Vietnam Realities
Donald L Ferry
>
>>Subject: Re: CIA Doubts re Vietnam
>>Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:06:09 -0600
>
>>Mr. McGehee, (snip) it been determined that we dropped napalm, agent orange
>>and all manner of ordinance on our allies in the south?
>
>RMC COMMENT: This is a misunderstanding -- we did not drop all that ordinance
>on our allies we dropped most of it on the opposition -- which seemed to be
>most everywhere in South Vietnam).
Yep! The old we destroyed it to save it!!!
Results can be found at:
Specifically:
http://www.hatfieldgroup.com/spotlight/vietnam.htm
>
>>When you say search and destroy ops, what the hell do you think we were
>>trying to do to the enemy, dance with them? (snip)
>
>RMC COMMENT: Please define "enemy" in my view you include millions of
>loyal South Vietnamese who just wanted to choose their own govt - not one
>imposed by a foreign power.
Really! In the Americal Training Division we were told we were there
to kilkl gooks. No specific ones = just killl gooks = And Oh yea to
rape Vietnamese Women = especially the pretty ones!@
>
>>These statements below sound like the ranting of an idiot who was never there.
>
>Poster's personal involvement snipped.
>
>RMC COMMENT: Is all of history irrational? McNamara said we got it wrong, the
>Bundy brothers said we could not win, as did any number of lower ranking
>officials, including myself. Also a number of academics and others say
>we got it wrong. I unfortunately had a unique CIA-sponsored opportunity to
>see in an undeniable fashion the mass-based structures of the Asian Communists
>-- observations buried/hidden by CIA. Yet please see my web page for the
>CIA's evaluation of my knowlege of Asian Communism.
See any independent Kurdish Page on the evulation of the Turkish
Government! See any independent East Timorese Web Page on the
Evaluation of the Indonesian Government! See any independent Western
Sahara Web Pagre on the evaluation of the Government of the Government
of Moracco. They be the same as yours!
>
>>As to how this (actually, not so tiny) country defeated us, (snip)
>>Of course you know it was political, not military, but the way that
>>you say it sounds like so much claptrap.
>
>RMC COMMENT: A very unsubstantiated and unsubstantial answer. The decision
>was political not military? -- a half million U.S. troops, a million South
>Vietnamese troops, the near alteration or destruction of our own society,
>the bombing that exceeeded anything in WWII. The napalming, defoliating,
>shelling and attacking, the CIA-sponsored Phoenix program and its 40,000
>assassinations. A war that lasted essentially from 1945 to 1975 -- at what
>point, if ever, does it become military not political?
And if we had won without a nuclear war, I would imagine we would have
had occupation troops there now; and a much different form of
Government in place in Washington today! Any fool can win a war.
Launch all Nuclear missles now! = I think we won! Hard to tell in
this mine shaft!
>
>>Good luck with your apparent paranoia, yours truly, (name deleted).
>
>COMMENT: Then a number of scholars and others share my "paranoia."
>I cannot fight the Vietnam War over and over again -- if you wish to see
>other essays of mine drawing upon academic as well as other sources, please
>do a search in dejanews.com a power search, in soc.history.war.vietnam
>If you wish to see a CIA evaluation of my career, pls see my web page.
>If you believe you know more than all these sources then there is nothing
>I can say that will change your mind. I existed in state of denial for years
>and months -- I can appreciate the sea change in attitude that anyone must
>make to accept my comments -- nevertheless I would ask for an open-minded,
>non-confrontational, measurement and assessment of the issues I have
>presented. I consider myself to be Vietnam veteran and earlier spoke
>at any number of conferences of vet groups. I certainly understand
>the personal agony involved in their re-evaluating their views of
>of the war.
>
>Ralph McGehee
>CIABASE
>http://www.members.tripod.com/CIABASE/index.html
>
I still want to know what the IVS was doing in Vietnam in the late
50's assassinating people and blamming it on the Communists. Anyone
who fails to anwser this I will consider a liar!
Edward
Donald L Ferry wrote in message <36640ee...@news.mindspring.com>...
>Ralph McGehee <rmcg...@igc.org> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>>Subject: Re: CIA Doubts re Vietnam
>>>Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:06:09 -0600
>>
>>>Mr. McGehee, (snip) it been determined that we dropped napalm, agent
orange
>>>and all manner of ordinance on our allies in the south?
>>
>>RMC COMMENT: This is a misunderstanding -- we did not drop all that
ordinance
>>on our allies we dropped most of it on the opposition -- which seemed to
be
>>most everywhere in South Vietnam).
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How could you tell a vc crop of rice from a SVN crop of rice? One could not
so we killeds all the rice we could find there forceing the NVA the carry
enough for him and the VC......or so it was hoped. IMOHO...I believe it only
make the SVN Present arngy at the USA.
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ameth...@my-dejanews.com
I visited your site and wish to thank you for the documents you present.
I was struck by your characterization of the kind of person CIA wants as a
case officer and my question derives from it: Given the kind of person you
say CIA selects, is it fair to say that people like this would be unlikely to
become the kind of rogue agents that Kennedy assassination authors frequently
claim was behind the murder of JFK?
For example, John Newman in, Oswald and the CIA, concludes that the
documentation avail rules out an "Institutional Plot" to kill JFK; and thus,
he, offers a theory in which rogue agents at a relatively low level become
aware of Oswald's file and thus involve him in a plot to assassinate JFK.
I'd love to hear any thoughts you may have on the questions I raise.
Thank you,
Jerry
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> Vietnam Realities
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> >Subject: Re: CIA Doubts re Vietnam
> >Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:06:09 -0600
>
> >Mr. McGehee, (snip) it been determined that we dropped napalm, agent orange
> >and all manner of ordinance on our allies in the south?
>
> RMC COMMENT: This is a misunderstanding -- we did not drop all that ordinance
> on our allies we dropped most of it on the opposition -- which seemed to be
> most everywhere in South Vietnam).
>
> >When you say search and destroy ops, what the hell do you think we were
> >trying to do to the enemy, dance with them? (snip)
>
> RMC COMMENT: Please define "enemy" in my view you include millions of
> loyal South Vietnamese who just wanted to choose their own govt - not one
> imposed by a foreign power.
>
> >These statements below sound like the ranting of an idiot who was never
there.
>
> Poster's personal involvement snipped.
>
> RMC COMMENT: Is all of history irrational? McNamara said we got it wrong, the
> Bundy brothers said we could not win, as did any number of lower ranking
> officials, including myself. Also a number of academics and others say
> we got it wrong. I unfortunately had a unique CIA-sponsored opportunity to
> see in an undeniable fashion the mass-based structures of the Asian
Communists
> -- observations buried/hidden by CIA. Yet please see my web page for the
> CIA's evaluation of my knowlege of Asian Communism.
>
> >As to how this (actually, not so tiny) country defeated us, (snip)
> >Of course you know it was political, not military, but the way that
> >you say it sounds like so much claptrap.
>
> RMC COMMENT: A very unsubstantiated and unsubstantial answer. The decision
> was political not military? -- a half million U.S. troops, a million South
> Vietnamese troops, the near alteration or destruction of our own society,
> the bombing that exceeeded anything in WWII. The napalming, defoliating,
> shelling and attacking, the CIA-sponsored Phoenix program and its 40,000
> assassinations. A war that lasted essentially from 1945 to 1975 -- at what
> point, if ever, does it become military not political?
>
> >Good luck with your apparent paranoia, yours truly, (name deleted).
>
> COMMENT: Then a number of scholars and others share my "paranoia."
> I cannot fight the Vietnam War over and over again -- if you wish to see
> other essays of mine drawing upon academic as well as other sources, please
> do a search in dejanews.com a power search, in soc.history.war.vietnam
> If you wish to see a CIA evaluation of my career, pls see my web page.
> If you believe you know more than all these sources then there is nothing
> I can say that will change your mind. I existed in state of denial for years
> and months -- I can appreciate the sea change in attitude that anyone must
> make to accept my comments -- nevertheless I would ask for an open-minded,
> non-confrontational, measurement and assessment of the issues I have
> presented. I consider myself to be Vietnam veteran and earlier spoke
> at any number of conferences of vet groups. I certainly understand
> the personal agony involved in their re-evaluating their views of
> of the war.
>
> Ralph McGehee
> CIABASE
> http://www.members.tripod.com/CIABASE/index.html
>
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> >> >
> >> >Why did we drop napalm, agent orange, and all manner of ordinace
> >> >on South Vietnam our supposed allies? Why did we kill millions
> >> >of Vietnamese if we were there to save the Vietnamese? Why
> >> >did we conduct search and destroy ops in S. Vietnam?
> >> >How did this tiny country defeat the world's strongest military
> >> >force?
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JFK -- even if the killer or killers (if other than Oswald) stood up
and claimed they did it - no one would believe it.
I cannot believe that any one group in the CIA would have conspired to
kill him -- of course any rouge or rogues of any organization or just an
individual may have done it -- again if not Oswald.
I have not studied much material on the assassination as I just feel
that there are many current, important and pressing issues that we should be
focusing on.
Ralph McGehee
http://www.members.tripod.com/CIABASE/index.html
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