George Lucas a disciple of Aleister Crowley?
Cavalorn
- Crowley was OHO of the Order of Oriental Templars (OTO) and Lucas'
original name for the Jedi Knights was the Jedi Templars.
- Crowley's secret name in the OTO was supposed to have been 'Phoenix'
and the symbol of the Rebel Alliance is a stylised phoenix.
- The windows in the Emperor's chambers at the climax of Return of the
Jedi spell 'OTO'.
- from the Book of the Law, dictated to Crowley: 'the obeah and the
wanga, the work of the wand and the work of the sword, these he shall
learn and teach.' Obeah = Obi. Wanga = Wan. Thus, Obi-Wan. And what
device is a wand one moment and a sword the next? A lightsaber, of
course; and the relevance of 'learn and teach' is obvious, since Obi-Wan
is the teacher.
- Vader's sabre is red, the colour of the sphere of Geburah, or
Severity: Obi-Wan's is blue, the colour of its opposing sphere, Chesed
or Mercy.
- Crowley makes references to 'the dwarf insane yet crafty' who is the
source of true Wisdom, obviously a reference to Yoda.
- The greatest ordeal in Crowley's A.'.A.'. system is the 'crossing of
the abyss'. One reaches the brink of a great gulf and must either
surrender everything one is and jump, or remain behind to become a
'black brother' or 'brother of the left hand path'. The 'crossing of the
abyss' is foreshadowed in A New Hope, at the point at which Luke and
Leia swing over the chasm, but is actually achieved in full in Empire
Strikes Back, at the climax of the film.
In the climax of Empire, Luke's right hand is severed at the wrist,
implying that he must take the left hand path and turn to the Dark Side,
i.e. become a 'black brother'. Faced with the choice of crossing the
Abyss or turning to the 'Left Hand Path', Luke chooses to jump, which is
the act that redeems him from a future of corruption.
- Luke is also the Horus figure, the avenger (as in Revenge of the Jedi,
the original title). In the climax of Empire, Vader (previously
identified with Set, the murderer of the father) is revealed to _be_ the
father, the dark Osiris - this being the same secret that was revealed
in the Egyptian Mysteries, namely that 'Osiris is a Black God!'
- The 'Black Brethren' are those who have 'shut themselves up', become
encased and closed off from the Universe, exactly as Vader is encased in
black armour. Their sphere on the Tree of Life is the false sphere
'da'ath', obviously the source for 'Darth'.
- Vader out of his armour proves to be a bald guy with an English
accent, uncannily reminiscent of Crowley.
Not convinced yet? Try this quote from one of Crowley's Holy Books, in
which a part of the Star Wars universe is mentioned BY NAME:
'... Thy messenger was more terrible than the Death-star.'
The messenger of the Emperor is of course Vader, who possesses (and
represents) a power far more terrible than the Death Star - the dark
side of the Force itself. As Vader himself reminds his fellow Imperials,
'The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of
the Force.'
You might recognise this scene, too...
'the chamber was corrupt; the air stank... He enveloped me with his
demon tentacles; yea, the eight fears took hold upon me.'
Garbage compactors, anyone? However, we all know what happened next:
'I slipped from the embrace as a stone from the sling of a boy of the
woodlands. I was smooth and hard as ivory; the horror gat no hold.'
Smooth and hard as ivory indeed, for Luke is wearing stormtrooper armour
in that scene.
Well, George? Been having a bit of the old do-what-thou-wilt, have we?
Cav
p.s. this is every bit as serious as Crowley's own qabalistic analysis
of nursery rhymes. ;)
--
Give me a woman who's taken her knocks,
Who's tasted both gutter and stars.
Give me a lady with holes in her socks.
Give me a princess with scars.
Ian Sturrock
<cava...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk> gibbers
>- The greatest ordeal in Crowley's A.'.A.'. system is the 'crossing of
>the abyss'. One reaches the brink of a great gulf and must either
>surrender everything one is and jump, or remain behind to become a
>'black brother' or 'brother of the left hand path'. The 'crossing of the
>abyss' is foreshadowed in A New Hope, at the point at which Luke and
>Leia swing over the chasm, but is actually achieved in full in Empire
>Strikes Back, at the climax of the film.
We just watched that bit this morning...
Kyle has become almost as obsessed with Star Wars as with Slaine, and I
was wearing my Darth T-shirt today. He just kept pointing at the SW logo
and shouting "More", which is why we ended up with Empire (SW
yesterday).
>Well, George? Been having a bit of the old do-what-thou-wilt, have we?
Ah, well, y'see, it's obviously just another proof of the validity of
Thelema -- if even Star Wars unconsciously draws on Thelemic themes,
both must be true. Round dispute, anyone?
--
"A cucumber should be well sliced, and dressed with pepper and vinegar, and then
thrown out, as good for nothing." Samuel Johnson
Atalanta Pendragonne
<cava...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Thelemic references in the Star Wars trilogy:
This is the second-best thing I've read all day.
>- Luke is also the Horus figure, the avenger (as in Revenge of the Jedi,
>the original title). In the climax of Empire, Vader (previously
>identified with Set, the murderer of the father) is revealed to _be_ the
>father, the dark Osiris - this being the same secret that was revealed
>in the Egyptian Mysteries, namely that 'Osiris is a Black God!'
OK, I'm having a Chasing Amy moment here.
>'I slipped from the embrace as a stone from the sling of a boy of the
>woodlands. I was smooth and hard as ivory; the horror gat no hold.'
>
From what I've read of Crowley, being smooth and hard as ivory wasn't
exactly an anomalous state for him.
>Well, George? Been having a bit of the old do-what-thou-wilt, have we?
>
Hmph. If PHANTOM MENACE is anything to go by, he's started hitting the
Silver RavenWolf.
The Raphrat
>
> Thelemic references in the Star Wars trilogy:
CAV YOU ARE A GODDAMNED FREAK.
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The Raphrat
> The Raphrat <rap...@azstarnet.com> wrote:
> :Cavalorn wrote:
>
> :> Thelemic references in the Star Wars trilogy:
>
> :CAV YOU ARE A GODDAMNED FREAK.
>
eh. he guilted me into reading ag again.
as i see it, he owes me one.
> alt.magick and alt.pagan and alt.religion.wicca *need* this post.
it could be argued that they
need a whole lot more...
- Thee Raphrat Ov Mexicko
The Steel Wolf
<cava...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk> scripsit:
>Thelemic references in the Star Wars trilogy:
>- Crowley was OHO of the Order of Oriental Templars (OTO) and Lucas'
>original name for the Jedi Knights was the Jedi Templars.
Um, no. The OTO is not the Order of Oriental Templars, it is the Ordo
Templi Orientis--the Order of the *Eastern Temple*. AFAIK, they have
absolutely nothing to do with the Templars.
>- Vader out of his armour proves to be a bald guy with an English
>accent, uncannily reminiscent of Crowley.
Funny, but true.
>p.s. this is every bit as serious as Crowley's own qabalistic
>analysis of nursery rhymes. ;)
I guess that's what happens when a magician gets a little too much
time on his hands...
Atalanta Pendragonne
Wolf) wrote:
>>p.s. this is every bit as serious as Crowley's own qabalistic
>>analysis of nursery rhymes. ;)
>
>I guess that's what happens when a magician gets a little too much
>time on his hands...
And a little too much heroin in his bloodstream...
Cavalorn
<stee...@mmcable.com> writes
>Um, no.
Um, most fucking assuredly.
>The OTO is not the Order of Oriental Templars,
>it is the Ordo
>Templi Orientis--the Order of the *Eastern Temple*. AFAIK, they have
>absolutely nothing to do with the Templars.
Let's have a look at the Crowley constitution, shall we? Very first
line. (Good place to start.)
'ANCIENT ORDER OF ORIENTAL TEMPLARS'
Well, shit.
As for the order itself having nothing to do with the Templars: even the
very first of the initiation rituals deals with a traveller in the
desert who bumps into Saladin. There's even more in the later degrees,
particularly Sixth. The order claims descent from the Knights Templar.
The whole thing is a fucking Templarfest.
If you want to read up on the issue, which really would be a good idea
if you intend to participate in further discussion, I recommend 'OTO
Rituals and Sex Magic', IHO Publications.
>I guess that's what happens when a magician gets a little too much
>time on his hands...
Actually, it's what happens when someone gets so pissed off with dolts
trying to claim things like this:
http://www.the-cauldron.fsnet.co.uk/OLD_GEORGE_PICKINGILL.htm
that he decides to see if he can't find evidence of something even more
outlandish.
Crowley drawing from the rituals of an old village witch, indeed.
Cav
(currently writing a book on Crowley and the OTO)
Ian Sturrock
>anno Domini Thu, 4 Apr 2002 22:19:53 +0100, Cavalorn
><cava...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk> scripsit:
>
>>Thelemic references in the Star Wars trilogy:
>
>>- Crowley was OHO of the Order of Oriental Templars (OTO) and Lucas'
>>original name for the Jedi Knights was the Jedi Templars.
>
>Um, no. The OTO is not the Order of Oriental Templars, it is the Ordo
>Templi Orientis--the Order of the *Eastern Temple*.
Also known as the Order of Oriental Templars, as Cav pointed out.
>AFAIK, they have
>absolutely nothing to do with the Templars.
Then you don't K very much. :)
It has *everything* to do with the occult tradition of the Templars (1),
even down to some of its initiation rituals being derived from some of
the propaganda against the historical Templars. I don't have my copy of
Equinox III:10 to hand ATM, but I'm sure that once one gets to a certain
OTO degree one gets some Templar-oriented magical title.
Still not quite so good as 8th degree (?) who ends up being an Epopt of
the Illuminati IIRC.
Ian
(1) I.e. that some of the Knights Templar fled the persecution to
Scotland where they founded what later became the Rosicrucians,
Freemasons and Illuminati. It's a nice story.
Cam
<cava...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Thelemic references in the Star Wars trilogy:
GENIUS!
Misguided, misplaced and disturbing, yes... but GENIUS!
Cam
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The Steel Wolf
<cava...@newaeonbooks.demon.co.uk> scripsit:
>In article <3cbc2709...@news-server.mmcable.com>, The Steel Wolf
><stee...@mmcable.com> writes
>>The OTO is not the Order of Oriental Templars,
>>it is the Ordo Templi Orientis--the Order of the *Eastern Temple*.
>Let's have a look at the Crowley constitution, shall we? Very first
>line. (Good place to start.)
>
>'ANCIENT ORDER OF ORIENTAL TEMPLARS'
Well, fuck me up the ass with a bargepole. I stand corrected.
>(currently writing a book on Crowley and the OTO)
Interesting--what are you writing about with regard to them?
The Steel Wolf
<shubni...@goatweb.com> scripsit:
>In article <3cbc2709...@news-server.mmcable.com>, The Steel Wolf
><stee...@mmcable.com> gibbers
>>AFAIK, they have absolutely nothing to do with the Templars.
>Then you don't K very much. :)
Indeed! What I know of Crowley is mostly second-hand, if that. I've
never really been drawn to (what I know of) him or his work--I'm a
G.D. man myself. Obviously, I should stick to what I actually know in
the future instead of flapping my gums based on hearsay. Consider it
a valuable lesson learned :)
Paul Hume
>
> >The OTO is not the Order of Oriental Templars,
> >it is the Ordo
> >Templi Orientis--the Order of the *Eastern Temple*. AFAIK, they have
> >absolutely nothing to do with the Templars.
>
> Let's have a look at the Crowley constitution, shall we? Very first
> line. (Good place to start.)
>
> 'ANCIENT ORDER OF ORIENTAL TEMPLARS'
Dear Cav -
93.
Forgive me if I missed anything in the thread that already disposes of
these points, and thus am being mindlessly repetitive.
No question AC used the Order of Oriental Templars nomenclature, and
he carried that on faithfully from Reuss (and Kellner, I think?), but
the reason for the argument is that Ordo Templi Orientis absolutely
doesn't translate as Order of Oriental Templars or even Order of
Templars of the Orient, etc.
Templum is temple, templi the genitive, "of the temple." We'd have to
chase up something discussing the Templars in Latin - presumbly either
from Bernard or the Indictment - to see how the Order was referred to
in Church Latin. Gods know, there was enough dog latin being used at
that point that Templum might have been used for Templar, but I have
to doubt it.
OTO mythos certainly refers to the Templars a good deal, though as has
been pointed out, a lot of the post-Levi neo-romantic symbolism
attached to the Templars which Kellner, Reuss, and Crowley adopted
seems to assume that the charges of Phillip The Fair were accurate,
but misunderstood the mystical aspects of the Knight's rituals and
symbols. This may be kind of like surfing through the Malleus
Malleficarum looking for stuff to associate into modern Wicca for its
"coolness" factor (g).
I've always assumed that any original Templar who got a good look at
us would draw steel and turn us into hamburger, with a "Beausaint pour
le Temple" on his lips (g).
Love,
Paul
Cavalorn
<paul...@lan2wan.com> writes
>Forgive me if I missed anything in the thread that already disposes of
>these points, and thus am being mindlessly repetitive.
Hello again, Paul, and no, you're not.
>No question AC used the Order of Oriental Templars nomenclature, and
>he carried that on faithfully from Reuss (and Kellner, I think?), but
>the reason for the argument is that Ordo Templi Orientis absolutely
>doesn't translate as Order of Oriental Templars or even Order of
>Templars of the Orient, etc.
Oh, if you're going to raise the issue of the _literal_ translation...
;) My point was that Steel Wolf (to whom no disrespect) didn't appear to
be aware of anything regarding OTO other than the literal translation of
the name.
>OTO mythos certainly refers to the Templars a good deal, though as has
>been pointed out, a lot of the post-Levi neo-romantic symbolism
>attached to the Templars which Kellner, Reuss, and Crowley adopted
>seems to assume that the charges of Phillip The Fair were accurate,
>but misunderstood the mystical aspects of the Knight's rituals and
>symbols. This may be kind of like surfing through the Malleus
>Malleficarum looking for stuff to associate into modern Wicca for its
>"coolness" factor (g).
Good heavens. Next you'll be asserting that some of the Gnostic Saints
weren't all that Gnostic or saintly. ;)
Cav