Bush's Orwellian Address
Karl Kleinpaste
Today, on CNN, at 12:44 EDT, during an interview with Biden, he spoke
the sentence, "Wiretapping is not an invasion of privacy."
Just for the record.
Professor Vonroach
># Published on Saturday, September 22, 2001
># by Jacob Levich
>#
># Jacob Levich is an writer, editor, and
># activist living in Queens, New York.
`Published' in a trivial handful of news groups. Jacob Levich is a
propangandist and liar - nothing more. He is obviously anti-American,
which suggests he is very unsuccessful as a writer. He has adopted a
pro-terrorist stance in his present `writing' to get a little notice.
Cyberpunk has similar motivations.
Professor Vonroach
He did? Santa Clause said that? Or was it the tooth fairy? Actually
wiretapping is a commonly used law enforcement tool. Doesn't even
require permission of a judge unless the recording is for use as
evidence. An employer can use one to investigate employees, a married
person to investigate their spouse, one country to spy on another,
etc... Biden's committee meetings are famous for their admission of
hear-say into `evidence' - but then he openly admits that he did not
excel in his law studies. Biden himself once `tapped on' to the words
of Paddy Ashdown, a british politician, when running for office - and
was called for this plagiarism in the press leading to his withdrawal
from the race (where he had no support) - so he is probably
hypersensitive on the issue. Being a rather dumb law student he also
quickly latched on the phony `right to privacy' theory, that the
brilliant lawyers who drafted the Constitution and Bill of Rights did
not see fit to include in their documents. I guess it pleases Biden
because it condones elective murder by any mother who so chooses on
some loony theory that it is her `private' decision, excluding her
spouse or others interested in the rights of the unborn child.
Some lawyers like Biden enjoy making up law as they skip along
smelling the flowers.
Sean
news:3bb75ac0...@NNTP.ix.netcom.com...
Absolutely correct. Levich is a fool and a gadfly, to be ignored and
laughed at by all.
Rosemary Basha
<cyp...@punk.net> wrote in message news:9ol77q$arv$1...@pita.alt.net...http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0922-07.htm
#
# Published on Saturday, September 22, 2001
#
# Bush's Orwellian Address
# Happy New Year: It's 1984
#
# by Jacob Levich
#
# Seventeen years later than expected, 1984 has arrived.
#
# In his address to Congress Thursday, George Bush effectively
# declared permanent war -- war without temporal or geographic
# limits; war without clear goals; war against a vaguely defined
# and constantly shifting enemy.
#
# Today it's Al-Qaida; tomorrow it may be Afghanistan; next year,
# it could be Iraq or Cuba or Chechnya. No one who was forced to
# read 1984 in high school could fail to hear a faint bell tinkling.
#
# In George Orwell's dreary classic, the totalitarian state of
# Oceania is perpetually at war with either Eurasia or Eastasia.
# Although the enemy changes periodically, the war is permanent;
# its true purpose is to control dissent and sustain dictatorship
# by nurturing popular fear and hatred.
#
# The permanent war undergirds every aspect of Big Brother's
# authoritarian program, excusing censorship, propaganda, secret
# police, and privation. In other words, it's terribly convenient.
# And conveniently terrible.
#
# Bush's alarming speech pointed to a shadowy enemy that lurks
# in more 60 countries, including the US. He announced a policy
# of using maximum force against any individuals or nations he
# designates as our enemies, without color of international law,
# due process, or democratic debate. He explicitly warned that
# much of the war will be conducted in secret. He rejected
# negotiation as a tool of diplomacy. He announced starkly that
# any country that doesn't knuckle under to US demands will be
# regarded as an enemy. He heralded the creation of a powerful
# new cabinet-level police agency called the "Office of Homeland
# Security."
#
# Orwell couldn't have named it better.
#
# By turns folksy ("Ya know what?") and chillingly bellicose
# ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists"), Bush
# stepped comfortably into the role of Big Brother, who needs to
# be loved as well as feared.
#
# Meanwhile, his administration acted swiftly to realize the
# governing principles of Oceania: WAR IS PEACE.
#
# A reckless war that will likely bring about a deadly cycle of
# retaliation is being sold to us as the means to guarantee our
# safety. Meanwhile, we've been instructed to accept the permanent
# war as a fact of daily life.
#
# As the inevitable slaughter of innocents unfolds overseas, we
# are to "live our lives and hug our children." FREEDOM IS SLAVERY.
# "Freedom itself is under attack," Bush said, and he's right.
# Americans are about to lose many of their most cherished liberties
# in a frenzy of paranoid legislation.
#
# The government proposes to tap our phones, read our email and
# seize our credit card records without court order. It seeks
# authority to detain and deport immigrants without cause or trial.
# It proposes to use foreign agents to spy on American citizens.
#
# To save freedom, the warmongers intend to destroy it.
#
# IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.
#
# America's "new war" against terrorism will be fought with
# unprecedented secrecy, including heavy press restrictions not
# seen for years, the Pentagon has advised. Meanwhile, the sorry
# history of American imperialism -- collaboration with terrorists,
# bloody proxy wars against civilians, forcible replacement of
# democratic governments with corrupt dictatorships -- is strictly
# off-limits to mainstream media.
#
# Lest it weaken our resolve, we are not to be allowed to understand
# the reasons underlying the horrifying crimes of September 11.
#
# The defining speech of Bush's presidency points toward an
# Orwellian future of endless war, expedient lies, and ubiquitous
# social control. But unlike 1984's doomed protagonist, we've still
# got plenty of space to maneuver and plenty of ways to resist.
#
# It's time to speak and to act. It falls on us now to take to
# the streets, bearing a clear message for the warmongers: We don't
# love Big Brother.
#
# Jacob Levich (jle...@earthlink.net) is an writer, editor, and
George D. Phillies
> >Today, on CNN, at 12:44 EDT, during an interview with Biden, he spoke
> >the sentence, "Wiretapping is not an invasion of privacy."
> >Just for the record.
> He did? Santa Clause said that? Or was it the tooth fairy? Actually
> wiretapping is a commonly used law enforcement tool. Doesn't even
> require permission of a judge unless the recording is for use as
> evidence. An employer can use one to investigate employees, a married
> person to investigate their spouse, one country to spy on another,
> etc...
Actually, it is a crime, at least in Massachusetts, to record a
conversation without the knowledge and permission of all parties.
And it is certainly an invasion of privacy.
> quickly latched on the phony `right to privacy' theory, that the
> brilliant lawyers who drafted the Constitution and Bill of Rights did
> not see fit to include in their documents.
Apparently you have some problem with the 9th and 10th amendments.
I guess it pleases Biden
> because it condones elective murder by any mother who so chooses on
> some loony theory that it is her `private' decision, excluding her
> spouse or others interested in the rights of the unborn child.
There are many fine countries around the world that are run by people who
believe abortion should be a crime. Afghanistan comes to mind.
Fortunately, the USA is not one of them.
George
Sean
"Rosemary Basha" <rbas...@home.com> wrote in message
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This is a well written thoughtprovoking article even if it is exaggerated.
Please don't post in HTML -- thanks.
Lee
# it could be Iraq or Cuba or Chechnya. "
places???
Sean
>
> Would a conversation in the back of the bus be a
> place where you thought you had an expectation
> of privacy?
Would an idiot such as yourself who posts irrelevant and plainly
fabricated posts be considered sane for purposes of discussion?
George D. Phillies
> # Actually, it is a crime, at least in Massachusetts, to record a
> # conversation without the knowledge and permission of all parties.
> # And it is certainly an invasion of privacy.
> Would a conversation in the back of the bus be a
> place where you thought you had an expectation
> of privacy?
We are now at the point where you would need to consult an attorney. This
would not be legal in Massachusetts, but your state may be less well off.
George
George D. Phillies
Sean's claims to the contrary are untrue.
One might ask what Sean -- who hides his address -- is hiding for.
Those of you who know a little history will recall that in WOrld War I the
government recruited people to write letters to the editor -- the
equivalent of net news groups -- to leave the impression of vast public
support for a war that was not that popular.
George Phillies
Professor Vonroach
<phil...@wpi.edu> wrote:
Georgie attempts a rewrite of Constitution along Massachusetts
democrat lines.
Professor Vonroach
># Actually, it is a crime, at least in Massachusetts, to record a
># conversation without the knowledge and permission of all parties.
>#
># And it is certainly an invasion of privacy.
This might explain the origin of terrorist flights from Boston
Massachusetts. I wonder how many in NYC would back Massachusetts
`privacy rights' to plan and carry out terrorism.
Professor Vonroach
Pot - Kettle
Sean
Dick - Head
Professor Vonroach
<phil...@wpi.edu> wrote:
>We are now at the point where you would need to consult an attorney. This
>would not be legal in Massachusetts, but your state may be less well off.
>
>George
You have a biased and erroneous opinion of `well-being' in
Massachusetts; it also is probably wrong in the case of Maryland. Can
you tell me how many people have been charged with the crime of
wire-tapping in the State of Massachusetts?
George D. Phillies
and where I am politically, is probably too busy ROTFL to respond.
I ran for Congress in 1998. My opponent was a Democrat. Try again.
George
Gary
Professor Vonroach wrote in message
<3bb85c7c...@NNTP.ix.netcom.com>...
>On Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:33:26 -0400, Karl Kleinpaste
><ka...@charcoal.com> wrote:
>
>>In a related vein...
>>
>>Today, on CNN, at 12:44 EDT, during an interview with Biden,
he spoke
>>the sentence, "Wiretapping is not an invasion of privacy."
>>
>>Just for the record.
>He did? Santa Clause said that? Or was it the tooth fairy?
Actually
>wiretapping is a commonly used law enforcement tool. Doesn't
even
>require permission of a judge unless the recording is for use
as
>evidence. An employer can use one to investigate employees, a
married
>person to investigate their spouse, one country to spy on
another,
>etc...
You're full of shit.
Fortunately, you're also in another universe.
Gary
George D. Phillies wrote in message ...
>The post from me was not fabricated, it was legitimate.
>Sean's claims to the contrary are untrue.
>
>One might ask what Sean -- who hides his address -- is hiding
for.
>Those of you who know a little history will recall that in
WOrld War I the
>government recruited people to write letters to the editor --
the
>equivalent of net news groups -- to leave the impression of
vast public
>support for a war that was not that popular.
Methinks they better increase the wages.