"Alternative" is Lame with a capital 'L'!!
Paul Wilbur
> Does anyone else find it hilarious how "alternative" bands have managed to
> convince themselves and their fans that they are at the forefront of some sort
> of "music revoltion"!? Come on! "Alternative" is just by-the-numbers
> corporate rock with a new trick: Intentionally under-produce the songs so
> people will think it has an 'edge' to it. And, just in case people forget
> about the aforementioned 'edge', remind them by calling *every* radio station
> on the planet that plays this stuff The Edge ;) ! It will be interesting see
Their was a time when "alternative" meant something. To draw attention to
it know is basically setting up a strawman to tear down. Nobody with a
brain would argue today's "alternative" is "cutting-edge" except someone
trying to sell you something. Nirvana can take credit in having KILLED
hair bands and basically rearranged music that we hear on the radio. For
better or worse.
> what happens to "alternative" when people finally catch up with this ploy, but
> till then I'll just sit back and laugh at their gullibility (ROTFLMAO) :) !!!
They don't care about music and laughing at them would be a waste of time.
In 5 years they will be listening to whatever else is on the radio and not
give it a second thought.
>
> There, now that I've got that out of my system, one quick question. Is
> Revelation 3 really a separate band, or are they just Green Day on a bad hair
> day?? The two seem like one and the same to me ;) . And what's the deal
> with '3', do they really think that if they follow Matchbox 20's naming
> conventions that they'll sell as many albums as them ;) ?? OK, that's *two*
> questions, but who's counting. Heck, I probably really should ask a third to
> match that '3' in their name, but I can't be bothered.
Oddly enough, I have no idea what band you are talking about, but I am
sure they thank you for the press.
Paul
demsa
convince themselves and their fans that they are at the forefront of some sort
of "music revoltion"!? Come on! "Alternative" is just by-the-numbers
corporate rock with a new trick: Intentionally under-produce the songs so
people will think it has an 'edge' to it. And, just in case people forget
about the aforementioned 'edge', remind them by calling *every* radio station
on the planet that plays this stuff The Edge ;) ! It will be interesting see
till then I'll just sit back and laugh at their gullibility (ROTFLMAO) :) !!!
There, now that I've got that out of my system, one quick question. Is
Revelation 3 really a separate band, or are they just Green Day on a bad hair
day?? The two seem like one and the same to me ;) . And what's the deal
with '3', do they really think that if they follow Matchbox 20's naming
conventions that they'll sell as many albums as them ;) ?? OK, that's *two*
questions, but who's counting. Heck, I probably really should ask a third to
match that '3' in their name, but I can't be bothered.
Well, that's enough ranting for one day...
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Maria Pupo
Demsa I certainly like alterative
demsa wrote in message <7c215c$9p0$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
noxvomica
well alternative sucks because its not an alternative, its mainstream.
Wheres the jimi Hendrix of the 90s?
On 9 Mar 1999 05:56:55 GMT, "Maria Pupo" <mpup...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
ryan chittum
demsa wrote:
> Does anyone else find it hilarious how "alternative" bands have managed to
> convince themselves and their fans that they are at the forefront of some sort
> of "music revoltion"!? Come on! "Alternative" is just by-the-numbers
> corporate rock with a new trick: Intentionally under-produce the songs so
> people will think it has an 'edge' to it. And, just in case people forget
> about the aforementioned 'edge', remind them by calling *every* radio station
> on the planet that plays this stuff The Edge ;) ! It will be interesting see
> what happens to "alternative" when people finally catch up with this ploy, but
> till then I'll just sit back and laugh at their gullibility (ROTFLMAO) :) !!!
>
> There, now that I've got that out of my system, one quick question. Is
> Revelation 3 really a separate band, or are they just Green Day on a bad hair
> day?? The two seem like one and the same to me ;) . And what's the deal
> with '3', do they really think that if they follow Matchbox 20's naming
> conventions that they'll sell as many albums as them ;) ?? OK, that's *two*
> questions, but who's counting. Heck, I probably really should ask a third to
> match that '3' in their name, but I can't be bothered.
>
> Well, that's enough ranting for one day...
>
> -Demsa
>
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Paul Wilbur
>
> well alternative sucks because its not an alternative, its mainstream.
>
>
> Wheres the jimi Hendrix of the 90s?
Jimi's dead, and so are the days of building artists to "classic rock"
status. Marilyn Manson, Bush, Korn, etc. will all be what 80's artists
(Wham, Wang Chung, Howard Jones, etc.) are now. Nostaligia. It's hard for
a band to keep a person's interest up for over 3 albums anymore and the
fact is that a lot of "artists" just aren't talented enough to become
another Jimi Hendrix, Rolling Stones, Queen, etc.
Paul
> > > On 9 Mar 1999 05:56:55 GMT, "Maria Pupo" <mpup...@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Some Of Us Like Alternative music
> >Demsa I certainly like alterative
> >demsa wrote in message <7c215c$9p0$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
J. Mcglinchey
> Does anyone else find it hilarious how "alternative" bands have managed to
> convince themselves and their fans that they are at the forefront of some sort
> of "music revoltion"!? Come on! "Alternative" is just by-the-numbers
> corporate rock with a new trick: Intentionally under-produce the songs so
C'mon man it's SWINGPUNK!!! SWINGPUNK, I tell ya!!! It's the REAL
THING, brash and energetic!!!
> Well, that's enough ranting for one day...
It certainly is.
Joe M.
U of Washington
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~joemcg
Dierussian
>
> Does anyone else find it hilarious how "alternative" bands have managed to
> convince themselves and their fans that they are at the forefront of some sort
> of "music revoltion"!? Come on! "Alternative" is just by-the-numbers
> corporate rock with a new trick: Intentionally under-produce the songs so
> about the aforementioned 'edge', remind them by calling *every* radio station
> on the planet that plays this stuff The Edge ;) ! It will be interesting see
> what happens to "alternative" when people finally catch up with this ploy, but
> till then I'll just sit back and laugh at their gullibility (ROTFLMAO) :) !!!
>
> There, now that I've got that out of my system, one quick question. Is
> Revelation 3 really a separate band, or are they just Green Day on a bad hair
> day?? The two seem like one and the same to me ;) . And what's the deal
> with '3', do they really think that if they follow Matchbox 20's naming
> conventions that they'll sell as many albums as them ;) ?? OK, that's *two*
> questions, but who's counting. Heck, I probably really should ask a third to
> match that '3' in their name, but I can't be bothered.
>
>
>
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I agree with most of this. But why did you choose to note only the worst
bands of the lot? Most "alternative" sucks. Especially today's. oh well.
--
Hrmm....sounds like the handiwork of Doctor Claw
and his evil M.A.D.D. henchmen.
This post will self-destruct.
Loki
<snip>
>
>There, now that I've got that out of my system, one quick question. Is
>Revelation 3 really a separate band, or are they just Green Day on a bad hair
>day?? The two seem like one and the same to me ;) . And what's the deal
>with '3', do they really think that if they follow Matchbox 20's naming
>conventions that they'll sell as many albums as them ;) ?? OK, that's *two*
>questions, but who's counting. Heck, I probably really should ask a third to
>match that '3' in their name, but I can't be bothered.
Maybe it's a reference to Revelations chapter 3.
>Well, that's enough ranting for one day...
>
>
>-Demsa
--
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JackieBlue
> Wheres the jimi Hendrix of the 90s?
Well, assuming yr asking where the Inventive And Spontaneous Guitar Player for
the 90s is...
Ira from Yo La Tengo - some of the things he does to a guitar should be
illegal. Listen to "Blue Line Swinger", "Flying Lesson", and "Pablo and
Andrea" for proof.
Or any of the guitar players in Mogwai, Olivia Tremor Control, Godspeed You
Black Emperor!, or Spiritualized.
---
Rev. Jack Godsey.
http://members.tripod.com/~spill/index.html
mi...@my-dejanews.com
but
> > till then I'll just sit back and laugh at their gullibility (ROTFLMAO) :)
!!!
>
> In 5 years they will be listening to whatever else is on the radio and not
> give it a second thought.
>
Yep, I know a lot of people who used to listen to glam when it was popular
and now they listen to alter<cough>mainstream<cough>native. They think glam
is a joke now and the same thing will happen to alternative when the next
thing comes along.
-mike
Ned Raggett
>
> Does anyone else find it hilarious how "alternative" bands have managed to
> convince themselves and their fans that they are at the forefront of some sort
> of "music revoltion"!? Come on!
Interesting. I remember people saying the exact same thing with almost
the exact same wording back in 1992 and 1993, so, like alternative
as a mass marketing concept, you yourself have become obvious,
repetitive and distinctly not on the cutting edge. Feel proud.
Ned
ned feeling a rush of nostalgia for early Lollapaloozas at kuci.org
JackieBlue
> Yep, I know a lot of people who used to listen to glam when it was popular
> and now they listen to alter<cough>mainstream<cough>native.
Yes, but what's the use of pointing yr finger at "alternative" music and
saying "nanny nanny boo boo, yr icky poo mainstream now!"? Good music is
good music, and bad music is bad music, and that's about as simple as it
gets. Sure, most of what's on the radio is bad... it always has been and
always will be. Who cares. Sure, what's on the radio is called one thing
when it really isn't... this happened with "metal" in the late 80s, didn't
it? I mean, Poison weren't a "metal" band in any real sense of the word.
But again... so what?
Ya know what I find funny? Not that people call some stuff on the radio
"alternative" when it's "mainstream". I find it funny that anyone actually
cares. Let alone bothers to devote a long rant on Usenet about it. It's not
like the big yucky Corporations are going to do anything to stop good music
being made.
And anyway, I've yet to actually meet someone that said "I'm cutting edge and
alternative because I listen to Matchbox 20."
---
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I am a can of worms. Thank you for opening me.
CAN
Mark Bartlam
<Jacki...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>noxvomica wrote:
>
>> Wheres the jimi Hendrix of the 90s?
>
>Well, assuming yr asking where the Inventive And Spontaneous Guitar Player for
>the 90s is...
Why are you assuming the Jimi Hendrix of the '90s would play a guitar?
Personally, I'm more interested in what kids are doing with samplers
and sequencers: _those_ are the people making inventive (and sometimes
spontaneous) music.
>Ira from Yo La Tengo - some of the things he does to a guitar should be
>illegal. Listen to "Blue Line Swinger", "Flying Lesson", and "Pablo and
>Andrea" for proof.
>
>Or any of the guitar players in Mogwai, Olivia Tremor Control, Godspeed You
>Black Emperor!, or Spiritualized.
They're all simple and emotive guitarists in their own way, sure, but
I wouldn't say they're great innovative or technical guitar players.
--Mark
demsa
Ned Raggett <nedSP...@kuci.org> wrote:
> demsa wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone else find it hilarious how "alternative" bands have managed to
> > convince themselves and their fans that they are at the forefront of some
sort
> > of "music revoltion"!? Come on!
>
> Interesting. I remember people saying the exact same thing with almost
> the exact same wording back in 1992 and 1993, so, like alternative
> as a mass marketing concept, you yourself have become obvious,
> repetitive and distinctly not on the cutting edge. Feel proud.
Hey, I _never_ claimed to be cutting edge! Not all of us feel the need to be
pretentious, yah know ;) . I was simply stating what was on my mind. That
lots of other people feel the same why, and have said so using similar
wording, doesn't bother me in the least.
Me thinks you need to loosen up a bit. ;)
-Demsa
demsa
"Maria Pupo" <mpup...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Some Of Us Like Alternative music
> Demsa I certainly like alterative
> demsa wrote in message <7c215c$9p0$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
Well, all the power to yah then! There's nothing wrong with *liking*
"alternative" music. Heck, I like a good amount of it myself :) ! What IS
wrong is when people think that they are biggest bad-asses on the planet
merely because they were "enlightened" by Nirvana. Especially considering
that 80% of these oh-so-intelligent people still have a "cheesy" Cinderella
tape hidden in the back of there closets ;) . And the other 20% would too if
it weren't for the fact that they were 4 years old when "Nobody's Fool" was a
big hit.
Oops, my coffee break's over! Gotta go!! :)
demsa
sham...@erols.com wrote:
> I agree with most of this. But why did you choose to note only the worst
> bands of the lot?
Point well taken. I apologize for not mentioning the late, great Soundgarden
(by far the best mainstream hard rock band of this decade) and Pearl Jam
(Eddie's whining is annoying, but one has to admire the man's sincerity). And
though I dislike Nirvana for the most part, I must acknowledge that "Smells
Like Teen Spirit" was a kick-ass song!
However, in my original post I wasn't referring to those bands (though they
were also a bit on the pretentious side), but to the lame imitations of them
who are clogging the airwaves today. You know, the ones who seem to think
that they are the second coming of the Beatles when actually they are just
the second coming of Wham. My apologies for not making that clear.
Devonian Marxist
<36e5666f...@news.ox.ac.uk>...
He turns up everywhere. Grr...
Rob
Mark Bartlam
>Does anyone else find it hilarious how "alternative" bands have managed to
>convince themselves and their fans that they are at the forefront of some sort
>of "music revoltion"!?
If that's how you feel, you can do one of two things:
(a) swallow it wholesale,
or
(b) quit whining and discover some real alternative music.
You can't expect to sit back and have alternative (i.e. non-corporate)
music delivered to you by MTV, Spin magazine, The Edge or whatever. It
doesn't work like that because MTV, Spin et al are dictated to by the
record company pluggers/publicists and their huge promotional budgets.
You want alternative music? Go out and find it for yourself by getting
out there and talking to people, going to clubs, seeing live bands or
reading fanzines. Part of the appeal of "alternative" music is the
feeling you get from hearing a new, undiscovered band. I can assure
you that you don't get that feeling from watching a band on MTV along
with several other million people.
--Mark
Mark Bartlam
<r...@mitchell-83.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
(a) "He" has a name
and
(b) "He" has been posting on alt.music.alternative on a semi-regular
basis for a couple of years.
What's your excuse?
--Mark
Nicole
demsa wrote:
>
> In article <36E54A...@kuci.org>,
> Ned Raggett <nedSP...@kuci.org> wrote:
> > demsa wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone else find it hilarious how "alternative" bands have managed to
> > > convince themselves and their fans that they are at the forefront of some
> sort
> > > of "music revoltion"!? Come on!
> >
> > Interesting. I remember people saying the exact same thing with almost
> > the exact same wording back in 1992 and 1993, so, like alternative
> > as a mass marketing concept, you yourself have become obvious,
> > repetitive and distinctly not on the cutting edge. Feel proud.
>
> Hey, I _never_ claimed to be cutting edge! Not all of us feel the need to be
> pretentious, yah know ;) . I was simply stating what was on my mind.
That may be so, but I've seen the same thing said *at least* a thousand
times....it gets really boring really fast.
Ned Raggett
>
> > Hey, I _never_ claimed to be cutting edge! Not all of us feel the need to be
> > pretentious, yah know ;) . I was simply stating what was on my mind.
>
> That may be so, but I've seen the same thing said *at least* a thousand
> times....it gets really boring really fast.
Quite. If you're going to complain, Demsa, why not stand out from
the 'alternative sucks' crowd some? Or else it's one boring
stance attacking another, not unlike mass politics in the US.
Ned
ned amused that Demsa is actually taking all this seriously at kuci.org
Tom Ewing
>And anyway, I've yet to actually meet someone that said "I'm cutting edge and
>alternative because I listen to Matchbox 20."
This is a pretty excellent point. Where are all these people who think
M20 and the legions of bubblegrunge/ska-punk bands represent the
cutting edge? They don't post because they don't exist: all the M20
fans are, are pop fans buying the music they like, just like the rest
of us.
Cheers,
Tom.
Maciej
They were just given the standard Geffen Records treatment: moderately
successful band with somewhat talented frontman gets a huge marketing
budget, a big name producer for their Geffen debut, the coolest videos seen
on MTV at the time and a serious style overhaul and bingo! the rock
sensation of the year. See also: Guns N Roses, Whitesnake. Nirvana are no
different, just a Geffen product aimed at the charts.
/maciej
PS I never said I don't like those band's music.. but I can see why they
sold millions and millions of records..
Paul Wilbur wrote in message ...
Ned Raggett
>
> ...Especially considering
> that 80% of these oh-so-intelligent people still have a "cheesy" Cinderella
> tape hidden in the back of there closets ;) .
I dunno, a lot of us who were or weren't 'enlightened by Nirvana'
on a.m.a. have happily discussed Poison and Def Leppard to all sorts
of fun degrees. Give in and relive your own past as well, I say.
Ned
ned noting that Nirvana loved the hell out of Kiss at kuci.org
Devonian Marxist
>
> and
>
> (b) "He" has been posting on alt.music.alternative on a semi-regular
> basis for a couple of years.
>
> What's your excuse?
Hmm. You usually put yourself over as someone who hates crossposters of all
times when they come to alt.music.manics. What's yours?
Rob
Bjorn Magnusson
-> noxvomica wrote:
->
-> > Wheres the jimi Hendrix of the 90s?
->
-> Well, assuming yr asking where the Inventive And Spontaneous Guitar Player for
-> the 90s is...
->
-> Ira from Yo La Tengo - some of the things he does to a guitar should be
-> illegal. Listen to "Blue Line Swinger", "Flying Lesson", and "Pablo and
-> Andrea" for proof.
->
-> Or any of the guitar players in Mogwai, Olivia Tremor Control, Godspeed You
-> Black Emperor!, or Spiritualized.
Or the band Sonic Youth. You can possibly exclude Steve Shelley.
--
© 1999 Björn Magnusson
Terrific: No
Competent: Yes
bjorn.m <at> home.se + http://www.algonet.se/~bara1
Tom Ewing
>demsa wrote:
>>
>> ...Especially considering
>> that 80% of these oh-so-intelligent people still have a "cheesy" Cinderella
>> tape hidden in the back of there closets ;) .
>I dunno, a lot of us who were or weren't 'enlightened by Nirvana'
>on a.m.a. have happily discussed Poison and Def Leppard to all sorts
>of fun degrees. Give in and relive your own past as well, I say.
I wonder how many other people can say that the day they bought Def
Leppard's "Hysteria" they also bought "UFO" by Guru Guru*? Curiously,
so far I think Lep are better but Guru Guru are easier to listen to
straight through.
*and "In Color" by Cheap Trick and "Come Dance With Me" by Frank
Sinatra and a Stylistics best of - the second-hand shop has been good
to me this visit....
Cheers,
Tom.
np: John Barry - "Capsule In Space"
Jason Phebus
that question has ever been posed
here...ever...glad you're riding at the front of the wave
*drip*
demsa wrote:
> Does anyone else find it hilarious how "alternative" bands have managed to
> convince themselves and their fans that they are at the forefront of some sort
> of "music revoltion"!? Come on! "Alternative" is just by-the-numbers
> corporate rock with a new trick: Intentionally under-produce the songs so
> people will think it has an 'edge' to it. And, just in case people forget
> about the aforementioned 'edge', remind them by calling *every* radio station
> on the planet that plays this stuff The Edge ;) ! It will be interesting see
> what happens to "alternative" when people finally catch up with this ploy, but
> till then I'll just sit back and laugh at their gullibility (ROTFLMAO) :) !!!
>
> There, now that I've got that out of my system, one quick question. Is
> Revelation 3 really a separate band, or are they just Green Day on a bad hair
> day?? The two seem like one and the same to me ;) . And what's the deal
> with '3', do they really think that if they follow Matchbox 20's naming
> conventions that they'll sell as many albums as them ;) ?? OK, that's *two*
> questions, but who's counting. Heck, I probably really should ask a third to
> match that '3' in their name, but I can't be bothered.
>
> Well, that's enough ranting for one day...
>
Ned Raggett
>
> I wonder how many other people can say that the day they bought Def
> Leppard's "Hysteria" they also bought "UFO" by Guru Guru*?
This is my kind of double purchase. I still remember the day I
bought a Led Zeppelin and a Pet Shop Boys album the same day from
a chain store in LA in 1988, which caused the clerk much confusion
as a result.
> Curiously,
> so far I think Lep are better but Guru Guru are easier to listen to
> straight through.
As in sober or not gay? ;-)
> *and "In Color" by Cheap Trick and "Come Dance With Me" by Frank
> Sinatra and a Stylistics best of - the second-hand shop has been good
> to me this visit....
A fine combo -- but you need to visit SF and Amoeba Records sometime.
Be prepared to sell your soul.
Ned
ned about to go have a break at work at kuci.org
Paul Wilbur
> Tom Ewing wrote:
> >
> > I wonder how many other people can say that the day they bought Def
> > Leppard's "Hysteria" they also bought "UFO" by Guru Guru*?
>
> This is my kind of double purchase. I still remember the day I
> bought a Led Zeppelin and a Pet Shop Boys album the same day from
> a chain store in LA in 1988, which caused the clerk much confusion
> as a result.
Your beats are weak. I picked up Ice Cube, Vannesa Mae (pop-classical
artist) and In Flames M-CD all in one purchase.
Paul
Ned Raggett
>
> Your beats are weak. I picked up Ice Cube, Vannesa Mae (pop-classical
> artist) and In Flames M-CD all in one purchase.
*nods* Not bad from the sound of the first two, though I've heard
many mixed things about Ms. Mae's playing. In any event, what's
this In Flames M-CD, then?
Ned
ned about to leave another *yawn* fun day at work at kuci.org
Paul Wilbur
> Paul Wilbur wrote:
> >
> > Your beats are weak. I picked up Ice Cube, Vannesa Mae (pop-classical
> > artist) and In Flames M-CD all in one purchase.
>
> *nods* Not bad from the sound of the first two, though I've heard
> many mixed things about Ms. Mae's playing. In any event, what's
> this In Flames M-CD, then?
The whole staff at KUCI must live on the computer! In Flames M-CD is "Ash
Inheritance", a 4 song EP. Only has one extra track not on anything else,
but recently they threw that track on some comp., bastards!
Ms. Mae is what true classical fans would call "Pop trash" but I like it.
Paul
keyse...@my-dejanews.com
noxvomica wrote:
>
> well alternative sucks because its not an alternative, its mainstream.
>
> Wheres the jimi Hendrix of the 90s?
>
keyse...@my-dejanews.com
Paul Wilbur <dapi...@mailbox.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > well alternative sucks because its not an alternative, its mainstream.
> >
> >
> > Wheres the jimi Hendrix of the 90s?
>
> status. Marilyn Manson, Bush, Korn, etc. will all be what 80's artists
> (Wham, Wang Chung, Howard Jones, etc.) are now. Nostaligia. It's hard for
> a band to keep a person's interest up for over 3 albums anymore and the
> fact is that a lot of "artists" just aren't talented enough to become
> another Jimi Hendrix, Rolling Stones, Queen, etc.
good, cuz we really don't need another Queen...
F.B.
<mpup...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
>Some Of Us Like Alternative music
>Demsa I certainly like alterative
>demsa wrote in message <7c215c$9p0$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
managed to
>>convince themselves and their fans that they are at the forefront of
some
>sort
>>of "music revoltion"!? Come on! "Alternative" is just
by-the-numbers
>>corporate rock with a new trick: Intentionally under-produce the
songs so
>>people will think it has an 'edge' to it.
And if you actually think that Alternative music is defined by what's
played on corporate radio, you are so out of touch with reality that
you barely merit a response. Suffice it to say, what is "alternative"
is what is NOT played on major corporate radio stations!
In any event, the alternative music of 1990-93 was generally NOT
by-the-numbers corporate jigs, but the genuine article. If you really
want mind-numbingly tired cliches, arrangements and tasteless style,
look no farther than Heavy Metal -- the genre that alternative blew off
the face of the earth forever more.
Matt P
F.B.
Wilbur <dapi...@mailbox.ucdavis.edu> writes:
>
>On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, noxvomica wrote:
>
>>
>> well alternative sucks because its not an alternative, its
mainstream.
>>
>>
>> Wheres the jimi Hendrix of the 90s?
>
>Jimi's dead, and so are the days of building artists to "classic rock"
>status.
Classic rock "status?" How funny! What revisionist history! Classic
rock stations existed to play music for an aging part of the population
that was too musically unsophisticated and timid to try their hand at
much of anything made past 1978. When the future of these stations was
threatened with the onslaught of alternative, they incorporated some
selectively chosen 80s bands that, in retrospect, had been played long
enough on other formats to be sure to make money for the corporate
money-mongers responsible for "classic rock" -- the most execrable
radio format in existence today.
Marilyn Manson, Bush, Korn, etc. will all be what 80's artists
>(Wham, Wang Chung, Howard Jones, etc.) are now. Nostaligia. It's hard
for
>a band to keep a person's interest up for over 3 albums anymore and
the
>fact is that a lot of "artists" just aren't talented enough to become
>another Jimi Hendrix, Rolling Stones, Queen, etc.
There's so much talent out there right now, it's scary. They just
either aren't playing music that fits neatly into the 3.5-4.5 hit
single format, or they play a brand of music to daring for the industry
people to take a chance on in this particularly stagnant time for
radio.
Not talented enough to be another Queen? That's a frightening thought.
Matt P
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Dierussian
>
> In article <36E4E5...@erols.com>,
> sham...@erols.com wrote:
>
> > I agree with most of this. But why did you choose to note only the worst
> > bands of the lot?
>
> Point well taken. I apologize for not mentioning the late, great Soundgarden
> (by far the best mainstream hard rock band of this decade) and Pearl Jam
> (Eddie's whining is annoying, but one has to admire the man's sincerity). And
> though I dislike Nirvana for the most part, I must acknowledge that "Smells
> Like Teen Spirit" was a kick-ass song!
>
> However, in my original post I wasn't referring to those bands (though they
> were also a bit on the pretentious side), but to the lame imitations of them
> who are clogging the airwaves today. You know, the ones who seem to think
> that they are the second coming of the Beatles when actually they are just
> the second coming of Wham. My apologies for not making that clear.
>
> -Demsa
Now that that's in the open, I'd like to ask, who said they think
they're the second coming of the Beatles, to quote you? I don't even
think that the bands think of themselves as anything to rave about. They
will all be gone soon enough, and I don't think of them as alternative,
but cheesy pop. Alternative truly isn't a genre either. It's just that
we needed a term for "not the norm" in music, something that was
originally unique, but has violently matured into the garbage it is
today. It;s sad the day you find a Phil Collins album in the alternative
rack nowadays too.
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Hrmm....sounds like the handiwork of Doctor Claw
and his evil M.A.D.D. henchmen.
This post will self-destruct.
Dierussian
> Well, all the power to yah then! There's nothing wrong with *liking*
> "alternative" music. Heck, I like a good amount of it myself :) ! What IS
> wrong is when people think that they are biggest bad-asses on the planet
> that 80% of these oh-so-intelligent people still have a "cheesy" Cinderella
> it weren't for the fact that they were 4 years old when "Nobody's Fool" was a
> big hit.
I don't think any of us act like bad-asses, or claimed to have been
"enlightened". I heard some great music long before I heard Nirvana,
some bands being a lot of the bands that Nirvana has gone and covered
songs of. And in reply to the "Cinderella" remark, I can't say I ever
owned a Cinderella tape, but Crue/Poison etc., I own a few of their
albums on CD. And I don't mind them. I like most anything rock and
roll..be it "grunge", metal, failed 80's hair bands, classic rock, etc.
And I'm 19 now..not as young as you'd think.
Dierussian
>
> Paul Wilbur wrote:
> >
> > Your beats are weak. I picked up Ice Cube, Vannesa Mae (pop-classical
> > artist) and In Flames M-CD all in one purchase.
>
> *nods* Not bad from the sound of the first two, though I've heard
> many mixed things about Ms. Mae's playing. In any event, what's
> this In Flames M-CD, then?
>
In Flames is a black metal band.
Tom Ewing
>And if you actually think that Alternative music is defined by what's
>played on corporate radio, you are so out of touch with reality that
>you barely merit a response. Suffice it to say, what is "alternative"
>is what is NOT played on major corporate radio stations!
>In any event, the alternative music of 1990-93 was generally NOT
>by-the-numbers corporate jigs, but the genuine article. If you really
>want mind-numbingly tired cliches, arrangements and tasteless style,
>look no farther than Heavy Metal -- the genre that alternative blew off
>the face of the earth forever more.
Curiously, though, when I listen to metal now (never having liked it
at the time) what I hear is a) a refreshing lack of cynicism,
weariness or irony, and b) a regard for showmanship, both qualities I
think 'alternative' could do with a bit more of.
(I probably also hear 'better technique', but I honestly neither know
nor care about that.)
Cheers,
Tom.
Persi
>I don't think any of us act like bad-asses, or claimed to have been
>"enlightened". I heard some great music long before I heard Nirvana,
>some bands being a lot of the bands that Nirvana has gone and covered
>songs of. And in reply to the "Cinderella" remark, I can't say I ever
>owned a Cinderella tape, but Crue/Poison etc.,
Personally, I thought Cinderella was one of the better hair metal bands of the
late 80's. 'Somebody Save Me' and the other singles off the first album were
actually pretty good. They even held their own on their latter studio releases.
I'm not all ashamed to have owned a few of their LP's.
Poison I never liked at all. I saw them at the Troubador during hair metal's
big days on the Sunset Strip. They weren't bad live, but their recorded output
always rubbed me the wrong way. As far as Crue goes, I was a pretty big
Crue-head for a few years (saw most of the tours....and they put on damn good
shows). I still think their first album is really great (especially the out of
print edition on Leather Records).
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Ned Raggett
>
> The whole staff at KUCI must live on the computer!
Actually, I work at the campus library, but my main account is at
kuci.org -- I hop back and forth, if you will! And it's been a
fairly boring week, so...
> In Flames M-CD is "Ash
> Inheritance", a 4 song EP. Only has one extra track not on anything else,
> but recently they threw that track on some comp., bastards!
Zing. I just love when bands do that...grr. So what do they sound
like, then?
Ned
ned pondering what to do about stuff and things at kuci.org
Matthew Maxwell
> The most obvious answer to this is Walthamstow, London.
Or perhaps in Cambridge, Mass, incarnate as the ever-beguiling
Wayne Rogers. And i'll assume that the above refers to one
Evis B. Rond F.?
Matt
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demsa
ltri...@ix.netcom.com(F.B.) wrote:
> And if you actually think that Alternative music is defined by what's
> played on corporate radio, you are so out of touch with reality that
> you barely merit a response.
If you had read my post more carefully, you would have noticed that I put the
word "alternative" is QUOTES...
> Suffice it to say, what is "alternative"
> is what is NOT played on major corporate radio stations!
> In any event, the alternative music of 1990-93 was generally NOT
> by-the-numbers corporate jigs, but the genuine article.
Agreed (for the most part). "Alternative" was pretty decent till about 1995,
but then went totally down the toilet.
> If you really
> want mind-numbingly tired cliches, arrangements and tasteless style,
> look no farther than Heavy Metal -- the genre that alternative blew off
> the face of the earth forever more.
I wouldn't be so sure about that if I were you ;) . Look at how many times
dance music has come and gone. And as for tastelessness, if you genuinely
think that the Eve 6's of the world have any more taste than the Great Whites
did, you're seriously deluding yourself. Oops! I forgot, "alternative" by
definition has more taste than any other music form known to man; I'll have to
retract what I just said and ask for forgiveness ;) .
-Demsa
J. Mcglinchey
> Personally, I thought Cinderella was one of the better hair metal bands of the
> late 80's. 'Somebody Save Me' and the other singles off the first album were
They had at least one hit, "Coming Home," (off of LONG COLD WINTER) that
made me crinkle the eyebrows and say 'Gee, maybe there's something more to
'em.' Though I never could take the lead singer's voice that much,
especially in the higher registers.
> Poison I never liked at all. I saw them at the Troubador during hair metal's
> big days on the Sunset Strip. They weren't bad live, but their recorded output
> always rubbed me the wrong way. As far as Crue goes, I was a pretty big
I always hated Poison with a passion. Didn't seem particularly original
(even within the hair band domain), and the guitarist seemed unbearably
arrogant in interviews, much more then he had a right to be. But maybe my
main reason for despising them is that one of the high school bands I
was in had several members who *loved* Poison. So I can actually
say I've played "Your Mama Can't Dance..," "Talk Dirty to Me," AND
"Nothin' But a Good Time" in front of a rather large group of people
(shudder)...Though I have to grudgingly admit that these at least sounded
rather audience-friendly, and it was either that or play the
beyond-annoying "Youth Gone Wild" by Skid Row (hey I have *some*
standards, man :) ).
Joe M.
U of Washington
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~joemcg
J. Mcglinchey
> Curiously, though, when I listen to metal now (never having liked it
> at the time) what I hear is a) a refreshing lack of cynicism,
> weariness or irony, and b) a regard for showmanship, both qualities I
> think 'alternative' could do with a bit more of.
I've never been a hardcore fan of metal, more a dabbler whose always had a
certain amount of respect for it and enjoyed various things, more or less,
that the genre has provided. You've just named two of its biggest
strengths, IMO, that seem to me to be sadly forgotten in our current
musical age.
demsa
sham...@erols.com wrote:
> Now that that's in the open, I'd like to ask, who said they think
> they're the second coming of the Beatles, to quote you?
Oasis :) ! And that ego-head who fronts Third Eye Blind -- since I'm not a
13- year-old girl I don't know his name -- has come pretty damn close ;) .
OK, what I said was a bit of a hyperhole, but it's a fact that an awful lot
of "alternative" bands have a grossly over-inflated opinion of their place in
the music universe. Look at Soundgarden, for example. They were a very good
band, no one can take that awat from them. But what the heck gave them the
idea that they were so high and above metal when they were so friggin'
similar to it?? I can see not wanting to be lumped with Poison, but their
tirades went too far. And heck, they WERE metal till they started trashing it
left and right shortly after they made it big. Not that I'm bitter about
this or anything -- I wasn't a big metal fan in the 80's -- but Soundgarden
make good posterboys of the holier-than-thou attitude that plagues
"alternative" music.
Ned Raggett
>
> Curiously, though, when I listen to metal now (never having liked it
> at the time) what I hear is a) a refreshing lack of cynicism,
> weariness or irony, and b) a regard for showmanship, both qualities I
> think 'alternative' could do with a bit more of.
The hunt for kicks, of all kinds, tends to lack irony, bless it.
If it did have irony, *that* would be more depressing than most of
the goth/industrial stuff out there -- and the only band that ever
came properly close to taking such an ironic approach on kicks and
making it work was probably Gang of Four. And whaddya know, they
rocked as well. ;-)
As for showmanship, there's always Marc Almond. But I would say that.
> (I probably also hear 'better technique', but I honestly neither know
> nor care about that.)
Best left to Berklee School of Music grads who thank L. Ron Hubbard
in their liner notes for wank-jazz records. ;-) And don't get
me started on Dream Theater.
Ned
ned reliving 1989 via them wonderful Happy Flowers at kuci.org
Paul Wilbur
> Paul Wilbur wrote:
> >
> > The whole staff at KUCI must live on the computer!
>
> Actually, I work at the campus library, but my main account is at
> kuci.org -- I hop back and forth, if you will! And it's been a
> fairly boring week, so...
So you know "Fecalith"? He keeps changing his name, he used to be
"evilmusic".
>
> > In Flames M-CD is "Ash
> > Inheritance", a 4 song EP. Only has one extra track not on anything else,
> > but recently they threw that track on some comp., bastards!
>
> Zing. I just love when bands do that...grr. So what do they sound
> like, then?
Traditional Iron Maiden meets black metal? Do you know of the band
Profanity or Dark Tranquility? Kind like that, but slightly more leaning
towards Maiden. I am sure a lot of people in this ng like them.
Paul
Paul Wilbur
> Ned Raggett wrote:
> >
> > Paul Wilbur wrote:
> > >
> > > Your beats are weak. I picked up Ice Cube, Vannesa Mae (pop-classical
> > > artist) and In Flames M-CD all in one purchase.
> >
> > *nods* Not bad from the sound of the first two, though I've heard
> > many mixed things about Ms. Mae's playing. In any event, what's
> > this In Flames M-CD, then?
> >
>
> In Flames is a black metal band.
Sort of, but more a black/traditional metal hybrid.
Paul
keyse...@my-dejanews.com
mmax...@san.rr.com (Matthew Maxwell) wrote:
> In article <7c4f7f$e2p$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, keyse...@my-dejanews.com
wrote:
>
> > The most obvious answer to this is Walthamstow, London.
>
> Or perhaps in Cambridge, Mass, incarnate as the ever-beguiling
> Wayne Rogers.
Yes, absolutely, though I'd say there's a bit more of the brit folk thing in
there perhaps. Still, phenomenal fellow. He's done well since MASH.
> And i'll assume that the above refers to one
> Evis B. Rond F.?
>
Could ther be any other? New album is imminent, and I for one can't wait.
'99 is looking to be a groovy year.
key
keyse...@my-dejanews.com
<Pine.A41.4.05.990310...@dante34.u.washington.edu>, "J.
Mcglinchey" <joe...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Tom Ewing wrote:
>
> > Curiously, though, when I listen to metal now (never having liked it
> > at the time) what I hear is a) a refreshing lack of cynicism,
> > weariness or irony, and b) a regard for showmanship, both qualities I
> > think 'alternative' could do with a bit more of.
>
> I've never been a hardcore fan of metal, more a dabbler whose always had a
> certain amount of respect for it and enjoyed various things, more or less,
> that the genre has provided. You've just named two of its biggest
> strengths, IMO, that seem to me to be sadly forgotten in our current
> musical age.
>
I can respect the showmanship aspect of metal, but it seems as glam passed
from one generation to the next, the resultant late 80s watered down hair
metal--poison (who were actually decent I suppose), warrent, winger, etc--all
just really cheapened a decent idea, and the music all became extremely
samey...arrrggh. I can say this because I grew up listening to the crap. My
contention is that metal is like any other genre, there is the good and bad.
And one thing I've always liked about good metal, besides what's been
mentioned above, is the goofiness of it all. Some bands can be hilarious and
rocking at the same time. Maybe they mean to, maybe not. I'd rather listen
to Spinal Tap than any of the above.
> Joe M.
> U of Washington
> http://weber.u.washington.edu/~joemcg
>
>
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>I apologize for not mentioning the late, great Soundgarden
>(by far the best mainstream hard rock band of this decade)
Soundgarden were good... but the best mainstream hard rock band of this
decade was Send No Flowers (... although you probably won't have heard
of them, because they're not American, and it seems that the US music
industry are the only ones capable of marketing "Alternative"!)
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4 tracks/18 minutes of music
Cutting edge alternative rock/metal from Belfast, as featured by John Peel.
Reviews: "Wooow... those guitars are sounding amazing. Listen to this
and you remember how good music can sound!!!" (The Original Sin) "Nil
have created a massive sound for themselves. Excellent stuff indeed."
(BB Zine).
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Ned Raggett
>
> So you know "Fecalith"? He keeps changing his name, he used to be
> "evilmusic".
New one on me -- I know a few of the metal fans here at the station,
but not all of them. Thanks for the description...
Ned
ned zoning away an afternoon at kuci.org
JackieBlue
> > I wonder how many other people can say that the day they bought Def
> > Leppard's "Hysteria" they also bought "UFO" by Guru Guru*?
>
> This is my kind of double purchase. I still remember the day I
> bought a Led Zeppelin and a Pet Shop Boys album the same day
I think I bought a second copy of Dire Straits -Making Movies- the same visit
I bought a Flying Saucer Attack album.
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JackieBlue
> Curiously, though, when I listen to metal now (never having liked it
> at the time) what I hear is a) a refreshing lack of cynicism,
> weariness or irony, and b) a regard for showmanship
Yeah. In the 80s, even normal people were exciting. Even normal people
sniffed coke and went dancing dressed in absurd outfits. Now, in the more
realistic 90s, normal people are just boring, and the music they listen to
reflects this. When I see a band like Matchbox 20, I honestly wonder what
I'm supposed to get out of the music. There is simply nothing there.
There's not even fluff! There's just this annoying noise that is, I suppose,
technically "music" and these annoying vocals saying some annoying words.
np:REM, "Leave"
JackieBlue
> Look at Soundgarden, for example. They were a very good
> band, no one can take that awat from them. But what the heck gave them the
> idea that they were so high and above metal when they were so friggin'
> similar to it??
Um... Soundgarden weren't "metal" as the term was being used at the time.
They were only "metal" in the sense that Sabbath and Zeppelin were, and they
never denied THAT. They were not similar to the Poisons and Def Leppards.
np:Arab Strap, "Revolution"
Matthew Maxwell
> Yes, absolutely, though I'd say there's a bit more of the brit folk thing in
> there perhaps. Still, phenomenal fellow. He's done well since MASH.
And Mr. Frond doesn't indulge more than a bit in the folk
thing? Not that this is a bad thing, mind you. Though one
wonders what he'd do with "Sally Free and Easy" played only
on electric dulcimer.
> Could ther be any other? New album is imminent, and I for one can't wait.
> '99 is looking to be a groovy year.
Not to mention Terrastock 3 and the all improv psych-out
set promised by the Frond. I wish it wasn't over on the
other side of the pond, though. There goes my chances
of hearing a live version of "Miskatonic Variations."
J. Mcglinchey
> I can respect the showmanship aspect of metal, but it seems as glam passed
> from one generation to the next, the resultant late 80s watered down hair
> metal--poison (who were actually decent I suppose), warrent, winger, etc--all
> just really cheapened a decent idea, and the music all became extremely
> samey...arrrggh. I can say this because I grew up listening to the crap. My
Oh, I more than agree with you here. Hair metal to me was the nadir of
the genre; somehow it just became unbelievably homogenized and
boring to watch and listen to during the late 80s as to be virtually
unbearable, and therefore had to be destroyed. ;)
In retrospect, I find myself asking, what was the wellspring for bands
like Warrant? Say, the phenomenal success of Motley Crue's THEATER OF
PAIN? I think their look seemed to change significantly from SHOUT AT THE
DEVIL (image: kind of a poor man's KISS, mysterious machismo--beating up
dudes and 'dominating' women in videos like "Looks That Kill" and "Too
Young to Fallin Love"; music: comic-book-ish occult elements and
hormonally-driven rock, the avatar of metal) to THEATER (seemingly more
glam-based image, covered things like "Smokin' in the Boys Room")...
> And one thing I've always liked about good metal, besides what's been
> mentioned above, is the goofiness of it all. Some bands can be hilarious and
> rocking at the same time. Maybe they mean to, maybe not. I'd rather listen
> to Spinal Tap than any of the above.
Well, "good metal" for me is Sabbath, Maiden, Priest, KISS (at their
peak; circa DESTROYER, etc.). Spinal Tap (yes, I know they weren't a real
band--you could substitute for their real-life equivalent, Uriah Heep)
seems stylistically closer to these than bands like Poison or Warrant, and I
agree, much more my kind of listening. One just can't hear something like
Heep's "Love Machine" or "Sweet Lorraine" nowadays, in a musical world
populated by Jewels and Kraftwerk-wannabes. :)
Michael Daddino
>
> On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, demsa wrote:
>
> > Does anyone else find it hilarious how "alternative" bands have managed to
> > convince themselves and their fans that they are at the forefront of some sort
> > of "music revoltion"!? Come on! "Alternative" is just by-the-numbers
> > corporate rock with a new trick: Intentionally under-produce the songs so
>
> C'mon man it's SWINGPUNK!!! SWINGPUNK, I tell ya!!! It's the REAL
> THING, brash and energetic!!!
I'll say. Incidentally, I just thought of a new name for a swingpunk
band, something that captures the best of both worlds: Martini Anarchy.
A great name for any band who wants to smash the state in *impeccable*
style...unless of course, they're a straight-edge swing-punk band (Don't
laugh. If there can be Christian Swing bands, and apparently there are,
there can also be straight-edge swingpunk bands.)
--Mike
Cultural Artifact of the Moment: Various Artists, *Reich Remixed* (Damn.
I was hoping for something a bit more exuberant than this. Something
with hooks. Or at least noisier.)
fernando
wrote:
>noxvomica wrote:
>
>> well alternative sucks because its not an alternative, its mainstream.
>>
>> Wheres the jimi Hendrix of the 90s?
>
>Since when was Jimi Hendrix non-mainstream?
>
>Better face it: All good music has some sort of audience. That does not matter
>it is the music you'll find on Top of the Hot 100 that is the best one, but
>whenever a good band has been playing for some years that band will always have
>an audience large enough to grant them a Hot 100 placing with every album they
>release.
Why the Hot 100 and not the Hot 135.79? I mean, what is so special about
'100' that can describe the complexities of human tastes as it relates to
good bands with an audience? Is there a Hot 100 in Norway? Do that many
records get released there? Did all Genesis records make it to the Hot 100
in the US?
-fernando
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loud...@earthlink.net
How many of you played Johnny Lang "Lie to me" in a CLUB!!!!!
or Edwin Collins "A Girl Like You", or Eagle eye cherry "save Tonight"
OR the NEW SUGAR RAY SONG!!
ALL GOOD DANCEABLE ROCK SONGS
This is why they give us Alternantive CRAP.....DJ's play it!!!
fred solinger
>A simplified chart showing how it all went downhill:
>
>The Melvins begat Nirvana; Nirvana begat Pearl Jam; Pearl Jam and
>Nirvana begat Stone Temple Pilots, Collective Soul, and every other
>crap alternative-inspired mainstream band of '93-96. And those crap
>bands begat Eve 6, Third Eye Blind, Matchbox 20, and all the current
>crap mainstream bands.
>What was once fresh and new was corrupted 100X over by a greedy music
>industry and those who listen to whatever MTV tells them.
>
i think even radio noticed that what they were playing was no longer
'alternative' (if it even was to begin with). don't know about the
rest of you, but the format out here in the nyc has become "modern
rock," throwing off the 'alternative' moniker. when did this happen,
exactly? was it after the pearl jams and nirvanas? or did it take
place with the bands who were spawned from the stps of the world?
peace...fred
(np: todd rundgren, "hope i'm around")
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>
>Ned Raggett <nedSP...@kuci.org> wrote:
>
>> > I wonder how many other people can say that the day they bought Def
>> > Leppard's "Hysteria" they also bought "UFO" by Guru Guru*?
>>
>> This is my kind of double purchase. I still remember the day I
>> bought a Led Zeppelin and a Pet Shop Boys album the same day
>
>I think I bought a second copy of Dire Straits -Making Movies- the same visit
>I bought a Flying Saucer Attack album.
I smell a theme here.
Strangest simultaneous purchases: Cream "Disraeli Gears" and Pan sonic "Vakio."
Got an appropriately interesting look from the counter help.
Tom Ewing
>eb...@netcomuk.co.uk wrote:
>> Curiously, though, when I listen to metal now (never having liked it
>> at the time) what I hear is a) a refreshing lack of cynicism,
>> weariness or irony, and b) a regard for showmanship
>Yeah. In the 80s, even normal people were exciting. Even normal people
>sniffed coke and went dancing dressed in absurd outfits.
London, of course, is still like this. Except not actually, thank God,
though in any stripped-pine Soho 'watering hole' of a Friday night
you'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise. The soundtrack is impeccably
UK-alternative, naturally.
What happened in the 90s (here, at least) wasn't that alternative went
mainstream but that the mainstream went alternative. Every second
advert is riddled with drug imagery, people in focus groups drop
Kerouac references and actually ask for ads to be made more 'ironic',
*everybody* likes what would have been irredemably minority music ten
years ago. We're all indie now.
The total, if Pyrrhic, victory of the counter-culture in the UK is
probably why its more overtly 'alternative' music (the
spazz-electronica of V/VM, Bovinyl, etc.) is so paralysed with
contempt and an irony so extreme it renders any meaningful action
completely impossible. Which doesn't make for good entertainment or a
decent escape route, in my book.
Cheers,
Tom.
np: Sparks - "This Town Ain't Big Enough For The Both Of Us"
Cheers,
Tom.
Geir Hongro
noxvomica wrote:
> well alternative sucks because its not an alternative, its mainstream.
>
> Wheres the jimi Hendrix of the 90s?
Since when was Jimi Hendrix non-mainstream?
Better face it: All good music has some sort of audience. That does not matter
it is the music you'll find on Top of the Hot 100 that is the best one, but
whenever a good band has been playing for some years that band will always have
an audience large enough to grant them a Hot 100 placing with every album they
release.
--
Geir Hongro
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Bellybutton-Jellyfish
Wrestling My Case-Kask
Cool For Cats-Squeeze
Argybargy-Squeeze
East Side Story-Squeeze
Geir Hongro
> Why are you assuming the Jimi Hendrix of the '90s would play a guitar?
How about a Gizmo? :-)
> Personally, I'm more interested in what kids are doing with samplers
> and sequencers: _those_ are the people making inventive (and sometimes
> spontaneous) music.
Why shouldn't both be interesting?
And even more: Why is the BACKING TRACK supposed to be so important? Because that's
what the instruments do, they play the backing track.
Loki
wrote:
>JackieBlue <Jacki...@my-dejanews.com> wrote:
>
>>And anyway, I've yet to actually meet someone that said "I'm cutting edge and
>>alternative because I listen to Matchbox 20."
>
>This is a pretty excellent point. Where are all these people who think
>M20 and the legions of bubblegrunge/ska-punk bands represent the
>cutting edge? They don't post because they don't exist: all the M20
>fans are, are pop fans buying the music they like, just like the rest
>of us.
I bought M20's CD this weekend (albeit used at a pawn shoppe), and I
actually enjoyed it. But this isn't to defend M20; the fact is that
you are accurate concerning guys like M20, or Mariah Carey or Shania
Twain or whatever else. The really silly ones tend to be the punk and
metalheads who seem to think that, since they know about all the "cool
indie bands, dude!!" they are the true "cutting edge."
I don't even think M20 is alternative. Who the hell called them
alternative? They're pop-rock music; Nirvana, Mudhoney, etc, etc..
are all alternative, not M20.
>Cheers,
>Tom.
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Geir Hongro
keyse...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <36e4bc7a...@news.mindspring.com>,
> noxvomica wrote:
> >
> > well alternative sucks because its not an alternative, its mainstream.
> >
> > Wheres the jimi Hendrix of the 90s?
> >
> The most obvious answer to this is Walthamstow, London.
How about the jungle of Amazonas, together with Jim Morrison, Elvis Presley,
Richey James and Maybe Jim Hoffa too? :-)
Loki
>In article <Pine.GSO.4.04.99030...@dilbert.ucdavis.edu>,
> Paul Wilbur <dapi...@mailbox.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>> On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, demsa wrote:
>>
>> > what happens to "alternative" when people finally catch up with this ploy,
>but
>> > till then I'll just sit back and laugh at their gullibility (ROTFLMAO) :)
>!!!
>>
>> They don't care about music and laughing at them would be a waste of time.
>> In 5 years they will be listening to whatever else is on the radio and not
>> give it a second thought.
>>
>
>Yep, I know a lot of people who used to listen to glam when it was popular
>and now they listen to alter<cough>mainstream<cough>native. They think glam
>is a joke now and the same thing will happen to alternative when the next
>thing comes along.
Exactly. I got rid of my glam collection a while back (not because it
was uncool, but because I had grown tired of it) but I am slowly
recollecting much of it because it was, in general, enjoyable music.
>-mike
Geir Hongro
demsa wrote:
> In article <36E612...@erols.com>,
> sham...@erols.com wrote:
> > Now that that's in the open, I'd like to ask, who said they think
> > they're the second coming of the Beatles, to quote you?
>
> Oasis :)
Oasis have never seen themselves as alternative. They are very happy to sell
records and don't really pretend to be anything else than a rock'n'roll band.
They may see themselves as very important, but that's just as some kind of
reaction against a lot of the stuff you found in early 90s alternative American
rock. Oasis are not the Beatles of the 90s, but they are not the Wham! of the 90s
either (unless Wham! were underrated, which they truly were!). I'd rather compare
them with Slade: Fun, noisy pop/rock songs with strong quality melodies that
stick in your ear.
That being said I LOVE Oasis for their abilility to write exactly those quality
songs that stick in your ear, because after all they were the band that
reinstated the melody in rock.
Geir Hongro
> Nirvana can take credit in having KILLED hair bands
Yes. And instead you have a bunch of guys dressing up in cheap worn-out hippie-inspired
clothes whining with a raspy voice about how much everybody hates them and how much they
want to take their lives. A cliche is a cliche is a cliche
Geir Hongro
Maciej wrote:
> Do you really think Nirvana would have done it without major label support?
In the US: Probably not. There is a long list of bands that made in the UK
without major label support.
Geir Hongro
mi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <Pine.GSO.4.04.99030...@dilbert.ucdavis.edu>,
> Paul Wilbur <dapi...@mailbox.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, demsa wrote:
> >
> > > what happens to "alternative" when people finally catch up with this ploy,
> but
> > > till then I'll just sit back and laugh at their gullibility (ROTFLMAO) :)
> !!!
> >
> > They don't care about music and laughing at them would be a waste of time.
> > In 5 years they will be listening to whatever else is on the radio and not
> > give it a second thought.
> >
>
> Yep, I know a lot of people who used to listen to glam when it was popular
> and now they listen to alter<cough>mainstream<cough>native. They think glam
> is a joke now and the same thing will happen to alternative when the next
> thing comes along.
So in the future there will be nothing but mainstream music?
To put my point in other words: "Alternative" is not a style. At any time, in any
place, there will be alternative music as alternative music is simply anything
that isn't mainstream.
I know some "alternafreaks" disagree with me when I say it but to me everything
that is not fashionable in 1999 is alternative, no matter if it was actually
fashionable in 1973 or 1981. "Alternative" is simply anything that your average
15-year-old would not buy, regardless of style. Thus at the moment progressive
rock is clearly more alternative than techno or the "quasi-grunge" of bands like
Matchbox 22.
Geir Hongro
Tom Ewing wrote:
> Ned Raggett <nedSP...@kuci.org> wrote:
>
> >demsa wrote:
> >>
> >> ...Especially considering
> >> that 80% of these oh-so-intelligent people still have a "cheesy" Cinderella
> >> tape hidden in the back of there closets ;) .
>
> >I dunno, a lot of us who were or weren't 'enlightened by Nirvana'
> >on a.m.a. have happily discussed Poison and Def Leppard to all sorts
> >of fun degrees. Give in and relive your own past as well, I say.
>
> I wonder how many other people can say that the day they bought Def
> Leppard's "Hysteria" they also bought "UFO" by Guru Guru*? Curiously,
> so far I think Lep are better but Guru Guru are easier to listen to
> straight through.
>
> *and "In Color" by Cheap Trick and "Come Dance With Me" by Frank
> Sinatra and a Stylistics best of
"In Color" was never seen as very mainstream and calculated, was it?
I know that they basically became your average cheesy AOR band in the 80s, but in
the late 70s Cheap Trick made quality Powerpop.
Geir Hongro
J. Mcglinchey wrote:
> On 10 Mar 1999, Persi wrote:
>
> > Personally, I thought Cinderella was one of the better hair metal bands of the
> > late 80's. 'Somebody Save Me' and the other singles off the first album were
>
> They had at least one hit, "Coming Home," (off of LONG COLD WINTER) that
> made me crinkle the eyebrows and say 'Gee, maybe there's something more to
> 'em.' Though I never could take the lead singer's voice that much,
> especially in the higher registers.
>
> > Poison I never liked at all. I saw them at the Troubador during hair metal's
> > big days on the Sunset Strip. They weren't bad live, but their recorded output
> > always rubbed me the wrong way. As far as Crue goes, I was a pretty big
>
> I always hated Poison with a passion. Didn't seem particularly original
> (even within the hair band domain), and the guitarist seemed unbearably
> arrogant in interviews, much more then he had a right to be. But maybe my
> main reason for despising them is that one of the high school bands I
> was in had several members who *loved* Poison. So I can actually
> say I've played "Your Mama Can't Dance..," "Talk Dirty to Me," AND
> "Nothin' But a Good Time" in front of a rather large group of people
> (shudder)...Though I have to grudgingly admit that these at least sounded
> rather audience-friendly, and it was either that or play the
> beyond-annoying "Youth Gone Wild" by Skid Row (hey I have *some*
> standards, man :) ).
Luckily Poison and Cinderella never did very well over here. :-)
Bon Jovi and Europe did though :-(
Geir Hongro
keyse...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article
> <Pine.A41.4.05.990310...@dante34.u.washington.edu>, "J.
> Mcglinchey" <joe...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Tom Ewing wrote:
> >
> > > Curiously, though, when I listen to metal now (never having liked it
> > > at the time) what I hear is a) a refreshing lack of cynicism,
> > > weariness or irony, and b) a regard for showmanship, both qualities I
> > > think 'alternative' could do with a bit more of.
> >
> > I've never been a hardcore fan of metal, more a dabbler whose always had a
> > certain amount of respect for it and enjoyed various things, more or less,
> > that the genre has provided. You've just named two of its biggest
> > strengths, IMO, that seem to me to be sadly forgotten in our current
> > musical age.
> >
>
> I can respect the showmanship aspect of metal, but it seems as glam passed
> from one generation to the next, the resultant late 80s watered down hair
> metal--poison (who were actually decent I suppose), warrent, winger, etc--all
> just really cheapened a decent idea, and the music all became extremely
> samey...arrrggh.
Still don't lump the worst examples of hair metal bands in with the few hair
metal bands (Def Leppard, early Van Halen) that were actually quite good. I HATE
most hair metal, yet "Hysteria" still is a great album with me.
Geir Hongro
demsa wrote:
> In article <7c4pi2$d...@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com>,
> ltri...@ix.netcom.com(F.B.) wrote:
> > And if you actually think that Alternative music is defined by what's
> > played on corporate radio, you are so out of touch with reality that
> > you barely merit a response.
>
> If you had read my post more carefully, you would have noticed that I put the
> word "alternative" is QUOTES...
>
> > Suffice it to say, what is "alternative"
> > is what is NOT played on major corporate radio stations!
> > In any event, the alternative music of 1990-93 was generally NOT
> > by-the-numbers corporate jigs, but the genuine article.
>
> Agreed (for the most part). "Alternative" was pretty decent till about 1995,
> but then went totally down the toilet.
It looks like the record buying audience agrees with you because, at least in the
US, 1995 was about the time where "alternative" albums sales dropped again,
leaving the hitlists back to the likes of Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, Whitney
Houston and Boyz II Men plus an entire bunch of talentless rappers and soft R&B
acts.
keyse...@my-dejanews.com
mmax...@san.rr.com (Matthew Maxwell) wrote:
> In article <7c6o45$e78$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, keyse...@my-dejanews.com
wrote:
>
> > Yes, absolutely, though I'd say there's a bit more of the brit folk thing in
> > there perhaps. Still, phenomenal fellow. He's done well since MASH.
>
> And Mr. Frond doesn't indulge more than a bit in the folk
> thing? Not that this is a bad thing, mind you. Though one
> wonders what he'd do with "Sally Free and Easy" played only
> on electric dulcimer.
>
You're right. I think senior Frond tends to seperate his styles in his songs
though. One song might come off as a Hendrixian/Blue Cheer stomper, the next
is a folksy Fairport Convention workout or whatever. I like both styles a
lot, but you could almost seperate the heavy monster rocker from the folkier
english tunesmith, which I guess is what Fred Bison is about. Rogers styles
seem a bit more mixed up within each other. His songs jam in a power acid
folk way that's maybe like Trees or Fairport doing an all star jam with the
Jimi or....maybe Ash Ra Temple. I can safely say that both are excellent
guitarists that blow me away in that old fashioned guitar god sort'a way, and
even though they're influenced by similar artists/bands, they sound very
different.
> > Could ther be any other? New album is imminent, and I for one can't wait.
> > '99 is looking to be a groovy year.
>
> Not to mention Terrastock 3 and the all improv psych-out
> set promised by the Frond. I wish it wasn't over on the
> other side of the pond, though. There goes my chances
> of hearing a live version of "Miskatonic Variations."
>
>
Yes, it's going to be a hard trip to make. Just watch, the next one will
probably be in New Zealand.
key
F.B.
Ewing) writes:
>
>ltri...@ix.netcom.com(F.B.) wrote:
>
>>And if you actually think that Alternative music is defined by what's
>>played on corporate radio, you are so out of touch with reality that
"alternative"
>>is what is NOT played on major corporate radio stations!
>>In any event, the alternative music of 1990-93 was generally NOT
really
>>want mind-numbingly tired cliches, arrangements and tasteless style,
>>look no farther than Heavy Metal -- the genre that alternative blew
off
>>the face of the earth forever more.
>Curiously, though, when I listen to metal now (never having liked it
>at the time) what I hear is a) a refreshing lack of cynicism,
Is it refreshing in an absolute sense, or is it refreshing because many
of the radio bands of the 90s saturated us with cynicism? I definitely
agree with you (for the latter reason), but I find that this need for
something more positive and fun comes in a more listenable form when I
take a little trip back to my CDs from the early '80s or the late
'60s/early '70s. I find that the positive vibe and limitless sense of
possibilities I get from listening to, say, Hendrix, the Beatles, Love
or the Beach Boys is much stronger than the nuthin' but a good time
sort of beer-party aura that a lot of metal projects.
Whereas good '60s music seems to be about the hope of a(albeit naive)
utopianism, a lot of metal is the musical equivalent of mere escapism:
pounding beers or doing a line of coke to *forget* about problems.
>weariness or irony, and b) a regard for showmanship,
I guess showmanship (both what it is and whether you like it) are about
as subjective as it gets. When I go to a show, I just like to hear the
music.
>
>(I probably also hear 'better technique', but I honestly neither know
>nor care about that.)
I don't care much either, but I'll admit you DO usually hear better
technique. It's just the *same,* tired technique. With most '80s
metal bands, you could predict every part of the song, from the
shake-your-fist choruses to the obligatory guitar solos. And then they
started doing power ballads.
Matt P
F.B.
writes:
>
>In article <7c4pi2$d...@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com>,
> ltri...@ix.netcom.com(F.B.) wrote:
>> And if you actually think that Alternative music is defined by
what's
>> played on corporate radio, you are so out of touch with reality that
>> you barely merit a response.
>
put the
>word "alternative" is QUOTES...
>
>> is what is NOT played on major corporate radio stations!
>> In any event, the alternative music of 1990-93 was generally NOT
>> by-the-numbers corporate jigs, but the genuine article.
>
about 1995,
>but then went totally down the toilet.
>
>> want mind-numbingly tired cliches, arrangements and tasteless style,
>> look no farther than Heavy Metal -- the genre that alternative blew
off
>> the face of the earth forever more.
>
times
>dance music has come and gone. And as for tastelessness, if you
genuinely
>think that the Eve 6's of the world have any more taste than the Great
Whites
>did,
Actually, I do, although that's an excercise of distinguishing between
rotten apples and rotten oranges. I think that Eve 6 sucks, but they
do so in a pretty insignificant, ubiquitous way. I'm no fan of Great
White either, but they had all the ostentatious trappings of metal,
which puts them over the top in the bad taste department, IMO.
Matt P
F.B.
<jac...@my-dejanews.com> writes:
>eb...@netcomuk.co.uk wrote:
>
>> Curiously, though, when I listen to metal now (never having liked it
>> at the time) what I hear is a) a refreshing lack of cynicism,
>
>Yeah. In the 80s, even normal people were exciting. Even normal
people
more
>realistic 90s, normal people are just boring, and the music they
listen to
>reflects this. When I see a band like Matchbox 20, I honestly
wonder what
>I'm supposed to get out of the music. There is simply nothing there.
>There's not even fluff! There's just this annoying noise that is, I
suppose,
>technically "music" and these annoying vocals saying some annoying
words.
A simplified chart showing how it all went downhill:
The Melvins begat Nirvana; Nirvana begat Pearl Jam; Pearl Jam and
Nirvana begat Stone Temple Pilots, Collective Soul, and every other
crap alternative-inspired mainstream band of '93-96. And those crap
bands begat Eve 6, Third Eye Blind, Matchbox 20, and all the current
crap mainstream bands.
What was once fresh and new was corrupted 100X over by a greedy music
industry and those who listen to whatever MTV tells them.
Matt P
Tuomo Lindholm
own, and they never will.
They're only riding on the wave of this boring british pop scene.. it's not
rock n' roll in anymeaning.
Rock n' roll music has this energy thangy that oasis never had (or will
get).
You guys/gals are talking about alternative and you say that the bands who
have sold abt. 10000 millions of cd's are alternative ? That's not
alternative... I think that a band can be alternative in the beginning when
it has only 100 - 500 "fans" but when they get a great deal from geffen or
any other company they'll become mainstream.. suddenly all the young kids
love the band and everyone under 15 have a crush on the vocalist or the
guitarist. Then the band gets lots of airplay and the it's surely
mainstream.
... But anyway does it really matter if the band is alternative or not ? I
think that the people who say " I LISTEN TO ALTERNATIVE MUSIC AND I AM PROUD
OF IT" are completely jerks. They are wannabees.
I listen to lots of music and I play some too, I like music that I can only
see at the clubs in my hometown and sometimes I even like the songs from the
top 20.. I don't give a fuck if it's alternative or not. Neither should you
all.
If you like the band listen it.. If you don't, don't.
Who needs to be categorized,
http://www.listen.to/lambs ? is this alternative ?
Tuomo Lindholm
Geir Hongro kirjoitti viestissä <36E71693...@online.no>...
>
>
>demsa wrote:
>
>> In article <36E612...@erols.com>,
>> sham...@erols.com wrote:
>> > Now that that's in the open, I'd like to ask, who said they think
>> > they're the second coming of the Beatles, to quote you?
>>
>> Oasis :)
>
>Oasis have never seen themselves as alternative. They are very happy to
sell
>records and don't really pretend to be anything else than a rock'n'roll
band.
>They may see themselves as very important, but that's just as some kind of
>reaction against a lot of the stuff you found in early 90s alternative
American
>rock. Oasis are not the Beatles of the 90s, but they are not the Wham! of
the 90s
>either (unless Wham! were underrated, which they truly were!). I'd rather
compare
>them with Slade: Fun, noisy pop/rock songs with strong quality melodies
that
>stick in your ear.
>
>That being said I LOVE Oasis for their abilility to write exactly those
quality
>songs that stick in your ear, because after all they were the band that
>reinstated the melody in rock.
Nick Nelson
Not really "hair" metal, but I still like early Blue Oyster Cult and
Alice Cooper. I remember (barely) seeing the Cincinnati Pop festival
on TV when I was 13 or 14 - Iggy, Alice, Mountain, and maybe one or
two others (Traffic?) - when I was young and it was one of the more
rock-and-roll based life changing experiences I've had.
Dierussian
you're a fucking idiot.
--
Hrmm....sounds like the handiwork of Doctor Claw
and his evil M.A.D.D. henchmen.
This post will self-destruct.
Persi
>Still don't lump the worst examples of hair metal bands in with the few hair
>metal bands (Def Leppard, early Van Halen) that were actually quite good. I
HATE
>most hair metal, yet "Hysteria" still is a great album with me.
I'm surprised you don't like Iron Maiden or Scorpions. Both were very melodic.
--
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Joe DiMaggio
Persi
joe...@u.washington.edu says...
>In retrospect, I find myself asking, what was the wellspring for bands
>like Warrant? Say, the phenomenal success of Motley Crue's THEATER OF
>PAIN? I think their look seemed to change significantly from SHOUT AT THE
>DEVIL (image: kind of a poor man's KISS, mysterious machismo--beating up
>dudes and 'dominating' women in videos like "Looks That Kill" and "Too
>Young to Fallin Love"; music: comic-book-ish occult elements and
>hormonally-driven rock, the avatar of metal) to THEATER (seemingly more
>glam-based image, covered things like "Smokin' in the Boys Room")...
All in the name of marketing. Vince Neil, at the time, was facing manslaughter
for the drunk driving death of the guy from Hanoi Rocks and the PMRC was in
it's infant stages. The Crue simply re-hashed their looks, took out all the
satanic imagery and softened their music. Talk about selling out. It wouldn't
be the first time, though, since the only way Elektra records was gonna release
the last Motley Crue album, was if Vince Neil re-joined the band and recorded
all the vocals.
Come to think of it. Motley Crue are probably one of the best definitions of a
band 'selling out'.
>Well, "good metal" for me is Sabbath, Maiden, Priest, KISS (at their
>peak; circa DESTROYER, etc.).
I'll agree and add AC/DC, Deep Purple (the 1985 reunion album, 'Perfect
Strangers' is a masterpiece, IMO), Slayer and a few others.
Dierussian
>
> demsa wrote:
>
> > In article <36E612...@erols.com>,
> > sham...@erols.com wrote:
> > > Now that that's in the open, I'd like to ask, who said they think
> > > they're the second coming of the Beatles, to quote you?
> >
> > Oasis :)
>
> Oasis have never seen themselves as alternative. They are very happy to sell
> records and don't really pretend to be anything else than a rock'n'roll band.
> They may see themselves as very important, but that's just as some kind of
> reaction against a lot of the stuff you found in early 90s alternative American
> rock. Oasis are not the Beatles of the 90s, but they are not the Wham! of the 90s
> either (unless Wham! were underrated, which they truly were!). I'd rather compare
> them with Slade: Fun, noisy pop/rock songs with strong quality melodies that
> stick in your ear.
>
> That being said I LOVE Oasis for their abilility to write exactly those quality
> songs that stick in your ear, because after all they were the band that
> reinstated the melody in rock.
Nobody said that Oasis was, or thought they were, alternative. I simply
asked who thinks they are the second coming of the Beatles, and Oasis
fits that right on my ass. err..head.
Persi
says...
>
>On 11 Mar 1999 04:48:41 GMT, ltri...@ix.netcom.com(F.B.) wrote:
>
>>A simplified chart showing how it all went downhill:
>>
>>The Melvins begat Nirvana; Nirvana begat Pearl Jam; Pearl Jam and
>>Nirvana begat Stone Temple Pilots, Collective Soul, and every other
>>crap alternative-inspired mainstream band of '93-96. And those crap
>>bands begat Eve 6, Third Eye Blind, Matchbox 20, and all the current
>>crap mainstream bands.
>>What was once fresh and new was corrupted 100X over by a greedy music
>>industry and those who listen to whatever MTV tells them.
>>
>'alternative' (if it even was to begin with). don't know about the
>rest of you, but the format out here in the nyc has become "modern
>rock," throwing off the 'alternative' moniker. when did this happen,
>exactly? was it after the pearl jams and nirvanas? or did it take
>place with the bands who were spawned from the stps of the world?
Yeah, I notice that alot, too. Even record stores have 'modern rock' sections
as opposed to 'alternative' sections.
Persi
>Why shouldn't both be interesting?
>And even more: Why is the BACKING TRACK supposed to be so important? Because
that's
>what the instruments do, they play the backing track.
A better question is why do all of us AMA regulars STILL bother arguing with
such logic demonstrated above? *shrugs*
Persi
>
>In article <7c6rdc$h4g$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, JackieBlue says...
>>
>>Ned Raggett <nedSP...@kuci.org> wrote:
>>
>>> > I wonder how many other people can say that the day they bought Def
>>> > Leppard's "Hysteria" they also bought "UFO" by Guru Guru*?
>>>
>>> bought a Led Zeppelin and a Pet Shop Boys album the same day
>>
>>I think I bought a second copy of Dire Straits -Making Movies- the same visit
>>I bought a Flying Saucer Attack album.
>
>I smell a theme here.
>Strangest simultaneous purchases: Cream "Disraeli Gears" and Pan sonic
"Vakio."
>Got an appropriately interesting look from the counter help.
Oh man, one time I went to a used record store and picked up 7"s from
Tortoise, Hood and AMP while buying used CD's from Atari Teenage Riot, Can and
2PAC. Talk about a clash of sounds :)
Paul Wilbur
> Paul Wilbur wrote:
>
> > Nirvana can take credit in having KILLED hair bands
>
> Yes. And instead you have a bunch of guys dressing up in cheap worn-out hippie-inspired
> clothes whining with a raspy voice about how much everybody hates them and how much they
> want to take their lives. A cliche is a cliche is a cliche
So? That doen't mean that hair metal didn't deserve to die. I was into
Ratt, Twisted Sister, Cinderella, etc. back then but started listening to
Priest, Slayer, Metallica several years before Nirvana and other
"alternative" acts took all the radio airtime. I was glad to see Glam
metal die, it was played out and singing about sex, drugs and partying was
a cliche as well.
Paul
Persi
>
>OK how many of you played The Offspring "Pretty Fly"???
>
> How many of you played Johnny Lang "Lie to me" in a CLUB!!!!!
>
>or Edwin Collins "A Girl Like You", or Eagle eye cherry "save Tonight"
>
> OR the NEW SUGAR RAY SONG!!
>
> ALL GOOD DANCEABLE ROCK SONGS
>
> This is why they give us Alternantive CRAP.....DJ's play it!!!
Actually, since the only clubs I go to play techno or drum n bass, I haven't
heard any of it (except for Edwin Collins who has several great albums and the
other bands I've heard on MTV).
Dj's may play this stuff.....doesn't mean you have to listen to it. Switch to a
public radio station and hear actual 'alternative' music.
Persi
>Rock n' roll music has this energy thangy that oasis never had (or will
>get).
They had plenty of it on their debut album, 'Definitely Maybe' (still one of
the best debut albums of the 90's) and lost it all shortly after that.
MASTER
Alternative become a bad word...but alternative music changes every
month as to what is and isn't....so Alternative is just a label for the
media.....
Original music is new rock, or whatever kind of music....labels can't
use that term because they can't change the meaning to fit marketing
campaigns, so the industry has to do something....some label or
description to match the dollars they have to spend to buy time on radio
and other broadcasting/ media..
TW
Underground
Want new independent music, it's here:
keyse...@my-dejanews.com
Geir Hongro <geir...@online.no> wrote:
> That being said I LOVE Oasis for their abilility to write exactly those
quality
> songs that stick in your ear, because after all they were the band that
> reinstated the melody in rock.
>
keyse...@my-dejanews.com
cow...@NOSPAN.earthlink.net (Persi) wrote:
> In article <7c7imt$3...@edrn.newsguy.com>, paraFUCK...@hotmail.com
says...
> >
> >In article <7c6rdc$h4g$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, JackieBlue says...
> >>
> >>Ned Raggett <nedSP...@kuci.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> > I wonder how many other people can say that the day they bought Def
> >>> > Leppard's "Hysteria" they also bought "UFO" by Guru Guru*?
> >>>
> >>> This is my kind of double purchase. I still remember the day I
> >>> bought a Led Zeppelin and a Pet Shop Boys album the same day
> >>
> >>I think I bought a second copy of Dire Straits -Making Movies- the same
visit
> >>I bought a Flying Saucer Attack album.
> >
> >I smell a theme here.
> >Strangest simultaneous purchases: Cream "Disraeli Gears" and Pan sonic
> "Vakio."
> >Got an appropriately interesting look from the counter help.
>
> Oh man, one time I went to a used record store and picked up 7"s from
> Tortoise, Hood and AMP while buying used CD's from Atari Teenage Riot, Can and
> 2PAC. Talk about a clash of sounds :)
>
Ummm, other than the 2pac, i don't really see or hear a clash of sounds,
unless you're bein' goofy. The above seem fairly typical for a modern day
hip-centric rocker.