A PLANE HAS HIT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER!
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the World Trade Center!
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RossPilot
Anonymous
>
> I just saw on CNBC today that a plane has hit
> the World Trade Center!
How could something like this happen?
Was it a terrorist attack?
I can actually see the flames coming
out of the windows from the TV footage!
John Gaquin
Suppose we find that it was some Middle Eastern carrier --- wouldn't the
chat rooms have a field day with that!!!
Stephen McNaught
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RossPilot
. . terrorists.
JohnMcGrew
McNaught" <Xsmc...@xensei.com> writes:
>A second plane just hit the second tower.
Unbelievable. Saw second hit immidiately after I read ng post. 2 hits in
perfect VFR? God help us.
John
Mac
>
> A second plane just hit the second tower.
>
SHIT!! An attack?
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JerryK
737 or a 757.
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Oliver
it.
C J Campbell
reports had a plane as a Continental 737.
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JohnMcGrew
(JohnMcGrew) writes:
>God help us.
Now the Pentagon.
John
Jim Fisher
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> Yaser Arafat or Osama Bin Laden would probably have a good idea of who did
> it.
Don't be so quick, man. I made the same assumptions when I first heard
about Oklahoma City.
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Cherokee 180
Jim Fisher
flying? Can't land? Must land immediately at the closest airport? Must
continue flying until crisis is over?
What?
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Cherokee 180
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M. Mueller
may be intercepted by Guard F-16s.
If anyone is flying when all traffic has been accounted for, they may be
a target...
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RossPilot
Brien K. Meehan
The second tower has just collapsed.
Oliver
of terrorists. And it's political because The Pentagon has been struck too.
C J Campbell
over the White House.
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C J Campbell
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Joachim Feise
CNN reports (as unconfirmed) that a 747 is down in Pennsylvania.
C J Campbell
meeting. Whoever it is, let none of 'em be left alive.
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C J Campbell
front of the State Department.
Ron Natalie
Joachim Feise
Only a few terrorist organizations would probably be able to
pull something like this.
RossPilot
>Only a few terrorist organizations would probably be able to
>pull something like this.
I'd like to know how the hijackings occurred. I thought those had been pretty
much shut down since the 70s and the new security procedures in place. How to
get into the cockpit?
Les Perreaux
How good a pilot would a person have to be to fly those passenger jets into
those buildings? WOuld you have to be a experienced on big jets to do that, or
could just about any pilot manage it?
Ron Natalie
Anybody probably could get close, but as good a hit that was made, it looks
like they have some advance experience.
Wdtabor
<ol...@home.com> writes:
>
>Yaser Arafat or Osama Bin Laden would probably have a good idea of who did
>it.
>
This is terrorism's Pearl Harbor. It doesn't matter which one did it this time,
the time has come to kill all terrorists and destroy any country that willingly
harbors them.
Without exception.
Don
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK
C J Campbell
bunch of armed men and storm the plane. How could you stop it?
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Joachim Feise
That's a good question. How did they get weapons on board?
So much for airport security...
According to CNN, AA reports that 2 of their planes were involved, one
Dulles to LA, the other Boston-LA.
Dan Engleman
Dan
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JohnMcGrew
>Anybody probably could get close, but as good a hit that was made, it looks
>like they have some advance experience.
Fortunately, the one that went for the Pentagon wasn't good enough.
John
George R. Patterson III
A retired UAL pilot spoke on this issue on the local news radio. Any
pilot could do it, once the aircraft is in the air.
George Patterson, N3162Q.
Ron Natalie
Good enough. Those nearby said it hit the helipad area which is within
50 feet of the building (and very close to the route I used to take home).
George R. Patterson III
Anonymous wrote:
>
> I just saw on CNBC today that a plane has hit
> the World Trade Center!
Sorry to post, but I'm running out of ideas. My brother works for Blue
Cross, which was, I believe, in the twin towers. Anyone know where I
could find out the floor? I've run through the Yahoo yellow pages and
drawn a blank. Email appreciated.
George Patterson, N3162Q.
Steve Cantrell
acrophile
had made it to upstate New York before making a 120-degree left turn and
heading for Manhattan.
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George R. Patterson III
C J Campbell wrote:
>
> The planes could have been hijacked while still on the ground. Just get a
> bunch of armed men and storm the plane. How could you stop it?
In that case, the hijackers would have to be moderately skilled airline
pilots and speak English with little accent. If I tried to make a
departure from Boston in a 767, there would be a lot of raised eyebrows
in the tower due to my lack of familiarity with radio procedures.
George Patterson, N3162Q.
Charles K. Scott
"Dan Engleman" <dreng...@home.com> writes:
> Amen Don. I hope the B-1's are heading for Afganistan as we speak!
>
> Dan
Sorry Dan but that's just not going to do any good. All that would do
is move rock. Bin Ladin is long gone by now and won't show up again
for a while. This will take ground troops to root him out.
I hope the CIA is hanging their collective head.
Corky Scott
Robert M. Gary
Just try taxiing near the gates at some major airport!!
It wouldn't be hard for the terrorist to have received a couple
weeks of sim time in order to aim the plane at the targets.
Its not like they need to learn to take off or land.
C J Campbell
what do you care about radio procedures or permission to take off? You think
these guys would turn the transponder on and follow ATC directives? What
would we do about it, revoke their pilot certificates?
There are lots of unhappy people that could have been behind this, though.
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C J Campbell
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Martin
Great scenery, but I fear they have to update it by now.
Martin
C J Campbell
are eye candy only, placed there to make the general public feel better. The
head of Oakland International's security was telling me what a tight ship he
runs, so I asked him what he was doing to keep someone from throwing a set
of tire chains over the fence onto the metal detector on the other side of
the gate -- the magnetic detector would open the gate automatically. He just
looked at me open-mouthed. Some people might go to all the trouble of
clubbing someone to get his access card, but that seems to me to be too much
effort -- it increases your chances of detection, etc. But then a set of
wire cutters will make short work of the chain link at some blind spot on
the airport, too, though it then would be harder to bring a vehicle onto the
airport.
For that matter, the terrorists in this case were pilots. They could have
just flown in, perhaps in a small plane. Then they get out, dressed as
baggage handlers, say -- no one really takes a close look at those ID badges
anyway. I walk around airports I am visiting without any badge at all --
completely unescorted (not that a terrorist would have any qualms about
shooting his escort). They could have just packed themselves into luggage
that they loaded onto the carts after the baggage was checked and then cut
their way into the cabin after takeoff. It is only thin aluminum after all,
and the least of your concerns is damage to the airframe. You have a baggage
handler wheel a trunk over to the plane where baggage is being loaded -- it
might even have a real tag on it -- and let the real baggage handlers do the
work for you.
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George R. Patterson III
"George R. Patterson III" wrote:
>
Found it. Thanks.
George Patterson, N3162Q.
Robert M. Gary
I've seen several poor student pilots get stopped by police
after they were walking around looking for the gate.
Yes, its easy to get in the gate, but a large group of people
walking around the terminals gets attention.
C J Campbell
few seconds.
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Wdtabor
writes:
>
>That's a good question. How did they get weapons on board?
>So much for airport security...
>
They've had years to plan a way to get around those measures, it was inevitable
they would.
The way to prevent these things is not point defense, it is strategic action.
What must be done is to make engaging in terrorism or sheltering terrorists
certain death.
Steven P. McNicoll
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>
> It is extremely easy to get on to any airport. The security measures you
see
> are eye candy only, placed there to make the general public feel better.
The
> head of Oakland International's security was telling me what a tight ship
he
> runs, so I asked him what he was doing to keep someone from throwing a set
> of tire chains over the fence onto the metal detector on the other side of
> the gate -- the magnetic detector would open the gate automatically.
>
Would it? The gates at our local airport require a guarded button to be
pushed on the inside and a code on the outside.
RossPilot
>certain death.
>
Don, with all respect, it should be obvious that death does not faze zealots.
C J Campbell
there are other gates, especially at large airports. Besides, people
tailgate through these things all the time. And it still does not keep
planes from landing at the airport. The fact is that the security measures
are a huge drag on productivity, and the greater the security the greater
the drag on productivity. The economic price of foolproof security at an
airport would essentially include shutting the airport down entirely.
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C J Campbell
Turkey when they were faced with a terrorist threat. Certain terrorist
sympathizers were returned to the terrorist leaders -- with important pieces
missing. There are things worse than death.
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Steven P. McNicoll
"Wdtabor" <wdt...@aol.combackatyu> wrote in message
>
> What must be done is to make engaging in terrorism or sheltering
terrorists
> certain death.
>
I'm fairly certain suicide bombers and the like understand that already.
Charles K. Scott
Les Perreaux <Perr...@mts.net> writes:
> How good a pilot would a person have to be to fly those passenger jets into
> those buildings? WOuld you have to be a experienced on big jets to do that, or
> could just about any pilot manage it?
They'd have to be skilled enough to know the controls, how they operate
and more importantly, where New York City is and where the WTC is in
it.
Just flying the thing would not pose much of a problem once it's flying
and trimmed. They could have practiced for MONTHS on any of the flight
simulator programs that are available, and might even have the control
panel specifically configured for the airplane they would hijack.
Since most of the simulators show cities and buildings within the
cities they could practice practice practice flying the route and
hitting one of the towers.
The video of the second hit showed the airplane in a steep bank as if
it was kind of missing and having to turn sharply to align as he
approached.
My guess is that each airliner required a team to hijack it. There are
plenty of fanatics willing to give their lives for eternal bliss.
Corky Scott
Wdtabor
(RossPilot) writes:
>
>Don, with all respect, it should be obvious that death does not faze zealots.
>
>
>
I think you mean the *threat* of death does not faze zealots.
Actual death still works.
Joachim Feise
>
> Some of the gates at other airports require this, too, even at Oakland. But
> there are other gates, especially at large airports. Besides, people
> tailgate through these things all the time. And it still does not keep
> planes from landing at the airport. The fact is that the security measures
> are a huge drag on productivity, and the greater the security the greater
> the drag on productivity. The economic price of foolproof security at an
> airport would essentially include shutting the airport down entirely.
Well, expect to see this enforced now. Who cares about "economic price" now?
-Joe
RossPilot
Indeed.
C J Campbell
require billions of dollars of investment in new security equipment, new
restrictions on freedom of travel, and enormous suffering for everyone in
involved. And things will be tighter, for awhile. And then people will
relax. Until next time. But the restrictions will remain in place. There
will be less freedom. and none of the new laws would have done one thing to
prevent today's attacks.
When TWA 800 was thought to be a terrorist attack, we passed all kinds of
new laws. Fat lot of good they did us. And the OKC bombing sponsored a whole
new wave of anti-terrorist legislation. It did no good either. And every
time we pass more of these laws, make things more of a hassle for people,
take away more freedom, then we push more loonies over the edge.
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Bob Chilcoat
You still have to figure out who they are and where they are. No easy, and
killing everyone who might be a terrorist just escalates the whole thing.
Sorry, but easy answers usually aren't.
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Malcolm Teas
> And now another plane has crashed in Pittsburgh, and a car bomb went off in
> front of the State Department.
The car bomb is apparently NOT confirmed.
George R. Patterson III
C J Campbell wrote:
>
> Raised eyebrows, but nothing else. If you don't care about storming a plane,
> what do you care about radio procedures or permission to take off? You think
> these guys would turn the transponder on and follow ATC directives? What
> would we do about it, revoke their pilot certificates?
When was the last time you flew out of a major airport? Especially at
rush hour, you will not be able to reach the runway without following
ATC directives. What are they going to do, drive right over the twenty
or so aircraft on the taxiways?
George Patterson, N3162Q.
George R. Patterson III
C J Campbell wrote:
>
> George, I hope he is OK.
The Blue Cross address is building 1 - that was the first to be hit. My
mother visited him a few weeks ago and thinks it was about 20 floors up.
There's a good chance, I think.
George Patterson, N3162Q.
George R. Patterson III
"George R. Patterson III" wrote:
>
> Sorry to post, but I'm running out of ideas. My brother works for Blue
> Cross, which was, I believe, in the twin towers.
Just got word that John picked a good day to be late to work. I may
have to kill him for not thinking to call, though!
Thanks to everyone who sent mail.
George Patterson, N3162Q.
Ash Wyllie
>RossPilot wrote:
>>
>> >This requires a very good organization.
>> >Only a few terrorist organizations would probably be able to
>> >pull something like this.
>>
>> I'd like to know how the hijackings occurred. I thought those had been
>> pretty much shut down since the 70s and the new security procedures in
>> place. How to get into the cockpit?
>That's a good question. How did they get weapons on board?
>So much for airport security...
Ceramic knives.
-ash
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Peter Gottlieb
The TV footage does not come remotely close to the horror of what happened
there.
Unbelieveable.
Peter
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> Anonymous wrote:
> >
> > I just saw on CNBC today that a plane has hit
> > the World Trade Center!
>
> How could something like this happen?
> Was it a terrorist attack?
>
> I can actually see the flames coming
> out of the windows from the TV footage!
>
>
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>>So much for airport security...
Puhleeeeze! Take a look at the type of people that work the security check
points in ANY US airport. Now, does that answer your question?
Anonymous
Peter Gottlieb wrote:
>
> I was one block away when it started.
>
> The TV footage does not come remotely close to the horror of what happened
> there.
>
> Unbelieveable.
>
> Peter
Peter Gottlieb
Tired from a 6.5 mile walk, but fine (at least physically).
Peter
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Eugene A. Pallat
> IFR and VFR. See the aopa.org web page.
I phoned a friend who said he saw 4 fighters flyimg supersonic at low
level today. They were in a hurry to get somewhere.
Gene Palat
Eugene A. Pallat
> That's a good question. How did they get weapons on board?
> So much for airport security...
Minimum wage personel who aren't rocket scientists.
Gene Pallat
Eugene A. Pallat
> If I tried to make a
> departure from Boston in a 767, there would be a lot of raised eyebrows
> in the tower due to my lack of familiarity with radio procedures.
The radio procedures wouldn't be any different from one TCA to another.
CLearance delivery, ground, tower, and departure.
Gene Pallat
Dave Stadt
the weapons
they try to sneak past security are not found.
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RossPilot <ross...@aol.com> wrote:
>>This requires a very good organization.
>>Only a few terrorist organizations would probably be able to
>>pull something like this.
>
>I'd like to know how the hijackings occurred. I thought those had been pretty
>much shut down since the 70s and the new security procedures in place. How to
>get into the cockpit?
just as most security measures, they stop the normal people access, but they
wont stop the determined.
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Ron Natalie
I think George's comment is that he doesn't fly in any class B's.
George R. Patterson III
"Eugene A. Pallat" wrote:
>
> The radio procedures wouldn't be any different from one TCA to another.
>
> CLearance delivery, ground, tower, and departure.
I'm sure you're right. I wouldn't know - never been there. I wind up
visiting a controlled airport maybe once or twice a year. I brush up
on procedures before I go and *still* manage to make the controllers
aware that they have a novice at the mic.
George Patterson, N3162Q.
Eugene A. Pallat
> Tests are made on the security efforts at major airports. On average, 20% of
> the weapons
> they try to sneak past security are not found.
On one of the TV channels, someone stated that one of the airlines security
guidlines allowed knives with blades 4 inches long or less. If true, that
polocy is so stupid, it's almost beyond belief. The *average* person doesn't
realize how easy it is to kill a man with a 4 inch blade. If the attacker has
any type of martial arts training, it's effortless.
Gene Pallat
Eugene A. Pallat
> I'm sure you're right. I wouldn't know - never been there. I wind up
> visiting a controlled airport maybe once or twice a year. I brush up
> on procedures before I go and *still* manage to make the controllers
> aware that they have a novice at the mic.
Just as a friendly suggestion only, try it more offten. It's actually easier
to fly in and out of a TCA than a small uncontrolled airport - more people
watching out for you on radar and the tower.
Granted that you get more flying in and out of small fields, ther is a rare
occasional downside.
TCA's are less likely to have some interesting *incidents* that I had. I
announced turning base for Carroll County at 85 kts. then I saw someone turn
base for the same runway who then announced that. They never listened to
Unicom or looked for any other aircraft. Naturally I aborted and did a go
around.
Another time, I was downwind at another airport and an idiot in a Skymaster
enterred downwind from the left after crossing the runway at 1/2 pattern
altitude. Never once during his landing and approach did he ever use his
radio. After I landed, he never explained his reasoning for the stupidity he
demonstrated. There was no urgent need or emergency.
At another during the winter, the only plowed taxi strip was at one end of
the runway, so a back taxi was needed. I announced Nxxxxx rolling Chagrin
Falls 23. Then someone announced Nxxxxx back taxiing Chagrin Falls 23. A
successful aborted takeoff since I had barely started rolling. An instructor
came on the air and chewed out the individual for that stupidity saying,
"NEVER back taxi when someone says rolling.".
Gene Pallat
Mike O'Malley
and every where they go without ANY problems. Fine- ban knifes. Next time
it will be screw drivers, or ice picks.
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Viper56-FW
visually, and finding the tower and aiming directly at it. Without advanced
skills they would have hit the tower with the wings, or missed them
entirely. They had no second try, they hit it on the first try.
Why did we do something?? We knew something was up from upstate New York!!
"Charles K. Scott" <Charles...@dartmouth.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <3B9DE3CF...@mts.net>
> Les Perreaux <Perr...@mts.net> writes:
>
> > How good a pilot would a person have to be to fly those passenger jets
into
> > those buildings? WOuld you have to be a experienced on big jets to do
that, or
> > could just about any pilot manage it?
>
> They'd have to be skilled enough to know the controls, how they operate
> and more importantly, where New York City is and where the WTC is in
> it.
>
> Just flying the thing would not pose much of a problem once it's flying
> and trimmed. They could have practiced for MONTHS on any of the flight
> simulator programs that are available, and might even have the control
> panel specifically configured for the airplane they would hijack.
> Since most of the simulators show cities and buildings within the
> cities they could practice practice practice flying the route and
> hitting one of the towers.
>
> The video of the second hit showed the airplane in a steep bank as if
> it was kind of missing and having to turn sharply to align as he
> approached.
>
> My guess is that each airliner required a team to hijack it. There are
> plenty of fanatics willing to give their lives for eternal bliss.
>
> Corky Scott
C J Campbell
is completely disarming the American public and leaving them at the mercy of
these monsters.
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George Patterson
>
> I think the 2 most difficult things would have been locating Manhattan
> visually, and finding the tower and aiming directly at it.
Manhattan is on the east coast. It is also on the Hudson river, which is
wide enough for Henry Hudson to have sailed an unmaneuverable square
rigger up it. Finding Manhattan is a piece of cake when the visibility
is good. On Tuesday, I'd bet one could see it from 200 miles away at
17,000'. On days like that, I can see it from 90 miles away at 3,000'.
One account I read stated that one of the Boston flights followed the
river down to the city.
Once the city is located, getting to the towers would have been trivial.
You just don't realized how huge those things were.
George Patterson, N3162Q.
Viper56-FW
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Hey, I partied on the top floor not to long ago. Yes I admit you may be able
to find the city easily when close, but if they were only slightly of course
from upstate New York they may have flown nearly out of NEw York. They could
have at the least passed thier target. Then consider trying to hit the tower
dead on! It would be very easy to miss completely, or only hit the wings . .
. Jumbo jets are NOT very manuverable, and if you are flying fast?? Pilots
do this type of manuver on landing everyday day, but you don't land at
500Knots. They did seem like they almost missed it too.
Has fast were they going anyway?? Anyone??
Ron Natalie
George Patterson wrote:
> Once the city is located, getting to the towers would have been trivial.
> You just don't realized how huge those things were.
>
Not just huge, but sit pretty dang close to the southern most point on
Manhattan in an area that doesn't have any other really large buildings
for a several blocks. I never went in them, but I used to stay in the
(then) Vista at WTC and walk past the base of the towers on my way over
to Wall Street.
bit-b...@maney.org
: On one of the TV channels, someone stated that one of the airlines
: security guidlines allowed knives with blades 4 inches long or less.
I believe that this is actually an FAA mandate. Airlines and airports
are allowed to be more restrictive than that if they wish though of
course.
: If true, that polocy is so stupid, it's almost beyond belief.
Why? It seems to make pretty good sense to me considering how many
people carry blades this long on a daily basis, many of them because
they are needed in their work. It simply cuts down on the number
of people that are going to get arrested for committing a "crime"
simply by forgetting about the fact that they have to change their
daily habits before getting on an airplane.
: The *average* person doesn't realize how easy it is to kill a man
: with a 4 inch blade. If the attacker has any type of martial arts
: training, it's effortless.
And obviously you've never had any decent martial arts training.
Otherwise you would realize that *anything* can be a weapon and
that it is exceptionally easy to kill a human even *without*
any weapon at all. The only thing that is really difficult about
killing someone is overcoming the pyschological qualms about
doing so.
fpsm
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Paul Ponting
serves as a deterrant to would be passangers who may try to avoid overpower
the hijackers.
Sure, a hijacker could kill with bare hands or even a normal everyday item
like the heel of a heavy shoe, but if a hijacker was to stand up and say do
not try to overpower me or i will it you with this shoe is not much of a
deterrant, whereas the 4 inch blade woul make most passangers think twice.
Peter Duniho
news:deio7.47197$f7.55...@news02.optonline.net...
> Why did we do something?? We knew something was up from upstate New York!!
How could anyone have known? Name the last time a hijacker, after taking
over an airplane, intentionally crashed it into a building.
You must not be keeping up with the newsgroup, since this point has already
been stated umpteen-billion times already.
Pete