How about an anti-gay march in D.C.
GOD
and duncan, says...
...nonsense snipped...
> the majority of peadophiles are homosexual.
While religious political extremist frequently make that claim to defame gay
men and women, they have never been able to support it with facts. Colorado
for Family Values presented the same claim in the District Court in Colorado
in Evans v. Romer , a case reviewed by both The Colorado Supreme Court and
the US Supreme Court, but could not provide any credible evidence to
substantiate their claim.
The gay plaintiff were able to demonstrate that gay people were not involved
in the sexual abuse of children by presenting a peer reviewed scientific
study on who perpetrates child sexual abuse that was published in July 1994
Pediatrics, one of the leading medical journals in the US.
The study was conducted at the University of Colorado, the National Jewish
Center for Immunology and Respiratory Medicine, and Children's Hospital of
Denver.
Three researchers, Carole Jenny, who lead the study, Thomas Roesler, and
Kimberly Poyer examined charts of 352 children who had been evaluated for
abuse over a period of one year. The sample included 352 children, of which
276 were girls and 76 were boys. Here is how the age status of abusers
breaks down in that study.
Of the 352 children evaluated, case workers confirmed:
· 269 cases of child sexual abuse by adults.
· 74 children had been abused by perpetrators age 17 or younger.
· 9 cases in which it was impossible to identify the age of the perpetrator.
· 237 cases or 88% involved adults who were either married or in established
heterosexual relations with an adult of the opposite sex.
· 52 percent were committed by one of the child's parents living in a
traditional family environment.
· One perpetrator was identified as a "pedophile", a person who abuses
children because of a sexual preference for children.
· Two cases, only 0.7%, involved a perpetrator who could be identified as
being involved in same sex relationships. One child's mother identified her
child's perpetrator as "a lesbian". In the other the perpetrator was
identified as the man "living with" the father of the child. It was
"standard practice" in evaluating child abuse victims in emergency rooms and
clinics to ask if the perpetrator lived in a same sex relationship, or had
engaged in homosexual relations.
· In the remaining 29 percent of the cases involving adult perpetrators, it
was impossible establish whether the perpetrator was involved in
relationships with members of the same or opposite sex. Dr. Carol Jenny said
that while some people might try to argue that perhaps those unidentified
cases all involved homosexual perpetrators. "It's not very likely...those
kids [were] taken out of their homes and put into foster care because of
familial problems." The mean average age of the victim was 6.1 years.
· In 81.5 percent of the cases the victims were girls.
There are many other studies that lead to similar conclusions. Attempts to
smear gay people for child abuse distracts from authentic efforts to prevent
abuse.
Mader Afac
GOD wrote in message <6r4at4$jvq$1...@brokaw.wa.com>...
That is total BS and you know it. The APA even has a study, previously
posted herewith, showing that 60% of child molestation cases were by
homosexuals and/or bisexuals.
"Using this distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that none of the
175
adult males in their sample — all of whom were convicted in Massachusetts of
sexual assault against a child — had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual
orientation. 83 of the men (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others
(40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22
(13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth
and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex
on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this
attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who
were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180)."
47% plus 13% = 60%
--
Deadbeat Dads, Morphine Moms,
Rapists, Murderers, Sex Perverts
and other Democrats. All working
for your future!
Mader Afac RPE BSE
Executive Director LETA
DarkAngel
> That is total BS and you know it. The APA even has a study, previously
> posted herewith, showing that 60% of child molestation cases were by
> homosexuals and/or bisexuals.
What does APA stand for, and is there any possibility of bias from this
organisation?
--
a.a atheist #1172 sXe BAAWA
God is but an excuse for people's petty bigotry
"I'm so tired of all the f**ked up minds
Of all the terrorist religions
and their bulls**t lines"
- Bad Religion, "Positive Aspect of Negative Thinking"
To Reply by email: jptheria AT interlinx DOT qc DOT ca
GOD
thev...@aol.com, TheVerger, says...
>
>>Subject: Re: How about an anti-gay march in D.C.
>>From: "Mader Afac" <ma...@wcnet.net>
>>Date: 8/15/98 2:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>>Message-id:
>
>>That is total BS and you know it. The APA even has a study, previously
>>posted herewith, showing that 60% of child molestation cases were by
>>homosexuals and/or bisexuals.
Since the original hasn't shown up on my server, I'll respond to this copy
for now.
Please cite this alleged APA study! The APA says anything of the kind on
their website. Here is what they actually say:
The American Psychological Association
http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/orient.html
"Another stereotype about homosexuality is the mistaken belief
that gay men have more of a tendency than heterosexual men to
sexually molest children. There is no evidence indicating that
homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to molest children."
>>"Using this distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that none of
>
>Ummmm, can you find any research less than twenty years old?
Since I am not sure what Mader said about Groth and Birnbaum's 20 year
old study, which actually says refutes accusations that gay men sexually
abuse children, I will assme he is repeating Paul Cameron's well known
misrepresntation of it. Dr. A. Nicholas Groth, from a Sex Offender Program
at the Connecticut Department of Corrections, author of the original study,
has publically refuted and denounced Cameron's distorting of his findings
in order to promote his anti-gay agenda.
J. Northwood
wrote:
>What does APA stand for, and is there any possibility of bias from this
>organisation?
APA - American Psychological Association.
And yes, the bias is toward research and understanding of the human
psyche, rather than relying on an oft-translated, multi-interpreted,
frequently misquoted, 2,000+ year old Book of Shadows of dubious
background.
Da's why da fundies don't like 'em.
phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net
J. Northwood wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:47:55 -0500, dark...@BAAWA.org (DarkAngel)
> wrote:
>
> >What does APA stand for, and is there any possibility of bias from this
> >organisation?
>
> APA - American Psychological Association.
Does anyone know the percentage of the membership of the APA that's queer?
J. Northwood
wrote:
< snip >
>That is total BS and you know it. The APA even has a study, previously
>posted herewith, showing that 60% of child molestation cases were by
>homosexuals and/or bisexuals.
What's the full citation for this study?
>"Using this distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that none of the
>175
>adult males in their sample — all of whom were convicted in Massachusetts of
>sexual assault against a child — had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual
>orientation. 83 of the men (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others
>(40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22
>(13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth
>and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex
>on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this
>attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who
>were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180)."
Very good. You can snip something out of context and extrapolate
erroneously from there.
Now, what is the citation for this study?
>47% plus 13% = 60%
"Fixated" - pedophilic-specific, attracted only to prepubescents.
No attraction to adults. Most common admitted
orientation, heterosexual.
We have 47% non-adult-oriented (presumably) heterosexuals.
We have 40% regressed adult (admitted) heterosexuals.
Now, are the remaining 13% bisexual w/ primary focus on men, or
bisexual w/ primary focus on women? At what point on the scale do
they fit?
13% are bisexual w/r/t adult dealings.
77% are not.
Per the APA -- http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/orient.html
"Another stereotype about homosexuality is the mistaken belief
that gay men have more of a tendency than heterosexual men to
sexually molest children. There is no evidence indicating that
homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to molest children."
>Deadbeat Dads, Morphine Moms,
>Rapists, Murderers, Sex Perverts
>and other Democrats. All working
>for your future!
>Mader Afac RPE BSE
>Executive Director LETA
BTW -- change the sig next time you change the name under which you
post, "Urdee Trubble". And it's been noted that in other groups
you've posted the Onion's satirical article as "proof" of homosexual
recruitment.
DejaNews is a wonderful thing, child.
Troll again sometime soon, won't you?
Rev. Billy
>Does anyone know the percentage of the membership of the APA that's queer?
5 - 10 % just like the rest of the world!
Risqilly - http://www.risqilly.org/
L. Michael Roberts
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L. Michael Roberts
> > wrote:
> >
> > >What does APA stand for, and is there any possibility of bias from this
> > >organisation?
> >
> > APA - American Psychological Association.
>
Same as the general population I would sespect - between 5 and 10%
depending on who's numbers you use. Why not contact the APA directly
and ask?
American Psychological Association
750 First Street, NE
Washington, DC 20002
(202) 336-5500
> >
> > And yes, the bias is toward research and understanding of the human
> > psyche, rather than relying on an oft-translated, multi-interpreted,
> > frequently misquoted, 2,000+ year old Book of Shadows of dubious
> > background.
> >
> > Da's why da fundies don't like 'em.
+====================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net
Rev. Billy wrote:
> phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net wrote:
> >Does anyone know the percentage of the membership of the APA that's queer?
>
> 5 - 10 % just like the rest of the world!
>
> Risqilly - http://www.risqilly.org/
Come on, now.... The suicide rates don't reflect that many screwed up
people....
phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net
L. Michael Roberts wrote:
> phx...@pop.phnx.uswest.net wrote:
> >
> > J. Northwood wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:47:55 -0500, dark...@BAAWA.org (DarkAngel)
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >What does APA stand for, and is there any possibility of bias from this
> > > >organisation?
> > >
> > > APA - American Psychological Association.
> >
> > Does anyone know the percentage of the membership of the APA that's queer?
>
> Same as the general population I would sespect - between 5 and 10%
> depending on who's numbers you use. Why not contact the APA directly
> and ask?
> American Psychological Association
> 750 First Street, NE
> Washington, DC 20002
> (202) 336-5500
I don't know, and I doubt that anyone else does, either. Numbers will be skewed
by those attempting to legitimize homosexuality as well as those who try to
minimize same. I would expect the APA to report that they keep no accounts of
sexual preference within their ranks. Why would they? I don't know of any
organization that could tell that much about their members. Who keeps track?
Rev. Billy
>Come on, now.... The suicide rates don't reflect that many screwed up
>people....
I didn't mean to imply the other 90 -95 % were screwed up.... just
the 0.2 % you represent.
Risqilly - http://www.risqilly.org/
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demand full and equal civil rights and protection from
discrimination! Get in the faces of the hatemongers! Invade their
offices and don't leave them alone until they do!
Do it on a state level too!
And that's my opinion!
If you think there's a Jewish scapegoat on a stick who offers pie in the sky,
because of something you read in a historical NOVEL
( FICTION, get it?! ) you're delusional and schizophrenic!
Go get some therapy!
Think yours is a loving religion? See the truth revealed in all it's glory:
http://www.christiangallery.com/strategy.html
http://www.godhatesfags.com/faq.html
http://revwhite.bestsites.net
http://www.religioustolerance.org/cr_ident.htm
"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage
which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge
to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was
his fight against the Jewish poison." - Adolph Hitler
"...set fire to their synagogues or schools and bury and cover with dirt
whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder
GOD
says...
>posted herewith, showing that 60% of child molestation cases were by
>homosexuals and/or bisexuals.
Do name the study and provide quotes. Here is what the American
Psychological Association says on its website.....
http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/orient.html
"Another stereotype about homosexuality is the mistaken
belief that gay men have more of a tendency than heterosexual
men to sexually molest children. There is no evidence
indicating that homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals
to molest children. "
>"Using this distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that none of the
>175
>adult males in their sample — all of whom were convicted in Massachusetts
of
>sexual assault against a child — had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual
>orientation. 83 of the men (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others
>(40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22
>(13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group,
Groth
>and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in
sex
>on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this
>attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men
who
>were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180)."
>
Do re-read the first and last sentance of the quote you posted above from
Nicholas Groth's study. It says that NONE of the child abusers it studied
were gay men.
"Using this distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that
none of the 175 adult males in their sample — all of whom were convicted
in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child — had an exclusively
homosexual adult sexual >orientation."
AND
"There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other
adult males..."
The quote that YOU provided sinks your claim that gay men abuse children.
James Doemer
Mader Afac wrote in message <6r4lkn$dqg$1...@news12.ispnews.com>...
>>
>>?74 children had been abused by perpetrators age 17 or younger.
>>
>>?9 cases in which it was impossible to identify the age of the
>perpetrator.
>>
>>?237 cases or 88% involved adults who were either married or in
>established
>>heterosexual relations with an adult of the opposite sex.
>>
>>traditional family environment.
>>
>>?One perpetrator was identified as a "pedophile", a person who abuses
>>children because of a sexual preference for children.
>>
>>being involved in same sex relationships. One child's mother identified
her
>>child's perpetrator as "a lesbian". In the other the perpetrator was
>>identified as the man "living with" the father of the child. It was
>>"standard practice" in evaluating child abuse victims in emergency rooms
>and
>>clinics to ask if the perpetrator lived in a same sex relationship, or had
>>engaged in homosexual relations.
>>
>it
>>was impossible establish whether the perpetrator was involved in
>>relationships with members of the same or opposite sex. Dr. Carol Jenny
>said
>>that while some people might try to argue that perhaps those unidentified
>>cases all involved homosexual perpetrators. "It's not very likely...those
>>kids [were] taken out of their homes and put into foster care because of
>>familial problems." The mean average age of the victim was 6.1 years.
>>
>>
>>There are many other studies that lead to similar conclusions. Attempts to
>>smear gay people for child abuse distracts from authentic efforts to
>prevent
>>abuse.
>>
>>
>>
>
>That is total BS and you know it. The APA even has a study, previously
>posted herewith, showing that 60% of child molestation cases were by
>homosexuals and/or bisexuals.
>
That study has been debunked, it was not put out by the APA, it is in
total contradiction to what the APA says on their website. The poster
was written off as a troll some time ago.
>"Using this distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that none of the
>175
>adult males in their sample ?all of whom were convicted in Massachusetts of
>sexual assault against a child ?had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual
>orientation. 83 of the men (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others
>(40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22
>(13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group,
Groth
>and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in
sex
>on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this
>attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men
who
>were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180)."
>
>
>47% plus 13% = 60%
>--
Read, researched, and debunked.. Next!!
Fish
cited author.]
Mader Afac posted the following BULLSHIT to alt.atheism:
[snip]
> That is total BS and you know it.
You're the liar Mr. Mader Afac.
> The APA even has a study, previously
> posted herewith, showing that 60% of child molestation cases were by
> homosexuals and/or bisexuals.
Which is a outright, bald-faced *lie*.
> "Using this distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that none of the 175
> adult males in their sample — all of whom were convicted in Massachusetts of
> sexual assault against a child — had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual
> orientation. 83 of the men (47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others
> (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22
> (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth
> and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex
> on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this
> attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who
> were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180)."
>
>
> 47% plus 13% = 60%
You sir, are a dishonest liar and a contemptible human being for
purposely spreading misleading information.
Try reading the *entire* report that you're referencing, without
selectively leaving out the parts that don't tend to support your case,
and the picture one sees looks *completely different* from the one
you're trying to paint.
The paragraph *immediately preceding* your out-of-context quote above is
as follows:
"Similarly, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) categorized child molesters as
either fixated or regressed (see also Groth, Hobson, & Gary, 1982).
Fixated offenders never developed an adult sexual orientation of any
sort, whereas regressed molesters have done so. Thus, regressed
molesters can be adult homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals. But it
is meaningless to speak of fixated molesters in these terms — they are
attracted to children, not to men or women."
Therefore, the actual percentage of homosexuals in your 47% is *zero*
since, as stated, those 47% were classified as "fixated" and the fixated
offenders never developed an adult sexual orientation of any sort. It's
the sexually *regressed* molester that *might* be either homosexuals,
heterosexuals, *OR* bisexuals. The percentages you made up came from
your own biased and obviously prejudiced mind.
Furthermore, the 13% you're categorizing as homosexual are actually
bisexual and not homosexual as you want to make them out to be. Indeed,
what you quote even states so quite plainly:
"Of the last [bisexual] group [...] in no case did this attraction to
men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who were
primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..."
Hell, even the first damn *sentence* of the paragraph you quoted clearly
states that *NONE* of those studied were *exclusively* homosexual.
Finally, the *very next paragraph* following your out-of-context quote
states:
"Another researcher took a different perspective. Dr. Carole Jenny
reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused
children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver
children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June
30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in only 2 of the 269
cases in which an adult molester could be identified (less than 1% of
the cases)."
Thus, any non-prejudiced, clear-minded, reasonable and rational person
would concur with Dr. Herek's conclusion that:
"The empirical research on adult sexual orientation and molestation of
children does *NOT* show that gay men are any more likely than
heterosexual men to molest children."
Try being *honest* and *truthful* next time you invertebrate wax-head.
>:(
(For those interested, Dr. Gregory M. Herek's entire report can be found
at the University of California, Davis Psychology department's web page
at: <http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html>)
(A copy of the above referenced web page follows my signature below)
--
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Alt.Atheism #623
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Facts About Homosexuality and Child Molestation
Historically, lynchings of Black men who were falsely accused of raping
White women have been common. And Jews in the Middle Ages were accused
of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. In a similar
fashion, gay people are often portrayed as a threat to society's most
vulnerable members.
When Anita Bryant campaigned successfully in 1977 to repeal a Dade
County (FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-gay discrimination, she named her
organization "Save Our Children," and warned that "a particularly
deviant-minded [gay] teacher could sexually molest children" (Bryant,
1977, p. 114).
The number of Americans who believe the accusation that gay men and
women are child molesters appears to be decreasing. For example, Gallup
poll data in 1992 indicated that 41% of Americans would allow gay people
to be elementary school teachers, compared to 27% in 1977 (Colasanto,
1989). Nevertheless, many of the remaining 59% probably continued to
accept the stereotype.
Whenever we evaluate research on child molestation, our task is
complicated by several problems. One problem involves sampling. Most
studies in this area have been conducted only with convicted
perpetrators, so they exclude child molesters who were not prosecuted or
convicted. As a result, any profile that we try to construct of child
molesters may not necessarily describe molesters who have not been
caught.
A second problem concerns terminology. Sexual abuse of male children by
adult men1 is often referred to as "homosexual molestation," which
implies that the perpetrator is himself gay or has a homosexual
orientation. Usually, however, the adjectives "homosexual" and
"heterosexual" really refer to the victim's gender in relation to that
of the perpetrator, not to the perpetrator's sexual orientation.
The distinction between gender of victim and sexual orientation of
perpetrator is important because many child molesters have never
developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other
adults, either men or women. Recognizing this fact, Finkelhor and Araji
(1986) proposed that discussions of the sexual attractions of
perpetrators should be conceptualized along a continuum ranging in
degrees from exclusive interest in children to exclusive interest in
adult partners.
Similarly, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) categorized child molesters as
either fixated or regressed (see also Groth, Hobson, & Gary, 1982).
Fixated offenders never developed an adult sexual orientation of any
sort, whereas regressed molesters have done so. Thus, regressed
molesters can be adult homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals. But it
is meaningless to speak of fixated molesters in these terms — they are
attracted to children, not to men or women.
Using this distinction, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that none of the
175 adult males in their sample — all of whom were convicted in
Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child — had an exclusively
homosexual adult sexual orientation. 83 of the men (47%) were classified
as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult
heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult
bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their
adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as
with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their
preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually
attracted to other adult males..." (p.180).
Another researcher took a different perspective. Dr. Carole Jenny
reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused
children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver
children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June
30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in only 2 of the 269
cases in which an adult molester could be identified (less than 1% of
the cases).
Do Any Studies Show That Homosexuals Are More Likely To Molest Children?
One individual has claimed to have data that prove homosexuals to be
child molesters at a higher rate than heterosexuals. In a 1985 article
published in Psychological Reports, Paul Cameron purported to review
published data to answer the question, "Do those who commit homosexual
acts disproportionately incorporate children into their sexual
practices?" (p. 1227). He concluded that "at least one-third of the
sexual attacks upon youth are homosexual" (p. 1228) and that "those who
are bi- to homosexual are proportionately much more apt to molest youth"
than are heterosexuals (p. 1231).
Cameron's findings are based on his assumption that all male-male
molestations were committed by homosexuals. Moreover, a careful reading
of Cameron's paper reveals several false statements about the literature
he claimed to have reviewed.
For example, he cited the Groth and Birnbaum (1978) study mentioned
previously as evidencing a 3:2 ratio of "heterosexual" (i.e., female
victim) to "homosexual" (i.e., male victim) molestations, and he noted
that "54% of all the molestations in this study were performed by
bisexual or homosexual practitioners" (p. 1231). However, Groth and
Birnbaum reported that none of the men in their sample had an
exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation, and that none of the 22
bisexual men were more attracted to adult males than to adult females.
Cameron's 54% statistic does not appear anywhere in the Groth and
Birnbaum (1978) article, nor does Cameron explain its derivation.
It also is noteworthy that, although Cameron assumed that all male-male
molestations were committed by homosexuals, he assumed that not all
male-female molestations were committed by heterosexuals. He
incorporated a "bisexual correction" into his data manipulations to
increase further his estimate of the risk posed to children by
homosexual/bisexual men.
In the latter half of his paper, Cameron considered whether "homosexual
teachers have more frequent sexual interaction with their pupils" (p.
1231). Based on 30 instances of sexual contact between a teacher and
pupil reported in ten different sources published between 1920 and 1982,
Cameron concluded that "a pupil would appear about 90 times more likely
to be sexually assaulted by a homosexual practitioner" (p. 1232); the
ratio rose to 100 times when Cameron added his bisexual correction.
This ratio is meaningless because no data were obtained concerning the
actual sexual orientation of the teachers involved; as before, Cameron
assumed that male-male contacts were perpetrated by homosexuals.
Furthermore, Cameron's rationale for selecting particular sources
appears to have been completely arbitrary. He described no systematic
method for reviewing the literature, and apparently never reviewed the
voluminous literature on the sexual development of children and
adolescents. His final choice of sources appears to have slanted his
findings toward what Cameron described as "the relative absence in the
scientific literature of heterosexual teacher-pupil sexual events
coupled with persistent, albeit infrequent, homosexual teacher-pupil
sexual interactions" (p. 1232).
A subsequent paper by Cameron and others (Cameron, Proctor, Coburn,
Forde, Larson, & Cameron, 1986) described data collected in a door-to-
door survey in seven U.S. cities and towns, and generally repeated the
conclusions reached in Cameron (1985). As before, male-male sexual
assaults were referred to as "homosexual" molestations (e.g., Abstract,
p.327) and the perpetrators' sexual orientation apparently was not
assessed.
This study also suffers from severe methodological problems: The
sampling methods were not adequately described; the representativeness
of the sample is highly doubtful; the locations for data collection
(Omaha [NE], Los Angeles [CA], Denver [CO], Washington [DC], Louisville
[state not specified], Bennett [NE], and Rochester [NY]) appear to have
been selected solely on the basis of convenience (see Brown & Cole,
1985, for a detailed critique). In addition, because the response rate
appears to have been unacceptably low, the sample does not permit
generalizations from the data to any larger population.
In summary, the findings reported in the papers by Cameron et al. cannot
be considered valid. The work is too methodologically flawed.
Conclusion
The empirical research on adult sexual orientation and molestation of
children does not show that gay men are any more likely than
heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to suggest that
molestations of children by adult homosexual men never occur. They do.
But molesting children has nothing to do with whether a man is
heterosexual or homosexual.
Note
1. Sexual abuse by women appears to be uncommon. It has most often been
documented in cases of a female accomplice assisting a male perpetrator
in procuring victims, or an adult woman seducing a young male (Erickson,
Walbek, & Seely, 1988; Finkelhor, 1984; Johnson & Shrier, 1987). Perhaps
it is not surprising, therefore, that the child molester stereotype is
applied more often to gay men than to lesbians.
Ezekiel Krahlin
H. Buttmunch's Holy Sister Of The Church Of The Immaculate Assumption)
wrote:
>All the lesbiagatrs in the country should march on Washington and
>demand full and equal civil rights and protection from
>discrimination!
Until we earn our freedom as equal-class citizens, I think we should
declare a "Hetero Shame Week", immediately following "Gay Pride Week";
here in San Francisco and in all other U.S. cities with a significant
lesbian/gay presence. That is...if we don't all get rounded up first,
and tortured in laboratory experiments, or made into wallets and
lamps.
HETERO SHAME WEEK: whereby all public display of hetero affection be
outlawed for that week. Anyone breaking that law would go to jail for
10 days, and be fined $500 (which shall be donated to one or another
les/gay rights organizations). Any hetero who can't afford the steep
fine, or time away from work...ought to heed well the advice to keep
his or her public affections under strict control, for the duration.
See how THEY (heteros) like it!
---
Let's secede from those who breed,
Make it sin to *not waste seed!
GodHates...@HetBeGone.com
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My website kicks (but never licks) butt!
http://members.xoom.com/ezekielk/
Jesus H. Buttmunch's Sister, Most Innocent, Holy And Cute
ezek...@my-dejanews.com (Ezekiel Krahlin) wrote:
>On 16 Aug 1998 11:12:34 PDT, jesussis...@assumption.org
(Jesus
>H. Buttmunch's Holy Sister Of The Church Of The Immaculate
Assumption)
>wrote:
>
>>All the lesbiagatrs in the country should march on Washington and
>>demand full and equal civil rights and protection from
>>discrimination!
>
>Until we earn our freedom as equal-class citizens, I think we
should
>declare a "Hetero Shame Week", immediately following "Gay Pride
Week";
>here in San Francisco and in all other U.S. cities with a
significant
>lesbian/gay presence. That is...if we don't all get rounded up
first,
>and tortured in laboratory experiments, or made into wallets and
>lamps.
If GLC ( good loving xtian ) Spitz and his friends had their way.
>HETERO SHAME WEEK: whereby all public display of hetero affection
be
>outlawed for that week. Anyone breaking that law would go to jail
for
>10 days, and be fined $500 (which shall be donated to one or
another
>les/gay rights organizations). Any hetero who can't afford the
steep
>fine, or time away from work...ought to heed well the advice to
keep
>his or her public affections under strict control, for the
duration.
>See how THEY (heteros) like it!
It's not that I mind straight people, as long as they act gay in
public. :)
*The* Didaskalos
== In article <199808151902...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
== thev...@aol.com, TheVerger, says...
== >
== >>Subject: Re: How about an anti-gay march in D.C.
The KKK already marched in DC in the 20s, IIRC.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Our thought for the day, a lesson from history:
"All members of the SS and police must be in the forefront of
the fight to eliminate homosexuality from the German people."
-- Heinrich Himmler, March 7, 1942 Memorandum.
(Imperial War Museum, London, H/6/165)
Are you a political or religious Conservative?
Remember this: those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
Don No-Soul Simpson
Chyrl) wrote:
>In article <35d7f6b1...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>, ezek...@my-dejanews.com says...
>>On 16 Aug 1998 11:12:34 PDT, jesussis...@assumption.org (Jesus
>>H. Buttmunch's Holy Sister Of The Church Of The Immaculate Assumption)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>All the lesbiagatrs in the country should march on Washington and
>>>demand full and equal civil rights and protection from
>>>discrimination!
>>
>>Until we earn our freedom as equal-class citizens, I think we should
>>declare a "Hetero Shame Week", immediately following "Gay Pride Week";
>>here in San Francisco and in all other U.S. cities with a significant
>>lesbian/gay presence. That is...if we don't all get rounded up first,
>
>You've finally began to see the light.
>
>>and tortured in laboratory experiments, or made into wallets and
>>lamps.
>>
>Ahh...the poor criminal is whining.
>
>>HETERO SHAME WEEK: Hetero's with commit violent acts
>>against gays to make up for coddling them as long as
>>they have.
>
>Dimas Nava is in love with you, Zeke.
Dimas Nava loves it up the ass.
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>
> On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:53:01 -0400, bac...@dead.dolphinxz.com (B.A.
> Chyrl) wrote:
>
> >In article <35d7f6b1...@nntp.sj.bigger.net>, ezek...@my-dejanews.com says...
> >>On 16 Aug 1998 11:12:34 PDT, jesussis...@assumption.org (Jesus
> >>H. Buttmunch's Holy Sister Of The Church Of The Immaculate Assumption)
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>All the lesbiagatrs in the country should march on Washington and
> >>>demand full and equal civil rights and protection from
> >>>discrimination!
> >>
> >>Until we earn our freedom as equal-class citizens, I think we should
> >>declare a "Hetero Shame Week", immediately following "Gay Pride Week";
> >>here in San Francisco and in all other U.S. cities with a significant
> >>lesbian/gay presence. That is...if we don't all get rounded up first,
> >
> >You've finally began to see the light.
> >
> >>and tortured in laboratory experiments, or made into wallets and
> >>lamps.
> >>
> >Ahh...the poor criminal is whining.
> >
> >>HETERO SHAME WEEK: Hetero's with commit violent acts
> >>against gays to make up for coddling them as long as
> >>they have.
> >
> >Dimas Nava is in love with you, Zeke.
>
> Dimas Nava loves it up the ass.
Dimas Nava loves it up Gareth Slinn's ass.
Ezekiel Krahlin
wrote:
>Attempts to smear gay people for child abuse distracts
>from authentic efforts to prevent abuse.
No truer words have I seen spoken in a long time! It seems the most
outspoken homophobes are also the most likely to abuse children. The
violence in their epithets indicate just such a personality. They
scream "pedophiles! pedophiles!" at gay people (their scapegoats) so
loudly, one must conclude these are psychos confessing their own
guilts to the public, for they cannot bear to live in such shame
unknown. It is an unconscious revelation whereby one's conscience
speaks up for them...in ways their conscience doesn't even recognize.
They are walking advertisments proclaiming "Arrest me! Arrest me! I'm
a dangerous and ugly man...I sexually abuse innocent children!"
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Are we mice or are we men?
Are we gay or Thracian?
john and duncan
GOD wrote in message <6r4at4$jvq$1...@brokaw.wa.com>...
>In article <6r49cn$h0t$1...@heliodor.xara.net>, john...@globalnet.co.uk, john
>and duncan, says...
disagree with this pure statemant of fact does not make it nonsense. you
came into being because of a sexual congress between your mother and father
and not between your father and his homosexual lover. sodomy causes bum ache
and the net result is buggerall. as you become older and more depressed with
the fact that the arse injected death sentence (AIDS) is coming closer to
you, you will congregate with other old poofs at the local sewage output and
see if you can spot your children in the outflow. peadophiles in england
kidnapped a youth off the streets of london and subjected him to three weeks
of sodomy and other abuses before killing him. for some strange reason they
were only convicted of manslaughter. all seven men were admitted
homosexuals. there have been and are other cases of a similar nature under
sub judicae at the present moment here in england. the best part of your
perversion is that your children will never become homo's. JOHN
>
>· 74 children had been abused by perpetrators age 17 or younger.
>
>· 9 cases in which it was impossible to identify the age of the
perpetrator.
>
>· 237 cases or 88% involved adults who were either married or in
established
>heterosexual relations with an adult of the opposite sex.
>
>traditional family environment.
>
>· One perpetrator was identified as a "pedophile", a person who abuses
>children because of a sexual preference for children.
>
>being involved in same sex relationships. One child's mother identified her
>child's perpetrator as "a lesbian". In the other the perpetrator was
>identified as the man "living with" the father of the child. It was
>"standard practice" in evaluating child abuse victims in emergency rooms
and
>clinics to ask if the perpetrator lived in a same sex relationship, or had
>engaged in homosexual relations.
>
it
>was impossible establish whether the perpetrator was involved in
>relationships with members of the same or opposite sex. Dr. Carol Jenny
said
>that while some people might try to argue that perhaps those unidentified
>cases all involved homosexual perpetrators. "It's not very likely...those
>kids [were] taken out of their homes and put into foster care because of
>familial problems." The mean average age of the victim was 6.1 years.
>
>
>There are many other studies that lead to similar conclusions. Attempts to