My Straight household vs. my Gay Household
lac...@webtv.net
The Fundementalist Christian-Right says that being Heterosexual and
living in a heterosexual household is much better and much more happier
and fulfilling than being Gay and living in a Gay Household.
To dispute their claims, I am going to get personal and describe my two
households, the straight household that I grew up in, and the Gay
household that I now Live in.
- In my straight, heterosexual household, the household that I grew up
in, there was alot of yelling, screaming, argueing, cussing, and
furnishings being thrown around. In my straight household, I constantly
heard my father calling my mother a "big fat Bitch", my mother was
constantly telling me that my Father is a no good crazy piece of s--t,
and that I was going to grow up to be just like him. In my straight
household, I can't even remember any moments where my parents said
anything good to each other, they NEVER called each other "honey" "dear"
or "sweetie". I dont't even remember seeing my parents kiss. I NEVER saw
them hold hands, cuddle on the couch, or any of that other "family"
fantasy stuff that they show on television. They spent most of their time
sleeping in seperate bedrooms. In my straight househld, we never had
barbecues, or birthday parties, we never went out bowling, rollerskating,
on picnics or to disneyland or Six Flags Great Adventure. We never ate
dinner at the table, instead we ate in seperate rooms with TV trays. In
my Straight household, we didn't celebrate holidays, we didn't decorate
out house with a Christmas tree in December, easter eggs in April, flags
in July, or with gobblins in October. And on Christmas, we didn't get as
many presents as other kids did. out presents were not under a tree,
instead they were kept in a corner of the Den until Dec 25th. In my
straight household, Thanksgiving was just another day. we didn't bake a
big turkey and have relatives over (only once we went to a relatives
house when I was very small) And on Independence day, while other
families were barbecueing and eating outside with relatives, we just ate
in our seperate rooms like any other day. We went to a Pentacostal
church for a little while (for about 2 months), but it didn't do anything
to better the situation. During my teen years in my Straight household,
the police were constantly over my house to settle arguements and
disputes. My older half-brother (my mothers other son) became involved in
physical fights between himself and my father. One time A cop tried to
break up a fight between my Father & Brother and the cop slid on a puddle
of motor oil that was spilled in the garage. Then several weeks later,
the cop who slid was trying to sue us for damages. He claim he hurt
himself when he slid. He wanted to sue us for over $200,000 and his wife
wanted to sue us for $5,000 because she claimed that her husband couldn't
"perform" in the bed. My younger brother began to act out in school and
around his friends, he began to yell, scream, and throw things in school.
He was later put into a child psychiatric ward for several months and
given drugs to "cure" his "condition" My parents later divorced, but the
problems didn't end there. We were constantly going to family court over
Child support disputes. I was being dragged back & forth to court until
my 21st birthday. The problems didn't end there, my mother couldn't
forget about the past, so she kept reminding me about everything that my
Father did to her, and kept telling me that I'm just like him. Everytime
I did something wrong, or made the tinyest mistake, she kept on tellig me
"You're just like your g-d d-mn Father. I eventually got sick of the
verbal abuse and moved out.
- Now I live in a Gay household with my boyfriend/lover/companion (or
whatever you wanna call him) We have been together for over 5 years. In
my Gay household, there is NO yelling, NO screaming, no namecalling,
there are no cops coming over to my Gay household to settle arguements.
In my Gay household, we don't argue, when we disagree, we talk it out and
listen to each other and exchange ideas instead of YELLING, & SCREAMING,
and namecalling like my parents did in my Straight household. In my Gay
householdThere is NO VIOLENCE, we DO NOT throw furnishings around. In my
Gay household, me and my significant other show affection, the kind of
affection that my parents NEVER showed infront of me. In my Gay
household, we go out on picnics, bowling, rollerblading. We have
barbecues in our back yard and invite other Gay couples and some straight
couples to dine with us. In my Gay household, we celebrate birthdays,
and holidays, including Christmas, and yes, on occasion we even go to
church (a Gay friendly Church of course) On Thanksgivingn Day in my Gay
household, we cook a BIG turkey, along with macaroni, potato salad,
candyapple, rice, mashed potatoes, yams, stuffing, and a sweet potatoe
pie, and we have our friends over My Gay household is quiet and
peaceful.
Now, which household would you rather live in??
Some Fundementalist critics may be saying that my enviroment growing up
may have caused me to be Gay. If that true, then why is my younger
brother straight??? My younger brother was much more affected by the
situation than I was. He acted out, became depressed and ended up in an
institution, not me. He threatened to kill himself, not me. I was cool,
When my parents argued, I put on my walkman headphones and tried to
ignore it, I went out for a walk, or stayed at a friends house. I had
hope of a better future, I knew that the yelling & screaming wasn't going
to last forever. I have Gay friends that grew up in the "Donna Reed"
"Leave it to Beaver" "Cosby" types of homes (the small few that still
exist today), why are they Gay? My lover/boyfriend/companion even grew
up in the ideal Television household like "Leave it to Beaver", WHY IS HE
GAY???!!!
Also, the Fundementalist blame the Gay & Lesbian community for the
breakdown of the family. Now, I DO NOT remember any Gay or Lesbian person
or group telling my parents to argue, or forcing them to argue, yell,
scream, cuss, or throw and break things. - Do the Fundementalist's
believe that gay people cause straight people to argue. -Do Gay people
cause straight men to beat their wives??? -Do gay people cause straight
people to cheat on their spouces??? -Do Gay people cause straight people
to go to divorce court and divorce their spouces??? -Do Gay people cause
fathers to abandon their children and not pay child support???
The Fundementalist should think again defore they blame the Gay & Lesbian
community for the degregation of the American Family!
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todd
Praise God
You have come past a very difficult childhood to become a very
functional adult. Your homosexuality has nothing to do with your up
bringing. The fact that somewhere and some how you developed values that
allow you to have a healthy relationship is wonderful.
Many people, not just fundlementalist, have a misconception that gay
people cause and have unhealthy relationships. That is truely wrong and
no statistic supports that.
Anyone here that can find a statistic that has not been done by a far
right organization and that would stand up to accepted practices for
gathering data, please post it. I would like to see.
lexKY
lac...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> The Fundementalist Christian-Right says that being Heterosexual and
> living in a heterosexual household is much better and much more happier
> and fulfilling than being Gay and living in a Gay Household.
>
> To dispute their claims, I am going to get personal and describe my two
> households, the straight household that I grew up in, and the Gay
> household that I now Live in.
I would like to congradulate you on surviving your developmental years
and your sucessful relationship & happiness. All to many of us have been
where you once were. The survival has made our current lives so much
more richer & blessed. It is a touching story, well told and I thank you
for sharing it.
Walt.
Apuleius
lac...@webtv.net wrote to and alt.politics.homosexuality:
== physical fights between himself and my father. One time A cop tried to
== break up a fight between my Father & Brother and the cop slid on a puddle
== of motor oil that was spilled in the garage. Then several weeks later,
A genuine greased pig.
== the cop who slid was trying to sue us for damages. He claim he hurt
== himself when he slid. He wanted to sue us for over $200,000 and his wife
== wanted to sue us for $5,000 because she claimed that her husband couldn't
== "perform" in the bed. My younger brother began to act out in school and
Did he get anything.? Did his wife get anything, or is she still
horney?
== "You're just like your g-d d-mn Father. I eventually got sick of the
== verbal abuse and moved out.
My grandfather was apparently a drunkard and occasional wife beater.
My mother told us how she once cracked a crockery bowl over his head
when he was beating grandmother. From what I remember of grandma's
extremely sour disposition, I don't know how much of the blame should
be allocated to him, but perhaps she was soured only through her
marriage to him. He lived separately from grandma, and I think nobody
in the family had any contact with him for perhaps 40 years, not even
going to his funeral. The only "contact" I remember mentioned was that
once somebody drove through the neighborhood where he was reported to
live and saw him sitting on the front steps of a house.
In illustration of grandma's sourness, when one of my aunts, who was
in the navy, was made pregnant by a sailor, my mother and an aunt
living on the farm wanted her to have the child and offered to help
raise it. Grandma and two other aunts insisted she get rid of it.
After getting rid of the child (not abortion, but adoption), the aunt
went into the Naval hospital for mental problems, and she's been
afflicted with them from time to time for forty years afterward. The
aunts who insisted whe give up the child were, incidentally, great
fans of Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan. Grandma moved in with us and
was so sour that she refused to eat my mother's cooking, calling it
"crap" as I recall.
==
== Some Fundementalist critics may be saying that my enviroment growing up
== may have caused me to be Gay. If that true, then why is my younger
== brother straight??? My younger brother was much more affected by the
== situation than I was. He acted out, became depressed and ended up in an
== institution, not me. He threatened to kill himself, not me. I was cool,
I was rather surprised when I learned that my brother was gay, for he
always seemed to have plenty of female friends in high school. The
only real family problem we've had in that was from a brother-in-law.
I'm not sure what suspicions he had, but at some point when AIDS
hysteria was pretty high, we suddenly found out that we weren't
invited to the traditional Christman celebration one year. (That same
brother-in-law also stopped having my Navy aunt and her black female
roomate over, deciding he didn't want any blacks in his house.) Then
his son came out as gay. I don't know what came about that he
disclosed it, but it sure changed my brother-in-law's attitude. We
don't talk about sexuality, but we're again invited to family
functions at his house. (He still doesn't want blacks in his house,
however. Incidentally, he's a fundamentalist Lutheran and very active
in his church.)
Gays pop up in surprising places. My niece, the bigot's daughter (and
my goddaughter), married a guy who has a gay brother. His brother was
had a high position in the operation of a New York modern dance group,
in which he danced at one time.
My brother once spotted a different uncle going into a well known gay
tearoom in downtown Milwaukee, and I remember how "friendly" that
uncle would get due to the sherry he drank while he cooked holiday
dinners to which our family was invited. (And they always told us our
poor aunt only had one child because of "back trouble.")
As for my Navy aunt and her black roommate, I can't say there's
anything whatever sexual in their relationship, though they've been
living together over 20 years. There certainly aren't any indications
that it's anything more than friendship. In addition to my aunt's
bouts of mental trouble, her roommate has quirks, and perhaps they
just complement each other and get along well together, putting up
with each other's faults in a way that no completely "normal" roomate
would.
Fundamentalism wants the world to be a combination of Ozzie and
Harriet and Lawrence Welk, but the real world just doesn't work that
way.
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lac...@webtv.net
In article <345242ae...@omnifest.uwm.edu>,
alg...@Somnifest.uwm.edu (Apuleius) wrote:
>
> lac...@webtv.net wrote
>
> > physical fights between himself and my
> > father. One time A cop tried to break up a
> > fight between my Father & Brother and the
> > cop slid on a puddle of motor oil that was
> > spilled in the garage. Then several weeks
> > later,
> A genuine greased pig.
> > the cop who slid was trying to sue us for
> > damages. He claim he hurt himself when he
> > slid. He wanted to sue us for over $200,000 > > and his wife wanted to sue us for $5,000
> > because she claimed that her husband
> > couldn't "perform" in the bed.
> Did he get anything.? Did his wife get
> anything?
No, apparently the cop and his wife must have given up because we never
heard anything about the lawsuit or anything else from them again. We
went to court once and there was some testimony, but we were never called
back. That was over 15 years ago.
Gordon Charrick
Obviously, your parents weren't "real christians". :-)
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lac...@webtv.net
In article <6326se$2kf$1...@news.smart.net>,
g...@DELsmart.netETE wrote:
>
> Obviously, your parents weren't "real
christians". :-)
Most aren't.
Shawn Hicks
lac...@webtv.net wrote:
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Please do not post this stuff to soc.motts. It does not belong
in this group.
Show a little courtesy and start your flamewars somewhere else.
Followups re-directed out of:
alt.journalism.gay-press,
soc.motss,
alt.christnet.christianlife,
alt.religion.christian,
alt.society.conservatism
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Shawn Hicks
http://www.wizard.com/~balistik
lac...@webtv.net
In this article I am going to expose the TRUTH about the Heterosexual
lifestyle. I grew up in a Heterosexual household with straight
heterosexual parents and siblings and I saw the inside truth about the
heterosexual lifestyle.
For me, It was a very horrific experience and I am going to tell my
story and expose the TRUTH about the Straight lifestyle and the
heterosexual agenda.
In the Heterosexual household that I grew up in, there was alot of
yelling, screaming, argueing, cussing, and furnishings being thrown
around. In this straight household, I constantly heard my father calling
my mother a "big fat Bitch", my mother was constantly telling me that my
Father is a no good crazy piece of s--t, and that I was going to grow up
to be just like him. In this heterosexual household, I can't even
remember any moments where my parents said anything good to each other,
they NEVER called each other "honey" "dear" or "sweetie", that was a
fantasy that you only see on TV. I don't even remember seeing my parents
kiss. I NEVER saw them hold hands, cuddle on the couch, or any of that
other "family" fantasy stuff that the heterosexual doctrinists show on
television. They spent most of their time sleeping in seperate bedrooms.
In the heterosexual househld I grew up in, we barely had backyard
barbecues, and when we did, there was alot of yelling and screaming about
how to cook, what to cook, the tempature of the fire, etc... We never
went out bowling, rollerskating, or on picnics. We barely ate dinner at
the table together like the heterosexuals do on TV,instead we ate in
seperate rooms on TV trays. During my teen years in this Straight
household I grew up in, the police were constantly over my house to
settle arguements and disputes. My older half-brother (my mothers other
son) became involved in physical fights between himself and my father.
One time A cop tried to break up a fight between my Father & Brother and
the cop slid on a puddle of motor oil that was spilled in the garage.
Then several weeks later, the cop who slid was trying to sue us for
damages. He claim he hurt himself when he slid. He wanted to sue us for
over $200,000 and his wife wanted to sue us for $5,000 because she
claimed that her husband couldn't "perform" in the bed. My younger
brother began to act out in school and around his friends, he began to
yell, scream, and throw things in school. He was later put into a child
psychiatric ward for several months and given drugs to "cure" his
"condition" My heterosexual parents later divorced, but the problems
didn't end there. We were constantly going to family court over Child
support disputes. I was being dragged back & forth to court until my 21st
birthday. The problems didn't end there, my mother couldn't forget about
the past, so she kept reminding me about everything that my Father did to
her, and kept telling me that I'm just like him. Everytime I did
something wrong, or made the tinyest mistake, she kept on telling me
"You're just like your g-d d-mn Father. I eventually got sick of the
verbal abuse and moved out.
The agenda of the heterosexual in todays world is for the young hetero
men to have sex with as many good-looking women as they can and satisfy
their sexual pervertion. In other words, the young Heterosexual men just
wanna "get some p-ssy", "get laid", "hit the skins" and "knock boots".
And if they get any of these young girls pregnant, many of these young
heterosexual men will dump the girl they impregnated and run away without
supporting the children they created. or they will tell the girl they
impregnated to have an abortion. At other times, they will deny that they
are the father. When a heterosexual gets older and he does decide to get
married, he has to have a fling with a stripper before he walks down the
isle with his fiance because after the heterosexual man gets married, he
believes that he will "loose his freedom" Many Heterosexual men get
tired of having sex with the same woman that they are with and at times
will cheat on them with another woman, usually trying not to get caught
while other Heterosexual men will admit to their wife that he is tired of
the same old thing in bed every night and divorces her and gets another
woman to marry. We see this example with Donald Trump who dumped Ivana
because she was getting "too old" for him and married Marla Maples. Now
marla is getting too old for Mr. Trump and now he needs something new so
he's divorcing her. Although he (Donald) has the money to get any woman
he wants and the money to get a quick divorce like other heterosexual
millionares and heterosexual movie stars. Most heterosexual men can't
afford quick divorces like the Donald but they will take any necessary
steps to get rid of the "old bag" or "fat sap" they are married to in
order to get a new young "sexy" babe. And in turn, many heterosexual
women will take steps to try to get rid of the "no good trash" that they
are married to so that they can get themselves a "young rich hunk" Also,
many other heterosexuals want to get divorced, but they only stay
together for the children so that they can also decieve other people and
themselves by living in a lie and fulfilling the fantasy they see on TV.
Many of these Heterosexual couples wait until the youngest child turns 21
before divorcing. Heterosexual men and woman make vows in churches
everyday all over the world vowing to keep each other for better or for
worse, richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, till death do
them part, but over 60% of these heterosexuals are lying. The divorce
rate and the reasons for divorce prove that the heterosexual lifestyle is
a very unfulfilling one. Many heterosexuals divorce their spouces because
they lost their job, gain weight, lost muscle, go bald, loose attraction,
can't perform in bed (which proves that the heterosexual lifestyle is
about sex). Many heterosexuals have even divorced because of tragedies
such as car accidents, a childs death or when one has cancer. The
heterosexuals and their lifestyle also have a very negative affect on
children. Heterosexuals don't mind arguing, screaming, yelling, cursing,
and even getting physical and beating the other spouce in front of the
children that they are raising usually causing the children to have
long-term psychological affects. Heterosexuals who also lie about their
children being so-called "blessings" and "precious gifts" tell their
children that they are "brats", "rugrats", "a pain in the neck", "a pain
in the butt", and at times, even tell their children that they wish they
were never born. Many Heterosexuals will force their children to take
sides in arguements forcing the children to choose between Mom or Dad.
When a heterosexual parent is angry with their child, they will usually
tell the child that they have the negative characteristics of the other
parent (eg. "you are stupid just like you Mother", or "You're a no good
lowlife scum just like your damn father"). These statements from these
Heterosexuals to their children usually cause the children to have low
self esteem. Usually the children from many of these messed up
heterosexual homes will have bad grades in school, be more violent, join
gangs, become alcoholics, use drugs, and even commit suicide. The agenda
of the young heterosexual woman is also to get as many guys as she can.
Many of these women try to get pregnant so that they can force the men
who get them pregnant to stay with them. But the agenda of the straight
woman to keep a man by getting pregnant doesn't allways work. Many of the
men who get them pregnant leave them for someone else. So then these
Heterosexual women end up having 3-5 children who each have a different
Father and different last names. Many of the young heterosexual womens
children don't even know their Fathers. So then the heterosexual
community tries to make up for the mess they caused by having marches and
rally's like the "Million man March" and the "Promise Keepers" where they
try to fix the mess they caused while engaged in their perverted
heterosexual lifestyles by telling other Heterosexual men to take care of
and spend time the children they brought in the world with their "flings"
and affairs and by ex-wives that they no longer love. But the message at
these heterosexual gatherings doesn't seem to sink in to the minds of the
heterosexual men. The Divorce rate and the child support cases is still
as high as it was before these rallies.
Bill Valentine
lac...@webtv.net wrote:
>In this article I am going to expose the TRUTH about the Heterosexual
^^^^^^
Are you a quoteable source ? Whose truth?
Bill Valentine
bil...@stargate.1starnet.com
Annonymous
WORK IT GIRL-FRIEND!!!
My parents have been married for 40 years to this day! My dad called my
mother a bitch & whore for hudereds of years, it seems, either just before
or during an argument because during a lenghty abscence on his manly social
dictated military duty abroad to kill other straight men who kill straight
men to let them know they shouldn't kill straight men(military didn't allow
gays in those days, no?), they both had an affair. Only problem was she
confessed hers & he didn't confess his, but we all knew he had
affairs(never found out who the ghost on the phone was who would call when
mom was at work and speak to my dad but not us kids, we just got a click).
Dad was physically abusive to mom as well & they haven't had sex for
hmm...some 10 years now yet my mother still sadly wants it. They claim
they stayed together for the kids! Now I guess love, or the cost of a
divorce, keeps them together today.
HA! Sister & I wish they'd have divorced!!! SERIOUSLY!
When my sisters boyfriend rapped her as a virgin when she went to his
house, unknown to my parents, because only whores did that, my parents
didn't defend her because she was in the wrong(date rape from some straight
bastard whos friend & he locked the door while he forced her in the bedroom
& took her virginity).
Both my parents parents are divorced, but not my parents. On his side his
mother had her jaw bone broken by his dad, maybe that's why he beat mom so
much. Is this why they figure I should marry a woman & beat her infront of
the kids? This may sound like one of those families, but mom has a nursing
degree, dad a bachelors in business as well as me & sister has a bachelors
in accounting. Only one w/o college is brother.
Get this! My friends neighbors got a divorce & when his sister heard of it
she said "But they got along so well". My friends reply was "That's what
you thought". This couple was very quiet & you never heard them fight at
all. Now like I said, my parents, along with the people across the street,
had very loud often violent fights, yet they are both still married & both
have at least one gay child, but then this other couple was very quiet, got
a divorce & has a gay daughter(who I saw at the bar) yet they are divorced.
How do ya' figure?
Janet Jacksons song: "What About" on her new album says:
"We walked along the beach. What a moon lit night. He held my hand in his.
He kissed me he said I wanna spend my life with you. I want you for my
wife. Just then I thought. What about the times you lied to me what about
the times you said no one would want me. What about all the shit you've
done to me. What about that? What about that? What about the times you
yelled at me, what about the times you yelled at me, what about the times I
cried you wouldn't even hold me. What about those things? What about
that, what about that! What about the times you hit my face? What about
the times you kept on when I said no more please? What about those things?
What about that what about that? What about the times you shamed me? What
about the times you said you didn't fuck her she only gave you head? What
about that? Don't wanna live my life in misery don't tell me you did it
cause you love me......"
If more couples would look at both sides of the coin they'd save themselves
heartache in the long run.
However, Mr. & Ms. Jackson are still happily, uh...I mean married to this
day.
like any respectable couple of the fifties should be.
lac...@webtv.net wrote in article <8788046...@dejanews.com>...
Ezekiel Krahlin
On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 02:41:14 -0600, lac...@webtv.net said:
>In this article I am going to expose the TRUTH about the Heterosexual
>lifestyle. I grew up in a Heterosexual household with straight
>heterosexual parents and siblings and I saw the inside truth about the
>heterosexual lifestyle.
Thank you, Laconia, for yet another aggressively honest essay. As you
know, I have showcased your earlier writings on my web site...where
they remain as permanent record. I am now adding this, one of your
latest--and excellent as usual--essays. You are a treasure for our
community, and for the Internet.
I also did a search in DejaNews, to what new things you are up
to...and I was rewarded to find more new essays you posted in the
queer (and christnet) newsgroups:
LIST OF FAMOUS ANTI-GAY BIGGOTS! (Updated)
THE PSYCHOLOGY OF GAY BASHING (Heterosexuals obsession with
Homosexuality).
BLACK PROTESTERS ARE TROUBLEMAKERS, BUT FUNDEMENTALIST PROTESTERS ARE
NOT
RE: WHITE RACIST RELIGION
I have now added your latest articles to my web site (which URL has
recently changed; see below). You are a most talented writer, and have
become a treasure of insight on behalf of the cause for lesbian and
thracian civil rights. In case no one else has thanked you lately, let
me do so now: THANK YOU! Thanks to the Internet, your words will
travel to all corners of the world...and know that you may inspire
people you'll never meet.
I hope I haven't missed any other articles! As I mentioned in an
earlier correspondence, you are always welcome to inform me of any new
posting of a new essays...and I won't consider this braggadocio on
your part. I really do value your works as an asset to our community,
and want to keep them on record for anyone to view whenever they want.
You are also invited to send me a bio, opinions, or any other
gay-relevant treatises you care to have public. You can even send me a
photo of yourself, if you'd like, which I will place on my "Laconia"
page. (This I have already done for another contributor, Julia
Vinograd.) As your works pile up, I may break them down
into several web pages.
By the way: are you aware of the interesting long term thread in
soc.motss, called "Seceeding From The Het Empire"? You might find
some inspiring articles therein, not just by yours truly (and I am a
main participant), but from a fellow by name of "Kingsix". You might
want to check it out...and you can also download a copy of the entire
thread from my web page, by linking to:
<http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/extra/secede.txt>
P.S.: I tried to send you a version of this message by private mail,
but your e-mail, lac...@webtv.net keeps getting bounced back at me.
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Let's secede from those who breed,
Make it sin to *not waste seed!
My web site kicks (but never licks) butt!
http://ezekielk.simplenet.com/
(a.k.a. "godhatesbreeders.com")
mailto:ezek...@hotmail.com
dion...@infinet.com
Bill Valentine (bil...@stargate.1starnet.com) said:
}Are you a quoteable source ? Whose truth?
You are a quotable debunker?
<chuckle> I do love Usenet! Especially those on it whom don't realize that
this is the place for opinions and discussion, not college dissertations
and studious reviews of psychological topics.
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And the Thought of the Moment (tm) is...
One of the problems with monotheism is that it isolates evil. Because we
cannot accept the idea that there is evil in our God, there is a danger
that we will not be able to endure it in ourselves. It can then be pushed
away and made monstrous and inhuman, leading ultimately to commencement of
atrocities by the faithful for the ironic purpose of "purging evil".
(Inquisition and such)
Ezekiel Krahlin
On Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:30:29 GMT, bil...@stargate.1starnet.com (Bill
Valentine) said:
>lac...@webtv.net wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>In this article I am going to expose the TRUTH about the Heterosexual
> ^^^^^^
>Are you a quoteable source ? Whose truth?
I would say that Laconia's experience is typical for the majority of
families in the United States. We have become a terribly
dysfunctional society, because we have chosen to *ignore our most
serious problems...which includes homophobia; as well as child abuse,
racism, and class elitism.
Of all developed nations in this world, we are: the most violent, the
least literate, the least democratic, and the most sex-phobic. We
have far more cults and weird fringe groups than any other nation, and
we are also the main source of mass murderers.
Something is seriously wrong with our society...and heterocentrism is
a major force behind these problems.
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Let's secede from those who breed,
Make it sin to *not waste seed!
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Ezekiel Krahlin <ezek...@hotmail.com_Z> wrote:
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Zeke's fallen off his medication again. Major rah.\
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lac...@webtv.net
In article <64trmk$6c4$1...@gte1.gte.net>,
Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
>
> Thats the first time I was called a
> bigot...hehe Kinda funny. A bigot is someone
> who hates...I do not hate anybody.
That sounds farmilliar, i've heard that phrase
before from the Klan, Skinheads and from Louis
Farrakahn.
> Homosexual lifestyles are a CHOICE,
A Choice?? You Christians can't even make up your minds about how people
become Gay. On minute you say it's a choice, the next minute you say it's
not a choice, that were Gay because we were molested. Then the next
minute, you say were Gay because we had no Father when we were growing
up. Then the next minute you say it's a choice again. MAKE UP YOUR
MIND!!!
> Homosexuals come in these newsgroups and get
> mad when we discuss Gods laws.
Christians come into the Gay newsgroups and post articles on how Gays
should commit suicide, and how gays should be executed by the government.
However, I don't see you or any other Christian complaining about that
Jesse, it's only when we respond and defend ourselves that you complain
about.
Christians also don't mind picketing at Gay and
Lesbian peoples funerals.
> If you know these are the laws of the Lord,
> then why do you come in here and pick
> fights and get mad at us because you choose
> not to listen to God? You know we feel this
> way. You know we are adament about God's Laws.
No, you Christians PICK AND CHOOSE from the bible the verses that suit
you the best and IGNORE the versres that offend you and your friends.
How come you Christians don't try to outlaw Divorce, or try to keep
divorcees out of the millitary?? Why aren't you Christians trying to
keep those who have pre-marital sex out of the millitary, or telling
employers that it's ok to discriminate against those who have pre-marital
sex. Why aren't Christians trying to outlaw the sale of Alcoholic
beverages, or trying to keep those who drink Alcohol out of the
millitary, or telling employers to discriminate against those who drink
alcohol (even if they come to work sober)?? Why don't you Christians try
to keep people who have had extra-marital affairs out of the millitary??
Why don't you Christians try to get divorced people fired from their
jobs?? Why aren't you Christians trying to keep people who "take the
lords name in vain" (those who use the word "G-d D-m-") out of the
millitary, or trying to get them fired from their jobs??? Why aren't you
Christians truing to teach in the schools that Divorce is a evil sin,
that Divorcees are "sinners", or that Pre-marital sex is "evil" and
"sick" or that those who dring wine, beer, or liquor are "sick" and
"evil"
You are boycotting Disney because of Ellen's Lesbianism. Donald Trump
is getting Divorced for the second time, but you Christians aren't
boycotting any of his businesses. The same bible you use to say
Homosexuality is a "sin" also says that Divorce is a "sin", but I barely
hear you Christians on Television preaching against that. In fact, many
of you friends are Divorced, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Phil Grahm,
Bob Dole, Ronald Reagan. you never call them "sinners" or tell them that
they are going to hell. All of them are friends of Rev. Pat Robertson.
And Pat Robertsons friend Wynonna Judd had premarital sex, and after
becomong pregnant, she didn't want to marry the Father (but married him
later). They bashed fictional TV character Murphy Brown for the same
thing, but said nothing about Wynonna.
> We are sinners as well but we don't 'come out > of a closet and profess that we have used foul > language',
WHAT CLOSET? People already use Foul language in public anyway, because
our society accepts the use of "foul Language" in public. There is no
"Foul Language" closet. Just walk down any street, sit in any resturant,
walk in any department store, train station, your place of employment, or
turn on your television and you will hear "Foul Language'. It's already
accepted in our society. People don't loose their jobs because they use
"foul language", people don't get kicked out of the millitary because
they use "Foul Language", people don't get bashed in the streets because
they use "foul language"
> we have genuine remorse for our sins and will
> always have the same views. You get mad saying
> we want to change you, yes we do.
Why aren't you trying to change those who curse, those who cheat on their
spouces, those who wear tattos, those who have sex without being married,
those who have multiple marriages and divorces, those who Drink alcohol,
those who don't go to church, or those who are in gangs.
> If you dont want to be changed, don't come in
> here. This post is x-posted to three NG's, all > of which are Christian.
Christians don't mind x-posting to 5 newsgroups, which are all gay,
talking about how gays should "kill themselves", or how our government
should execute those who are Gay & Lesbian, but I still don't see you
complaing about that.
> You have the choice. Stay here and read our
> views or go to a homosexual NG and post and
> read homosexual views.
Unfortuneately, Homosexual NG's have your
Christian views too. We just wanted to return you the favor.
Logikus
On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:56:55 -0500, "Eva Jung" <ju...@ezaccess.net> wrote:
>Sin is Choice. I was a lesbian. I made a choice not to sin.
>lac...@webtv.net wrote in message <8799612...@dejanews.com>...
Yeah, ok. Well I am my own God and when I say being straight is wrong... well...
then being straight is wrong. And you know I'm right, because Im only using the
basic arguments otehr religions do.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
-Arthur C. Clarke
"You can't beat military intelligence."
-Jay Leno
Eva Jung
Sin is Choice. I was a lesbian. I made a choice not to sin.
lac...@webtv.net wrote in message <8799612...@dejanews.com>...
lac...@webtv.net
HEY WHAT HAPPENED JESSE??! Did you chicken out of this debate? I thought
you were a fighter. I know I asked some hard and difficult questions
below, but I thought you could handle them. Is there any other
christian who can handle some of these questions?
> In article <64trmk$6c4$1...@gte1.gte.net>,
> Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
> > Homosexual lifestyles are a CHOICE,
> A Choice?? You Christians can't even make up
> your minds about how people become Gay. On
> minute you say it's a choice, the next minute > you say it's not a choice, that were have
> uncontrolable Gay feelings because we were
> "molested". Then the next minute, you say were > Gay because we had no Father when we were
> growing up. Then the next minute you say it's > a choice again. MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!
> > Homosexuals come in these newsgroups and get
> > mad when we discuss Gods laws.
> Christians come into the Gay newsgroups and
> post articles on how Gays should commit
> suicide, and how gays should be executed by
> the government. However, I don't see you or
> any other Christian complaining about that
> Jesse, it's only when we respond and defend
> ourselves that you complain about.
> Christians also don't mind picketing at Gay
> and Lesbian peoples funerals.
> > If you know these are the laws of the Lord,
> > then why do you come in here and pick
> > fights and get mad at us because you choose
> > not to listen to God? You know we feel this
> > way. You know we are adament about God's
> > Laws.
> No, you Christians PICK AND CHOOSE from the
> bible the verses that suit you the best and
> IGNORE the verses that offend you and your
> friends.
> How come you Christians don't try to outlaw > Divorce, or try to keep divorcees out of the
> millitary?? Why aren't you Christians trying > to keep those heterosexuals who have
> pre-marital sex out of the millitary, or
> telling employers that it's ok to discriminate > against those Straights who have pre-marital
> sex.
> Why aren't Christians trying to outlaw the > sale of Alcoholic beverages, or trying to keep > those who drink Alcohol out of the millitary, > or telling employers to discriminate against
> those who drink alcohol (even if they come to > work sober)?? Why don't you Christians try
> to keep people who have had extra-marital
> affairs out of the millitary??
> Why don't you Christians try to get divorced > people fired from their jobs??
> Why aren't you Christians trying to keep > people who "take the lords name in vain"
> (those who use the word "G-d D-m-") out of the
> millitary, or trying to get them fired from
> their jobs???
> Why aren't you Christians truing to teach > in the schools that Divorce is a evil sin,
> that Divorcees are "sinners", or that
> Pre-marital sex is "evil" and "sick" or that
> those who dring wine, beer, or liquor are
> "sick" and "evil"????
> You are boycotting Disney because of Ellen's > Lesbianism. Donald Trump is getting Divorced
> for the second time, but you Christians aren't
> boycotting any of his businesses. The same
> bible you use to say Homosexuality is a "sin" > also says that Divorce is a "sin", but I
> barely hear you Christians on Television
> preaching against that. In fact, many of you > friends are Divorced, Newt Gingrich, Rush
> Limbaugh, Phil Graham, Bob Dole, Ronald
> Reagan. you never call them "sinners" or tell > them that they are going to hell. All of them > are friends of Rev. Pat Robertson. And Pat
> Robertsons friend Wynonna Judd had premarital > sex, and after becomong pregnant, she didn't
> want to marry the Father (but married him
> later). They bashed fictional TV character
> Murphy Brown for the same thing, but said
> nothing about Wynonna.
> > We are sinners as well but we don't 'come
> > out of a closet and profess that we have
> > used foul language',
> WHAT CLOSET? People already use Foul language > in public anyway, because our society accepts > the use of "foul Language" in public. There is > no "Foul Language" closet. Just walk down any > street, sit in any resturant, walk in any
> department store, train station, your place of > employment, or turn on your television and you > will hear "Foul Language'. It's already
> accepted in our society. People don't loose
> their jobs because they use "foul language",
> people don't get kicked out of the millitary
> because they use "Foul Language", people don't > get bashed in the streets because they use
> "foul language"
> > we have genuine remorse for our sins and
> > will always have the same views. You get mad > > saying we want to change you, yes we do.
> Why aren't you trying to change those who
> curse, those who cheat on their wives or
> husbands, those who wear tattos, those
> Heterosexuals who have sex without being
> married, those who have multiple marriages and > divorces, those who Drink alcohol, those who
> don't go to church, or those who are in gangs? > You are a bunch of Hypocrites.
> > If you dont want to be changed, don't come
> > in here. This post is x-posted to three
> > NG's, all of which are Christian.
> Christians don't mind x-posting to 5
> newsgroups, which are all gay, talking about
> how gays should "kill themselves", or how our > government should execute those who are Gay & > Lesbian, but I still don't see you complaing
> about that.
> > You have the choice. Stay here and read our
> > views or go to a homosexual NG and post and
> > read homosexual views.
> Unfortuneately, Homosexual NG's have your
> Christian views too. We just wanted to return > you the favor.
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Eva Jung wrote:
>
> Sin is Choice. I was a lesbian. I made a choice not to sin.
You may be celibate, but if you are attracted to women, you are still
a lesbian.
Jesse
I am right here. Anyone advocating suicide is not a Christian. I have siad it before and I will say it again, I do not hate anyone. Sin is sin. I too, am a sinner. I choose to attempt to live my life according to Gods laws. I am human and I
do make a mistake. I believe wholeheartedly that homosexuality is a choise. I don't think for one minute that molestation causes it. However I can see who it can screw up a childs thinking. I was abused (not sexually) as a child. I do not go
around beating kids up or anything like that. My parents had a pretty messy divorce. My father was a truck driver. My mother seemed to love her dogs more than her kids. Without going into great detail, we had to resort to dog food. Before
all of this took place, they were active in church, had a great marriage, kept the pantries adequately stocked. They let secular priorties come into their lives and everything fell apart. My dad came in and saw the conditions, bought
groceries and left. You guessed it, as soon as the food was gone, back to Alpo. I do not blame God, homosexuals, or anything else for my plight as a child other than the ones responsible. Do I hate them, no. We put it behind us. Do I
advocate child abuse? No. Do I physically abuse children or anyone for that matter? No. I understand that sexual abuse on a child can be extremely hard to deal with. It can cause all kinds of confusion. Suicide is not the answer. Never was
and never will be. Homosexuality is not even a sickness. Only a sin.
Christians have been advocating outlawing alcohol for years, remember prohibition? Fornication is also a sin. It is two or three verses above the verse about homosexuality in Leviticus 20. As far as boycotting a gay or lesbian funeral. Thats
outrageous. All of us are Gods children. Sin is sin and will be forgiven. How do they know what went on between the deceased and God in that moment before they passed on. I would not advocate execution of homosexuals or anything for that
matter. Murderers are the only ones that deserve execution. The Bible even points that out.
As far as chickening out, I just moved on to more intelligent discussions.
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In article <655725$1dk$1...@gte2.gte.net>,
Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
>
> I believe wholeheartedly that homosexuality is > a choise. I don't think for one minute that
> molestation causes it.
Apparently, there seems to be a big disagreement among conservative
Christians on how people become Gay. Some say it comes from being
molested, other say no. Others say it's from not having a father, others
disagree. Some say it's a choice, some say not. Some say were "sick",
other say were not. Perhaps before the christian community goes into the
public, oppressing the rights of Gay & Lesbian people, telling everyone
that we are "sick" and "evil", perhaps they should make up their minds
and come to a "moral absolute" about the making of a homosexual before
they push their beliefs on us. If they come to different conclusions
about how people become gay, they all can't be right, someone is wrong,
and if they are wrong about one thing, perhaps they are probably wrong
other things as well. I want to see a debate amongst Christians in this
newsgroup (just amongst christians) about how people grow up to be Gay,
the early influences, does molestation cause it? Does growing up in a
single-mother household cause it? Also, is sexual-orientation determined
at Birth, at toddler age, or at puberty? And what about choice? Do Gays
choose to have the attraction to the same sex?? Do they believe that a
Gay person can change their "attraction" simply by sleeping with someone
of the opposite sex (despite the fact that Gays have tried this before,
many times)?? Is religion the only way to "change"? If so, then what
about those heterosexuals who are not religious. Is it unfair to
homosexuals that they are "forced" to be religious in order to "change"
their sexual orientation meanwhile Heterosexuals don't have to put up
with religion in order to live the "Normal Heterosexual Lifestyle" that
the Fundementalists want people to live??? I hope to see thse questions
asked and this topic dealt with.
> > > In article <64trmk$6c4$1...@gte1.gte.net>,
> > > Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
> > > > Homosexual lifestyles are a CHOICE,
> > > A Choice?? You Christians can't even make > > > up your minds about how people become Gay. > > > One minute you say it's a choice, the next > > > minute you say it's not a choice, that
> > > were have uncontrolable Gay feelings
> > > because we were "molested". Then the next > > > minute, you say were Gay because we had no > > > Father when we were growing up. Then the
> > > next minute you say it's a choice again.
> > > MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!
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Coronal <Wha...@Zone.com> wrote:
>Eva Jung wrote:
>>
>> Sin is Choice. I was a lesbian. I made a choice not to sin.
>You may be celibate, but if you are attracted to women, you are still
>a lesbian.
A/k/a, "but you ARE, Blanche, you ARE!"
curnon
Jesse,
Reading your post brought tears to my eyes. The pain you must of gone through while growing up had to be immense. For a moment put yourself in that pain and you will understand some of the pain I felt growing up realizing I was gay. I prayed
daily for the Lord to remove this curse or to let me die. Contemplated suicide on a number of occasions. At one point I decided that if there was a God he was a sadist and I did not want to have anything to do with him.
Once I realize that the Lord truly loved me and that my homosexuality had nothing to do with that love my life turned completely around. I found a man that loved me for who I was and looked past my history of promiscuity. I stopped sexually
acting out. Stopped drinking and drugging. I have now even stopped smoking.
I know longer have the pain that was once caused by the belief that my homosexuality is a sin that I was going to die and go to hell for. If at some point the Lord leads me down a road that takes my lover away from me and places a woman in his
place I will accept that because I accept what ever the Lord has in store for me. Could you do the same?
Curnon
When there is hatred in the heart there is no room for the Lord
JTEM
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White men don't like black men because they have larger penises.
Heterosexuals don't like homosexuals for the same reason.
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Jesse
Perhaps you should get your head out of your ass and read my post! I am tired of people deliberatly misconstruing what I write. If thats how you spread your homosexuality propaganda, then so be
it but leave me out of it. It just proves you gay people are liars and without remorse.
lac...@webtv.net wrote:
> In article <655725$1dk$1...@gte2.gte.net>,
> Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
> >
> > I believe wholeheartedly that homosexuality is > a choise. I don't think for one minute that
> > molestation causes it.
>
> > > > In article <64trmk$6c4$1...@gte1.gte.net>,
> > > > Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > Homosexual lifestyles are a CHOICE,
>
> > > > A Choice?? You Christians can't even make > > > up your minds about how people become Gay. > > > One minute you say it's a choice, the next > > > minute you say it's not a choice, that
> > > > were have uncontrolable Gay feelings
> > > > because we were "molested". Then the next > > > minute, you say were Gay because we had no > > > Father when we were growing up. Then the
> > > > next minute you say it's a choice again.
> > > > MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!
>
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You immature sick little puppy....
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Jesse wrote:
> Perhaps you should get your head out of your ass and read my post! I am tired of people deliberatly misconstruing what I write. If thats how you spread your homosexuality propaganda, then so be
> it but leave me out of it. It just proves you gay people are liars and without remorse.
>
> lac...@webtv.net wrote:
Jesse, the far right posters have also done this to me. Being misquoted in this group or any group is not only not uncommon. This is not an issue of being gay or straight. This is not an issue of
remorse or being a liar. This is an issue of misunderstanding and sometimes misquoting for the purpose of making a point. But to say that this is gay propaganda and equating this to "spreading
homosexuality" is nothing more than baring false witness.
I honestly had some respect for you after reading some of your posts. Even though I disagreed with you I thought you were an honest person just trying to get your point across. Again I was wrong.
No need to reply to this Jesse this is the last response I will give your posts.
Peace be with you,
Curnon
curnon
An apology to Jesse:
I do have continued respect for you. I do not agree with what you are saying and feel you could use more respect in your points but I have no right to judge your intent in your posts.
Peace
Curnon
Logikus
On 22 Nov 1997 23:06:21 GMT, Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
>Perhaps you should get your head out of your ass and read my post! I am tired of people deliberatly misconstruing what I write. If thats how you spread your homosexuality propaganda, then so be
>it but leave me out of it. It just proves you gay people are liars and without remorse.
>
And in your words...
"And Jesus said... love all people" (or some crap like that)
You damn hypocrit! Kill the heathen! She's a witch! Burn her...
Grow the fuck up, lady....
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Re: Christians can't agree about how people become Gay (was Re: THE TRUTH ABOUT
THE HETEROSEXUAL (Straight) LIFESTYLE)
Like all else in the brain it's biochemical. Animals have the same "problem".
Logikus
On 23 Nov 1997 02:27:44 GMT, jt...@tiac.net (JTEM) wrote:
>Logikus <bugre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I've often heard it said that homophobes & people who crosspost to
>inappropriate newsgroups are over-compensating for their tiny weewees.
Hey I just follow the thread. BTW you crossposted too, and I don't have anything
for or against gays. What they do in private is what they do. What interest
could it possibly be of anyone else?
Logikus
On 23 Nov 1997 02:28:36 GMT, jt...@tiac.net (JTEM) wrote:
>Logikus <bugre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> [---snip---]
>
>Cut the shit, air head.
If you would read the posts which preceeded mine you might understand we're on
the same side. Jumping into a post unprepared like this, sheesh.
JTEM
Logikus <bugre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Cut the shit, air head.
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JTEM
Logikus <bugre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I've often heard it said that homophobes & people who crosspost to
inappropriate newsgroups are over-compensating for their tiny weewees.
John
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JTEM
: On 23 Nov 1997 02:28:36 GMT, jt...@tiac.net (JTEM) wrote:
: >Cut the shit, air head.
:
: If you would read the posts which preceeded mine you might understand we're
I was responding to your inappropriate crossposting.
John
lac...@webtv.net
In article <657ohd$bi6$2...@gte1.gte.net>,
Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
> Perhaps you should get your head out of your ass and read my post!
Oooh, now we're becoming hostile. Isn't that "Unchristian" behavior???
> I am tired of people deliberatly misconstruing > what I write.
You claim to be part of an Religious organization. An organization that
claims to have a moral absolute for everything. An organization that
claims to know the TRUTH about EVERYTHING because God the Creator tells
you so in the bible, through tonges, through prayer, and in claims that
God spoke to you on occasions. I see contradictions in your
organization. And since your organization wants to force your morals and
beliefs on us in the gay community, you are darn right that we are going
to look for contradictions. We are going to check for your stability as a
Religious organization, especially a religious organization that wants to
force your beliefs and values on us politically as well as socially. If
you christians don't know how people become Gay, then why should we trust
you when you say anything else????
> If thats how you spread your homosexuality
> propaganda, then so be it. but leave me out of > it.
You got yourself into it.
> It just proves you gay people are liars and
> without remorse.
Me a liar?? Did I make it up when I stated that Christians have different
beliefs from each other on how people become Gay??? What else did I lie
about?????
> lac...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > In article <655725$1dk$1...@gte2.gte.net>,
> > Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe wholeheartedly that
> > > homosexuality is > a choise. I don't think > > > for one minute that molestation causes it.
> > Apparently, there seems to be a big
> > > In article <64trmk$6c4$1...@gte1.gte.net>,
> > > Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > Homosexual lifestyles are a CHOICE,
> >
> > > A Choice?? You Christians can't even make > > > up your minds about how people become Gay. > > > One minute you say it's a choice, the next > > > minute you say it's not a choice, that
> > > were have uncontrolable Gay feelings
> > > because we were "molested". Then the next > > > minute, you say were Gay because we had no > > > Father when we were growing up. Then the
> > > next minute you say it's a choice again.
> > > MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!
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Logikus (bugre...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: Hey I just follow the thread. BTW you crossposted too,
Not without editing out newsgroups.
: and I don't have anything
: for or against gays. What they do in private is what they do. What interest
: could it possibly be of anyone else?
I have no idea.
John
Logikus
On 23 Nov 1997 04:42:20 GMT, Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
>I am a man. You obviously need help.
Oh yeah right Ilike Im supposed to guess a person name Jesse is a man!
Jesse
Typically a female named the same will spell her name Jessie or Jessy, not many females
spell
it Jesse, Although some males spell it Jessie.
Logikus wrote:
--
Jesse
And I accept your apology unconditionally. I also want to apologize for my hasty posts. I am human and I tend to get upset and post without thinking it through.
Especially when my posts are cut and chopped. I aunderstand that there are people 'on
my side of the fence' that do the same. That too does not make it right. I have respect for you too.
I was a little leery at first but you have proven to be a man of honor and integrity and refraining from
butchering other peoples post proves that to me. You are the first person who calls themselves a homosexual Christian that I can respect and expect a decent, honest reply.
Happy Thanksgiving
Jesse
curnon wrote:
--
John De Salvio
> You immature sick little puppy....
>
Careful.
I think I just heard another crack start to form in your glass house.
--
John
NOTE: "From" address is deliberately wrong.
My correct e-mail address is:
Apuleius
Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote to and alt.politics.homosexuality:
== Perhaps you should get your head out of your ass and read my post! I am tired of people deliberatly misconstruing what I write. If thats how you spread your homosexuality propaganda, then so be
== it but leave me out of it. It just proves you gay people are liars and without remorse.
==
Wow! May we assume you're posting from alt.christnet?
Or is it alt.religion.christian?
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That's all, folks.
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OinK! ~(^@^)~
Logikus wrote:
>
> On 23 Nov 1997 04:42:20 GMT, Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
>
> >I am a man. You obviously need help.
>
> Oh yeah right Ilike Im supposed to guess a person name Jesse is a man!
>
Sure you are!! Isn't Jesse Norman a man? The Spiritual-Opera Diva??
RevOinK!
Jack Danger
Jasse
Propaganda? Gay people give personal testiments from their own
experience that homosexuality is not a choice. Yet, the Religious
Rights tells them their experience is wrong and that they can't trust
their emotions. It sounds like your side is the one spreading
propaganda.
-JD
>On 22 Nov 1997 23:06:21 GMT, Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
>Perhaps you should get your head out of your ass and read my post! I am tired of people deliberatly misconstruing what I write. If thats how you spread your homosexuality propaganda, then so be
Jack Danger
Curnon-
Accepting your homosexuality is a gift from God. I hope others will
read and accept that you can be a gay christian.
-JD
Jack Danger
Jesse-
If religion is making you a better person than I am happy for you.
However, I disagree with you opinion that homosexuality is a sin.
-JD
>On 22 Nov 1997 23:15:03 GMT, Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
>curnon, you are absolutely right. The Lord loves regardless. I firmly believe that there are two sins that will pave your way to hell and thats foresaking Jesus and God and Suicide. God loves everyone regardless of there sexuality. I believe that
>homosexuality is a sin as well as fornication. I am guilty of fornication. I read in the Bible where it is a sin and I had to tell my partner of a year and a half that we cannot keep this up. It is hard to keep from falling back into it as I have a
>time or two. I understand how changing a lifestyle can be very hard. No one said it was easy. I am getting better at mine, been a week and a half so far. As far as my past goes, it was hard and very painful. I am on speaking terms with both parents
>and you guessed it, neither one wants to be in the same room as the other. But thats there problem. I have talked to both and they are hard-headed. I try not to dwell on it as a means of gaining pity, I dwell on it as a means of getting a stronger
>relationship with the Lord. He was all I had in those times.
>
>I hope you will not tear my post up and use only what you want to attempt to make me look bad. So far I haven't seen that from you but others have and that lowers thier credibility a 1000 times. Once a liar always a liar. I also offer you my
>prayers and not just for homosexuality but the other day to day trials and tribulations.
>
>Yours In Christ,
>Jesse
Jesse
You are so confused. Christianity is not a religion. A religion seeks out God such as Islam.
Christianity has a relationship with God. In recent weeks, I have gotten closer to God, my life as a whole has changed for the better. I am a PC Tech, Networking. I have so many job offers now I
cannot make up my mind which one to take. All of this came u just last week. My health has gotten
better, my personal relationships with family and friends have all gotten better, all through the
power of prayer and my relationship with the Lord. My Lord says Go tell the word, you complain about me spreading my belief. Thank you, you have acknowledged that I am doing what my God
wants me too. I never became a willing participant in spreading sin.
lac...@webtv.net wrote:
> In article <657ohd$bi6$2...@gte1.gte.net>,
> Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps you should get your head out of your ass and read my post!
>
> Oooh, now we're becoming hostile. Isn't that "Unchristian" behavior???
>
> > I am tired of people deliberatly misconstruing > what I write.
>
> You claim to be part of an Religious organization. An organization that
> claims to have a moral absolute for everything. An organization that
> claims to know the TRUTH about EVERYTHING because God the Creator tells
> you so in the bible, through tonges, through prayer, and in claims that
> God spoke to you on occasions. I see contradictions in your
> organization. And since your organization wants to force your morals and
> beliefs on us in the gay community, you are darn right that we are going
> to look for contradictions. We are going to check for your stability as a
> Religious organization, especially a religious organization that wants to
> force your beliefs and values on us politically as well as socially. If
> you christians don't know how people become Gay, then why should we trust
> you when you say anything else????
>
> > If thats how you spread your homosexuality
> > propaganda, then so be it. but leave me out of > it.
>
> You got yourself into it.
>
> > It just proves you gay people are liars and
> > without remorse.
>
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lac...@webtv.net
In article <65b9ih$muj$2...@gte1.gte.net>,
Jesse <jplummer.@gte.net> wrote:
>
> You are so confused. Christianity is not a
> religion. A religion seeks out God such as
> Islam. Christianity has a relationship with
> God.
Which form of Christianity has the right relationship?? Methodist??
Catholics?? Baptist?? Lutherans? Mormons? pentacostals? Reformed
Baptists? Unitarist? Reformed Catholics? Episcopals? They all seem to
have different types of relationships with God, and they all say that the
other forms of Christianity are having the wrong relationship with God
(or NO relationship with God).
I'ts amazing how your "personal relationships" have caused wars over
the years, wars about who is having the "right" relationship. It's
amazing how you "personal relationship" has influenced laws over the
years. It's amazing how your "personal relationships" get together once
a year at a meetings to discuss how to keep Gays out of the millitary,
how to make sure that Gays are not protected in school, how to stop civil
rights laws, etc... It's amazing that your "personal relationship" has a
president (Ralph Reed), Vice President (Pat Robertson) secretaries and
treasurers. It's amazing how your "personal relationship" has big money
organizations like Christian Coalition, American Family Institute, Focus
on the Family, American Center for Law & Justice, Concerned Women of
America, and the Southern Baptist convention. It's amazing how your
"personal relationship" makes lots of money in big buildings decorated
with stained glass, influences politicians and laws with money made in
stained glass buildings, and gets recognized by the government as a
tax-free relationship. If you don't want to be recognized as a Religion,
then at least admit that you are an organization. Two or more people
define that. And I never hear of someones "personal relationship" having
lots of money and power over the political and social climate, (not to
mention 60% of the Republican party).
> In recent weeks, I have gotten closer to God, > my life as a whole has changed for the better.
Good. Then you have your "personal" relationship with God and you stop
forcing your "personal" relationship with God on other people especially
Gays and Lesbians by getting us fired from our jobs, kicked out of our
apartments, keeping us from serving in the millitary, keeping us from
being protected in school. Personal means "self" or "private". We don't
want you "personal" or "private" relationship making laws that taking
away our civil rights (not "Special rights") We don't want your
"personal" relationship keeping Gays out of the millitary. We don't want
your "personal" relationship getting people fired from their jobs just
because they are Gay. Perhaps the Government should stop giving you "tax
breaks" because of your "personal relationship"
> My Lord says Go tell the word, you complain
> about me spreading my belief. Thank you, you
> have acknowledged that I am doing what my God
> wants me too.
You call it "spreading", I call it FORCING!!
You are only politically "spreading" you beliefs on the people you
choose. I've read your King James bible (I assume that's what you use).
I know all the do's and don't of the bible. And there are many many more
beliefs that you have to "spread" other than Homosexuality. What about
"spreading" your belief on those who drink alcohol (TODAY, not 70 years
ago)? Or "spreading" your beliefs on those Heterosexuals who have sex
before getting married? Those who divorce? Women who cut their hair
short? Men who have long hair? Those who steal their brothers wife, or
sisters husband? Those who wear tattos? If you ever did "spread" your
"beliefs" on other "sinners", they were softballs compared to the big
rocks you throw at homosexuals.
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Jesse,
I think it is wonderful that you are spreading the Word but please be aware that when someone is not ready to listen it tends to turn them off, pushing them further from the Lord.
Curnon
Jesse
You knwo Curnon, you are right. I only post here. I never held a gun to anyones head and
forced their mouse to click on my posts. The bottom line is I am doing what my God wants and
if people in here want to stop and think about it and maybe open the Bible and read it before
making uneducated decisions, then great. If not, thats on them. I ain't Billy Gates, I cannot force
anything on people via pc's. They choose to click on my message headers. As far as crossposting goes, I respond to posts in their current state. I do not alter or edit the originating posts in any
way.
No one can honestly say that I post original messages innapropiately in ng's.
Jesse
I feel homosexuality is a sin and I feel God loves all sinners. This should not encourage homosexuality or any other sin for that matter. Curnon is a pretty level headed person.
We do disagree on a subject or two but I can count on him to offer intelligent responses and
even ask well thought out questions. But homosexuality is a sin just as any other sin in the Bible.
I do not believe that God will strike down all homosexuals just because they are homosexuals.
But we all will one day stand before the presence of the Lord and answer for all of our sins, no matter how big or small they are.
Jack Danger wrote:
> Curnon-
>
> Accepting your homosexuality is a gift from God. I hope others will
> read and accept that you can be a gay christian.
>
> -JD
>
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lac...@webtv.net
In article <65dpec$sl9$1...@gte1.gte.net>,
cur...@gte.net wrote:
> Jesse,
> I think it is wonderful that you are spreading > the Word but please be aware that when someone > is not ready to listen it tends to turn them
> off, pushing them further from the Lord.
> Curnon
No. Thats not it at all. I and many other Gay people are NOT INTERESTED
in you religion, organization, "personal relationship", or whatever you
call it. In fact, most Straight Heterosexual people are NOT INTERESTED in
you "gospel", but you Christians have left them alone, and still bother
us Gays & Lesbians.
You are worse than a annoying telemarketer except you don't use the
phone to bother us, you use the Government, politicians, school boards to
bother us by passing laws against us, stoping civil rights advancements
againts us, getting schools to teach children that Gays are "evil",
"sick" and "perverted", keeping Gay Bashing from being a "bias crime"
which if Gay bashing is not a "bias" crime, the basher who is usually
young would just get a slap on the wrist. You are trying to keep us from
serving in the millitary, even having the millitary ask people what their
sexual preference is when you claim that you don't want to hear about it.
You even encouraged a judge to take custody of a child from her Lesbian
mother and give the child to the Father, who is a murderer who killed his
first wife.
You don't bother Heterosexual people, you left them alone, you don't
try to pass laws saying that some of the things that they do are "evil",
or "sick", but still, you don't see most of them running to your
churches, or even to the liberal churches.
Your churches are still debating and can't even make up their mind on
certain issues. You can't even agree about how people become Gay. And
your still debating on wether or not women should be allowed to preach,
or if women should be silent during church service, or if it is O.K. to
divorce on the grounds of Adultery, Your churches are still debating on
wether or not people choose to be "saved", or if God makes a list of his
"elect" of who he makes them want to be "saved" (which means that if I am
not one of his "elect", I can never be "saved"). The churches debated
wether or not to condemn slavery, (they waited till 1995 to condemn it),
and the churches have even been debating on wether or not it's OK for
women to have abortions in cases of Rape, incest, or if her "life is in
danger". Churches are made up of individual people who come in with
their different opinions, thats why the rules chance ever so often.
Most Heterosexuals are NOT INTERESTED in your "gospel", and neither are
most Homosexuals. If you did ever leave us alone, most of us still
wouldn't run to your churches just as most Heterosexuals don't run to
your churches. WRE ARE JUST NOT INTERESTED!
Please take GAY & LESBIAN AMERICANS off you "CALLING" LIST!!!
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If you're not interested, then why did you even read Jesse's post ?
Eva
lac...@webtv.net wrote in message <8804832...@dejanews.com>...
lac...@webtv.net
In article
<DE2C2304FC87D6A8.1E01B99C5D1A0DC1.70651D408DE53
D...@library-proxy.airnews.net>,
"Eva Jung" <ju...@ezaccess.net> wrote:
> If you're not interested, then why did you
> even read Jesse's post ?
> Eva
Are you blind Eva??? Did you read the whole article? I wasn't talking
about Jesse's posts, I was talking about you and your religious
organizations forcing your beliefs down the throats of Gay & Lesbian
Americans politically by keeping us out of the millitary, by telling
employers that it is OK to fire us because we are Gay, by telling
companies (like Disney) who treat Gay people with some respect that you
will Boycott them until they do things your way, by teaching in schools
that Gays are "evil" "sick", and perverted, by stopping our civil rights
advancements, by taking a child from her Lesbian mother and giving the
child to the Father who was a murderer who killed his first wife. Please
read the original post (below) again, and very carefully.
And for you infomation, Jesse first read and responded to a article I
posted last week exposing the truth about the messed up "Straight
lifestyle" and we have been debating since then.
George M. Carter
"Eva Jung" <ju...@ezaccess.net> wrote:
>If you're not interested, then why did you even read Jesse's post ?
>Eva
You make a common mistake. Many of us are not interested in the
christian faith per se or simply are not practicing the religion.
Unfortunately, as people are interested in the activities of the thief
in the night prowling about the house, we are interested in the
activities of groups that are out to rob us of our rights, health and
lives by their pernicious hatred wrapped in the thin and tattered
cloth of their bible-thumping hypocrisies.
George M. Carter
Christian Warrior
You forget, dear, I replied to you as well, but I guess that doesn't matter
since you insist on acting like a child who hums and covers her ears rather
than hear what you don't want to ( you keep posting the same exact things
without actually answering anyone that responds to you.)
lac...@webtv.net wrote in message <8805304...@dejanews.com>...
>In article
><DE2C2304FC87D6A8.1E01B99C5D1A0DC1.70651D408DE53
>
>And for you infomation, Jesse first read and responded to a article I
>posted last week exposing the truth about the messed up "Straight
>lifestyle" and we have been debating since then.
lac...@webtv.net
In article
<E60CED1406BABA51.96DC1CAE24D76856.FCA55CE4163CA
E...@library-proxy.airnews.net>,
"Christian Warrior" <ju...@ezaccess.net> wrote:
>
> You forget, dear, I replied to you as well,
> but I guess that doesn't matter since you
> insist on acting like a child who hums and
> covers her ears rather than hear what you
> don't want to
You only replied to me 3 times. One time you
stated that I and other Gays were trying to
break up straight couples with my post about the
"Heterosexual lifestyle". After that post, I
asked you how were Gays forcing Straights to
cheat on their spouces, beat their spouces, and
file for divorce, and you never answered the
question. You kept dancing around the question.
I WAS NOT trying to break up families.
Families break themselves up. I was just
exposing the truth of what goes on in
heterosexual Families the same way Christians
expose what they see as the truth about
Homosexuals using films like "The Gay Agenda".
I DID NOT encourage anyone to get Divorced,
or leave their family.
I also asked you why it was OK for Pat
Robertson to have two people who grew up in Gay
Households (one of them Liberace's son) on the
700 Club talking about their experince in a Gay
household, with Robertson concluding that he is
exposing the truth about the "Homosexual
Lifestyle". But then you changed the rules when
I wanted to expose the "heterosexual Lifestyle".
You never answered that question either, you
danced around that. I checked the posting thread
to make sure.
The other two times you responded to me, you
asked me if I was afraid of paranoid that people
were coming after me, and why I answered Jesse's
post.
You DID NOT answer any question about the
Christian Faiths political crusade against other
"sin" besides Homosexuality.
> (you keep posting the same exact things
You keep on posting the same things too about
Homosexuality is a "sin", sodomy is a "sin",
Homosexuality is "wrong", Sodomy is "Evil",
Homosexuality is a "sin", sodomy is a "sin".
> without actually answering anyone that
> responds to you.)
No one has. I asked why the Christian Faith
wasn't crusading against other "sins", and no
one has given me a straight answer. And I will
keep on posting and posting, and I will keep on
asking, and I will never stop.
Gays and Lesbians don't have a nationally
syndicated broadcasted show like the "700 Club"
where we can express our opinions over and over
again day after day. I will post and express my
opinions and exercise my freedom of speech and I
WILL NOT shut up.
Eva, lets get serious. You claim to be a
Christian. You claim to be a loving, caring
Christian. You claim to represent a loving God
the creator. You claim that God wrote his bible
to tell us how to live, and you are trying to
get us Gays and Lesbians to take you seriously.
Eva, how do you expect us Gays and Lesbians
to take you and your faith seriously when you
are not taking the whole bible seriously?
How do you expect me to take you and your
faith seriously when I ask questions about the
practices of your faith that you are trying to
get me to convert to and you keep on dodging and
dancing around them??
Eva, you claim to be a representative of
God, which means that when someone asks you
questions about your faith, you as a
representative of a loving God should be ready
to answer those questions and show an loving
example of God.
You are a witness of God, does God has the
attitude you have, calling me "childish" because
I asked you about the Christian faiths attitudes
towards other "sin".
The reason why I asked those questions over
and over again was because I wanted to see if
you and others who share your faith were true to
the bible, or if you just have a political
agenda against Gays.
If you are not being true to the whole
bible, then that makes you a hypocrite. you are
not obeying ALL of Gods word.
And I would not want to belong to a Faith
that believes the way you do. And I would not
want to belong to a Faith that has the attitude
that you and others who share your Faith have
expressed to me and in the media.
The attitude that you and others in your
Faith have expressed turn me off to your Faith
and make me skeptical and critical of your Faith
causing me to question your credability even
more.
I thought that I could try to get more
"loving" responses from Chrisrtians than the
ones I get from Rev. White and Rev. Spitz, but
you are just about as bad as they are.
Christians are crusading against Gay
rights, Gays in the millitary, Gay marriage.
Christians are trying to keep Schools from
protecting Gay students from being protected.
Trying to keep Gay employees from being
protected.
When Christians are asked why they do this,
they say it's because the Bible says that
"Homosexuality" is a "sin".
So I am asking Christians why they are not
crusading against other "sin" or trying to limit
the rights of those who commit other "sins". Is
the bible only made up of a few chapters of
Leviticus???
Again Eva, you as a representative of God,
an example of a loving, caring Christian and you
are trying to sell the gospel to me and other
people (especially Gays), you should be ready to
answer questions, ALL questions pertaining to
the Bible, Christian living, etc... no matter
how mad I may get when I ask you (because I been
asking over and over again), you are supposed to
be compassionate towards me and answer questions
pertaining to the bible and being a believer.
Jehovas witnesses, Catholics and Mormos
answer questions that I ask them without getting
an attitude or dodging me, but not
Fundementalists Christians.
If you came up to me on the street, or at my
door selling you gospel, and I asked you
questions and you dodge them, gave me lip, or
called me childish, what am I supposed to think
of you and your claim to faith??? Am I supposed
to take you seriously?? What am I supposed to
think of God the creator if you gave me that
attitude??
I'm the "unbeliever", only I am supposed to
have an attitude, not you.
And Eva, while I still have your attention
(if you read this far), you claim to have been a
Lesbian and have changed to be straight. I've
read many posts and many people have doubted
you, and many are skeptical.
What some of the skeptics were trying to ask
you is if you claim that you no longer have sex
with a woman, do you still have desires to be
with a woman??
Someone could give up eating fattening foods
like Fried Chicken and Hambergers for a long
time, but they still have the desire to eat
them, they still think about eating them, and
may go crazy when they smell them or see others
eating them.
Now you are a witness of God, and I am about
to ask you, a witness of a loving, caring God
some hard questions.
When you see a nice looking woman walking
down the street, do you still turn your head and
look at her the same way you did before.
Do you still get "aroused" or "excited" when
you are sitting close to a nice looking woman???
And about Lesbian sterotypes, did you cut you
hair short when you were a Lesbian and is it
longer now??
Did you wear jeans, a plaid shirt, and
combat boots when you were a Lesbian, and do you
wear dresses and 4 inch heels now??
Did you act tomboyish before and do you act
feminine now???
What about those Gays who go to groups that
claim to change people and they pray "PLEAESE
CHANGE ME GOD, I DON'T WANNA BE GAY ANYMORE,
PLEASE CHANGE ME!", and after all that praying,
pleading and fasting, their sexual desires still
DO NOT change. Are they doing it right? Are they
doing something wrong???
You claim that you want people to change, and
that gays can change. please tell us step by
step by step how the process is done.
Remember Eva, others are reading this post and
thread, while responding to this, please show an
example of a loving, caring, compassionate
Christian and the example of how all Christians
should live.
If you can't handle the questions, please let
someone else answer.
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In article <34749219...@news.enter.net>, wf...@enter.netxx wrote:
}On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 12:56:55 -0500, "Eva Jung" <ju...@ezaccess.net>
}wrote:
}
}>Sin is Choice. I was a lesbian. I made a choice not to sin.
}
}what you're trying to say is that being gay is a sin?
Yep.
}interesting
}since the bible approves of SLAVERY
Uh, no.
}its ok to ENSLAVE people but not
}to love them....
Since when has homophilia equated to love?
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Your knowledge of the dictionary and word origins is only slighty better
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Craig Hanson
Laconia. You are not going to get any answer from these people. I've read
this thread of articles and many of the other articles that you have
posted over the months.
Laconia, You are a very well informed stong minded person and people from
these narrow minded religions do not want a strong minded person like you
Laconia. They only want weak-minded people who they can brainwash and
twist their minds so that they can make them be what they want them to
be.
Laconia. You have asked them some simple questions about the bible, their
faith and their practices and they seem to get offended and don't want to
give you an straight answer. Some of them have become very hostile and
have made personal character attacks on you and have called you names.
Laconia. Some of these people even became offended when you posted bible
verses that were about issues other than homosexuality. They are probably
having problems with those issues that you have addressed.
When you tried to address other issues, they just give you that "shut up
and do as I say" attitude.
Any religious or spiritual faith where you are not allowed to ask
questions is considered to be a cult. Although some cults are not as
extreme as others.
These people just have a political agenda, mostly against homosexuals,
and they use religion in order to push that agenda.
A healthy religion is where you can ask questions about the bible, and
where you can question the leadership. In Fundementalist Christianity,
you are not allowed to question authority. You are just supposed to
listen to them and do as they say.
You may notice that the 700 Club does not have a toll-free call in number
where you can ask them questions and debate them. They express strong
political views everyday and you are not allowed to call them (except on
Mondays with questions about investing money). Other religious TV shows
screen their calls in order to "weed out" those callers who don't agree
with them.
Laconia. You are right. These people are very biased and they do pick and
choose from the bible what is comfortable for them. I grew up in a very
strict religious home where my parents thumped everything in the bible,
and there are many, many things that are considered to be evil, even
things that you haven't even mentioned.
Laconia. Because you are a well informed, strong minded person, these
people have given up on trying to "convert" you. You are a "lost cause".
As far as they are concerned, you are on your way to hell.
Keep up the good work Laconia.
> In article
> <E60CED1406BABA51.96DC1CAE...@library-proxy.airnews
> ..net>, "Christian Warrior" <ju...@ezaccess.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > You forget, dear, I replied to you as well,
> > but I guess that doesn't matter since you
> > insist on acting like a child who hums and
> > covers her ears rather than hear what you
> > don't want to
Bruce Garrett
jdb...@metronet.nospam.com (J.D. Black) wonders...
>> its ok to ENSLAVE people but not to love them....
JB> Since when has homophilia equated to love?
Oh...since the first same sex couple fell in love. I couldn't fix
a precise time and date for you, but it's a safe bet that it happened some
time around when the first opposite sex couple fell in love.
Here it is again: "Homosexuals don't love, they just have sex."
You've said just about all there is for you to say on this matter, haven't
you JD? I don't think "BIGOT" in neon lights on your forehead could make
the point you're trying to make here any plainer. Maybe if you just
changed you name to I. Loath Gays...
---
-Bruce Garrett \ http://www.pobox.com/~bgarrett
Cockeysville, MD. / \ Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth; for
thy love is better then wine. -The Song of Solomon
Bob
broken heart. Lighten up, the world is not as bad as you think. Bob
(remove the spam when replying)
George M. Carter
Bob <ba...@spam.saber.net> wrote:
Your concern is touching but your commentary irrelevant. I wasn't
talking about the "world" I was talking about the singular talent of
fundamentalists to try and impose their narrow, hate-filled worldview
on the rest of us by supporting bigotry through public policy. That
part of the world remains a constant struggle.
What's your story?
George M. Carter
Ward Stewart
Bob <ba...@spam.saber.net> wrote:
>~George M. Carter wrote:
>~>
>~> "Eva Jung" <ju...@ezaccess.net> wrote:
>~>
>~> >If you're not interested, then why did you even read Jesse's post ?
>~> >Eva
>~>
>~> You make a common mistake. Many of us are not interested in the
>~> christian faith per se or simply are not practicing the religion.
>~> Unfortunately, as people are interested in the activities of the thief
>~> in the night prowling about the house, we are interested in the
>~> activities of groups that are out to rob us of our rights, health and
>~> lives by their pernicious hatred wrapped in the thin and tattered
>~> cloth of their bible-thumping hypocrisies.
>~>
>~> George M. Carter
>~Man, someone must have hurt you real bad . . . sounds like you have a
>~broken heart. Lighten up, the world is not as bad as you think. Bob
>~(remove the spam when replying)
There are, in YOUR pulpets and in YOUR churches many hundreds fo
"clerics" who are bringing us the loving message that homosexuality is
an offense against god and deserves to be punished by death! The
"Rev" Pat Robertson leads this pack of hounds baying for our blood.
You then require that WE should "lighten up."
Do you see no incongruity in this? Get your dog off my ankle and THEN
suggest that I lighten up -- in the meantime it is up to the dog to
lighten up!
ward
^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
Ward and George
41 years together,
yet strangers before
the law.
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
John De Salvio
Bob <ba...@spam.saber.net> wrote:
>George M. Carter wrote:
> Man, someone must have hurt you real bad . . . sounds like you have a
> broken heart. Lighten up, the world is not as bad as you think. Bob
No, Bob, he was stating facts as experienced by many thousands of
homosexuals in the U.S.
>>"we are interested in the
>> activities of groups that are out to rob us of our rights, health and
>> lives by their pernicious hatred wrapped in the thin and tattered
>> cloth of their bible-thumping hypocrisies."
Focus on the Family, Christian Coalition, Family Research Council,
Traditional Values Coalition, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jesse
Helms, Phyllis Schlafly, Richard Socarides, to name just a few of the
myriad groups attempting to legislate AGAINST the rights of gays to
live in peace, with the SAME rights as everyone else.
Maybe you should visit the gravesites of all the gay people who
were murdered because they were gay, not because of anything
they did; killed because bible-thumping hypocrites gave the thugs
the excuse to do it.
"God hates fags."
Sound familiar?
wf...@enter.netxx
>In article <34749219...@news.enter.net>, wf...@enter.netxx wrote:
>
>}interesting
>}since the bible approves of SLAVERY
>
>Uh, no.
gee you say that....
but show no proof.
ive given the reference where it DOES (eph 6:5ff)...so unless you got
the gospel according to jd....
>
>}its ok to ENSLAVE people but not
>}to love them....
>
>Since when has homophilia equated to love?
dont know any gays do you? you saying they CANT love?
prove it.
===============================================================
if you want to know who 'wf3h' is, go to the 'qrz' database and
enter 'wf3h' at the prompt
wf...@enter.netxx
On 29 Nov 1997 14:00:35 GMT, bgar...@pobox.com (Bruce Garrett) wrote:
>You've said just about all there is for you to say on this matter, haven't
>you JD? I don't think "BIGOT" in neon lights on your forehead could make
>the point you're trying to make here any plainer
when the hell did JD get a forehead?
George M. Carter
des...@monitor.net (John De Salvio) wrote:
>Focus on the Family, Christian Coalition, Family Research Council,
>Traditional Values Coalition, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jesse
>Helms, Phyllis Schlafly, Richard Socarides, to name just a few of the
>myriad groups attempting to legislate AGAINST the rights of gays to
>live in peace, with the SAME rights as everyone else.
Thanks, John, for adding specifics to my commentary.
George
James Mamone
On Sun, 30 Nov 1997 05:34:52 GMT, wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
wrote:
>Bob <ba...@spam.saber.net> wrote:
>
>>~George M. Carter wrote:
>>~>
>>~> "Eva Jung" <ju...@ezaccess.net> wrote:
>>~>
>>~> >If you're not interested, then why did you even read Jesse's post ?
>>~> >Eva
>There are, in YOUR pulpets and in YOUR churches many hundreds fo
>"clerics" who are bringing us the loving message that homosexuality is
>an offense against god and deserves to be punished by death! The
>"Rev" Pat Robertson leads this pack of hounds baying for our blood.
>
>You then require that WE should "lighten up."
>
>Do you see no incongruity in this? Get your dog off my ankle and THEN
>suggest that I lighten up -- in the meantime it is up to the dog to
>lighten up!
>
>ward
>
>
>^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
> Ward and George
> 41 years together,
> yet strangers before
> the law.
>~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
>
>
Although there may be some individuals being too agressive with this,
it is a fact that homosexuality is not an accepted practice to the
Lord. I understand that it is very difficult to hear things such as
this when you are deeply rooted in something, and especially being so
effectively controlled by Satan, but nonetheless you would not be
hearing it if God were not drawing you to him. If God had given up on
you and did not love you, you would not be hearing the Gospel, trust
me. I was deeply rooted in drugs and theft among other things. It
was very hard for me to hear that God wanted something different for
me. I also had a great many problems with pornography and sexual
perversion, and I KNOW that this is something that is very, very hard
to put behind you.
Maybe if you understood what is happening today, and not necessarily
the Gospel (which a lot of people understand and still deny), you
would see things in a different light. Every piece of prophetic
Scripture is coming to be more and more every day. If you would like
to discuss this at all, I would be more than happy to do this, WITHOUT
CONDEMNING your current lifestyle. I do not have to put you down to
have a discussion with you or discuss Scripture with you. If anyone
would like to discuss this, I urge you to write me. But please, no
harsh words or battles, slurs, or such things. I will not resort to
these, so I please ask that you do not.
God Bless,
James Mamone
OinK! ~(^@^)~
Tom Goodman wrote:
> Not only God hates fags, he also kills them.
> Proverbs 6:15 Therefore disaster will overtake him in an instant; he
> will suddenly be destroyed--without remedy.
>
> Without remedy or cure !
Hmmm---sounds like this could have been written about Cancer, Heart
Attacks, Hit And Run, Plane Crashes, Polio, Lightening Strikes,
Hurricanes, Earthquakes, et cetera et cetera, and life in general...
Does that mean the entire world is hated by God? Or just "fags"??
RevOink!
Tom Goodman
On Sun, 30 Nov 1997 14:32:13 GMT, chao...@rio.com (James Mamone)
wrote:
>Although there may be some individuals being too agressive with this,
>it is a fact that homosexuality is not an accepted practice to the
>Lord. I understand that it is very difficult to hear things such as
>this when you are deeply rooted in something, and especially being so
>effectively controlled by Satan, but nonetheless you would not be
>hearing it if God were not drawing you to him. If God had given up on
>you and did not love you, you would not be hearing the Gospel, trust
>me. I was deeply rooted in drugs and theft among other things. It
>was very hard for me to hear that God wanted something different for
>me. I also had a great many problems with pornography and sexual
>perversion, and I KNOW that this is something that is very, very hard
>to put behind you.
>
>Maybe if you understood what is happening today, and not necessarily
>the Gospel (which a lot of people understand and still deny), you
>would see things in a different light. Every piece of prophetic
>Scripture is coming to be more and more every day. If you would like
>to discuss this at all, I would be more than happy to do this, WITHOUT
>CONDEMNING your current lifestyle. I do not have to put you down to
>have a discussion with you or discuss Scripture with you. If anyone
>would like to discuss this, I urge you to write me. But please, no
>harsh words or battles, slurs, or such things. I will not resort to
>these, so I please ask that you do not.
>
>God Bless,
>
>James Mamone
Very good, James.
Peter I 4:10 Each one should use whatever gift he has received to
serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various
forms.
Tom Goodman
>
>Maybe you should visit the gravesites of all the gay people who
>were murdered because they were gay, not because of anything
>they did; killed because bible-thumping hypocrites gave the thugs
>the excuse to do it.
Most of the fags were killed by their own kind through "free gift" of
HIV. You are making false murder accusation against innocent people,
there were more fags murdered by fags. Did you forget the serial
murders just few months ago ? Fags not only killed themselves and
also innocent babies and hemophiliacs by deliberately donate infected
blood.
>
>"God hates fags."
>
>Sound familiar?
Not only God hates fags, he also kills them.
Proverbs 6:12 A scoundrel and villain, who goes about with a corrupt
mouth,
Proverbs 6:13 who winks with his eye, signals with his feet and
motions with his fingers,
Proverbs 6:14 who plots evil with deceit in his heart-- he always
stirs up dissension.
NIGHSLYR1
Sometime after the 30th of November someone at>From: Kin...@ofGOD.com (Tom
Goodman)wrote:
>Most of the fags were killed by their own kind through "free gift" of
>HIV.
Statistics have proven that the heterosexual community has increased the threat
of HIV moreso than the gay community. The "fags" have long since realized the
value of a human life. Straight people thinks it can't happen to them so they
continue to practice unsafe sexual acts!!!!!!
>You are making false murder accusation against innocent people,
>there were more fags murdered by fags.
>Did you forget the serial
>murders just few months ago ?
I don't think anyone forgets the serial killers.....gay or straight. Although
there were more straight murdrers that you hear about.
Do you know why it is a big hype when there is a gay serial killer? It's
because the gay community doesn't have to get that violent for any STUPID
reason.
>Fags not only killed themselves and
>also innocent babies and hemophiliacs by deliberately donate infected
>blood.
Staight mothers have killed their children because straight fathers have
cheated on them with prostitutes and whores who have a higher risk of carrying
the HIV virus!!
>>"God hates fags."
God hates liars, blasphemers, adulterers, murderers, cheats, etc, etc, etc....
>Sound familiar?
Sounds like someone hasn't taken the time to read the Bible more closely.
>Not only God hates fags, he also kills them.
God does not kill......Man does in his name.....I don't know who your God is
but my God is a loving God!!
>Proverbs 6:12 A scoundrel and villain, who goes about with a corrupt
>mouth,
>Proverbs 6:13 who winks with his eye, signals with his feet and
>motions with his fingers,
>Proverbs 6:14 who plots evil with deceit in his heart-- he always
>stirs up dissension.
>Proverbs 6:15 Therefore disaster will overtake him in an instant; he
>will suddenly be destroyed--without remedy.
>
>Without remedy or cure !
>
>
By the way there is a cure for HIV and Aids in Germany. They do not have the
"Twenty Million Dollars" to pay the "Food and Drug Administration (FDA)" to get
the cure in the United States. Do your homework!! They have, though, spent the
last twenty or more years researching it.
If it was our "precious Presidents child" that contracted the HIV virus; she
would all-of-a-sudden be cured.
Anyone can find verses in the Bible to suit them. I may not know from memory
where they came from but, here's a couple for you!!!!
"Judge not, less thee be judged."
"He who is without sin; cast the first stone."
"If you live in glass house, do not throw rocks."
nightslayer
Magenta
chao...@rio.com (James Mamone) doth speak:
>Although there may be some individuals being too agressive with this,
>it is a fact that homosexuality is not an accepted practice to the
>Lord.
And when exactly did you discuss this with the Lord?
Please stop reading your bigotry into the Bible.
Read the ENTIRE Bible, not just a few lines taken out of context.
Klansmen claim blacks are the sons of Cain thus hated by God, Sexists
claim Eve sinned not Adam thus women are inferior to men, Anti-semites
claim jews killed Jesus thus must be exterminated, and of course we
have "suffer not a which to live" which resulted in mass murder in
God's name. Now we have the scapegoating of homosexuals.
>I understand that it is very difficult to hear things such as
>this when you are deeply rooted in something, and especially being so
>effectively controlled by Satan, but nonetheless you would not be
>hearing it if God were not drawing you to him.
Satan is not the simpleton you make him. Satan's work is to deceive
humanity bay causing people to fight against one another, each
claiming to be favored by God. Stop doing Satan's work by condemning
an entire group of people that you know absolutely nothing about. Free
yourself of this sin.
>If God had given up on
>you and did not love you, you would not be hearing the Gospel, trust
>me. I was deeply rooted in drugs and theft among other things. It
>was very hard for me to hear that God wanted something different for
>me. I also had a great many problems with pornography and sexual
>perversion, and I KNOW that this is something that is very, very hard
>to put behind you.
These problems in your life have NOTHING to do with homosexuality.
Homosexuality is not an addiction, it is not a crime against God or
mankind. Homosexuality is not something to put behind us because it IS
us. It is the way God made us despite your ignorance of it.
>Maybe if you understood what is happening today, and not necessarily
>the Gospel (which a lot of people understand and still deny), you
>would see things in a different light. Every piece of prophetic
>Scripture is coming to be more and more every day.
And one of those is the false prophets, such as Pat Robertson, Jerry
Fallwell and the assorted other "Fundamentalists". They do Satan's
work by condemning homosexuals, jews, blacks, and everyone else in
God's creation who is not like them.
> If you would like
>to discuss this at all, I would be more than happy to do this, WITHOUT
>CONDEMNING your current lifestyle. I do not have to put you down to
>have a discussion with you or discuss Scripture with you.
Well, you are off to a piss-poor start by claiming to speak for the
Lord than putting shit in his mouth.
>If anyone
>would like to discuss this, I urge you to write me. But please, no
>harsh words or battles, slurs, or such things. I will not resort to
>these, so I please ask that you do not.
Your very first sentence:
"homosexuality is not an accepted practice to the Lord."
Before you claim to be inoffensive, learn what is or is not offensive.
Homosexuality is NOT a "practice", it is who we are. Homosexuality is
not unacceptable to the lord because that is how the lord made us.
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Magenta
Kin...@ofGOD.com (Tom Goodman) doth speak:
>>it is a fact that homosexuality is not an accepted practice to the
>>harsh words or battles, slurs, or such things. I will not resort to
>>these, so I please ask that you do not.
>>James Mamone
>
>Very good, James.
So James, take a look at the kind of person who is complementing your
post. Take a look at the mindset of the people who agree with you.
Is HE the company you want to keep?
Sandra Tendam
Maybe we can visit grave sites to find gays because of us bible-thumpers.
But how many more bible-thumpers will you find because of gays. There are
two sides of the story. We are not out to kill gays. We are out to bring
to you the truth according to the Word of God. Bob's not out to get you,
neither am I. How you choose to live is between you and God. How can you
make wise decisions without having choices. We present to you another way
to live.
John De Salvio <des...@monitor.net> wrote in article
<desalvo-3011...@rp12.pm.monitor.net>...
> Bob <ba...@spam.saber.net> wrote:
>
> >George M. Carter wrote:
>
> > Man, someone must have hurt you real bad . . . sounds like you have a
> > broken heart. Lighten up, the world is not as bad as you think. Bob
>
> No, Bob, he was stating facts as experienced by many thousands of
> homosexuals in the U.S.
>
> >>"we are interested in the
> >> activities of groups that are out to rob us of our rights, health and
> >> lives by their pernicious hatred wrapped in the thin and tattered
> >> cloth of their bible-thumping hypocrisies."
>
> Focus on the Family, Christian Coalition, Family Research Council,
> Traditional Values Coalition, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jesse
> Helms, Phyllis Schlafly, Richard Socarides, to name just a few of the
> myriad groups attempting to legislate AGAINST the rights of gays to
> live in peace, with the SAME rights as everyone else.
>
> Maybe you should visit the gravesites of all the gay people who
> were murdered because they were gay, not because of anything
> they did; killed because bible-thumping hypocrites gave the thugs
> the excuse to do it.
>
> "God hates fags."
>
> Sound familiar?
>
Tom Goodman
On 1 Dec 97 05:45:35 GMT, "Sandra Tendam" <el...@idirect.com> wrote:
>Maybe we can visit grave sites to find gays because of us bible-thumpers.
>But how many more bible-thumpers will you find because of gays. There are
>two sides of the story. We are not out to kill gays. We are out to bring
>to you the truth according to the Word of God. Bob's not out to get you,
>neither am I. How you choose to live is between you and God. How can you
>make wise decisions without having choices. We present to you another way
>to live.
>
They are so scared of people telling them homosexuality is wrong, they
trying to find all sorts of excsues to cover their evilness.
John 3:20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come
into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
Ward Stewart
chao...@rio.com (James Mamone) wrote:
>~On Sun, 30 Nov 1997 05:34:52 GMT, wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart)
>~wrote:
>~>Bob <ba...@spam.saber.net> wrote:
>~>
>~>>~George M. Carter wrote:
>~>>~>
>~>>~> "Eva Jung" <ju...@ezaccess.net> wrote:
>~>>~>
>~>>~> >If you're not interested, then why did you even read Jesse's post ?
>~>>~> >Eva
>~>There are, in YOUR pulpets and in YOUR churches many hundreds fo
>~>"clerics" who are bringing us the loving message that homosexuality is
>~>an offense against god and deserves to be punished by death! The
>~>"Rev" Pat Robertson leads this pack of hounds baying for our blood.
>~>
>~>You then require that WE should "lighten up."
>~>
>~>Do you see no incongruity in this? Get your dog off my ankle and THEN
>~>suggest that I lighten up -- in the meantime it is up to the dog to
>~>lighten up!
>~>
>~>ward
>~>
>~>
>~>^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
>~> Ward and George
>~> 41 years together,
>~> yet strangers before
>~> the law.
>~>~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^
>~>
>~>
>~Although there may be some individuals being too agressive with this,
>~it is a fact that homosexuality is not an accepted practice to the
>~Lord.
I could not possible care less about YOUR bizarre version of what IS
and what is not acceptible to your peculiar diety, OR Buddha, OR
Bramha or whatever comes down the pike.
>I understand that it is very difficult to hear >things such as
>~this when you are deeply rooted in something, and especially being so
>~effectively controlled by Satan, but nonetheless you would not be
>~hearing it if God were not drawing you to him.
Am I to presume that Satan is in charge of my E-Mail? A fatuous
notion -- indeed, silly as hell!
If God had given up on
>~you and did not love you, you would not be hearing the Gospel, trust
>~me. I was deeply rooted in drugs and theft among other things. It
>~was very hard for me to hear that God wanted something different for
>~me. I also had a great many problems with pornography and sexual
>~perversion, and I KNOW that this is something that is very, very hard
>~to put behind you.
I spent the last ten years of my nursing career working with the
residents of the Bowery in New York City -- I gave loving, hands-on
care to people that most of you would not touch with a stick -- -
during most of that time I volunteered a day a week working with AIDS
patients, again giving lovinghands-on care to folks most of you would
not touch at all!
>~Maybe if you understood what is happening today, and not necessarily
>~the Gospel (which a lot of people understand and still deny), you
>~would see things in a different light. Every piece of prophetic
>~Scripture is coming to be more and more every day. If you would like
>~to discuss this at all, I would be more than happy to do this, WITHOUT
>~CONDEMNING your current lifestyle. I do not have to put you down to
>~have a discussion with you or discuss Scripture with you. If anyone
>~would like to discuss this, I urge you to write me. But please, no
>~harsh words or battles, slurs, or such things. I will not resort to
>~these, so I please ask that you do not.
>~God Bless,
>~James Mamone
When you tell me that I am "controlled by Satan." And then compare my
life, forty years of faithful love and devotion to one person with
your former career as a junkie and thief -- you HAVE spoken harsh
words and slurs!
I have nothing to discuss with save your delusions -- I realize that
you have used them to mend a tattered psyche and patch it together
somehow --- be my guest.
Be reminded, however, that you are NOT invited to set up housekeeping
in MY life.
ward
***********************************************************
"I am constantly mystified by this notion of "disagreeing"
with homosexuality -- not unlike disagreeing with Tuesday --
like it or not, every seven days, there it is -- TUESDAY.
uncle ward
***********************************************************
Paul Duca
Tom Goodman wrote:
>
> On 1 Dec 97 05:45:35 GMT, "Sandra Tendam" <el...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
> >Maybe we can visit grave sites to find gays because of us bible-thumpers.
> >But how many more bible-thumpers will you find because of gays. There are
> >two sides of the story. We are not out to kill gays. We are out to bring
> >to you the truth according to the Word of God. Bob's not out to get you,
> >neither am I. How you choose to live is between you and God. How can you
> >make wise decisions without having choices. We present to you another way
> >to live.
> >
>
> They are so scared of people telling them homosexuality is wrong, they
> trying to find all sorts of excsues to cover their evilness.
>
until the unlikely event of God dropping large amounts of cash from a
clear blue sky...the only thing Tom will EVER consider a true
blessing(He may still think that gays MUST have stolen all the previous
drops before he was able to get to them).
Paul
Paul Duca
> >this when you are deeply rooted in something, and especially being so
> >you and did not love you, you would not be hearing the Gospel, trust
> >
> >Maybe if you understood what is happening today, and not necessarily
> >
> >
> >James Mamone
>
> Very good, James.
>
> serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various
> forms.
While not being unkind towards Mr. Mamone, the only way to get a civil
answer from Tom is basically to kiss his posterior--say everything he
thinks is wonderful and marvelous and straight from the mouth of the
Lord.
Paul
OinK! ~(^@^)~
Paul Duca wrote:
>...the only way to get a civil
> answer from Tom is basically to kiss his posterior--say everything he
> thinks is wonderful and marvelous and straight from the mouth of the
> Lord.
>
> Paul
Paul---like this???
Dear Tom-
"Know ye not that a little leaven (THAT WOULD BE YOU, TOM) leaveneth the
whole lump?....Therefore put away from
among yourselves that wicked person(THIS WOULD BE YOU, TOM!)." I
Corinthians 5:6, 13.
Love-
RevOinK!
John De Salvio
In article <01bcfe2c$57bc36e0$546588cf@default>, "Sandra Tendam"
<el...@idirect.com> wrote:
> Maybe we can visit grave sites to find gays because of us bible-thumpers.
> But how many more bible-thumpers will you find because of gays.
Far, far too many. You are a bunch of unwanted busybodies who think you
have the exclusive on God and salvation.
Guess again.
Analyse these words:
"In my Father's house there are many mansions."
Think about it for once.
>There are
> two sides of the story.
We are not out to kill gays.
Not directly.
But you start on a wrong premise, that, being AS GOD WANTED US
TO BE doesn't fit your narrow and faulty interpretation of mistranslated
Biblical prooftexting that were not meant to be used by anyone else but the
tribes of Israel.
You denegrate our lives as sinful, when in fact it has been MAN who
said we are sinful, NOT GOD, and NEVER Jesus... when, in fact, you
know so little about what you speak, and about homosexuality.
You expect people to believe that a LOVING God needs to threaten
eternal damnation to get someone to love Him. How petulent!
You preach hellfire and damnation if we don't follow what YOU think
is God's mind. You are presumptious to the extreme!
And to the poor young teenagers to whom you preach this condemnation
in the name of God, you lead them to the belief that what they are is
hated by God, so they go and kill themselves because even God hates them.
I have spoken to some of the parents who, after a life of preaching to their
gay son what you preach, they say over his body, "What have we done?"
And these parents wake up to the fact that there was nothing wrong,
nothing sinful, nothing sick about their now dead child.
No, you may not DIRECTLY kill anyone, but the job gets done,
and so often in the name of God.
Believe me. I know several families ruined by sanctimonious so-called
Christians out to "save" someone.
Inwardly these "christians" are ravenous wolves.
> We are out to bring
> to you the truth according to the Word of God.
You are out to proselytize your brand of religion when IT IS NOT
WANTED.
I am quite happy with my religion, my relationship with God. You can offer
me NOTHING that I don't already have better than you could hope to imagine.
> Bob's not out to get you,
> neither am I. How you choose to live is between you and God.
Right.
IT IS NONE OF <YOUR> BUSINESS.
BUTT OUT!
> How can you
> make wise decisions without having choices. We present to you another way
> to live.
That is not living. That is denying our God-given life, whether you choose
to believe it or not. We've been force-fed your way all our early lives.
Now, as you even suggested, we have made wise decisions by finding
other choices... choices that reflect Jesus' love, not a god of hate.
Sandra Tendam
I quess that they don't understand that until they let themselves be
exposed to God, they will not receive forgiveness of sins.
Tom Goodman <Kin...@ofGOD.com> wrote in article
<34d884e9...@news.comnet.ca>...
> On 1 Dec 97 05:45:35 GMT, "Sandra Tendam" <el...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
> >Maybe we can visit grave sites to find gays because of us
bible-thumpers.
> >But how many more bible-thumpers will you find because of gays. There
are
> >two sides of the story. We are not out to kill gays. We are out to
bring
> >to you the truth according to the Word of God. Bob's not out to get
you,
> >neither am I. How you choose to live is between you and God. How can
you
> >make wise decisions without having choices. We present to you another
way
> >to live.
> >
>
> They are so scared of people telling them homosexuality is wrong, they
> trying to find all sorts of excsues to cover their evilness.
>
Magenta
wste...@hi.net (Ward Stewart) doth speak:
>Am I to presume that Satan is in charge of my E-Mail?
Nah, can't be. He works at my company managing our network. ;-)
Lee
On Mon, 01 Dec 1997 01:28:59 GMT, Kin...@ofGOD.com (Tom Goodman)
wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Nov 1997 07:23:20 -0700, des...@monitor.net (John De
>Salvio) wrote:
>
>>
>>Maybe you should visit the gravesites of all the gay people who
>>were murdered because they were gay, not because of anything
>>they did; killed because bible-thumping hypocrites gave the thugs
>>the excuse to do it.
>
>Most of the fags were killed by their own kind through "free gift" of
>HIV. You are making false murder accusation against innocent people,
>there were more fags murdered by fags. Did you forget the serial
>murders just few months ago ? Fags not only killed themselves and
>also innocent babies and hemophiliacs by deliberately donate infected
>blood.
>>
>>"God hates fags."
>>
>>Sound familiar?
>
>Not only God hates fags, he also kills them.
>
>Proverbs 6:12 A scoundrel and villain, who goes about with a corrupt
>mouth,
>Proverbs 6:13 who winks with his eye, signals with his feet and
>motions with his fingers,
>Proverbs 6:14 who plots evil with deceit in his heart-- he always
>stirs up dissension.
>Proverbs 6:15 Therefore disaster will overtake him in an instant; he
>will suddenly be destroyed--without remedy.
>
>Without remedy or cure !
Why do you defile God's name like this? Do you really think HE won't
notice? You're betting your soul he won't and something tells me
you're wrong.
Lee - From beautiful central Indiana
Practice random acts of kindness and senseless beauty
hax...@scican.net
Lee
On Sun, 30 Nov 1997 17:49:24 -0800, "OinK! ~(^@^)~" <dadp...@att.net>
wrote:
>Tom Goodman wrote:
>
>> Not only God hates fags, he also kills them.
>
>> Proverbs 6:15 Therefore disaster will overtake him in an instant; he
>> will suddenly be destroyed--without remedy.
>>
>> Without remedy or cure !
>
>
>Hmmm---sounds like this could have been written about Cancer, Heart
>Attacks, Hit And Run, Plane Crashes, Polio, Lightening Strikes,
>Hurricanes, Earthquakes, et cetera et cetera, and life in general...
>
>Does that mean the entire world is hated by God? Or just "fags"??
ONE-THIRD of the world's population has TB. Tom, do you think that's
because God hates everyone?
Three young people where killed in Paducah, KY today while praying.
Do you think that means God hates those who pray, too?
Lee
On 1 Dec 97 05:45:35 GMT, "Sandra Tendam" <el...@idirect.com> wrote:
>Maybe we can visit grave sites to find gays because of us bible-thumpers.
>But how many more bible-thumpers will you find because of gays. There are
>two sides of the story. We are not out to kill gays. We are out to bring
>to you the truth according to the Word of God. Bob's not out to get you,
>neither am I. How you choose to live is between you and God. How can you
>make wise decisions without having choices. We present to you another way
>to live.
Okay and what if they do not chose to live the way you want them to?
What if two gay men move in next door to you? What if you find out
your child's teacher is gay? What if your child tells you s/he's gay?
What if a gay couple wants to rent an apartment from you? What if a
gay couple just want to live their lives in peace without being told
over and over and over again what sinners you think they are?
Lee
On Mon, 01 Dec 1997 09:37:24 GMT, Kin...@ofGOD.com (Tom Goodman)
wrote:
>They are so scared of people telling them homosexuality is wrong, they
>trying to find all sorts of excsues to cover their evilness.
Talking about yourself again, Tom? Still asking my question: What is
your purpose for posting these hateful things? Are you trying to
glorify God? Praise His holy name? Lead those who are lost to
Christ? Or just be a foul mouthed pretender?
L. Michael Roberts
Tom Goodman wrote:
<snip>
>
> Without remedy or cure !
If this is the case, then why are you here in this NG selling your
snake-oil, turn to 'Christianity/The bible/God' cure?
+====================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Burlington, Ont, Canada - to reply, remove '0spam' from my address
+====================================================================+
Tom Goodman
On Mon, 01 Dec 1997 19:03:09 -0500, Paul Duca <toms...@tiac.net>
wrote:
Your responses are too stupid and illogical, so I won't even bother to
read them anymore. The same goes for few other antichrists. You are
such a waste of oxygen.
Sandra Tendam
Tell me...if someone has the desire to massacre millions, are they just
acting our how God made them? would like you to read what I posted. If
you find that I am condemning you. please read again, I am only defending
Christians. If we are unwanted, go to the gay newsgroups. This group is
for talking about Christ, The bible says homosexuals will not enter
heaven, neither will liars, so what problem do you have with being told the
truth? I have a feeling it's the accountability thing. Well, you are
accountable to God for what you do so am I and everyone else. I just don't
want to tell God I didn't share the truth with you because you might get
offended. Buddy...I would rather you hate me than for you to go to hell.
Remeber God Himself says that homosexuals will not enter heaven. Those are
not my words.<desalvo-0112...@rp08.pm.monitor.net>...
> In article <01bcfe2c$57bc36e0$546588cf@default>, "Sandra Tendam"
> <el...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
> > Maybe we can visit grave sites to find gays because of us
bible-thumpers.
> > But how many more bible-thumpers will you find because of gays.
>
> have the exclusive on God and salvation.
>
> Guess again.
>
> Analyse these words:
>
> "In my Father's house there are many mansions."
>
> Think about it for once.
>
> > two sides of the story.
>
> We are not out to kill gays.
>
> > to you the truth according to the Word of God.
>
> WANTED.
>
> I am quite happy with my religion, my relationship with God. You can
offer
> me NOTHING that I don't already have better than you could hope to
imagine.
>
> > neither am I. How you choose to live is between you and God.
>
>
> IT IS NONE OF <YOUR> BUSINESS.
>
> BUTT OUT!
>
> > make wise decisions without having choices. We present to you another
way
> > to live.
>
Sandra Tendam
I don't need to worry about the gay teacher thing, my children are
homeschooled. But as far as the others go, I would not have a problem. If
I had a business anywhere, would I only cater to Christians? No, all I
would ask that anything indecent be kept behind closed door, even with the
heterosexual I would ask the same same. But if there were choices having
to be made because of a conflict between a homo and hetero my choices need
to be based on the Word of God, not fear of being politically uncorrect,
prejudice, a bigot. But remember also, I can live beside you in peace for
this is the will of God, but I am not to proclaim it is right when it's
not, nor am to push on others that because someone is a minority group that
they need special priviledge and that we have to cater to everytime time
they feel they are offended. Converting you to my belief is not my job.
That is God's. God's hands are tied when Christians don't proclaim the
truth. We have to be faithful to proclaim the truth, God looks after the
fruit of it.
If one day my children should decide to turn away from their biblical
teaching, I put my faith in the verse "teach your children in the way they
should go and when they're old they will not depart from it." Children
will certainly try their wings when they reach a certain age. They will
make the wrong decisions. But after a while they will see the mess they
get themselves into and will remember why they are in a mess.
Then they turn back to God. In the meantime, no matter how much my heart
breaks, I will keep believing and love my children. My parents had to
believe this for seven long years. But they never once turned me away nor
did they give up on me. I returned eventual;lly to my biblical teaching
and now live guilt free in my God. I'm not out to hurt you buddy, I just
need to do what I feel is right as you do.
Lee <C...@sig.4address> wrote in article
<34837720...@news.netdirect.net>...
> On 1 Dec 97 05:45:35 GMT, "Sandra Tendam" <el...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
> >Maybe we can visit grave sites to find gays because of us
bible-thumpers.
> >But how many more bible-thumpers will you find because of gays. There
are
> >two sides of the story. We are not out to kill gays. We are out to
bring
> >to you the truth according to the Word of God. Bob's not out to get
you,
> >neither am I. How you choose to live is between you and God. How can
you
> >make wise decisions without having choices. We present to you another
way
> >to live.
>
> Okay and what if they do not chose to live the way you want them to?
> What if two gay men move in next door to you? What if you find out
> your child's teacher is gay? What if your child tells you s/he's gay?
> What if a gay couple wants to rent an apartment from you? What if a
> gay couple just want to live their lives in peace without being told
> over and over and over again what sinners you think they are?
>
>
>
>
Paul Duca
Interesting...you say this when I say that the God of hate for others
may have difficulty becoming the God of friendship and prosperity for
Tom Goodman--that it's not easy to shut off the rage.
Paul
OinK! ~(^@^)~
Sandra Tendam wrote:
>
> I don't need to worry about the gay teacher thing, my children are
> homeschooled.
Like Susan Smiths' kids??
RevOinK!
Don Streeter
I almost always agree with your statements, RevOink, the reference to
Susan Smith however, I think, was extreme, judgemental, and hurtful. Don.
Ward Stewart
Paul Duca <toms...@tiac.net> wrote:
>~Tom Goodman wrote:
>~>
>~> On Mon, 01 Dec 1997 19:03:09 -0500, Paul Duca <toms...@tiac.net>
>~> wrote:
>~>
>~> Your responses are too stupid and illogical, so I won't even bother to
>~> read them anymore. The same goes for few other antichrists. You are
>~> such a waste of oxygen.
>~ Interesting...you say this when I say that the God of hate for others
>~may have difficulty becoming the God of friendship and prosperity for
>~Tom Goodman--that it's not easy to shut off the rage.
>~Paul
Astonishing from the same Paul who popped up in my private mailbox
with this little bon-bon.
------------
From: Paul Duca <toms...@tiac.net>
>>
>Kin...@ofGOD.com (Tom Goodman) wrote:
>>~I pray to God so he will wipe out all those fags as soon as
possible.
>>~Fags are enemies of God, they are children of the devil. Fags are
dangerous to the world.
Ward responded --
It is my fervent wish that you arrive at the hour of judgement with
these sentiments fresh on your lips.
>> >
ward
Paul summoned up his transcendant grasp on truth, religion and human
sexuality and respomded --
>> Proverbs 10:21 The lips of the righteous nourish many, but fools die
>> for lack of judgment.
>>
>
> And maybe if those lips were between the legs of a woman a little more
>often, YOU'D have less of a need to come here acting out your
>frustration and disappointment.
>
>Paul
-------------------
ward
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"The default condition for a citizen in our republic is that
he is FREE to act as he will. He is NOT to be restricted by
prejudices and animosity amongst his neighbors -- if THEY
wish to restrain him from his freedom, THEY must demonstrate
the public interest in so restricting him."
Uncle Ward
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Sandra Tendam
To set the record straight, God destroys all who oppose Him, He saves all
who do according to His will. That doesn't always mean that because
someone dies of a heart attack or has cancer that God hates them. Why
would you think disease is a God thing? The bible says that the
enemy(Satan) comes to rob, kill and destroy. Perhaps heart attacks happen
because people walk out of God's will by entertaining the lusts of the
flesh and eat at McDonalds a little more than the body can take, or they
can be found visiting Tim Horton's cardiovascular plugging donut shop a
little to often. Eating is not sinful but gluttony and not taking care of
our temples is out of God's will and therefore we are out of His
protection. Why think that God hates people with cancer, it has nothing to
do with Him. We have chosen to pollute the perfect world He gave us
dominion over. Is it God's fault if the greedy money hungry Mr. Business
guy didn't care for the millions he would destroy by dumping cancer causing
agents into our waters and waste sites? Think about it, who is it who
comes to rob, kill and destroy? When we choose not to follow God's way, He
just has to sit back and watch us kill ourselves by our own lusts. Because
He does not act on our behalf, we are destroyed
Lee <C...@sig.4address> wrote in article
<348375a2...@news.netdirect.net>...
> On Mon, 01 Dec 1997 01:28:59 GMT, Kin...@ofGOD.com (Tom Goodman)
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 30 Nov 1997 07:23:20 -0700, des...@monitor.net (John De
> >Salvio) wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Maybe you should visit the gravesites of all the gay people who
> >>were murdered because they were gay, not because of anything
> >>they did; killed because bible-thumping hypocrites gave the thugs
> >>the excuse to do it.
> >
> >Most of the fags were killed by their own kind through "free gift" of
> >HIV. You are making false murder accusation against innocent people,
> >there were more fags murdered by fags. Did you forget the serial
> >murders just few months ago ? Fags not only killed themselves and
> >also innocent babies and hemophiliacs by deliberately donate infected
> >blood.
> >>
> >>"God hates fags."
> >>
> >>Sound familiar?
> >
> >Not only God hates fags, he also kills them.
> >
> >Proverbs 6:12 A scoundrel and villain, who goes about with a corrupt
> >mouth,
> >Proverbs 6:13 who winks with his eye, signals with his feet and
> >motions with his fingers,
> >Proverbs 6:14 who plots evil with deceit in his heart-- he always
> >stirs up dissension.
> >Proverbs 6:15 Therefore disaster will overtake him in an instant; he
> >will suddenly be destroyed--without remedy.
> >
> >Without remedy or cure !
>
> Why do you defile God's name like this? Do you really think HE won't
> notice? You're betting your soul he won't and something tells me
> you're wrong.
>
>
>
Sandra Tendam
Or perhaps do the same with you Paul? Interesting name Rev.Oink...do you
know something we don't?
Remember guys, the grass is always greener on the right side of the fence.
OinK! ~(^@^)~ <dadp...@att.net> wrote in article
<65vlds$k...@mtinsc05.worldnet.att.net>...
Tom Goodman
I really liked Sandra's comment. She said it correctly.