Guido wins FSF Award
Paul Rubin
Award, for inventing and implementing Python as Free Software:
http://www.fsf.org/press/2002-02-16-FSF-Award.html
And to think I learned of this from a Timothy Rue post. Sigh.
Anyway, hats off to Guido!
Tim Peters
> Congratulations to Guido for winning the fourth Free Software Foundation
> Award, for inventing and implementing Python as Free Software:
>
> http://www.fsf.org/press/2002-02-16-FSF-Award.html
Hooray for Guido! Shows how much the world cares about secure pickles
<wink>.
> And to think I learned of this from a Timothy Rue post. Sigh.
Not at all. Guido's acceptance speech was a foundational masterpiece,
revealing the Nine Pythonic Actions underlying all that we do.
> Anyway, hats off to Guido!
The Dutch temperament likely prefers cash donations, or at least tulips.
the-march-to-world-domination-continues-as-planned-ly y'rs - tim
Paul Rubin
> [Paul Rubin]
> > Congratulations to Guido for winning the fourth Free Software Foundation
> > Award, for inventing and implementing Python as Free Software:
> >
> > http://www.fsf.org/press/2002-02-16-FSF-Award.html
>
> Hooray for Guido! Shows how much the world cares about secure pickles
> <wink>.
Yes! The award, so quickly following the Python 2.2 docs addressing
pickle security, is wonderful recognition for the Python finally
treating this vitally important issue ;-).
> > And to think I learned of this from a Timothy Rue post. Sigh.
>
> Not at all. Guido's acceptance speech was a foundational masterpiece,
> revealing the Nine Pythonic Actions underlying all that we do.
Well, maybe the speech will go up on the web like last year's.
Meanwhile the award also made the front page of Slashdot, as I found a
few minutes after posting. Yes, I checked c.l.py before reading
Slashdot when I woke up this morning. I'm not sure what that says
about either news source ;-).
Courageous
>> Not at all. Guido's acceptance speech was a foundational masterpiece,
>> revealing the Nine Pythonic Actions underlying all that we do.
Really, Geedo didn't deserve this award. Since plainly Python is
a system designed to obfuscate code, perpetuate complexity, and other-
wise fails to recognize the simplicity of the nine command division
of the entire physical universe, I redirect the committee to Sir
Timothy Rue. My vehement protest to the comittee will be publically
filed by 1100 GMT tomorrow, I swear. And well, if none of you see or
understand why it is I have to do this, that's understandable. You are
perhaps simply incapable of comprehending my rationale.
inserting-a-marker-for-the-satirically-impaired ly yrs -C
ko...@aesaeion.com
>
> Really, Geedo didn't deserve this award. Since plainly Python is
> a system designed to obfuscate code, perpetuate complexity, and other-
> wise fails to recognize the simplicity of the nine command division
> of the entire physical universe, I redirect the committee to Sir
> Timothy Rue. My vehement protest to the comittee will be publically
> filed by 1100 GMT tomorrow, I swear. And well, if none of you see or
> understand why it is I have to do this, that's understandable. You are
> perhaps simply incapable of comprehending my rationale.
>
ROFLMAO!!!
Very well done comment and I agree completely with the point at which it
is aimed. :) However I think you need to state your response in terms of
the 9 basic commands that underly all things so as to make your point
better. Be sure to include about 3000 pages of explaining documentation so
that the simplicity of your answer can be seen.
Timothy Rue
>I wonder if it's at all fair to make so much fun of a man who is obviously
>off his meds. One should feel pity for Tim Rue, really.
>
>But then I start laughing and figure, heck, it's by his choice, so what the
>hell! :-)
Hasn't anyone ever told you to not use root publicly? Or is it your
choice?
Ah, Kosh has a history of about 88 posts in Amiga newsgroups and up to
July last year. But May thru August last year he has made 30 post to c.l.p
until he added his 31st in this thread recently. I've also seen kosh
explode many time in IRC. But what Kosh says about 3000 pages.... Guess
kosh hasn't been around much enough to know better then to assume
documentation consist of about 3/7th's of my usenet posts. As well as his
putting on blinders to such simplicity as the following:
Certainly everyone does understand in reading and responding to post here,
they actually make use of all nine action. It's physics, but they may
think it's me and that somehow their reactions will cause a dismissal
of.... well physics.
Lets see now:
AI - start and stop, change interfaces - Uh start up newsreader and
connect.
PK - keep track of where you are - Pick up where you left off on the thread..
OI - get input - read with eyes
IP - input from - internet and monitor
OP - output to - keyboard usenet postings
SF - one step at a time - damn this non-polyphony qwerty keyboard and
mouse...
IQ - what's the meaning - whats a good non-target meaning I can attach to
try and cause confusion to what tim is on about? ... Access the
KE'd Thesaurus meaning of words, phrases and things Tim says.
ID - identify posters - hey there is one by tim, now I know to be
(KE'd) constrain as defined by KE
KE - constraints to apply to IQ meanings and ID poster named tim rue -
must be bit flipped (opposite) IQ'd, negative and anti-productive.
.
.
.
.
In the 80/20 rule, or even the 90/10, most all other industries have
productive working value of 80% or better, and problems of 20% or much
less. only about 16% of the software industries projects get out on time
and within budget. The hardware industry of computers is better than that
but also still highly incompatable.
Better yet to become master over this beast. Which even it has to use the
nine action constants of abstraction manipulation mechanics.
So how does Python address the following?
COMDEX SPRING and WINDOWS WORLD 95
Power Panel - "What's Wrong with Software Development"
** In The U.S. Only **
$81 Billion = 31% of software development gets cancelled before complete
$59 Billion = 53% of software development has cost over-runs of 189%
16% success - project success and failure ratio
61% customer requested features and functions make it in
Maintenance and repair is where most of the U.S. dollars are going,
instead of new, better, easier to use software.
---- Overall ----
Problems - all-around lack of complete documentation and weak training,
faulty user input and feed back - self contradictory user request, lack
of project leadership between developers and users, management created
problems and low quality control standards, feature creep and software
size increase, advancing technology rate of change and lack of general
standards, solutions around the corner but never arrive and our tools
are better than theirs attitude, lack of a value chain structure for
value added abilities, failure to produce a functional model before
coding and constant remodeling, etc.
Solution directions - code re-use, object oriented programming,
component-based programming, distributed components, better tools,
better programming methodologies, leaner software, a splitting of code
writer types into two catagories - architects and assemblers, better
effort to establish a working vocabulary between developers and users
so users can in some way lead development, etc.
---- A Few Comments from Panel Members ----
A culture needs to evolve that respect software engineers as
crafts-people. Writing code is not just writing code but like the field
of writing where you have technical, creative, documentary, etc., there
are different types of code writing. (Authors' note: I agree with this
but also realize end users are even more specialized in what they need
and do. Respect for the end user needs and abilities is needed even more
so. Without respect given to the end user, the software engineer will not
be given respect in return.)
A fundamental change in the programming environment needs to happen that
allows the tools to work together more. (Authors' note: the panel member
making this comment, did not specify what tools or who the tools would be
used by. It was a very general comment pointing to a fundamental
programming environment change. A lead in to the concept of componet
programming. But, there was no recognition given to the concept of
componet software or componet applications. At least not in the sense of
being outside of "plugins". Read on!)
Jokingly - one of the best ways to copy protect software is to put it in
a dll, give it an obscure name and put it in the windows system directory.
Because you'd never find it. (Authors' note: This does not make it any
easier for the end user in keeping their system organized, clean and
optimized. This attitude of constraints, though humorous, cost end users
alot.)
The meaning of "intellectual property" became questioned. Did it mean you
take the best ideas or something owned? (Authors' note: it was the panel
supporting "best ideas" but wouldn't the correct term for this use be
"intellectual value" rather than "intellectual property"? What would
happen, regarding this, in a court room? The audience member whom brought
this up, was a bit angry about the distortion. Her question was: Is it
the developers whom are creating the problems? And what are the
developers going to do about it? The responce was "that's not the
problem!")
Users shouldn't develope software but know, better than the developers,
what they want and need. (Authors' note: users don't have the time to
write code, it's not their job or duties!!! I can cut the lawn, I know
how, but if I don't have the time, I hire someone. And because I know how
to better communicate what I want done, I'll get what I want and know
I'll not be greatly overcharged.)
Analogy used to start off power panel: Getting the right software
development tools is alot like dating. And it evolved to something about
programmers not being able to get dates, while touching a nerve with a
panel member. (Authors' note: Phillip needs to get a amiga. Amiga is
mexican for - girl friend. Phillip, if you see this, you know you gotta
laugh about it.)
(Author observation from attending this gathering - alot of good points
where brought up from both the audience and members of the panel but it
became clear there was no solution being brought forward to satisfy the
majority. The audience saw this as it thinned out over the course, as
they perceived the power panel struggling for a sales pitch. There where
two on the panel not biased due their position, leaving six biased.
Microsoft, Borland, Powersoft, Oracle, Software Associates, and IBM were
the biased parties.)
Panel mix - Tools developers, Data Base Developers, Application
Developers, Application salvagers, and software consultants.
BUT NOT USERS, as in end users/consumers/clients.
---
*3 S.E.A.S - Virtual Interaction Configuration (VIC) - VISION OF VISIONS!*
*~ ~ ~ Advancing How we Perceive and Use the Tool of Computers!*
Timothy Rue What's *DONE* in all we do? *AI PK OI IP OP SF IQ ID KE*
Email @ mailto:tim...@mindspring.com >INPUT->(Processing)->OUTPUT>v
Web @ http://www.mindspring.com/~timrue/ ^<--------<----9----<--------<
Emile van Sebille
I have no doubt that your nine steps can be super-imposed on everything.
However, as long as the deep magic involved in converting these steps
into things people want done is kept as magic, let Aahz's quote reign:
"This is Python. We don't care much about theory, except where it
intersects with useful practice." Aahz Maruch on c.l.py
Emile van Sebille
em...@fenx.com
Timothy Rue
>Complete re-posts smell like spam.
Show me that you know what spam is rather than using the word to insinuate
a negative. Hell, for that matter, show me that you know what a "complete
re-post" is. So far, I have no evidence that you know either.
>I have no doubt that your nine steps can be super-imposed on everything.
Good, that's a big step in the right direction!!!!
>However, as long as the deep magic involved in converting these steps
>into things people want done is kept as magic, let Aahz's quote reign:
>"This is Python. We don't care much about theory, except where it
>intersects with useful practice." Aahz Maruch on c.l.py
I'd have to say you took two steps backward in "converting these steps
into things people want done" as this suggest that you have no idea what
you said above that caused you to take a big step forward.
As these steps don't covert into what people want done, but rather are
used to automate conversion of abstract programming languages into the
programs the user then uses to do, or are used by the user to automate
what they have done, so that they can do it again and again in a simpler
manner.
As you apparently subconsciously recognized, to be able to super-impose
these steps onto what you do, specifically thru computers, means you can
identify the automation control points, and define them in a manner to
automate what you super-imposed them upon.
I'm not stopping you or anyone from converting verified physical reality
into the environment of computing where they can be used by anyone and
everyone that wants to make use of them. And I'm not going to be so
arrogant as to assume I know what people want done, but I do know that
what ever it is they want done, it can be mapped using the nine action
constants in a manner that allows it to be automated, should they so chose
to do it more than once. This is really no different than knowing the
elements of mathmatics, regardless of what people want to calculate, can
be used to calculate whatever people want to mathmatically calculate.
There is no theory or even as you say "magic". But if you think there is
some magic then I suppose you really are not much of a programmer but more
likely an exdotcomer. What there is is just plain logic.
As a matter of fact I've done nothing but put forth effort to help by
identifying and defining these nine action constants in terms of computer
functionality descriptions.
I suspect the difficulity you have in comprehending this is as a result
of your simply not wanting to see it. And that is your choice. Or perhaps
as indicated above, you are simply trying to preceive these nine actions
as a replacement for programming languages (as some here have recently
insinuated - are you so weak minded to follow such error?). These nine
actions don't replace programming languages but rather allow you to
automate the use of them. Consider super-imposing the nine steps (actually
not steps but actions that can be done in any sequence order and even
repeated each as needed) on some common and often repeated coding you do
manually, even if there is some variation in it. So long as you can
super-impose the action set then you can automate it's use or application,
even dynamicly. And once you do it, you can if you want, make the
automation available for other to use/benefit from, as they can do the
same for you. Certainly automating such certainly wantingly repeatable
things as do's, don't's and standard of a given language use is something
everyone using the language would benefit from. And once you automate its
use, no more bug typos in what is done right once, and then automated in
applying it.
There is no magic to any of this and there need not be any magic or
complexity beyond the typical user/consumer available resources to use an
autocoding tool set to do program creation for themselves.
In fact it's the software industries defined job to make things easier for
the consumer. But I suppose there is some magical reason why they don't
ever quite do it, huh?
Now why would I be doing all of this? Which answer would you want, world,
group or self? Lets' try self!
So I can Do the things I need to get done without having to reinvent what
so many have already invented and reinvented. Where in return I can return
the favor of making automations I create available for other to build
upon.
Is that a bad thing? Does that make me the nut or fool others want to make
me out to be? Or are their actions and words against me only exposure of
their self limiting greed?
Do you have a problem with automating the use of Python and doing so by
using Python to create the automation tool?
ko...@aesaeion.com
> On 17-Feb-02 12:34:12 (Five Fresh) Fish <ro...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> >On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 19:35:23 -0700 (MST), <ko...@aesaeion.com> wrote:
>
> Ah, Kosh has a history of about 88 posts in Amiga newsgroups and up to
> July last year. But May thru August last year he has made 30 post to c.l.p
> until he added his 31st in this thread recently. I've also seen kosh
> explode many time in IRC. But what Kosh says about 3000 pages.... Guess
> kosh hasn't been around much enough to know better then to assume
> documentation consist of about 3/7th's of my usenet posts. As well as his
> putting on blinders to such simplicity as the following:
I have never been an amiga user and have never made posts to the amiga
newsgroup unless it was crossposted from the linux advocacy newsgroup
which would be pretty strange. For irc I am in a relatively limited number
of places. irc.worldforge.org and irc.openprojects.net #zope
Overall I think you have me confused with someone else and missed the
point of the joke entirely.
>
> Certainly everyone does understand in reading and responding to post here,
> they actually make use of all nine action. It's physics, but they may
> think it's me and that somehow their reactions will cause a dismissal
> of.... well physics.
Trying to make you stuff sound like physics does not make it physics or
even related to it. There is no real evidence for what you are claiming
like there is for the theories that govern atmospheric composition and
reactions, nuclear physics, etc.
Magnus Lie Hetland
[...]
>Certainly everyone does understand in reading and responding to post here,
>they actually make use of all nine action. It's physics, but they may
>think it's me and that somehow their reactions will cause a dismissal
>of.... well physics.
>
>Lets see now:
No, no! This isn't simple enough. The *real* truth (and it's physics,
so you can't contradict me) is that there is only one true action:
DS - Do Stuff
Now deal with it and go somewhere else with your false theory.
--
Magnus Lie Hetland The Anygui Project
http://hetland.org http://anygui.org
Hans Nowak
>
> In article <8867.813T2365T9...@earthlink.net>, Timothy Rue wrote:
> [...]
> >Certainly everyone does understand in reading and responding to post here,
> >they actually make use of all nine action. It's physics, but they may
> >think it's me and that somehow their reactions will cause a dismissal
> >of.... well physics.
> >
> >Lets see now:
> [...]
>
> No, no! This isn't simple enough. The *real* truth (and it's physics,
> so you can't contradict me) is that there is only one true action:
>
> DS - Do Stuff
>
> Now deal with it and go somewhere else with your false theory.
Do you also have a model with zero actions? This one seems kind of
difficult to me.
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Ben Wolfson
> Do you also have a model with zero actions? This one seems kind of
> difficult to me.
I do. Here it is:
Refute THAT.
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Chris Gonnerman
From: <ko...@aesaeion.com>
>
> I have never been an amiga user and have never made posts to the amiga
> newsgroup unless it was crossposted from the linux advocacy newsgroup
> which would be pretty strange. For irc I am in a relatively limited number
> of places. irc.worldforge.org and irc.openprojects.net #zope
Likely "Kosh" is a fairly frequent pseudonym... and as far as I am
concerned,
Vorlons are welcome here.
"All Vorlons are Kosh"...
Rue is so busy abusing the programmers he is trying to convince, he has
no time for proper geek pursuits such as watching TV.
If your handle isn't, in fact, a reference to B5, my apologies (there I
go again) but I'm sure that many who use that handle are B5 fans.
Magnus Lie Hetland
>Magnus Lie Hetland wrote:
[...]
>> No, no! This isn't simple enough. The *real* truth (and it's physics,
>> so you can't contradict me) is that there is only one true action:
>>
>> DS - Do Stuff
>>
>> Now deal with it and go somewhere else with your false theory.
>
>Do you also have a model with zero actions?
How could that possibly cover everything? Sorry, one action is
minimum.
> This one seems kind of difficult to me.
Hah - it's all a conspiracy. ;)
Chris Gonnerman
Indeed. Like many from Missouri, I am a true believer in our state motto:
"Show me"
The nine commands (which we are told are not a language, but rather physics,
and therefore science) are not exactly backed up by much research, proof,
etc.
Many on this list ARE scientists, and would be willing to consider any
proper scientific evidence and/or well-formed theory.
I'm not a scientist, but I worked with them before. Knew one who created
a 3D chess game which had ten each 10x10 Lucite boards, stacked; with the
attached base, the whole thing was 5 feet tall and beautiful. He sculpted
the pieces (10 pawns and 10 special pieces per side, including two "Dukes"
added) from fist-sized chunks of plastic. The rules were based on particle
motion dynamics taken from quantum physics; and perhaps ten people in the
whole world could understand the rules.
Probably could sell it now over the Internet (are you there, Capt. Goff?)
SO, what I am saying is, I've seen science before, and know it when I see
it. Haven't seen any in Rue's posts.
Delaney, Timothy
>
> In article <3C706035...@earthlink.net>, Hans Nowak wrote:
> >Magnus Lie Hetland wrote:
> [...]
> >> No, no! This isn't simple enough. The *real* truth (and
> it's physics,
> >> so you can't contradict me) is that there is only one true action:
> >>
> >> DS - Do Stuff
> >>
> >> Now deal with it and go somewhere else with your false theory.
> >
> >Do you also have a model with zero actions?
>
> How could that possibly cover everything? Sorry, one action is
> minimum.
Ah - but the effect of *not acting* can cover everything if you time it
correctly. So what we obviously need is a timetable of when not to act at
all and so long as we follow it we won't need to do anything at all!
Tim Delaney
Hans Nowak
>
> In article <3C706035...@earthlink.net>, Hans Nowak wrote:
> >Magnus Lie Hetland wrote:
> [...]
> >> No, no! This isn't simple enough. The *real* truth (and it's physics,
> >> so you can't contradict me) is that there is only one true action:
> >>
> >> DS - Do Stuff
> >>
> >> Now deal with it and go somewhere else with your false theory.
> >
> >Do you also have a model with zero actions?
>
> How could that possibly cover everything? Sorry, one action is
> minimum.
Yeah, but think of the drastically reduced debugging times! In
fact, it seems that the PSU has
phil hunt
>Magnus Lie Hetland wrote:
>>
>> In article <8867.813T2365T9...@earthlink.net>, Timothy Rue wrote:
>> [...]
>> >Certainly everyone does understand in reading and responding to post here,
>> >they actually make use of all nine action. It's physics, but they may
>> >think it's me and that somehow their reactions will cause a dismissal
>> >of.... well physics.
>> >
>> >Lets see now:
>> [...]
>>
>> No, no! This isn't simple enough. The *real* truth (and it's physics,
>> so you can't contradict me) is that there is only one true action:
>>
>> DS - Do Stuff
>>
>> Now deal with it and go somewhere else with your false theory.
>
>Do you also have a model with zero actions?
Sure. The contents of Tim's head.
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François Pinard
> [chris.g...@newcenturycomputers.net]
> > [...] and as far as I am concerned, Vorlons are welcome here.
> >"All Vorlons are Kosh"...
> Maybe we should all be Kosh! :-)
This has not been over-stressed in the dialogs, but there are many Python
programmers living on Babylon 5. Some of you might remember that episode
where Kosh got out of his suit once in public, to save the life of the
station commander who fell out of the transportation device (my English
vocabulary is severely lacking). Everybody saw something different, but
surely for the Python guys, Kosh was like a phosphorescent, glowing Guido!
--
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mylinuxboxroot
Tim Peters <tim...@home.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.101390696...@python.org...
> [Paul Rubin]
> > Congratulations to Guido for winning the fourth Free Software Foundation
> > Award, for inventing and implementing Python as Free Software:
> >
> > http://www.fsf.org/press/2002-02-16-FSF-Award.html
>
> Hooray for Guido! Shows how much the world cares about secure pickles
> <wink>.
what are revealing the Nine Pythonic Actions underlying all that we do.
can you explain what that means ?????? thanks
Joe F.
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> > what are revealing the Nine Pythonic Actions underlying all that we do.
> > can you explain what that means ??????
>
> Bhuddism allusion?
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>> From: gra...@visi.com [SMTP:gra...@visi.com]
>> > what are revealing the Nine Pythonic Actions underlying all that we do.
>> > can you explain what that means ??????
>>
>> Bhuddism allusion?
>
> Autocoding allusion, I think.
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>
> Magnus Lie Hetland wrote:
> >
> > In article <8867.813T2365T9...@earthlink.net>, Timothy Rue wrote:
> > [...]
> > >Certainly everyone does understand in reading and responding to post here,
> > >they actually make use of all nine action. It's physics, but they may
> > >think it's me and that somehow their reactions will cause a dismissal
> > >of.... well physics.
> > >
> > >Lets see now:
> > [...]
> >
> > No, no! This isn't simple enough. The *real* truth (and it's physics,
> > so you can't contradict me) is that there is only one true action:
> >
> > DS - Do Stuff
> >
> > Now deal with it and go somewhere else with your false theory.
>
> Do you also have a model with zero actions? This one seems kind of
> difficult to me.
Yes. Look at the way computers store floating point numbers. The
left-most one is assumed, so never stored. Likewise with the
zero-instruction VIC (ZIVIC) one just assumes the DS instruction
before all parameters. I posted a script written in ZIVIC a
few weeks ago, using parameters drawn from running the dictionary
compiler over the Python docs to extract the basic structure of
the language. The result was quite straight-forward and readable
to most of us here, with one possible exception...
I'll post another sample here:
# ZIVIC code: assumes DS instruction prior to all parameters
file = open('somefile.txt')
length = len(file.readlines())
print 'Lines in file:', length
As this is the first working implementation based on the VIC
concepts, I trust this will put to rest all the negativism
expressed here about the viability of the concept. Clearly it
works, and I suggest we all go back to using it...
-Peter
Timothy Rue
>>> From: gra...@visi.com [SMTP:gra...@visi.com]
>>> > what are revealing the Nine Pythonic Actions underlying all that we do.
>>> > can you explain what that means ??????
>>>
>>> Bhuddism allusion?
>>
>>Autocoding allusion, I think.
>
>Speaking of which, the culprit seems to have vanished.
>
>Hope he's okay. Even net loons shouldn't come to harm. (Preferably, they
>should be medicated, get rid of the delusions, help them lead constructive
>lives...)
The reasons of my not being here more can't possibly be:
My work load is non-computer non-programming.
You are not being productive or helpful to the project.
<rolls eyes>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=5098.813T2333T10665859threeseas%40earthlink.net&rnum=10
Joshua Muskovitz
We were merely following your example.
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# Joshua Muskovitz
# jo...@taconic.net
def lyyrs(sig): return '-'.join(sig.split()+["ly y'rs"])
lyyrs('Hire me! I need the work!')
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