Munchkin Challenge
Obser79495
You have an 18 17 15 15 15 8 for stats, you can subtract 2 pts from any stat to
add 1 pt to another stat(EX: 8-1=7 15-1=14 :: 15+1=16) Racial modifiers can
be used. You can use any 3E character class that has actually been printed
(Sword and Sorcery, DMG, Song and Silence and the like) You are 13th level and
have 110,000 gp
The challenge is to make a character that has the greatest dmg/AC ratio.
Please post where you put the stats, equipment, and character class(es), and
race.
Riboflavin
Trivial, I'll use a first level commoner and only 1200 gp. Subtract 7 points
from the 8 and one from one of the 15s to make the set of stats 18, 18, 18,
15, 14, 1. Assign stats as STR18, DEX1, CON18, INT18, WIS18, CHR14. Spend
the 1200 on a set of Bracers of Defenselessness, and take a free club for a
weapon and weapon proficiency. My damage is 1D6 (club) +4 (STR), for an
average of 7.5. My AC is 10 (base) -5 (dex) -5 (bracers) for a total of 0.
Damage/AC is 7.5/0, for an infinite damage/AC ratio, which I doubt anyone
can beat.
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Christopher Burke
news:a1rv5o$gsl$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net:
> Trivial, I'll use a first level commoner and only 1200 gp. Subtract 7
> points from the 8 and one from one of the 15s to make the set of stats
> 18, 18, 18, 15, 14, 1. Assign stats as STR18, DEX1, CON18, INT18, WIS18,
> CHR14. Spend the 1200 on a set of Bracers of Defenselessness, and take a
> free club for a weapon and weapon proficiency. My damage is 1D6 (club)
> +4 (STR), for an average of 7.5. My AC is 10 (base) -5 (dex) -5
> (bracers) for a total of 0. Damage/AC is 7.5/0, for an infinite
> damage/AC ratio, which I doubt anyone can beat.
Unless someone gets an infitity of larger magnitude (e.g. 10.5/0).
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Hong Ooi
wrote:
>"Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote in
>news:a1rv5o$gsl$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net:
>
>> Trivial, I'll use a first level commoner and only 1200 gp. Subtract 7
>> points from the 8 and one from one of the 15s to make the set of stats
>> 18, 18, 18, 15, 14, 1. Assign stats as STR18, DEX1, CON18, INT18, WIS18,
>> CHR14. Spend the 1200 on a set of Bracers of Defenselessness, and take a
>> free club for a weapon and weapon proficiency. My damage is 1D6 (club)
>> +4 (STR), for an average of 7.5. My AC is 10 (base) -5 (dex) -5
>> (bracers) for a total of 0. Damage/AC is 7.5/0, for an infinite
>> damage/AC ratio, which I doubt anyone can beat.
>
>Unless someone gets an infitity of larger magnitude (e.g. 10.5/0).
That's not an infinity of a larger magnitude.
An infinity of a larger magnitude would be something like 2^(7.5/0 + P^e),
where P is the largest known prime number. As of today, 13/01/2002, the
value of P is
(355202529563717584752^234916523 * 257124^98231046232 + 2)/(53287482 + Pi)
You can trust me, because I always check my facts before posting nonsense
to UNsenet.
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Riboflavin
> "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote in
> > Trivial, I'll use a first level commoner and only 1200 gp. Subtract 7
> > points from the 8 and one from one of the 15s to make the set of stats
> > 18, 18, 18, 15, 14, 1. Assign stats as STR18, DEX1, CON18, INT18, WIS18,
> > CHR14. Spend the 1200 on a set of Bracers of Defenselessness, and take a
> > free club for a weapon and weapon proficiency. My damage is 1D6 (club)
> > +4 (STR), for an average of 7.5. My AC is 10 (base) -5 (dex) -5
> > (bracers) for a total of 0. Damage/AC is 7.5/0, for an infinite
> > damage/AC ratio, which I doubt anyone can beat.
>
> Unless someone gets an infitity of larger magnitude (e.g. 10.5/0).
>
matter what number you get on top. There are exactly the same number of even
numbers as of whole numbers, after all.
Tom Garnett
> >
> It's still an infinite number, and is going to be the same size infinity
no
> matter what number you get on top. There are exactly the same number of
even
> numbers as of whole numbers, after all.
If, however, you could raise two to the power of the previous infinity, then
you'd be getting somewhere. (Aleph 1, to be precise).
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If life gives you lemons, juggle them.
Obser79495
> > points from the 8 and one from one of the 15s to make the set of stats
> > 18, 18, 18, 15, 14, 1. Assign stats as STR18, DEX1, CON18, INT18, WIS18,
> > CHR14. Spend the 1200 on a set of Bracers of Defenselessness, and take a
> > free club for a weapon and weapon proficiency. My damage is 1D6 (club)
> > +4 (STR), for an average of 7.5. My AC is 10 (base) -5 (dex) -5
> > (bracers) for a total of 0. Damage/AC is 7.5/0, for an infinite
> > damage/AC ratio, which I doubt anyone can beat.
>
> Unless someone gets an infitity of larger magnitude (e.g. 10.5/0).
>
by zero undeclared, or rather a null value, not infinity....
Seanette Blaylock
say about Re: Munchkin Challenge:
IIRC HS algebra correctly, divide by zero yields an undefined answer.
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Mike Schneider
<ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "Obser79495" <obser...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > Let's see who can munchkin the best out of this set of stats:
> >
> > You have an 18 17 15 15 15 8 for stats, you can subtract 2 pts from any
> stat to
> > add 1 pt to another stat(EX: 8-1=7 15-1=14 :: 15+1=16) Racial modifiers
> can
> > be used. You can use any 3E character class that has actually been
> printed
> > (Sword and Sorcery, DMG, Song and Silence and the like) You are 13th
> level and
> > have 110,000 gp
> >
> > The challenge is to make a character that has the greatest dmg/AC ratio.
> > Please post where you put the stats, equipment, and character class(es),
> and
> > race.
>
> Trivial, I'll use a first level commoner and only 1200 gp. Subtract 7 points
> from the 8 and one from one of the 15s to make the set of stats 18, 18, 18,
> 15, 14, 1. Assign stats as STR18, DEX1, CON18, INT18, WIS18, CHR14. Spend
> the 1200 on a set of Bracers of Defenselessness, and take a free club for a
> weapon and weapon proficiency. My damage is 1D6 (club) +4 (STR), for an
> average of 7.5. My AC is 10 (base) -5 (dex) -5 (bracers) for a total of 0.
> Damage/AC is 7.5/0, for an infinite damage/AC ratio, which I doubt anyone
> can beat.
While that is an interesting way of avoiding a troll thread (flagging on
semantics), he DID specify you could only lower a stat by 2, which means
you'll have to try harder to get that AC to zero.
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MistaRyte
Not undeclared, but undefined. As the denominator approaches zero, the
value of a fraction gets larger. But zero is really the absence of a
value; how will a fraction behave when you divide by zero?
MistaRyte
BA Math '97
BLiTZWiNG
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IMHO I think it's all wrong. Realistically, if you divide by 0, you're
really dividing by nothing.. therefore you're actually not doing
anything, and the answer should be the original number. ie. 3/0 = 3.
BLiTZWiNG
Riboflavin
"Mike Schneider" <mi...@SPAMKILLERusfamily.net> wrote in message news:mike1-
> > "Obser79495" <obser...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > Let's see who can munchkin the best out of this set of stats:
> > >
> > > You have an 18 17 15 15 15 8 for stats, you can subtract 2 pts from
any
> > stat to
> > > add 1 pt to another stat(EX: 8-1=7 15-1=14 :: 15+1=16) Racial
modifiers
> > can
> > > be used. You can use any 3E character class that has actually been
> > printed
> > > (Sword and Sorcery, DMG, Song and Silence and the like) You are 13th
> > level and
> > > have 110,000 gp
> semantics),
It doesn't look like a troll thread to me, it looks like a poorly
constructed challenge that people often play around with for fun in the NG.
And I think there's a bit of a difference between 'flagging on semantics'
and 'showing that the challenge is broken'.
> he DID specify you could only lower a stat by 2, which means
> you'll have to try harder to get that AC to zero.
>
The rule he listed doesn't explicitly state that, and the wording he used
normally doesn't mean that, at least for D&D rules. If you try to interpret
the 'subtract two add one' bit literally, his example contradicts it since
it subtracts one from two stats to add one to another stat, so I think I'm
perfectly justified in using the standard interpretation of the '-2 +1'. The
challenge is broken anyway because of the 'divide by AC'; either you get a 0
AC and 'win', or get a 1 AC and maximize damage, neither of which seems a
very interesting challenge.
nyghtmaer
Do you mean ratio in the mathematical sense or the D&D sense? As in a higher
damage and higher AC is better then a high damage and low AC.
Glenn Dowdy
divided
> > by zero undeclared, or rather a null value, not infinity....
>
> Not undeclared, but undefined. As the denominator approaches zero, the
> value of a fraction gets larger. But zero is really the absence of a
> value; how will a fraction behave when you divide by zero?
>
> MistaRyte
> BA Math '97
My education may have been slightly differant than yours, due to our age
difference, but in my experience, said fractions generally cried "Foul!"
then went off and pouted.
Glenn D.
BS Math 86
Riboflavin
>
> My education may have been slightly differant than yours, due to our age
> difference, but in my experience, said fractions generally cried "Foul!"
> then went off and pouted.
>
Doesn't anyone know any math anymore?
tar...@imap2.asu.edu
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:50:32 GMT, Christopher Burke <cra...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote in
> >news:a1rv5o$gsl$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net:
> >
> >> Trivial, I'll use a first level commoner and only 1200 gp. Subtract 7
> >> points from the 8 and one from one of the 15s to make the set of stats
> >> 18, 18, 18, 15, 14, 1. Assign stats as STR18, DEX1, CON18, INT18, WIS18,
> >> CHR14. Spend the 1200 on a set of Bracers of Defenselessness, and take a
> >> free club for a weapon and weapon proficiency. My damage is 1D6 (club)
> >> +4 (STR), for an average of 7.5. My AC is 10 (base) -5 (dex) -5
> >> (bracers) for a total of 0. Damage/AC is 7.5/0, for an infinite
> >> damage/AC ratio, which I doubt anyone can beat.
> >
> >Unless someone gets an infitity of larger magnitude (e.g. 10.5/0).
>
> That's not an infinity of a larger magnitude.
>
> An infinity of a larger magnitude would be something like 2^(7.5/0 + P^e),
> where P is the largest known prime number. As of today, 13/01/2002, the
> value of P is
>
> (355202529563717584752^234916523 * 257124^98231046232 + 2)/(53287482 + Pi)
One of those rare irrational primes, too.
Ben B.
Peter Seebach
>One of those rare irrational primes, too.
How can you make a number indivisible by other numbers without making it
irrational?
Anyway, it's just a myth; most numbers are perfectly rational all month long,
and people who think otherwise are sexist.
(I say this because normally it's Seanette's job, but she's invisible right
now.)
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Gordon
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> In article <3C449B1A...@imap2.asu.edu>, <tar...@imap2.asu.edu>
wrote:
> >One of those rare irrational primes, too.
>
> How can you make a number indivisible by other numbers without making it
> irrational?
You're confusing irrational and prime. 7 is prime, but it can be expressed
as a ratio, say, of 21 to 3.
> Anyway, it's just a myth; most numbers are perfectly rational all month
long,
> and people who think otherwise are sexist.
Other numbers get bonuses?
> (I say this because normally it's Seanette's job, but she's invisible
right
> now.)
Yes, but is she inherently female?
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I just don't have as many people who believe it."
Seanette Blaylock
say about Re: Munchkin Challenge:
>Anyway, it's just a myth; most numbers are perfectly rational all month long,
>and people who think otherwise are sexist.
Errr, that would be Kahuna. :-)
Seanette Blaylock
say about Re: Munchkin Challenge:
>> Anyway, it's just a myth; most numbers are perfectly rational all month
>> long, and people who think otherwise are sexist.
>Other numbers get bonuses?
>> (I say this because normally it's Seanette's job, but she's invisible
>> right now.)
>Yes, but is she inherently female?
My husband certainly hopes so, I'm sure. ;-)
Stephenls
> IMHO I think it's all wrong. Realistically, if you divide by 0,
> you're really dividing by nothing.. therefore you're actually not
> doing anything, and the answer should be the original number. ie. 3/0
> = 3.
The one I always had trouble with (and indeed still have trouble with)
is the matter of "anything taken to the power of zero is one". Observe.
The equation in the ASCII box of pluses is the lengthened version of the
exponent.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
3^2 = + 3x3 +
+++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++
3^4 = + 3x3x3x3 +
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Follow?
Now, watch what happens to the contents of the ASCII box of plusses when
we bring three to the power of zero.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
3^0 = + +
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Three taken to the power of 0 is three multiplied by itself NO TIMES.
NONE. THERE IS NO EQUATION. WHERE THE HELL DOES THE "ONE" COME FROM?!
Sorry. Pet peeve of mine.
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Mike Schneider
> BLiTZWiNG wrote:
>
> > IMHO I think it's all wrong. Realistically, if you divide by 0,
> > you're really dividing by nothing.. therefore you're actually not
> > doing anything, and the answer should be the original number. ie. 3/0
> > = 3.
Examine:
3/1 = 3
3/.1 = 30
3/.001 = 3000
...
(the smaller the divisor, larger the result)
...
3/infinitesimal [~0] = infinity.
See?
Next:
> The one I always had trouble with (and indeed still have trouble with)
> is the matter of "anything taken to the power of zero is one". Observe.
>
> 3^2 = 3x3
> 3^4 = 3x3x3x3
>
> Now, watch what happens when....we bring three to the power of zero.
>
> 3^0 = [ ]
>
> Three taken to the power of 0 is three multiplied by itself NO TIMES.
> NONE. THERE IS NO EQUATION. WHERE THE HELL DOES THE "ONE" COME FROM?
Exponentation is a short-hand:
3^infinity = infinity
3^4 = 3x3x3x3
3^3 = 3x3x3
3^2 = 3x3
3^1 = 3 (no operation)
3^0 = 3/3 = 1
3^-1 = 3/(3x3) = 1/3
3^-2 = 3/(3x3x3) = 1/9
3^-infinity = infinitesimally positive [~0]
-3^-infinity = infinitesimally negative [~0]
-3^-2 = -3/(3x3x3) = -1/9
etc.
Stephenls
> 3^0 = 3/3 = 1
Now I'm pissed off at my math teacher. He always said "it's too
complicated to go into". That's /so/ frikkin' simple...
bjm-...@phreeow.net
S> Three taken to the power of 0 is three multiplied by itself NO TIMES.
S> NONE. THERE IS NO EQUATION. WHERE THE HELL DOES THE "ONE" COME FROM?!
Consider how place-holding numerical systems work, like our own
decimal system. The number 4567 is four thousands, five hundreds, six
tens, and seven ones. Why? Because:
10^3 = 1000 x 4 = 4000
10^2 = 100 x 5 = 500
10^1 = 10 x 6 = 60
10^0 = 1 x 7 = 7
-----
4567
This abstracts to any radix. So, if you want to do binary arithmetic,
1011 is:
2^3 = 8 x 1 = 8
2^2 = 4 x 0 = 0
2^1 = 2 x 1 = 2
2^0 = 1 x 1 = 1
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If x^0 was zero, this progression wouldn't work and our numbering
system would collapse. 43 would be equal to 40.
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Peter Seebach
>Three taken to the power of 0 is three multiplied by itself NO TIMES.
>NONE. THERE IS NO EQUATION. WHERE THE HELL DOES THE "ONE" COME FROM?!
x^0 = x^1/x
Peter Seebach
Gordon <moi...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>"Peter Seebach" <se...@plethora.net> wrote in message
>news:3c450d83$0$79564$7f89...@newsreader.visi.com...
>> In article <3C449B1A...@imap2.asu.edu>, <tar...@imap2.asu.edu>
>wrote:
>> >One of those rare irrational primes, too.
>> How can you make a number indivisible by other numbers without making it
>> irrational?
>You're confusing irrational and prime.
You think?
>7 is prime, but it can be expressed
>as a ratio, say, of 21 to 3.
But if you've ever tried to order pizza for 7 people, you know 7 isn't
rational.
>Yes, but is she inherently female?
If so, can we really call her female at all?
Hong Ooi
>"Peter Seebach" <se...@plethora.net> wrote in message
>news:3c450d83$0$79564$7f89...@newsreader.visi.com...
>> In article <3C449B1A...@imap2.asu.edu>, <tar...@imap2.asu.edu>
>wrote:
>> >One of those rare irrational primes, too.
>>
>> How can you make a number indivisible by other numbers without making it
>> irrational?
>
>You're confusing irrational and prime. 7 is prime, but it can be expressed
>as a ratio, say, of 21 to 3.
That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi.
>
>> Anyway, it's just a myth; most numbers are perfectly rational all month
>long,
>> and people who think otherwise are sexist.
>
>Other numbers get bonuses?
Infinitesimal ones. An infinitesimal is a number that's mostly zero, as
opposed to all zero. When a number is all zero, there's only one thing to
do: go through its clothes and look for loose change.
Mike Schneider
<hong...@maths.anu.edu.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:24:17 GMT, "Gordon" <moi...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >You're confusing irrational and prime. 7 is prime, but it can be expressed
> >as a ratio, say, of 21 to 3.
>
> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi.
7 is Pi? Huh?
John Burrage
>In article <kt2d4ugpcm6009d0c...@4ax.com>, Hong Ooi
><hong...@maths.anu.edu.au> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:24:17 GMT, "Gordon" <moi...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> >You're confusing irrational and prime. 7 is prime, but it can be expressed
>> >as a ratio, say, of 21 to 3.
>>
>> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi.
>
>
>7 is Pi? Huh?
Well, no; 21/3 is simply an _approximation_ of Pi.
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Daniel Buettner
> mi...@SPAMKILLERusfamily.net (Mike Schneider) wrote:
>
>>In article <kt2d4ugpcm6009d0c...@4ax.com>, Hong Ooi
>><hong...@maths.anu.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:24:17 GMT, "Gordon" <moi...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >You're confusing irrational and prime. 7 is prime, but it can be expressed
>>> >as a ratio, say, of 21 to 3.
>>>
>>> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi.
>>
>>
>>7 is Pi? Huh?
>
> Well, no; 21/3 is simply an _approximation_ of Pi.
No, no, no. Don't they teach you anything in Austria?
Pi is 21/7.
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> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi.
And here I've been using 22/7 all these years.
Darla Vladschyk
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"Darla Vladschyk" <DarlaVl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:29:37 GMT, Virgil <vmh...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <kt2d4ugpcm6009d0c...@4ax.com>,
> > Hong Ooi <hong...@maths.anu.edu.au> wrote:
> >
> >> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi.
> >
> >And here I've been using 22/7 all these years.
>
> Pi is 24/7. Anytime is a good time for pi!
Mmmmm pi!
Jan Kristian Haugland
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Darla Vladschyk wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:29:37 GMT, Virgil <vmh...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <kt2d4ugpcm6009d0c...@4ax.com>,
> > Hong Ooi <hong...@maths.anu.edu.au> wrote:
> >
> >> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi.
> >
> >And here I've been using 22/7 all these years.
>
> Pi is 24/7. Anytime is a good time for pi!
Anytime is a good time for "6". Just ask any Swede.
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Mike Schneider
DarlaVl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:29:37 GMT, Virgil <vmh...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <kt2d4ugpcm6009d0c...@4ax.com>,
> > Hong Ooi <hong...@maths.anu.edu.au> wrote:
> >
> >> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi.
> >
> >And here I've been using 22/7 all these years.
>
> Pi is 24/7. Anytime is a good time for pi!
(groan)
3.1415927....
Chris Franks
"Daniel Buettner" <buet...@cse.unl.edu> wrote in >
> No, no, no. Don't they teach you anything in Austria?
>
> Pi is 21/7.
Close, but 22/7 is closer.
IHBT IHW
Nicko
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:29:37 GMT, Virgil <vmh...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <kt2d4ugpcm6009d0c...@4ax.com>,
> > Hong Ooi <hong...@maths.anu.edu.au> wrote:
> >
> >> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi.
> >
> >And here I've been using 22/7 all these years.
>
> Pi is 24/7. Anytime is a good time for pi!
>
GACK! Beat me to it.
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Seanette Blaylock
things to say about Re: Munchkin Challenge:
.au is Australia. ;-)
ISTR being told that 22/7 was a reasonable approximation of Pi when I
took algebra [a LONG time ago].
Peter Seebach
Seanette Blaylock <sean...@impulse.net> wrote:
[snip]
Okay, we're about five units deep, I award Hong the "Hook, Line, and Sinker"
award.
earle...@earthlink.net
Virgil <vmh...@attbi.com> wrote:
*
My favorite approximation of pi:
Remember the numbers 1-1-3-3-5-5
Write them down like this:
Denominator: 113 Numerator: 355
355 / 113 = 3.141592920...
It's accurate to seven significant figures.
earle
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Passenger Pigeon
sean...@impulse.net wrote:
> .au is Australia. ;-)
not like this statement even makes sense. au is the abbreviation for
the element aluminium.
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David DeLaney
>Daniel Buettner <buet...@cse.unl.edu> had some very interesting
>>> mi...@SPAMKILLERusfamily.net (Mike Schneider) wrote:
>>>>> "Gordon" <moi...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> >You're confusing irrational and prime. 7 is prime, but it can be expressed
>>>>> >as a ratio, say, of 21 to 3.
>>>>> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi.
>>>>7 is Pi? Huh?
>>> Well, no; 21/3 is simply an _approximation_ of Pi.
>>No, no, no. Don't they teach you anything in Austria?
>>Pi is 21/7.
>.au is Australia. ;-)
No, I'm sure that's wrong; Hitler was Australian, wasn't he?
>ISTR being told that 22/7 was a reasonable approximation of Pi when I
>took algebra [a LONG time ago].
Well, of course; inflation, you know.
Dave "also, the universe is expanding, so they have to keep adjusting the
value" DeLaney
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Mike Schneider
<rsholme...@mailbox.syr.edu> wrote:
> > ISTR being told that 22/7 was a reasonable approximation of Pi when I
> > took algebra [a LONG time ago].
>
> Pi has been decreasing slowly for the past decade or so.
???
Cite.
Gordon
news:xzc3d14...@rodan.syr.edu...
> Seanette Blaylock <seanette.spam...@impulse.net> writes:
>
> > .au is Australia. ;-)
>
> That'll come as a shock to everyone in Perth.
>
> > Daniel Buettner <buet...@cse.unl.edu> had some very interesting
> > things to say about Re: Munchkin Challenge:
> > >Pi is 21/7.
> >
> > ISTR being told that 22/7 was a reasonable approximation of Pi when I
> > took algebra [a LONG time ago].
>
For certain values of "decade."
--
Gordon
"It decreases faster in Arizona, where Hong is."
Riboflavin
> In article <xzc3d14...@rodan.syr.edu>, Rich Holmes
> <rsholme...@mailbox.syr.edu> wrote:
> > > ISTR being told that 22/7 was a reasonable approximation of Pi when I
> > > took algebra [a LONG time ago].
> >
> > Pi has been decreasing slowly for the past decade or so.
>
> ???
>
> Cite.
>
inflation, right? Well, do you think it just comes out of thin air? Apply
the laws of conservation of matter and energy, and it's pretty obvious where
it must come from. That's like asking for a cite that Austria is both a
continent, an island, a country, and ruled from Perth.
--
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"What we know about Osama bin Laden is this - he's worth $300 million,
he has five wives and 26 kids ... and he hates Americans for their
'excessive' lifestyle." - David Letterman
Riboflavin
"Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spam...@impulse.net> wrote in
message news:uave4u03cu9m77rt5...@4ax.com...
> Daniel Buettner <buet...@cse.unl.edu> had some very interesting
> things to say about Re: Munchkin Challenge:
> >John Burrage <john.b...@health.wa.gov.au> wrote:
> >> mi...@SPAMKILLERusfamily.net (Mike Schneider) wrote:
> >>>In article <kt2d4ugpcm6009d0c...@4ax.com>, Hong Ooi
> >>><hong...@maths.anu.edu.au> wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 05:24:17 GMT, "Gordon" <moi...@austin.rr.com>
wrote:
> >>>> >You're confusing irrational and prime. 7 is prime, but it can be
expressed
> >>>> >as a ratio, say, of 21 to 3.
> >>>> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi.
> >>>7 is Pi? Huh?
> >> Well, no; 21/3 is simply an _approximation_ of Pi.
> >No, no, no. Don't they teach you anything in Austria?
> >Pi is 21/7.
>
> .au is Australia. ;-)
Ummm... I hate to burst your bubble, but .au does NOT refer to any country
in Europe, it's most definately an abbreviation for Austria.
> ISTR being told that 22/7 was a reasonable approximation of Pi when I
> took algebra [a LONG time ago].
>
22/7 may have been a reasonable approximation of Pi when you took Alegebra,
but it's the 21st century now and times have changed. Do you pay the same
price for a loaf of bread or a steam engine as you did when you were a lass
pouring over algebra texts? I think not.
Gordon
news:slrna4f1c...@gatekeeper.vic.com...
> Seanette Blaylock <seanette.spam...@impulse.net> wrote:
> >Daniel Buettner <buet...@cse.unl.edu> had some very interesting
> >>John Burrage <john.b...@health.wa.gov.au> wrote:
> >>> mi...@SPAMKILLERusfamily.net (Mike Schneider) wrote:
> >>>>Hong Ooi <hong...@maths.anu.edu.au> trolled:
> >>>>> "Gordon" <moi...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>> >You're confusing irrational and prime. 7 is prime, but it can be
expressed
> >>>>> >as a ratio, say, of 21 to 3.
> >>>>> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi.
> >>>>7 is Pi? Huh?
> >>> Well, no; 21/3 is simply an _approximation_ of Pi.
> >>No, no, no. Don't they teach you anything in Austria?
> >>Pi is 21/7.
> >.au is Australia. ;-)
>
> No, I'm sure that's wrong; Hitler was Australian, wasn't he?
I invoke Mary Goodwin Shelley's law!
--
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"So there."
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"Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> --
> Kevin Allegood ri...@mindspring.com
HOLY CANNELONI!
Gard Trask AND RIBOFLAVIN!
Two great things in one fantastic evening!
Now please to be bringing back the other following peeps for this reunion:
Lisa P
Noah
Etienne
Scudder
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Melissa
Anson Williams <--- heeeey, how did that get there?
-Lleah
And everyone else I didn't bother to remember.
Fitz
wrote:
>Seanette Blaylock <seanette.spam...@impulse.net> wrote:
>>.au is Australia. ;-)
>
>No, I'm sure that's wrong; Hitler was Australian, wasn't he?
He still is.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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http://mojobob.netnet.net.nz
http://fitz.jsr.com
http://usa.spis.co.nz/fitz
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Seanette Blaylock
say about Re: Munchkin Challenge:
>Ummm... I hate to burst your bubble, but .au does NOT refer to any country
>in Europe, it's most definately an abbreviation for Austria.
Ummm, I hate to burst your bubble, but you're mistaken. See
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/about-the-net/country-codes for
listing. Austria is AT, Australia *is* AU.
>> ISTR being told that 22/7 was a reasonable approximation of Pi when I
>> took algebra [a LONG time ago].
>22/7 may have been a reasonable approximation of Pi when you took Alegebra,
>but it's the 21st century now and times have changed. Do you pay the same
>price for a loaf of bread or a steam engine as you did when you were a lass
>pouring over algebra texts? I think not.
[removing hook from upper lip] :-)
Mike Schneider
> > Pi has been decreasing slowly for the past decade or so.
Blackmoor's "living" mathematics? :-D
Mike Schneider
<ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> "Mike Schneider" <mi...@SPAMKILLERusfamily.net> wrote in message news:mike1-
> > In article <xzc3d14...@rodan.syr.edu>, Rich Holmes
> > <rsholme...@mailbox.syr.edu> wrote:
> > > > ISTR being told that 22/7 was a reasonable approximation of Pi when I
> > > > took algebra [a LONG time ago].
> > >
> > > Pi has been decreasing slowly for the past decade or so.
> >
> > ???
> > Cite.
> >
> Don't they teach ANYTHING in schools anymore? Look, you've heard of
> inflation, right? Well, do you think it just comes out of thin air? Apply
> the laws of conservation of matter and energy, and it's pretty obvious where
> it must come from. That's like asking for a cite that Austria is both a
> continent, an island, a country, and ruled from Perth.
What is this? The mystical timecube?
Dave Seaman
Gordon <moi...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>"David DeLaney" <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in message
>news:slrna4f1c...@gatekeeper.vic.com...
>> Seanette Blaylock <seanette.spam...@impulse.net> wrote:
>> >Daniel Buettner <buet...@cse.unl.edu> had some very interesting
>> >>No, no, no. Don't they teach you anything in Austria?
>> >>Pi is 21/7.
>> >.au is Australia. ;-)
>> No, I'm sure that's wrong; Hitler was Australian, wasn't he?
>I invoke Mary Goodwin Shelley's law!
Thus giving new life to a dead thread?
--
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Amnesty International says Mumia Abu-Jamal decision falls short of justice.
<http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/2001/usa12192001.html>
Riboflavin
> In article <a2866u$tr4$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Riboflavin"
> <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > "Mike Schneider" <mi...@SPAMKILLERusfamily.net> wrote in message
news:mike1-
> > > In article <xzc3d14...@rodan.syr.edu>, Rich Holmes
when I
> > > > > took algebra [a LONG time ago].
> > > >
> > > > Pi has been decreasing slowly for the past decade or so.
> > >
> > > ???
> > > Cite.
> > >
> > Don't they teach ANYTHING in schools anymore? Look, you've heard of
> > inflation, right? Well, do you think it just comes out of thin air?
Apply
> > the laws of conservation of matter and energy, and it's pretty obvious
where
> > it must come from. That's like asking for a cite that Austria is both a
> > continent, an island, a country, and ruled from Perth.
>
> What is this? The mystical timecube?
>
about how it could apply to this discussion.
Riboflavin
> "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> had some very interesting things to
> say about Re: Munchkin Challenge:
> >> .au is Australia. ;-)
> >Ummm... I hate to burst your bubble, but .au does NOT refer to any
country
> >in Europe, it's most definately an abbreviation for Austria.
>
> Ummm, I hate to burst your bubble, but you're mistaken.
No, I'm not mistaken because I always check my facts before posting nonsense
to usenet!
> See
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/about-the-net/country-codes for
> listing. Austria is AT, Australia *is* AU.
I'm not going to fall for your silly tricks and let you HAX0R my system Ms.
Blaylock (if that's your real name)! I went to that supposed web page, and
it tried to save a file on my computer. Fortunately, I'm an expert at
defeating haxor attacks and said 'no' then shut off power at the circuit
breaker, so whatever you were trying to send me didn't get here. Why does
clearing up people's confusion about Austria and Australia provoke such
violent responses anyway?
Seanette Blaylock
say about Re: Munchkin Challenge:
>"Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spam...@impulse.net> wrote in
>message news:rcaf4ugkg1eno1nra...@4ax.com...
>> "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> had some very interesting things to
>> say about Re: Munchkin Challenge:
>> >> .au is Australia. ;-)
>> >Ummm... I hate to burst your bubble, but .au does NOT refer to any
>> >country in Europe, it's most definately an abbreviation for Austria.
>> Ummm, I hate to burst your bubble, but you're mistaken.
>No, I'm not mistaken because I always check my facts before posting nonsense
>to usenet!
[laughing]
>> See
>> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/about-the-net/country-codes for
>> listing. Austria is AT, Australia *is* AU.
>I'm not going to fall for your silly tricks and let you HAX0R my system Ms.
>Blaylock (if that's your real name)! I went to that supposed web page, and
>it tried to save a file on my computer. Fortunately, I'm an expert at
>defeating haxor attacks and said 'no' then shut off power at the circuit
>breaker, so whatever you were trying to send me didn't get here. Why does
>clearing up people's confusion about Austria and Australia provoke such
>violent responses anyway?
Whatever drugs you're on, I want some. ;-)
Francesco Benvenuto
Seanette Blaylock <sean...@impulse.net> wrote:
>"Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> had some very interesting things to
>say about Re: Munchkin Challenge:
>>"Seanette Blaylock" <seanette.spam...@impulse.net> wrote in
>>message news:rcaf4ugkg1eno1nra...@4ax.com...
>>> "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> had some very interesting things to
>>> say about Re: Munchkin Challenge:
>>> >> .au is Australia. ;-)
>>> >Ummm... I hate to burst your bubble, but .au does NOT refer to any
>>> >country in Europe, it's most definately an abbreviation for Austria.
>>> Ummm, I hate to burst your bubble, but you're mistaken.
>>No, I'm not mistaken because I always check my facts before posting nonsense
>>to usenet!
>
>[laughing]
I thought I had had the last laugh. Imagine my surprise when I moved to
Switzerland and found myself suddenly bordering on Queensland!
I COULDN'T HAVE BEEN ANY GAY^H^H^H HAPPIER!
>>clearing up people's confusion about Austria and Australia provoke such
>>violent responses anyway?
>
>Whatever drugs you're on, I want some. ;-)
As former Austrian prime minister Aleister Crowley would have put it:
"Kibo is the drug. Kibo in drag."
Shouldn't we be talking about Munchkin, capital of Bavaria?
Wouldn't the fine folks at sci.math like some slice of Pi?
--
fB "Perché io ne ho visti piú d'uno, de' ciuchi, andare al governo; e dunque
se io portassi il mio con me non sarebbe cosa nuova." - Sancio Panza
Peter Seebach
Mike Schneider <mi...@SPAMKILLERusfamily.net> wrote:
>In article <xzc3d14...@rodan.syr.edu>, Rich Holmes
><rsholme...@mailbox.syr.edu> wrote:
>> Pi has been decreasing slowly for the past decade or so.
> ???
> Cite.
Good God, man. Do you have *NO* sense of humor?
Peter Seebach
Riboflavin <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>"Mike Schneider" <mi...@SPAMKILLERusfamily.net> wrote in message news:mike1-
>
>Look, if you can't understand this, maybe you should lookup YHBT and think
>about how it could apply to this discussion.
I ain't touching any of them cows with chemicals in 'em.
Peter Seebach
Seanette Blaylock <sean...@impulse.net> wrote:
>"Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> had some very interesting things to
>say about Re: Munchkin Challenge:
>>> .au is Australia. ;-)
>>Ummm... I hate to burst your bubble, but .au does NOT refer to any country
>>in Europe, it's most definately an abbreviation for Austria.
>Ummm, I hate to burst your bubble, but you're mistaken. See
>http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/about-the-net/country-codes for
>listing. Austria is AT, Australia *is* AU.
I hate to burst your bubble, but the big continent with the kangaroo in
every pot is "Austria", and the country in Europe that Hitler came from
(and they have a commemorative stamp, worth $.01) is "Australia". Some
small number of people mistake these, unfortunately, most of them are in
positions of public authority or run map companies.
Peter Seebach
>It's accurate to seven significant figures.
Yeah? Well *WHAT ABOUT THE EIGHTH*?
At least "3.14" is honest, and admits that it has *NO IDEA* what the third
digit is. Your "johnny mnemonic" there *LIES* about the 8th digit.
Gordon
wrote in message news:a2978o$f...@seaman.cc.purdue.edu...
> In article <WZM18.3493$ZK3.1...@typhoon.austin.rr.com>,
> Gordon <moi...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> >"David DeLaney" <d...@gatekeeper.vic.com> wrote in message
> >news:slrna4f1c...@gatekeeper.vic.com...
> >> Seanette Blaylock <seanette.spam...@impulse.net> wrote:
> >> >Daniel Buettner <buet...@cse.unl.edu> had some very interesting
>
> >> >>No, no, no. Don't they teach you anything in Austria?
> >> >>Pi is 21/7.
> >> >.au is Australia. ;-)
>
> >> No, I'm sure that's wrong; Hitler was Australian, wasn't he?
>
> >I invoke Mary Goodwin Shelley's law!
>
> Thus giving new life to a dead thread?
Is that a bolt in your neck, or are you just happy to see me?
IYKWIM, AITYD
--
Gordon
"I have as much authority as the Pope.
I just don't have as many people who believe it."
Jacob W. Haller
> 22/7 may have been a reasonable approximation of Pi when you took Alegebra,
> but it's the 21st century now and times have changed. Do you pay the same
> price for a loaf of bread or a steam engine as you did when you were a lass
> pouring over algebra texts? I think not.
Actually the 21st century doesn't start until next year, because there
was no year 1.
Thanks,
jwgh
--
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and keeping the desert free of their pitiful carcasses.
- (Tsu Dho Nimh, news.admin.net-abuse.email 8/19/98)
Jordan Wolbrum
I always though it was because dividing subtracts powers.
So if X^M / X^N = X^(M-N), then X^0 can be equivalent to X^M / X^N where N=M,
and anything divided by itself is 1.
-JW
Phil Carmody
> I hate to burst your bubble, but the big continent with the kangaroo in
> every pot is "Austria", and the country in Europe that Hitler came from
> (and they have a commemorative stamp, worth $.01) is "Australia". Some
> small number of people mistake these, unfortunately, most of them are in
> positions of public authority or run map companies.
Or news agencies:
http://asdf.org/~anna/american_geography.jpg
They really should have double-czeched that before broadcasting it,
groan.
Phil
Bradd W. Szonye
>> .au is Australia. ;-)
Passenger Pigeon <passeng...@email.com> wrote:
> not like this statement even makes sense. au is the abbreviation for
> the element aluminium.
No, "Au" is the abbreviation for aluminum. Note the uppercase "A" and
the lack of a dot. With a dot and a lowercase "a," it's the URL country
code for Austria or the file extension of a QuickTime sound file. You
should check your facts before posting nonsense to Usenet!
--
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Software Design Engineer Home: bra...@concentric.net
Hewlett-Packard, Cupertino Phone: 408-447-4832
Matt McIrvin
Peter Seebach <se...@plethora.net> wrote:
>
>At least "3.14" is honest, and admits that it has *NO IDEA* what the third
>digit is. Your "johnny mnemonic" there *LIES* about the 8th digit.
BOYCOTT LYING IEEE FLOATING POINT
Riboflavin
news:1f67eax.1y52eaj63fwb2N%
> Riboflavin <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> > 22/7 may have been a reasonable approximation of Pi when you took
Alegebra,
> > but it's the 21st century now and times have changed. Do you pay the
same
> > price for a loaf of bread or a steam engine as you did when you were a
lass
> > pouring over algebra texts? I think not.
>
> Actually the 21st century doesn't start until next year, because there
> was no year 1.
>
you're forgetting that time has inertia. Once you correct for that, you will
see that it is the 21st century and that we must blow up the moon to create
a lower common denominator.
Riboflavin
> >> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/about-the-net/country-codes for
> >> listing. Austria is AT, Australia *is* AU.
> >I'm not going to fall for your silly tricks and let you HAX0R my system
Ms.
> >Blaylock (if that's your real name)! I went to that supposed web page,
and
> >it tried to save a file on my computer. Fortunately, I'm an expert at
> >defeating haxor attacks and said 'no' then shut off power at the circuit
> >breaker, so whatever you were trying to send me didn't get here. Why does
> >clearing up people's confusion about Austria and Australia provoke such
> >violent responses anyway?
>
> Whatever drugs you're on, I want some. ;-)
>
just good old-fashioned religion.
Riboflavin
> >> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/docs/about-the-net/country-codes for
> >> listing. Austria is AT, Australia *is* AU.
> >I'm not going to fall for your silly tricks and let you HAX0R my system
Ms.
> >Blaylock (if that's your real name)! I went to that supposed web page,
and
> >it tried to save a file on my computer. Fortunately, I'm an expert at
> >defeating haxor attacks and said 'no' then shut off power at the circuit
> >breaker, so whatever you were trying to send me didn't get here. Why does
> >clearing up people's confusion about Austria and Australia provoke such
> >violent responses anyway?
>
> Whatever drugs you're on, I want some. ;-)
>
just good old-fashioned religion.
Arivne
Peter Seebach wrote:
> Mike Schneider <mi...@SPAMKILLERusfamily.net> wrote:
>> Rich Holmes <rsholme...@mailbox.syr.edu> wrote:
>
>>> Pi has been decreasing slowly for the past decade or so.
>
>> ???
>
>> Cite.
>
> Good God, man. Do you have *NO* sense of humor?
He's either a humorless, clueless fanatic or a troll. On Usenet it's
hard to tell the difference. <shrug>
Arivne
Benjamin Adams
news:slrna4gsv9...@zany.cup.hp.com...
> Passenger Pigeon <passeng...@email.com> wrote:
> > not like this statement even makes sense. au is the abbreviation for
> > the element aluminium.
>
> No, "Au" is the abbreviation for aluminum. Note the uppercase "A" and
> the lack of a dot. With a dot and a lowercase "a," it's the URL country
> code for Austria or the file extension of a QuickTime sound file. You
> should check your facts before posting nonsense to Usenet!
No, "Au" is gold. "Al" is aluminum.
-Ben Adams
Gordon
news:a2b91u$3c8$1...@slb0.atl.mindspring.net...
No, A.I. was that awful Steven Segal tearjerker.
gergen
> *
> My favorite approximation of pi:
>
> Remember the numbers 1-1-3-3-5-5
>
> Write them down like this:
>
> Denominator: 113 Numerator: 355
>
> 355 / 113 = 3.141592920...
>
> It's accurate to seven significant figures.
>
> earle
> *
I just read that the Japanese have a mnemonic for pi that goes
out to 19 decimal places:
3 14 15 9 2 6 5 3 5 8 9 7 9 2 2 3 8 4
Saishi ikoku ni muko sa, ko wa ku naku mi fusawashi.
"A genius becomes a son-in-law in a foreign country; his child goes
along without difficulty."
From linguist Haruhiko Kindaichi, _The Japanese Language_
Um, but this kind of thing was already hashed out in articles like:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=xpolakis-2302961953570001%40arringt
on.dscnet.com&output=gplain
This one may be shorter, but sounds more elegant and makes more
sense. Obstetrician?
gergen
--
"Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins."
Mike Schneider
You have to realize that I'm currently involved in another thread on this
newsgroup of such stupefying vacuousness that it beggars the imagination,
so it wasn't any stretch for me to believe that someone actually *meant*
that when they wrote it, and I wanted to see how far they'd go.
gergen
> With a dot and a lowercase "a," it's the URL country
> code for Austria or the file extension of a QuickTime sound file. You
> should check your facts before posting nonsense to Usenet!
No, that last one is sun's sound file format. Named to memorialize
its developer who managed to make the first recording with it just
as he was being crushed by a 21" fixed scan monitor.
gergen
--
"Watson, come here. I need you."
John D Salt
news:3C48F97F...@home.com:
He might have been expecting people to be a bit quicker with the
ol' impropmtu spurious references. See for example Thurlstone
and Rehnquist, "Tracking the changing curvature of plane geometry
with historical examples" (Int J Str Math 4:3 1987), or
Bultitude's seminal "Fluctuations in pi: An ethnomathematical
perspective" (J Sterc Cereb 1:12 1979).
The technique of spurious reference is used extensively by adepts
at the academic art of self-defence, Ti Ching. Interested
readers are referred to Bowery, Leytonstone and Snood,
"Impromtitude, Inexactitude and Unassailability" (Pseudologica
123:4 2003).
All the best,
John.
Sea Wasp
>
> <earle...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > *
> > My favorite approximation of pi:
> >
> > Remember the numbers 1-1-3-3-5-5
> >
> > Write them down like this:
> >
> > Denominator: 113 Numerator: 355
> >
> > 355 / 113 = 3.141592920...
> >
> > It's accurate to seven significant figures.
> >
> > earle
> > *
>
> I just read that the Japanese have a mnemonic for pi that goes
> out to 19 decimal places:
>
> 3 14 15 9 2 6 5 3 5 8 9 7 9 2 2 3 8 4
> Saishi ikoku ni muko sa, ko wa ku naku mi fusawashi.
>
> "A genius becomes a son-in-law in a foreign country; his child goes
> along without difficulty."
Why bother? I just remember it.
Pi=(roughly)
3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944...
Yes, that's from memory.
A friend of mine had it memorized to 200+ places, and I think the world
record is well up into the thousands...
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James Waldby
> <earle...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > My favorite approximation of pi:
> > Remember the numbers 1-1-3-3-5-5
> > 355 / 113 = 3.141592920...
> >
> > It's accurate to seven significant figures.
> out to 19 decimal places:
>
> 3 14 15 9 2 6 5 3 5 8 9 7 9 2 2 3 8 4
> Saishi ikoku ni muko sa, ko wa ku naku mi fusawashi.
>
> "A genius becomes a son-in-law in a foreign country; his child goes
> along without difficulty."
>
> From linguist Haruhiko Kindaichi, _The Japanese Language_
>
> Um, but this kind of thing was already hashed out in articles like:
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=xpolakis-2302961953570001%40arringt on.dscnet.com&output=gplain
That ref seems to be missing this 20-digit mnemonic:
"Pie. I wish I could remember pi; Eureka! cried the great
inventor, Christmas pudding, Christmas pie, is the problem's
very center."
Gordon
news:Xns919B92666846...@62.172.195.196...
> Arivne <ari...@home.com> wrote in
> news:3C48F97F...@home.com:
>
> >
> >
> > Peter Seebach wrote:
> >> Mike Schneider <mi...@SPAMKILLERusfamily.net> wrote:
> >>> Rich Holmes <rsholme...@mailbox.syr.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Pi has been decreasing slowly for the past decade or so.
> >>
> >>> ???
> >>
> >>> Cite.
> >>
> >> Good God, man. Do you have *NO* sense of humor?
> >
> > He's either a humorless, clueless fanatic or a troll. On
> > Usenet it's hard to tell the difference. <shrug>
>
> He might have been expecting people to be a bit quicker with the
> ol' impropmtu spurious references. See for example Thurlstone
> and Rehnquist, "Tracking the changing curvature of plane geometry
> with historical examples" (Int J Str Math 4:3 1987), or
> Bultitude's seminal "Fluctuations in pi: An ethnomathematical
> perspective" (J Sterc Cereb 1:12 1979).
You just keep your seminal fluctuations to yourself, thankyouverymuch.
earle...@attbi.com
Nicko <nervo...@onebox.com> wrote:
> Darla Vladschyk wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:29:37 GMT, Virgil <vmh...@attbi.com> wrote:
> >
> > >In article <kt2d4ugpcm6009d0c...@4ax.com>,
> > > Hong Ooi <hong...@maths.anu.edu.au> wrote:
> > >
> > >> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi...
*
I have discovered that 21 / 3 is also a good approximation to seven.
earle
*
David DeLaney
>> > > Hong Ooi <hong...@maths.anu.edu.au> wrote:
>> > >> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi...
>*
>I have discovered that 21 / 3 is also a good approximation to seven.
>earle
>*
How large are your margins?
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earle...@attbi.com
d...@gatekeeper.vic.com (David DeLaney) wrote:
> earle...@attbi.com <earle...@attbi.com> wrote:
> >> > > Hong Ooi <hong...@maths.anu.edu.au> wrote:
> >> > >> That can't be right. Everyone knows that 21/3 is Pi...
> >*
> >I have discovered that 21 / 3 is also a good approximation to seven.
> >earle
> >*
>
> How large are your margins?
>
> Dave "Of error, I mean" DeLaney
*
21 / 3 is also a good approximation to 8 -- for large values of 21.
earle
*
Firelock
> *sigh* I'm sure that the late Doctor Abian is rolling over in his grave -
> you're forgetting that time has inertia. Once you correct for that, you will
> see that it is the 21st century and that we must blow up the moon to create
> a lower common denominator.
Ridiculous. How do you intend to generate a new lower common
denominator, when Professional Wrestling is already so closely
linked to the current one? Ex-president Gerald Ford's brother
Randy "Macho-Man" Travis would kick your ass from here to Austria
for even trying it.
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
Riboflavin
grave -
> > you're forgetting that time has inertia. Once you correct for that, you
will
> > see that it is the 21st century and that we must blow up the moon to
create
> > a lower common denominator.
>
> Ridiculous. How do you intend to generate a new lower common
> denominator, when Professional Wrestling is already so closely
> linked to the current one?
Did I say that it would be easy? No, you ignorant slut, that very difficulty
is why we must BLOW UP THE MOON. Have you even bothered to do the
calculations?
>Ex-president Gerald Ford's brother
> Randy "Macho-Man" Travis would kick your ass from here to Austria
> for even trying it.
>
Ridiculous. There's no way "Macho-Man" Travis would go to the South Pacific.
Fred Curtis
[snipped]
>...
>That ref seems to be missing this 20-digit mnemonic:
>
>"Pie. I wish I could remember pi; Eureka! cried the great
>inventor, Christmas pudding, Christmas pie, is the problem's
>very center."
Sadly, the 5th decimal, "remember" is 8. It should be 9.
Glenn Knickerbocker
>Sadly, the 5th decimal, "remember" is 8. It should be 9.
He's left out the second bee.
ŹR http://users.bestweb.net/~notr/travelog/19990724.html
"How can I get [Henry Rollins] into Joe Manfre's pants?"
Sea Wasp
>
> "Firelock" <firel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<a2ann1$579
> > > *sigh* I'm sure that the late Doctor Abian is rolling over in his
> grave -
> > > you're forgetting that time has inertia. Once you correct for that, you
> will
> > > see that it is the 21st century and that we must blow up the moon to
> create
> > > a lower common denominator.
> >
> > Ridiculous. How do you intend to generate a new lower common
> > denominator, when Professional Wrestling is already so closely
> > linked to the current one?
>
> Did I say that it would be easy? No, you ignorant slut, that very difficulty
> is why we must BLOW UP THE MOON. Have you even bothered to do the
> calculations?
Blowing up the moon is too easy; Kame-Senin did it once, Piccolo did it
another time, basically it's old hat.
Phaenar
"Sea Wasp" <sea...@wizvax.net> wrote in message
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> Riboflavin wrote:
> >
> > "Firelock" <firel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > "Riboflavin" <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<a2ann1$579
> > > > *sigh* I'm sure that the late Doctor Abian is rolling over in his
> > grave -
> > > > you're forgetting that time has inertia. Once you correct for that,
you
> > will
> > > > see that it is the 21st century and that we must blow up the moon to
> > create
> > > > a lower common denominator.
> > >
> > > Ridiculous. How do you intend to generate a new lower common
> > > denominator, when Professional Wrestling is already so closely
> > > linked to the current one?
> >
> > Did I say that it would be easy? No, you ignorant slut, that very
difficulty
> > is why we must BLOW UP THE MOON. Have you even bothered to do the
> > calculations?
>
> Blowing up the moon is too easy; Kame-Senin did it once, Piccolo did it
> another time, basically it's old hat.
Blow up the sun, that would be cool.
James Waldby
>
> James Waldby <j-wa...@pat7.com> wrote:
> [snipped]
> >...
> >That ref seems to be missing this 20-digit mnemonic:
> >
> >"Pie. I wish I could remember pi; Eureka!
>
> Sadly, the 5th decimal, "remember" is 8. It should be 9.
That means I've remembbered the wrong mnemonic for way too
long. Looking it up, I see that "recollect" is shown in
http://www.fun-with-words.com/mnem_numbers.html
but I think "enumerate" reads a bit better:
"Pie. I wish I could enumerate pi; Eureka! cried the great
Tim Woodall
Tim.
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Etienne Rouette
<1f67eax.1y52eaj63fwb2N%jw...@earthlink.net>...
>Riboflavin <ri...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> 22/7 may have been a reasonable approximation of Pi when you took
Alegebra,
>> but it's the 21st century now and times have changed. Do you pay the same
>> price for a loaf of bread or a steam engine as you did when you were a
lass
>> pouring over algebra texts? I think not.
>
>Actually the 21st century doesn't start until next year, because there
>was no year 1.
>
Hmmm, I should ask Chris Franks to be sure (he'd know, he was there), but I
believe there was no year 1000, because of the big Y1K scare. They just
skipped it. Went straight to 1001. Which is even worse because it's
satanical (you can read it backwards). That's also the same time Leonardo Da
Vinci invented numerology and things started to go wrong in this world.
Joseph Michael Bay
>James Waldby <j-wa...@pat7.com> writes:
>> "Pie. I wish I could enumerate pi; Eureka! cried the great
>> inventor, Christmas pudding, Christmas pie, is the problem's
>> very center."
>Too clean. You'll never remember a mnemonic that isn't suggestive if
>not downright filthy. The classic example is the highly un-PC "Bad
>Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly" (not for pi, for
>the resistor color code).
For a while I wore a pair of 640kOhm resistors as earrings. One reason
I stopped was that all these vaguely creepy engineering guys were
telling me that mnemonic. Oddly, they usually started this with "Did
you know you have resistors in your ears?"
I didn't normally respond "I can't hear you; I have a resistor in
my ear" but I should have.
Anyway, if anyone (like PAULA) wants to get techie guys to talk
to them about resistors, you could do worse than wearing resistors
as earrings. If you're a chyxor and you tell them your name is
Violet, j00 0wn th3m.
--
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Chris Franks
"Etienne Rouette" <erou...@infonet.ca> wrote in message > >
>
> Hmmm, I should ask Chris Franks to be sure (he'd know, he was there), but
I
> believe there was no year 1000, because of the big Y1K scare. They just
> skipped it. Went straight to 1001. Which is even worse because it's
> satanical (you can read it backwards). That's also the same time Leonardo
Da
> Vinci invented numerology and things started to go wrong in this world.
Yes, I was there, and plan to continue to be here. So far, so good.
The big scare in 999 was that the world had to end in 1000 because the
Bible
said Christianity would only be around for 1000 years. But, the Bible
also says that a thousand years are like a single day,
so this could continue for quite some time, until the meteor hits.
>
>
>
>
Chad Lubrecht
wrote:
I figure if you need Pi to more than 2 decimal places (3.14) you
really should be doing the calculation with a calculator anyway,
and all my calculators have a Pi button...
Sea Wasp
>
> James Waldby <j-wa...@pat7.com> writes:
>
> > "Pie. I wish I could enumerate pi; Eureka! cried the great
> > inventor, Christmas pudding, Christmas pie, is the problem's
> > very center."
>
> not downright filthy. The classic example is the highly un-PC "Bad
> Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly" (not for pi, for
> mind for what, I don't even remember what it was a mnemonic *for*.
> Our professor tried to teach us "Good Professors Have Studied Under
> Very Fine Teachers" but that was too mind-numbingly dull to remember.
> We found "George Plimpton Has Some Ugly Virgins For Trade" much more
> effective.
Not to mention that it boggles the mind that someone would find it
easier to memorize a 21 word sentence and then count the letters in
each word than to simply memorize the 21 digits.
Jyrki W. Puska
> Not to mention that it boggles the mind that someone would find it
>easier to memorize a 21 word sentence and then count the letters in
>each word than to simply memorize the 21 digits.
Not at all.
It simply means that the person finds it easier to learn by auditory input than
by visual input. Visual/auditory dominance is inborn and immutable, just like
left/right hemisphere dominance. You're probably a visual learner, so it's no
surprise that you find it boggling - but those who react by predominantly
auditory manner no doubt find your statement equally boggling. :-7
Sea Wasp
I hear the digits in my head, so I don't know if that's entirely
visual. I memorized five a day until I got to 70 or so; considering
that (if pi was the limiting factor) this would allow me to target any
individual amoeba on the edge of the universe and blow its nucleus
out, had I a superweapon with sufficient range, I think that's more
digits than I'll ever need...
Kaos
>Trivial, I'll use a first level commoner and only 1200 gp. Subtract 7
>> > points from the 8 and one from one of the 15s to make the set of stats
>> > 18, 18, 18, 15, 14, 1. Assign stats as STR18, DEX1, CON18, INT18, WIS18,
>> > CHR14. Spend the 1200 on a set of Bracers of Defenselessness, and take a
>> > free club for a weapon and weapon proficiency. My damage is 1D6 (club)
>> > +4 (STR), for an average of 7.5. My AC is 10 (base) -5 (dex) -5
>> > (bracers) for a total of 0. Damage/AC is 7.5/0, for an infinite
>> > damage/AC ratio, which I doubt anyone can beat.
>>
>> Unless someone gets an infitity of larger magnitude (e.g. 10.5/0).
>>
>Ok, my math could be wrong but I don't think so, but isn't any number divided
>by zero undeclared, or rather a null value, not infinity....
Depends on the context you're using said math in.
Basic algebra: undefined.
Calculus: starts meddling with stuff like 'limits as X approachs Y'
type of stuff, which allows for infinite values.
First encounter I had with this involved a junior high research
project. I chose black holes, and one of the texts expressed their
gravity at the event horizon as x/0 (or somesuch: mass divided by
area, as area approached 0.) T'was old, though.
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Kaos
<tre...@crap.hotmail.com> wrote:
>IMHO I think it's all wrong. Realistically, if you divide by 0, you're
>really dividing by nothing.. therefore you're actually not doing
>anything, and the answer should be the original number. ie. 3/0 = 3.
That's flip-flopping between math-syntax and english-syntax, though.
By math grammer: division = 'how many times must I add value Y to
itself in order to get value X?'
ie. 6/2 = 3 (2+2+2=6, 3 times.)
6/0 = ??? (0+0+0...=6; either no can create this function, or must do
this infinite times just to get to 1, then must repeat that 6 more
times...)