Crusade uses jms broadcast order
Jms at B5
the folks at TNT kafuffled the airdates and schedule based on what I'd
originally had in mind. The theory is, you start out with general episodes to
introduce the situation, characters and story, then you focus on individual
characters. The first five we shot, intended to produce this effect, got
shoved to the back of the line and we then had to air the individual-themed
ones *first*...essentially inverting the order.
So SFC asked me what the preferred author's order would be...and that's how
they've structured it, costume change be damned. Yes, there will be some
dialogue glitches now, because we looped a few things to try and do least
violence to the chronology of previously shot shows...but from an overall story
perspective, this is the preferred order (as best I could remember it when they
called and asked).
So here is the order in which the Crusade eps will be broadcast:
Mon, April 9 8:00 PM CRUSADE RACING THE NIGHT
Tue, April 10 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE NEEDS OF EARTH
Wed, April 11 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE MEMORY OF WAR
Thu, April 12 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE LONG ROAD
Mon, April 16 8:00 PM CRUSADE VISITORS FROM DOWN THE STREET
Tue, April 17 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE WELL OF FOREVER
Wed, April 18 8:00 PM CRUSADE EACH NIGHT I DREAM OF HOME
Thu, April 19 8:00 PM CRUSADE PATTERNS OF THE SOUL
Mon, April 23 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE PATH OF SORROWS
Tue, April 24 8:00 PM CRUSADE RULING FROM THE TOMB
Wed, April 25 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE RULES OF THE GAME
Thu, April 26 8:00 PM CRUSADE WAR ZONE
Mon, April 30 8:00 PM CRUSADE APPEARANCES AND OTHER DECEITS
jms
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| So the SciFi Channel asked me what order I'd like to air the series in,
since
| the folks at TNT kafuffled the airdates and schedule based on what I'd
| originally had in mind.
"Kafluffled" must be another of those highly technical terms that I should
add to my vocabulary...
Kevin Munoz
<jms...@aol.com> wrote:
> So SFC asked me what the preferred author's order would be...and that's how
> they've structured it, costume change be damned. Yes, there will be some
> dialogue glitches now, because we looped a few things to try and do least
> violence to the chronology of previously shot shows...but from an overall
Okay, now, I know this is going to sound really nitpicky...but is there
a chance that the original dialogue is lying around somewhere and could
be re-looped back in?
I never got into Crusade because I was blinded (or is that deafened?)
by the music (and I have since been disabused of my dislike), so I
didn't see past the second episode...but now that it's coming back
around I'm definitely going to catch it, and I'd like to know what I
"should hear" instead of what I "will hear" in the various bits of
changed dialogue. So if anyone actually knows what lines got changed
and could list them, that would be much appreciated - so even if the
dialogue can't be fixed, I could check a "transcript" of sorts and fill
in the blanks "manually."
Kevin Munoz
Scott Tengelin
time. Looping dialogue be damned, at least you, as they say, got what you wanted.
:)
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>
> Okay, now, I know this is going to sound really nitpicky...but is there
> a chance that the original dialogue is lying around somewhere and could
> be re-looped back in?
That would be too expensive to do just for reruns.
> So if anyone actually knows what lines got changed
> and could list them, that would be much appreciated
The one I know about is when Lochley meets Gideon in "Each Night I Dream
of Home". It's supposed to be their first meeting, by the looped it to
say "Nice to see you again" or something like that.
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Kevin Munoz
<a_b...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> Kevin Munoz wrote:
> >
> > Okay, now, I know this is going to sound really nitpicky...but is there
> > a chance that the original dialogue is lying around somewhere and could
> > be re-looped back in?
>
> That would be too expensive to do just for reruns.
Yeah, yeah, I know...pipe dream...
>
> > So if anyone actually knows what lines got changed
> > and could list them, that would be much appreciated
>
> The one I know about is when Lochley meets Gideon in "Each Night I Dream
> of Home". It's supposed to be their first meeting, by the looped it to
> say "Nice to see you again" or something like that.
Okay. That's one of 2 or three I've heard about, and it actually isn't
that bad. So thanks. That eases my concern a bit.
Kevin Munoz
webmaster
appearances and other deciets at the end. Just ignore the fact that an
episode where the uniform encountered a mysterious accident was unneccessary
and act like the suit change happened behind the scenes.
War Zone (Needs to be first) then:
Appearances and Other Deciets
Racing The Night
The Needs Of Earth
Memory of War
Needs of Earth
Visitors from Down the Street
Each night I dream of home
(hidden uniform dump)
The Long Road
Patterns of the Soul
Ruling from the Tomb
The Rules of the game
The Well of Forever
The Path of Sorrows
Should end with the path of sorrows since it reveals do much
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Pål Are Nordal
>
> Surely there is a way the uniform change can be included without dumping
> appearances and other deciets at the end. Just ignore the fact that an
> episode where the uniform encountered a mysterious accident was unneccessary
> and act like the suit change happened behind the scenes.
>
> War Zone (Needs to be first) then:
But one of the main points of the new episode order is to /not/ start
the show with "War Zone". On TNT that episode cost the show over 1/4th
of the initial audience, and I don't see the point of letting that
happen again.
Carl N. Hoff
able to see Crusade again. This time I really hope to be able
to introduce two new friends to the series and the B5 universe
in general. So I have two quick questions that I see coming
from them:
(1) How do I get more? To which I'd love to be able to point
them to your two Scripts at Bookface, which sadly isn't
an option. Are there any plans to make these available to
the new fans this SciFi airing will draw? Maybe something
to think about adding as an extra to one of the Crusade
DVD's down the road, please....
(2) Can (or should) anything be inferred about the fate of a
possible resurrection of Crusade from the news of this
new B5 series going forward? Is this good news or bad
news for Crusade's chances?
Thanks for your time and I eagerly look forward to both Crusades
and this new 'potential' series, and sharing them with new
friends.
Regards,
Carl
B5 Fan
SciFi Channel to air Crusade this way. I have always been a strong proponent
for Racing the Night being shown first, and I'm very happy that it will.
Mr. Straczynski, thank you for going to the trouble of getting SciFi Channel to
air it this way :-)
--
"I do not believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and
intellect has intended us to forgo their use." -- Galileo
Lisa Coulter
says...
>
>webmaster wrote:
>>=20
>> Surely there is a way the uniform change can be included without dumpin=
>g
>> appearances and other deciets at the end. Just ignore the fact that an
>ssary
>> and act like the suit change happened behind the scenes.
>> War Zone (Needs to be first) then:
>
>But one of the main points of the new episode order is to /not/ start
>the show with "War Zone". On TNT that episode cost the show over 1/4th
>of the initial audience, and I don't see the point of letting that
>happen again.
>
Why not just assume they have two different uniforms? I know the uniform TNT
forced on them was dumb, but....
It's just amazing to me (but not surprising) that Joe would take the time with
all he's got going on to reorder the episodes and it sounds like do some voice
changes in an attempt to make things work better.
I can't wait.
Lisa
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Joseph DeMartino
Actually the uniforms that TNT forced on them (the black ones) looked a lot
better than the ones they started out with (the gray and red ones.)
Just giving credit where credit is due.
Joe
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>
> > I know the uniform TNT forced on them was dumb, but... <
>
> Actually the uniforms that TNT forced on them (the black ones) looked a lot
> better than the ones they started out with (the gray and red ones.)
From jms comments I gathered that he agreed the uniforms didn't look as
good as they should, and wanted to change them anyway. I also doubt TNT
designed the new uniforms.
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Mac Breck
From: "Carl N. Hoff" <ho...@hfab1.sc.ti.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 11:27 AM
Subject: ATTN JMS: Two questions
> First let me say, thanks. I'm really looking forward to being
> able to see Crusade again. This time I really hope to be able
> to introduce two new friends to the series and the B5 universe
> in general. So I have two quick questions that I see coming
> from them:
>
> (1) How do I get more? To which I'd love to be able to point
> them to your two Scripts at Bookface, which sadly isn't
> an option. Are there any plans to make these available to
> the new fans this SciFi airing will draw? Maybe something
> to think about adding as an extra to one of the Crusade
> DVD's down the road, please....
Yes, I'd like to be able to BUY the unfilmed scripts.
> (2) Can (or should) anything be inferred about the fate of a
> possible resurrection of Crusade from the news of this
> new B5 series going forward? Is this good news or bad
> news for Crusade's chances?
Now THAT'S an excellent question!
Mac
Mac Breck
Why show "War Zone" at all? It'll be really out of place as the second to
last episode, unless the looping takes care of it somehow.
Mac
BRETNTRACI
>changes in an attempt to make things work better.
The voice changes were done for the initial broadcast making it work *then*
with the new order some of those comments will seem odd *now*
Iain Clark
"Kevin Munoz" <ke...@tesarta.com> wrote in message
news:210320010755557517%ke...@tesarta.com...
Overall this can only be a good thing. Any confusion over some elements of
the show will hopefully be outweighed by the fact that it'll get the proper
start it deserves.
People are willing to stick with something if not given good cause to
believe it's utter crap from the first episode :-) Racing the Night is a
good pilot.
Iain
--
"Signs, portents, dreams...next thing
we'll be reading tea leaves and chicken entrails."
Matthew Vincent
>So here is the order in which the Crusade eps will be broadcast:
>
>Mon, April 9 8:00 PM CRUSADE RACING THE NIGHT
>Tue, April 10 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE NEEDS OF EARTH
>Wed, April 11 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE MEMORY OF WAR
>Thu, April 12 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE LONG ROAD
>Mon, April 16 8:00 PM CRUSADE VISITORS FROM DOWN THE STREET
>Tue, April 17 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE WELL OF FOREVER
>Wed, April 18 8:00 PM CRUSADE EACH NIGHT I DREAM OF HOME
>Thu, April 19 8:00 PM CRUSADE PATTERNS OF THE SOUL
>Mon, April 23 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE PATH OF SORROWS
>Tue, April 24 8:00 PM CRUSADE RULING FROM THE TOMB
>Wed, April 25 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE RULES OF THE GAME
>Thu, April 26 8:00 PM CRUSADE WAR ZONE
>Mon, April 30 8:00 PM CRUSADE APPEARANCES AND OTHER DECEITS
I notice that WZ appears near the end, and I'm a bit confused about
this. I had assumed that WZ would need to be shown *first*, because it
would look funny seeing an introduction as the 2nd last episode
(although I do understand that a linear timescale isn't always
necessary). But still, it seems to me that WZ needs to be shown first,
due to the content, such as when Gideon is first given the assignment.
I'm only going by what I've seen from getting the videos, but that's
how it has looked to me. Unless, that is, you've been able to make
changes to WZ based on removing all the pointless extras which were
either already explained in ACtA, or else which TNT naively requested
to be added when they were unnecessary anyway.
I can see how the rest of the episodes (besides WZ) have been written
so that they could appear in pretty much any order, which is probably
a precaution you took knowing that TNT might stuff you around and
change the order into something illogical. A most sensible precaution,
at that, given the circumstances.
Matthew
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>
> Why show "War Zone" at all?
Because SciFi paid for it.
Joseph DeMartino
last episode, unless the looping takes care of it somehow. <
Because it's part of the package and Sci-Fi is *paying* for it. Warner
Bros. would like to make some money off the show and they aren't going to
shelve 1/13th of the finished project just because we think it sucks. I
think it would make more sense to air it last, though, as a "here's an idea
for a first episode that REALLY didn't work" coda.
Regards,
Joe
webmaster
"Pål Are Nordal" <a_b...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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webmaster wrote:
>
> Surely there is a way the uniform change can be included without dumping
> appearances and other deciets at the end. Just ignore the fact that an
> episode where the uniform encountered a mysterious accident was
unneccessary
> and act like the suit change happened behind the scenes.
>
> War Zone (Needs to be first) then:
But one of the main points of the new episode order is to /not/ start
the show with "War Zone". On TNT that episode cost the show over 1/4th
of the initial audience, and I don't see the point of letting that
happen again.
The point being that the Story itself doesn't flow - we have the first
episode second last!
I've watched my little list all the way through and it completely covers any
problems and actually makes the show seem rather good. The problem at the
beginning was running The Long Road straight after War Zone - a story about
dragons Before building up what Galen was all about didn't make sense. Nor
does JMS's new ordering which makes No Sense ! (sorry JMS). I have all the
episodes on tape - believe me this order makes the show seem like it's going
somewhere! (well - I'll watch it in this order even if nobody else does -
humph)
Nathan
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John W. Kennedy
> (2) Can (or should) anything be inferred about the fate of a
> possible resurrection of Crusade from the news of this
> new B5 series going forward? Is this good news or bad
> news for Crusade's chances?
Seeing that, if the new series is the same 5-year model, it will
eventually enter the Crusade timeframe, several possibilities open up,
all of which quickly turn into Story Ideas if pursued.
I'm afraid we're just gonna hafta Trust Joe on this one. ("Joe Is Our
Friend. Trust Joe"? Where'd that come from?!)
--
John W. Kennedy
(Working from my laptop)
Pål Are Nordal
>
> The point being that the Story itself doesn't flow - we have the first
> episode second last!
War Zone isn't the first episode. Racing the Night is.
War Zone is trash.
> I've watched my little list all the way through and it completely covers any
> problems and actually makes the show seem rather good.
That's assuming they don't drop the show in disgust after watching War Zone.
> The problem at the
> beginning was running The Long Road straight after War Zone - a story about
> dragons Before building up what Galen was all about didn't make sense. Nor
> does JMS's new ordering which makes No Sense ! (sorry JMS).
It's not new. It's how it was intended to start before TNT started
mucking it up.
webmaster
doesn't flow right , he has presented the perfect order of play if we are to
ever see more Crusade episodes made.
But as a DVD special edition box- set, I prefer my order with a couple of
those looped- dialogue bits deleted.
Nathan
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Carl N. Hoff
quite curious about the first, so I thought I'd throw this out one
more time. In short are there any plans to make the Crusade
scripts you had available at Bookface available to the new fans
Thanks,
Carl
Pål Are Nordal
>
> In short are there any plans to make the Crusade
> scripts you had available at Bookface available to the new fans
> this SciFi airing will draw?
Fiona Avery's unfilmed script can be bought from her at conventions.
That's about it.
Mac Breck
From: "Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:21 PM
Subject: Crusade uses jms broadcast order
> So the SciFi Channel asked me what order I'd like to air the series in,
since
> the folks at TNT kafuffled the airdates and schedule based on what I'd
> originally had in mind. The theory is, you start out with general
episodes to
> introduce the situation, characters and story, then you focus on
individual
> characters. The first five we shot, intended to produce this effect, got
> shoved to the back of the line and we then had to air the
individual-themed
> ones *first*...essentially inverting the order.
>
> So SFC asked me what the preferred author's order would be...and that's
how
> they've structured it, costume change be damned. Yes, there will be some
> dialogue glitches now, because we looped a few things to try and do least
> violence to the chronology of previously shot shows...
So you looped a few things in the last eight shows that were shot
The Well of Forever
The Long Road
War Zone
The Path of Sorrows
Patterns of the Soul
Ruling from the Tomb
The Rules of the Game
Appearances and Other Deceits
...to do the least damage to the chronology to the first five shows that
were shot...
The Needs of Earth
The Memory of War
Racing the Night
Visitors from Down the Street
Each Night I Dream of Home
?
So, there should be dialogue in the eight, that doesn't match up with what
the actors' lips, and is we look closely, we might be able to discern what
they actually said. Any good lip-readers out there???
> but from an overall
story
> perspective, this is the preferred order (as best I could remember it when
they
> called and asked).
>
> So here is the order in which the Crusade eps will be broadcast:
>
> Mon, April 9 8:00 PM CRUSADE RACING THE NIGHT
> Tue, April 10 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE NEEDS OF EARTH
> Wed, April 11 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE MEMORY OF WAR
> Thu, April 12 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE LONG ROAD
> Mon, April 16 8:00 PM CRUSADE VISITORS FROM DOWN THE STREET
> Tue, April 17 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE WELL OF FOREVER
> Wed, April 18 8:00 PM CRUSADE EACH NIGHT I DREAM OF HOME
> Thu, April 19 8:00 PM CRUSADE PATTERNS OF THE SOUL
> Mon, April 23 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE PATH OF SORROWS
> Tue, April 24 8:00 PM CRUSADE RULING FROM THE TOMB
> Wed, April 25 8:00 PM CRUSADE THE RULES OF THE GAME
> Thu, April 26 8:00 PM CRUSADE WAR ZONE
> Mon, April 30 8:00 PM CRUSADE APPEARANCES AND OTHER DECEITS
>
> jms
>
> (jms...@aol.com)
> (all message content (c) 2001 by synthetic worlds, ltd.,
> permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine
> and don't send me story ideas)
Even ignoring the uniform issue, that order still screws up the known dates.
"Racing the Night"
"The Needs of Earth"
"The Memory of War" - April 2267
"The Long Road" - Early March 2267
The EA Destroyer has been there a couple of months. January 2267 Drakh
attack + 2 months = Early March 2267.
"Visitors from Down the Street" - May 13, 2267
'05/13/2267 2:37PM EST' is *shown* at the beginning.
"The Well of Forever"
"Each Night I Dream of Home" - early to mid-July 2267
Takes place "a few months" after the nano-virus shield is discovered in "The
Memory of War", so it's early to mid-July 2267.
Gideon and Lochley meet for the 2nd time, except that this is the first time
they've met by *this* order.
"Patterns of the Soul"
"The Path of Sorrows"
"Ruling from the Tomb" - June 15, 2267
The date shown on the banner is June 15, 2267.
Gideon and Lochley meet for the 1st time.
This one *has* to go before "Each Night I Dream of Home" so that the
Gideon/Lochley arc makes sense.
"The Rules of the Game" - Fall 2267?
Gideon and Lochley meet for the 3rd time.
"War Zone" - Early January 2267
Takes place *immediately* after the Drakh attack.
"Appearances and Other Deceits"
Maybe "War Zone" and "Appearances and Other Deceits" could swap places, and
"War Zone" could be called an alternate first episode.
I can't remember how I got the dates for "The Memory of War" and "The Rules
of the Game" so I'm going to have to go back and re-watch them.
Mac
Mac Breck
From: "webmaster" <webm...@livefromspace.tv>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: Crusade uses jms broadcast order
> Actually, I've chanmged my mind on this. JMS is right. Even though the
story
> doesn't flow right , he has presented the perfect order of play if we are
to
> ever see more Crusade episodes made.
> But as a DVD special edition box- set, I prefer my order with a couple of
> those looped- dialogue bits deleted.
>
> Nathan
> www.livefromspace.tv Space News- Updated Daily
>
> "Pål Are Nordal" <a_b...@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:3ABA3AC8...@bigfoot.com...
> webmaster wrote:
> >
> > The point being that the Story itself doesn't flow - we have the first
> > episode second last!
>
> War Zone isn't the first episode. Racing the Night is.
>
> War Zone is trash.
Not all of it! War Zone has a lot of good Eilerson dialogue! David Allen
Brooks was really coming into his own at this point. The only really bad
parts are the fistfight scene at the beginning, the riot footage, Tim
Thomerson's "acting"
( See http://amazon.imdb.com/Name?Thomerson,+Tim )
, and Trace. The more I watch War Zone, the more I like it. If only the
bad parts could be cut out, and not leave obvious holes.
> > I've watched my little list all the way through and it completely covers
> any
> > problems and actually makes the show seem rather good.
>
> That's assuming they don't drop the show in disgust after watching War
Zone.
You're beginning to show a knee-jerk reaction to WZ. It *had* it's good
points, which, I wish, could somehow be salvaged.
> > The problem at the
> > beginning was running The Long Road straight after War Zone - a story
> about
> > dragons Before building up what Galen was all about didn't make sense.
Nor
> > does JMS's new ordering which makes No Sense ! (sorry JMS).
Yes it does! If you ignore the uniform change, it makes sense EXCEPT in TWO
SPOTS.
1. "Ruling from the Tomb" *has* to go before "Each Night I Dream of Home" so
that the Gideon/Lochley arc makes sense.
2. "War Zone" should NOT be shown before "Appearances and Other Deceits".
IF War Zone is shown at all, it should be shown last as an alternate first
episode. Personally, I wish they wouldn't show "War Zone" but I understand
that they have to. They bought the rights to air the whole 13 as a package.
I'd just have bought the rights to air the other 12.
> It's how it was intended to start before TNT started
> mucking it up.
True.
Mac
BRETNTRACI
>The date shown on the banner is June 15, 2267.
>Gideon and Lochley meet for the 1st time.
>This one *has* to go before "Each Night I Dream of Home" so that the
>Gideon/Lochley arc makes sense.
I disagree. Have you ever been so put off by someone that you were temporarly
not thinking. Lockley had just finished a round with Mars security. Having only
met Gideon in passing once or twice at most (ENIDoH and *possibly* at the time
of the flash back in RtN) it took her a second to recover. So she exchanges
pleasentries. OR She did remember him right off and because they are each
attracted to one another they both played to cool as if saying to themselves
"Act like you don't remeber him/her."
People are odd.
But the date is the date.
Iain Clark
"Mac Breck" <macb...@access995.com> wrote in message
news:002801c0b479$a7c32340$90d4...@cobweb.net...
> ...to do the least damage to the chronology to the first five shows that
> were shot...
>
> The Needs of Earth
> The Memory of War
> Racing the Night
> Visitors from Down the Street
> Each Night I Dream of Home
I thought it was more a case of looping the first five shot to accommodate
their new place in the running order - those are the ones which had already
been filmed and so needed "fixing." So for example Gideon's like to Lochley
in EDIDoH was looped to "Nice to see you again" to account for the fact that
a new first meeting for them had been filmed in RotG.
Mark Alexander Bertenshaw
news:002801c0b479$a7c32340>
> So, there should be dialogue in the eight, that doesn't match up with what
> the actors' lips, and is we look closely, we might be able to discern what
> they actually said. Any good lip-readers out there???
I think in this case, jms used that editing technique where they substitute
another piece of film over the point where the character is actually
speaking, so you just see a reaction shot from another character.
Mark Alexander Bertenshaw
Kingston upon Thames
UK
Mac Breck
From: "Kevin Munoz" <ke...@tesarta.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Subject: Re: Crusade uses jms broadcast order
>> The one I know about is when Lochley meets Gideon in "Each Night I Dream
>> of Home". It's supposed to be their first meeting, by the looped it to
>> say "Nice to see you again" or something like that.
>Okay. That's one of 2 or three I've heard about, and it actually isn't
>that bad. So thanks. That eases my concern a bit.
So which are the other ones you've heard about?
Mac
Kevin Munoz
<macb...@access995.com> wrote:
>
> >Okay. That's one of 2 or three I've heard about, and it actually isn't
> >that bad. So thanks. That eases my concern a bit.
>
>
> So which are the other ones you've heard about?
I don't know specifics - I've just been reading along and there have
been a few comments about different loops. I was hoping for a list
because I don't know what they are.
Kevin Munoz
Epona7
>forced on them was dumb, but....
I will slam TNT happily and heartily all the live long day for many things, but
I *liked* the black uniforms. They reminded me a little of sub crew unis. I
thought the gray ones were awful. They crew looked like a band of cater-waiters
in 'em.
Pax Vobiscum,
Donna
Andrew Timson
news:20010328101106...@ng-fc1.aol.com...
Could someone *please* tell me just what was wrong with the old EF uniforms?
The EF uniforms with the leather panel are my favorite uniform on the series
(with the Rangers one a distant second). I was really looking forward to
seeing them again, after that bad AoL business...
Andrew Timson
========================================
It's our last best hope for peace? We're *so* screwed.
> Pax Vobiscum,
> Donna
>
Iain Clark
"Andrew Timson" <Arseni...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Epona7" <epo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > >I know the uniform TNT
> > >forced on them was dumb, but....
> >
> > I will slam TNT happily and heartily all the live long day for many
> things, but
> > I *liked* the black uniforms. They reminded me a little of sub crew
unis.
> I
> > thought the gray ones were awful. They crew looked like a band of
> cater-waiters
> > in 'em.
>
> Could someone *please* tell me just what was wrong with the old EF
uniforms?
> The EF uniforms with the leather panel are my favorite uniform on the
series
> (with the Rangers one a distant second). I was really looking forward to
> seeing them again, after that bad AoL business...
>
I think it's a case of offering something new to the viewers and creating a
new "look" for the series, much as Trek does with alarming regularity.
BTW, in the opening dream sequence of Racing the Night we can see Gideon's
reflection and he's wearing the traditional Earth Force uniform there.
Mac Breck
From: "Iain Clark" <iainj...@dragonhaven.worldonline.co.uk>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Subject: Re: Crusade uses jms broadcast order
>
> "Andrew Timson" <Arseni...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3ac46bc9$0$42876$1dc6...@news.corecomm.net...
> BTW, in the opening dream sequence of Racing the Night we can see Gideon's
> reflection and he's wearing the traditional Earth Force uniform there.
Ditto, in "The Path of Sorrows" flashback.
Mac
Andrew Timson
OK, good. (I haven't seen Crusade yet, and have given three tapes to my
friend to tape it... why, oh *why* did it have to be 13 episodes instead of
12?)
> Mac
re: Trek uniform changes
Most of the uniform changes can be rationalized within the universe. The
only illogical changes have been the new uniforms in First Contact, and the
new combadges in Generations.
Lets see here... After 100 or so years, TNG pretty much *has* to have new
uniforms. But their costume designer wasn't very good, so they got new ones
in season 3 (the same deal applies for movie 1 vs. movie 2). DS9 got new
uniforms which really still exist at the same time as the old ones - its
just that an old station really calls more for the jumpsuit/mechanics-type
uniform versus the prissy starship ones, and they in theory could've been
around before. Some people by Generations decided that they liked the
jumpsuits better, so Starfleet allowed both. By Voyager Starfleet realized
that no one liked the old uniforms, so they trashed them in favor of the
jumpsuits all around.
Mac Breck
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> > From: "Iain Clark" <iainj...@dragonhaven.worldonline.co.uk>
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> > Subject: Re: Crusade uses jms broadcast order
> >
> >
> > >
> > > "Andrew Timson" <Arseni...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3ac46bc9$0$42876$1dc6...@news.corecomm.net...
> >
> > > BTW, in the opening dream sequence of Racing the Night we can see
> Gideon's
> > > reflection and he's wearing the traditional Earth Force uniform there.
> >
> > Ditto, in "The Path of Sorrows" flashback.
>
> OK, good. (I haven't seen Crusade yet, and have given three tapes to my
> friend to tape it
The path of Sorrows was an excellent episode. So was Racing the Night and
The Memory of War. They're my favorites.
>... why, oh *why* did it have to be 13 episodes instead of
> 12?)
To drive you crazy?
I'm going to tape them all, 1 episode per tape. That way I can easily watch
them in whatever order I darn well want. ;-)
Mac
Sten
> I think it's a case of offering something new to the viewers and creating a
> new "look" for the series, much as Trek does with alarming regularity.
Real life militaries do that too. I was in the USAF for eight
years, and the dress uniform changed twice, and the fatigue uniform
was replaced by BDUs. They can have as little reason behind them as
well - the dress uniform was changed because the original looked like
a blue Army uniform, and it was changed back because the new uniform
looked like an airline pilot's uniform.
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