from jms re: new series
Jms at B5
To those who've heard the news already, and those just now finding out...the
SciFi Channel today announced that we have a new Babylon 5 TV movie going into
production that will also serve as a pilot for a likely new series.
The movie (and the series) is under the heading of BABYLON 5: THE LEGEND OF THE
RANGERS. The specific title for the 2-hour movie's story is "To Live and Die
in Starlight."
There isn't much I can tell you about the story because we're kinda keeping the
details under wraps as much as possible for the time being. What little I can
say....
It's set in the B5 universe just under 3 years after the events of "Objects at
Rest." At this point there's one major character from the B5 universe in the
script (a fan favorite). Where B5 was a heavy drama with some adventure/action
elements, this one is a little more skewed toward adventure with underlying
drama (which is about what you'd expect from the Anla-Shok).
We've been sitting on this information for a while now...such that we're
already well into pre-production. We'll be shooting this movie around mid-May,
well in advance of any potential actor's strike (the script is done and so far
everybody likes it a LOT).
We've already got designs coming in on a new ship, and a new *kind* of
ship...and we're going to be getting more into Minbari aesthetics, technologies
and philosophy.
It's got some great characters, and it's a lot of fun.
I have other news to announce on other fronts...have since the end of the year,
in fact...but I'm still sitting on the details awaiting another press release
from another studio. What I *can* say is that I have a firm GO order to
executive produce a new series (nominally SF) that will go into production
after the potential SAG strike. When that's finally over, if the strike indeed
happens, we pull the trigger and go into principal photography and it's an
order for a full season's worth of episodes.
I can't give you any details right now on the subject, title, studio or
network. That will have to await the studio's release...so don't even ask.
As far as doing both projects at the same time is concerned...it's actually
quite common, as testified to by folks like John Wells and Aaron Sorkin and
David Kelly and others. So there won't be any conflict.
More later.
jms
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Tammy Smith
First, I find out that Peter Jurasik is going to be a guest at
AgamemCon, & now this! What a great day! :)
Tammy
Jessica L. Price
|
| It's set in the B5 universe just under 3 years after the events of
"Objects at
| Rest." At this point there's one major character from the B5 universe in
the
| script (a fan favorite).
Ooh, I hope it's Bester. ;)
Christian McNeill
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No..it's about Ranger so it has to be Marcus!
But my gut tells me that it's Garibaldi (it also tells me it's lunch time
but you don't need to know that)
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Tiger Hawk
or maybe Zathras, hey, maybe even Zathras!
Craig Meyer
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On 20 Mar 2001 20:02:36 -0700, "Jessica L. Price"
Jeffrey Gustafson
Others have suggested Bester, Marcus, and Garabaldi... Couldn't be
Bester (fugitive), or Marcus (frozen/dead for the next couple of
centuries). Garabaldi isn't a bad guess, but I would have to assume Mr.
Doyle might have other pursuits on his mind. So, who else? There is
Sheridan and Londo (leaders of big governments), good ol' Vir (busy
being ambassador) Lyta and G'kar (off and away doin' their own thing,
and anyway Lyta would be dead by season three, anyway), Dr. Franklin
(head of big important medical somethingorother on Terra)... who else is
there?
Ah, yes, Lennier. But he too, along with Lyta would be awfully close to
that big convention in the sky before the series has gone very far.
That leaves the best of The Rangers (or at least their leader),
Anla'shok Na, Delenn. But she would really only play a very minimal
supporting role as her character has better things to do than go
gallivanting around on some ship.
So we come back to probably the most logical choice, Lennier. Then
again, though, Lennier is off away from the Rangers battling his own
personal demons (bloody hamsters).
So who is this fan favorite? I'm hedging my bets on the Pak'mara from
Learning Curve.
Seriously, everyone loves the Pak'mara!
Imagine it...
---------------------
[Two rangers on bridge of something that eerily resembles The Loveboat]
RANGER 1: So, where's Bob at?
RANGER 2: He was still sleeping so I sent Bill the Pak'mara to go check
on him.
RANGER 1: YOU DID WHAT!?!
[Scene: As all the rangers run into a dark room one of them flips on a
light to reveal Bill the Pak'mara nealing over what was left of Bob.
Bill shrugs and says...]
BILL THE PAK'MARA (through translator): He looked dead to mee-ee!
[All the Rangers put their hands on their hips, smile, look at each
other and say...]
ALL (simultaneously): Oh, Bill!!!
[Cue laughter, applause, cheesy muzak; fade to black]
-----------------------
Running, and ducking,
-The Jeff
Sheridan:"So how did you find out all of this?"
Bester:"I'm a telepath. Work it out." <*>
Christian McNeill
"Jeffrey Gustafson" <Psico...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Fan favorite, eh?
>
> Others have suggested Bester, Marcus, and Garabaldi... Couldn't be
> Bester (fugitive), or Marcus (frozen/dead for the next couple of
> centuries). Garabaldi isn't a bad guess, but I would have to assume Mr.
> Doyle might have other pursuits on his mind. So, who else? There is
> Sheridan and Londo (leaders of big governments)
Londo is stuck on CP with his keeper. Sheridan will be too tied up in IA
matters .. as will Delenn.
> good ol' Vir (busy being ambassador),
He's a bit busy with matter at home... Besides it's a show about rangers...
an IA force... Centauri's aren't too popular with them ATM..
> Lyta and G'kar (off and away doin' their own thing,
> and anyway Lyta would be dead by season three, anyway),
It's possible that these two will be back by then.
>Dr. Franklin
> (head of big important medical somethingorother on Terra)... who else is
> there?
He's Stuck on Earth, and three years after that he won't be able to leave.
> Ah, yes, Lennier. But he too, along with Lyta would be awfully close to
> that big convention in the sky before the series has gone very far.
It's possible that Lennier may seek redemtion trough the Rangers. So this
is a good possibility.
> That leaves the best of The Rangers (or at least their leader),
> Anla'shok Na, Delenn. But she would really only play a very minimal
> supporting role as her character has better things to do than go
> gallivanting around on some ship.
What I said before.
> So we come back to probably the most logical choice, Lennier. Then
> again, though, Lennier is off away from the Rangers battling his own
> personal demons (bloody hamsters).
The likely choice is Lennier. But I would like to see Garibaldi back in
action.... But his Corporation does need to be closely watched if he is to
succeed.
Joseph DeMartino
Chris Franke. So I'm sure he'll be considered. I just hope he's available
when the time comes.
Joe
Joseph DeMartino
also be a regular on the series. Not necessarily. Sheridan was in "A Call
to Arms" but not "Crusade." And I wouldn't rule out Marcus. Since this is
a Ranger story it could easily contain a flashback or two to an early
training mission involving Marcus and one or more of the *new* characters.
If the "B5" character in the new pilot is NOT going to be a regular, I
wouldn't rule *anybody* out this side of Kosh and Lorien.
If it is, well the choices narrow considerably. Between the novels, "A Call
to Arms" and "Crusade" a lot of characters are locked into events that would
prevent their having much undocumented free time between 2265 and 2270
(assuming a five year arc again.) And as you noted, several characters are
off the table entirely by 2267. Franklin is still a possibility, if they
develop the nano-shield further and build him a nice secure lab/cabin
somewhere. <g> Garibaldi could appear every third or fourth episode either
by StellarCom from Mars or he could meet up with the Rangers during what are
probably frequent business trips to who-knows-where around the galaxy.
Lochley and Zack are still holding down the fort at B5, and the show will
probably visit the station from time to time. (Although I don't think
Lochley qualifies as a "fan favorite" - and I'm not so sure about Zack.)
I'd love to see more of Tessa Halloran, myself. The head of covert
intelligence for the IA *has* to work with the Rangers - and I suspect she's
a favorite with at least *one* segment of the audience. <g>
Zathras is fun, but I'm not sure I could handle him every week. A little
Zathras goes a long way. I'd think the part of his charm is that we *don't*
see him very often. Guest star? Absolutely. Regular? I frankly hope not.
Regards,
Joe
Jessica L. Price
|
| No..it's about Ranger so it has to be Marcus!
|
dead at that time. Ooohh....what about Lyta or G'Kar? They've gone off
adventuring...they could turn up.
Scott Tengelin
WOOHOO!!!!!
*freak out*
*dance around the room*
YEEHAW!!!!!
- Scott Tengelin
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Christian McNeill
I know.... I was just picking the least likely candidate... seeing as he's
still in cryo for at least another 15 years
Kerry Casey
Well, I was hoping for Marcus (he's a Ranger, after all), and then I
remembered he's in a cryogenic suspension chamber
(sob!)
Kerry
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Eliyahu
"Objects at
> Rest." At this point there's one major character from the B5 universe in
the
> script (a fan favorite).
Unless we suddenly gain access to the SciFi channel in my viewing area, I
won't get to see it. :-( <Sob!> Nevertheless, I'm hoping the returning
character will be Delenn. I miss watching Mira so much!
Thank you for giving us "old" fans something new about which we can
speculate... :-) I'll find a way to see it somehow...
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Very smart, not to go through the agony of trying to re-unite existing
Crusade members, etc. etc. Very good to just have a clean start.
Entil'zha, veni! In Valen's name!
- spoo
Dave Thomer
said it was a popular character from the B5 UNIVERSE, not necessarily from
B5 itself. Who else from Crusade qualifies as a fan favorite these days?
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Paul Harper
<chri...@quicknet.com.au> wrote:
>But my gut tells me that it's Garibaldi
Jerry said nothing about being in any B5 stuff when he was at the
Starfury convention last weekend.
He might have been told to keep quiet about it though, I suppose...
Paul.
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> You're assuming that the "fan favorite" who appears in the pilot film will
> also be a regular on the series. Not necessarily. Sheridan was in "A Call
> to Arms" but not "Crusade." And I wouldn't rule out Marcus. Since this is
> a Ranger story it could easily contain a flashback or two to an early
> training mission involving Marcus and one or more of the *new* characters.
Yes, but really? Is Marcus a "fan favourite" on your side of that
Atlantic puddle?
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Per Abrahamsen
> At this point there's one major character from the B5 universe in the
> script (a fan favorite).
Ah, a fan favorite. Thanks for narrowing it down. Among the major
characters, this rules out... this rules out... eh, who?
Peter B. Juul
> > At this point there's one major character from the B5 universe in the
> > script (a fan favorite).
>
> Ah, a fan favorite. Thanks for narrowing it down. Among the major
> characters, this rules out... this rules out... eh, who?
Marcus. Basically.
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| > Ah, a fan favorite. Thanks for narrowing it down. Among the major
| > characters, this rules out... this rules out... eh, who?
|
| Marcus. Basically.
|
Hush, you. Marcus qualifies as a fan favorite...at least a FEMALE fan
favorite. The only thing that rules him out is that he's dead.
SSmith1701
>The movie (and the series) is under the heading of BABYLON 5: THE LEGEND OF
>THE RANGERS. The specific title for the 2-hour movie's story is "To Live and
Die
>in Starlight."
>At this point there's one major character from the B5 universe in the
>script (a fan favorite).
I think it's Delenn. She's still Entil-Zha in 2265, right? How can you do a
story about the Rangers without the head Ranger? Delenn is certainly a "major
character" and a "fan favorite".
It's also intriguing to consider that the Drakh plague occurs three years into
this story, should it go to series. Some interesting implications there for
nailing down some "Crusade" story arcs.
Stephen
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Peter B. Juul
> I think it's Delenn. She's still Entil-Zha in 2265, right? How can you do a
> story about the Rangers without the head Ranger?
In much the same way that you can do a story about Starfleet without
the admiral.
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Andrew Swallow
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> Fan favorite, eh?
>
> Ah, yes, Lennier. But he too, along with Lyta would be awfully close to
> that big convention in the sky before the series has gone very far.
>
If they visit Babylon 5 Lochley could say hello.
Number 1 is now in charge of ISA Intelligence.
Talia may want a holiday from reading the news.
They may find Sinclair's hiding place.
Zack may wish to lend a PPG.
Corwin could be getting stir crazy.
Lorien may wish to give a bit of guidance.
Kosh could return via Lyta.
The ISN Reporter (Maggie Egan) may wish to do a story on the Rangers.
Ta'lon may finally get to kill someone.
Dr Lillian Hobbes may have to discover a cure.
Psi Cop Lauren Ashley may wish to 'ask' the Rangers where Lyta is.
Andrew Swallow
Moyra J. Bligh
<chri...@quicknet.com.au> wrote:
>"Jessica L. Price" <jessic...@students.wisc.edu> wrote in message
>news:9995k0$kp2$1...@news.doit.wisc.edu...
>> | It's set in the B5 universe just under 3 years after the events of
>> "Objects at
>> | Rest." At this point there's one major character from the B5 universe
>in
>> the
>> | script (a fan favorite).
>>
>> Ooh, I hope it's Bester. ;)
>
>No..it's about Ranger so it has to be Marcus!
He's a Rangersickle, so I very much doubt that..
>But my gut tells me that it's Garibaldi (it also tells me it's lunch time
>but you don't need to know that)
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it's "Delenn", she is afterall the
head of the Rangers.
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Hans Torm
> and anyway Lyta would be dead by season three, anyway)
Wouldn't she be dead sooner than that? I remember the TP war as beeing from
64-65. And this series would start in 65.
> Ah, yes, Lennier. But he too, along with Lyta would be awfully close to
> that big convention in the sky before the series has gone very far.
Do we have a death date on Lennier yet? Ive read NEARLY everything that is,
but i don't remeber having seen his death date.
> That leaves the best of The Rangers (or at least their leader),
> Anla'shok Na, Delenn. But she would really only play a very minimal
> supporting role as her character has better things to do than go
> gallivanting around on some ship.
I would not be so shure about that. She seems like the prime candidate to
me.
> So we come back to probably the most logical choice, Lennier. Then
> again, though, Lennier is off away from the Rangers battling his own
> personal demons (bloody hamsters).
Just dawned on me. This film could be about Lennirs death. (Or rather have
that as a part of the plot...) The sutitle actually seems to play well in to
that teory: "To Live and Die in Starlight."
- Hans Torm
A Reys
for ACtA should be committed to an asylum somewhere. URG! Techno music
during a freagin battle scene???
Areys
Per Abrahamsen
> Per Abrahamsen <abr...@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
>
> > > At this point there's one major character from the B5 universe in the
> > > script (a fan favorite).
> >
> > Ah, a fan favorite. Thanks for narrowing it down. Among the major
> > characters, this rules out... this rules out... eh, who?
>
> Marcus. Basically.
I believe he is popular among the female viewers. For much the same
reason 7-of-9 is popular among the male viewers of Voyager.
If I should list major characters _I_ didn't care for, it would also
include Sheridan, Franklin, Talia and Lyta, but I suspect each of
those also have a strong fan following.
Hans Torm
"Peter B. Juul" <pb...@enzym.rnd.uni-c.dk> wrote in message
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> Per Abrahamsen <abr...@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
>
> > > At this point there's one major character from the B5 universe in the
> > > script (a fan favorite).
> >
> > Ah, a fan favorite. Thanks for narrowing it down. Among the major
> > characters, this rules out... this rules out... eh, who?
>
> Marcus. Basically.
Hey, whats wrong with Marcus? I mean, aside from being dead?...
:o)
- Hans Torm
Sham Gardner
> On 20 Mar 2001 20:15:22 -0700, "Christian McNeill"
> <chri...@quicknet.com.au> wrote:
>>But my gut tells me that it's Garibaldi
> Jerry said nothing about being in any B5 stuff when he was at the
> Starfury convention last weekend.
> He might have been told to keep quiet about it though, I suppose...
Well he did say somethign along the lines of "Please, Joe, let me be in it".
But, youre right, that's hardly any sort of confirmation.
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Byron? ;)
Smeesneph
>said it was a popular character from the B5 UNIVERSE, not necessarily from
>B5 itself. Who else from Crusade qualifies as a fan favorite these days?
It would be good to see more of Galen (I was beginning to like him before
Crusade got cancelled) but I have a feeling that it could be Garibaldi.
You never know - if they could work something out it may even be Ivanova....
Claudia Mastroianni
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>reason 7-of-9 is popular among the male viewers of Voyager.
While I cannot speak for the general population of Voyager viewers, I
would like to note that I, and many others it seems, think Seven is a
great character (and Ryan a great actress for that matter) and it has
nothing to do with appearance. Various TV magazines may be hung up on this
"borg babe" thing (and frankly it's pissing me off) - but the character
itself has a lot of merit IMO.
As for Marcus, I'm pretty much neutral in that regard. While the addition of
a ranger to the regular cast (for a while anyway) was a good thing,
Marcus isn't really my "kind" of character...
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Joseph DeMartino
Are you KIDDING? Marcus is a *huge* fan favorite over here. To adapt an
old Cary Grant line (another transplant who did OK on this side of the
Pond), "Women wanted him; men wanted to be him." (In the case of Marcus it
was mostly the pike thing and the fact that he got as close as he did to
boffing Susan. <g>)
You should have heard the wailing and gnashing of teeth (mostly female, I
must say, the men were more stoic) around here when Marcus died and JMS made
it clear he wasn't coming back.
Regards,
Joe
Scott Tengelin
while. Dang, me and my brother were speculating last night, and I just stopped
for a second and said "Do you realize what we're doing? We're speculating on
the next B5 series!" Just the very idea got me excited!
Andrew Swallow wrote:
> They may find Sinclair's hiding place.
On that subject, did Sinclair ever return back from the past, after War
Without End?
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Christian McNeill <chri...@quicknet.com.au> wrote:
>"Jessica L. Price" <jessic...@students.wisc.edu> wrote in message
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>> | It's set in the B5 universe just under 3 years after the events of
>> "Objects at
>in
>> the
>> | script (a fan favorite).
>>
>
>No..it's about Ranger so it has to be Marcus!
>
>but you don't need to know that)
No one's mentioned the obvious yet.
Whether the obvious is right might depend partly on whether JMS or
the real person who played the obvious holds a grudge.
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And tell the other girls and boys Not to meddle with my toys."
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Scott Tengelin
> |
> | No..it's about Ranger so it has to be Marcus!
> |
> It can't be. It takes place after Objects at Rest, and Marcus was already
> dead at that time. Ooohh....what about Lyta or G'Kar? They've gone off
> adventuring...they could turn up.
Marcus wasn't dead. Ivanova had him frozen until they could find a way to
reverse the effects of that machine, from what I hear.
Joseph DeMartino
Call to Arms" refer to it as "the recent telepath crisis" in 2267?
And no, I haven't seen a date for Lennier's fate, only that is takes place
during the Teep Crisis - whenever exactly that is. (I'm not sure why
everybody assumes that Lyta will get back in 2264, drop her bags, and
immediately launch a full-scale war against PsiCorps. She may not *get*
back in 2264 -may she and G'Kar are delayed. She may spend a year or two
planning how to *use* the force Garibaldi is supposed to be putting together
for her. And the war may not last the one to two years everybody seems to
think it will. It could last days or weeks depending on exactly what she
does.)
Regards,
Joe
Joseph DeMartino
Hey, you never heard of "flashbacks." JMS only said that a "fan favorite"
would be in the *pilot*. He never said this character would be a regular in
the new series. If the story is told with flashbacks Marcus could be a
*major* character.
But I'm betting on Garibaldi. <g> I think Jerry Doyle's silence at that
convention means nothing at all. If the information was embargoed for JMS
it was embargoed for Jerry, and if there are already contracts signed they
probably include a clause banning comments prior to the official
announcement.
Regards,
Joe
Joseph DeMartino
> characters, this rules out... this rules out... eh, who?
Lochley. <g>
And Byron if he weren't already toast.
Joe
Joseph DeMartino
Flashbacks. <g>
Lochley
Joe
Simo Aaltonen
>It can't be. It takes place after Objects at Rest, and Marcus was already
>dead at that time. Ooohh....what about Lyta or G'Kar? They've gone off
>adventuring...they could turn up.
It could be Marcus, actually. All we know is that at the end of Object at
Rest, he was still in cryo, and that in Sleeping in Light they're
toasting him as an "absent friend". This doesn't mean he was still in
cryo at that time. The end credits show him that way, but that's not
necessarily the situation at the time of SiL. Note that we saw other dead
characters, like G'Kar and Londo, in the final credits, and they had already
passed on by that time. So it's possible they revived Marcus after OaR,
and then he either died or had to be refrozen before SiL.
Unless one of the short stories in Amazing Stories or the B5 Magazine
contradict my theory, in which case forget everything I just said. :)
-Simo Aaltonen-
Pål Are Nordal
>
> Unless one of the short stories in Amazing Stories or the B5 Magazine
> contradict my theory, in which case forget everything I just said. :)
It does.
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Mike Hennebry
Mike Hennebry <henn...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote:
>No one's mentioned the obvious yet.
>Whether the obvious is right might depend partly on whether JMS or
>the real person who played the obvious holds a grudge.
Oops. The "obvious" didn't become head Ranger until after Sheridan's
death. So Ivanova wasn't as obvious as I'd thought.
Jessica L. Price
Simo Aaltonen <simo...@itu.st.jyu.fi> wrote in message
news:slrn9bhmjl....@itu.st.jyu.fi...
| On 20 Mar 2001 22:08:03 -0700, Jessica L. Price wrote:
| >It can't be. It takes place after Objects at Rest, and Marcus was
already
| >dead at that time. Ooohh....what about Lyta or G'Kar? They've gone off
| >adventuring...they could turn up.
|
| It could be Marcus, actually. All we know is that at the end of Object at
| Rest, he was still in cryo, and that in Sleeping in Light they're
| toasting him as an "absent friend". This doesn't mean he was still in
| cryo at that time. The end credits show him that way, but that's not
| necessarily the situation at the time of SiL. Note that we saw other dead
| characters, like G'Kar and Londo, in the final credits, and they had
already
| passed on by that time. So it's possible they revived Marcus after OaR,
| and then he either died or had to be refrozen before SiL
Yes, but don't you think, if Marcus had been revived, that Ivanova would
have acted a little differently in SiL?
|
Jessica L. Price
| I believe he is popular among the female viewers. For much the same
| reason 7-of-9 is popular among the male viewers of Voyager.
I strongly object to that comparison. Marcus had much more than good looks.
Unlike Seven, he was charming, erudite, well-read, a good fighter...and had
a magnificent...pike.
|
| If I should list major characters _I_ didn't care for, it would also
| include Sheridan, Franklin, Talia and Lyta, but I suspect each of
| those also have a strong fan following.
I don't mind Sheridan, but Franklin and Lyta got on my nerves. I liked
Talia though.
|
Jessica L. Price
| Byron (okay, maybe not a major character, still definately ruled
| out.)
Personally, I LIKED Byron.
Tammy Smith
things. Hey, JMS, can you tell us who the B5 cast-member in the film
*is* yet?
Tammy
Joseph DeMartino
reverse the effects of that machine, from what I hear. <
But he's still *in* cold storage in 2281, so he isn't available for a series
or movie that takes place in 2265. (We see this at the end of "Sleeping in
Light.")
Regards,
Joe
Joseph DeMartino
Without End? <
Not in the series or any of the books. Originally it was flatly stated that
Valen died around 100 years after the ending the 13th century Shadow War.
Later JMS mentioned conflicting Minbari traditions about his end, and the
fact that he has no tomb. This has led to endless speculation about going
beyond the Rim or returning to the 23rd century. I *doubt* he returned. It
violates the whole notion of the "closed circle" and opens up even *more*
potential time paradoxes. Whatever happened to Sinclair/Valen, it happened
in the 13th century.
Regards,
Joe
Joseph DeMartino
Oh, *you're* the one. <g>
Joe
Jon Niehof
Uh, she's in little jars by this point, isn't she?
> They may find Sinclair's hiding place.
He has no existence post-2260
> Lorien may wish to give a bit of guidance.
I doubt it--if he came back, then the Vorlons and Shadows probably would as
well.
> Kosh could return via Lyta.
Wouldn't Lyta count as a fan fave?
The rest are pretty plausible.
--Jon, N9RUJ jnie...@calvin.edu www.calvin.edu/~jnieho38
My love is medicine
Feeds the sick
Heals the poor
Turns up the volume on the blind
--Over the Rhine
Lisa Coulter
>
>In article <%0Vt6.86$606....@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net>,
>Christian McNeill <chri...@quicknet.com.au> wrote:
>>"Jessica L. Price" <jessic...@students.wisc.edu> wrote in message
>>news:9995k0$kp2$1...@news.doit.wisc.edu...
>>> | It's set in the B5 universe just under 3 years after the events of
>>> "Objects at
>>> | Rest." At this point there's one major character from the B5 universe
>>in
>>> the
>>> | script (a fan favorite).
>>>
>>> Ooh, I hope it's Bester. ;)
>>
>>No..it's about Ranger so it has to be Marcus!
>>
>>But my gut tells me that it's Garibaldi (it also tells me it's lunch time
>>but you don't need to know that)
>
>No one's mentioned the obvious yet.
>Whether the obvious is right might depend partly on whether JMS or
>the real person who played the obvious holds a grudge.
>
be committed to EA. OTOH, the fact that she is made head of the Rangers may
contradict this.
My guess is Lenneir. He wants to redeem himself after all, and is a Ranger. He
may even come in as someone who helps occasionally, since he is in a
self-imposed exile. This could be interesting.
As for Jason Carter, couldn't Marcus have a twin, cousin, something? (Please oh
please let that not be a story idea - after all things like that have happened
before on other shows (ST TNG with Yar) and everyone wants him back.
Lisa
Douglas Nicol
Douglas Nicol
Dave Thomer <da...@notnews.org> wrote in message
news:999n4f$too$1...@newssvr06-en0.news.prodigy.com...
> Why do I have a hunch it's gonna wind up being Galen? After all, JMS only
> said it was a popular character from the B5 UNIVERSE, not necessarily from
> B5 itself. Who else from Crusade qualifies as a fan favorite these days?
>
> --
> Dave Thomer
> This Is Not News - www.notnews.org
> Philosophy, public affairs, and pop culture
>
>
>
Joseph DeMartino
Marcus had no living relatives by the time he came to Babylon 5. His only
brother had been a Ranger. It was his death that prompted Marcus to join
the group. (Although for some reason Marcus did not cut an
identity-concealing mask from his dead brother's vest. <g>)
Regards,
Joe
Lisa Coulter
>
>
>| Byron (okay, maybe not a major character, still definately ruled
>| out.)
>
>Personally, I LIKED Byron.
>
>
>
Lisa
Lisa Coulter
I really liked Sheridan! Franklin and Lyta too, though if I had to pick it
wouldn't be Franklin...seems unlikely since it isn't about a medical crisis,
unlike Crusade.
Lisa
Kurt Reisler
A fan favorite, eh?
I can see it now, in a new ranger ship, the captain barks out
"We need to replace the framis drive in engine bay 5".
and we see the lighting tech first class from SiL slide out from behind
a console, grab his tool kit and head for the problem.
For the humor impaired B-)
--
Kurt Reisler (UNIX SIG Folded Chair, DECUS US Chapter)
Captain, UNISIG International Luge Team
Only a guest at k...@umbc.edu
<*> Moderation is for monks, and some news groups <*>
Jussi Leinonen
Must be Zarg. ;)
Jussi 'Zaha' Leinonen
Scott Tengelin
- Scott Tengelin
slyf...@yahoo.com
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/slyfeind
Dirk A. Loedding
rbl...@erols.com (Ryan Bloom) wrote:
>Will Christopher Franke be considered as the film's lovable music man?
Gawd, I sure as hell hope so!!!
--
Thought for the day:
Tamarian winner notification: Vanna and Pat, clapping.
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Dirk A. Loedding <*> ju...@america.net |
+------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Dirk A. Loedding
jms...@aol.com (Jms at B5) wrote:
>Well, that's at least ONE weight off my chest....
[snip]
Outstanding!!
--
Thought for the day:
Cartoon Physics: Everything falls faster than an anvil.
Dirk A. Loedding
>Well, that's at least ONE weight off my chest....
[snip]
Outstanding!
--
Mike Ventrella
reverse the effects of that machine, from what I hear.>>
Marcus should remain dead just like the Beatles shouldn't get back together.
Joseph DeMartino
death. Don't you get the papers out where you live? <g>
Joe
Mac Breck
From: "Andrew Swallow" <andrew_m...@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: from jms re: new series
> "Jeffrey Gustafson" <Psico...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:24090-3AB...@storefull-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> > Fan favorite, eh?
> >
> [snip]>
> > Ah, yes, Lennier. But he too, along with Lyta would be awfully close to
> > that big convention in the sky before the series has gone very far.
> >
> There is also Captain Susan Ivanova and her new ship.
> If they visit Babylon 5 Lochley could say hello.
> Number 1 is now in charge of ISA Intelligence.
> Talia may want a holiday from reading the news.
> They may find Sinclair's hiding place.
> Zack may wish to lend a PPG.
> Corwin could be getting stir crazy.
> Lorien may wish to give a bit of guidance.
> Kosh could return via Lyta.
> The ISN Reporter (Maggie Egan) may wish to do a story on the Rangers.
> Ta'lon may finally get to kill someone.
> Dr Lillian Hobbes may have to discover a cure.
> Psi Cop Lauren Ashley may wish to 'ask' the Rangers where Lyta is.
I HOPE it's CC as Ivanova, *and* they cover the events of "Hidden Agendas"
!!!!! I want to SEE that.
Mac
Mac Breck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Per Abrahamsen" <abr...@dina.kvl.dk>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: from jms re: new series
> pb...@enzym.rnd.uni-c.dk (Peter B. Juul) writes:
>
> > Per Abrahamsen <abr...@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
> >
> > > > At this point there's one major character from the B5 universe in
the
> > > > script (a fan favorite).
> > >
> > > Ah, a fan favorite. Thanks for narrowing it down. Among the major
> > > characters, this rules out... this rules out... eh, who?
> >
> > Marcus. Basically.
>
> I believe he is popular among the female viewers. For much the same
> reason 7-of-9 is popular among the male viewers of Voyager.
>
> If I should list major characters _I_ didn't care for, it would also
> include Sheridan, Franklin, Talia and Lyta, but I suspect each of
> those also have a strong fan following.
>
I'd bet that Marcus was also popular with male viewers. I viewed him as an
alright guy, a straight shooter, somebody to root for.
Mac
Mac Breck
From: "Dave Thomer" <da...@notnews.org>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: from jms re: new series
> Why do I have a hunch it's gonna wind up being Galen?
> After all, JMS only
> said it was a popular character from the B5 UNIVERSE, not necessarily from
> B5 itself.
True, and so Galen is also an excellent choice.
> Who else from Crusade qualifies as a fan favorite these days?
For me:
Eilerson
Dureena
Matheson
Mac
Mac Breck
From: "Lisa Coulter" <lisa_c...@my-deja.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: from jms re: new series
He looked like he was straight out of some blasted romance novel or
something. Too plain vanilla.
Mac
John
"Jms at B5" <jms...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010320213139...@ng-mh1.aol.com...
(SNIP)
>
> It's set in the B5 universe just under 3 years after the events of
"Objects at
> Rest." At this point there's one major character from the B5 universe in
the
> script (a fan favorite). Where B5 was a heavy drama with some
adventure/action
> elements, this one is a little more skewed toward adventure with
underlying
> drama (which is about what you'd expect from the Anla-Shok).
So, and I don't expect an answer to this, do we get to see any part of
Lyta's and G-Kar's Excellent Adventure?
John
Iain Rae
"Hans Torm" <hf...@hotmail.com> writes:
> iQBVAwUBOrjLGT6fp/cCu9CRAQFZTAIApgWwc30BpNA42UlzfzRghCDUZCzlzxr0
>
> iB5KcmsYvaQq29UcJB1jy5fceb2sEzJ7MPU8Gfh63oSANrzl+EUeDQ==
>
> =tD5o
>Xref: kane.dcs.ed.ac.uk rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated:150515
>
>
>"Peter B. Juul" <pb...@enzym.rnd.uni-c.dk> wrote in message
>news:m37l1jj...@enzym.rnd.uni-c.dk...
>> Per Abrahamsen <abr...@dina.kvl.dk> writes:
>>
>> > > At this point there's one major character from the B5 universe in the
>> > > script (a fan favorite).
>> >
>> > characters, this rules out... this rules out... eh, who?
>>
>> Marcus. Basically.
>
>
>:o)
eeee's not dead eee's just restin....
John
women.
"Kim A. Sommer" <kaso...@sherrill.kiva.net> wrote in message
news:99afoe$j67$1...@sherrill.kiva.net...
> And against all hope I would be rooting for Ivanova.
>
> My devalued 2 Centauri coins of dubious worth,
> Kim
>
>
>
> --
> -------
> Kim A. Sommer
> Humans do it Better! The Open Directory Project - http://dmoz.org
>
>
Martin Vanek
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>
> | Byron (okay, maybe not a major character, still definately ruled
> | out.)
>
> Personally, I LIKED Byron.
>
better.
Brandon Wolgast
shot at his ship, has been drifting in hyperspace, and right as the new
series starts, he shows up to do some of his crazy-Keffer-stuff! I mean,
name a larger fan favorite than Keffer? I didn't think you could. =)
Brandon
> Why do I have a hunch it's gonna wind up being Galen? After all, JMS only
> said it was a popular character from the B5 UNIVERSE, not necessarily from
> B5 itself. Who else from Crusade qualifies as a fan favorite these days?
Scott Tilson
Already, I really like the concept for a show. Using the Rangers really give the
series a chance to move, to explore the B5 worlds and cultures. And it provides
some of the advantages of an anthology series; with each new problem, race, or
world there can be a complete story of unique character(s) and insights into ways
of thinking. It let's the writer possibly visit the familiar B5 places and people,
but frees them to break new ground.
That title, "To Live and Die in Starlight." Beautiful! The poetry that only SF
can really live up to.
Not expecting even a hint, but... that "new series (nominally SF)" wouldn't be
related in any way to the one you were once going to do with Chris Carter?
Congrats on the numerous successes! This is even more good news, because the best
tv SF writers are going to have more opportunities to shine. I'm hoping to see
some unexpected, but well known, SF names pop up as ep writers.
scott tilson.
--------------------
"Sequential Art" column at http://www.sfsite.com
March: _Transmetropolitan_, _Aria_, & picks from Greg Bear.
Per Abrahamsen
> I strongly object to that comparison. Marcus had much more than good looks.
> Unlike Seven,
_Of course_, the only reason I would watch 7-of-9 is her sublime
acting and the deep multi-layered characterization. Any impure
thoughts are only in my mind.
Eh, I don't think that came out quite right...
> he was charming, erudite, well-read, a good fighter...and had a
> magnificent...pike.
*If* I had to be totally honest, I would have had to admit that a good
part of my dislike of Marcus is probably due to, ahem, pike envy...
But, luckily, I don't have to be totally honest, so *of course* pike
envy has nothing to do with it!! How dare you even suggest it!!!
What? You didn't? Well, forget it.... please.
> I don't mind Sheridan, but Franklin and Lyta got on my nerves. I liked
> Talia though.
Well, I don't mind Sheridan either, and Talia had some interesting
aspects. However, there is a long way from that to the total awe I
feel for all of the four major alien ambassadors, or my deep
admiration of the the two main alien aides, or Sinclair, Garibaldi and
Ivanova.
Andrew Swallow
(Mike Hennebry) writes:
[snip]
>
>No one's mentioned the obvious yet.
>Whether the obvious is right might depend partly on whether JMS or
>the real person who played the obvious holds a grudge.
>
Not necessary. The villain may wish to torture the character
before killing them. Say roasting them over a fire with real
flames. 'Unfortunately' it has to be the actor, rather than a
body double, because the character says a great one liner.
Andrew Swallow
Andrew Swallow
writes:
>
>> They may find Sinclair's hiding place.
>
>On that subject, did Sinclair ever return back from the past, after War
>Without End?
>
Not yet.
Andrew Swallow
Andrew Swallow
Niehof <jnie...@Calvin.EDU> writes:
>
>> Talia may want a holiday from reading the news.
>Uh, she's in little jars by this point, isn't she?
We do not know. Everything is ambiguous, she could be
dead or hiding, possibly under a different name.
>
>> They may find Sinclair's hiding place.
>He has no existence post-2260
Sinclair/Valen is missing. He has access to a time
machine and stasis units.
>
>> Lorien may wish to give a bit of guidance.
>I doubt it--if he came back, then the Vorlons and Shadows probably would as
>well.
Lorien came back for 'Sleeping in Light', what has
been done once can happen twice.
>
>> Kosh could return via Lyta.
>Wouldn't Lyta count as a fan fave?
Very definitely. However, other people had already
suggested her.
>
>The rest are pretty plausible.
>
>--J
Timothy A. McDaniel
I'm a guy. I'm gay. I like long hair. I'd rather see the Daggit
from _Battlestar Galaxica_ than That Hideous Teep. Burning's just too
good for some fictional characters.
Grafitti I want to see: "Forget Byron!"
--
Tim McDaniel is tm...@jump.net; if that fail,
tm...@us.ibm.com is my work account.
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up to and including this sig!" -- Jukka....@hut.fi (Jukka Korpela)
Andrew Swallow
>
>As far as doing both projects at the same time is concerned...it's actually
>quite common, as testified to by folks like John Wells and Aaron Sorkin and
>David Kelly and others. So there won't be any conflict.
>
Did they try to write all the scripts as well?
Andrew Swallow
Joseph DeMartino
the character says a great one liner. <
"Is it hot in here, or is it me?"
(Sorry, old Joan of Arc joke)
Joe
Joseph DeMartino
the "Crusade" Writers Bible that's when the Teep War starts. The fighting
is over by 2265, which is when the pilot for "Rangers" takes place.
Regards,
Joe
Joseph DeMartino
What we saw in Season 5 *wasn't* the Telepath War. It was only the seed of
that war.
But you're right to hate Byron. <g>
Regards,
Joe
Chris Schumacher
<Joseph-D...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> couldn't Marcus have a twin, cousin, something? <
>
>Marcus had no living relatives by the time he came to Babylon 5. His only
>brother had been a Ranger. It was his death that prompted Marcus to join
>the group. (Although for some reason Marcus did not cut an
>identity-concealing mask from his dead brother's vest. <g>)
Yeah, a twin brother; who works in a Chinese restaurant, and yells
"Eat your f-ing rice!"
Oh, wait, that was somebody else.
-==Kensu==-
10 purple Drazi points to anyone who gets the reference.
Chris Schumacher
<jessic...@students.wisc.edu> wrote:
>| I believe he is popular among the female viewers. For much the same
>| reason 7-of-9 is popular among the male viewers of Voyager.
>
>I strongly object to that comparison. Marcus had much more than good looks.
>Unlike Seven, he was charming, erudite, well-read, a good fighter...and had
>a magnificent...pike.
Seven is brilliant, technically adept, completely rational, and has a
very dry sense of humor. Personally, the looks were the last thing I
liked about her character. (yeah, silly me, I don't prefer blondes or
women with big...uh...eyes.)
-==Kensu==-
Claudia Mastroianni
: As for Jason Carter, couldn't Marcus have a twin, cousin, something? (Please oh
: please let that not be a story idea - after all things like that have happened
: before on other shows (ST TNG with Yar) and everyone wants him back.
That last is definitely an overstatement.
Claudia
--
Do not underestimate the power of a drunk man with climbing gear. -- kemiller
Sten
> As far as doing both projects at the same time is concerned...it's actually
> quite common, as testified to by folks like John Wells and Aaron Sorkin and
> David Kelly and others. So there won't be any conflict.
But have any of them been writing three monthly comics at the
same time as well? ;) At any rate, this is great news!
--
Either you can say I'm for Open Source, open standards, or I'm against
standards. Either you can say I'm for giving customers and communities
a choice or I'm against giving customers and communities a choice.
- Sam Palmisano, IBM President and COO at LinuxWorld Expo 2001
Lisa Coulter
>
>>Why do I have a hunch it's gonna wind up being Galen? After all, JMS only
>>said it was a popular character from the B5 UNIVERSE, not necessarily from
>>B5 itself. Who else from Crusade qualifies as a fan favorite these days?
>
>Crusade got cancelled) but I have a feeling that it could be Garibaldi.
>
>You never know - if they could work something out it may even be Ivanova....
>
OK, might as well put in my vote since it's *not* going to happen (*sniff*)
Sheridan and Delenn. :-)
Lisa
Jms at B5
>
As Paul noted, the Beatles cannot get back together again as long as John
stubbornly remains dead....
jms
(jms...@aol.com)
(all message content (c) 2001 by synthetic worlds, ltd.,
permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine
and don't send me story ideas)
Eliyahu
"Scott Tilson" <scott....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3AB94DAC...@sympatico.ca...
> Great news!
>
> Already, I really like the concept for a show. Using the Rangers really
give the
> series a chance to move, to explore the B5 worlds and cultures. And it
provides
> some of the advantages of an anthology series; with each new problem,
race, or
> world there can be a complete story of unique character(s) and insights
into ways
> of thinking. It let's the writer possibly visit the familiar B5 places
and people,
> but frees them to break new ground.
>
week" series. I've become spoiled for that after 5 years of a developing
story arc.
--
Eliyahu Rooff
www.geocities.com/Area51/Underworld/8096/HomePage.htm
RSG Rollcall http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/rooffe.htm
Joe Carothers
Court Justice so we can get them to rule in our favor?
Joe
"Claudia Mastroianni" <cma...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote in message
news:99ajgl$7rj$1...@news.fas.harvard.edu...
> Kim A. Sommer <kaso...@sherrill.kiva.net> wrote:
> : And against all hope I would be rooting for Ivanova.
>
> : My devalued 2 Centauri coins of dubious worth,
> : Kim
>
> Glad I'm not the only one. But I'm not pretending it's really a
possibility.
>
> Claudia
> --
> Learn to pretend there's more than love that matters
>
Joe Carothers
box?
Joe (not Strazinski)
Dave Thomer
news:20010321192839...@nso-ff.news.cs.com...
Sorkin and Kelley do -- although Kelley usually gets heavily involved with a
series for a year or two, then leaves it in the hands of other writers.
(And when Sorkin was doing Sports Night and West Wing, he was often writing
up to, including and past the last minute, which might not work in a
meticulously-planned JMS arc-bearing series.) Also, I don't think either
Sorkin or Kelley take on the total creative burden that JMS did with B5 -- a
lot of creative and directorial and presumably casting decisions on West
Wing, say, get handled by Schlamme or Wells. Sorkin is mainly The Guy That
Writes The Words. It sounded like that was the route JMS might have been
planning to go with Jeremiah, but if he's doing a B5 series with Netter,
where JMS and Netter each have their areas of expertise and leave each other
alone, I wonder how hard JMS is going to be able to push himself. We'll
see -- no matter what, I'm looking forward to it.
--
Dave Thomer
This Is Not News - www.notnews.org
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