Jeph Loeb...
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on the x-books right now?
--Craig
Vam...@plains.uwyo.edu
Blaze
> Does anyone else think that Jeph Loeb (cable, x-man) is the best writer
> on the x-books right now?
no, but he's got my vote as best _new_ writer for a loooong time. x-man's
completely on the fringe of alter-x continuity right now, but it's still
one of my two favorite titles from the whole x-over.
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Jacob W Michaels
: > Does anyone else think that Jeph Loeb (cable, x-man) is the best writer
: > on the x-books right now?
: no, but he's got my vote as best _new_ writer for a loooong time. x-man's
: completely on the fringe of alter-x continuity right now, but it's still
: one of my two favorite titles from the whole x-over.
What he said. Fabe's run on New Warriors was wonderful and so far Scott
is showing his best work on GenX. Loeb has impressed me so far though.
I really really dislike Cable a lot. However, I have bought some of the
latest issues before legionquest and enjoyed them. I assume this would
be because of the writing and the characters (guest stars, and villians)
Loeb used. I also liked the art as well.
Jacob Keeper of the Hellions Flame
Paul O'Brien
>Does anyone else think that Jeph Loeb (cable, x-man) is the best writer
>on the x-books right now?
Depends what you mean. The best writer (for my money) currently
working on the X-books is Warren Ellis, but you wouldn't guess it
from his work on Excalibur. The best writing currently being done
on an X-book is a toss-up between Lobdell on Generation Next and
Loeb on X-Man.
Paul O'Brien
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Nathan
: vam...@UWYO.EDU (DEATH WARMED OVER) writes:
: >Does anyone else think that Jeph Loeb (cable, x-man) is the best writer
: >on the x-books right now?
: Depends what you mean. The best writer (for my money) currently
: working on the X-books is Warren Ellis, but you wouldn't guess it
: from his work on Excalibur. The best writing currently being done
: on an X-book is a toss-up between Lobdell on Generation Next and
: Loeb on X-Man.
Well, Niceiza and Lobdell have seniority, but dinos regularly
gripe about those two... Ellis really needs to get together on Excalibur.
Poor Moore is writing X-Factor, which most everyone has turned their
backs on... and Loeb writes Cable. Everyone hates Cable. (And X-Man,
sorry). So I guess Lobdell/Bachalo wins for Gen X.
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debate. I think Loeb's by far a better writer than anyone else over
in the X-Books. Think of just how horrible Lobdell's orginal year or so
was on the Books -- it didn't look up until just before GENX started.
Loeb's only been around for less than a year, and his stuff is GREAT.
Look at X-Man -- as lame as the idea is, the story is really there.
Admitedly, Lobdell is better -- especially w/ most of Astonishing #2 -- but
imagine where Loeb will be after a few years of practice. He's really
good with character -- really, really good.
I think we can expect to see Lobdell, Loeb and Ellis stick around.
Moore will probably leave on his own volition (X-Factor writers are never
permanent, are they?) and I can see Nicieza getting tossed off all together.
Nicieza (save for his work on New Warriors) couldn't create a character if
tried -- meaning, his characterization is appalling. He wrote some good
ACTION stories but he flounders when it comes to CHARACTER DRIVEN stories.
This is where Lobdell and Loeb excel. I wouldn't be surprised if Mark
Waid took over X-Men eventually. I've a feeling he's itching to turn
Flash over to Jan Michael Freidman who'll be co-writing it as of the next
issue.
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Michael Triggs
> debate. I think Loeb's by far a better writer than anyone else over
> in the X-Books. Think of just how horrible Lobdell's orginal year or so
Well, let's see what he does on X-Force... Of course, since this whole writer
debate is coming to the surface once again, it's about time I posted my "ideal
creationary team" listing...
X-Force
-------
Ideal Writer : There isn't one.
Realistic Choice : Jeph Loeb ...
Ideal Penciller : Rob Liefield [at his prime]
Realistic Choice : Ian Churchill ..
X-Factor
--------
Ideal Writer : Peter David
Another Good Choice : The Writer Of The Bishop LS, who's name escapes me...
Realistic Choice : The writer who did issues #88 to around #102.. Demuerza?
Ideal Penciller : Joey Quesada
Other Choices : Jan Duursema, Larry Stroman [yes!], Steve Epting ...
Excalibur
---------
Ideal Writer/Artist : Alan Davis ...
Realistic Writer Choice : Evan Skolnick belongs here... This title is perfect
for him...
Realistic Artist Choice : Joey Madureira, Darrick Robertson, Steve Skroce
Uncanny X-Men
-------------
Ideal Writer : Scott Lobdell ...
Realistic Writer : Scott Lobdell ...
Artist : Ron Lim!! (We can dream, can't we?) Joey Quesada, Jan Duursema ..
X-Men
-----
Ideal Writer : Chris Claremont
Realistic Choice : Mark Waid, Fabian Nicieza...
Ideal Artist : Jim Lee
Realistic Options : Steve Epting, Jae Lee ...
Wolverine
---------
KILL THIS STUPID TITLE!
New Warriors
------------
Ideal Writer : Fabian Nicieza
Realistic Choice : Peter David? (I'm dreaming) Evan Skolnick...
Ideal Artist : There really isn't one...
Realistic Choices : Steve Skroce/Joey Madureira/Darrick Robertson/Zircher
X-Men 2099
----------
Leave this title alone. Moore belongs here, as does Ron Lim...
Hm, notice I'm not mentioning Cable or X-Man... What does this mean?
Hmm...
Jacob W Michaels
: Well, let's see what he does on X-Force... Of course, since this whole writer
: debate is coming to the surface once again, it's about time I posted my "ideal
: creationary team" listing...
: New Warriors
: ------------
: Ideal Writer : Fabian Nicieza
: Realistic Choice : Peter David? (I'm dreaming) Evan Skolnick...
Well, Skolnick is growing on me, and I think, as you said and I deleted,
he could do a good job on Excalibur.
However, I'm curious why you don't think Fabe would go back to NW.
I heard nothing about him being fired so I'll assume he was telling the
truth when he said he had to cut down his work for more time with the
ol' family and that the XBooks are a bigger cash cow. He's also said
that his work on Warriors was some of the stuff he's been happiest with.
I assume the slight editorial changes that have been made (losing a few
members, gaining some new ones, being a spidey book) wouldn't turn
him off too much. I know sales were flagging at the end of his run,
although personally I enjoyed it all, for the most part. Anyways,
it's a Spidey Book now, so I thought it a little odd that you included
it.
Jacob New Warriors fan from day one, as soon as I saw Firestar on the cover.
Michael Triggs
Hm, of all the ideal choices, Fabian would be the most likely to actually write
the book... We know that the chances of Claremont writing X-Men, David writing
X-Factor, and Davis writing Excalibur ever again are virtually zip, as is the
chance that Liefield would ever touch X-Force again... However, Nicieza,
reasonably speaking, probably would love working on New Warriors...
However, I can really picture Peter David writing this book... His humor would
work here... Personally, I'd rather see Skolnick on Excalibur... Of all the
writers who have worked on the book since Davis left, either him or Lobdell
have produced the best work... I would choose Skolnick over Lobdell, since his
work is more closer to Davis' style... (Check out his writing on Excalibur
Annual #1.. It is killer stuff..)
> although personally I enjoyed it all, for the most part. Anyways,
> it's a Spidey Book now, so I thought it a little odd that you included
Yes, it's a "Spidey" Book, but it was worth including, since there are so many
ties between it and the X-Books... Both writers of New Warriors have done some
work on the X-Books.. Also Darrick Robertson has done a little work on the
X-Books... On top of all that, the team has several mutants [Firestar,
Justice]...
Jacob W Michaels
: However, I can really picture Peter David writing this book... His humor would
: work here... Personally, I'd rather see Skolnick on Excalibur... Of all the
: writers who have worked on the book since Davis left, either him or Lobdell
: have produced the best work... I would choose Skolnick over Lobdell, since his
: work is more closer to Davis' style... (Check out his writing on Excalibur
: Annual #1.. It is killer stuff..)
What did Skolnick do one Excalibur? I've enjoyed his work so far on NW,
as I said, and I would like to see more so I can get a better impression
of him. For now, I am waiting for my NWs just so I can see whether he is
good or not.
Jacob
David Zeiger
: Also Darrick Robertson has done a little work on the
: X-Books...
Speaking of which, does anyone know what happened to Unlimited 5? I
remember an interview in Wizard where he stated he would be the
artist, the story would be focusing on Rogue, and her real name
would be revealed.
When #5 came out, and it was something completely different, I
just assumed that they expanded the concept into the upcoming
LS. But then the LS didn't even have the signifigance of revealing
her name, so I'm still wondering.
All in all, though, Darick's style is, IMO, way too clean for
any of the Xbooks, save mabye X-Force, if Cable is dumped, or
Gen X, where a pencilling change is about the *last* thing I want
to see :-). Move him out of Spidey LS/Untraverse oblivion and
back to the Warriors (so we get a proper, non-frizzy-haired
Firestar again :-). But put Zircher on something else that I already
get.
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discussing why he is not buying the Dark Empire II comic series.
Joe Helfrich
>X-Force
>-------
>Ideal Writer : There isn't one.
Repeat after me boys and girls...Connie Hirsch! If you don't recognize
the name don't worry--it's just a bit of .xbooks history.
>New Warriors
>------------
>Ideal Artist : There really isn't one...
Puhlease. I loved Bagely's work on this title. And of course after I adopted
to Darek's work he poofed too...but shouldn't this be in .misc?
Joe
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Michael Triggs
> as I said, and I would like to see more so I can get a better impression
He wrote an Annual... Annual #1... The Khaos Story... Skolnick has written
quite a few Annuals... He also did an issue... #69? I'd have to check...
Paul O'Brien
>What did Skolnick do one Excalibur? I've enjoyed his work so far on NW,
>as I said, and I would like to see more so I can get a better impression
>of him. For now, I am waiting for my NWs just so I can see whether he is
>good or not.
He wrote Annual #1. The one with the D&D clone called Khaos.
Given that I hated the premise, the issue itself was quite well
handled. Naturally, this supposedly important introductory
issue introduced a character who was never heard of again.
Paul O'Brien
pr...@festival.ed.ac.uk, elf...@srv0.law.ed.ac.uk
Never underestimate the power of PJ and Duncan.
Jacob W Michaels
: >What did Skolnick do one Excalibur? I've enjoyed his work so far on NW,
: >as I said, and I would like to see more so I can get a better impression
: >of him. For now, I am waiting for my NWs just so I can see whether he is
: >good or not.
: He wrote Annual #1. The one with the D&D clone called Khaos.
: Given that I hated the premise, the issue itself was quite well
: handled. Naturally, this supposedly important introductory
: issue introduced a character who was never heard of again.
Heh. Do you remember when they dissed on these characters in Marvel
year-in-review. Back a year or two ago when it was funny. It was very
very funny.
Have any of those cahracters from those annuals ever been seen again?
The only one I can think of is Darkling from New Warriors (he became
Asylum.)
Jacob Who wishes there really were super heroes when he hears about
things like the bombing in Oklahoma City. Some people are just
so F*cking sick
Jordan Davis
<3n3vkn$a...@nic.umass.edu>: Distribution:
Jacob W Michaels (JWMI...@phobos.oit.umass.edu) wrote:
: Have any of those cahracters from those annuals ever been seen again?
: The only one I can think of is Darkling from New Warriors (he became
: Asylum.)
: Jacob Who wishes there really were super heroes when he hears about
: things like the bombing in Oklahoma City. Some people are just
: so F*cking sick
Hey, the X-cutioner made one other appearance, trying to kill Emma Frost
while she was in a coma. And that Legacy guy, apparently he's appearing
all over the place in those cosmic comics that I don't read. And Annex
from that Spider-Man Annual he actually had his own mini-series.
JD - who agrees whole heartedly about Oklahoma City. I heard a rumor
that it could have been Branch Davidians blowing up a building
that Housed the ATF because it's one year since Koresh was taken down.
Just a rumor though
David Zeiger
: Have any of those cahracters from those annuals ever been seen again?
: The only one I can think of is Darkling from New Warriors (he became
: Asylum.)
The twit from that year's Darkhawk annual popped up again, just before
the series got axed (which saved Danny Fingeroth from sinking any
further in quality. It was fast approaching that of a Mackie book).
Anyway, to go off on a tangent and tie this into xbooks, in RACM,
Evan mentioned that he understood that Firestar would be popping
up somewhere in AlterX. I take it she wasn't in this week's books
either? I thought there was a good chance she would have been part
of an Apoc hit squad on Avalon, myself.
James S Galinski
Jacob W Michaels <JWMI...@phobos.oit.umass.edu> wrote:
>Have any of those cahracters from those annuals ever been seen again?
>The only one I can think of is Darkling from New Warriors (he became
>Asylum.)
I think that X-Treme, aka Adam-X has been seen several times since. So has
that X-cutioner Guy. Me, I'm still waiting for the return of Empyrean and the
Brotherhood of Evil Ex-Freedom Force Members. Whatever happened to that guy,
anyhoo? Who else came out of those annuals? Oh yeah, Charon! A story with
him would suck unless written by Peter David. Much like every story about
X-Factor.
>Jacob Who wishes there really were super heroes when he hears about
> things like the bombing in Oklahoma City. Some people are just
> so F*cking sick
So true. Superman, where are you, goddamnit?!
-Grandpa Nate
Keeper of the X-Girlfriends flame. Opal, where are you?! He's going to
elope with Rogue! Stop this crap from happening, Please! Well, better him
than Gambit, anyway.
Ray J Cornwall
Joe Helfrich <j...@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>TRIG...@eos.bentley.edu (Michael Triggs) writes:
>>X-Force
>Repeat after me boys and girls...Connie Hirsch! If you don't recognize
>the name don't worry--it's just a bit of .xbooks history.
I second this motion. A good friend of mine gave me "Kid Dynamo" for X-mas. At
first, I just thought he was being cheap. Then I read it. One of the best
presents I ever got...
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Rachel K. Warren
: In article <3mt06j$l...@er6.rutgers.edu>,
: Joe Helfrich <j...@eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
: I second this motion. A good friend of mine gave me "Kid Dynamo" for X-mas. At
: first, I just thought he was being cheap. Then I read it. One of the best
: presents I ever got...
On disk or on paper? That would be alot of paper if he did. Ehh, must
compare to a novella...
: Ray Cornwall corn...@brahms.udel.edu (302)837-1921
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Nick Demmon
>Jacob W Michaels (JWMI...@phobos.oit.umass.edu) wrote:
>: things like the bombing in Oklahoma City. Some people are just
>: so F*cking sick
> that it could have been Branch Davidians blowing up a building
> that Housed the ATF because it's one year since Koresh was taken down.
I really hope that it wasn't the Branch davidians, but it really fits.
Why do I hope it wasn't? Because then I'd have to feel like a cold
hearted bastard because I'd HAVE to look at it and say ,"Payback's a mother
f'er." Because I became convinced that "we" were the ones who started that
fire in the compound, and I'd think that any survivors would be somewhat
justified to do something like this. (The Fire and Alcohol people burned just
as many of their babies).
So I really hope that it wasn't them. Because then I wouldn't be able to
hate them as the heartless bastards acting without any purpose but pure
distruction as the media tells me I should.
-nick who really doesn't go for conspiracy theories, usually, but that
fire just solved too many problems, was just too convinient.
Paul O'Brien
>I really hope that it wasn't the Branch davidians, but it really fits.
>Why do I hope it wasn't? Because then I'd have to feel like a cold
>hearted bastard because I'd HAVE to look at it and say ,"Payback's a mother
>f'er." Because I became convinced that "we" were the ones who started that
>fire in the compound, and I'd think that any survivors would be somewhat
>justified to do something like this. (The Fire and Alcohol people burned just
>as many of their babies).
>So I really hope that it wasn't them. Because then I wouldn't be able to
>hate them as the heartless bastards acting without any purpose but pure
>distruction as the media tells me I should.
I understand the current major suspect is an extreme right-winger from
the Michigan Militia, whoever they may be, who is particularly obsessed
with the treatment of David Koresh, and apparently sleeps with his gun.
Tragically, he never rolled over and shot himself accidentally. (I
don't care whether he did this bombing or not - he's an extreme right-
winger and can rot in hell for all I care.)
Without wanting to sound smug - it's because of people like this that
the USA should have repealed the right to bear arms at least a century
ago. This isn't meant to be funny, but you've had it coming to you for
a long, long time.
Michael Ellis
>Without wanting to sound smug - it's because of people like this that
>the USA should have repealed the right to bear arms at least a century
>ago. This isn't meant to be funny, but you've had it coming to you for
>a long, long time.
That's nice, except that:
1. No guns were involved, they used fertilizer and fuel oil (diesel, I
believe). Are we now going to restrict the purchase of large amounts of
fertilizer and fuel oil the same way we restrict the purchase of explosives?
and
2. I didn't notice that the heavy gun restrictions in the U.K. had slowed
the IRA down a whole hell of a lot either. Some, no doubt, but the fact
that everyone's so happy about a peace treaty with them is telling.
Frankly, I think they should line these bastards up against the nearest
wall and shoot them (after a fair trial and a guilty verdict, of course),
but that doesn't mean that they restrict guns any more than they already
do. (I'll wager that the more restrictive the U.S. government is in
things like guns, etc, the more violet these groups get.)
Well, that was off topic.
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mke...@mordor.com
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don't watch the movie) then read it.
Iain Brown
In the referenced article, mke...@ritz.mordor.com (Michael Ellis) writes:
>2. I didn't notice that the heavy gun restrictions in the U.K. had slowed
>the IRA down a whole hell of a lot either. Some, no doubt, but the fact
>that everyone's so happy about a peace treaty with them is telling.
First off I don't like to be picky, but it's not a peace treaty. All that's
happened is the paramilitary groups have agreed to stop killing people. No
group has given up any weapons, just promised no to use them. The IRA have
recently said they wouldn't have called the ceasefire if they'd realised
giving up their guns was a condition on being invited to join in the talks.
Now on to your actual point. It's very difficult to stop people who are
determined to smuggle arms. Being a group of islands does help and there
have been many seizures of weapons. The best way to have stopped the influx
of weapons would have been to cut off the supply of money coming in from
foreign countries, after all these things are very expensive.
>Frankly, I think they should line these bastards up against the nearest
>wall and shoot them (after a fair trial and a guilty verdict, of course),
A fair trial after you've decided they're guilty, could be a bit tricky =).
>
>Well, that was off topic.
>
We're Xbookers, off-topic is our speciality.
Iain
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Oradee Imvised
> I understand the current major suspect is an extreme right-winger from
> the Michigan Militia, whoever they may be, who is particularly obsessed
> with the treatment of David Koresh, and apparently sleeps with his gun.
> Tragically, he never rolled over and shot himself accidentally. (I
> don't care whether he did this bombing or not - he's an extreme right-
> winger and can rot in hell for all I care.)
The two major suspects are right-wingers from the Arizona Patriots, a group
with ties to the Michigan Militia. One man has already been apprehended
-- he was stopped for driving without a license plate. The other is
still being sought. The authorities are holding two members of the
Michigan Militia because they suspect these two men helpped plan the
bombing.
> Without wanting to sound smug - it's because of people like this that
> the USA should have repealed the right to bear arms at least a century
> ago. This isn't meant to be funny, but you've had it coming to you for
> a long, long time.
The right to bear arms -- though very short -- is rarely quoted in its
entirety. If you take the missing wording into account, it never says
that anyone who wants a weapon can carry one, but it's subject to
interpretation as to who can. My personnal opinion on gun control is
predicated by my belief that there's a higher probability of my being shot
by some well-meaning citizen who's mistaken me for a burgler than by a
crazed criminal. I've already had a long discussion with Mike over this
topic, and I'll concede that there are situations where having a firearm
would be desirable. When Mike goes overseas on his vacation, you can feel
free to have this discussion with him at your local distributor of wine
and spirits.
Regardless of where you stand on gun control, if you consider the number
of mutants who possess the power to inflict damage beyond that of your
average firearm, and groups like the X-Men are far too busy fighting off
the megalomaniacs to take care of your average thug, who takes care of
these kinds of criminals? It's not as if the police force is recruiting
mutants into its ranks in the X-Universe.
Then there's the consitutionality of mind reading as a breach of the
right to privacy, and the admissibility of evidence gotten in that
manner.
Oradee
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Lloyd Farris
: Jordan Davis <szj...@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
: >Jacob W Michaels (JWMI...@phobos.oit.umass.edu) wrote:
: >: Jacob Who wishes there really were super heroes when he hears about
: >: things like the bombing in Oklahoma City. Some people are just
: >: so F*cking sick
: >JD - who agrees whole heartedly about Oklahoma City. I heard a rumor
: > that it could have been Branch Davidians blowing up a building
: > that Housed the ATF because it's one year since Koresh was taken down.
: I really hope that it wasn't the Branch davidians, but it really fits.
: Why do I hope it wasn't? Because then I'd have to feel like a cold
: hearted bastard because I'd HAVE to look at it and say ,"Payback's a mother
: f'er." Because I became convinced that "we" were the ones who started that
: fire in the compound, and I'd think that any survivors would be somewhat
: justified to do something like this. (The Fire and Alcohol people burned just
: as many of their babies).
Yeah those children deserved to die because of something those
ATF agents did in Texas. Who care's that these agents are in Oklahoma
and not Texas and proboly had nothing to do with Waco. Who cares that it
was the Davidians that shot federal agents and then locked themselves up
with a bunch of weapons, screaming were not coming out ever. Who cares
they put their children at risk by following a wantabe Jesus child
molester. All that matters is payback and those innocent people and
their children well thats the f'ken breaks.
I don't care if it was a botched police job or Janet Reno
personaly went in and set the fires. There is no justifcation for what
was done. The death of the children in both Waco and Oklahoma was a
tragedy. However one was an accident (and probobly stupidity) and the
other was malicious intent. That is why Ihope there is a personal place
in Hell for whoever did this and I would be willing to take them there
personaly.
By the way it wasn't a Branch Davidian or middle eastern
terroist, but aa group of nuts who belive there view of the world is so
right other people should die for it.
: So I really hope that it wasn't them. Because then I wouldn't be able to
: hate them as the heartless bastards acting without any purpose but pure
: distruction as the media tells me I should.
: -nick who really doesn't go for conspiracy theories, usually, but that
: fire just solved too many problems, was just too convinient.
--
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ldfa...@ucdavis.edu |
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Iain Brown
What a truly fair tax that was, it was such a shame that it was replaced.
I think they should replace income tax with a standard tax everyone pays
no matter what they earn, it's only fair after all.
>Well, I mean 'treaty' in the same way the PLO and the Israelis have a
>'treaty': they've more or less agreed to talk about it at length, and
>not to fire large chunks (or even small chunks) of metal at each other
>while they talk.
Until today the British government were refusing to have talks with any
paramilitary group before they decommissioned all their arms. The
ceasefire was a gesture on the part of the IRA designed to start talks.
>Personally, if I were in the IRA, I wouldn't be giving up my weapons
>just yet. The again, if I were a British soldier, same situation holds...
This I find interesting, does this mean you believe the IRA were right to
use violence in the first place? It's my belief there is no justification
for terrorism within a democracy.
Oh, and I can't believe you missed my dig about foreign countries
supplying the money. ("I'm not foreign, I'm an American")
>Well, the trick is to get the right bastards first. (I have some
>reservations about the death penalty, but they mostly come down to
>the inability to be proven innocent in any useful manner after you're dead,
>and the cost involved in the appeals process. Who was it who was
>complaining about the lack of conservative opinions around here?
>[Let's not get started on abortion, where I promptly do a 180...])
I really think it would be a mistake to start discussing either of these
topics. Both are bound to bring out strong feelings.
>For our next topic: key lime pies and Russian military history.
Russian military history, does that mean we can talk about Catherine the
Great (neigh)?
>And the poll tax. (ha! you thought I'd forgotten about that!)
Maggie Thatcher was the best thing to happen to this country, God bless her.
Jason Reavis
eus...@exu.ericsson.se (Jim Benner) writes:
>to stay off topic....
>maybe if they restricted the use of guns, there would be less
violent crimes, or at
>least less deaths because of violent crimes. Just a thought.
> Jim
><standard disclaimer stuff>
Being from Oklahoma, I am forced to ponder to what this post has
to do with Oklahoma.
Please enlighten me!
Jason Reavis
Quixotic Knight of the Gambit Fan Club
Michael Ellis
>Oh no, it's back to British politics.
Up next: the poll tax.
>>the IRA down a whole hell of a lot either. Some, no doubt, but the fact
>>that everyone's so happy about a peace treaty with them is telling.
>First off I don't like to be picky, but it's not a peace treaty. All that's
>happened is the paramilitary groups have agreed to stop killing people. No
>group has given up any weapons, just promised no to use them. The IRA have
>recently said they wouldn't have called the ceasefire if they'd realised
>giving up their guns was a condition on being invited to join in the talks.
Well, I mean 'treaty' in the same way the PLO and the Israelis have a
'treaty': they've more or less agreed to talk about it at length, and
not to fire large chunks (or even small chunks) of metal at each other
while they talk.
Personally, if I were in the IRA, I wouldn't be giving up my weapons
just yet. The again, if I were a British soldier, same situation holds...
>Now on to your actual point. It's very difficult to stop people who are
>determined to smuggle arms. Being a group of islands does help and there
>have been many seizures of weapons. The best way to have stopped the influx
>of weapons would have been to cut off the supply of money coming in from
>foreign countries, after all these things are very expensive.
Now then, if you think it's tough trying to stop weapons coming into
Britain, imagine trying to stop weapons smuggling into the U.S.
Hell they can't even stop large drug shipments, and I'll bet that more people
in the U.S. who want guns more than drugs.
>>Frankly, I think they should line these bastards up against the nearest
>>wall and shoot them (after a fair trial and a guilty verdict, of course),
>A fair trial after you've decided they're guilty, could be a bit tricky =).
Well, the trick is to get the right bastards first. (I have some
reservations about the death penalty, but they mostly come down to
the inability to be proven innocent in any useful manner after you're dead,
and the cost involved in the appeals process. Who was it who was
complaining about the lack of conservative opinions around here?
[Let's not get started on abortion, where I promptly do a 180...])
>>Well, that was off topic.
>>
>We're Xbookers, off-topic is our speciality.
For our next topic: key lime pies and Russian military history.
And the poll tax. (ha! you thought I'd forgotten about that!)
--
Michael K. Ellis
Michael Ellis
>>>Oh no, it's back to British politics.
>In the referenced article, mke...@ritz.mordor.com (Michael Ellis) writes:
>>Well, I mean 'treaty' in the same way the PLO and the Israelis have a
>>'treaty': they've more or less agreed to talk about it at length, and
>>not to fire large chunks (or even small chunks) of metal at each other
>>while they talk.
>Until today the British government were refusing to have talks with any
>paramilitary group before they decommissioned all their arms. The
>ceasefire was a gesture on the part of the IRA designed to start talks.
Bully for them.
>>Personally, if I were in the IRA, I wouldn't be giving up my weapons
>>just yet. The again, if I were a British soldier, same situation holds...
>This I find interesting, does this mean you believe the IRA were right to
>use violence in the first place? It's my belief there is no justification
>for terrorism within a democracy.
Well, let's see here. Do I believe that Ireland was screwed by England
multiple times over many centuries, and generally treated like shite?
Yep.
Do I believe that the Irish had a pretty good reason to use violence
on the English up through the '20s?
Yep.
Do I believe that *today* the IRA should be going round blowing up
people and generally making a nuisance of themselves?
Nope. And I'm very glad that they've started negotiating instead
of bombing. I happen to agree with the 'united Ireland' thing,
but terrorism isn't the way to go about it.
>Oh, and I can't believe you missed my dig about foreign countries
>supplying the money. ("I'm not foreign, I'm an American")
I didn't miss it. I ignored it. You're correct, of course. The
IRA gets quite a lot of money from the U.S., perhaps most of their
money (haven't seen figures). On the other hand, they're certainly
not going to get a lot out of Ireland. Not with that economy.
>I really think it would be a mistake to start discussing either of these
>topics. [abortion and the death penalty] Both are bound to bring out
>strong feelings.
Probably. This place is beginning to look like soc.culture.celtic
already. Bad enough. Last thing we need is to cross it with
talk.abortion, talk.politics.guns and wherever it is they talk about
the death penalty. (alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, probably.)›
>>For our next topic: key lime pies and Russian military history.
>Russian military history, does that mean we can talk about Catherine the
>Great (neigh)?
No horse jokes. This isn't alt.tastless either.
>>And the poll tax. (ha! you thought I'd forgotten about that!)
>Maggie Thatcher was the best thing to happen to this country, God bless her.
One can tell you're fairly quivering to write her eulogy.
Iain Brown
>Do I believe that *today* the IRA should be going round blowing up
>people and generally making a nuisance of themselves?
>
>Nope. And I'm very glad that they've started negotiating instead
>of bombing. I happen to agree with the 'united Ireland' thing,
>but terrorism isn't the way to go about it.
I would agree with the 'united Ireland' thing if it was what the people
of Ulster wanted. I don't agree however with riding roughshod over the
wishes of the people of the province. I do accept that there are a lot of
people in Ulster who want it to be part of Ireland and their views need
to be taken into account. I really can't see any compromise between the
two points of view being reached easily, but we can hope.
>I didn't miss it. I ignored it. You're correct, of course. The
>IRA gets quite a lot of money from the U.S., perhaps most of their
>money (haven't seen figures). On the other hand, they're certainly
>not going to get a lot out of Ireland. Not with that economy.
Irish-Americans seem to retain a picture of a storybook Ireland and a
belief that the IRA only attacks military targets. This allows
organiations like NorAid to thrive.
>>>For our next topic: key lime pies and Russian military history.
>>Russian military history, does that mean we can talk about Catherine the
>>Great (neigh)?
>
>No horse jokes. This isn't alt.tastless either.
I don't know what you mean, I was just inferring she was fond of horses.
>>Maggie Thatcher was the best thing to happen to this country, God bless her.
>
>One can tell you're fairly quivering to write her eulogy.
I think the Spin Doctors said it best
"It's been a whole lot easier since the bitch is gone,
it's been a whole lot happier without her face around"
EL...@graceland.com
wrong group shitheads
Omnificent Deleterious Boil on Humanity's Butt
>In the referenced article, mke...@ritz.mordor.com (Michael Ellis) writes:
>
>>>>For our next topic: key lime pies and Russian military history.
>>>Russian military history, does that mean we can talk about Catherine the
>>>Great (neigh)?
>>
>>No horse jokes. This isn't alt.tastless either.
>
>I don't know what you mean, I was just inferring she was fond of horses.
Of course she was. She would often slip out to the stables for a quick
"ride".... In fact, I believe she died a horse-related death, did she not?
Graeme MacD.
Who was quite shocked when he first learned the truth of the matter....
--
Official VBFC Head Manager of the Space-Time Continuum
Official Magik Fan Club Lord High Genetic Engineer, He Who Is In Charge
Of Keeping The Club's Genes Pure
"It wasn't my butt that got me these jobs, it was my talent."
EL...@graceland.com
> >Oh no, it's back to British politics.
>
> Up next: the poll tax.
>
> >>the IRA down a whole hell of a lot either. Some, no doubt, but the fact
> >>that everyone's so happy about a peace treaty with them is telling.
>
> >First off I don't like to be picky, but it's not a peace treaty. All that's
> >happened is the paramilitary groups have agreed to stop killing people. No
> >group has given up any weapons, just promised no to use them. The IRA have
> >recently said they wouldn't have called the ceasefire if they'd realised
> >giving up their guns was a condition on being invited to join in the talks.
>
> Well, I mean 'treaty' in the same way the PLO and the Israelis have a
> 'treaty': they've more or less agreed to talk about it at length, and
> not to fire large chunks (or even small chunks) of metal at each other
> while they talk.
>
> Personally, if I were in the IRA, I wouldn't be giving up my weapons
> just yet. The again, if I were a British soldier, same situation holds...
>
> >Now on to your actual point. It's very difficult to stop people who are
> >determined to smuggle arms. Being a group of islands does help and there
> >have been many seizures of weapons. The best way to have stopped the influx
> >of weapons would have been to cut off the supply of money coming in from
> >foreign countries, after all these things are very expensive.
>
> Now then, if you think it's tough trying to stop weapons coming into
> Britain, imagine trying to stop weapons smuggling into the U.S.
> Hell they can't even stop large drug shipments, and I'll bet that more people
> in the U.S. who want guns more than drugs.
>
> >>Frankly, I think they should line these bastards up against the nearest
> >>wall and shoot them (after a fair trial and a guilty verdict, of course),
>
> >A fair trial after you've decided they're guilty, could be a bit tricky =).
>
> Well, the trick is to get the right bastards first. (I have some
> reservations about the death penalty, but they mostly come down to
> the inability to be proven innocent in any useful manner after you're dead,
> and the cost involved in the appeals process. Who was it who was
> complaining about the lack of conservative opinions around here?
> [Let's not get started on abortion, where I promptly do a 180...])
>
> >>Well, that was off topic.
> >>
> >We're Xbookers, off-topic is our speciality.
>
> For our next topic: key lime pies and Russian military history.
>
> And the poll tax. (ha! you thought I'd forgotten about that!)
>
> --
> Michael K. Ellis
wrong group asswipes
Paul O'Brien
>Well, let's see here. Do I believe that Ireland was screwed by England
>multiple times over many centuries, and generally treated like shite?
Oh, no doubt about that. Them and half the planet. Who cares?
>Do I believe that the Irish had a pretty good reason to use violence
>on the English up through the '20s?
Given that they had independence in 1918, I should think the
arguments became somewhat weak in the 1920s.
Fact: the British offered all of Ireland independence. The
North raised its own army to fight off the south. They really,
really wanted to stay British. We were doing our best to kick
them out.
>Do I believe that *today* the IRA should be going round blowing up
>people and generally making a nuisance of themselves?
>Nope. And I'm very glad that they've started negotiating instead
>of bombing. I happen to agree with the 'united Ireland' thing,
>but terrorism isn't the way to go about it.
Fact: the majority of people in Northern Ireland do not want
to be part of a united Ireland. This is the single most
overwhelming argument against a united Ireland - the people
in question don't want it.
>>Oh, and I can't believe you missed my dig about foreign countries
>>supplying the money. ("I'm not foreign, I'm an American")
>I didn't miss it. I ignored it. You're correct, of course. The
>IRA gets quite a lot of money from the U.S., perhaps most of their
>money (haven't seen figures). On the other hand, they're certainly
>not going to get a lot out of Ireland. Not with that economy.
Fact: part of the point of the IRA's terrorist campaign is to
destroy the Northern Irish economy. It's their own damn fault.
Fact: the IRA gets a lot of money out of Ulster anyway through
protection rackets.
Fact: the IRA also gets a lot of money from gullible Americans
who believe everything Noraid tells them and never make the
effort to check their facts. (This is not intended to be a
flame. I've just read it back and realised that it needs
clarified.)
>>Maggie Thatcher was the best thing to happen to this country, God bless her.
>One can tell you're fairly quivering to write her eulogy.
Only if I can carve it on her gravestone, shortly before
dancing on her grave.
Lori L. Sandoval
(Kate the Short) wrote:
> EL...@GRACELAND.COM writes:
>
> > wrong group shitheads
>
> It's called a tangent. If you don't like it, don't read it. If you want to
> respond to them, do it by e-mail.
>
> AND IF YOU FOLLOWUP TO A POST, *DELETE* the rest of the darned thing!!!!!!
>
> We've been here a HELL of a lot longer than you have, bucko. If you
don't like
> some of these discussions, then don't read them...
>
>
> kate.
Here, here!
BTW, (IMO), 'wrong group' or 'take it to ____, please' is more acceptable
than, "wrong group, _shitheads_" or
any other colorful metaphores (sp?) one might care to become flamebait with.
--
Yours,
Lori L. Sandoval
lo...@cchem.berkeley.edu
lsan...@almaak.usc.edu (alternate)
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Iain Brown
[Discussion of Ulster situation deleted]
>wrong group asswipes
Hey, at least I've never reposted an entire article just to add three words.
You're right it was off-topic, and if it had gone on any longer I would
have taken it to e-mail, but the thread is dead (well except for the
Catherine the Great bit) or at the very least dying. The thread did arise
indirectly from discussion of the x-books.
Yours is the only complaint I have received and to be honest I wouldn't
have taken much notice of it because
a) you weren't exactly polite about your request
b) you have yet to earn my respect.
I've only seen 6 posts from you and none of them contained anything worth
reading.
My advice to you is: post productively, use your real email address, cut
irrelevant parts of posts you're responding to and go with the flow. Oh,
and if someone annoys you with an off-topic thread ask them _politely_
to move to e-mail.
Welcome to Xbooks(tm).
Paul O'Brien
>That's nice, except that:
>1. No guns were involved, they used fertilizer and fuel oil (diesel, I
>believe). Are we now going to restrict the purchase of large amounts of
>fertilizer and fuel oil the same way we restrict the purchase of explosives?
True. But I find it hard to believe that the rise of this
ridiculous and frankly dangerous militia movement - which is
unique to the USA - is unconnected with the fact that American
law cheerily proclaims the right of any passing lunatic to
buy a Kalashnikov - which is unique to the USA.
>2. I didn't notice that the heavy gun restrictions in the U.K. had slowed
>the IRA down a whole hell of a lot either. Some, no doubt, but the fact
>that everyone's so happy about a peace treaty with them is telling.
The IRA are not comparable. They're a highly organised terrorist
group who've been around for decades, and have supply lines from
friendly groups outside and (allegedly) governments who have a
grudge against the UK. Libya, to be specific, although as I say
that's just an allegation from the press.
The "heavy gun restrictions" in the UK proclaim simply that
you may own a gun for sporting purposes if you keep it in a
safe place and are considered a responsible person, and that
nobody needs to own assault weapons so nobody may buy them.
This may explain why, in the last set of figures I saw, the
annual murder rate in the UK as a whole was lower than in
New York City alone.
>Frankly, I think they should line these bastards up against the nearest
>wall and shoot them (after a fair trial and a guilty verdict, of course),
>but that doesn't mean that they restrict guns any more than they already
>do. (I'll wager that the more restrictive the U.S. government is in
>things like guns, etc, the more violet these groups get.)
This is what astonishes me. There's a bunch of right-wing
nutcases wandering around your country with guns. What does
Clinton propose? "Let's infiltrate them! Let's spy on them!"
Nowhere does he even suggest that disarming them might be a nice
idea.
Kate the Short
[Oklahoma concerns deleted]
>
> wrong group shitheads
Elvis.
It's called a tangent. If you don't like it, don't read it. If you want to
respond to them, do it by e-mail.
AND IF YOU FOLLOWUP TO A POST, *DELETE* the rest of the darned thing!!!!!!
It's realllllly STUPID to quote an entire post just to add one line of
complaint about it!
We've been here a HELL of a lot longer than you have, bucko. If you don't like
some of these discussions, then don't read them...
kate.
who though saintly, still does not hold the same beliefs for the Cartoon
Thread, [IS], or Spider-man vs. anyone. so don't look for holy support there.
--
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Omnificent Deleterious Boil on Humanity's Butt
Kate the Short <kew...@exodus.valpo.edu> wrote:
>
>Elvis.
>
>We've been here a HELL of a lot longer than you have, bucko. If you don't like
Whoa. You just made a Saint curse, Elvis. Happy now?
Graeme MacD.
Well, okay, so it's not much of a curse, but the fact that Kate said it....
Jason Burton
[discussion of Catherine the Great's demise deleted]
: Of course she was. She would often slip out to the stables for a quick
: "ride".... In fact, I believe she died a horse-related death, did she not?
: Graeme MacD.
: Who was quite shocked when he first learned the truth of the matter....
What, that she died sitting on the toilet? Yes, it is a slightly
less interesting way to die than the famous rumor, isn't it?
Jason Burton
Keeper of the Jamie Munoz flame
--
"Hi-Me Moon-Who?"
-Wolverine's first attempt to pronounce
Jamie Munoz's name
WOLVERINE #80
RHJ. Rees
: If I were in the IRA, I'd not give up my guns just yet. After all we all
: know what will happen if the British government doesn't give them everything
: they want. They're all bastards.
Say hello to our main negoitater mr. ak-47, C-4's out in the car park
should we need him...
: >
: > Nope. And I'm very glad that they've started negotiating instead
: > of bombing. I happen to agree with the 'united Ireland' thing,
: > but terrorism isn't the way to go about it.
: I'm glad you don't agree with the violence, but why do you want a
: united Ireland? It won't affect you at all (will it?), and all that will
: happen is that the git in the silly hat from Rome will rule Northern Ireland
: too.
That's exactly it. There's no way the Irish can impose their will on the
Protestants and everyone knows it. A united Ireland will never happen
willingly as the Irish government has basically said "Get lost if you
think we're paying to take care of that problem"
I imagine the eventual solution will be a grey compromise with Northern
Ireland as an independent country of both Eire AND the UK. And I bet you
the minute British troops leave violence will start all over again. If
people _hate_ one another there's nothing that can be done. Why don't the
american's try to solve the War in Bosnia??? Same situation but without
bigger guns.
Doug Crosby
>This isn't meant to be funny, but you've had it coming to you for
>a long, long time.
>
>Paul O'Brien
You're right Paul, it's not funny. It's kind of like saying you deserve
the IRA 'cause your country couldn't stay out of other people's country.
But I wouldn't say that.
Nobody deserves this kind of shit. No matter what their failings are.
Nobody deserves to be bombed, whether it's from a car, a Ryder Truck or
"collateral" damage from a "surgical air strike".
Nobody DESERVES it, period.
Doug Crosby
Pissed Off Ex-Flower Child
(who will climb off of the soap
box now and go back to lurking)
Jasqon Reavis
"Elvis" wrote:
> wrong group asswipes
Hehe...and that's your real name...
asswipe
Jasqon Reavis
Official Hit Man of the Gambit Fan Club
Michael Ellis
>Ooh! A disussion of Ireland! Lemme at it!
Yeesh. Didn't I mention something about not wanting this to become
soc.culture.celtic?
>Michael Ellis writes:
>> >>Personally, if I were in the IRA, I wouldn't be giving up my weapons
>> >>just yet. The again, if I were a British soldier, same situation holds...
>If I were in the IRA, I'd not give up my guns just yet. After all we all
>know what will happen if the British government doesn't give them everything
>they want. They're all bastards.
Well, let's see here. We have the IRA on one side, the UDF & crew on
the other, and the Britsh government on a third (with alliances shifting
around from time to time). On the whole, I'd say they're all bastards, yeah.
Then it comes down to 'okay, if you're for something, which set of bastards
is closest to what you're for'. If you've no interest at all in Ireland,
then you're welcome to wash your hands and go bemoan Bosnia or something.
That doesn't mean I like what the IRA does. One side effect of this
thread is that I'm going to go out and buy a few more history books on
the IRA and on Irish history in general. I'd imagine it should be
enlightening, as I'm lacking on some specifics.
>> Nope. And I'm very glad that they've started negotiating instead
>> of bombing. I happen to agree with the 'united Ireland' thing,
>> but terrorism isn't the way to go about it.
>I'm glad you don't agree with the violence, but why do you want a
>united Ireland? It won't affect you at all (will it?), and all that will
>happen is that the git in the silly hat from Rome will rule Northern Ireland
>too.
Er, I'm a completist?
Mostly it's that I believe that there would be a lot less conflict if there
were a United Ireland than there is now. Doesn't mean there wouldn't
be any, just less. Of course, I could be wrong. Time to go do more reading.
Oh, and I do have something of a personal stake in the matter. My
grandfather was an immigrant, and I'm working on getting dual citizenship.
(Lest I sound like the great Irish wannabe, the idea is that I can then
go work in the EC without too much trouble. But I am fond of the place,
and will actually be going back there for a family reunion in late summer.
Most of the family's from the southwest of Ireland, though. Not the north)
Alasdair Watson
Ooh! A disussion of Ireland! Lemme at it!
Michael Ellis writes:
> ma2...@bath.ac.uk (Iain Brown) writes:
> >>Personally, if I were in the IRA, I wouldn't be giving up my weapons
> >>just yet. The again, if I were a British soldier, same situation holds...
If I were in the IRA, I'd not give up my guns just yet. After all we all
know what will happen if the British government doesn't give them everything
they want. They're all bastards.
> Do I believe that *today* the IRA should be going round blowing up
> people and generally making a nuisance of themselves?
>
> Nope. And I'm very glad that they've started negotiating instead
> of bombing. I happen to agree with the 'united Ireland' thing,
> but terrorism isn't the way to go about it.
I'm glad you don't agree with the violence, but why do you want a
united Ireland? It won't affect you at all (will it?), and all that will
happen is that the git in the silly hat from Rome will rule Northern Ireland
too.
--
Alasdair Watson - Ireland. Land of Bushmills.
Timothy C Ellerbee
: In article <D7nq1...@bath.ac.uk>, Iain Brown <ma2...@bath.ac.uk> wrote:
: >In the referenced article, mke...@ritz.mordor.com (Michael Ellis) writes:
: >>>>For our next topic: key lime pies and Russian military history.
: >>>Russian military history, does that mean we can talk about Catherine the
: >>
: >>No horse jokes. This isn't alt.tastless either.
: >
: >I don't know what you mean, I was just inferring she was fond of horses.
: Of course she was. She would often slip out to the stables for a quick
: "ride".... In fact, I believe she died a horse-related death, did she not?
: Graeme MacD.
: Who was quite shocked when he first learned the truth of the matter....
Hate to dispell this particular myth, but I can replace it with a truth
that's almost as oogy...Catherine the Great died on the potty...heart
strain caused by...uh...well, straining, to put it bluntly...
Genevieve "History Babe" Hoog
(bummin' on Bemo's account)
P.S. Yes, Edward II really did die like *THAT*
Vorpal Bunny(TM)
: EL...@GRACELAND.COM@Louisiana_Tech wrote:
: [65 lines of unedited dialogue deleted.]
: >wrong group shitheads
: "SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM..."
: *sigh* And it's not even _close_ to September...
Spam in the place where I work!
It's sooo fine!
Think about all the different flavors...(I forget the rest of the lyrics)
And yes, there IS an actualy song about Spam.
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Joe Helfrich
>wrong group asswipes
Wrong attitude, idiot.
Joe
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Joe Helfrich
>In article <D7JAG...@festival.ed.ac.uk>, pr...@festival.ed.ac.uk (Paul O'Brien) says:
>>This isn't meant to be funny....
>>Paul O'Brien
>You're right Paul, it's not funny. It's kind of like saying....
>Doug Crosby
OK, kids, lets stop this now. Yes, there's a reason to be upset with
Paul's approach, but from his background, at least, he has a point.
Lets all just let the subject slip away before it gets out of hand, OK?
Joe
p...@nslsilus.org
>Spam in the place where I work!
Think about nutrition
Wonder what's inside it now
Spam in my lunchbox at school...
Weird Al. UHF album. To a certain REM tune, and catchier words than REM had
as well.
Aardy R. DeVarque
Feudalism: Serf & Turf
Is it wrong to have every Weird Al album? Didn't think so.
Vorpal Bunny(TM)
: In article <3ntrno$6...@newstand.syr.edu> ho...@newstand.syr.edu (Vorpal Bunny(TM)) writes:
: >Spam in the place where I work!
: (Ham and Pork)
: Think about nutrition
: Wonder what's inside it now
: Spam in my lunchbox at school...
It's okaaaay!
Think about all the flavors...
Paul O'Brien
>OK, kids, lets stop this now. Yes, there's a reason to be upset with
>Paul's approach, but from his background, at least, he has a point.
>Lets all just let the subject slip away before it gets out of hand, OK?
Since it apparently wasn't clear to several people from my
earlier comments:
I do NOT endorse or condone the Oklahoma bombing. I do believe
that the rise of the far right militia is the result of misguided
policy and that you could have avoided it, but I do NOT think that
that absolves the bombers of responsibility in any way whatsoever.
Okay?
Paul O'Brien
pr...@festival.ed.ac.uk, elf...@srv0.law.ed.ac.uk
Total Integrated Panoramic Transmission Of Pop.
Doug Crosby
>
>mke...@ritz.mordor.com (Michael Ellis) writes:
>
>>That's nice, except that:
>
>>1. No guns were involved, they used fertilizer and fuel oil (diesel, I
>>believe). Are we now going to restrict the purchase of large amounts of
>>fertilizer and fuel oil the same way we restrict the purchase of explosives?
>
>True. But I find it hard to believe that the rise of this
>ridiculous and frankly dangerous militia movement - which is
>unique to the USA -
>
Boy Scouts?
Not to mention the militias of Lebanon and Somolia. Where does this
unique to USA come from? We used to be unique. We used to believe
political issues should be resolved at the polls, but I guess we've
learned for the rest of the world's example.
Your neighbor's politics or religion didn't used to be a reason to shot
him (or blow him up). Now if his dog shit in your yard, or he called you
yella, then you had a obligation to shot him (code of the west!:)).
>
deleted stuff (alot of which I kind of agree with).
>
>This is what astonishes me. There's a bunch of right-wing
>nutcases wandering around your country with guns. What does
>Clinton propose? "Let's infiltrate them! Let's spy on them!"
>Nowhere does he even suggest that disarming them might be a nice
>idea.
>
Agree completely that this is a stupid response. Threatening these
folks further by marching the troops in to take away their guns is
not much better. The ATF and FBI did that with a tax protestor in
Idaho and wound up with some dead agents on one side and a dead wife
and sixteen year old son on the other. We learned SO much from that
that we decided to repeat the tactic in Waco.
These people are angry, scared and stupid. If we don't deal with the
reasons why they are that way then they will just be more angry, more
scared and we'll be just as stupid. Repression is not an intellegent
response. What we really need to do is to help people believe they
don't need an assault rifles (or handguns) to be safe or to acquire
justice.
Just how we do that, is the big question.
Doug Crosby
Preachy Old Fart
(who really should have
gone back to lurking)
David R. Henry
[Entire copy of Mike Ellis' interesting post copied, many dozens of lines
worth, to add only this:]
>wrong group asswipes
Not only do we get dead rock stars, we get pathetic flaming dead rock
stars. I shake my head in shame.
"Happiness is a warm gun."
--
David R. Henry-Rogue Fan Club // Now featuring the theme song from "Soap."
"All you of Earth are IDIOTS!"-P9fOS / What was the question? -- Kate Bush
dhe...@plains.nodak.edu * Evolution: Give it some time, it'll grow on ya.
Pseudoephedrine HCl
Jason Burton <jbu...@rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu> wrote:
>Omnificent Deleterious Boil on Humanity's Butt wrote:
> [discussion of Catherine the Great's demise deleted]
>
>: "ride".... In fact, I believe she died a horse-related death, did she not?
>
>: Graeme MacD.
>: Who was quite shocked when he first learned the truth of the matter....
>
>less interesting way to die than the famous rumor, isn't it?
Oh, sure! Take the fun out of it, why don't you!
Graeme
--
"Fifty-three COLLEGE STUDENTS who had been removed from the
UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO told chilling stories of being fed just twice a
day, sleeping only four hours a night and being forced to wear helmets
wired with stinging electrodes." -Time Magazine, 5/1/95
Pseudoephedrine HCl
Kevin White <whit...@goshawk.csrv.uidaho.edu> wrote:
>Boil on Butt [y'know, this makes Graeme sound much better] wrote:
> [re: Catherine the Great]
>>>I don't know what you mean, I was just inferring she was fond of horses.
>
>>"ride".... In fact, I believe she died a horse-related death, did she not?
>
>
> Please insert another quarter to continue.
>
> The 'Catherine the Great death-scene' is so old an urban legend
>that I am firmly convinced that it was around before the invention of the
>urb. _To the best of my knowledge_, as a Bachelor of History, this hoary
>old chestnut does not contain an ounce of truth. I have asked, upon
>threat of severe disapproval, multiple professors of Russian History and
>Russian Culture if this story were true. The unanimous answer has been...
>
> no.
>
> Yes, she apparently _did_ have affairs that made the current
>Royal Family's embarrasments seem like mere pecadillos. But as a strong
>queen in the late Middle Ages, she was bound to be the subject of
>incredibly harsh court gossip.
Okay, okay, fine. I believe you. I *knew* it had to have been too funny
to be true. Ugh.
Oh well.
Graeme MacD.
Pseudoephedrine HCl
Timothy C Ellerbee <tell...@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote:
>Omnificent Deleterious Boil on Humanity's Butt (gdma...@woodlawn.uchicago.edu) wrote:
>: In article <D7nq1...@bath.ac.uk>, Iain Brown <ma2...@bath.ac.uk> wrote:
>: >In the referenced article, mke...@ritz.mordor.com (Michael Ellis) writes:
>: >
>: >>>>For our next topic: key lime pies and Russian military history.
>: >>>Russian military history, does that mean we can talk about Catherine the
>: >>>Great (neigh)?
>: >>
>: >>No horse jokes. This isn't alt.tastless either.
>: >
>: Of course she was. She would often slip out to the stables for a quick
>: "ride".... In fact, I believe she died a horse-related death, did she not?
>
>: Who was quite shocked when he first learned the truth of the matter....
>
>that's almost as oogy...Catherine the Great died on the potty...heart
>strain caused by...uh...well, straining, to put it bluntly...
OKAY ALREADY!!! Jeez. Next myth to dispel: the Easter Bunny.
Any takers?
>P.S. Yes, Edward II really did die like *THAT*
How? Giving head to a horse? (sorry if that was more than anyone wanted
to hear!)
Jacob W Michaels
: Elvis writes again:
: [Entire copy of Mike Ellis' interesting post copied, many dozens of lines
: worth, to add only this:]
: >wrong group asswipes
: Not only do we get dead rock stars, we get pathetic flaming dead rock
: stars. I shake my head in shame.
I always hated Elvis' music too.
: "Happiness is a warm gun."
"Why don't we do it in the road?"
Jacob
Timothy C Ellerbee
: In article <3ns288$p...@portal.gmu.edu>,
: Timothy C Ellerbee <tell...@osf1.gmu.edu> wrote:
: >Omnificent Deleterious Boil on Humanity's Butt (gdma...@woodlawn.uchicago.edu) wrote:
: >: In article <D7nq1...@bath.ac.uk>, Iain Brown <ma2...@bath.ac.uk> wrote:
: >P.S. Yes, Edward II really did die like *THAT*
: How? Giving head to a horse? (sorry if that was more than anyone wanted
*Geni whispers in Graeme's ear* "psst psst red-hot poker psst
psst...yes, there...right...it's true! Read the history books! Yes,
*there!*"
Genevieve "I wonder if the fact that I'm an amature scholar of Edward II
is a sign of insanity? Hmmm" Hoog
Doug Crosby
>
>cros...@norand.com (Doug Crosby) writes:
>
>>In article <D7JAG...@festival.ed.ac.uk>, pr...@festival.ed.ac.uk (Paul O'Brien) says:
>
>>>This isn't meant to be funny....
>>>Paul O'Brien
>
>>You're right Paul, it's not funny. It's kind of like saying....
>>Doug Crosby
>
>
>
'excuse please. Paul and I have a difference in opinion. He stated his,
I stated mine. Further discussion on the subject via e.mail (to spare
the folks who could care less about this "off subject" thread) has been
interesting, and elucidating (for me anyway).
I haven't called Paul any names. He hasn't called me any. Which seems
to be the exception around here rather than the rule. We've both made
strong statements about things we feel strongly about. End of story.
Now I know you're just interested in keepin' the peace here in town
marshall, but I think that those efforts are wasted at this point as
there is no conflict going on here. Sometimes people can (and do)
have a conflict in opinion without have to come to blows (or flames).
Your editorialization of Paul's and my statements down to two rather
misleading and totally uninformative comments taken completely out of
context is..unfair. End of rant.
Doug Crosby
Father Second Generation X Fan
(who reserves the right to speak his mind no
matter how little of it is left from the 60's)
EvanSkol
Since my name is in the "was" section of this topic ...
And since I just added this newsgroup to my subscription list today, and
therefore no longer have access to the original thread ...
Could somebody please let me know how all this got started? No re-postings
necessary, but when you see your name in a topic like this one, you start
to wonder ...
Thanks in advance,
Evan Skolnick
Joe Helfrich
>Umm...
>Thanks in advance,
>Evan Skolnick
Evan! Welcome to Xbooks! [tm drh, Richard Darwin Enterprises]
We here at xbooks...tend to drift a bit. :) If I remember correctly, this
started in .misc, got crosposted here for some reason (probably a Firestar
reference) and it just got .xbooked. Probably off of someone's tagline.
Don't worry about it, nothing personal. :)
Now, if I may ask, _why_ are you reading this group? Change of jobs perhaps?
Dare we hope?
Oh, and Oradee tells me that your birthday is coming up. Congrats! :)
joe
Jacob W Michaels
: Umm...
: Since my name is in the "was" section of this topic ...
: And since I just added this newsgroup to my subscription list today, and
: therefore no longer have access to the original thread ...
: Could somebody please let me know how all this got started? No re-postings
: necessary, but when you see your name in a topic like this one, you start
: to wonder ...
: Thanks in advance,
I think it was something about what you'ld done on Warriors which gets
mentioned here from time to time, or something about you and Excalibur.
I don't really remember, but it changed when I responded to something
on the day of the Oklahoma City bombing and said something about things
like that made me wish there really were superheros in my .sig, which
then spawned this thread.
Jacob Welcome to Xbooks, Evan! (tm drh)
Jane Griffin
EvanSkol <evan...@aol.com> wrote:
>Umm...
>
>Since my name is in the "was" section of this topic ...
>
>And since I just added this newsgroup to my subscription list today, and
>therefore no longer have access to the original thread ...
>
>Could somebody please let me know how all this got started? No re-postings
>necessary, but when you see your name in a topic like this one, you start
>to wonder ...
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
Does this mean we are getting a reputation? Outside of the sneering on
.misc, I mean. :) Cool :)
Jane Griffin
Jacob W Michaels
: In article <3p6ag7$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
: EvanSkol <evan...@aol.com> wrote:
: >Umm...
: >
: >Since my name is in the "was" section of this topic ...
: >
: >And since I just added this newsgroup to my subscription list today, and
: >therefore no longer have access to the original thread ...
: Does this mean we are getting a reputation? Outside of the sneering on
: .misc, I mean. :) Cool :)
Not really. Evan heard we were talking about him, so decided to join :)
Our rep is summed up in two words: Impending Storm :)
Jacob