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Dave

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May 6, 2002, 4:00:23 PM5/6/02
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At a rally in Trafalgar Square in London today about 50,000 people gathered
from of all walks of Jewish life and including many non-Jews. Their message
was 'No to Terror-Yes to Peace' and general support for Israel and victims
of anti-Semitism. Besides speeches, Psalm 122 was recited and a prayer was
said for the victims of terrorism.

Opposite in the main square a few hundred Palestinian sympathisers gathered
to protest against Israel. They were addressed by Rabbi A Grohman of the
Neturei Karta in London who called to loud cheers for an end to the Zionist
state. He was accompanied by a handful of supporters.

The presence of the NK across the road reminded me of the passage in the
Hagadah at the piece dealing with the evil son, 'and because he has set
himself apart he has rejected the basic tenets'.

By contrast left wing supporters of Israel also stood apart from the main
march and called for an end to violence on both sides but without joining
the Palestinians.

It is painful to contrast these groups with the French people who put aside
all their differences to oppose evil and violence.

Susan Cohen

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May 6, 2002, 5:03:10 PM5/6/02
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Dave wrote:

> It is painful to contrast these groups with the French people who put aside
> all their differences to oppose evil and violence.

Um, the French march, or what's going on in France in general?

Susan

Henry Goodman

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May 6, 2002, 6:54:32 PM5/6/02
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"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
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I assume he means the vote in the 2nd round of the Presidential election
where Le Pen was defeated by 82% to 18%

--
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40 days and counting

Dave

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May 6, 2002, 10:26:34 PM5/6/02
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The French Left who voted for a right wing candidate. I'm not suggesting
that anyone vote for Sharon but standing together with Israel should allow
even those on the left, yours truly included, to stand together.


"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
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>

Zoeliz

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May 7, 2002, 4:59:34 PM5/7/02
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>hundred Palestinian sympathisers gathered
>to protest against Israel. They were addressed by Rabbi A Grohman of the
>Neturei Karta in London who called to loud cheers for an end to the Zionist
>state. He was accompanied by a handful of supporters.
>

Jews must surely be the only minority which contains members who prefer to side
with the enemy. What is the matter with us? Are we defective in some way?

Zoe

Jeff

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May 7, 2002, 5:41:54 PM5/7/02
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What's your problem with National Kashrut (NK) ?
:o)

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Abe Kohen

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"Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote in message
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> What's your problem with National Kashrut (NK) ?
> :o)


Noach,

There is no problem with National Kashrut. The problem is with CRC-Satmar
Supervision, as in this letter below, which I received recently.

Abe


Due to the radio blitz from SATMAR and CRC that they are against Israel and
FOR the PALESTINIANS, we are BOYCOTTING all products of the CRC and the
Rabbis of Stamar. Please forward this email and list of companies that are
using CRC or one of their Rabbis and ADD more names of companies that use
CRC. Hang it in your shul and grocery stores. Hand it out to all your
neighbors with the pictures of them supporting the P.L.O. Hashem Yishmor!


DO NOT BUY FROM THE FOLLOWING COMPANIES THAT USE SATMAR RABBIS FOR THEIR
PRODUCTS UNTIL THEY ANNOUNCE PUBLICILY THAT THEY HAVE REVOKED THE CRC-SATMAR
(PLO LOVERS) SUPERVISION:

PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL AND ADD ANY COMPANY THAT DOES BUSINESS WITH THE
CRC OR SATMAR:

Flaum Appetizing
Golden Flow
Golden Taste
Haddar
Mayim Chaim
Mehadrin
Mehadrin Ice Cream

oleg kharintsev

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May 8, 2002, 1:03:08 AM5/8/02
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I ha
"Abe Kohen" <abek...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I have posted the message on my page.
http://www.users.cloud9.net/~lipsker/index.shtml
oleg.

Harry Weiss

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May 8, 2002, 1:15:15 AM5/8/02
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oleg kharintsev <ol...@cloud9.net> wrote:

A reminder Satmar and Neturei Karta are not the same. Satmar and the CRC
condemned the NK pro Palestinian demonstrations.

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Abe Kohen

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May 8, 2002, 8:20:18 AM5/8/02
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"Harry Weiss" <hjw...@panix.com> wrote in message
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> oleg kharintsev <ol...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>
> A reminder Satmar and Neturei Karta are not the same. Satmar and the CRC
> condemned the NK pro Palestinian demonstrations.

Sarcasm mode on.

Yes, and it was Hamas, not the PA, who blew up the pool hall in Rishon last
night. Oh, and the PA condemned it.

Sarcasm mode off.

Abe

Jeff

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May 8, 2002, 9:27:52 AM5/8/02
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The following is the exact text from an Ad. placed by the Central Rabbinical
Congress of the U.S.A. and Canada (Satmar) that appeared on p. 19 of the
Friday May 03, 2002 edition of the Jewish Press. (The Ad. appeared in both
Hebrew and English in the Yated Ne'eman as well)

______________________________________________________________________

PROCLAMATION

We hereby proclaim that we have no connection to those few individuals who
went on their own and participated in the pro-Palestinian march in
Washington on Shabbos Parshas Acharei-Kedoshim (April 20, '02).

The path they have chosen to take is a path we do not condone, and it is
known that our president, the Grand Rabbi of Satmar of blessed memory, never
agreed to such methods in protesting against Zionsim.

Our Hands are stretched forth to the heavens and we pray that the Almight-y,
in his abundant compassion, will have mercy upon the inhabitants of our holy
land who are in danger.

May we merit good tidings, salvation and consolation, and may the Almight-y
gather the Jewish people from all corners of the Earth, and we shall see
with our own eyes His return to Zion with mercy, speedily in our own days,
amen.

10th of Iyar, 5762 (April 22, '02)

The Central Rabbinical Congress (C.R.C.) of the United States and Canada

This Ad is Paid for by Friends and Supporters of the C.R.C.
____________________________________________________________________________


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Z

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May 8, 2002, 9:29:12 AM5/8/02
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In article <ab9nr1$gcrt2$1...@ID-102750.news.dfncis.de>, Abe Kohen
<abek...@yahoo.com> writes

what does CRC stand for?
Is that mehadrin the fruit company?

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Hillel Sabba Markowitz

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May 8, 2002, 11:49:25 AM5/8/02
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"Abe Kohen" <abek...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<ab9nr1$gcrt2$1...@ID-102750.news.dfncis.de>...

However, the announcement that atmar joined with the other Chassidic
and chareidi groups in condeming the traitors seems to indicate that
it is only the few idiots that are joining with the terrorists and not
the CRC-Satmar. Let's not get panicky about it.


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The fish are the Jews, Torah is our water.

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Fred Rosenblatt

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May 8, 2002, 12:40:41 PM5/8/02
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"Abe Kohen" <abek...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<ab9nr1$gcrt2$1...@ID-102750.news.dfncis.de>...
> "Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote in message
> news:ab9bhc$gelo6$1...@ID-67534.news.dfncis.de...
> > What's your problem with National Kashrut (NK) ?
> > :o)
>
>
> Noach,
>
> There is no problem with National Kashrut. The problem is with CRC-Satmar
> Supervision, as in this letter below, which I received recently.
>
> Abe
>
>
> Due to the radio blitz from SATMAR and CRC that they are against Israel and
> FOR the PALESTINIANS,

Is this on the East Coast? What are we to make of the recent release, posted
here, that Satmar is against the palestinians and violence against Jews? I
understand that it stopped short of endorsing the State of Israel.

Fred Rosenblatt

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May 8, 2002, 12:47:03 PM5/8/02
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zoe...@aol.com (Zoeliz) wrote in message news:<20020507163914...@mb-fd.aol.com>...

It is true that we tolerate and even welcome dissent to a degree
unheard
of anywhere else in the world until perhaps the relatively recent
advent
of the Western democracies, but that doesn't mean that we are unique
in this
regard. I've recently seen the internal organs of some Palestinians
who supposedly supported Israel, and when enemies that fanatic can
have members
that support the other side, there must be some on both sides of any
conflict.

Herman Rubin

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May 8, 2002, 4:45:33 PM5/8/02
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In article <20020507163914...@mb-fd.aol.com>,

It is not just minorities, but majorities as well. Also,
it is necessary to decide who is the enemy. Are the whites
the enemies of the blacks in the US?

This occurs elsewhere, including in the US. Remember the
open support of North Vietnam?

The only war in which the US participated which had
overwhelming support was WWII, and even it had those who
believed that the US should not fight on either front.
Only the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor galvanized the
country.

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Micha Berger

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May 8, 2002, 7:56:27 PM5/8/02
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In any case, you're hurting a bunch of honest businessmen and their
employees because they are getting a hechsher from a group whoser other
arm published an ad?

That's not even guilt by association -- they are barely connected
entities!

CRC is /the/ hechsher in most American chassidic communities. This will
not be seen as an anti-Satmar thing since CRC (as a kashrus organization)
and the business you're out to ruin aren't particularly Satmar.

-mi

--
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mi...@aishdas.org 5 weeks and 6 days in/toward the omer.
http://www.aishdas.org Yesod sheb'Yesod: What is the ultimate measure
Fax: (413) 403-9905 of self-control and reliability?

Jeff

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May 9, 2002, 12:13:58 AM5/9/02
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"Micha Berger" <mi...@aishdas.org> wrote in message
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> CRC is /the/ hechsher in most American chassidic communities. This will
> not be seen as an anti-Satmar thing since CRC (as a kashrus organization)
> and the business you're out to ruin aren't particularly Satmar.

And even those Chassdic communities that have vehement ideological and
political difference w/ Satmar rely on the CRC hashgacha. (w/ one exception
and even then, the objective members of that community acknowledge that the
hechsher is reliable and the ban is for political reasons, as one such
individual confided in me some years ago when telling me I personally should
rely on the hechsher without hesitancy )

>
> -mi


>
> Yesod sheb'Yesod: What is the ultimate measure

> of self-control and reliability?

To put it bluntly: keeping the 3-piece-set in check. "Does _it_ control
_you_ or do _you_ control _it_?" (you being used in the generic,
non-specific sense) is the question.

For most people it's the latter.

Jeff

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May 9, 2002, 12:45:29 AM5/9/02
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"Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote in message
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> "Micha Berger" <mi...@aishdas.org> wrote in message
> news:abce3p$h0eop$1...@ID-113975.news.dfncis.de...

> > Yesod sheb'Yesod: What is the ultimate measure


> > of self-control and reliability?
>
> To put it bluntly: keeping the 3-piece-set in check. "Does _it_ control
> _you_ or do _you_ control _it_?" (you being used in the generic,
> non-specific sense) is the question.
>
> For most people it's the latter.

Correction:
The above should have read:
"For most people it's the FORMER."

Ben Dreyfus

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May 9, 2002, 5:45:30 AM5/9/02
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And 'mid this tumult Micha Berger heard from far:

>CRC is /the/ hechsher in most American chassidic communities. This will
>not be seen as an anti-Satmar thing since CRC (as a kashrus organization)
>and the business you're out to ruin aren't particularly Satmar.

Also, there is another CRC hechsher in the midwest - the Chicago
Rabbinical Council.

--
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+----+
| 42 |
+----+

Micha Berger

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May 9, 2002, 9:52:56 AM5/9/02
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On Thu, 9 May 2002 09:45:30 +0000 (UTC), Ben Dreyfus <dre...@hcs.harvard.edu> wrote:
: Also, there is another CRC hechsher in the midwest - the Chicago
: Rabbinical Council.

To be clear, so that this stupid boycott doesn't hurt even more innocent
firms:

You guys are talking about a group that uses the emblem of "CRC" in
a rectangle.

As Ben points out, there is also the Chicago Rabbinical Council that
uses cRc in a triangle. (The "c"s are small to fit in the eaves of
the triangle.)

-mi

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Fax: (413) 403-9905 reliability crucial for universal brotherhood?

Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd. (Tirana, Albania)

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"Micha Berger" <mi...@aishdas.org> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 9 May 2002 09:45:30 +0000 (UTC), Ben Dreyfus
<dre...@hcs.harvard.edu> wrote:
> : Also, there is another CRC hechsher in the midwest - the Chicago
> : Rabbinical Council.
>
> To be clear, so that this stupid boycott doesn't hurt even more innocent
> firms:
>
> You guys are talking about a group that uses the emblem of "CRC" in
> a rectangle.

Rectangle? In my day it was a medallion shaped symbol, although perhaps the
rectangle was used on smaller labels where the medallion, which took up an
awful lot of room, could not comfortably be placed.

Ian

Dave

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May 9, 2002, 4:29:39 PM5/9/02
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The trouble is that this argument can be run against any boycott, so you
might as well say that you are against boycotts in principle.

Is CRC the same as Hisachdus HoRabonim? If so they are the main arm of
Satmer hashgoches and all their rabbis are closely affiliated to satmer, in
many cases not much more than clones.

It would also be ironic to raise objections to boycotts against satmer since
it they who have been boycotting all and sundry over the years. They boycott
belz, lubavitch, rabanut and some of them boycott Israeli products all
together. The manufacturers may be honest businessman but seldom are
boycotts to do with honesty. Whether they work is of course a different
matter but at least one is taking a stand.


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Micha Berger

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May 9, 2002, 4:42:14 PM5/9/02
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On Thu, 9 May 2002 20:29:39 +0000 (UTC), Dave <flum...@mail.com> wrote:
: The trouble is that this argument can be run against any boycott, so you

: might as well say that you are against boycotts in principle.

No. There are times when no one innocent is significantly hurt.

Here, the party being hurt the most is not the one you're trying to change.

-mi

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Harry Weiss

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May 9, 2002, 6:50:56 PM5/9/02
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"Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd. \(Tirana, Albania\)" <icsrc...@matrix.ru> wrote:


> "Micha Berger" <mi...@aishdas.org> wrote in message
> news:abdv4d$hhbl0$3...@ID-113975.news.dfncis.de...
>> On Thu, 9 May 2002 09:45:30 +0000 (UTC), Ben Dreyfus
> <dre...@hcs.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> : Also, there is another CRC hechsher in the midwest - the Chicago
>> : Rabbinical Council.
>>
>> To be clear, so that this stupid boycott doesn't hurt even more innocent
>> firms:
>>
>> You guys are talking about a group that uses the emblem of "CRC" in
>> a rectangle.

> Rectangle? In my day it was a medallion shaped symbol, although perhaps the
> rectangle was used on smaller labels where the medallion, which took up an
> awful lot of room, could not comfortably be placed.

i just looked at the box from the TV dinner I had for lunch and it is in
oblong circle.

> Ian
>>
>> As Ben points out, there is also the Chicago Rabbinical Council that
>> uses cRc in a triangle. (The "c"s are small to fit in the eaves of
>> the triangle.)
>>
>> -mi
>>
>> --
>> Micha Berger Today is the 42nd day, which is
>> mi...@aishdas.org 6 weeks in/toward the omer.
>> http://www.aishdas.org Malchus sheb'Yesod: Why is self-control and
>> Fax: (413) 403-9905 reliability crucial for universal
> brotherhood?

--

Fiona

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May 9, 2002, 7:10:30 PM5/9/02
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Harry Weiss wrote in message ...

>"Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd. \(Tirana, Albania\)" <icsrc...@matrix.ru>
wrote:
>
>
>> Rectangle? In my day it was a medallion shaped symbol, although perhaps
the
>> rectangle was used on smaller labels where the medallion, which took up
an
>> awful lot of room, could not comfortably be placed.
>
>i just looked at the box from the TV dinner I had for lunch and it is in
>oblong circle.

What is an oblong circle? Do you mean oval?


Fiona

Harry Weiss

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May 9, 2002, 7:22:37 PM5/9/02
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Fiona <fi...@intxtdoc.demon.co.uk> wrote:

oval but the long side is the horizontal.

> Fiona

Jeff

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May 10, 2002, 3:52:13 AM5/10/02
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"Abe Kohen" <abek...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Noach,

Avrememle,

>
> There is no problem with National Kashrut.

That's a matter of opinion. There are those who feel that as a general rule
it is not as reliable as the O.U.

>The problem is with CRC-Satmar
> Supervision, as in this letter below, which I received recently.
>
> Abe
>
>
> Due to the radio blitz from SATMAR and CRC that they are against Israel
and
> FOR the PALESTINIANS,

BULLSHALE!

I heard the radio ads and they merely stated that they did not participate
in the pro-Israel Rally in Washington because "Torah true Jews do not
recognize the State of Israel". There was not a word of support for the
Palestinians, whether explicit or implicit.

>we are BOYCOTTING all products of the CRC and the
> Rabbis of Stamar. Please forward this email and list of companies that
are
> using CRC or one of their Rabbis and ADD more names of companies that use
> CRC. Hang it in your shul and grocery stores. Hand it out to all your
> neighbors with the pictures of them supporting the P.L.O.

That was Neturei Karta, not Satmar.

How many times do we have to go over this?

As the CRC stated in their recent proclamation that was featured in several
newspapers:

"We hereby proclaim that we have no connection to those few individuals who
went on their own and participated in the pro-Palestinian march in
Washington on Shabbos Parshas Acharei-Kedoshim (April 20, '02)."

> Hashem Yishmor!

Yes, may G-d save us from treacherous individuals who libel devout Jews and
try to rob them of their livelihood.

> DO NOT BUY FROM THE FOLLOWING COMPANIES THAT USE SATMAR RABBIS FOR THEIR
> PRODUCTS UNTIL THEY ANNOUNCE PUBLICILY THAT THEY HAVE REVOKED THE
CRC-SATMAR
> (PLO LOVERS) SUPERVISION:
>
> PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL AND ADD ANY COMPANY THAT DOES BUSINESS WITH THE
> CRC OR SATMAR:
>
>
>
> Flaum Appetizing
> Golden Flow
> Golden Taste
> Haddar
> Mayim Chaim
> Mehadrin
> Mehadrin Ice Cream

To counter this vicious campaign against observant Jews, who in addition to
supporting large families of their own are renowned for their kindness and
hospitality toward Jews of all backgrounds, I will now make a special point
of patronizing as many Satmar and/or CRC-supervised businesses as possible
and will encourage others to do so.

For reasons of convenience, I had been using a different shechita but I will
now make a point of using Satmar shichta as much as possible.

I will also, bli neder, obtain one or more pushkehs for Satmar instiutions
and drop a coin in them each time I see a post such as yours.

You should also know that you just moved this observant but not-specifically
affiliated Jew about 50 times closer to being a full-fledged, staunch
adherent to the Satmar ideology.

Mazel tov!

Jeff

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May 10, 2002, 3:54:15 AM5/10/02
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"Harry Weiss" <hjw...@panix.com> wrote in message
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>
> i just looked at the box from the TV dinner I had for lunch and it is in
> oblong circle.

A Chassidishe hashgacha on a _T.V._ dinner?!
:o)

Surely, the hashgacha is only on the meal itself.

Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd. (Tirana, Albania)

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> "Harry Weiss" <hjw...@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:abac9i$i9o$1...@reader1.panix.com...
> > oleg kharintsev <ol...@cloud9.net> wrote:
> >
> > A reminder Satmar and Neturei Karta are not the same. Satmar and the
CRC
> > condemned the NK pro Palestinian demonstrations.


There are 3 CRC's. The Satmar CRC has a medallion shaped hechsher, and
really should not be avoided as they did condemn the Neturei Karta
mishuggeners. The MO Chicago Rabbinical Council is also CRC; their hechsher
is triangular and this organization has NOTHING to do with Satmar.

As for the third, of late a flaccid phallic shaped decal marked CRC has been
appearing on paint thinner, library paste, methanol, pork rinds, and other
appetizing products. This is the Creedmoor Rabbinical Council of the
Chassidic Community of Creedmoor K'hal Sinas Chinam. Their admou"r is a
fanatic anti-Zionist and a confirmed shoiteh (fool) who in any case is
exempt from all mitzvos, as he was proclaimed non compos mentis and resides
in the Creedmoor Psychiatric Hospital in Queens, NY. No one but the admou"r,
his gabbai Israel Tekhelet, and their many multiple personalities hold by
this hashgacha in any case, so this one is not hard to avoid.

Ian

Jonathan J. Baker

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May 10, 2002, 9:55:33 AM5/10/02
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In <aba75k$gepu6$1...@ID-67534.news.dfncis.de> "Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> writes:

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>> Noach,

>Avrememle,

Apparently, you admit it. Avremele is a form of Abe, so Noach must be
another name for "Jeff".

Welcome back, NSR.

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Jeff

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"Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote in message
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> > To put it bluntly:

I was too blunt and I hereby retract the crudeness and vulgarity in the
above post of mine.

Sammy

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May 12, 2002, 4:44:17 PM5/12/02
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"Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote in message

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> I was too blunt and I hereby retract the crudeness and vulgarity in the
> above post of mine.

Not to mention the completely unacceptable leitzonus (mocking something
sacred and/or serious). I was very disappointed in you Jeff but I'm glad
that you retracted it. It seems that Usenet can bring out your darker side,
as the post of yours referenced here seems completely out-of-line for you.

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May 12, 2002, 4:56:29 PM5/12/02
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"Sammy" <sammy...@mail.com> wrote in message
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> Not to mention the completely unacceptable leitzonus (mocking something
> sacred and/or serious). I was very disappointed in you Jeff but I'm glad
> that you retracted it. It seems that Usenet can bring out your darker
side,
> as the post of yours referenced here seems completely out-of-line for you.

Sammy, you are right and I confess that I really should not even be here for
several reasons.
I have been going through extremely difficulty times in my personal life and
have found the (fleeting) diversion from my personal stress, anxiety ,
depression and anguish that this newsgroup provides to be very difficult to
resist.

BAC...@vms.huji.ac.il

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System wrote: >Return-Path: <BAC...@vms.HUJI.AC.IL> >From:
BAC...@vms.HUJI.AC.IL >Subject: Re: Yesod sheb'Yesod: Keeping the 3-pc
Set in Check (was Re: NK > strikes again) >Message-ID:
<200205130047...@mail1.cc.huji.ac.il> >X-Scjm-Path:
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soc.culture.jewish.moderated:82673 > >>From: "Sammy"
<sammy...@mail.com> >>Subject:Re: Yesod sheb'Yesod: Keeping the 3-pc
Set in Check (was Re: NK strikes again) >>Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:44:17
+0000 (UTC) >>Message-ID:<abmhp0$j0jfd$1...@ID-67534.news.dfncis.de> >> > >>

>>"Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote in message
>>news:ablks9$j0psn$1...@ID-67534.news.dfncis.de... >> >>>I was too blunt
and I hereby retract the crudeness and vulgarity in the >>>above post of
mine. >>> >>Not to mention the completely unacceptable leitzonus (mocking

something >>sacred and/or serious). I was very disappointed in you Jeff
but I'm glad >>that you retracted it. It seems that Usenet can bring out
your darker side, >>as the post of yours referenced here seems completely
out-of-line for you. >> > > >Why does the above "dialogue" beytween
"Jeff" and "Sammy" remind me >of Norman Bates in the Hitchcock film
PSYCHO ? > >Josh > > > >> >>-- >>PLEASE REPLY IN GROUP. This address is

not checked regularly and may not be >>checked at all. Thank you and
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>From: "Sammy" <sammy...@mail.com>
>Subject:Re: Yesod sheb'Yesod: Keeping the 3-pc Set in Check (was Re: NK strikes again)
>Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 20:44:17 +0000 (UTC)
>Message-ID:<abmhp0$j0jfd$1...@ID-67534.news.dfncis.de>

>
>
>"Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote in message
>news:ablks9$j0psn$1...@ID-67534.news.dfncis.de...
>
>> I was too blunt and I hereby retract the crudeness and vulgarity in the
>> above post of mine.
>

>Not to mention the completely unacceptable leitzonus (mocking something
>sacred and/or serious). I was very disappointed in you Jeff but I'm glad
>that you retracted it. It seems that Usenet can bring out your darker side,
>as the post of yours referenced here seems completely out-of-line for you.
>


Why does the above "dialogue" beytween "Jeff" and "Sammy" remind me
of Norman Bates in the Hitchcock film PSYCHO ?

Josh

Jeff

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"Abe Kohen" <abek...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Noach,

Avrememle,

>

BULLSHALE!

> Hashem Yishmor!

Yes, may G-d save us from those individuals who libel devout Jews and


try to rob them of their livelihood.

> BE SURE TO BUY FROM THE FOLLOWING COMPANIES THAT PRODUCE FINE PRODUCTS:

> PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL AND ADD ANY COMPANY THAT DOES BUSINESS WITH THE
> CRC OR SATMAR:
>
>
>
> Flaum Appetizing
> Golden Flow
> Golden Taste
> Haddar
> Mayim Chaim
> Mehadrin
> Mehadrin Ice Cream

To counter this vicious campaign against observant Jews, who in addition to
supporting large families of their own are renowned for their kindness and
hospitality toward Jews of all backgrounds, I will now make a special point
of patronizing as many Satmar and/or CRC-supervised businesses as possible
and will encourage others to do so.

For reasons of convenience, I had been using a different shechita but I will
now make a point of using Satmar shichta as much as possible.

I will also, bli neder, obtain one or more pushkehs for Satmar instiutions
and drop a coin in them each time I see a post such as yours.

You should also know that you just moved this observant but not-specifically
affiliated Jew about 50 times closer to being a full-fledged, staunch
adherent to the Satmar ideology.

Mazel tov!

--

mos...@mm.huji.ac.il

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I have no idea. Should I know Norman Bates and the Hitchcock film
PSYCHO?

Moshe Schorr
It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov
May Eliyahu Chayim ben Sarah Henna (Eliot Shimoff) have a refuah Shlaima.

Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)

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Original dialogue between 2 multiple personalities snipped for sanity's
sake!

Josh: > > Why does the above "dialogue" beytween "Jeff" and "Sammy" remind


me
> > of Norman Bates in the Hitchcock film PSYCHO ?
>

Moshe Schorr: I have no idea. Should I know Norman Bates and the Hitchcock
film
> PSYCHO?
>
Actually, I just got a letter from the Admou"r meCreedmoor soliciting
donations to pay for the opening of the "Beis Creedmoor of the Bates Motel"
in time for Shavuos!

Ian

Sammy

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"Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote in message news:<abctek$h03fq$1...@ID-67534.news.dfncis.de>...

Jeff, there is an even more YESODisge` (fundamental) correction you
need to make here. You should retract this laitzonus and nivul peh.

BAC...@vms.huji.ac.il

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>From: "Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd \(Tirana, Albania\)" <icsrcoup...@matrix.ru>
>Subject:Re: Yesod sheb'Yesod: Keeping the 3-pc Set in Check (was Re: NK

>Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 15:14:49 +0000 (UTC)
>Message-ID:<abokcp$jov08$1...@ID-98143.news.dfncis.de>

>
>Original dialogue between 2 multiple personalities snipped for sanity's
>sake!


Two ?? Four multiple personalities, but WHO'S COUNTING ? :-)

>
>Josh: > > Why does the above "dialogue" beytween "Jeff" and "Sammy" remind
>me
>> > of Norman Bates in the Hitchcock film PSYCHO ?
>>
>Moshe Schorr: I have no idea. Should I know Norman Bates and the Hitchcock
>film
>> PSYCHO?
>>
>Actually, I just got a letter from the Admou"r meCreedmoor soliciting
>donations to pay for the opening of the "Beis Creedmoor of the Bates Motel"
>in time for Shavuos!


Does he give the *hashgacha* there too ? :-) :-)


Josh


>
>Ian

Jeff

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"Sammy" <sammy...@mail.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff, there is an even more YESODisge` (fundamental) correction you
> need to make here. You should retract this laitzonus and nivul peh.

I just did Sammy.

According to the full-headers on your post, you submitted this post several
days ago:

"X-Original-Date: 9 May 2002 11:28:18 -0700"

I have no idea why it took this long to appear; most of my posts appear
within 12-16 hours.

Abe Kohen

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"Jeff" <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote in message
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> "Sammy" <sammy...@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:36627771.02050...@posting.google.com...
>
> > Jeff, there is an even more YESODisge` (fundamental) correction you
> > need to make here. You should retract this laitzonus and nivul peh.
>
> I just did Sammy.

Which hand?

Noach, Jeff, Sammy and Onan.

When does it stop?

Abe

Harry Weiss

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Jeff <re...@group.invalid.net> wrote:

> I will also, bli neder, obtain one or more pushkehs for Satmar instiutions
> and drop a coin in them each time I see a post such as yours.

yasher koach on your increased tzedaka. I hope no will drop at least two
coins in, since you already made this promise in your prvevious
incarnation, prior to your hiatus


Of course people should now feel that anti Satmar posts are a way of
raising tzedaka. thanks for the cheap way of giving tzedka.


> Mazel tov!

> --
> Email Address invalid. Reply in group.

--

Eliyahu

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"Abe Kohen" <abek...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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You forgot N.R., which makes for all five digits... :-)
--
Eliyahu Rooff
www.geocities.com/Area51/Underworld/8096/HomePage.htm

Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)

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<BAC...@vms.HUJI.AC.IL> wrote in message
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Yes, ever since Horav Dahmer ZYL"A passed away :).

Ian

BAC...@vms.huji.ac.il

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Wasn't Harav HaGaon Dahmer shlit"a an expert in Hilchot SHECHITA ? :-)

Josh


>
>Ian

Sammy

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> >From: "Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd \(Tirana, Albania\)" <icsrcoup...@matrix.ru>
> >
> >Yes, ever since Horav Dahmer ZYL"A passed away :).
>
>
> Wasn't Harav HaGaon Dahmer shlit"a an expert in Hilchot SHECHITA ? :-)

I'm sure the families of his victims find this just hilarious.

Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)

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<BAC...@vms.HUJI.AC.IL> wrote in message
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> X-News: hujicc soc.culture.jewish.moderated:82911


>
>
> Wasn't Harav HaGaon Dahmer shlit"a an expert in Hilchot SHECHITA ? :-)

Yes, and also maachalot asurot! (and he's no longer shlit"a - he's ZYL"A!)

Ian

>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
> >
> >Ian

Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)

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"Sammy" <sammy...@mail.com> wrote in message
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Well, one does have to pity JEFF Dahmer, as he probably suffered from
multiple personality syndrome along with his other mental illnesses!

Ian

Susan Cohen

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"Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd (Tirana, Albania)" wrote:

> [snip disgusting "jokes"]


>
> Well, one does have to pity JEFF Dahmer, as he probably suffered from
> multiple personality syndrome along with his other mental illnesses!
>
> Ian

None of which makes remarks such as have been snipped
anywhere near acceptable from decent human beings.

Susan

Creedmoor Chronicles, Ltd. (Tirana, Albania)

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"Susan Cohen" <fla...@his.com> wrote in message
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And who in the world ever accused me of being decent or a human being?

Ian

Susan Cohen

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Just making sure.

Susan

Sammy* Reply in group. Address Not Checked

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"Abe Kohen" <abek...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<abb5a8$govqb$1...@ID-102750.news.dfncis.de>...

> "Harry Weiss" <hjw...@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:abac9i$i9o$1...@reader1.panix.com...
> > oleg kharintsev <ol...@cloud9.net> wrote:
> >
> > A reminder Satmar and Neturei Karta are not the same. Satmar and the CRC
> > condemned the NK pro Palestinian demonstrations.
>
> Sarcasm mode on.
>
> Yes, and it was Hamas, not the PA, who blew up the pool hall in Rishon last
> night. Oh, and the PA condemned it.
>
> Sarcasm mode off.
>
> Abe

So is there no difference between Meretz and Likud since they are both Zionist?

Abe Kohen

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"Sammy* Reply in group. Address Not Checked" <sammy...@mail.com> wrote in
message news:36627771.02060...@posting.google.com...

To an anti-Zionist like yourself, is there a difference between Meretz and
Likud? And what is the difference from your perspective?

Abe

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