STRAUSS HEART DROPS UNCLOG ARTERIES, ELIMINATE ANGINA PAIN & BY-PASS SURGERIES!
Carson
I stumbled across Heart Drops a couple of months back and it literally saved
my life. I'm so excited that I'm sharing it with you today, I'm confident
that it will make a world of difference to you or a loved one. Give it a
try, it can and will save many lives. The following is a copy of the ad that
first attracted my attention to the Heart Drops. You owe it to yourself to
have a look at this, especially if you're as at your ropes end as I was.
SINCE 1980 STRAUSS HEART DROPS HAVE HELPED.
.prevent heart attacks, strokes, & aneurisms!
.eliminate angina pain within a few days!
.unclog plugged arteries!
.shrink swollen enlarged hearts!
WHAT IF.there was no more need for heart transplants, by-pass surgeries, or
angioplasty?
100% NATURAL! NO NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS!
GUARANTEED TO WORK OR YOUR MONEY BACK.
Tuned CGC
a problem, see a cardiologist who may prescribe .4 mg nitroglycerine for the
angina, and who will then do tests to see if a blockage exists. If such a
blockage exists, the cardiologist may then do either treat a blockage with
pills, or with a stent, or with minimally invasive "keyhole" bypass, or with a
normal bypass operation.
This miracle pill is guaranteed to work or you money back? That reminds me
of the parachute guarantee. If the parachute fails to open, just bring it back
for a cheerful refund.
signed, Earl, type 2, age 62, etc. etc. etc.
Wendy Hanawalt
Carson wrote:
Jeez, I feel an attack of The Teds coming on.
I mean, just how stupid do you have to be to believe something like this?
These drops have been around for twenty years? And this is the first we've
heard of it? Shrinks enlarged hearts, unclogs plugged arteries, eliminates
angina pain, and this is the first we've heard of it? I mean, if this actually
worked, don't you think that the entire world would be onto it by now?
Oh no, wait, I forgot: it's the military-industrial-drug cabal keeping this
important medical development a secret, so they can make money on their
surgeries and medicines.
But Jeez, wouldn't word get out anyway? I mean, GUARANTEED TO WORK OR YOUR
MONEY BACK, for cryin' out loud!
P.T. Barnum would have loved the internet, wouldn't he?
Wendy
Don
don
Tuned CGC wrote in message <20000221222903...@ng-ba1.aol.com>...
hemmi...@my-deja.com
never had a loved one go through by-pass
surgery. The doctors released my husband from
the hospital and told him he had unstable angina
and to go home, and in 6-8 weeks they would
shedule him for an angiogram.
We drove to Calgary the next day for this
angiogram, they would not let him off the table
as he only had 10% left in his arteries.
What they don't tell you, is that once you have a
by-pass, you will always be open to have another
one.
My husband took chelation, and now he is on the
heart drops. They have worked wonders for his
circulation, and now he is off all the his $300 a
month medication.
If you don't believe, wait till it happens to you.
I know myself and my husband believe.
Debbie
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Randy Sigman
Ted Rosenberg
million)
Make burial arrangements immediatly - you are killing your husband !!
Remember Tyrell Dueck !
Wendy H
> I guess it might be hard for someone who has never had a loved one go
> through by-pass
> surgery. The doctors released my husband from the hospital and told
> him he had unstable angina and to go home, and in 6-8 weeks they would
> shedule him for an angiogram.
>
Why, yes I have had loved ones go through bypass surgery, as a matter of
fact.
> We drove to Calgary the next day for this angiogram, they would not
> let him off the table
> as he only had 10% left in his arteries.
>
> What they don't tell you, is that once you have a by-pass, you will
> always be open to have another one.
Yes, and so what? What do you think was the likelihood he was going to
live more than a week or two with 10% of his arteries? I hope sincerely
that your husband lives long enough to have another bypass and if he
does, it's because he had the first one.
> My husband took chelation, and now he is on the heart drops. They
> have worked wonders for his circulation, and now he is off all the his
> $300 a month medication.
And it doesn't occur to you that perhaps the reason your husband is
healthier is because of the bypass surgery?
> If you don't believe, wait till it happens to you.
>
> I know myself and my husband believe.
Well, all I can say is that a lot of intelligent people believe a lot of
really stupid things, and you are apparently one of them. When you can
come here with scientific citations for these so-called drops of yours,
then we might listen. But what you've come with is a lot of
misunderstanding, miseducation, circular arguments, misplaced faith,
etc. etc. etc. I hope you and your husband don't put your faith too
devoutly in the hands of whatever crackpots are selling you this stuff.
Wendy
-- The essence of science is restraint. Humility in the face of
overwhelming complexity. A willingness to say "I don't yet know." --
Chet Raymo
Just Me
>I guess it might be hard for someone who has
>never had a loved one go through by-pass
>surgery. The doctors released my husband from
>the hospital and told him he had unstable angina
>and to go home, and in 6-8 weeks they would
>shedule him for an angiogram.
>
>We drove to Calgary the next day for this
>angiogram, they would not let him off the table
>as he only had 10% left in his arteries.
>
>What they don't tell you, is that once you have a
>by-pass, you will always be open to have another
>one.
>
>My husband took chelation, and now he is on the
>heart drops. They have worked wonders for his
>circulation, and now he is off all the his $300 a
>month medication.
>
>If you don't believe, wait till it happens to you.
>
>I know myself and my husband believe.
>
>Debbie
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
The whole line of idiocy with this thread is overwhelming. You and your idiot
friends should take your urban tales somewhere else, and let diabetics fend for
themselves, without your interference.
The millenium arrived a year early. . .
Charles Evans
glasses.
Really!
Ted Windsor <tg...@home.com> wrote in message
news:38D420DC...@home.com...
> My wife is using the Strauss Heart Drops and has already noticed a
> difference in her blood count, she has Diabetes.
> Ted
Ted Windsor
Ted Rosenberg
>
> <spam snipped>
More crap from Ted Windsor's Snake Oil Sales
hemmi...@my-deja.com
In article
<87A850D051B52DFC.3AA92A63...@lp.airnews.net>,
"Charles Evans" <cev...@pdq.net> wrote:
> And I suppose her ingrown toenails are now outgrown and she no longer
needs
> glasses.
> Really!
>
> Ted Windsor <tg...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:38D420DC...@home.com...
Randy Sigman
> My wife is using the Strauss Heart Drops and has already noticed a
> difference in her blood count, she has Diabetes.
> Ted
So you are saying that heart drops cause diabetes. Thanks for warning
us. Now even the 1% of idiots who might have fallen for the snake oil
will know better!
hemmi...@my-deja.com
Have you even seen or tried the Heart drops? Don't knock before you
try!! Keep an open mind.
At one time all the intellectual people in the world thought the world
was flat. Only a few heritics thought otherwise.
Which catagory do you fall into?
In article <kYcB4.2$5K2....@news.pcnet.com>,
hemmi...@my-deja.com
At one time all the intellectual people in the world thought that the
earth was flat. Only a few heritics thought otherwise.
Which one of these are you?
Wendy H
hemmi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Have you tried the Heart Drops? Or anyone you know?
> At one time all the intellectual people in the world thought that the
> earth was flat. Only a few heritics thought otherwise.
This is a standard response from people who are trying to sell something
that is completely untested, unproven, and undoubtedly useless. Oh well,
Galileo was considered a fool in his time TOO.
Just because the world isn't flat, it doesn't MEAN that these drugs aren't
crap.
This particular product is upsetting, because either it is too small
amount of any of its ingredients to be in any way useful, or it can
actually be dangerous to people with heart conditions who are, for
instance, taking blood thinners -- and I would suspect that many, if not
most, people diagnosed with cardiovascular disease ARE on blood thinners.
Some of the herbs used in these drops (and the drops are really nothing
more than a collection of readily-available herbs) are known to thin
blood, extremely dangerous for someone who is already thinning their blood
medically, under a doctor's supervision. So the argument that these drops
are harmless is a lie.
There are some snake oil products touted around here that are undoubtedly
harmless -- you'll lose your money but little else. There are others,
like this one, which are potentially dangerous.
Ted Rosenberg
>
> Have you tried the Heart Drops? Or anyone you know?
> At one time all the intellectual people in the world thought that the
> earth was flat. Only a few heritics thought otherwise.
>
You are ia ignorent as you are venal - your history is incorrect, and
you are a dangerous fraud
Randy Sigman
> Have you even seen or tried the Heart drops? Don't knock before you
> try!! Keep an open mind.
I do have an open mind. I am just not the fool you take me for. You instill
ZERO confidence in your product. You will likely sell that much of it. Aside
from breaking every rule in the book posting here, you are simply a fraud.
> At one time all the intellectual people in the world thought the world
> was flat. Only a few heritics thought otherwise.
The fact that there were visionaries hundreds of years ago does not make
you one of them.
> Which catagory do you fall into?
smarter than you, I'd guess. I don't have hundreds of gallons of worthless
crap to unload. :)
> In article <kYcB4.2$5K2....@news.pcnet.com>,
> Randy Sigman <rsi...@pcnet1.pcnet.com> wrote:
>> In misc.health.diabetes Ted Windsor <tg...@home.com> wrote:
>> > My wife is using the Strauss Heart Drops and has already noticed a
>> > difference in her blood count, she has Diabetes.
>> > Ted
>>
>> So you are saying that heart drops cause diabetes. Thanks for warning
>> us. Now even the 1% of idiots who might have fallen for the snake oil
>> will know better!
>>
>>
Randy Sigman
got my diabetes!
hemmi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Have you tried the Heart Drops? Or anyone you know?
> At one time all the intellectual people in the world thought that the
> earth was flat. Only a few heritics thought otherwise.
> Which one of these are you?
> In article <kYcB4.2$5K2....@news.pcnet.com>,
Just Me
>
>
>Have you even seen or tried the Heart drops? Don't knock before you
>try!! Keep an open mind.
>
>At one time all the intellectual people in the world thought the world
>was flat. Only a few heritics thought otherwise.
>
>Which catagory do you fall into?
>
>
Would you believe intelligent? You are using an old familiar put down, that if
I don't agree with you, I am a heretic, and should be avoided. Yet you have no
proof and none exists in the scientific field as to the effectiveness of your so
called nostrum. Why don't you get lost!!
Neil Wen
I'd like to find out if there is any conference concerning
biological pharmacy, immunity, microbacteria, infecious disease, cancer
therapy in Canada especially in GTA this year. If any choice, please contact
me.
(E-mail:nei...@hotmail.com or wenji...@hotmail.com)
Thanks
Neil
Ted Windsor <tg...@home.com> wrote in message
news:38D420DC...@home.com...
> My wife is using the Strauss Heart Drops and has already noticed a
> difference in her blood count, she has Diabetes.
> Ted
>
Ted Windsor
pharmaceutical company or have been educated to a degree of stupidity. I
sincerely hope that none of you are ever in the position of having a
serious health challenge, all of you must also get a kick out of
watching your friends die, surely you know one person with heart
problems? The best thing you could do for them is to let them try
Strauss Heart Drops. If you were to do this, it would be interesting to
hear your opinion as to the results.
Blessings
Ted
Doug Bailey
>Bless you Mr. Rosenberg!
<Massive drivel snipped>
Not to belabour the obvious, Ted, but if there were the slightest
degree of validity to the crap you're promoting, you wouldn't have to
promote it on a usenet newsgroup. Since you do, there isn't. Just for
amusements sake I'm forwarding copies of your postings to the Consumer
Fraud Division of the State Attorney General's office.
We don't need con-men, spammers or snake oil salesmen here.
Bob Stewart
Wendy H
Doug Bailey wrote:
And, as I posted the last time this asshole or one of his buddies posted
about this crap, people on blood thinners should be ESPECIALLY careful
about it, since it contains herbal remedies which are known for their
blood thinning properties and could cause serious consequences -- yes,
even death -- if mixed with a blood thinner like coumadin. This despite
the fact that their website asserts that it's perfectly harmless to be
combined with prescription medicines. (But I'm sure they just say that
so the unsuspecting souls who buy it won't think it necessary to mention
it to their doctors, who would TELL them that it's useless, worthless
crap.)
These Strauss drops are nothing more than a combination of common herbal
remedies, most of which are known to "increase circulation" -- the way
they seem to do it, according to scientific studies, is by thinning the
blood. It never ceases to amaze me that people will believe that an
herbal remedy is potent enough to do some good but NOT potent enough to
do some harm. That's not the way it works, either in the world of herbal
remedies or prescription medications. There's a yin for every yang.
Wendy
--
Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.
Wendy H
Ted Windsor wrote:
> . I
> incerely hope that none of you are ever in the position of having a
> serious health challenge, all of you must also get a kick out of
> watching your friends die, surely you know one person with heart
> problems?
No, I don't enjoy watching my friends die, which is why I'd never recommend
your crap to any of them.
By the way, do you think you could possibly crosspost to any more
newsgroups? I think you missed a few. misc.support.chihuahuaowners might
be interested in hearing from you as well. Sure sign of a spammer -- count
the crossposts.
Get lost.
Bob Stewart
prescribe something as serious as heart remedies?
"Ted Windsor" <tg...@home.com> wrote in message
news:3901BD0D...@home.com...
> Bless you Mr. Rosenberg! You Wendy, and Charles must either work for a
> pharmaceutical company or have been educated to a degree of stupidity. I
> serious health challenge, all of you must also get a kick out of
> watching your friends die, surely you know one person with heart
Just Me
>Bless you Mr. Rosenberg! You Wendy, and Charles must either work for a
>pharmaceutical company or have been educated to a degree of stupidity. I
>sincerely hope that none of you are ever in the position of having a
>serious health challenge, all of you must also get a kick out of
>watching your friends die, surely you know one person with heart
>problems? The best thing you could do for them is to let them try
>Strauss Heart Drops. If you were to do this, it would be interesting to
>hear your opinion as to the results.
>Blessings
>Ted
>
>Ted Rosenberg wrote:
>
>> Ted Windsor wrote:
>> >
>> > <spam snipped>
>>
>> More crap from Ted Windsor's Snake Oil Sales
This guy has been here before. He was exposed, and now he is exposed again for
an obvious fraud, and as a reward, we are all called names, in a vain attempt to
make us look bad. He says that the best thing we can do for humanity is to let
this liar pander his trash. We don't want opinions. . . we need reality since
our problem is not a fantasy.
Charles Evans
> pharmaceutical company or have been educated to a degree of stupidity.
I worked for one of America's largest corporations for 38 years and retired
as a respectable member of middle-management of that company. I then
established my own corporation, which grew into a multi-million dollar,
multi-national company before I retired as CEO three years ago.
There was nothing particularly distinguishing about my education, except it
helped me realize the foregoing accomplishments. I can hardly think that
would be considered to have been "educated to a degree of stupidity."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>I sincerely hope that none of you are ever in the position of having a
> serious health challenge, all of you must also get a kick out of
> watching your friends die, surely you know one person with heart
> problems?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Well, let's see.
How about a disabling heart attack that took away 40% of the heart capacity?
How about carotid artery disease that created 90% blockage of one of the
arteries, requiring surgery?
How about subsequent coronary blockage requiring an angioplasty and
insertion of a stent?
How about peripheral artery disease that, coupled with neuropathy, restricts
the ability to walk any distance?
Are *these* the types of serious health challenges you hope I never have?
Sorry, been there and done that -- without your cockamamie elixir -- and
survived.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>The best thing you could do for them is to let them try
> Strauss Heart Drops. If you were to do this, it would be interesting to
> hear your opinion as to the results.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
The best thing I can do, and have done, is to encourage my friends and
relatives to seek competent medical treatment form a bona fide medical
professional -- not some itinerant peddler, who tries to take advantage of
the aged, ill, and others, who can be whipped up into a frenzy by your scare
tactics and claims, unsupported by medical proof.
One of my doctors in Houston went to Russia as a part of the team with
Michael DeBakey in the Boris Yeltsin surgery 2 or 3 years ago. Should I try
to have him contact DeBakey and tell him that he's been doing it wrong all
these years?
I really don't know what kind of a person can, without any pangs of
conscience, prey off people, who cannot help themselves. You should be
ashamed ! ! ! ! Now, get lost.
Charles Evans
Ted Windsor
charged twice in Canada, first by Health Canada and second by the B.C
Medical Association, for practicing medicine without a licenses, in both
cases the charges were dropped. This is a health news group and therefore
should be promoting any articles that provide an answer that will improve
a persons health, I cannot understand why certain individuals are against
this. If any information is provided that you don't approve of just
ignore it, and move on to the next posting.
Blessings
Ted
Doug Bailey wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:58:01 GMT, Ted Windsor <tg...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >Bless you Mr. Rosenberg!
>
Ted Windsor
of heart disease.
Blessings
Ted
Bob Stewart wrote:
> Ted, are you a doctor, or have some sort of medical training, to be able to
> prescribe something as serious as heart remedies?
> "Ted Windsor" <tg...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:3901BD0D...@home.com...
> > Bless you Mr. Rosenberg! You Wendy, and Charles must either work for a
> > pharmaceutical company or have been educated to a degree of stupidity. I
> > sincerely hope that none of you are ever in the position of having a
> > serious health challenge, all of you must also get a kick out of
> > watching your friends die, surely you know one person with heart
> > problems? The best thing you could do for them is to let them try
> > Strauss Heart Drops. If you were to do this, it would be interesting to
> > hear your opinion as to the results.
Guy Williams
>Bob: I promote exactly what Jim Strauss states. He guarantees to cure any kind
>of heart disease.
>Blessings
>Ted
>
>From Guy Williams
I reserve any opinion of what you said.
However it is obvious that your postings are not welcome
here. Any reasonable person would get the message.
You have had your say. Please cease to bother
us.
I must say that there are certain standards of conduct
that I adhere to. As I am far into the game this I can
be proud for. I fail to understand a lot of people. The
short time gains that I might have realized by other
conduct are meaningless for me now.
Danieljsza
>From: Ted Windsor tg...@home.com
>Date: 4/26/2000 1:25 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <390733C4...@home.com>
BUT you are violating the charter of this group by promoting a commercial
product for sale so it is illegal for you to sell or promote them here.
Violating the charters of newsgroups can lead to your isp cancelling your
account if enough people complain and one thing is certain about M.H.D.
people will complain.
Complaints have been entered into the state attorney's office here and have
been sent to FDA and FTC about your posts and harrassments of the people here
that have at first kindly asked you to stop posting.
You are making medical claims about a non-medical product which is clearly
against the law.
AKA dani...@midkan.net T2 14 yrs(orals for 13 1/2) now on insulin(R+N)
Doug Bailey
<drivel snipped>
Since you give the appearance of being cognitively challenged, perhaps
I should repeat the simple premise I stated to you which apparently
provoked your current round of drivel:
IF THERE WAS THE SLIGHTEST SHRED OF VALIDITY TO THE CRAP YOU PURVEY,
YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO SHILL IT IN A USENET NEWSGROUP. SINCE YOU
APPARENTLY DO NEED TO SHILL IT IN A USENET NEWSGROUP, PRIMA FACIE,
THERE IS NO VALIDITY WHATSOEVER TO YOUR SILLY CLAIMS.
Thank you, go away, and stop trying to deceive decent people.
Wendy H
Ted Windsor wrote:
> Bob: I promote exactly what Jim Strauss states. He guarantees to cure any kind
> of heart disease.
> Blessings
> Ted
Let's see that cure performed in a clinical setting with actual scientists
watching. Until then, shut up and go away.
Wendy
Ted Rosenberg
Ted Windsor wrote:
>
<more crap>
LOOK ASSHOLE - YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE GROUP CHARTER
In addition you are a fraud and a crook
GO AWAY !!!
Ted Windsor
happy to oblige. Perhaps the following will be of interest.
Food for thought
Evaluating Modern Medicine
How Scientific is it?
“Only 15% of all contemporary clinical interventions are supported by objective
scientific evidence that they do more good then harm.”
Kerr White, MD, retired deputy director for Health science, Rockfeller Foundation
and a pioneer in evidence-based medicine.
Fifteen per cent in not much on which to base faith in the “Science” of medicine.
Like bypass surgery, for instance. Heart bypass has never been scientifically
validated by double-blind studies, yet this barbaric procedure is common practice
in North America and abroad. Heart surgeons routinely do from three to seven
bypasses operations in a single day and the procedure is recommended to hundreds of
thousands of patients without making them aware of either the risks (brain damage)
or the alternatives (diet, ethylene diamine tetra-acetic acid (EDTA) chelation and
oral chelation). Doctors continue to staunchly defend their entrenched technology
and scorn alternatives, yet every now and then a hint of doubt creeps into their own
literature. Where is evidence of believable, proven science?
Alternative Evidence
A study of 11,000 Americans over 10 years recorded that vitamin C cuts heart disease
almost in half (the Quality of Medical Literature: An Analysis of Validation
assessment,
William/Goldschmidt/Cotton)
German researcher Dr Matthias Rath claims the correct vitamin C therapy, along with
appropriate changes in diet and lifestyle, can eradicate heart disease all together!
Drs Evan and Wilfred Shute did out standing research on vitamin E therapy for heart
disease in the 1960s and 70s. They used doses far in excess of the recommended
daily allowances (RDAs) to alleviate vitamin E deficiency, rightly insisting that
cardiovascular problems are the result of poor diet, (that is, white flour products
deficient in fiber and wheat germ). In May 1993 the New England Journal of Medicine
compared the results of an eight-year study of more then 87,000 registered Nurses to
a related study involving 40,000 male health professionals. In both studies
participants who consumed at least 100 international units (IU) of vitamin E for a
minimum of two years had a 40% lower risk of heart disease! (The revolutionary
Shute research far out stripped this more conservative study in heart health
success!)
The American Medical Association reports that 106,000 people die each year from
correct use of doctor-prescribed drugs: (Ralph Nader says 350,000)and one third of
all deaths in the United states is the results of medical malpractice (iatrogenic
death).
By contrast, the FDA reports an average of only 16 dietary supplement-related deaths
annually, and even these are either the result of contaminated batches (such as
L-tryptophan) or inaccurate reporting of the product (vitaminA).
Blessings
Ted
fenc...@map.com
>
> Let's see that cure performed in a clinical setting with actual scientists
> watching. Until then, shut up and go away.
>
Your answer contained none of the above, so why the hell are you back?
I've been following your MLM drivel from the outset, and hoping that
you'd go away myself.
You are, without question, nominated to the "major asshole group", of
jerks who pander to MHD and refuse to leave. You've equated yourself to
Betty Martooni, Mark Pewter, et al.
Take a freegin hike will ya Ted?
You've been spewing your crap here long enough. Let's get back to
discussing diabetes, and what we can do about it. Leave the fairy tales
to alt.children.
Ted Windsor wrote:
>
<<crap>>
--
Dave -- Monday, May 01, 2000
t2 8/98 Glucophage & Aspartame
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Charles Evans
wonderful drops (sideways) where the title would indicate.
I have warned you previously in a private message to stay away from me via
e-mail. Now, I am ratcheting that warning up to include contact with this
newsgroup. Let me print it out in bold letters so there's no way you could
overlook it:
THE NEXT TIME YOU POST ANY MESSAGE HERE ADVERTISING ANY PRODUCT OR ALLUDING
TO ANY BENEFITS WHICH YOU SAY MAY ARISE FROM THE USE OF ANY OR YOUR
PRODUCTS, I *WILL* SPARE NO EXPENSE TO TRACK YOU DOWN AND ENSURE THAT YOU
PAY DEARLY UNDER THE LAW FOR YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS.
Your advertising is/has been against the rules of this newsgroup, and your
continued arrogance defies rational thinking. For one last time:
PLEASE LEAVE THIS NEWSGROUP ALONE AND GO SOMEPLACE ELSE TO PEDDLE YOUR
PAPERS.
Charles Evans
Ted Rosenberg
Ted Windsor wrote:
>
<more crap from Ted Windsor - snake oil salesman and all time asshole !>
This is a standardized anti-fraud FLAME, brought to you by the
denizens of MHD.
This is in response to a spam/scam originating at one or more of the
following Scammers or scams: Chromium Piccolate; Metabolite; Strauss
Heart Drops; Healingway; Hulda Clark; Suzanne Henniig; Blue-green Algae;
"Mary Fuller, RN"; PlanetRx; Anglefire; Angie Koehl "Lay Nutritionist";
recaptureyouth; Dave Groves;Noni Juice; Canue; Betty Martini; Mark Gold;
Bob Cohen;"Aspartame is bad"; Stevia; Tom (Hemmingway) Watchman; The
Anti Dairy coalition; Rexall; Magnetic inserts; Ted Windsor; Marshall
Dermer; Tom Dunkalee; Potash Ben Zion; Mark Lappin; Dan Pistor; Sahaja
Sthithi Yoga; lpjen; Tom Dunklee; BigBopper; Tom Oliver; NEurocare;
epscorp; healthmednet; Mimex; Troy Jennings; Life Extension Foundation;
Shawnnd22;...
So take your snake oil and GO AWAY
REMEMBER TYRELL DUECK !!!
Wendy H
> Wendy: if you could produce an unbasis scientific clinical study group, I would be
> happy to oblige.
Once again, you're full of crap. "Unbiased" is inherent in the definition of a
scientific study. That's part of the purpose of double blind studies and peer review.
Duh. But what YOU mean when you say "unbiased" is one that accepts your point of view
beforehand. That's not "unbiased," that's biased towards you.
> Perhaps the following will be of interest.
> Food for thought
I don't know what I did to inherit you.
> Evaluating Modern Medicine
>
> How Scientific is it?
>
> “Only 15% of all contemporary clinical interventions are supported by objective
> scientific evidence that they do more good then harm.”
Well, that sounds like an argument for MORE scientific study, not less. Are you
actually trying to argue that because so much medical treatment is NOT scientifically
proven that therefore, we should be willing to try ANY product that is not
scientifically proven? Just how stupid are you?
> I'm not going to go through your whole list of stuff, because it's just a bunch of
> "alternative medicine" propaganda and bullshit. You've got a lot of unproven
> assertions and downright lies masquerading as evidence of something. Heart disease
> caused by white flour? Jeez, call the AHA -- they'll be thrilled to hear THAT. The
> cure is at hand.
> The American Medical Association reports that 106,000 people die each year from
> correct use of doctor-prescribed drugs: (Ralph Nader says 350,000)and one third of
> all deaths in the United states is the results of medical malpractice (iatrogenic
> death).
Again, if those figures are true, that only argues in favor of more, not less,
scientific study. As for the "one third of all deaths" in the United States being the
result of medical malpractice, that's bullshit, pure and simple. That's just plainly
and simply a lie.
> By contrast, the FDA reports an average of only 16 dietary supplement-related deaths
> annually, and even these are either the result of contaminated batches (such as
> L-tryptophan) or inaccurate reporting of the product (vitaminA).
So? I bet there have been no deaths from chocolate consumption. Does that mean that
chocolate cures heart disease? No, it means that anyone selling chocolate as a cure
for heart disease would be a liar and a thief.
Go away.
Just Me
>Wendy: if you could produce an unbasis scientific clinical study group, I would be
>happy to oblige. Perhaps the following will be of interest.
>Food for thought
>
>Evaluating Modern Medicine
>
>How Scientific is it?
>
The best thing would to be to cover you completely with Preparation H, and maybe
you would go away.
Or do you need the silver bullet?
rick...@gmail.com
> hemmi...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > Have you tried the Heart Drops? Or anyone you know?
> > earth was flat. Only a few heritics thought otherwise.
>
> This is a standard response from people who are trying to sell something
> that is completely untested, unproven, and undoubtedly useless. Oh well,
> Galileo was considered a fool in his time TOO.
>
> Just because the world isn't flat, it doesn't MEAN that these drugs aren't
> crap.
>
> This particular product is upsetting, because either it is too small
> amount of any of its ingredients to be in any way useful, or it can
> actually be dangerous to people with heart conditions who are, for
> instance, taking blood thinners -- and I would suspect that many, if not
> most, people diagnosed with cardiovascular disease ARE on blood thinners.
> Some of the herbs used in these drops (and the drops are really nothing
> more than a collection of readily-available herbs) are known to thin
> blood, extremely dangerous for someone who is already thinning their blood
> medically, under a doctor's supervision. So the argument that these drops
> are harmless is a lie.
>
> There are some snake oil products touted around here that are undoubtedly
> harmless -- you'll lose your money but little else. There are others,
> like this one, which are potentially dangerous.
>
>
> Wendy
>
> -- The essence of science is restraint. Humility in the face of
> overwhelming complexity. A willingness to say "I don't yet know." --
> Chet Raymo
.......
I had a triple bypass about five years ago. It did help a lot and I'm sure it saved my life. I have never fully recovered it was hard to get back into shape because my body just would not go. Last year I started going downhill again so I decided to experiment. I started quitting taking the pills one at a time and each time my health improved just a little. At least my heart would pump faster when I needed it and I could walk about half a mile before I would power out.
A few months ago I started the Strauss heart drops. I didn't expect it would do much but what the hell do I have to lose? I don't take the amount they recommend for fear of liver damage or some other thing nobody knows about yet but take it twice a day.
Three days ago I walked half a mile up a steep logging road and wasn't even winded yet so I grabbed about fourty pounds of stuff and walked back to my truck and felt pretty good. I couldn't even go a hundred yards up that steep road six months ago. I tried that's why my stuff was still up there.
So what I'm saying is it seems to be working and it would be a shame to see it go off the market because I would miss it for sure. Oh by the way I don't believe all they claim either but so far so good.
I posted this after reading so many negative posts by people that have no need to try it. I also know that this does not prove anything. It didn't stop the pains in my chest or the numbness in my arms. No magic bullet but things that help a bit. I'm 67 years old and feel it and have no reason to bs anybody so if somebody wants an update when I have used it for a few months longer feel free to email me. ri...@lookieloo.net We shall test this snake oil. lol.