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You'll hear Qui-Gon calling out your name and going "NOOooo...!!"
Just want to preface this by saying that reading all these discussions
about the movie is almost as much fun as watching the movie (and I
mean that in a good way). Also, it's damn hard to keep an AOTC review
brief, which I guess is good, too (for AOTC, not us):
1. Some people will laugh at anything during the trailers.
2. The camera panning up instead of down was almost mentally
jarring... and an interesting change of pace.
3. Other different aspects that stand out: The atmosphere (now I know
why George wanted to "expand" original trilogy settings so badly after
seeing this. TPM didn't blow me away like the Coruscant chase alone
did here) and really dark and disturbing stuff like Anakin's big
Tusken monologue. The way AOTC "feels" similar to the other movies and
yet SO different in others makes me want to call this the 2-headed SW
episode. (Oh, and there seemed to be an awful lot of beheading in this
one. Isn't that why "Sleepy Hollow" got an R?)
4. At the same time, it succeeded to be both darker and funnier than
TPM, in an ESB way. As cartoony as it was, 3PO switching heads with a
battle droid absolutely fits his hapless nature. "I was programmed for
protocol not destruction!" (or however it goes... it'll take us a
while to get these things right)
5. Speaking of dialogue, there seemed to be a lot of Dr. McCoy-ish
"___, not ___" lines early on.
6. The idea was interesting, but R2 makes for a rather lazy
watch-droid.
7. I'm almost embarrassed to admit I had to think a second before
getting the "Youll be the death of me" line.
8. When Anakin says something like "Don't worry... we've got R2"
line, I swear I could see that coming. And maybe it was just
"overacting," but for some reason the way Portman laughs almost makes
me think this was an ad-lib, but that could never happen in a
Lucas-directed movie... could it?
9. Obi-Wan having to ask Yoda about what happened to Kamino in the
Jedi maps: I'm thinking George was trying to put forth the idea that
adults overcomplicate things and sometimes you need to have a kid's
simple perspective on things (or a 900-year old's).
10. In both prequels now, we never see a first-person POV of a
hyperspace jump. What gives? Has it become too cliche to use now?
(wouldn't that be ironic)
11. Some people thought Obi-Wan didn't care much about droids because
he never thanks the one that serves him a drink in TPM, but since
Qui-Gon didn't either, I never really believed it. Now with Obi-Wan
leaving poor R4 in the rain the whole time, I'm starting to wonder...
(But then again, Luke was fond of R2, and he left him in the rain on
Dagobah.)
12. The TV commercial ruined the surprise of it, but it was cool
seeing Jango actually USE that darn rocket-launcher. Also, I wish
Jango had more personality... Couldn't he have been like, sarcastic,
or an over-protective father? Seemed like a one-note grump.
13. A trailer also ruined the surprise of Obi-Wan being attacked
while sending a hologram message, but interestingly the trailer was
misleading about what actually happens.
14. When I saw ANH and Empire a few weeks before AOTC to "get in the
mood," it wasn't until Empire that I could almost see Hayden in the
Vader suit, when Vader's first appearance (behind-the-back) resembles
Anakin's similar pose in one of the trailers... Unfortunately it turns
out he's meditating with his eyes closed and not looking out to the
horizon.
15. When 3PO lectures R2 about being programmed to understand human
nature, it seemed like a comic setup for Amidala or Anakin to peek in
and say "C'mon!" although I'm not sure if there would've been a reason
for it. It would've happened in the OT!
16. Is it just me or are the Neimodians sounding more like Mojo Jojo?
I love that evil monkey, but since he's more obviously supposed to
sound Asian, I wonder if that's a good thing. On a similar note,
what's up with the Geonosians' language? There'll be flak for that
one.
17. It's almost fitting that Sith HQ is in Coruscant's "industrial
district."
18. It's interesting how Ben insists that Ani join him fight against
Dooku. I guess 2-on-1 advantages are de rigueur for Jedi against a
Sith.
19. I loved the way Dooku coaxes Yoda into a duel with the
delightfully-delivered "test of skill!" line. And the way Yoda almost
talks down to Dooku like a misbehaving student... "Dooku... <shakes
head> I'm disappointed in you. You should know better." (*not actual
line)
20. And there's something funny something about the idea of the
dignified Lee being the first actor to clash lightsabers with a CGI
character (ie, he was standing on a blue-screen set waving his
sword around), not to mention the CGI character being 2-ft tall and
900 yrs old.
21. Dooku's calm, efficient dueling style almost looks like Vader's in
ESB. Watching Dooku taunt Obi-Wan (taunts are back!), the
duel-in-the-dark, Anakin's double saber work, and Yoda, I couldn't
help but think it was better than Episode I's, as much as I loved
that.
22. "This party's over!" *was* cheesy, but I'm glad it was Jackson who
delivers it. Although, if Yoda had said "Over, this party is!"...
23. It's almost fitting that Sith HQ is in Coruscant's "industrial
district."
24. Is there a somber, reflective "Obi-Wan/Force theme-Binary Sunset"
moment in I and II? In ESB I guess it was the build-up to the final
shot, in ROTJ it was Vader's funeral.
25. It's cool hearing about Hayden and Ewan wanting to practice early
for their "fight scene to end all fight scenes" in Episode III, and
I'd like to reiterate my trivial wish to see both characters using the
same color blade. It would be perfect visually (can't tell who's who
in the wide shots -- which I fear crazy old George would take as a
negative) and metaphorically (good vs. good), and it would just be
something we haven't seen before. Since Obi-Wan seems to prefer blue,
and Anakin's last Jedi saber was apparently the one given to Luke, it
looks like it has to happen.
26. Doesn't Anakin's bionic hand look, well, creepy? As for the
wedding seemingly happening so soon, after all they'd been through in
the battle, I can sort of see why they do it.
27. End credits... I could be wrong, but weren't Hamill, Fisher, and
Ford's names in the credits always in the same line? Episode I and
II's main three actors are listed separately both times. Is it an ego
thing?
28. Speaking of end credits, it's awfully cool seeing a "Maeda" buried
in there (even more so than seeing one as a writer on the X-Files).
Alas, I think it'll be the closest I'll ever get to that, unless I do
the catering or get a special thanks for lending George my lawn for a
scene.
29. With things like Crazy Fightin' Yoda and the music actually
breaking up when the first kiss ends abruptly, while those moments
were memorable, it seems to make AOTC teeter on the brink of
self-parody. Self-deprecating crowd-pleasing fun, or a negative jolt
back into reality?
30. Basically, I'll have to watch it several more times to figure out
how much I like it, but the crowd's reaction to "CFY" was almost worth
the full-price ticket alone. Watching the movie for the first time
with a full theater is the only way to go... mostly. Oh, and being 95%
spoiler-free helps. Damn that 5%.
Okay, this is more a Spider-Man thing to sign off with, but how is the
idea of Peter calling Mary Jane an "angel" as a kid any different than
Anakin doing the same with Padme, which got lambasted? And was that
line more than coincidence, or do boys these days actually confuse
cute girls with angels? On that note, I'm wishing Lucas had allowed
himself to have Anakin roll his eyes and sarcastically/ironically
mutter "yippee." at some point in AOTC.
Ken
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> cute girls with angels? On that note, I'm wishing Lucas had allowed
> himself to have Anakin roll his eyes and sarcastically/ironically
> mutter "yippee." at some point in AOTC.
LOL! That actually would have been one reference parody that I would have
actually found quite funny! Alas, I don't think it'll be in character for
the next movie... (-:
Kothos
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>2. The camera panning up instead of down was almost mentally
>jarring... and an interesting change of pace.
It seemed surprising, but I forgot about it during the movie. After
the "Sound of Music" bit, though, I think I know why it was there. To
serve notice to the fans: they WILL be tweaked.
So Jar-Jar is NOT going to be blown up in a messy way in the next
movie. If we see him at all.
>7. I'm almost embarrassed to admit I had to think a second before
>getting the "Youll be the death of me" line.
I felt, almost immediately, the overwhelming urge to say "Trust your
feelings, Obi-Wan."
>9. Obi-Wan having to ask Yoda about what happened to Kamino in the
>Jedi maps: I'm thinking George was trying to put forth the idea that
>adults overcomplicate things and sometimes you need to have a kid's
>simple perspective on things (or a 900-year old's).
Presumably, the Archives have a *very* good reputation for being
tamper-resistant.
>15. When 3PO lectures R2 about being programmed to understand human
>nature, it seemed like a comic setup for Amidala or Anakin to peek in
>and say "C'mon!" although I'm not sure if there would've been a reason
>for it. It would've happened in the OT!
It was a comic setup for what *did* happen... or a comic setup for
parts of ESB and other movies in the series that show people running
off recklessly into danger without thinking their droids could help
them.
>25. It's cool hearing about Hayden and Ewan wanting to practice early
>for their "fight scene to end all fight scenes" in Episode III,
I'm surprised that a Vader/Obi-Wan fight seen is needed for that film.
But I'm sure Lucas can work one in somehow.
John Savard
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> You'll hear Qui-Gon calling out your name and going "NOOooo...!!"
Okay.
> 2. The camera panning up instead of down was almost mentally
> jarring... and an interesting change of pace.
Didn't notice it until people around here started pointing it out.
> 4. At the same time, it succeeded to be both darker and funnier than
> TPM, in an ESB way. As cartoony as it was, 3PO switching heads with a
> battle droid absolutely fits his hapless nature. "I was programmed for
> protocol not destruction!" (or however it goes... it'll take us a
> while to get these things right)
Us? ;p
> 7. I'm almost embarrassed to admit I had to think a second before
> getting the "Youll be the death of me" line.
GASP! For shame, Ken, for shame!!
> 9. Obi-Wan having to ask Yoda about what happened to Kamino in the
> Jedi maps: I'm thinking George was trying to put forth the idea that
> adults overcomplicate things and sometimes you need to have a kid's
> simple perspective on things (or a 900-year old's).
A little too much, in this case: I figured it was deleted from the archives
while Obi-Wan was still looking for it.
> 11. Some people thought Obi-Wan didn't care much about droids because
> he never thanks the one that serves him a drink in TPM, but since
> Qui-Gon didn't either, I never really believed it. Now with Obi-Wan
> leaving poor R4 in the rain the whole time, I'm starting to wonder...
> (But then again, Luke was fond of R2, and he left him in the rain on
> Dagobah.)
When I saw R4, I kept repeating that line from ANH in my head: "I never
remember owning a droid."
*sniff sob* Obi-Wan, you insensitive bastard... *sob sniff*
> 16. Is it just me or are the Neimodians sounding more like Mojo Jojo?
> I love that evil monkey, but since he's more obviously supposed to
> sound Asian, I wonder if that's a good thing. On a similar note,
> what's up with the Geonosians' language? There'll be flak for that
> one.
Nute Gunray and his Neimodian pal (wish it had been Rune Haako, dang it!)
sounded different, and a little worse, in AOTC than they all did in TPM.
Guess they saw that whole "racist dialect" talk and tried to change things a
bit.
Mojo Jojo.....teehee, I gotta listen to them talk again to get that voice
firmly implanted into my head. :p
And the Geonosians...........very peculiar, but at least it's not "racist."
> 24. Is there a somber, reflective "Obi-Wan/Force theme-Binary Sunset"
> moment in I and II? In ESB I guess it was the build-up to the final
> shot, in ROTJ it was Vader's funeral.
They played the Binary Sunset theme in this one; just before Anakin goes
Tusken-hunting. And it was a "tender" moment with Anakin and Padme, so there
was some drama crap in there too... ;p
I *so* wanted them to show Anakin against the binary sunset on Tatooine,
like they did with Luke in ANH. Or perhaps they're saving that shot for
someone else in Ep3 (maybe Owen and/or Beru, holding baby Luke as Obi-Wan
takes off into the distance?)
> 25. It's cool hearing about Hayden and Ewan wanting to practice early
> for their "fight scene to end all fight scenes" in Episode III, and
> I'd like to reiterate my trivial wish to see both characters using the
> same color blade. It would be perfect visually (can't tell who's who
> in the wide shots -- which I fear crazy old George would take as a
> negative) and metaphorically (good vs. good), and it would just be
> something we haven't seen before. Since Obi-Wan seems to prefer blue,
> and Anakin's last Jedi saber was apparently the one given to Luke, it
> looks like it has to happen.
Wow, you had me questioning your comments at first, but that really pans out
to be a real good and interesting scenario.
> 26. Doesn't Anakin's bionic hand look, well, creepy? As for the
> wedding seemingly happening so soon, after all they'd been through in
> the battle, I can sort of see why they do it.
Yes and yes.
> 27. End credits... I could be wrong, but weren't Hamill, Fisher, and
> Ford's names in the credits always in the same line? Episode I and
> II's main three actors are listed separately both times. Is it an ego
> thing?
Well...before Ep4, Ford, Hamill, and Fisher were unknowns. Before Ep1,
Neeson was an Oscar-nominated star, while McGregor and Portman were, maybe
not household names, but known and acclaimed actors. Makes sense...
> 29. With things like Crazy Fightin' Yoda and the music actually
> breaking up when the first kiss ends abruptly, while those moments
> were memorable, it seems to make AOTC teeter on the brink of
> self-parody. Self-deprecating crowd-pleasing fun, or a negative jolt
> back into reality?
Crowd-pleasing fun.
Please don't say the words "Star Wars" and "back into reality." They just
don't sound right together. :p
Sean
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> one. Isn't that why "Sleepy Hollow" got an R?)
It's okay. They were all bad guys so they don't need to be whole when
the End of Days come.
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> 2. The camera panning up instead of down was almost mentally
> jarring... and an interesting change of pace.
It was definitly a shock, especially since I was pretty much speaking the
formula to myself when it happened.
I don't know that it was JARRING, but definity different. Maybe in III
instead of a pan up or down, or having it come out over the camera we'll
zoom in on it.
> 6. The idea was interesting, but R2 makes for a rather lazy
> watch-droid.
Yeah, it seems to me he'd have noticed the window being cut, or at least
the presence of the 2 creatures at the least.
> 8. When Anakin says something like "Don't worry... we've got R2"
> line, I swear I could see that coming. And maybe it was just
I said it right before he did, granted I had read the book, but I forgot
about that part.
> 9. Obi-Wan having to ask Yoda about what happened to Kamino in the
> Jedi maps: I'm thinking George was trying to put forth the idea that
> adults overcomplicate things and sometimes you need to have a kid's
> simple perspective on things (or a 900-year old's).
Reasonable, and not an uncommon lesson, after all in the Bible Jesus said
we have to come "as a little child" or something along those lines, for a
reason.
> 10. In both prequels now, we never see a first-person POV of a
> hyperspace jump. What gives? Has it become too cliche to use now?
> (wouldn't that be ironic)
That thing on the Jedi Star Fighter made me feel a bit too much like it
was something from Babylon 5.
> 12. The TV commercial ruined the surprise of it, but it was cool
> seeing Jango actually USE that darn rocket-launcher. Also, I wish
> Jango had more personality... Couldn't he have been like, sarcastic,
> or an over-protective father? Seemed like a one-note grump.
I always thought that thing was some sort of grapling hook type thing
(probably because the 12" Boba Fett action figure had a string on the
rocket).
> 18. It's interesting how Ben insists that Ani join him fight against
> Dooku. I guess 2-on-1 advantages are de rigueur for Jedi against a
> Sith.
Well, other than Yoda 1:1 doesn't work so well looks like. Maybe it's
because sith fight dirty throwing things with thier minds and using
lightning.
> Anakin's double saber work
Not enough of it though.
> 22. "This party's over!" *was* cheesy, but I'm glad it was Jackson who
> delivers it. Although, if Yoda had said "Over, this party is!"...
What was Shaft doing in TGFFA
> 23. It's almost fitting that Sith HQ is in Coruscant's "industrial
> district."
Didn't you say that already?
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Shure there is. Not released world wide yet and people are dumb and will
come on the newsgroup that haven't seen it yet.
John Savard
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>When I saw R4, I kept repeating that line from ANH in my head: "I never
>remember owning a droid."
>*sniff sob* Obi-Wan, you insensitive bastard... *sob sniff*
R4 wasn't Obi-Wan's property, he was owned by the Jedi Order. In
addition to celibacy (and hopefully chastity to go with it, see
another thread), Obi-Wan took a vow of poverty as well...
John Savard
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> 2. The camera panning up instead of down was almost mentally
> jarring... and an interesting change of pace.
Well, they then focus on the planet upsidedown as well...I found that
more jarring than the star drift.
I thought the noise of the 4 engined ship was a bit obvious that
of a WW2 bomber. They had a couple of those silvery ships around,
it would have been nice if they had dropped in the one from TPM...
> 3. Other different aspects that stand out: The atmosphere (now I know
> why George wanted to "expand" original trilogy settings so badly after
> seeing this. TPM didn't blow me away like the Coruscant chase alone
> did here) [snip]
Felt a lot like Blade Runner. It was interesting seeing a commercial
pop culture; I don't think we've seen that before.
> 6. The idea was interesting, but R2 makes for a rather lazy
> watch-droid.
Yeah.
Plus, what were those two droids that flew up to the same window,
right when Amidala is packing? It's kind of weird how little notice
Anakin pays to them (they then zoom off.) In fact, Jedis seem kind
of dense throughout the whole flick.
> 11. Some people thought Obi-Wan didn't care much about droids because
> he never thanks the one that serves him a drink in TPM, but since
> Qui-Gon didn't either, I never really believed it. Now with Obi-Wan
> leaving poor R4 in the rain the whole time, I'm starting to wonder...
> (But then again, Luke was fond of R2, and he left him in the rain on
> Dagobah.)
Well, I've been kind of disullusioned ever since I've been told that
R2s have the telescoping heads, to fit in the Naboo fighters. (I suspect
few movie-only viewers know that) I wasn't even sure if there was
enough room for a droid body in there. Hmm, considering X-wings and
Y-wings use special drod cranes, perhaps Obi had no choice. (Guess
he coulda used the force, but if we think about every time it seems
like the force could *really* come in handy but they don't use it,
we'd go nuts.
> 15. When 3PO lectures R2 about being programmed to understand human
> nature, it seemed like a comic setup for Amidala or Anakin to peek in
> and say "C'mon!" although I'm not sure if there would've been a reason
> for it. It would've happened in the OT!
Huh.
I thought that line was interesting, I caught an implication that
artoo is a lot better adapted for dealing with humans at this point,
having been around the political circles all this time, whereas 3PO
has only been around the small family on the moisture farm.
> 19. I loved the way Dooku coaxes Yoda into a duel with the
> delightfully-delivered "test of skill!" line. And the way Yoda almost
> talks down to Dooku like a misbehaving student... "Dooku... <shakes
> head> I'm disappointed in you. You should know better." (*not actual
> line)
Why didn't Yoda send that last big coloumn into the escape ship?
(or use any of the othe debris to his advantage for that matter)
> 21. Dooku's calm, efficient dueling style almost looks like Vader's in
> ESB. Watching Dooku taunt Obi-Wan (taunts are back!), the
> duel-in-the-dark, Anakin's double saber work, and Yoda, I couldn't
> help but think it was better than Episode I's, as much as I loved
> that.
I liked Yoda's unique frantic style, they could've just tried shrinking
the normal style, but this befits the advantages a creature like
him would have had.
Is his cane walk an act, then, or was he just force assisted for this
time?
> 26. Doesn't Anakin's bionic hand look, well, creepy? As for the
> wedding seemingly happening so soon, after all they'd been through in
> the battle, I can sort of see why they do it.
Yes, the hand was awful. Looked like they're trying to turn him into
the silvery bot from Terminator 2...
> cute girls with angels? On that note, I'm wishing Lucas had allowed
> himself to have Anakin roll his eyes and sarcastically/ironically
> mutter "yippee." at some point in AOTC.
Heh.
OK, now a big question that might've been tossed about already...
could Anakin *never* muster up the resources to purchase his mom's
freedom up 'til now? If he wasn't allowed to, that could explain
a lot of his rage against the jedi, but this film never touches
the topic...
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>>for their "fight scene to end all fight scenes" in Episode III,
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>But I'm sure Lucas can work one in somehow.
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>John Savard
Its not -needed- but much like finally seeing Yoda in action, its something
that George knows -everyone- (including himself) -wants- very much to see.
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>Not enough of it though.
Agreed. I think the trailer showed all of it.
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We've not been that far down on Coruscant before...
>> 6. The idea was interesting, but R2 makes for a rather lazy
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>Plus, what were those two droids that flew up to the same window,
>right when Amidala is packing? It's kind of weird how little notice
>Anakin pays to them (they then zoom off.) In fact, Jedis seem kind
>of dense throughout the whole flick.
They were replacing the window glass. I noticed the droids too,
figured that the Jedi would have learned to check *them* out first...
>> 19. I loved the way Dooku coaxes Yoda into a duel with the
>> delightfully-delivered "test of skill!" line. And the way Yoda almost
>> talks down to Dooku like a misbehaving student... "Dooku... <shakes
>> head> I'm disappointed in you. You should know better." (*not actual
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>Why didn't Yoda send that last big coloumn into the escape ship?
>(or use any of the othe debris to his advantage for that matter)
It would have been a slightly shorter movie? =)
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>> Qui-Gon didn't either, I never really believed it. Now with Obi-Wan
>> leaving poor R4 in the rain the whole time, I'm starting to wonder...
>> (But then again, Luke was fond of R2, and he left him in the rain on
>> Dagobah.)
> Well, I've been kind of disullusioned ever since I've been told that
> R2s have the telescoping heads, to fit in the Naboo fighters. (I suspect
> few movie-only viewers know that) I wasn't even sure if there was
> enough room for a droid body in there. Hmm, considering X-wings and
> Y-wings use special drod cranes, perhaps Obi had no choice. (Guess
> he coulda used the force, but if we think about every time it seems
> like the force could *really* come in handy but they don't use it,
> we'd go nuts.
According to http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/delta7/index.html
"A truncated astromech droid was hard-wired into the starfighter's port
side"...so I guess that's just a droid head.
Feh. I think it's another case of designers who are more concerned with
cool sleek lines at the cost of what would be "real world" design
constraints...
And the whole concept of "the star destroyer is based on the jedi
starfighter" is lame...they would have totally different design criteria
for a huuuuuge battleship than a small fighter.
The loop was kind of cool.
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>Jedi maps: I'm thinking George was trying to put forth the idea that
>adults overcomplicate things and sometimes you need to have a kid's
>simple perspective on things (or a 900-year old's).
Besides, isn't there a possibility that Obi-Wan didn't see that the
gravity shadow was still there till he saw the huge 3D map with Yoda
and the kids?
>12. The TV commercial ruined the surprise of it, but it was cool
>seeing Jango actually USE that darn rocket-launcher. Also, I wish
>Jango had more personality... Couldn't he have been like, sarcastic,
>or an over-protective father? Seemed like a one-note grump.
I never cared much for Boba, so I don't need a personality for him or
for his daddy beyond the "I'm a badass" thing.
>On that note, I'm wishing Lucas had allowed
>himself to have Anakin roll his eyes and sarcastically/ironically
>mutter "yippee." at some point in AOTC.
ROFL!!!
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Michael Halbrook wrote:
It was jarring for me... The crawl finishes, and in my mind I'm
thinking, "Okay, then we pan down... huh?"
> > 6. The idea was interesting, but R2 makes for a rather lazy
> > watch-droid.
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> Yeah, it seems to me he'd have noticed the window being cut, or at least
> the presence of the 2 creatures at the least.
It just seemed too convenient. Maybe it was a play on the "lazy
security guard" cliche. At least R2 wasn't reading the sports section
while eating donuts.
> > 18. It's interesting how Ben insists that Ani join him fight against
> > Dooku. I guess 2-on-1 advantages are de rigueur for Jedi against a
> > Sith.
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> Well, other than Yoda 1:1 doesn't work so well looks like. Maybe it's
> because sith fight dirty throwing things with thier minds and using
> lightning.
Sounds like wrestling.
> > Anakin's double saber work
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> Not enough of it though.
I guess all of Dooku's scenes were abbreviated because we had enough
saber stuff in the arena. I think the post-arena mass battle
should've been cut down.
I don't understand why Obi-Wan and Anakin were down throughout Yoda's
session. Obi-Wan just got cut up badly, and Anakin was out cold after
losing his arm and being Force-pushed to the ground. If you look
in the background, Padme and Anakin embrace after the scene, while
Obi-Wan just kinda stands there aching... "Hey, how 'bout a little
sugar for Ben over here?"
> > 22. "This party's over!" *was* cheesy, but I'm glad it was Jackson who
> > delivers it. Although, if Yoda had said "Over, this party is!"...
>
> What was Shaft doing in TGFFA
The way we only see Mace's feet walking in, and Yoda's shadow when he
meets Dooku, it was almost like George was thinking "Oh, the fans will
eat this up." Nice visual artistry, along with the Vader shadow on the
hut wall. I wonder if ILM had to fudge it to make it so eerily
perfect.
I also like the behind-the-back shot of when Anakin and Padme kiss,
look at each other, then away from each other and up to the arena
crowd as they go from shadow to light. Maybe it was the lack of really
moving music, but it wasn't quite as poignant as it could've been
(maybe it was AOTC's version of ESB's carbon-freeze scene).
> > 23. It's almost fitting that Sith HQ is in Coruscant's "industrial
> > district."
>
> Didn't you say that already?
<shrug> It was worth mentioning twice if I did? Although I should add
that when Palpy walks in, I can't help but think "they're on a
soundstage."
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> > could Anakin *never* muster up the resources to purchase his mom's
> > freedom up 'til now? If he wasn't allowed to, that could explain
> > a lot of his rage against the jedi, but this film never touches
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> I'm guessing it's a slippery slope. Buy one slave's freedom, and we'll
> have to buy all of theirs. Are the Jedi govt-assisted? I doubt they
> get paid. Although if Han could get rewarded handsomely for rescuing
> Leia (instead of being told that virtue is its own reward), Padme
> could've done something for Ani's mom.
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See? See?! I told everyone this was the biggest damn plot hole in
Episode I and everyone said 'Just wait, it'll be dealt with in Episode
II'. Instead we find out that his mother was just left there to rot
and got lucky when Lars bought her and freed her. This is my single
biggest beef with that movie!
Off the subject: What's kind of cool is that there aren't many things
to really get argumentative about regarding AOTC like there was with
TPM. Whaddaya know, the title doesn't even bug me anymore.
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> >hyperspace jump. What gives? Has it become too cliche to use now?
> >(wouldn't that be ironic)
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> I think they (them effects people) probably don't want to outdo the original
> jump to hyperspace coolness.
Well, they could just stick with the same effect from the original.
Assuming we watched it in chrono order, it wouldn't be until Episode
IV that we get to be blown away by the effect. Weird.
Also I was thinking that if it were solely intended to be viewed in
chrono order, Lucas wouldn't be putting in these tongue-in-cheek
ironic jokes ("You'll be the death of me"). Also, in Ep IV, we sort of
get an exposition about Jedi and the Force from Obi-Wan, whereas in Ep
it seem we wouldn't have any idea about them.
> >24. Is there a somber, reflective "Obi-Wan/Force theme-Binary Sunset"
> >moment in I and II? In ESB I guess it was the build-up to the final
> >shot, in ROTJ it was Vader's funeral.
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> In TPM the part where Anakin is walking away from Shmi is pretty darn somber.
> That scene still blows me away.
I guess, and there's the time-lapse sunset on Coruscant, after Qui-Gon
and Obi-Wan talk about Anakin on the balcony.
But as I've now been informed, AOTC's bit is obviously the "shadow on
the hut." Even though it hammers you on the head, at first I didn't
take notice because I was seeing it too literally (the back of the
helmet just being the braid). Doh.
> >26. Doesn't Anakin's bionic hand look, well, creepy? As for the
> >wedding seemingly happening so soon, after all they'd been through in
> >the battle, I can sort of see why they do it.
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> I think he made it himself. :)
I guess he had his indulgent use of the Force to help out his one
remaining hand.
> >27. End credits... I could be wrong, but weren't Hamill, Fisher, and
> >Ford's names in the credits always in the same line? Episode I and
> >II's main three actors are listed separately both times. Is it an ego
> >thing?
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> That always made me go hmm during TPM.
I just liked how in the originals it gave a sense that it was an
ensemble. And the chemistry the three leads had there is what we all
seem to miss in the prequels. Funny how that works.
> >Okay, this is more a Spider-Man thing to sign off with, but how is the
> >idea of Peter calling Mary Jane an "angel" as a kid any different than
> >Anakin doing the same with Padme, which got lambasted?
>
> Teen/twenty-something dorks in movies aren't looked down upon by fans as much as
> kids?
Yeah, but the thing is that Peter was probably around TPM Anakin's age
when he said it (like I said, it's only talked about in the movie). If
teen/twenty-something Peter actually said it, that'd be even worse! :P
And hey, isn't Jar Jar composing himself then addressing Padme as
"M'lady" just precious? I also like the power trip he exudes when he
has the Senate floor. Look at his arms when he "gives immediately
emergency POWERS." And the way that one group of senators gives the
"No" signal. And how utterly rehearsed Amedda and Palpy sound when
they hint that Jar Jar make the big proposal. And Jar Jar's "you
really like me!" look when the Senate applauds him. Whatta gullible
Gungan he is.
> >On that note, I'm wishing Lucas had allowed
> >himself to have Anakin roll his eyes and sarcastically/ironically
> >mutter "yippee." at some point in AOTC.
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> Well, you said you don't like spoilers so I won't mention what one of James Earl
> Jones' Ep III lines is going to be.
Great, that spoils me along with this exchange i accidentally came
across:
"I dub thee... Darth--"
"Darth Wizard!"
"Uh, no, I dub thee Da--"
"Darth Laser Sword!"
"NO! I dub thee Darth... Vader!"
"But I kinda like Darth Wiz--"
"Oh,wouldyoujustshutupaboutthatwholething!"
"...Yes, my master."
Ken
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> 16. Is it just me or are the Neimodians sounding more like Mojo Jojo?
> I love that evil monkey, but since he's more obviously supposed to
> sound Asian, I wonder if that's a good thing. On a similar note,
> what's up with the Geonosians' language? There'll be flak for that
> one.
What's you beef with the Geonosians' language? I think it's the
coolest-sounding Star Wars language to date! It's certainly the most complex
and alien-sounding, complete with clicks and tones!!
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I think it's probably because it sounds like the languages African Bushmen
speak. But it clearly _isn't_, what with all the trilling and buzzing
sounds. Don't think anyone will have a problem with it -- but then,
Bushmen are kinda brown so maybe a certain professor in Detroit will be up
in arms about them being Hispanic, too.
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> In article <LstG8.71232$UV4.105662@rwcrnsc54>,
> Chris Nelson
<cris...@insightBBB.Replace_BBB_with_BB_and_put_dot-com_after_it> wrote:
> >"Kentaro P Maeda" <ken...@hawaii.edu> wrote in message
> >news:Pine.GSO.4.33.0205172324020.23333-100000@uhunix2...
> >> 16. Is it just me or are the Neimodians sounding more like Mojo Jojo?
> >> I love that evil monkey, but since he's more obviously supposed to
> >> sound Asian, I wonder if that's a good thing. On a similar note,
> >> what's up with the Geonosians' language? There'll be flak for that
> >> one.
> >
> >What's you beef with the Geonosians' language? I think it's the
> >coolest-sounding Star Wars language to date! It's certainly the most
complex
> >and alien-sounding, complete with clicks and tones!!
>
> I think it's probably because it sounds like the languages African Bushmen
> speak.
It sounds *nothing* like the Khoi-San langauges. I've been in South Africa
and heard people speak Xhosa and similar click languages.
Greedo spoke Quechua (or something that sounds damn close to Quechua, what
with words like "pampa" and "q'enqo"), but I haven't heard anyone
complaining about it.
> But it clearly _isn't_, what with all the trilling and buzzing
> sounds.
Exactly.
> Don't think anyone will have a problem with it -- but then,
> Bushmen are kinda brown so maybe a certain professor in Detroit will be up
> in arms about them being Hispanic, too.
These people should get a life.
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Simon H. Lee
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>news:acdnfj$10vo$2...@news.ca.inter.net...
>> In article <LstG8.71232$UV4.105662@rwcrnsc54>,
>> Chris Nelson
><cris...@insightBBB.Replace_BBB_with_BB_and_put_dot-com_after_it> wrote:
>> >"Kentaro P Maeda" <ken...@hawaii.edu> wrote in message
>> >news:Pine.GSO.4.33.0205172324020.23333-100000@uhunix2...
>> >> 16. Is it just me or are the Neimodians sounding more like Mojo Jojo?
>> >> I love that evil monkey, but since he's more obviously supposed to
>> >> sound Asian, I wonder if that's a good thing. On a similar note,
>> >> what's up with the Geonosians' language? There'll be flak for that
>> >> one.
>> >
>> >What's you beef with the Geonosians' language? I think it's the
>> >coolest-sounding Star Wars language to date! It's certainly the most
>complex
>> >and alien-sounding, complete with clicks and tones!!
>>
>> I think it's probably because it sounds like the languages African Bushmen
>> speak.
>
>It sounds *nothing* like the Khoi-San langauges. I've been in South Africa
>and heard people speak Xhosa and similar click languages.
>
>Greedo spoke Quechua (or something that sounds damn close to Quechua, what
>with words like "pampa" and "q'enqo"), but I haven't heard anyone
>complaining about it.
Just going to toss this in as another rapid-fire point here: When
Anakin and Padme get off the rickshaw to see Watto, there's a snippet of
audio in the background that sounds like the Egyptian crowd gathered around
Indiana Jones after the basket chase in Raiders of the Lost Ark...
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Chris Pierson wrote:
> >What's you beef with the Geonosians' language? I think it's the
> >coolest-sounding Star Wars language to date! It's certainly the most complex
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> I think it's probably because it sounds like the languages African Bushmen
> speak. But it clearly _isn't_, what with all the trilling and buzzing
> sounds.
Yeah, it wasn't that I had a problem with it, it's just that I figured
people would be pointing out the tongue-clicks and accusing Lucas of
mocking it. Some people in the first showing I went to wouldn't stop
giggling about it, and didn't let up when Dooku reveals the <SPOILER>
plans. Sheesh.
Ken
Daniel O. Miller
You know, I didn't even really notice it, beyond it being "not-English".
I guess I'll just have to go see the movie again. :D
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<ken...@hawaii.edu> wrote, in part:
>Er, isn't that a crucial scene? Apprentice turns on master? Obi-Wan
>wins the fight but "loses" at the same time? Vader is mortally
>wounded? Are you expecting that the whole falling out could be done
>off-screen? Or just without a fight?
Clearly Anakin will turn to the Dark Side, and that will be *the*
major event of Episode III. How that happens is unclear; and whether
we see Anakin fighting Dooku, or Yoda, or Obi-Wan is also unclear.
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Ben Potter
John Savard wrote:
Hello all, this is my first post in this NG.
I suspect that we'll see Palpatine giving the same chance to Anakin that
he gives to Luke, saying "Kill him [Dooku] and take your place at my
side. Together we shall rule the galaxy." Anakin defeats [barely]
Dooku. Then later, Anakin's all cocky and sure of himself, when he meets
up with Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan of course wins this fight, retrieving Anakin's
sabre.
This seems to make the most sense.
Cheers,
Ben