Broken G-string
Doug Smith
rather the part at the end that attaches it to the fine tuners. The string
was only a few days old, but I believe that my fine tuners were pinching it,
not some manufacturing defect. I was wondering if there is any way to repair
this, or am I just out of luck.
Thank you
- Doug -
emd_295
end of the string breaks where it is attached to the fine tuner. One
time my string snapped there while I was giving a recital. (luckily
right at the end of a piece, so I could fix it without really
interrupting the recital!) I don't know if there is any way to fix this
G string, but someone told me a way to prevent the tuner from "cutting"
the loop of the string.
You know that little plastic thing that is on the string, that is meant
to go on the bridge? (actually i am not sure whether it only comes on E
strings, or whether it comes on all strings--I can't remember). Anyway,
if you take the plastic thing off of the string and work it onto the
hook of the fine tuner, it will keep the sharp part of the hook from
cutting the string.
In article <8rtmni$1tp$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>,
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Before you buy.
Jon
managed to tie a knot in the end, but this doesn't work for tuners.
In most cases, I have found it not advisable to use tuners on any
string except the all-steel E string. Many beginners' instruments
have tuners on all strings because of the difficulty for smaller
children to tune a violin [little hands are not quite that strong.]
In that case they often use steel strings with windings.
Jon Teske, violinist
On Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:09:53 -0400, "Doug Smith"
David Kaye
" I've had this problem a lot, especially with E strings--the loop at the
" end of the string breaks where it is attached to the fine tuner. One
" time my string snapped there while I was giving a recital.
I think we should give thanks that the weakest part of the string is at
the fine tuner end. I'd rather have a string snap there than near the
pegs and possibly put my eye out.
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Carsten Witzel
: I've had this problem a lot, especially with E strings--the loop at the
: end of the string breaks where it is attached to the fine tuner. One
I've always used E-strings with a ball-end instead of a loop,
and have never had any problems (yet :)). This might be an
alternative for you (you would have to replace your fine tuner, though).
Of course, there are rumours that ball-end fine tuners sound worse than
loop-end ones. Any comments from the others?
--
Carsten Witzel -- E-Mail: Carsten...@Uni-Duesseldorf.de
Anders Buen
will make the knot tighter when the knot is a bit settled.
Anders Buen
"Doug Smith" <ethel...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Tho X. Bui
Carsten Witzel wrote:
>
> emd_295 <emd...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> : I've had this problem a lot, especially with E strings--the loop at the
> : end of the string breaks where it is attached to the fine tuner. One
>
> I've always used E-strings with a ball-end instead of a loop,
> and have never had any problems (yet :)). This might be an
> alternative for you (you would have to replace your fine tuner, though).
>
> Of course, there are rumours that ball-end fine tuners sound worse than
> loop-end ones. Any comments from the others?
Uhhh, why not try it yourself and find out? The ball is easily
removable on most strings. I did and found no difference, i.e., I still
sound awful.
Personnaly, I never have problem with G-strings breaking. My main
problem is that the tassels keep falling off...
...
sorry
...
really!
....
Tho
Tho X. Bui
"Tho X. Bui" wrote:
>
> ....
Forgot to mention a fix for the original poster: remove the fine tuner,
make a knot on the G-string about 1/4" from the end, and put the string
back into the tail piece slot with the knot below the slot; tighten as
usual. This will work until the string is too short to use. If that
description isn't clear, email me and I'll try to take a digital picture.
Tho
Jon
wrote:
>emd_295 wrote the quoted material below:
>" I've had this problem a lot, especially with E strings--the loop at the
>" end of the string breaks where it is attached to the fine tuner. One
>" time my string snapped there while I was giving a recital.
>
>I think we should give thanks that the weakest part of the string is at
>the fine tuner end. I'd rather have a string snap there than near the
>pegs and possibly put my eye out.
There is some historical precedent for that. Some 19th/early 20th
century virtuoso lost an eye that way, sorry, I forget who. When I
first read that I was a bit taken aback since the wire E string is
pretty much a 20th century development and the merits of wire vs.
gut E strings was being debated as late as the 1920's.
For my part, other than the E string (and I use ball ends), the vast
majority of string breakage for me seem to occur somewhere in the
pegbox.
Jon Teske
Fingrrz
>loop-end ones. Any comments from the others?
The end of the string whether it is a ball or a loop does not effect the sound
of the string at all. The fine tuner does not effect the sound either.
Carsten Witzel
:>Of course, there are rumours that ball-end fine tuners sound worse than
:>loop-end ones. Any comments from the others?
: The end of the string whether it is a ball or a loop does not effect the sound
: of the string at all. The fine tuner does not effect the sound either.
That's my opinion, too. One person in this group (I forgot who)
said a while ago that he uses the loop end version "because
of harmonics". If it works for him, fine. I've had the experience
that when you _think_ you sound better, you actually _do_ :)
Fingrrz
>the string. So this part of the string will sound in another way.
>So the the sound _is_ affected.
>
>The same holds is the string which holds the tail piece is of
>incorrect length; the same if one uses a wrong tail piece; ...
>
>So there is nearly no part of the violin which is of _no_ effect on
>the sound.
You're Wrong! I see a fallacy in your logic.
First, the fine tuner may reduce the amount of string between the bridge and
where it connects to the tailpiece, but this has nothing to do with the sound
produced, because the string vibrates on the other side of the bridge to
produce sound. That is the side where one bows the string. A fine tuner or
anything at all touching just the string on the first side has absolutely no
effect on the quality of the tone produced. A fine tuner simply tightens or
loosens the string so that the string may vibrate at different frequencies.
Secondly, the tail piece is a completely different matter. If it is not the
right length, one may simply adjust the length of the gut that connects the
tailpiece to the violin. This is a simple procedure that consists simply of
screwing or unscrewing two nuts that are hidden underneath the tailpiece. And
yes, if the tail piece does not provide the right amount of tension, the
strings will not play correctly.
Thirdly, because Werner...@gmd.de 's two premises about how ball-end or
loop-end strings effect the tonal quality of a violin were incorrect, his or
her conclusion that "... there is nearly no part of the violin which is of _no_
effect on
the sound." I have disproved both of his premises.
So, one can see that Werner...@gmd.de is wrong and I am right. However, I
forgive Werner.Icking @gmd.de for his misinterpretations of the violin and his
logical flaws. I assume he was drunk when he posted such horribly incorrect
interpretations of the violin.
Michael Stanley
everything. Especially when the prime statement is erroneous.
The distance from the ridge on the tailpiece to the bridge is a function
of the distance of the nut to the bridge. There are sympathetic
vibrations generated in the string between the bridge and tailpiece.
Pragmatically, you can see that cello players often have a heavy band
around one of their strings between the bridge and tailpiece in order to
dampen a "wolf" note.
The violin is a harmonic system in dynamic inter-relationship.
Check out the Catgut Acoustical Society for some of the fascinating
research on violin family acoustic phenomena.
Mike
Peter Schug
is carefully set to 1/6 the length of the main body of the string
specifically so that it vibrates on the octave of the string above it. True
there is no string above the E, but that pitch is also the octave of the
third harmonic. That is why some people use Hill style fine tuners, and
others use fine tuner type tailpieces and people who know what they are
doing avoid the large fine tuners that change that length!
Even the overhand of the fingerboard is tuned by some luthiers so that it
reinforces the Heilmholtz resonance of the body. Werner knows what he is
writing about, he just didn't bother explaining it in detail.
You can believe the above or not, but careful workers take these things into
account and each little thing contributes to that 'ring' that makes a good
fiddle a pleasure to play.
Pete
--
Check out my fiddle building web site
http://home.att.net/~PeteSchug/
Updated July 23, 2000
in article 20001017184533...@ng-ce1.aol.com, Fingrrz at
fin...@aol.com wrote on 10/17/00 6:45 PM:
Peter Schug
I should have said: that the string section between the tailpiece and the
bridge vibrates two octaves above the next higher string. (and, of course,
on its own sixth harmonic) All the rest is correct.
in article B6128D13.7EF3%Pete...@att.net, Peter Schug at Pete...@att.net
wrote on 10/17/00 11:07 PM:
> Sorry fingrz, but the piece of string between the bridge and the tailpiece
> is carefully set to 1/6 the length of the main body of the string
> specifically so that it vibrates on the octave of the string above it. True
> there is no string above the E, but that pitch is also the octave of the
> third harmonic. That is why some people use Hill style fine tuners, and
> others use fine tuner type tailpieces and people who know what they are
> doing avoid the large fine tuners that change that length!
>
> Even the overhand of the fingerboard is tuned by some luthiers so that it
> reinforces the Heimholtz resonance of the body. Werner knows what he is
jtay...@nospam.mail.orion.org
>>>| the sound." I have disproved both of his premises. | So, one can
see that Werner...@gmd.de is wrong and I am right. However, I |
forgive Werner.Icking @gmd.de for his misinterpretations of the violin and
his | logical flaws. I assume he was drunk when he posted such horribly
incorrect | interpretations of the violin. <<<
My my my.... tsk tsk tsk.... I think we have issues of our OWN, no? <grin>
Lie down here a moment and tell me about your mother, wont you? ;-}
JT
--
Volkswagens dont leak oil.....they mark their territory
Tho X. Bui
While I agree with Werner (and Peter Schug's elaboration) comment that
all of these things affect the sound of a violin (that why my
instruments only has tuner on E), I think we need to observe that many
of these effects are observable only on better instruments and ...better violinists.
A beginning student with 4 tuners on the tail piece may not notice a
lick of difference on his lower end instrument. Such instruments may
have so many other detraction that removing the fine tuners would yield
no perceivable improvements.
As with most things involved with making your own music, IMO, a valuable
advice is: try it and find out for yourself.
Tho
Bob Goddard wrote:
>
> In article <8skkh4$j57$1...@hop.gmd.de>, Werner Icking
> <Werner...@gmd.de> writes
> [snip]
> I was about to spring to Werner's defence, but I see that isn't
> necessary!
Bob Goddard
[snip]
>
>I see that you can write "violin". Did you ever hold such thing in
>your hands? How do you interpret a violin?
>
>
I was about to spring to Werner's defence, but I see that isn't
necessary!
(Bob
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David Mintz
personal habits, I am glad that you have questioned his assertions
concerning the significance of the reduced amount of string between the
bridge and the tailpiece. It was hard for me to imagine how this could
possibly alter the sound, although I would be glad to hear further
explanations in this regard.
David Mintz
"Fingrrz" <fin...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Peter Schug
at dtm...@worldnet.att.net wrote on 10/24/00 1:54 PM:
> Despite your uncalled for comments concerning Werner Icking's unfortunate
> personal habits, I am glad that you have questioned his assertions
> concerning the significance of the reduced amount of string between the
> bridge and the tailpiece. It was hard for me to imagine how this could
> possibly alter the sound, although I would be glad to hear further
> explanations in this regard.
> David Mintz
Then please read the rest of the thread.