How to delineate a chart
Edmond Wollmann
From: lili...@aol.com (Lili4love)
Subject: Re: Is astrology at all useful for the question of:
Aggression-"Domestic Violence"?
Date: 1997/05/27
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Roger
you contradict yourself left and right...why not just admit that Ed
did
what you asked.... he identified in the chart- sexual offender- and
indeed, that's precisely what the guy was.
Why not just admit it be done with it!!!
peace,
lili
Subject: Re: Is astrology at all useful for the question of:
Aggression-"Domestic Violence"?
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:06:35 -0700
From: Edmond Wollmann <woll...@aznet.net>
Organization: Astrological Consulting, San Diego, CA
Newsgroups: alt.astrology, sci.skeptic
Roger L. Satterlee wrote:
> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> "[..]There will be evidence in my upcoming book-the first Califonia highway
> patrol convicted of violating a woman's civil rights (by murdering her)
> came to me for astrological consulting regarding the case that was
> eventually successfully prosecuted by the FBI.
> Not only did I know he was capable of it by the chart but that he did it
> by the same measures.[..]"
> Rog comments:
> Ed, I would rather see the natal chart and the description of events, and
> *then* the commentary concerning your CHP patrolman.
Well I was aware of the events concerning him so of course it was
easier
to work on conclusions rather than trying to figure out what was going
on out of thin air. You can read a portion of it in my "Mars and the
State of The Ego" article if you are really interested. I have ALREADY
presented it.
> Here is a chart of a convicted felon: how would you rate this chart as to
> a propensity for violence? What specifically might you expect from this man in
> terms of criminal acts?
First I will assume the correctness of the chart-I don't believe you
have Einstein's correct chart so I will qualify it by saying the chart
you present here, with a glance, without complete analysis-is a very
powerless perspective-difficulty maintaining stability, takes things
profoundly personal and has a difficulty maintaining a stable
day-to-day
balanced perspective. A disbelief in natural assertion allows for
repression that then explodes in outbursts of "need to prove"
scenarios.
Did not percieve the nurture from the mother as a valid
identity-overcompensates by seeking to exact perfection from others-a
profound issue of control-sexual conflicts are the greatest and it is
here I believe the crimes of seeking power over others would be
greatest. There is tremendous energy that seeks validation-OCD
evident,
strong reflection of antisocial pathology. Inability for conscious
control of drives and reflection of the rights of others-it is the
control issue the convicted belief in the lack of it-that drives this
person to seek tremendous self assertion in a negative way-can't seem
to
find a sense of validity to his sense of self and its application in
the
physical world-the parental situation was very traumatic. It was a
very
a strong possibility of his own sexual violation that leads to these
beliefs of powerlessness in the reception of love and caring from his
view-a DIS belief in the positiveness of physicality-that it is
inherently evil. A difficulty in the extreme of seeing the self
through
reflection. Which leads to totally incorrect assessments and
attributional errors of others "motives" and thinking.
Of course these are "leads" that a thorough analysis would confirm or
deny as I did more work-I hope you are knowledgable enough of
astrology
to realize the work I would have to do to give more sure and concise
information-that right now I do not have the time to do-nor may I ever
do it just for the sake of proving my prowess to you or anyone else.
Thats as far as I can go, I haven't looked at all the placements-just
a
few observations.
+-------<11> 7Ari57----<10> 4Pis29-----<9> 9Aqu33-----------+
| | Moo 0Ari10 | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
| | | | |
<12>20Tau00----|-----------------------------|-----19Cap06<8>
| Ven 26Gem28 | Astrolog 5.20 chart | |
| Ura 28Gem31 | Name Withheld | |
| | Mon Jul 26 1948 3:17am | |
| | Elmira, NY | |
<1>29Gem28-----| DT -05:00, 76:48W 42:06N |-----29Sag28<7>
| Mer 16Can25 | UT: 7:17, Sid.T: 22:25 | |
| | Placidus Houses | |
| | Tropical / Geocentric | |
| | Julian Day = 2432758.8035 | Jup 19Sag46r |
<2>19Can06-----|-----------------------------|-----20Sco00<6>
| Sun 3Leo11 | Plu 14Leo13 | | |
| | Sat 23Leo08 | | |
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| | | Mar 5Lib20 | Nep 10Lib32 |
+----------- 9Leo33<3>----- 4Vir29<4>----- 7Lib57<5>--------+
Satterlee replies;
Yes, one could read it the way you have, and it is my opinion that
people
have a tendency to read the actual person that way. There's only one
problem, he
is a total pacifist and lifelong vegetarian. He is basically a
political prisoner.
His crime amounts to paying three male teenage prostitutes for
consentual sex.
These persons came to his house soliciting. Two of the teens were
currently
charged with multiple burglaries, and the third charged with sexual
assault while
he was a patient at the psych center. When it was also discovered
that they had in
the past had this sex for money arrangement with our subject here, a
political
gadfly, the DA was more than happy to use the very willing testimony
of the teens
to rid himself of a nuisance fond of exposing local corruption.
I don't happen to like the idea of bi-sexual men having sex
with teen
prostitutes, but this is guy who has a MA in Education, and never had
so much as a
parking ticket. He is now doing 81/3 to 25 years because his being a
closet gay was
politically exploitable. Because the world really is the way it is, I
hesitate to
mention the people who arranged this absurd melodrama.
After long reflection, it seems to me that the idealism of
this
political activist, and the guilt or shame he must have associated
with his being
attracted to young men, had eventually become an urge to be
martyred--simply
because he felt he should be punished. Once the accusations were made
against
him, he did everything in his power to get himself convicted and the
worst
sentence he could manage--in for a penny, in for a pound...Once he had
been
publicly shamed by this sexual disgression, which could have been
pleaded to
misdeanor statusas was the case of a local police officer, I think he
would have
kept after whoever he might find useful to this esculating,
self-defeating cycle.
Frankly I don't understand any of it. I think his being an devout
atheist was
important to understanding him, but I be a long time really making
sense of this
guy's self-designed persecution....he was one happy kid with no
complaints.
Rog
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
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> From: lili...@aol.com (Lili4love)
> Subject: Re: Is astrology at all useful for the question of:
> Aggression-"Domestic Violence"?
> Date: 1997/05/27
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> Roger
> you contradict yourself left and right...why not just admit that Ed
> did
> what you asked...
Was this when she was on drugs and you were getting her to defend you by
manipluating her shamelessly? I sure am glad she snapped out of that and
back to her senses.
el...@no.spam
Edmond Wollmann <Azim...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>lili
You fail to mention what her mental state was at the time
and why her mental state was quite excusable. Edmo, you are
an asshole.