NSA statement in New York Times
slaveswagen
in the New York times? See the text below:
> The Destiny of America and
> The Promise of World Peace
>
> At this time of world turmoil, the United States
> Baha'i community offers a perspective on the
> destiny of America as the promoter of world
> peace.
>
> More than a hundred years ago, Baha'u'llah
> the founder of the Baha'i Faith, addressing
> heads of state, proclaimed that the age of
> maturity for the entire human race had come.
> The unity of humankind was now to be
> established as the foundation of the great
> peace that would mark the highest stage in
> humanity's spiritual and social evolution.
> Revolutionary and world-shaking changes were
> therefore inevitable.
>
> The Baha'i writings state:
> The world is moving on. Its events are
> unfolding ominously and with bewildering
> rapidity. The whirlwind of its passions is swift
> and alarmingly violent. The New World is
> insensibly drawn into its vortex. . . . Dangers,
> undreamt of and unpredictable, threaten it both
> from within and from without. Its governments
> and peoples are being gradually enmeshed in
> the coils of the world's recurrent crises and
> fierce controversies. . . . The world is
> contracting into a neighborhood. America,
> willingly or unwillingly, must face and grapple
> with this new situation. For purposes of national
> security, let alone any humanitarian motive, she
> must assume the obligations imposed by this
> newly created neighborhood. Paradoxical as it
> may seem, her only hope of extricating herself
> from the perils gathering around her is to
> become entangled in that very web of
> international association which the Hand of an
> inscrutable Providence is weaving.
>
> The American nation, Baha'is believe, will
> evolve, through tests and trials to become a
> land of spiritual distinction and leadership, a
> champion of justice and unity among all
> peoples and nations, and a powerful servant of
> the cause of everlasting peace. This is the
> peace promised by God in the sacred texts of
> the world's religions.
>
> Establishing peace is not simply a matter of
> signing treaties and protocols; it is a complex
> task requiring a new level of commitment to
> resolving issues not customarily associated
> with the pursuit of peace.
>
> Universal acceptance of the spiritual principle
> of the oneness of humankind is essential to any
> successful attempt to establish world peace.
> Racism, one of the most baneful and persistent
> evils, is a major barrier to peace.
> The emancipation of women, the achievement
> of full equality of the sexes, is one of the most
> important, though less acknowledged,
> prerequisites of peace.
>
> The inordinate disparity between rich and poor
> keeps the world in a state of instability,
> preventing the achievement of peace.
> Unbridled nationalism, as distinguished from a
> sane and legitimate patriotism, must give way
> to a wider loyalty, to the love of humanity as a
> whole.
>
> Religious strife, the cause of innumerable wars
> and conflicts throughout history, is a major
> obstacle to progress. The challenge facing the
> world's religious leaders is to contemplate, with
> hearts filled with compassion and the desire for
> truth, the plight of humanity, and to ask
> themselves whether they cannot, in humility
> before their God, submerge their theological
> differences in a great spirit of mutual
> forbearance that will enable them to work
> together for the advancement of human
> understanding and peace.
>
> Baha'is pray, "May this American Democracy
> be the first nation to establish the foundation of
> international agreement. May it be the first
> nation to proclaim the unity of mankind. May it
> be the first to unfurl the standard of the Most
> Great Peace."
>
> During this hour of crisis, we affirm our abiding
> faith in the destiny of America. We know that
> the road to its destiny is long, thorny and
> tortuous, but we are confident that America will
> emerge from her trials undivided and
> undefeatable.
>
> -National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha'is of the
> United States
>
> The National Spiritual Assembly's Statement "The Destiny of
> America and the Promise of World Peace" to appear in the New
> York Times, Sunday, December 23, 2001.
>
Randy Burns
Cheers, Randy
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slaveswagen <ub...@angelfire.com> wrote in message
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> Any reactions to the Baha'i National Spiritual Assembly full page ad
> in the New York times? See the text below:
> >
Fictionfatigue
>
>Cheers, Randy
>
Wow! Incredible! That must be it...... Juan's outburst and ranting about the
fictional (and still missing) communication from the National Spiritual
Assembly sent them into such panic that they were forced to publishing this
statement..... Thank goodness you're able to continue pointing these important
points out to us all.
Sorry friend but some folks seem to have an inflated sense of the importance
of their own ramblings and the influence they have on the Faith.
Pat Kohli
Randy Burns wrote:
> Looks like Juan's stinging rebuke really got to the NSA!
>
> Cheers, Randy
Definitely! It got them so hard, they even had to anticipate it and issue
this statement 40 days before Juan's acidic (as in 'delusional') rebuke.
The National Spiritual Assembly
of the Bahá'ís of the United States
September 11, 2001
To the American Bahá'í Community
Dear Bahá'í Friends,
Our hearts are shocked and grief-stricken by the shameless acts of
terrorist
violence against innocent victims in New York, Pennsylvania, and
Washington.
Fervently, we are praying for those who died and beseeching God to comfort
the hearts of those who have lost loved ones, and to strengthen our nation
and its people to meet this challenge with faith, courage, and unity.
As you know, the Bahá'í Scriptures proclaim that God has given the United
States a spiritual mission to help reshape the world. The Bahá'í Writings
state that America will evolve, through purifying tests and trials to
become
a land of spiritual distinction and leadership, a champion of justice and
unity among all peoples and nations, and powerful servant of the Cause of
everlasting peace. The Bahá'í Writings promise that this "signally blest"
nation will never be defeated and will triumphantly fulfill its
God-ordained
mission.
The Baha'i Faith has known crisis since its inception and many Baha'is,
especially in the cradle of the Faith, have faced brutal attacks with
faithfulness and noble resolve. Their model must be our standard. At this
moment of unprecedented disaster, we call on all of the followers of
Bahá'u'lláh in the United States to come to the aid of your nation in the
name of your Faith. The vision of Bahá'u'lláh's Healing Message and the
Bahá
'í spirit of universal love and assistance are more urgently needed now
than
ever before. As you proceed to serve and assist your neighbors and
communities, we ask you to bear in mind these words of assurance and
guidance from the Bahá'í Writings. "Let each one of God's loved ones center
his attention on this, to be the Lord's mercy to man; to be the Lord's
grace. Let him do some good to every person whose path he crosseth, and be
of some benefit to him. Let him improve the character of each and all, and
reorient the minds of men. In this way, the light of divine guidance will
shine forth, and the blessings of God will cradle all mankind: for love is
light no matter in what abode it dwelleth; and hate is darkness, no matter
where it may make its nest. O friends of God! That the hidden Mystery may
stand revealed, and the secret essence of all things may be disclosed,
strive ye to banish that darkness for ever and ever."
Our prayers and love are with you always,
NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY OF
THE BAHÁ'ÍS OF THE UNITED STATES
Robert C. Henderson, Secretary-General
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=9nuqh1%24r5c%241%40gnamma.connect.com.au
Blessings!
- Pat
ko...@ameritel.net
Randy Burns
Randy
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Fictionfatigue <fiction...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Randy Burns
I don't see the Prayer in the earlier statement.
Randy
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Pat Kohli <kohliCUT...@ameritel.net> wrote in message
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Susan Maneck
>Looks like Juan's stinging rebuke really got to the NSA!
You mean his libelous accusation of treason for their non-existent statement
not to say the prayer for America?
Susan Maneck
Associate Professor of History
Jackson State University
"And we were gathered in one place, a generation lost in space, with no time
left to start again . . "
Don McLean's American Pie
http://bahaistudies.net/susanmaneck/
Susan Maneck
>Jeepers!
>
>I don't see the Prayer in the earlier statement.
No, the prayer is mentioned in another statement where they say it is fine to
publish it, but not to include the 1-800 number because it would be wrong to
use this tragedy to proselytize. Such unpatriotic, treasonous behavior!
BIGS - Bahai in *Perfectly* Good Standing
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship
BIGS - Bahai in *Perfectly* Good Standing
of the United States of America in its 12-23-01 propaganda
ad in the New York Times:
Religious strife, the cause of innumerable wars
> and conflicts throughout history, is a major
> obstacle to progress. The challenge facing the
> world's religious leaders is to contemplate, with
> hearts filled with compassion and the desire for
> truth, the plight of humanity, and to ask
> themselves whether they cannot, in humility
> before their God, submerge their theological
> differences in a great spirit of mutual
> forbearance that will enable them to work
> together for the advancement of human
> understanding and peace.
"Submerge their theological differences"?
Like the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais
who drive out leading American scholars at the
University of Michigan and Indiana University for
expressing their candid views and opinions on bahai
history?
Like the fundamentalists among my fellow bahais
who drive out and attack diverse voices on AOL,
beliefnet.com, talk.religion.bahai, alt.religion.bahai,
and every other online forum and mailing list on the
Internet today?
No one actually familiar with the record of my fellow
bahais on such matters, painstakingly documented on
my website, will fail to recognize the gross hypocrisy
of the national "spiritual" assembly of the baha'is of the
United States of America in its 12-23-01 propaganda
ad in the New York Times....
--
Frederick Glaysher
NightShadow
<patric...@liberty.com> who once said...:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "slaveswagen" <ub...@angelfire.com>
>Newsgroups: talk.religion.bahai
>Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:09 PM
>Subject: NSA statement in New York Times
>
>Any reactions to the Baha'i National Spiritual Assembly full page ad
>in the New York times? See the text below:
Thanks for posting this, Fred. It was refreshing to see something
positive posted by you for once.
NightShadow
<patric...@liberty.com> who once said...:
>According to the national "spiritual" assembly of the baha'is
But, alas, how far the might do fall.
Hypocrisy: Fred claims to be a believer of the Baha'i Faith, and a
Baha'i in *perfectly* good standing. One who stands is seen. A Baha'i
is one who believes that Baha'u'llah is the messenger of God for this
day- and Baha'u'llah enjoins ALL believers to support His Faith. One
who is perfect is without blemish. Fred does not perfectly stand up
and support the Faith. Rather, he toils daily to destroy it. Is this
the act of someone who supports his religion?
I think not.
Injustice: Fred publicly posts to Usenet with no other intention but
to slander the Baha'i Faith's Administrative Order in its entirety. He
levies an idle complaint of his own and conveys the cries of "foul" by
others, substantiating hearsay. And yet, the Baha'i Administrative
Order does nothing to attack or slander him. Is this justice, the best
beloved of all things in the eyes of God?
I think not.
Fred is a relatively brilliant man with a keen eye for noticing the
flaws of mortal men. Should his sight turn to the *successes* and good
deeds of the Baha'i Faith also and note them well, think of the
justice he could perform!
BIGS - Bahai in *Perfectly* Good Standing
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Frederick Glaysher
The Bahai Faith & Religious Freedom of Conscience
http://members.fortunecity.com/bahaicensorship
"NightShadow" <seal...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Pat Kohli
NightShadow wrote:
> But, alas, how far the might do fall.
>
> Hypocrisy: Fred claims to be a believer of the Baha'i Faith, and a
> Baha'i in *perfectly* good standing.
I'm not sure. Fred claims to be a bahai. Perhaps that is a munifaq who
follows value, rather than splendor.
> One who stands is seen.
Fred is seen far and wide for what he is. Usually the gnat is only seen a
foot away or closer, but by flitting about, the gnat is widely seen.
> A Baha'i
> is one who believes that Baha'u'llah is the messenger of God for this
> day- and Baha'u'llah enjoins ALL believers to support His Faith. One
> who is perfect is without blemish. Fred does not perfectly stand up
> and support the Faith. Rather, he toils daily to destroy it.
I think he generally copies and pastes in his stock replies and his stock
complaints - not what I'd call "toil". I don't know if you've seen him
long enough to appreciate how numbingly hypnotic, and predictably boring
he can be.
> Is this
> the act of someone who supports his religion?
>
The operative term is "his religion". Apparently his religion is an
obsessive fixation on presenting a distorted view of ours. The trick for
us, Jay, is to avoid judging him as a person, as I was doing, and simply
respond to the details of his complaints, or, when you've wearied of doing
that, just ignore him, or get another reader that allows killfiling.
>
> I think not.
>
> Injustice: Fred publicly posts to Usenet with no other intention but
> to slander the Baha'i Faith's Administrative Order in its entirety.
Not so! 1) His intention is to -libel-; by calling it -slander-, one
wonders if you've accepted his cookies. 2)Sometimes he is just libelling
AOL, or Susan Maneck, or soc.religion.bahai, etc.
> He
> levies an idle complaint of his own and conveys the cries of "foul" by
> others, substantiating hearsay. And yet, the Baha'i Administrative
> Order does nothing to attack or slander him. Is this justice, the best
> beloved of all things in the eyes of God?
>
It's plainly hypocrisy. The fact that Fred seizes centerstage, whines
about the AO, and plainly plays the hypocrite, leaves many reform-minded
Baha'is with the terrible suspicion that Fred is simply the lackey of the
most tradition-bound member(s) of the administrative order who've
conspired to cast any criticism in a bd light via association with a
malodorous and mischievous munifaq.
>
> I think not.
>
> Fred is a relatively brilliant man with a keen eye for noticing the
> flaws of mortal men.
I'm not so sure. I think Fred monitors channels of dissent and taps in,
often completing mistaking the offensive veins in the complaints he
monitors. He posts his versions here and, as folks react to his (fresh)
outrages, he adjusts to find the more embarassing angles.
Jay, one of Fred's outcomes to a fresh outrage is to take the remarks of
Baha'is, such as yourself, and replay them. For example, after the
September 11 attack he tied the UHJ in w/ terrorists, and this brought a
visceral response from a loyal Baha'i. Fred then played back that Baha'is
visceral response as an example of a "fundamentalist mania",
decontextualizing both his provocation, and the Baha'is subsequent
apology.
*Caution*: Fred will get you if you are not very careful, and he will use
your reactions to his stuff as "evidence" that we are "blah, blah yada
yada"
> Should his sight turn to the *successes* and good
> deeds of the Baha'i Faith also and note them well, think of the
> justice he could perform!
Likely that is completely contrary to his beliefs and practices. He's
more interested in child molestation.
Dermod Ryder
Who would you be referring to here - Peter Khan, Ian Simple or the
Dear Lady, aka the Maxwell Smart of the Administrative Revelation?
Paul Hammond
While, some just have "sense of humour fatigue".
Paul