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Jon Gefaell

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Dec 18, 1993, 10:51:08 PM12/18/93
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In article <lfernCI...@netcom.com>, T. David <lf...@netcom.com> wrote:
>The following was from Kerry Harrison of Dell
>(7133...@compuserve.com):
>==cut==
>Here is our official reply...
>

What this amounts to is a denial of security for Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and
Transgenered people at Dell. They will never see another penny that I have
influence over.

I have no time or patience to be toyed with by Dell. Either they're part
of the solution, or they're part of the problem. Apparently they refuse
to take a stand as being part of the solution.
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T. David

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Dec 14, 1993, 9:47:08 AM12/14/93
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The following was from Kerry Harrison of Dell
(7133...@compuserve.com):
==cut==
Here is our official reply...

Statement:

Recent statements on both America Online and CompuServe, implying that Dell is
not living up to its commitment to the equal and fair treatment of its
employees, are patently false. We would like to set the record straight.

Dell is an equal opportunity employer and is committed to a diverse workforce.
The company does not discriminate against any individual or any group of
individuals for any reason whatsoever. Dell also gladly complies with all laws,
statutes and ordinances (including those relating to discrimination) everywhere
the company does business.

While Dell does not offer its employees non-married partner benefits, research
conducted by our benefits department indicates that our benefits program is
competitive with other companies in our industry, and compares favorably with
other companies our size in other industries, and in other regions of the
country.

It is inappropriate for any governmental body or special interest group to
attempt to influence Dell's, or any other company's benefits policies. If the
comments being made about Dell are aimed at pressuring the company into changing
its benefits policy, these tactics will not be successful.

Kerry Harrison
Dell Online Services
==cut==

My response to Kerry:

Kerry,

Your employment ads state: "Workforce diversity is an essential part of Dell's
commitment to quality and to the future. We encourage you to apply, whatever
your race, color, religion, national origin, gender, disability, or veteran
status."

Since "gender" is not defined by the Federal or Texas State government (as far
as I know), what is Dell's official definition of "gender."

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T. David

Jake Coughlin

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Dec 14, 1993, 3:05:44 PM12/14/93
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In <lfernCI...@netcom.com>,
lf...@netcom.com (T. David) writes:
>[in response to a letter from Dell:]

>Your employment ads state: "Workforce diversity is an essential part of Dell's
>commitment to quality and to the future. We encourage you to apply, whatever
>your race, color, religion, national origin, gender, disability, or veteran
>status."
>
>Since "gender" is not defined by the Federal or Texas State government (as far
>as I know), what is Dell's official definition of "gender."

gender is covered by the Civil Rights Act of 1964
but is limited solely to biological sex. the intent
is only to equalize treatment for women and
attempts to include sexual orientation under
gender have failed.

T. David

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Dec 19, 1993, 8:21:45 PM12/19/93
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In article <CI9K1...@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> je...@lambda.itc.Virginia.EDU (Jon Gefaell) writes:
>I have no time or patience to be toyed with by Dell. Either they're part
>of the solution, or they're part of the problem. Apparently they refuse
>to take a stand as being part of the solution.

Here's the weird thing... their printed EEO statement in their ad does
not specify commitment to their glb employees. And, their CompuServe
host seems to indicate that they do not have such recognition when he
posted Dell's official reply (if they had such, they would have
certainly stated it... at least I would have). BUT, their AOL host
stated in the NGLTF forum that Dell has had a postive glb EEO
statement since this Summer.

I'm not sure if the problem is that one hand at Dell doesn't know what
the other hand is doing, or someone isn't telling the truth.

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T. David

Cr...@fwva.saic.com

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Dec 22, 1993, 5:56:19 PM12/22/93
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lf...@netcom.com (T. David) writes:
>Kerry,
>
>Your employment ads state: "Workforce diversity is an essential part of Dell's
>commitment to quality and to the future. We encourage you to apply, whatever
>your race, color, religion, national origin, gender, disability, or veteran
>status."
>
>Since "gender" is not defined by the Federal or Texas State government (as far
>as I know), what is Dell's official definition of "gender."
>
>--
>T. David


it's been proven over and over that if it ain't specifically addressed it's
open for interpretation. As long as it doesn't include 'orientation' it's not
protected.
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