Question about Go Seigen
Xenafan
he is professionally retired, but I would like to know if he ever
plays exhibition games, teaching games and the like. I would also like
to know, if possible, if he finds time to play for amusement, with
friends and other retired pros.
Thanks in advance,
x
Chris Lawrence
> Does anybody know if Go Seigen still plays go? Of course I know that
There's a fascinating (if slightly dated) interview with him linked from
the MSO site (note the link at the end for all three parts).
http://www.msoworld.com/mindzine/news/orient/go/special/goseigen.html
It says there that he still holds study sessions which top Go players
attend. One of the names mentioned is Michael Redmond, who I've never
heard of apart from him being one of the game reviewers for the PandaNet
Magazine.
--
Chris
Nathan Apalit
> the MSO site (note the link at the end for all three parts).
>
> http://www.msoworld.com/mindzine/news/orient/go/special/goseigen.html
I remember posting a message to this group about this article when it first
came out and the only response I remember getting is someone calling me a
liar about the facts I quoted from it. Great interview and a must-read for
Go Seigen fans. Example - "Was Honinbo Shusai a villain? He was a
scoundrel! How the Ki-in manages to deify this person of all people is
unbelievable!".
Tweedie
>It says there that he still holds study sessions which top Go players
>attend. One of the names mentioned is Michael Redmond, who I've never
>heard of apart from him being one of the game reviewers for the PandaNet
>Magazine.
Michael Redmond is a Nihon Kiin 9 dan professional Go player, and a
member of IGS with an anonymous handle. Most professional Go players
frequently use IGS for study; safer to practice new ideas on IGS
rather than during tournaments. :) One can learn a lot about these
new ideas by watching the many pro study groups on IGS. Hint: most
of the IGS 7d* players are pros, and all the 8d* and higher are pros,
as well as a lot of 6d players (the pros start at 6d and work their
way up through 7d*, 8d*, 9d*, and few made 10d* for a short time).
The pros on IGS are not limited to those in Japan.
Chris Lawrence
> new ideas by watching the many pro study groups on IGS. Hint: most
> of the IGS 7d* players are pros, and all the 8d* and higher are pros,
> as well as a lot of 6d players (the pros start at 6d and work their
> way up through 7d*, 8d*, 9d*, and few made 10d* for a short time).
> The pros on IGS are not limited to those in Japan.
Some of the pros on IGS are actually listed as pros, for example Yuki
Shigeno - shigeno(2p). Can you explain how the dan ranks translate into
pro ranks, not just on IGS but in general? Is there a standard way to
map pro skill to dan skill?
For example Shigeno is a 2p but does that mean she is ranked higher than
8d or that she is a the same level as a 'normal' 2d but playing
professionally? I'm a bit confused because I've seen 2p referred to as
"professional 2 dan" yet a 6d player will take a handicap from such a
player.
How come the pro players on IGS will often have a 'd' rank and not a 'p'
rank?
And was I daydreaming or did I see someone ranked as 12d playing on IGS
the other night?!
--
Chris
Xenafan
While this talk about pros on IGS is indeed very interesting, it does
not answer my original question. I did already know that Go Seigen
holds a study group (oh would that I could attend!), but what I really
wish to learn is this, "does he still play actual games of any kind?"
Again, thanks very much in advance if you can help me.
X
james
that the person is a pro player outside IGS. Pro rating never gets a *
because games pro played do not count toward a pro rating.
pro play as d - anonymous play.
james
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> Can you explain how the dan ranks translate into
> pro ranks, not just on IGS but in general? Is there a standard way to
> map pro skill to dan skill?
No, no standard way. Statistically it seems if you extend the "rating" graph
(not rank graph) up from the strange imposed maximum of what.. 5d/6d or so..
you find that insei strength is around 7d, and 1p strength is around 8d
amateur.
-frl
Tweedie
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>While this talk about pros on IGS is indeed very interesting, it does
>not answer my original question. I did already know that Go Seigen
>holds a study group (oh would that I could attend!), but what I really
>wish to learn is this, "does he still play actual games of any kind?"
>Again, thanks very much in advance if you can help me.
The pros on IGS play anonymously for a reason. I have stated all
that I can.
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Tweedie
The IGS ratings were tuned a while back so that 9p = 9d*, and
1p would be about high 6d* - low 7d*.
For non-professional games on IGS, the pros prefer to use a
d* rating rather than a 'p' rank.
gowan
One of the names mentioned is Michael Redmond, who I've never
> heard of apart from him being one of the game reviewers for the PandaNet
> Magazine.
Michael Redmond was born in the United States and learned go there,
reaching amateur 5-dan by age 13 at which time he went to Japan to
become a live-in pupil of Ueda Yusuke 9-dan, a famous teacher of many
professionals. Redmond progressed rapidly through the ranks, becoming
the first "westerner" to reach professional 9-dan. If you go to the
U.S. Go COngress (next year in Rochester, NY) you might meet him
because he often attends.
On IGS pros use "p" ranks when playing "officially" or teaching. When
playing for fun or study they use ordinary "d" ranks and anonymous
"handles" probably so they won't have the pressure that would go along
with their real names and ranks. That might inhibit experimentation.
SInce the world would be watching every game would become a "serious"
one.
As for translating between "p" ranks and "d" ranks, there is no
definite formula. SInce almost all games on servers are fast games,
and pros experiment a lot their "d" ranks might vary. Also, several
"p" rank steps are equivalent to one "d" rank step.
John Fairbairn
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>
> While this talk about pros on IGS is indeed very interesting, it does
> not answer my original question. I did already know that Go Seigen
> holds a study group (oh would that I could attend!), but what I really
> wish to learn is this, "does he still play actual games of any kind?"
>
groups, and handicap games with lucky amateurs. He's pretty active in other
ways, too, such as commenting.
BEAR
Chris Lawrence wrote:
I think the correct answer is as follows:
If playing on IGS in a teaching or tournament play, a ranked pro will use the
same rank that he/she holds professionally.
Therefore a 2p is a 2 dan professional out in the "real world."
If playing as an "anonymous" player on IGS, pros have a regualar d* ratings
which will rise and fall just like anyone elses on IGS, without out regard to their
nominal "real world" professional accreditation.
Therefore a 9p pro could possibly play loose games and drop below the rating
of a much weaker "pro" player on IGS, since it is all just the same rating system
that depends upon wins and losses.
The 12d* was probably "tobe" - and this is a "special" rating which reflects
the legendary status of this player in the earlier days of IGS as a 9d*. Since
the ratings have been adjusted up, apparently tobe's status has been similarly
adjusted... ask Tweet about it, I guess.
Just who "tobe" is/was is something that many would like to know... '- )
_-_-bear
Roy Schmidt
> Just who "tobe" is/was is something that many would like to
know... '- )
"tobe" as in TBD, it is/was a guest account. In Jim (zhuge) Yu's
(un)official history of IGS, Zhujiu Jiang is named as the first pro to
use this account. Many of us have watched "tobe" give high handicaps
to strong players, especially when the time limit was *very* fast.
Cheers, Roy
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Ironco
Wu Ching Yuan is planning on going to Taiwan, R.O.C. He will be
traveling with Lin Hai Feng his student and also Jang Yu (Cho U) Lin's
student. The three generations of student and teacher will be in
Taiwan from September 26th through the 30th. They will visit the
Taiwan Chi Yuan (Ki-In).
I realy wish I got to meet Mr. Wu at least once in my life. All
those lucky people in Taiwan who will have a chance to talk to him!
If you read Chinese, here is the link where I found the news:
http://taiwango.org.tw/news/newsinfo.asp?id=116
Cheers,
Ironco
Nathan Apalit
> those lucky people in Taiwan who will have a chance to talk to him!
> If you read Chinese, here is the link where I found the news:
> http://taiwango.org.tw/news/newsinfo.asp?id=116
>
> Cheers,
> Ironco
I'd love to meet him too - I bet I'd get at least 2 stones stronger by
simply shaking hands with him :)