New Photoshop CS Contains Macrovision Spyware
Rick
called "Adobe LM Service", this is Macrovision SafeCast spyware.
This spyware cannot be disabled. When the startup type in WinXP
or Windows 2000 is set to "disabled", SafeCast re-enables itself the
next time Photoshop is started.
Just an FYI for anyone considering upgrading. Adobe has finally
fallen over the edge.
Rick
Bob Niland
> If you've bought Photoshop CS and have
> noticed a new service called "Adobe LM
> Service", this is Macrovision SafeCast spyware.
Is this part of the foul Product Activation
that we already knew about, or a different
virus?
Adobe is going to need to learn the same
painful expensive lesson that Intuit learned
last year with TurboTax. Intuit relented,
but probably too late.
I was routinely upgrading Adobe and Macromedia
software until I caught wind of the Activation.
No more upgrades for me, and I will consider
alternative products if new requirements arise.
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Rick
> > Rick <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > If you've bought Photoshop CS and have
> > noticed a new service called "Adobe LM
> > Service", this is Macrovision SafeCast spyware.
>
> Is this part of the foul Product Activation
> that we already knew about, or a different
> virus?
Not quite a virus, but SafeCast does a lot more than advertised.
Each time Photoshop is started, SafeCast takes an inventory of
the machine it's installed on, and will refuse to load the application
if it decides too much has changed. The copy protection appears
to be analogous to that found in Windows XP:
http://www.macrovision.com/products/safecast/safecast_pa_faq.shtml
The most frightening part of SafeCast is that the licensing terms
can be changed AFTER THE PRODUCT IS PURCHASED.
So, for example, if Abobe decides to make Photoshop a
pay-per-use application and customers do not agree to these
terms, Adobe can remotely pull the plug on these customers.
Rick
avoi...@invalid.net
>The most frightening part of SafeCast is that the licensing terms
>can be changed AFTER THE PRODUCT IS PURCHASED.
>So, for example, if Abobe decides to make Photoshop a
>pay-per-use application and customers do not agree to these
>terms, Adobe can remotely pull the plug on these customers.
Unless like Turbotax the users pull the plug first!
Rick
> What about cracked versions ? i'm sure that the activation will get cracked
> and probably stop issue in its tracks. WindowsXP activation was supposed to
> be flawless, its been cracked...
Sure, but most users (i.e. legitimate, paying Adobe customers)
aren't going to use a crack.
I would never claim Adobe doesn't have the right to protect its
intellectual property, or even that people shouldn't buy Photoshop
CS because of this activation/spyware nonsense. But I also think
consumers should be made aware of what they're signing up for
_before_ they buy a product, not after.
Rick
Bob Ward
Other than the obvious - that, for whatever reason, you are apparently
opposed to Adobe protecting their intellectual property rights, what
evidence can you provide to support your contention that their copy
protection method functions as spyware? This was part of the
disinformation being spread about TurboTax earlier this year, as well.
For those who are interested, Adobe has a site that discusses the copy
protection issue at length - it is at
http://www.adobe.com/activation/main.html.
I've seen nothing in Adobe's past to indicate that they would be
anything but straightforward in their attempts to curb illegal copies
of their software.
Rick
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 01:01:27 -0800, "Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >"What The!" <bl...@blah.comm> wrote in message news:Jn0tb.10355$aT....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> What about cracked versions ? i'm sure that the activation will get cracked
> >> and probably stop issue in its tracks. WindowsXP activation was supposed to
> >> be flawless, its been cracked...
> >
> >Sure, but most users (i.e. legitimate, paying Adobe customers)
> >aren't going to use a crack.
> >
> >I would never claim Adobe doesn't have the right to protect its
> >intellectual property, or even that people shouldn't buy Photoshop
> >CS because of this activation/spyware nonsense. But I also think
> >consumers should be made aware of what they're signing up for
> >_before_ they buy a product, not after.
> >
>
> opposed to Adobe protecting their intellectual property rights,
I just said I wasn't opposed to it. Can't you read?
> what
> evidence can you provide to support your contention that their copy
> protection method functions as spyware? This was part of the
> disinformation being spread about TurboTax earlier this year, as well.
Any utility that keeps tabs on changes I make to my own
hardware is, by definition, spyware. And that's exactly what
Adobe is doing. They have the right to protect their IP, but
what I do with my own _hardware_ is none of their damned
business. In fact, I make so many changes to my systems on
a routine basis that such protection schemes render software
completely unusable to me. I can't install Windows XP for the
exact same reason.
> For those who are interested, Adobe has a site that discusses the copy
> protection issue at length - it is at
> http://www.adobe.com/activation/main.html.
That's standard feel-good marketing fluff.
> I've seen nothing in Adobe's past to indicate that they would be
> anything but straightforward in their attempts to curb illegal copies
> of their software.
Starting services, contacting the internet, etc. without my
permission, or even without any notification is _not_ being
"straighforward". This is going to land Adobe on the shit lists
of a whole lot of system admins, and deservedly so.
Rick
Tim Ashman
>
>> For those who are interested, Adobe has a site that discusses the copy
>> protection issue at length - it is at
>> http://www.adobe.com/activation/main.html.
>
I see nothing here that says a program is going to running on my computer
forever without being able to disable it. I don't think adobe is being
upfront at all.
Do you have other adobe info that mentions this LM Service?
Unclaimed Mysteries
Wafers?:
> "What The!" <bl...@blah.comm> wrote in message news:Jn0tb.10355$aT....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
>>What about cracked versions ? i'm sure that the activation will get cracked
>>and probably stop issue in its tracks. WindowsXP activation was supposed to
>>be flawless, its been cracked...
>
>
> Sure, but most users (i.e. legitimate, paying Adobe customers)
> aren't going to use a crack.
>
Legitimate, paying Adobe customers don't deserve to be spied upon and
generally treated like crap. Do they?
> I would never claim Adobe doesn't have the right to protect its
> intellectual property, or even that people shouldn't buy Photoshop
> CS because of this activation/spyware nonsense. But I also think
> consumers should be made aware of what they're signing up for
> _before_ they buy a product, not after.
Exactly. One more thing:
WTF is intellectual property? It's not a legal term. I know of
copyright. I know of patent. I know of trademark.
I believe "Intellectual property" is a bogus catch-all term used by
companies to make all kinds of absurd claims on things they have no
right to control.
And they get away with it largely because people are too skeered of
somehow being associated with that commie-linux-h4XX0r,
black-foil-hat-tin-helicopter crowd.
People have been marketed into submission.
Corry
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Darrell
You not own it (technically you don't now) and you will be required to
remove it when the next release is issued. MS Longhorn may do that on it's
release, old ludditeslike me running Win98SE would had been required to
upgrade to Me, and to XP. I usually skip a generation, went from Win95 SR2.5
to 98SE, saw no advantage to ME (2000 was really rebadged NT). But in the
next era, we'll end up with even more releases...
thrillcat
"I know you love your car, sir, but it's last year's model. It doesn't
really matter that it runs fine. You can't drive that anymore. You need to
upgrade."
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Ray Fischer
>"Bob Ward" <bob...@email.com> wrote in message news:ie79rvg5hg530vc89...@4ax.com...
>> what
>> evidence can you provide to support your contention that their copy
>> protection method functions as spyware? This was part of the
>> disinformation being spread about TurboTax earlier this year, as well.
>
>Any utility that keeps tabs on changes I make to my own
>hardware is, by definition, spyware.
So Windows XP is spyware? After all, you cannot make changes to your
hardware without XP noticing.
--
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rfis...@sonic.net
GregR
> WTF is intellectual property? It's not a legal term.
Yes it is.
> I know of
> copyright. I know of patent. I know of trademark.
"Intellectual property" is a legal term that incorporates all of those areas:
http://www.findlaw.com/01topics/23intellectprop/
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Ed
right to come up with various scenarios on how to market their products.
Outright sale, lease, rental, or even give them away if they want.
We as customers also have the right to either pick one of their options or
go to the competitor if we want. If I don't like the choices, I could build
my own car. We also have the right to make up our own terms with the dealer
such as leasing but not turning the car in at the end, just taking a car off
the lot without paying at all, etc. Seems like software shouldn't be that
much different.
--
Ed
Remove the capital ST spam trap
when replying directly to me.
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Matt
Internet "privacy" is rapidly evaporating as many new versions of
expensive programs seek to implant monitoring capabilities in their
releases.
Most certainly this could provide many the incentive to "fall over the
edge" as you say, and visit one of the warez groups to obtain a
"cracked" Photoshop CS that does not call home. You could also
install a program like ZoneAlarm Pro that asks your permission before
allowing any program to access the Internet. It also optionally
"remembers" what you did, so that it never happens again. There is a
growing trend among the high-end programs to incorporate some form of
spyware like this, but fortunately there are solutions.
I've noticed that many programs now sneak access the Internet with
the claimed intention of allowing sharing to take place between users
of the same program, or to permit access to databases or utilities not
provided in the program itself. A case in point might be the new MS
Word, or MathCAD. I don't know about you, but I'm not particularly
trusting.
Try a program like DU Meter that graphically monitors all I/O from
your computer. Most are surprised to see the amount of unexpected
regular activity that occurs as the result of spyware taken on without
the user's knowledge. Unless you want your computer use to be
something other than private, consider installing Ad-Aware (or
similar) that allows you to periodically clean house to get rid of
this stuff. It's not only breaching your privacy, but when there are
enough of these critters hanging out in your registry and elsewhere
they can adversely affect the speed at which many programs function.
Rick
I've already explained that. Yes, WPA _is_ spyware. I'd love to
upgrade my Win2k to WinXP, but can't because I'm routinely
swapping out my motherboard, hard drives and other hardware
on an almost daily basis, and I'm forced to either call MS several
times a week to get their permission to use software I've already
bought, or use a crack-from-God-knows-where. MS and now
Adobe have left no legal choice for a sizeable chunk of their
customers, and if the trend continues we'll be stuck with obsolete
and unsuppoted versions of everything.
Rick
Matt
Never use XP Personal -- only XP Corporate. XP Personal allows a
certain number of hardware mods before shutting down, but it's never
been clear exactly how many, I'd rather not have to guess.
Keith Clark
avoi...@invalid.net wrote:
Ditto.
This sort of thing Adobe is pulling should be illegal, as it goes
against every consumer protection law on the books.
So call EFF, ACLU, etc. Call what's-his-name, Ralph Nader since he's a
publicity hound and loves issues like this where the pubic good is at
risk - it'll get attention and that's what matters.
Organize a mass "march" on Adobe headquarters, show up on their doorstep
with your boxes of this defective software (any software that acts like
this is defective), and demand a refund under the Truth in Advertising
law or whatever else will work, after all, were you told in any way
before you purchased the software, that this would be the case? Not
likely.
Linux users did something similar with Microsoft since every machine
sold is "Taxed" by Microsoft whether or not you intend to use their
software or not, and it did get a significant amount of publicity.
Make sure you get media coverage. Issue press releases, call press
conferences, provide news stations with video of your attempts to get
refunds for that garbage.
I'm glad I stayed with Photoshop 7. I'll never buy another Adobe
product.
Maybe it's time to switch to Gimp.
--Keith
Keith Clark
Unclaimed Mysteries wrote:
>
>
> And they get away with it largely because people are too skeered of
> somehow being associated with that commie-linux-h4XX0r,
> black-foil-hat-tin-helicopter crowd.
Careful, Linux is a legitimate commercial OS that millions of people use every day for day to day things
like email, word processing/spreadsheets, web page editing, video editing, watching DVDs, making Disney
movies, running stock brokerage houses, etc.
I'm using SuSE 9 at home and on a machine in my cubicle currently and like it better than XP from a
desktop user experience point of view. Yeah, you have to buy it, you can't download it, but it's far
cheaper than XP ($50 for the "upgrade version which is the full version minus printed manuals - included
in HTML form on the DVD and CDs, save a tree), has no "activation" requirements, is much faster and more
powerful while being just as easy and has as much if not more "eye candy" from a desktop perspective while
still being very, very fast and productive. Not to mention that you can use the same machine as a file
server and get 3 times the performance of Windows Server 2003.
--Keith
Keith Clark
Darrell wrote:
In the next era, hopefully people will wake up and smell the source.
There is an awful lot of very good open source software out there that's very
suitable for a large range of users.
For example MS Office is no longer needed thanks to Open Office 1.1. And yes, it
runs on Windows or Linux or OS-X (which is really open-source Unix with a pretty
closed-source face). Open Office is free (as in beer and as in speech), open
source, or if you want more filters and tools and a printed manual and support
you can pay for it and still save hundreds of dollars over Microsoft Office.
It's opened every complicated macro-infested spreadsheet and Word document I've
thrown at it, and it's an outstanding HTML editor as well, not to mention
lightning quick. It starts faster than MS Word.
To be fair though, Win2K is a lot more than a "re-badged NT". Obviously you
haven't used NT4 Workstation. NT4 sucks as a workstation although it never
crashes except in very rare cases or if you run certain CAD tools (I used to be
able to crash it on command using a PCB schematic capture tool). Administration
is a royal pain. Win2K made administration much easier while keeping the NT
kernel. There is no reason that anyone should keep using Win98SE when Win2K is
here, other than price. The difference in stability is orders of magnitude
better with Win2K over 98SE. I still hate Microsoft though...
There's absolutely no reason to use "licenseware". Go get a copy of SuSE 9
Upgrade edition for the price of a game (fifty bucks), or spend an extra $15 if
you want printed manuals in the box (Fry's and Amazon both have really good
prices on it), make a 10 GB unformatted partition to install it in or just use a
blank drive, and watch the installer set up a dual boot option automatically and
see how slick it is, and then realize that the whole OS (5 CDs of applications)
is Open Source except for just a very few things (Real Player and some others,
like the Sun Java runtime etc), and that what you're paying for isn't a
"license" at all, but for very slick setup utilities that make child's play
(literally) of hardware settings and other advanced administration chores of
otherwise free and open software that can run circles around Microsoft's OS in
terms of performance. It's the way of the future. Just ask many European
governments.
--Keith
Keith Clark
Ray Fischer wrote:
>
> So Windows XP is spyware? After all, you cannot make changes to your
> hardware without XP noticing.
>
By golly, I think he's got it!
WinXP, Office XP are most definitely spyware, crippleware, etc.
Keith Clark
Matt wrote:
Or use Linux! It's as easy to use as XP (RTFM always applies to any software), more powerful, costs
less, is more filling and has fewer calories, even though it usually consists of several CD's to install
it compared to Microsoft's paltry one CD. I just installed SuSE 9 this week and was blown away - it
automatically found my Windows 2000 installation, made itself a dual-boot configuration, had wizards as
easy to use as anything out of Redmond (set up my printer, DSL connection, TV tuner card, Wacom tablet
all with the click of a mouse from a wizard). After the install it automatically went online and checked
for critical updates which it installed without me needing to "register" or "activate" anything. When it
was done it gave me a chance to automatically download a 3D driver for my Nvidia FX 5600 card, which it
installed without requiring a reboot (almost nothing in Linux requires a reboot). I installed Unreal
Tournament 2003 straight from the CD with no extra downloads and it ran faster than it ever did in
Windows. I installed Crossover Office and then got out my Photoshop 7 CD and loaded Photoshop. A full
office suite (Open Office 1.1) was installed as well as two video editors (Main Actor and Kino)
automatically. I can click on "add/remove programs" any time to easily add more stuff from the CDs or to
remove stuff I don't use. I can burn CDs and DVDs from a graphical interface as good as anything in
Windows. I can add True Type or Post Script fonts by dragging and dropping them into the fonts folder or
with a point & click tool in the Control Panel. I can let someone else log in and use the system while
my desktop is still up and running and switch between them with a keystroke, just like XP (and Linux had
it first, by the way).
And thanks to the smart installer, I can still reboot to Win2K for the rare times when I want to use
that for something I can't do in Linux (I think I booted my home machine to Win2K 3 times last month,
and it wasn't to edit video or rip DVDs).
Oh, and the cost was about the same as a good game ($50 because I didn't feel I needed manuals since
they get installed on the hard drive anyway - I printed off the critical stuff I would need if the
system was hosed and set a bookmark in the web browser for the rest).
--Keith
Russell Williams
http://www.adobe.com/activation/
Russell Williams
not speaking for Adobe Systems
jean
> upgrade my Win2k to WinXP, but can't because I'm routinely
> swapping out my motherboard, hard drives and other hardware
From what I have experienced and read, W2000 will not come up with a
motherboard change, cracked or not unless the chipset is very very close.
But contrary to XP all you need (aside from a re-install of course) is the
correct codes.
Jean
leo
news:7zetb.46179$xI2.1...@news20.bellglobal.com...
True but it has nothing to do with authorization. W2K possibly had the MB
drivers hard-coded and didn't do hardware detection when starting up. You
can (re)install w2K millions of times, not so with XP, and many many many
new software with Macrovision and the number of reinstallation is limited by
the software publishers.
jean
"Keith Clark" <clarkpho...@hotmail.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:3FB565CA...@hotmail.com...
I don't want to start a war, I even bottom posted in unix/linux fashion and
don't get me wrong, I use Linux also BUT some things, especially new stuff
doesn't work in Linux. My Canon i950 and S330 printers have no drivers
unless I purchase one for $25 US. I know it's Canon's fault and I have
complained to them but that takes time, enough time to make cutting edge
technology become obsolete.
Jean
Larry C.
<theletter_k_and...@unclaimedmysteries.net> wrote:
>WTF is intellectual property? It's not a legal term. I know of
>copyright. I know of patent. I know of trademark.
>
>I believe "Intellectual property" is a bogus catch-all term used by
>companies to make all kinds of absurd claims on things they have no
>right to control.
Ahhh, you demonstrate your ignorance well.
Of course "Intellectual property" is a legal term. See US Code, Title 15,
Chapter 22. Or go to the the web site for the US Patent and Trademark
Office and do a search.
Chris Mauritz
And people are doing real work on high value projects (Disney, ILM,
Dreamworks) banking on Linux to do the heavy lifting.
For home and professional users wishing to do video editing with
professional tools on Linux, there is always Cinelerra.
http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
Check the screenshots and the online manual. And it's F-R-E-E.
Cheers,
C
Bob
I've never had any problem moving Win2000 to new motherboards.
Bob
Rick
A previous post explained the difference. The issue here is
activation not reinstallation. Win 2000 is not limited to a certain
number of reinstalls, but Win XP and the Photoshop CS are.
Rick
Steve Friedman
wrote:
What capture hardware will it work with?
Rick
The standard feel-good, disingenuous marketing fluff.
Adobe's copy protection stinks, Russell. The bean counters
have finally gotten the best of your company.
Rick
Bob Ward
>> I've seen nothing in Adobe's past to indicate that they would be
>> anything but straightforward in their attempts to curb illegal copies
>> of their software.
>
>Starting services, contacting the internet, etc. without my
>permission, or even without any notification is _not_ being
>"straighforward". This is going to land Adobe on the shit lists
>of a whole lot of system admins, and deservedly so.
Where are you getting your information? The only time I see that the
Internet is being contacted is the activation process, when the
activation code is generated and stored locally. From that point on,
from what Adobe describes, it checks that code on startup to verify
that it still matches. Are you saying that "Click here to activate if
you have an internet connection" is not giving adequate notification?
jean
> with a
> > motherboard change, cracked or not unless the chipset is very
> very close.
> > But contrary to XP all you need (aside from a re-install of
> course) is the
> > correct codes.
>
> I've never had any problem moving Win2000 to new motherboards.
You can't just take a HD running on one MB and plug it into another
different one (ex: from a P3 MB to a P4 MB or from an AMD MB from one
manufacturer to an AMD MB from another manufacturer) You can re-install on
a new MB without any problems.
Jean
Ric
>On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:10:53 -0800, "Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>The most frightening part of SafeCast is that the licensing terms
>>can be changed AFTER THE PRODUCT IS PURCHASED.
>>So, for example, if Abobe decides to make Photoshop a
>>pay-per-use application and customers do not agree to these
>>terms, Adobe can remotely pull the plug on these customers.
>
>
>Unless like Turbotax the users pull the plug first!
Precisely what I did. When I got my offer from Intuit for the new Turbo Tax I
wrote "No thanks keep your spyware" across the face of the card and returned
it in the postage paid envelope.
I'm not typically a guy who enjoys seeing other people get in trouble but I
hope whoever it was at Intuit that came up with that Safecast idea got his
butt kicked.
Ray Fischer
>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message news:bp3324$8dj$1...@bolt.sonic.net...
>> Rick <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> >"Bob Ward" <bob...@email.com>
>> >> what
>> >> evidence can you provide to support your contention that their copy
>> >> protection method functions as spyware? This was part of the
>> >> disinformation being spread about TurboTax earlier this year, as well.
>> >
>> >Any utility that keeps tabs on changes I make to my own
>> >hardware is, by definition, spyware.
>>
>> So Windows XP is spyware? After all, you cannot make changes to your
>> hardware without XP noticing.
>
>I've already explained that. Yes, WPA _is_ spyware.
Ya know what? You're a stupid ass.
The key point you ignore is that this supposed "spyware" isn't doing
any spying. It's not reporting to anybody what you're doing. It's
not revealing your secrets to anybody. It is not spyware. The only
reason you call it that is if you actually told the truth then nobody
would listen to your childish little whinings.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Keith Clark
Exactly.
Don't forget the entry level Kino, which is the easy to use eqivalent of
many $50-100 Windows editors, will auto-split captured files into any size
you want (great for avoiding audio-sync issues with long captures), and
was feayured in Linux Magazine (September 2003) and has a really valuable
peep-peer user forum on the website. It makes outstanding DivX files and
can export to DVD and SVCD profiles too (we won't mention VCD although it
can do that too). Open source, license-fee-free.
It gets installed in a standard SuSE install. No muss, no fuss.
Because it's licensed under the GPL, anyone can extend the code-base to
make even better applications as long as they keep their changes open
source too, so everyone benefits.
People ask how stuff like this can make money, since Cinelerra is a high
powered app and free/open. At least one company sells workstations
preconfigured with it, and sells their support services. So you can make
money with open source if you're smart, and everyine benefits. There's
nothing "communist" about open source.
Oh, ever hear of Blender? it's open source now... I'm not good at 3D but
it's fun to play with. Some people are amazing with it.
--Keith
Rick
From my testing so far it appears to work this way: if an
internet connection is not available at the time of installation,
but is available the first time it's run after installation, it will
attempt to connect without any notification. Unfortunately I
didn't have a sniffer on the line when I installed CS the first
time, so I need to uninstall it, re-Ghost my drive, re-install
CS and try the same procedure. But I'm 100% certain I
saw the SD/RD lights on my external modem blink several
times the first time CS was run, so it's definitely looking for
an internet connection.
Rick
Keith Clark
Well, it all depends, doesn't it?
I mean what are you working with? DV? HD?
It works with IEEE-1394 so any modern (P4 / Athlon) with a good amount of
memory and a fast dedicated hard drivewill work.
Obviously for HD capture the data rates would be substantially higher than
for DV.
Check out the specs on the website that Chris posted.
--Keith
Rick
I suggest you pick up a good dictionary and look up the word.
To spy simply means to watch. Whether one reports what they
see to anyone else doesn't matter in the least. It's still spying.
As for stupid ass and childish whinings, from the vast majority
of other responses in this thread so far, I'd say the issue is a little
more complicated than you're pea brain can handle.
Rick
Bob Ward
I guess by your definition, then, every piece of software ever written
is spyware, since it all watches the keyboard port to see if a key has
been pressed.
Rick
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:00:24 -0800, "Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message news:bp4eei$77k$1...@bolt.sonic.net...
> >>
> >> The key point you ignore is that this supposed "spyware" isn't doing
> >> any spying. It's not reporting to anybody what you're doing. It's
> >> not revealing your secrets to anybody. It is not spyware. The only
> >> reason you call it that is if you actually told the truth then nobody
> >> would listen to your childish little whinings.
> >
> >I suggest you pick up a good dictionary and look up the word.
> >To spy simply means to watch. Whether one reports what they
> >see to anyone else doesn't matter in the least. It's still spying.
> >
> >As for stupid ass and childish whinings, from the vast majority
> >of other responses in this thread so far, I'd say the issue is a little
> >more complicated than you're pea brain can handle.
>
> is spyware, since it all watches the keyboard port to see if a key has
> been pressed.
If a piece of software checks my hardware and intentionally
disables software on my system if it doesn't like what it sees,
"spyware" would be a most generous term for it.
Rick
Bob Ward
I guess you still have the option of either not purchasing the
software, or going ahead and stealing it anyway, then.
Rick
> On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 22:22:07 -0800, "Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >"Bob Ward" <bob...@email.com> wrote in message news:b2hbrvs76hbjkf565...@4ax.com...
> >> is spyware, since it all watches the keyboard port to see if a key has
> >> been pressed.
> >
> >If a piece of software checks my hardware and intentionally
> >disables software on my system if it doesn't like what it sees,
> >"spyware" would be a most generous term for it.
> >
>
> software, or going ahead and stealing it anyway, then.
I'll take the first option, as I'm not a thief. If I were I never
would have bothered starting this thread in the first place.
Rick
RAD
Matt wrote:
><snip>> XP Personal allows a
> certain number of hardware mods before shutting down, but it's never
> been clear exactly how many, I'd rather not have to guess.
I know someone that has done well over a dozen mods, and XP Home didn't
shut down. Did on my system after 8. Said call Microsoft.
Rick
> In article <bp47ol$1l0muj$1...@ID-82690.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Which would be what, about 93% of the world's computer owners?
Rick
Steven M. Scharf
news:bp1eev$1jjh6c$1...@ID-82690.news.uni-berlin.de...
>If you've bought Photoshop CS and have noticed a new service
>called "Adobe LM Service", this is Macrovision SafeCast spyware.
>
>This spyware cannot be disabled. When the startup type in WinXP
>or Windows 2000 is set to "disabled", SafeCast re-enables itself the
>next time Photoshop is started.
>
>Just an FYI for anyone considering upgrading. Adobe has finally
>fallen over the edge.
While it is inaccurate to call SafeCast spyware, it does make the
software much less useful, especially due to problems when you
upgrade your system or buy a new system.
Intuit learned the hard way about messing with its users, and had
to back down on Safecast. Adobe may not be as affected by a
consumer backlash as Intuit because users that don't want to deal
with Safecast can just continue to use their current version of
Photoshop and not upgrade. For TurboTax, the older versions are
not usable year after year. The motivation for Intuit adopting Safecase
was actually not illegal copying, but the ability to push out millions of
unactivated CDs to its customer base, hoping to get them to activate
directly with Intuit rather than buying the retail product at the store
(so Intuit could could out the retailer out of the supply chain).
As long as Adobe discloses, in advance, that the product has the
limitations imposed by Safecast, I don't see anything wrong with
what they're doing, other than being rather short-sighted. There is
a lot more incentive for hackers to crack Photoshop's copy
protection than there was for anyone to try it on TurboTax.
I'm so sick of companies hampering their legitmate, paying customers.
I just had to deal with region coding and Macrovision problems on
DVDs. These are DVDs that I bought, at retail, from a store, that I
could not play on my DVD player without going through a lot of
hassle to work around the region coding and Macrovision issues.
I'd like to see the same backlash against Adobe as happened with
Intuit, but I don't think that it's likely. Adobe will see a decrease in
sales of course, but they may be willing to accept this in return for
lower piracy. What they won't see is people that used to steal their
software suddenly lining up to buy legal copies--it just doesn't work
that way. The new features on the newer versions of Photoshop are
almost completely unnecessary and it's not like the older versions won't
continue to work (unlike TurboTax). Also, there are Photoshop
alternatives that meet the needs of most people.
Chris Brown
Sloopy <slo...@hangon.xyz> wrote:
>
>Who cares? It only effects people dumb enough to buy a Windoze machine.
ITYM "affects". People are only effected by their parents, HTH!
leo
news:vrbtrhl...@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <bp47ol$1l0muj$1...@ID-82690.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> "Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
It's real stupid to believe that Activiation doesn't exist in the Mac world.
Check out the new Macromedia Studio MX:
http://www.markme.com/jd/archives/003277.cfm
If the test run is in Adobe's benefit, it'll be implemented across the board
in all platforms.
Harry Da Hat
On 15-Nov-2003, "leo" <som...@somewhere.net> wrote:
> It's real stupid to believe that Activiation doesn't exist in the Mac
> world.
> Check out the new Macromedia Studio MX:
Activation does not work in the Windows world either. One call to Microsoft
took care of that with XP for me. I have activated the darned thing 12
times and counting upward so far. Having to run a Ghost image back onto a
system drive, monthly unfortunately. Having to fix stupid system problems.
Or changing to a larger system drives.
Harry
--
Fuji Cameras Make The Best Pets!!!!!!!!!!
mailto: hfla...@neb.rr.com
J...@no.komm
Sloopy <slo...@hangon.xyz> wrote:
>In article <bp47ol$1l0muj$1...@ID-82690.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> "Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>Who cares? It only effects people dumb enough to buy a Windoze machine.
I hope your self-esteem enjoyed the needed boost that prompted that
statement. Before they had multiple computer platforms, people like you
would wind up in street gangs or religious cults.
--
<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>>< ><<>
John P Sheehy <J...@no.komm>
><<> <>>< <>>< ><<> <>>< ><<> ><<> <>><
J...@no.komm
"jean" <look_for@my_email.org> wrote:
>I don't want to start a war, I even bottom posted in unix/linux fashion
I'd rather think of posting style in terms of old-school vs new-school.
I've used Linux, but not for posting (started that on an Amiga and
continued in Windows). I remember when usenet was neat, clear and
efficient, and it really wasn't about bottom-posting per se. It was
about trimming out irrelevant content from a quote, which you failed to
do. You quoted the whole thing, as a unit, which is new-school.
Billy_Big
<J...@no.komm> wrote in message
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Aadu K
Ak
"Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:bp3auo$1kmlmn$1...@ID-82690.news.uni-berlin.de...
> I've already explained that. Yes, WPA _is_ spyware. I'd love to
> upgrade my Win2k to WinXP, but can't because I'm routinely
> swapping out my motherboard, hard drives and other hardware
> on an almost daily basis,
Apexmeister
wrote:
> In message <vrbtrhl...@corp.supernews.com>,
> Sloopy <slo...@hangon.xyz> wrote:
>
> >In article <bp47ol$1l0muj$1...@ID-82690.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> > "Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Russell Williams" <williams...@adobe.com> wrote in message
> >> news:%Tdtb.844$Re.8...@newshog.newsread.com...
> >> > Info about activation:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.adobe.com/activation/
> >>
> >> The standard feel-good, disingenuous marketing fluff.
> >>
> >> Adobe's copy protection stinks, Russell. The bean counters
> >> have finally gotten the best of your company.
> >
> >
> >Who cares? It only effects people dumb enough to buy a Windoze machine.
>
> I hope your self-esteem enjoyed the needed boost that prompted that
> statement. Before they had multiple computer platforms, people like you
> would wind up in street gangs or religious cults.
Not to spawn a Mac vs. PC debate (I use both) but I found this
statement very interesting:
"DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy,
and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70
million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand,
may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that
numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."
New York Times, November 26, 1991
Jimmy
"Sloopy" <slo...@hangon.xyz> wrote in message news:vrbtrhl...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Who cares? It only effects people dumb enough to buy a Windoze machine.
>
> -Sloopy
Yup, but MAC will soon be next to receive the activation dance. As for Linux, they are out of the
picture anyway.
RipCurl
"What The!" <bl...@blah.comm> wrote in message
news:Jn0tb.10355$aT....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> What about cracked versions ? i'm sure that the activation will get
cracked
> and probably stop issue in its tracks. WindowsXP activation was supposed
to
> be flawless, its been cracked...
Cracked versions make the program useles. As in, you can't use Control+C or
Ctrl+V or any keyboard shortcuts. It's already been cracked and users of the
crack are now "posting" to adobe of the problems with shortcuts, WHICH only
appear in cracked versions. good sign showing that when one complains about
shortcuts, they aren't using "legit" copies.
Hey Im all for anything that prevents idiots from raising hte price of the
programs I use on a daily basis.
Jimmy
"Sloopy" <slo...@hangon.xyz> wrote in message news:vrcnqa6...@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <iHstb.2481$n23.774@okepread02>,
> "Jimmy" <whok...@nevermind.com> wrote:
>
> > "Sloopy" <slo...@hangon.xyz> wrote in message
> > news:vrbtrhl...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > >
> > > Who cares? It only effects people dumb enough to buy a Windoze
> > > machine.
> > >
> > > -Sloopy
> >
> > Yup, but MAC will soon be next to receive the activation dance.
>
>
> -Sloopy
Sorry, but make that MAC as in Macintosh.
David McCall
"Sloopy" <slo...@hangon.xyz> wrote in message news:vrcnqa6...@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <iHstb.2481$n23.774@okepread02>,
> "Jimmy" <whok...@nevermind.com> wrote:
>
> > news:vrbtrhl...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > >
> > > Who cares? It only effects people dumb enough to buy a Windoze
> > > machine.
> > >
> > > -Sloopy
> >
> > Yup, but MAC will soon be next to receive the activation dance.
>
>
Perhaps he was talkingabout a Macintosh Apple Computer :-)
David
> -Sloopy
Bob Ward
Why do you complain about your neighbor locking his front door, if
you're not a thief?
W6DKN
> "DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy,
> and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70
> million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand,
> may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that
> numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."
>
> New York Times, November 26, 1991
Very true, but but consider cockroaches are not conscious, reasoning
creatures. They cannot differentiate right from wrong, good from bad, etc.
On the other hand, those creatures that *do* have the ability to reason,
determine right from wrong, good from bad, etc., *overwhelmingly* choose
DOS/Windows/Intel based systems over systems offered from Apple.
= Dan =
Tom
>
> Why do you complain about your neighbor locking his front door, if
> you're not a thief?
>
>
Why must you be locked out if YOU are not a thief?
Tom
Vance Green
> In article <vrd9gu1...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "W6DKN" <w6dkn-...@qsl.net> wrote:
>
> > Apexmeister wrote:
> >
> > > "DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy,
> > > and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70
> > > million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand,
> > > may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that
> > > numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."
> > >
> > > New York Times, November 26, 1991
> >
> > Very true, but but consider cockroaches are not conscious, reasoning
> > creatures. They cannot differentiate right from wrong, good from bad,
etc.
>
>
> -Sloopy
Nice job of takin' stuff outta context, Sloopy.
There's a job waitin' fer ya at the White House,
I'm sure...
Bob Ward
If you don't try the door, how do you know you're locked out?
Why are you trying the door if you're not a thief?
Billy_Big
Adobe software is crap, and as for MAC..........
"Sloopy" <slo...@hangon.xyz> wrote in message
news:vrd9svs...@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <vrd9gu1...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "W6DKN" <w6dkn-...@qsl.net> wrote:
>
> > Apexmeister wrote:
> >
> > > "DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy,
> > > and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70
> > > million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand,
> > > may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that
> > > numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."
> > >
> > > New York Times, November 26, 1991
> >
> > Very true, but but consider cockroaches are not conscious, reasoning
> > creatures. They cannot differentiate right from wrong, good from bad,
etc.
>
Trevor S
news:3FB55730...@hotmail.com:
<snip>
> This sort of thing Adobe is pulling should be illegal, as it goes
> against every consumer protection law on the books.
Simply don't purchase it, that will send the most powerful message.
<snip>
> Maybe it's time to switch to Gimp.
My thoughts exactly :)
--
Trevor S
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein
Ray Fischer
Trevor S
<snip>
> Why do you complain about your neighbor locking his front door, if
> you're not a thief?
You're ananlogy is poor. A better analogy would be you have given a
"license" to the people the you bought your home off to allow them to lock
you out your house, at their will if you decide to renovate, if you do
renovate they automatically lock you out. Not only that, you didn't know
you had given them a license to do that.
Ray Fischer
>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message news:bp4eei$77k$1...@bolt.sonic.net...
>> Rick <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> >"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message news:bp3324$8dj$1...@bolt.sonic.net...
>> >> Rick <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> >> >Any utility that keeps tabs on changes I make to my own
>> >> >hardware is, by definition, spyware.
>> >>
>> >> So Windows XP is spyware? After all, you cannot make changes to your
>> >> hardware without XP noticing.
>> >
>> >I've already explained that. Yes, WPA _is_ spyware.
>>
>> Ya know what? You're a stupid ass.
>>
>> The key point you ignore is that this supposed "spyware" isn't doing
>> any spying. It's not reporting to anybody what you're doing. It's
>> not revealing your secrets to anybody. It is not spyware. The only
>> reason you call it that is if you actually told the truth then nobody
>> would listen to your childish little whinings.
>
>I suggest you pick up a good dictionary and look up the word.
>To spy simply means to watch.
By that definition ALL software is spyware. ALL software watches and
monitors hardware changes. Usually only the mouse and keybaord.
Sometimes more.
--
Ray Fischer
rfis...@sonic.net
Matt
>In article <bp47ol$1l0muj$1...@ID-82690.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> "Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> "Russell Williams" <williams...@adobe.com> wrote in message
>> news:%Tdtb.844$Re.8...@newshog.newsread.com...
>> > Info about activation:
>> >
>> > http://www.adobe.com/activation/
>>
>> The standard feel-good, disingenuous marketing fluff.
>>
>> Adobe's copy protection stinks, Russell. The bean counters
>> have finally gotten the best of your company.
>
>
>Who cares? It only effects people dumb enough to buy a Windoze machine.
>
>-Sloopy
If you wish to avoid activation, then go ahead and buy PS CS if you
must, then download either of two cracks intended to deal with this,
they're certainly not hard to find.
Matt
>"Bob Niland" <see...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:oprylwk7...@news.individual.net...
>> > Rick <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> > If you've bought Photoshop CS and have
>> > noticed a new service called "Adobe LM
>> > Service", this is Macrovision SafeCast spyware.
>>
>> Is this part of the foul Product Activation
>> that we already knew about, or a different
>> virus?
>
>Not quite a virus, but SafeCast does a lot more than advertised.
>
>Each time Photoshop is started, SafeCast takes an inventory of
>the machine it's installed on, and will refuse to load the application
>if it decides too much has changed. The copy protection appears
>to be analogous to that found in Windows XP:
>http://www.macrovision.com/products/safecast/safecast_pa_faq.shtml
>
>The most frightening part of SafeCast is that the licensing terms
>can be changed AFTER THE PRODUCT IS PURCHASED.
>So, for example, if Abobe decides to make Photoshop a
>pay-per-use application and customers do not agree to these
>terms, Adobe can remotely pull the plug on these customers.
>
>Rick
>
The simple solution is to do what Adobe appears to be encouraging all
of us to do: download and use a warez version that does not call home
and does not contain spyware. Of course if you wish to buy a
legitimate copy, by all means do so--just don't install it!
Use ZoneAlarm Pro to make sure no programs installed on your computer
are trying to call out without your permission. Also install DU Meter
to be sure there are no periodic uploads indicitive of spyware. Use
Ad-Aware every day on your system to clear out the spyware junk that
accumulates. This isn't 1990 anymore, everyone wants to know what
your doing with your computer now, but you don't need to help them.
buck
> I've never had any problem moving Win2000 to new motherboards.
>
> Bob
>
>
I agree with you Bob (see my other post in this thread) The only piece of advice I left out
of my other post is to have and use a DOS boot disk BEFORE booting to Win 2k on an upgraded
system, just to be sure the MB change is WORKING before booting to Windows 2k.
--
Larry Lynch
Mystic, Ct.
buck
>
> You can't just take a HD running on one MB and plug it into another
> different one (ex: from a P3 MB to a P4 MB or from an AMD MB from one
> manufacturer to an AMD MB from another manufacturer) You can re-install on
> a new MB without any problems.
>
> Jean
>
>
If you remove the chipset drivers and let it default to the supplied MS drivers (whether they
work well or not) and the video drivers (even if you are NOT changing video cards remove
those drivers and let windows use default VGA). DO NOT RE-BOOT AFTER REMOVING DRIVERS UNTIL
YOU CHANGE THE MOTHERBOARD, and have you NEW driver disk ready.
This way you will not be trying to start with the "WRONG" drivers, only with the "crappy"
ones. I moved a Win 2k installation from an MSI P4 Motherboard to a Gigabyte Athlon 2.4ghz
system this way, and all I had to do was install drivers after boot.
Bob Ward
>>The most frightening part of SafeCast is that the licensing terms
>>can be changed AFTER THE PRODUCT IS PURCHASED.
>>So, for example, if Abobe decides to make Photoshop a
>>pay-per-use application and customers do not agree to these
>>terms, Adobe can remotely pull the plug on these customers.
>>
>>Rick
>>
Cite?
Rick
Read the SafeCast FAQ:
http://www.macrovision.com/products/safecast/safecast_pa_faq.shtml
The publisher can specify four different transaction types: purchase,
*subscription*, trial use and activation. The type can be changed
at any time; this is one of Macrovision's major "selling" points for
SafeCast.
Rick
Gary Eickmeier
Russell Williams wrote:
> Info about activation:
>
> http://www.adobe.com/activation/
>
> Russell Williams
> not speaking for Adobe Systems
Thanks, Russel. I just went there, and sent them some feedback on their
little form. It read as follows:
Activation is a good way to protect yourselves against piracy; however,
I think there should be some fair and equitable way for users who have
more than one computer to be able to use your programs on all of them
without paying FULL PRICE OF ORIGINAL SOFTWARE FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF
THEM. A good example is our video editing studio. We have three
computers that can be used, in case there is more than one job in
progress at any one time.
Do you expect us to purchase the Premiere Pro Collection for each
computer, or else choose another product?
My suggestion is to come up with some smaller fee for multiple computer
use. You need also consider a way to authorize a person to rebuild his
computer once in a while and reinstall the software without a lot of grief.
I was contemplating the Collection, but probably will not purchase it if
this activation story is true.
Please respond to me.
Gary Eickmeier
Gary Eickmeier
Chris Brown wrote:
> In article <vrbtrhl...@corp.supernews.com>,
> Sloopy <slo...@hangon.xyz> wrote:
>
>>Who cares? It only effects people dumb enough to buy a Windoze machine.
>
>
> ITYM "affects". People are only effected by their parents, HTH!
Thank you, Chris. I'm usually the one to make that post. This usage
error makes the writer appear stupid, and wipes out any points he had to
make.
Gary Eickmeier
Chris
care about activation???? After a re-load you have thirty days of full
functionality before you must activate ... so what is the big deal ... don't
activate if you are just going to change things and re-load again within
thirty days??????
"Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:bp3auo$1kmlmn$1...@ID-82690.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "Ray Fischer" <rfis...@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:bp3324$8dj$1...@bolt.sonic.net...
> > Rick <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> > >"Bob Ward" <bob...@email.com> wrote in message
news:ie79rvg5hg530vc89...@4ax.com...
> >
> > >> what
> > >> evidence can you provide to support your contention that their copy
> > >> protection method functions as spyware? This was part of the
> > >> disinformation being spread about TurboTax earlier this year, as
well.
> > >
> > >Any utility that keeps tabs on changes I make to my own
> > >hardware is, by definition, spyware.
> >
> > So Windows XP is spyware? After all, you cannot make changes to your
> > hardware without XP noticing.
>
> I've already explained that. Yes, WPA _is_ spyware. I'd love to
> upgrade my Win2k to WinXP, but can't because I'm routinely
> swapping out my motherboard, hard drives and other hardware
> on an almost daily basis, and I'm forced to either call MS several
> times a week to get their permission to use software I've already
> bought, or use a crack-from-God-knows-where. MS and now
> Adobe have left no legal choice for a sizeable chunk of their
> customers, and if the trend continues we'll be stuck with obsolete
> and unsuppoted versions of everything.
>
> Rick
>
>
leo
news:ce8a95c8414d69d5...@news.teranews.com...
> If you are changing hardware and reinstalling XP so often then what do you
> care about activation???? After a re-load you have thirty days of full
> functionality before you must activate ... so what is the big deal ...
don't
> activate if you are just going to change things and re-load again within
> thirty days??????
I guess you're not serious...if 30 days is enough for YOU, so be it.
As for changing hardware, when it's so cheap and easy to do it on a PC,
instead of buying a new PC everything 3 years, my PC is being upgraded
constantly, a component at a time and even motherboard and CPU every 1.5
years. When you swap a relatively good component out, you're inclined put it
to your second machine to give it away to your good friends. Now, every
machine is modified to the point that they need re-authorization!?!
Rick
> care about activation???? After a re-load you have thirty days of full
> functionality before you must activate ... so what is the big deal ... don't
> activate if you are just going to change things and re-load again within
> thirty days??????
Whether it's 3 or 30 or 300 days doesn't matter. The point is,
people shouldn't have to get Adobe's (or Microsoft's) permission
to upgrade their own hardware. It's none of their business.
And BTW it doesn't work as you suggest -- if it did, people could
just uninstall/reinstall CS every 29 days and never activate it.
The first time CS is installed Macrovision writes a signature to the
boot block of the hard drive, and keeps it there even when CS
is uninstalled. Anything short of reimaging the drive won't get rid
of it.
Rick
Chris Cox
If you upgrade a few components at a time, there is no need for
re-authorization.
Chris
In article <bgStb.2626$sb4....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, leo
Rick
Is there an available list of what "few components" refers to?
Why would (or should) Adobe care about hardware changes
_other_ than motherboard or hard drive?
Rick
"Chris Cox" <cc...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:161120031753160663%cc...@mindspring.com...
jean
install was needed. You are right, W2000 is the most stable windows I have
ever used if it wasn't for upgrades, the uptime would be in months.
Jean
"buck" <lasting...@comcastdot.net> a écrit dans le message de
news:MPG.1a1fd751d...@news.corenews.com...
Chas. Jones
following:
Quote:
What happens when you get two packages that want to write to
The same place in the boot block? The boot block only has
A limited amount of free space!. Will this limit the
Total number of software packages you can install?
I will personally avoid any software that modifies the boot
Block. Currently on my system this action would classify the
Software as a virus!!!.
End Quote:
I guess there is room for someone to write a little utility to remove this
unwanted junk after removal of offending software.
Chris
"Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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Chris
hardware every few days and reloading thus causing the activation to
trigger.
I do the same thing. I test a lot of hardware combinations for my company
and am constantly reloading XP (not to mention, 200, 98 etc). I will
generaly change the hardware configuration and reload XP well before the 30
day grace period for activation expires. Because of this there is no need
to activate since the loaded copy of XP dosn't run long enough on a machine
to need activation to be able to continue running.
"leo" <som...@somewhere.net> wrote in message
news:bgStb.2626$sb4....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Chris Taylor Jr
macs are fine. quite nice especially since apple got out of the OS buisness
(apple os always sucked to me)
they got so sick of trying to make a good OS they just used unix aka OSX
their machines are NICE but their is one major all important reason why
apple will always be stuck at 3%
the damned things just cost to much.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
> > Very true, but but consider cockroaches are not conscious, reasoning
> > creatures. They cannot differentiate right from wrong, good from bad,
etc.
>
Chris Taylor Jr
MaC or mAc means. not the lettes.
When I SAY I do not like macsm, I prefer windows comptuers PLEASE explain to
me how you can tell if I said MAC or mac or whatever.
you can't. you here MAC and the by CONTEXT know what I mean by MAC.
Grrr I hate anal retentive grammar/spelling nazi's
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
> > > -Sloopy
> > Sorry, but make that MAC as in Macintosh.
>
> If it's all caps, it's not Macintosh.
>
> It's like AIDS and Aids.
>
>
> -Sloopy
Mxsmanic
> Adobe software is crap, and as for MAC..........
Adobe software is very useful, but the new versions are just rehashes of
the old versions. The past couple versions of most of their major
products have been grossly equivalent. "Upgrades" exist only to keep
the revenue flowing for the vendor, since there will always be people
stupid enough to buy upgrades.
I still have Photoshop 5.x, Pagemaker 6.x (although I use Quark XPress
these days, anyway), Illustrator 8.x, and Acrobat 4.x. They all do what
I require. I've never seen any reason to upgrade.
--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.
J.D. Spangler
<snip>
> And BTW it doesn't work as you suggest -- if it did, people could
> just uninstall/reinstall CS every 29 days and never activate it.
> The first time CS is installed Macrovision writes a signature to the
> boot block of the hard drive, and keeps it there even when CS
> is uninstalled. Anything short of reimaging the drive won't get rid
> of it.
>
> Rick
Don't most bios' have an anti-virus setting that prevents writing to
the boot block when enabled? What would happen if that was active?
Regards,
J.D. Spangler
Rick
That's boot sector protection, which differs slightly. SafeCast writes
into a part of the drive that is normally unused by operating systems
and applications (it's part of, actually before the boot block, but is
_not_ part of the boot sector). Bios and antivirus boot sector
protection won't detect this signature, but custom boot loaders and
other software which also use the same "unused" sector will likely
have problems. There might also be problems when the drive is
used to boot multiple operating systems (WinXP & Win2K,
Windows & Linux, etc).
Rick
Greysky
"Sloopy" <slo...@hangon.xyz> wrote in message
news:vrd9svs...@corp.supernews.com...
> In article <vrd9gu1...@corp.supernews.com>,
> "W6DKN" <w6dkn-...@qsl.net> wrote:
>
> > Apexmeister wrote:
> >
> > > "DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy,
> > > and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70
> > > million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand,
> > > may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that
> > > numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."
> > >
> > > New York Times, November 26, 1991
> >
> > creatures. They cannot differentiate right from wrong, good from bad,
etc.
>
> And that's why they ended up buying DOS computers!
>
OK, 'Sloopy' - those are fightin' words. You can rag all you want to about
windows, and the 'PC', but don't you go picking on DOS. Back in the good old
days, there were many software providers that would sell you a GUI library
written for dos. Written in Assembler, these would offer programmers the
ability to create streamlined, GUI desktops for their programs on an
individual bases. Back then programs had some character, not like today's
cookie cutter programs all cut for a windows environment. But programming
got lazy, and decided to cede the software field to billy gates, which is
why the old PC vs MAC debate still rages. Give me a 3Ghz PC (I don't care
which flavor) running an optomized GUI under DOS any day over the sh**
forced on us today. Also, activation of any type would not be possible if it
wern't for Microsoft and its lackeys. Also, don't go thinking MAC ystems are
any better than windows systems - Apple is anal about keeping tight control
over its software and would sell you out in a Chicago minute for more
control, even if it means they would be broke by now if it wern't for a
large subsidy given them by Microsoft.... hey in the computer industry,
incest in best...
Bumpass Klan
avarage consumer, have wanted PS BUT PS cost $600.00 for a full
version! This is a bit high to say the least. Why does it cost so damn
much? Does Adobe not understand that if PS was cheaper they could make
a killing from sales? I have PS 5 and I love it, but I'll use
something else before I pay that much for PS CS!
I think that if Adobe would lower the price to lets say $199.99 for a
full version and $129.99 for an upgrade then Adobe would generate a
lot more cash. I for one will not pay $600.00 for PS; I'll goto Ebay
and by the older PS 5.0 etc... for much less(if it's legal LOL )
By the way guys, PS CS has already been cracked! Check the crack
groups.....
The only way to stop piracy is to make it less challenging to pirate.
All these schemes do is make hackers "want" to hack and pirate
software so they can say," see look we cracked IT".
The more MS, Adobe, Symantec tighten the grip on honest consumers the
more the dishonest pirates will hack and distribute the goods just for
bragging rights.
Symantec 2004 products have all been hacked with keygens etc....that
even Symantec can not verify as to what sn is real or fake! It seems
to me that from doing a search on the user groups that Symantec
products are all over the place with working activation keygens!
Again, if Symantec would lower the price( the yearly subscription
price is bogust; update should be free) then they would sale more
products. I bought IS 2003 but I will not pay $30.00 a year for virus
updates etc....when I payed $80.00 for the software. I went to
Zonealarm and AVG :)
Do you guys see my point in what I have written? No I'm not a pirate
and I don't condon piracy. I don't condon companies abusing it's
consumers like MS etc.... I change hardware a lot and it's a pain in
the ass explaining this to some pencil neck geek at M$ that "no this
is not a second PC, no this is the same PC, no this is a new MB and
Processor, no, no,no....just activate the damn OS XP Pro that I paied
out the ass for!!!!!! SIGH!
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:25:31 -0800, "Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>If you've bought Photoshop CS and have noticed a new service
>called "Adobe LM Service", this is Macrovision SafeCast spyware.
>
>This spyware cannot be disabled. When the startup type in WinXP
>or Windows 2000 is set to "disabled", SafeCast re-enables itself the
>next time Photoshop is started.
>
>Just an FYI for anyone considering upgrading. Adobe has finally
>fallen over the edge.
>
>Rick
>
Rick Wilson
> "J.D. Spangler" <ayrs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:96dad081.03111...@posting.google.com...
> > "Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<bp8sf4$1kla3g$1...@ID-82690.news.uni-berlin.de>...
> > <snip>
> > > And BTW it doesn't work as you suggest -- if it did, people could
> > > just uninstall/reinstall CS every 29 days and never activate it.
> > > The first time CS is installed Macrovision writes a signature to the
> > > boot block of the hard drive, and keeps it there even when CS
> > > is uninstalled. Anything short of reimaging the drive won't get rid
> > > of it.
> >
> > the boot block when enabled? What would happen if that was active?
>
> That's boot sector protection, which differs slightly. SafeCast writes
> into a part of the drive that is normally unused by operating systems
> and applications (it's part of, actually before the boot block, but is
> _not_ part of the boot sector). Bios and antivirus boot sector
> protection won't detect this signature, but custom boot loaders and
> other software which also use the same "unused" sector will likely
> have problems. There might also be problems when the drive is
> used to boot multiple operating systems (WinXP & Win2K,
> Windows & Linux, etc).
Looking through Usenet threads related to the Macrovision/Intuit
debacle earlier this year, it was said that C-Dilla (purchased by
Macrovision and used in SafeCast) writes its disk signature to
sector 33 of the primary boot disk.
If you have a custom boot loader and/or a multiboot system, be
very careful about installing Photoshop CS. If possible, do not
install it on your primary computer system, as the signature may
cause problems and is apparently very difficult to remove.
Also, there's been no word about whether the CS cracks
released so far allow the SafeCast signature to be written, and
if so, whether sector 33 is still the magic location. If anyone
out there has already done the legwork, please share the info.
Rick
Rick Wilson
> "Rick" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:bpc5to$1mml6e$1...@ID-82690.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > "J.D. Spangler" <ayrs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:96dad081.03111...@posting.google.com...
> > > the boot block when enabled? What would happen if that was active?
> >
> > That's boot sector protection, which differs slightly. SafeCast writes
> > into a part of the drive that is normally unused by operating systems
> > and applications (it's part of, actually before the boot block, but is
> > _not_ part of the boot sector). Bios and antivirus boot sector
> > protection won't detect this signature, but custom boot loaders and
> > other software which also use the same "unused" sector will likely
> > have problems. There might also be problems when the drive is
> > used to boot multiple operating systems (WinXP & Win2K,
> > Windows & Linux, etc).
>
> Looking through Usenet threads related to the Macrovision/Intuit
> debacle earlier this year, it was said that C-Dilla (purchased by
> Macrovision and used in SafeCast) writes its disk signature to
> sector 33 of the primary boot disk.
Yet another update.. The sector written to (at least in the C-Dilla
code used by Intuit) is absolute sector 32. In user testing with
Intuit's software, the disk signature _could_ be copied from disk
to disk by using the 'forensic copy' option of Ghost (command line
switch "-id"). A regular Ghosted partition or disk image will NOT
copy the signature.
If someone can verify this is still the case with CS, please advise.
Rick
Warren Young
> The best way to stop piracy is a lower price.
One word: Elements.
Few people actually need the features in the full version of Photoshop
vs. Elements. And if that doesn't do it for you, try The Gimp.
This argument that it's okay to steal stuff if you can't afford it is
horse hockey. To be fair, so is "software activation".
FLY135
"Warren Young" <SPAMwar...@etr-usa.com> wrote in message
news:bpdm5...@enews1.newsguy.com...
Hopefully companies will find out that making it difficult for customers to
use their purchased software on more than one of their computers will be a
roadblock to successful sales numbers. Dispite what the EULA says, people
who purchase software don't like to be subservient to the whims of the
publisher. Who is going to guarantee that there will always be a "software
activation" server ready to validate your software in the future?
George Kerby
<slo...@hangon.xyz> wrote:
> In article <cdhub.6592$xy3.40...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Greysky" <greysk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> OK, 'Sloopy' - those are fightin' words. You can rag all you want to about
>> windows, and the 'PC', but don't you go picking on DOS. Back in the good old
>> days, there were many software providers that would sell you a GUI library
>> written for dos. Written in Assembler, these would offer programmers the
>> ability to create streamlined, GUI desktops for their programs on an
>> individual bases. Back then programs had some character, not like today's
>> cookie cutter programs all cut for a windows environment. But programming
>> got lazy, and decided to cede the software field to billy gates, which is
>> why the old PC vs MAC debate still rages. Give me a 3Ghz PC (I don't care
>> which flavor) running an optomized GUI under DOS any day over the sh**
>> forced on us today. Also, activation of any type would not be possible if it
>> wern't for Microsoft and its lackeys. Also, don't go thinking MAC ystems are
>> any better than windows systems - Apple is anal about keeping tight control
>> over its software and would sell you out in a Chicago minute for more
>> control, even if it means they would be broke by now if it wern't for a
>> large subsidy given them by Microsoft.... hey in the computer industry,
>> incest in best...
>
> Tell us all about it, Gramps!
>
> -Sloopy
LOL!!!
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Bumpass Klan
>horse hockey. To be fair, so is "software activation".
I never said that....
Is it ok for M$ to harass me over product activation?
Clearly PS is over priced :)
Whats in the future for us? Are we going to be forced to allow
software companies to scan our PC's? Are software companies going to
make us pay per year for usage?
Read the BS statement from www.symantec.com about product activation.
Why punish the consumer? Software piracy will not cease period. Think
about it, has Abode lost any cash when a highschool kid downloads PS?
Would this lame pirate buy PS? No, Abode would not lose money simply
because the pirate would never be a consumer! All this lame ass
activation is based on pure greed and a way to set the stage for pay
per year BS(in my opinion).
Hackers crack and promote software that has activation and protection
schemes. Take a look at Zonealarm Pro, can you find a pirated version
of this software easy? If not then why? Now take a look at IS 2004,
can you find a pirated version easy? Yeap, you bet! Why? Because of
the BS shit that $ymantec is trying!
I'm not condoning piracy. Take MP3's for example. Why has MP3's become
a problem? RIAA hunting down kids etc... hell now everybody in the
world knows about MP3 piracy via the media and the RIAA. Prior to the
"questionable" tactics of the RIAA, MP3 downloading was not a "thrill"
like it is today. Once again greed has clouded the industry. If the
RIAA had used a lower price and utililized the MP3 format via
download/buy servers then the RIAA would have made a mint...but with
them wasting so much cash to promote shit albums from Spears and
Metallica no wonder they worry about the "one" good song being
downloaded! LOL the same anology can be applied to Adobe etc...except
Adobe has excellant products!
The secret is good old Capitalism inwhich a lower price is used for
more profit vs. a higher price and selling less products. This holds
true for Adobe etc.... Abode would make more $$$$ from PS at $199.00
vs $600.00 simply because more of us would buy PS vs. some lame ass
download with not support!
Rick
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 15:50:19 -0600, Bumpass Klan wrote:
>
> > The secret is good old Capitalism inwhich a lower price is used for more
> > profit vs. a higher price and selling less products.
>
> that makes the consumer's wishes irrelevant. For example, the software
> upgrade treadmill, or grocery-store loyalty cards.
>
> The way it works today is to find something people they can't do without
> and eliminate the choices, or get them hooked onto something they can't
> get off of as Microsoft does with data lock-in, then squeeze them for
> all they're worth - and if they don't like it that's just tough because
> they have nowhere else to go.
Yeah, you gotta love how Microsoft, who was convicted in
three different courts of illegally maintaining a monopoly,
waited until they had a virtual monopoly before implementing
any kind of copy protection. Get a monopoly by illegal means,
then set it in concrete without giving consumers a choice.
Rick