Buzz Fink?
Martin Evans
memory but is the only reason that there is so much vitriol directed against
Buzz due to the AAD mandate at his DZ?
BO
SS
Martin
LORD OF THE SKY
Martin Evans <skyeyes...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Well that may be the case Martin but,
Did you know that the reason Buzz attended the Winter 2002 meeting
was to hawk his little board game which is like Monopoly but instead of
Virginia Avenue he may have Skydive Del Marva?
Yes he successfully hawked his wares to the Membership committee and then
to the full BOD.
Do you think he has practiced and envisioned himself as the nation wide
mogul of drop zones?
Oh! Throughout that weekend he couldn't help himself from teasingly
mentioning the quorum. What a fuckin' idiot !Doesn't even know the most
basic rules of a deliberative assembly! Oh well! I don't guess you can
fault him for that. The Chairman, Don Yarling didn't appear to know them
either!
"Treetop" a.k.a. LORD OF THE SKY
JimBo
>From: "Martin Evans" skyeyes...@worldnet.att.net
>Maybe I'm getting senile or that recent bump on the head has affected my
>memory but is the only reason that there is so much vitriol directed against
>Buzz due to the AAD mandate at his DZ?
Thats my main reason for calling him on it Martin
.Why would what he does on his home DZ be any different than what he would try
to foist on the USPA membership ?
Buzz can argue all he wants to the contrary but I see the facts.
I had my doubts before about him which were amplified when my Skydiving
magazine arrived today and I see his fullpage, fullcolor ad.
My goodness...this guy wants on the BOD pretty badly. Why ?
I'm quite sure Buzz is a nice guy...this isnt about nice guys....or bad guys.
jim
D-10154
All around nice guy.
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.
Buzz Fink
"LORD OF THE SKY"
> Did you know that the reason Buzz attended the Winter 2002 meeting
> was to hawk his little board game which is like Monopoly but instead of
> Virginia Avenue he may have Skydive Del Marva?
I went to the Board meeting like I have for the past years. To take part in
the organization. I had been approached to pitch the Skydivopoly (a
skydiving version of monopoly) by a manufacturer. It was a last minute
decision to ask the membership committee if USPA was interested in
partaking. It was not even on the agenda! They said they would be
interested so Kevin Gibson bent Chris's ear and got permission to negotiate
it with me. Kevin wanted only USPA to be the only one that could sell them
and at 200% of the cost! I said hell no so he said USPA woul not be
interested.
The game will still be coming out but without USPA mentioned. And to answer
your next question yes non-group member DZ's will be included. Perhaps one
of the cards on the chance pile may read "You are training a new pilot on
the Otter in Virginia. You pull the throttles back, with a load of jumpers,
to see the pilots reaction. Pay a $100 fine". Oh, wait, sorry. That's
Kevins history. :-)
> Yes he successfully hawked his wares to the Membership committee and
then
> to the full BOD.
> Do you think he has practiced and envisioned himself as the nation wide
> mogul of drop zones?
Hell no. I never said I was or want to be. I will, however, work towards
bringing this organization back to what it was intended. A basic
organization of skydivers, for skydivers, without everything being turned
into a profit center (SIM, IRM, etc.).
> Oh! Throughout that weekend he couldn't help himself from teasingly
> mentioning the quorum. What a fuckin' idiot !Doesn't even know the most
> basic rules of a deliberative assembly!
Sure, I teased you about it. You were an ass the way you did it. You were
not there to try to help the organization. You were there to try to prove
you knew more than the BoD. You were their to stir. After the meeting, you
told me all they had to do was vote to suspend the rules. Like I said, you
were ther to prove how smart you thought you were. You were an ass!
I did talk with you, at legnth, in the bar. You seemed the most cordial
person around. I guess you need the protection of a computer to lash out at
people.
Alan "Buzz" Fink
CRWMike
Buzz Fink ...more of the same.
"Buzz Fink" <bz...@cox.net> wrote in message
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LORD OF THE SKY
No Buzz, and it's clear that you still don't understand the rules of order.
> You were
> not there to try to help the organization. You were there to try to prove
> you knew more than the BoD.
Once again Buzz you are proving that you had no clue.
>You were their to stir.
I was there soley to prevent the BOD from taking away the Memberships
rights.
Now as to the quorum. Buzz, do you actually believe that after twelve
years on the BOD the Chairman didn't realize he had to establish whether or
not a quorum was present before he could call a meeting to order?
Do you believe he didn't know for sure that he was way out of order
when he allowed the assembly to take actions absent a quorum?
If you believe that you are a chump!!!
If you believe that he knew he was violating the rules you are a *punk*
for not speaking up yourself!
No Buzz, My actions at the meeting were proper and dutiful. The Chair
was out of order and I called him on it.
Was I loud? Yes!
Was I obnoxious? Delightfully so!
Listen Buzz, another set of facts you may be totally oblivious to
;
The BOD had spent over $7000 of Our money in a proxy solicitation
.
Our By-Laws at that time did not allow for voting by proxy.
Chris Needels took it upon himself in the eleventh hour to
ammend Our By-Laws to allow proxy voting.
He did such a pis poor job of wording his ammendment that proxy
voting was still not allowed.
After the meeting, you
> told me all they had to do was vote to suspend the rules. Like I said,
you
> were ther to prove how smart you thought you were.
Suspend the Rules Mr. Fink?
You can't suspend the rules requiring a quorum to conduct business.
>You were an ass!
>
> I did talk with you, at legnth, in the bar. You seemed the most cordial
> person around. I guess you need the protection of a computer to lash out
at
> people.
Hmm !! So which is it Buzz? Am I an ass or am I the most cordial person
around?Did I speak up at the GMM or do I only hide behind a keyboard?
Your statements just don't seem to wash.
Flailer
LORD OF THE SKY wrote in message ...
quickly without a lot of attention.
Buzz Fink
"LORD OF THE SKY" wrote:
> The BOD had spent over $7000 of Our money in a proxy
solicitation
> .
> Our By-Laws at that time did not allow for voting by proxy.
> Chris Needels took it upon himself in the eleventh hour to
> ammend Our By-Laws to allow proxy voting.
> He did such a pis poor job of wording his ammendment that proxy
> voting was still not allowed.
I agree the proxy issue was bungled. Oh my god, we agree? They should have
put out a specific proxy and request a yes or no on each issue.
> Hmm !! So which is it Buzz? Am I an ass or am I the most cordial person
> around?Did I speak up at the GMM or do I only hide behind a keyboard?
You are a cordial person one on one and you are an ass to the same people
behind the keyboard. Yes, you stood up at the GM meeting. Not to help but
to "play your game". You didn't use the same language at the GM meeting
that you use on the keyboard.
So yes, you are both cordial and an ass.
Alan "Buzz" Fink
CRWMike
delighted a minority are speaking up (loudly, rudely), and illustrating that
somewhere along the line, WE turned to a course that, until now, seemed
inexorably mired in the self serving interests of those who use the BOD for
their own gain. When USPA didn't have the power and influence it currently
enjoys, being on the BOD didn't appeal to many ...it was pretty much a hard,
thankless job. There were always a good number of people who worked solely
to help coordinate the activities of skydiving without padding their own
pockets. Somehow that shifted, with skydivers coming out of the woodwork to
get a USPA position for their personal benefit and gain.
As each individual voice is added to the discontented, I wonder if there
might be hope for regaining a measure of the irreverent fun and lightness of
skydiving.
For those who think the world will come to an end and UPSA will no be able
to exert considerable influence with esteemed government bodies if we kick
out the self-serving assholes that have strangled skydiving for the past
decade, it's just a slight change in course...a different view. One more in
line with the values that some of us think more honorable, honest ...and
fun!
Skies,
Michael
D-6139
"Flailer" <Clode_Wa...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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LORD OF THE SKY
> I agree the proxy issue was bungled. Oh my god, we agree? They should
have
> put out a specific proxy and request a yes or no on each issue.
Buzz!!! You are a fuckin'idiot!!!
Now read my lips, Proxy voting was not allowed at that time !
Our Governance Manual did not allow us to vote by proxy.
Even a "specific proxy" at that time would have been null and void!
Let me tell you again Buzz;
Proxy voting was not allowed .
The BOD solicited proxy votes at a cost of over $7000.
Our Executive Director in the eleventh hour ammended Our Governance
Manual in a last ditch attempt to make proxy voting legal.
He screwed up the wording of his illegal ammendment so bad that
even if his ammendment was allowed to stand We still couldn't have counted
proxy votes.
Now do you get it Buzz?
"Treetop" , the Cordial Ass
Flailer
at the BOD and would prefer to see the organization itself revamped to
better serve its membership. I would be willing to research the law, the
Governance manual, etc. and to draft the petition to bring suit against
present BOD. Perhaps we can have a Confidence vote, or at least attempt to
have a confidence (or no confidence) vote with respect to the current board.
We can probably sue the individuals that make up the board so as to conserve
whatever funds that the organization has, and get an injunction against the
board members using USPA funds for their defense.
So, how serious are you folks?
LORD OF THE SKY wrote in message ...
JimBo
>From: "Flailer" Clode_Wa...@yahoo.com
>We can probably sue the individuals that make up the board
Psssst, hey Bubba. Theres gonna be an election shortly.
Think maybe we oughta wait til after?
Jan Meyer
>
> We can probably sue the individuals that make up the board so as to conserve
> whatever funds that the organization has, and get an injunction against the
> board members using USPA funds for their defense.
>
USPA has liability insurance that pays for defense in lawsuits that are
directed against BOD members in the execution of their duties.
In other words, the tab would be picked up by USPA, not the BOD members.
--
Jan Meyer
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O Cuinn Mac an Ghabbann
>Psssst, hey Bubba. Theres gonna be an >election shortly.
>Think maybe we oughta wait til after?
>
> jim
>D-10154
I seen a picture of Buzz Jim, he looks like one of them ET's that wuz always
locking theirselves in Top Secret electronic compartments when I wuz looking
for a damn working party at sea! ;->
~All living holds suffering
Misery stops when greed stops~
Flailer
JimBo wrote in message <20021116232526...@mb-da.aol.com>...
>>Subject: Re: Buzz Fink?/ Dump the BOD?
>>From: "Flailer" Clode_Wa...@yahoo.com
>
>>We can probably sue the individuals that make up the board
>
>Psssst, hey Bubba. Theres gonna be an election shortly.
>Think maybe we oughta wait til after?
>
Yes, there is an election comming up and I think that we all know what's
going to happen, don't we?
Flailer
>>From: "Flailer" Clode_Wa...@yahoo.com
>
>>We can probably sue the individuals that make up the board
>
>Psssst, hey Bubba. Theres gonna be an election shortly.
>Think maybe we oughta wait til after?
So, Saddam Insane just had an election also. He won.
Flailer
Jan Meyer wrote in message <3DD71E2E...@MakeItHappen.com>...
>Flailer wrote:
>>
>> We can probably sue the individuals that make up the board so as to
conserve
>> whatever funds that the organization has, and get an injunction against
the
>> board members using USPA funds for their defense.
>>
>
>USPA has liability insurance that pays for defense in lawsuits that are
>directed against BOD members in the execution of their duties.
>
>In other words, the tab would be picked up by USPA, not the BOD members.
>
Exactly, that is the reason we need to establish the injunction. There are
so many precedents for this that are on point for both primary and secondary
authority you could spend years citing them all.
JimBo
>From: "Flailer" Clode_Wa...@yahoo.com
>>Psssst, hey Bubba. Theres gonna be an election shortly.
>>Think maybe we oughta wait til after?
>\
>
>So, Saddam Insane just had an election also. He won.
>
Lets let this election run its course.
It should be.......
"Most Excellent Entertainment "
Flailer
JimBo wrote in message <20021116235117...@mb-fn.aol.com>...
>>Subject: Re: Buzz Fink?/ Dump the BOD?
>>From: "Flailer" Clode_Wa...@yahoo.com
>
>>>Psssst, hey Bubba. Theres gonna be an election shortly.
>>>Think maybe we oughta wait til after?
>>\
>>
>>So, Saddam Insane just had an election also. He won.
>>
>
>Lets let this election run its course.
>It should be.......
> "Most Excellent Entertainment "
>
first..
Martin Evans
"JimBo" <sb...@aol.comnooospam> wrote in message
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> >Subject: Buzz Fink?
> >From: "Martin Evans" skyeyes...@worldnet.att.net
>
> >Maybe I'm getting senile or that recent bump on the head has affected my
> >memory but is the only reason that there is so much vitriol directed
against
> >Buzz due to the AAD mandate at his DZ?
> Thats my main reason for calling him on it Martin
> .Why would what he does on his home DZ be any different than what he would
try
> to foist on the USPA membership ?
Well, it could be that he just feels that's the best way for him to protect
'his' personal assetts. Could be that he'd see 'ALL' DZ's being required to
mandate AAD's as detrimental to his own stance of going 'above and beyond'
the USPA's mandated requirements and would actually be against it becoming a
USPA mandate and would vote against such a proposal!
> I'm quite sure Buzz is a nice guy...this isnt about nice guys....or bad
guys.
I don't know whether he's a nice guy or not, to my knowledge we've never
met. What I'm trying to determine is whether the venom directed at him is
due entirely to his decision to run his business the way he see's fit (by
requiring jumpers at his facility to use AAD's) or if there are numerous
actions or behaviors apart from and above and beyond this to consider about
the man...or whether things are just getting blown way out of proportion
(not that that's ever been known to happen before on this forum)? ;-)
BO
SS
Martin
JimBo
>From: "Martin Evans" skyeyes...@worldnet.att.net
>Well, it could be that he just feels that's the best way for him to protect
>'his' personal assetts. Could be that he'd see 'ALL' DZ's being required to
>mandate AAD's as detrimental to his own stance of going 'above and beyond'
>the USPA's mandated requirements and would actually be against it
Ok so lets elect him and find out ?
Thats a little like sticking your hand in the fire to see if it gets burnt.
Martin Evans
"JimBo" <sb...@aol.comnooospam> wrote in message
> >Subject: Re: Buzz Fink?
> >From: "Martin Evans" skyeyes...@worldnet.att.net
>
> >Well, it could be that he just feels that's the best way for him to
protect
> >'his' personal assetts. Could be that he'd see 'ALL' DZ's being required
to
> >mandate AAD's as detrimental to his own stance of going 'above and
beyond'
> >the USPA's mandated requirements and would actually be against it
>
> Ok so lets elect him and find out ?
> Thats a little like sticking your hand in the fire to see if it gets
burnt.
Life is risky!
;-)
BO
SS
Martin
Tom B
JimBo wrote in message <20021117183734...@mb-ba.aol.com>...
>>Subject: Re: Buzz Fink?
>Ok so lets elect him and find out ?
>Thats a little like sticking your hand in the fire to see if it gets burnt.
>
> jim
Not a problem. We will just use your hand Jimbo.
Peanut4040
Grin, yeppers,, probably a fantastic DZO, a great teacher, not in it for the
money, Can hold his liquor,, ( I dont know)--
BUT--
He has a mandatory Cypress Drop zone.
Peanut4040
>So yes, you are both cordial and an ass.
high fiveeeeee-
GO TREEEEEE
Peanut4040
Tree man sed:
> Buzz!!! You are a fuckin'idiot!!!
> Now read my lips,
psst,, hey buzzy,,, He's got a real PURTYYYY mouthhh
Livendive
"CRWMike" <crw...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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David Ferree
>>Subject: Re: Buzz Fink?
>>From: "Martin Evans" skyeyes...@worldnet.att.net
>
>>Well, it could be that he just feels that's the best way for him to protect
>>'his' personal assetts. Could be that he'd see 'ALL' DZ's being required to
>>mandate AAD's as detrimental to his own stance of going 'above and beyond'
>>the USPA's mandated requirements and would actually be against it
>
>Ok so lets elect him and find out ?
>Thats a little like sticking your hand in the fire to see if it gets burnt.
I don't know, let's try it on for size and see if it is:
"Ok, so lets stick our hand in the fire to see if it gets burnt."
Nope, nothing like that. Good job of proving Martin's point though.
David
travis...@mail.boisestate.edu
> You didn't use the same language at the GM meeting
> that you use on the keyboard.
Which goes to show that he CAN help get things done.
-Shane