#LIVING TO TERRORIST SEEBER'S STANDARDS!!
Ted McMillan
"Theodore M. Seeber" <Mike...@seeberfamily.org> wrote in message news:<Btr48.49564$h31.3...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>...
> In message <55de15cf.02012...@posting.google.com>, tmac...@internet4free.net (Ted McMillan) wrote:
>
> > I am not fooled. Apologizing is nothing.
>
> And this alone shows why the Anti-Ted can't get along in Usenet. He's gone way too far into the sin of pride.
> Ted
Murderer terrorist Seeber,
Understand that you gladly told us that Rome persecuted and murdered
not just the Albigenses, but all the Protestants because they didn't
"live the bible" according to your Ustashi standards.
Now look at Vatican infiltrator Angelo Braz and Vatican Cindy Ford
claiming to be Adventists. Do they live the bible according to your
standards? Clearly they do not. Why do you birds fly together and
why don't Vatican Angelo and Vatican Cindy know or understand that
since they don't live the bible according to your standards, they are
in line to be slowly tortured to death also?
Ted McMillan
Andrew
Dear Ted,
It is most obvious from your frequent postings that
you are a very troubled and unhappy person. I know
that it is easy and natural for others to judge you not
knowing the severe childhood trauma you may have
experienced coupled with a dysfunctional home from
your early days until now. You must have experienced
great pain.
I am sorry Ted, for these things in your life which have
brought you to the condition you are in now. Please be
it known to you that there is a God in heaven who loves
you. There is an all powerful Savior who is able to make
something beautiful of your life and to give you a place
with Him through all future ages in His kingdom of glory.
It was unclear on other posts whether you claimed to be
a Christian. Now, while the door of mercy is still open,
while probationary hours are fast fleeting into eternity, is
the opportunity for you (and all of us) to respond to the
powerful drawing of Jesus Christ .. to humble ourselves
before Him in repentance for our sins and to surrender
our lives to Him daily.
Dear Ted, if you do these things and learn of Jesus Christ
through prayer and the study of His words and teachings,
then the peace of heaven will replace the anxieties which
plague you now. Then your influence will reveal the
fruits of God's spirit to the glory of Jesus Christ.
____________ James 3: 13-18_______________
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him
show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie
not against the truth.
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle,
and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality,
and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of
them that make peace."
May His peace and presence fill your heart as you
surrender to Him now is my prayer for you.
Andrew
Cindy Ford
"Ted McMillan" <tmac...@internet4free.net> wrote in message
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Snipped for context.
Cindy:
> Do you have this surety, an absolute certainty that you are following
God's
> perfect will?
Ted:
I do not. By Catholic teaching, by the teaching of the Apostles, I cannot.
I can have moral certainty, but NOT absolute certainty. To have absolute
certainty
of following God's perfect will, I would have to know that will as well as
God does,
I would have to BE God, and I am not.
> I don't want to offend you, but I consider you a friend, and I
> worry about you. I am Adventist, you are Catholic. That explains my worry.
I have the same worry, but I also believe in the long run that our worries
are fruitless.
God will do, as he does, in our lives. Ok, that sounded WAY too Calvinist,
or perhaps
even Islamic. Phrasing it a different way, we can only be tools,
influencing one another
in Christianity, being the "persona Christe", the person of Christ to one
another. That's
as close as we can get to doing the will of God. To get any closer, we
would have to
become God, and we cannot do that while keeping our egos, our individuality.
> Jesus had some interesting word's to say in regards to last day events. He
> said I am telling you this now, so that when you see it come to pass, you
> might believe. Highly unlikely as you believe these events to be. Can you
> just imagine for a moment that they have come to pass, would you believe
> then? What would your thoughts be if you knew that I was to be put to
death,
> for worshipping my God on the 7th day?
Utterly amazed and saddened. For you to be put to death for worshiping God
on the Sabbath,
by Catholics as the "Sunday Law" prophecies state, would require evil to
overcome
the Catholic Church to such an extent that I too would be put to death.
Ted McMillan
message Cindy ignored. All of a sudden she comments on other
questions that I didn't give.
I asked the readers that since super terrorist Ted Seeber told us in
glee that Rome persecuted and put to death multitudes of Christians
because they didn't "live the bible" according to his standards, how
come infiltrators Cindy Ford and Angelo Braz (who falsely claim to be
real Adventists)don't have a problem with him, but waste their
manhours in opposition to me? Do they live the bible according to
Seeber's standards being (as they say) Adventists?
I tell you yea! They are also trained Catholics!
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!!
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com
"Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> wrote in message news:<3c553...@news.teranews.com>...
Cindy Ford
I tried. I give up... Believe what you want. I am not against you or
opposing you. And... I forgive you for being so blind.. And I love you
anyway.
In love,
Cindy
Ted McMillan
> Ted McMillan,
> I tried. I give up... Believe what you want. I am not against you or
> opposing you. And... I forgive you for being so blind.. And I love you
> anyway.
> In love,
> Cindy
You mean I gave you a simple question, and then you pretend to answer
it. I therefore repeat the question to you and then you falsely
babble mere claims that you tried to be reconciliatory? You then
name-call me telling the world that I am blind, and then babble that
you love me?
You claim to love me. THOSE ARE YOUR CLAIMS! What should I do with
them? I claimed that I was not unloving as you moved heaven and earth
to tell the world. What did you do with my claims? Away with the
Vatican claims! I asked you a simple question:
Super terrorist Seeber told us that the Protestants were tortured and
killed because they didn't "live the bible." I reproved him for being
sub-animal. You and Vatican Angelo, falsely babbling to be
Adventists, came and attack me viciously and with emotion. Nothing I
could do could make you all see the real criminal. I now ask you all
whether or not you "live the bible" according to Seeber's standards.
I ask you this, for it is obvious that if you don't--if you are
Seventh-day Adventists truly, then you are marked for death by your
beloved Seeber whom you all have been snuggling up to.
I therefore asked whether or hot you all live the bible according to
Seeber's standards. From your strange anti-protestant behavior, I am
demonstrating that in fact you do, and that is why the birds of a
feather flock together. You are both infiltrating papists.
Now please answer the plain and easy question and stop copping out
with the well trained deceitful hands in the air. Of course you
cannot answer the question without being sadly convicted and condemned
for being papists!
Ted McMillan
> Dear Ted,
>
> It is most obvious from your frequent postings that
> you are a very troubled and unhappy person.
Would to God that those strange people like you around me teaching me
how Christ is in control would post much less!
> I know
> that it is easy and natural for others to judge you not
> knowing the severe childhood trauma you may have
> experienced coupled with a dysfunctional home from
> your early days until now. You must have experienced
> great pain.
What should be my response then for you, being a name-caller? should
I say, Yo Mama??
> I am sorry Ted, for these things in your life which have
> brought you to the condition you are in now. Please be
> it known to you that there is a God in heaven who loves
> you. There is an all powerful Savior who is able to make
> something beautiful of your life and to give you a place
> with Him through all future ages in His kingdom of glory.
You really ought to try and at least then capture something on earth
instead!
> It was unclear on other posts whether you claimed to be
> a Christian.
Looks like someone is judging, eh?
> Now, while the door of mercy is still open,
> while probationary hours are fast fleeting into eternity, is
> the opportunity for you (and all of us) to respond to the
> powerful drawing of Jesus Christ .. to humble ourselves
> before Him in repentance for our sins and to surrender
> our lives to Him daily.
Not so fast, buddy. You first have to qualify for animal status, and
then criminal status in Alcatraz!
> Dear Ted, if you do these things and learn of Jesus Christ
> through prayer and the study of His words and teachings,
> then the peace of heaven will replace the anxieties which
> plague you now. Then your influence will reveal the
> fruits of God's spirit to the glory of Jesus Christ.
>
>
> Andrew
If I do that, will he promise to give me at least a regard for human
life? So far I don't see that in you guys!
The judgmental person who wrote this "loving" piece of deceit is post
named "Andrew."
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!
Ted McMillan
> Ted McMillan,
> I tried. I give up... Believe what you want. I am not against you or
> opposing you. And... I forgive you for being so blind.. And I love you
> anyway.
> In love,
> Cindy
Of course you have tried: you tried to evade every question I asked.
The problem is that the questions were just so simple!!
How can you answer them and not be condemned? It is the evidence
against the lying babbling claims of how much you love. How can the
saints be persecuted and killed as prophesied if their murderers do
not advance pretending to be like them, and then telling the world
that they are mean and unloving?
You say that you love and you love me. How can I believe this? What
did you do with my claims? How come you could not dare answer my
simple question below?
Larry T.
news:c9dac66d.02012...@posting.google.com:
> You claim to love me. THOSE ARE YOUR CLAIMS! What should I do with
> them? I claimed that I was not unloving as you moved heaven and earth
> to tell the world. What did you do with my claims? Away with the
> Vatican claims! I asked you a simple question:
What is this guy going on and on about?
Larry Thibodeaux
http://www.catholic-truth.org
Larry T.
news:qhC58.25566$f32.246...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com:
>
> "Larry T." <webm...@catholic-truth.org> wrote in message
> news:Xns91A580FBDE452lt...@216.166.71.232...
>> tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) wrote in
>> news:c9dac66d.02012...@posting.google.com:
>>
>> > You claim to love me. THOSE ARE YOUR CLAIMS! What should I do
>> > with them? I claimed that I was not unloving as you moved heaven
>> > and earth to tell the world. What did you do with my claims? Away
>> > with the Vatican claims! I asked you a simple question:
>>
>> What is this guy going on and on about?
>>
> The only thing anyone has figured out for sure is that he hates
> Catholicism.
That is a given ;))
Larry Thibodeaux
http://www.catholic-truth.org
Joseph Meehan
seem to go along with his version.
When you read this Ted, please take our advice. We really don't hate
you, but you really need professional help.
--
Dia 's Muire duit
Joseph E. Meehan
"Scout Lady" <rypm33f07...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Larry T." <webm...@catholic-truth.org> wrote in message
> news:Xns91A580FBDE452lt...@216.166.71.232...
> > tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) wrote in
> > news:c9dac66d.02012...@posting.google.com:
> >
> > > You claim to love me. THOSE ARE YOUR CLAIMS! What should I do with
> > > them? I claimed that I was not unloving as you moved heaven and earth
> > > to tell the world. What did you do with my claims? Away with the
> > > Vatican claims! I asked you a simple question:
> >
> > What is this guy going on and on about?
> >
Larry Thibodeaux
> The judgmental person who wrote this "loving" piece of deceit is post
> named "Andrew."
Hu ?
Larry Thibodeaux
http://www.catholic-truth.org
Larry Thibodeaux
> You say that you love and you love me. How can I believe this? What
> did you do with my claims? How come you could not dare answer my
> simple question below?
Ted, the reason no one has answered you point by point is that you are
putting too much info at one time. Personally I usually refute arguments
multipoint per point. It would take me a week to go through every posting
you put up here and refute your claims. Additionally, seeing your attitude
you display towards people who do answer you, that really doesn't give many
people the incentive to post something that answers you.
Please check your grammar. It really is hard to follow.
Larry Thibodeaux
http://www.catholic-truth.org
Cindy Ford
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I will try again to answer your question again. What was it you called the
rest of this? " Dirty laundry"? Should you be having dialogue with me? Will
you answer me, or will you just talk about me in response and then expect me
to answer.
> >
> > I tried. I give up... Believe what you want. I am not against you or
> > opposing you. And... I forgive you for being so blind.. And I love you
> > anyway.
>
> You mean I gave you a simple question, and then you pretend to answer
> it. I therefore repeat the question to you and then you falsely
> babble mere claims that you tried to be reconciliatory? You then
> name-call me telling the world that I am blind, and then babble that
> you love me?
And if Jesus Christ himself told you that you were blind because you refused
to see the truth, and then told you he loved you, would you call him a liar,
and a namecaller, and tell him he was babbling?
>
> You claim to love me. THOSE ARE YOUR CLAIMS! What should I do with
> them
Try believing me. I like to debate, I do not like anger, or arguements. My
intention in talking to you the second time was none of those things. If I
didn't really care, I would have given up long ago. You know exactly what I
have done, and said in trying to get you to listen to me. Why would I do
that unless I cared? It is not to get you to shutup, or to oppose you.
RIDDLE ME THIS, If I am a vatican infiltrant as you claim, why don't I
(using your words) interfere with anyone else, trying to teach the gospel,
and warn people? or try to make them out to be unloving? Give me an
instance where I have done this, or said anything to turn someone away from
the truth of God or his commandments. Give me an instance where I have
attacked Ellen G White, or SDA doctrines. Give me one instance where I have
said all you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior and then just kick
back and relax, cause everythings been done for you. Have I ever said
salvation is a no brainer?
>I claimed that I was not unloving as you moved heaven and earth
> to tell the world.
I was not talking to the world! I was talking to YOU. I am forced to do it
in front of the world by your choice!!! So do not get all bent out of shape
and act like it offends you now. I have much I could choose to be offended
by. I choose not to be.
>What did you do with my claims?
I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and I prayed about it, and I have since
stated I believe that you are loving, but it is the way you talk to people
that keeps them from seeing this. WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THIS CLAIM OF MINE?
If you are not unloving then tell me honestly. What are your feelings about
me?
What words will you use? those of condemnation and judgment?
>Away with the
> Vatican claims! I asked you a simple question:
It couldn't have been that simple if I misunderstood it.
>
> Super terrorist Seeber told us that the Protestants were tortured and
> killed because they didn't "live the bible." I reproved him for being
> sub-animal. You and Vatican Angelo, falsely babbling to be
> Adventists, came and attack me viciously and with emotion. Nothing I
> could do could make you all see the real criminal.
This is a very condensed version, and of course it is your version. Here is
my condensed version. You were arguing with Ted Seeber, and I was upset by
the events of Sept 11th, and I reproved you for your language, and told you
about the fruits of the spirit. Much arguement followed. Then I apologized
and began to ignore you.... Time passed.. then I spoke to you again, not
about Ted Seeber, or anything to do with him, but you couldn't let go of the
old discussion, so much arguement occured again... then some time passed and
Angelo entered the discussion while I was ignoring you again although you
were certainly not ignoring me.... Then I joined the discussion briefly then
left again.... now here we are again. SHOW ME THE EXACT WORDS WHERE TED
SEEBER SAID ALL THE PROTESTANTS WERE KILLED FOR NOT LIVING THE BIBLE!!!! And
I will tell the world "I am wrong." If you cannot, then let it go. Let's put
this subject to rest. I am weary of dealing with it!!
I now ask you all
> whether or not you "live the bible" according to Seeber's standards.
> I ask you this, for it is obvious that if you don't--if you are
> Seventh-day Adventists truly, then you are marked for death by your
> beloved Seeber whom you all have been snuggling up to.
First of all. I snuggle up to no one!!!!
Second of all I do not live the bible according to Catholic standards. So as
Ted Seeber is a catholic... I am saying the answer is "No I don't." However
he has never judged me for believing differently, so from this I am supposed
to believe that Ted Seeber personally is out to kill me? Let me assume for
one minute this is true, How will he find me? Try looking up the name Cindy
Ford, there are hundreds of them. Is this like a plot from "the Terminator"
where all Cindy Ford's will be killed till he finds me? I think not. And
when the Sunday law passes.. I'm outta here.
>
> I therefore asked whether or not you all live the bible according to
> Seeber's standards. From your strange anti-protestant behavior, I am
> demonstrating that in fact you do, and that is why the birds of a
> feather flock together. You are both infiltrating papists.
Hmmm... What strange anti-protestant behavior are you talking about? You
have done one of those quantum leaps of reasoning you do, and left me behind
again. I do not want to be blamed for not answering, so explain please?
Especially since you are using this as a demonstration???
>
> Now please answer the plain and easy question and stop copping out
> with the well trained deceitful hands in the air. Of course you
> cannot answer the question without being sadly convicted and condemned
> for being papists!
Dan 12:1 says there will be a time of trouble such as never was since there
was a nation even to that same time. When that happens We have bigger things
to worry about than one man.
Will I face death, or torture for my beliefs? Particularly for keeping the
seventh day sabbath which is a perpetual covenant, a sign of who the True
God and Creator is? I pray not. I will never compromise my beliefs or deny
my God so if it comes to that, then God will help me deal with it. But the
salvation of the righteous is of the Lord: he is their strength in the time
of trouble Psa 37:39 The people who do know their God will be strong, and do
exploits. Dan 11:32
I will never be corrupted by the flatteries of those who work against the
covenant, because I know the Lord, and I know his word, therefore it is
impossible for me to be deceived about his truth. I may however be misguided
when it comes to people. I can be mistaken because I prefer to think the
best of people.
There are many Catholics that I know personally that are far less tolerant
of me than Ted Seeber, my beliefs are not a secret. It took me 6 months to
convince my boss to allow me to work overtime on Sunday as he didn't want me
breaking his Sabbath, and considered it offensive that I would suggest it.
I am considered strange because I will not work on God's Sabbath with
everyone else. I am not nearly as blind or stupid as you seem to think I am.
If the answer to your question is not here then call me clueless.
In love,
Cindy
Dolf Boek
I will try again to answer your question again. What was it you called the
rest of this? " Dirty laundry"? Should you be having dialogue with me? Will
you answer me, or will you just talk about me in response and then expect me
to answer.
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
Dear Animosity,
What's the matter, aren't you getting all the Christian charity you deserve?
Before we talk some more about your hymeneal mysticism as a fraudulent claim
to Christianity, we need to clarify the taxonomy which you are deploying as
it appears your claim to Christianity no longer conforms to Reason or
Revelation and may simply, like the Pope's claim to 'Vicar of Christ', be
discarded as Trash.
ENGLISH LANGUAGE TAXONOMY AS CHAD
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#TAXONOMY
--
- dolf
Does not all Religious naivety begin with 'I do'?
But fortunately the transcendence of time permeates (engenders) all nature.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/meta/time.html#BEGIN
"So-houto speak-laleo ye, and so-houto do-poieo, as they that shall be
judged-krino by the Law-nomos of Liberty-eleutheria' [James 2:12] as the
"first-arche principles-stoicheion of the oracles-logion of God-theos."
[Hebrews 5:12]
This message doesn't constitute authorisation or acceptance by its author,
of the use of their email address for the purposes of unsolicited email
known as 'SPAM'.
Cindy Ford
"Dolf Boek" <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Dear Animosity,
>
> What's the matter, aren't you getting all the Christian charity you
deserve?
Dear Dolf,
Are you following me? :-)
I am frequently judged, it matters not to me in the slightest, unless it
prevents me from saying what I need to.
>
> Before we talk some more about your hymeneal mysticism as a fraudulent
claim
> to Christianity, we need to clarify the taxonomy which you are deploying
as
> it appears your claim to Christianity no longer conforms to Reason or
> Revelation and may simply, like the Pope's claim to 'Vicar of Christ', be
> discarded as Trash.
Hmmm...May I suggest that you do not know what I know, and appearances may
be deceiving.
Please leave out the hymeneal mysticism part in any future discussions as I
do not believe in female deities, even if they have all been called "mother
of God" or "queen of heaven" down through the ages. FYI I do not follow the
Pope. He has been identified as the vile person who will come peacefully and
obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
>
> ENGLISH LANGUAGE TAXONOMY AS CHAD
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#TAXONOMY
>
How does this apply to me in your opinion? since you want to discuss it.
In love,
Cindy
Cindy Ford
Why is it that every time I run into you in a thread you are saying the same
thing?
I am becoming a little concerned. I have a medical background, so although I
am not an expert, I have taken classes in mental health and mental illness,
and have worked with people who have mental illnesses or disorders.
Perhaps you should speak to someone about this obsessive-compulsive behavior
of yours. It is not considered a true mental illness, just a disorder. (Some
people feel the need to distinguish between the two) it is nothing to be
embarrassed by. Without treatment these things can get much worse.
Please take my words in the spirit they are meant in.
Cindy
"Joseph Meehan" <slig...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Dolf Boek
Please leave out the hymeneal mysticism part in any future discussions as I
do not believe in female deities, even if they have all been called "mother
of God" or "queen of heaven" down through the ages. FYI I do not follow the
Pope. He has been identified as the vile person who will come peacefully
and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
Dear Animosity,
As a self avowed non-Seventh-day Adventist, you haven't answered the
observations made against your insubstantial claim to Christianity.
Before we talk some more about your hymeneal mysticism as a fraudulent claim
to Christianity, we need to clarify the taxonomy which you are deploying as
it appears your claim to Christianity no longer conforms to Reason or
Revelation and may simply, like the Pope's claim to 'Vicar of Christ', be
discarded as Trash.
ENGLISH LANGUAGE TAXONOMY AS CHAD
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#TAXONOMY
Joseph Meehan
> Joseph,
>
> Why is it that every time I run into you in a thread you are saying the
same
> thing?
I can't say, how often do you run into me in a thread? How often do you
read something from me other than a message to Ted?
>
> I am becoming a little concerned. I have a medical background, so although
I
> am not an expert, I have taken classes in mental health and mental
illness,
> and have worked with people who have mental illnesses or disorders.
>
> Perhaps you should speak to someone about this obsessive-compulsive
behavior
> of yours. It is not considered a true mental illness, just a disorder.
(Some
> people feel the need to distinguish between the two) it is nothing to be
> embarrassed by. Without treatment these things can get much worse.
Maybe I should. Is the reason you think so based on messages I have
written to just Ted? Do you believe that there is no indication that Ted
should seek a professional evaluation? Do you blelieve it is not good to
encourage those who need help to seek it?
How about others, especially those who have seen my messages to others,
do you believe I have a problem that should be addressed? I would be
interesting in hearing from those on tnn.religion.catholic to see how they
feel.
You may well be seeing non-representative set of my messages since
unless you visit tnn.religion.catholic often you are only seeing responses
to the crossposed messages from Ted.
>
> Please take my words in the spirit they are meant in.
No problem. I am aware that the one needing help seldom is aware of
their own problem. I am also aware that Ted in another enviroment outside
his religious views may be able to fit into society normally.
>
> Cindy
Cindy Ford
> "Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> wrote in message
> news:3c577...@news.teranews.com...
> Please leave out the hymeneal mysticism part in any future discussions as
I
> do not believe in female deities, even if they have all been called
"mother
> of God" or "queen of heaven" down through the ages. FYI I do not follow
the
> Pope. He has been identified as the vile person who will come peacefully
> and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
>
> DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
> Dear Animosity,
>
> As a self avowed non-Seventh-day Adventist, you haven't answered the
> observations made against your insubstantial claim to Christianity.
Be blunt. What observations against me?
>
> Before we talk some more about your hymeneal mysticism as a fraudulent
claim
> to Christianity, we need to clarify the taxonomy which you are deploying
as
> it appears your claim to Christianity no longer conforms to Reason or
> Revelation and may simply, like the Pope's claim to 'Vicar of Christ', be
> discarded as Trash.
>
> ENGLISH LANGUAGE TAXONOMY AS CHAD
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#TAXONOMY
>
I believe I asked you to explain. I can not discuss something I do not
understand.
In reference to your Spam comment below:
Would the virus sent to me, the same one 14 times, all of them in my inbox
this morning be considered SPAM by you?
I become tired of sending them on for investigation, but if it helps someone
else than well, and good.
In love,
Cindy
Cindy Ford
> "Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> wrote in message
> news:3c577...@news.teranews.com...
> > Joseph,
> >
> > Why is it that every time I run into you in a thread you are saying the
> same
> > thing?
>
> I can't say, how often do you run into me in a thread? How often do
you
> read something from me other than a message to Ted?
Actually I only run across you when Ted or Nicholas posts. :-)
>
> >
> > I am becoming a little concerned. I have a medical background, so
although
> I
> > am not an expert, I have taken classes in mental health and mental
> illness,
> > and have worked with people who have mental illnesses or disorders.
> >
> > Perhaps you should speak to someone about this obsessive-compulsive
> behavior
> > of yours. It is not considered a true mental illness, just a disorder.
> (Some
> > people feel the need to distinguish between the two) it is nothing to be
> > embarrassed by. Without treatment these things can get much worse.
>
> Maybe I should. Is the reason you think so based on messages I have
> written to just Ted? Do you believe that there is no indication that Ted
> should seek a professional evaluation? Do you blelieve it is not good to
> encourage those who need help to seek it?
I believe there is a difference between trying to help, and in being
obnoxious. For example, I offered my opinion to you, you are free to follow
my advice or not, if you choose not to, I will not follow you around and
keep repeating myself. What good would that do, other than to make you
appear paranoid if you object.
>
> How about others, especially those who have seen my messages to
others,
> do you believe I have a problem that should be addressed? I would be
> interesting in hearing from those on tnn.religion.catholic to see how they
> feel.
I am sure none will see a problem.
>
> You may well be seeing non-representative set of my messages since
> unless you visit tnn.religion.catholic often you are only seeing responses
> to the crossposed messages from Ted.
Possibly. If you ignored him, as many others are ignored than I would not
have noticed your name popping up in all the crossposted messages.
>
> >
> > Please take my words in the spirit they are meant in.
>
> No problem. I am aware that the one needing help seldom is aware of
> their own problem. I am also aware that Ted in another enviroment outside
> his religious views may be able to fit into society normally.
>
Perhaps next time we can discuss prophesy, and not Ted. For example;
What is your opinion on the prophesies of Saint Malachy the 11th century
Catholic prophet who prophesied that the last Pope would be olivet?(peace)
and how does this fit in with biblical prophesy?
Tom A.
Cindy Ford wrote:
>
> Perhaps next time we can discuss prophesy, and not Ted. For example;
> What is your opinion on the prophesies of Saint Malachy the 11th century
> Catholic prophet who prophesied that the last Pope would be olivet?(peace)
> and how does this fit in with biblical prophesy?
> >
> Cindy
Hey! Something besides anti-Catholicism! Mind if I join?
Unfortunately, I don't know that much about his prophesies. First heard
about them with the death of John Paul I. I have heard that the
authenticity of the prophesy document is questioned. And reading some
of convolutions and links between the prophecy's descriptions and the
popes shows as much imagination on the part of the interpreters, as I've
seen applied to the random word generator Norstradamus. It does not
give me much encouragement that the prophesy is true. So if it is a
fake, it isn't something to worry about.
If it isn't though....
It's still not something to worry about. :-) "End of life, end of time
- is there a difference?"-me.
If, as it says, there are only two more popes, then there is a good
chance that I will live to see the End. That's quite exciting, but also
frightening. Am I up to the tribulation? Is my faith strong enough?
And this will probably interfere with my plans to watch the tall ships
sail into NY harbor on July 4, 2076 for the tricentennial.
Interesting thing about Malachy's prophesy - it doesn't have the
anti-christ as the last pope. (However, on a literal reading, the
anti-christ can't be pope, because to teach heresy would be proof that
the person isn't the pope.)
One definite difference between the prophesy of Malachy and
Norstradamus, is that Malachy can be tested. If the next pope has
nothing to do with "The Glory of the Olive" then it proves itself
false. However, looking at how other popes' lives have been stretched
to fit the prophesy, I have a feeling _anyone_ who is elected will have
_something_ in their background that can be pointed to and have the
Malachy faithful say "See! Correct again."
But besides an mental exercise, even if true, the prophesy is private
revelation, and no one is required to believe it except for Malachy, and
now he _knows_ so even he has no more use for belief. :-)
--
Tom A.
"No doubt many that post deserve to be flamed. And many that are flamed
didn't deserve it. Can you give them the latter? Then don't be so
quick to deal out the former!" - not Gandalf.
Deja mail is gone. Look for me at raugost at yahoo . com
Paul Tooley
No you are not obsessive and I think your advice to Ted would be good if it
were acted upon. I do not understand why people insist on beating their
heads against brick walls though. If anyone is really interested in Ted's
welfare it would seem that they might channel their energy into prayer. I
don't believe your messages are getting through to him, and Cindy's
continuing engagement with him has merely fanned the flames. Both of you
might be better served to put him on you blocked list and pray that God will
intervene on his behalf.
Sincerely,
Paul
"Joseph Meehan" <slig...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:QdP58.11903$PE.46...@typhoon.columbus.rr.com...
Dolf Boek
Be blunt. What observations against me? I believe I asked you to explain. I
can not discuss something I do not understand.
In reference to your Spam comment below: Would the virus sent to me, the
same one 14 times, all of them in my inbox this morning be considered SPAM
by you? I become tired of sending them on for investigation, but if it helps
someone else than well, and good.
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
Dear Animosity,
Why don't you stick manifestly to the task at hand, namely the lack of
fidelity asnd complaince given by you to the principles of 'Reason &
Revelation' as your claim to Evangelical Christianity:
Before we talk some more about your hymeneal mysticism as a fraudulent claim
to Christianity, we need to clarify the taxonomy which you are deploying as
it appears your claim to Christianity no longer conforms to Reason or
Revelation and may simply, like the Pope's claim to 'Vicar of Christ', be
discarded as the delusions of a Sychophant.
ENGLISH LANGUAGE TAXONOMY AS CHAD
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#TAXONOMY
The English language is by Nature onomantick in character {21 constants & 5
vowels mapped to the Pythagorean/Platonic Solids; ônum = 800,000} and
therefore must obey the rules of harmony which is implied by the early
philosophers concerning observations made of the cosmological
Elements-Stoicheion. Henry Cornelius Agrippa (b. 1486 CE), who in setting
forth his Theological Philosophy, or Divinity, gives valuable insights into
the Nature of Philosophy, its connection to the English, Hebrew and Greek
alphabets and the source of his mystical teachings up to 1509 CE.
--
Ted McMillan
> "Ted McMillan" <tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com> wrote in message
> news:c9dac66d.02012...@posting.google.com...
> > "Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> wrote in message
> news:<3c55d...@news.teranews.com>...
>
> I will try again to answer your question again. What was it you called the
> rest of this? " Dirty laundry"? Should you be having dialogue with me? Will
> you answer me, or will you just talk about me in response and then expect me
> to answer.
Well viewing that you haven't answered me since I've known you I would
say you have no reason to be annoyed. You favored a murderer of many
Christians because you were too busy attacking the "mean" person who
dared to reprove him. That murderer has disqualified you from
existing if you really are an Adventist by his words, but you and he
all seem to get along well as you come to the conclusion you had to
attack the worst of two seeming evils.
> > > I tried. I give up... Believe what you want. I am not against you or
> > > opposing you. And... I forgive you for being so blind.. And I love you
> > > anyway.
>
> >
> > You mean I gave you a simple question, and then you pretend to answer
> > it. I therefore repeat the question to you and then you falsely
> > babble mere claims that you tried to be reconciliatory? You then
> > name-call me telling the world that I am blind, and then babble that
> > you love me?
>
> And if Jesus Christ himself told you that you were blind because you refused
> to see the truth, and then told you he loved you, would you call him a liar,
> and a namecaller, and tell him he was babbling?
No I would not because you know that I know Jesus is not unscrupulous.
You know that I know that when Jesus comes back he is not going to
seek out the "name-callers". He doesn't go by the papal despot beat!
He didn't write in Revelation that the judgment of the whore would be
that she name-calls. Seeber gloried over the fact that the saints
were put to death for not living the bible according to his standards.
I reproved him and was thence attacked by you and your other papal
friends. When Jesus comes, if I have done evil, He will not even take
a glancing look at me before He fries the murderer! Now that murderer
has disqualified you from living, for you falsely claim to be
Adventist. By his words, you deserve to be persecuted and to die.
This is much worse than being called what you really are.
And now Cindy Ford still won't answer the question, but she more
proves where she was trained. The question was as I said: Since Ted
Seeber gloried that multitudes of Christians were put to death because
they didn't "live the bible" according to his standards, how is it
that he favors Vatican Cindy and Vatican Angelo when they by their
words do not live the bible according to his standards. Why have they
refused to touch Seeber and has done everything to attack, judge,
discredit and name-call me. This is "ass" speaking!
> > You claim to love me. THOSE ARE YOUR CLAIMS! What should I do with
> > them
>
> Try believing me.
I said I am not unloving, contrary to your despot name-calling and
judging. Why should I believe you and the other Jesuits when you
walked and defacated clear over all my claims?
> I like to debate, I do not like anger, or arguements. My
> intention in talking to you the second time was none of those things. If I
> didn't really care, I would have given up long ago. You know exactly what I
> have done, and said in trying to get you to listen to me. Why would I do
> that unless I cared? It is not to get you to shutup, or to oppose you.
Then Ted Seeber cares, for he refuses to ignore me though he also
(admittedly trained by your pope) has the same agenda about the worst
crime in the world is meanness in exposing atrocities. Joe Meehan,
another abandoned Catholic also care. He constantly calls me insane,
but cannot bear to ignore my posts. When I ask him questions and add
points he replies with one-liners teling the world that he prays I
would get the psychiatric help I need. All of them have this great
agenda about love.
Recently on the Yahoo Clubs on the Seventh-day Adventist Club, we met
the same papal love clowns. They are all there doing the same thing:
calling me "mean" and "unloving" and babbling how loving they are.
Soon imposters logged on with names very similar to my login name and
began posting how I apologize for being unloving. They carried many
insults, showing me telling the world how I have a "tin-foil hat."
All those imposters posting had the same brainwaves as you. Damnably
unscrupulous their constant messages of arrogance is papal love. How
come they think like you also?
Of course you care. For I am exposing you. You have to babble how
they are untrue, and, as we can see, you have to avoid my questions by
adding new questions of your own. You will expect that I must answer
your questions.
> RIDDLE ME THIS, If I am a vatican infiltrant as you claim, why don't I
> (using your words) interfere with anyone else, trying to teach the gospel,
> and warn people? or try to make them out to be unloving?
Cindy is asking more questions when she knows I asked her questions
already. This is great training back at the Vatican. Why don't they
bother anyone else? One reason is because I ask the questions they
dare not answer. Another is that I reproved a fellow Vatican
super-terrorist in Ted Seeber. This got her real upset. So, even
though by Ted Seeber's words, Cindy is marked for death, she doesn't
care because actually she does "live the bible" according to Seeber:
she is a Vatican infiltrant. That was the question but Cindy is
making sure she does what is necessary to divert from it. So here now
are more techniques given by Cindy Ford to evade my questions:
Give me an
> instance where I have done this, or said anything to turn someone away from
> the truth of God or his commandments. Give me an instance where I have
> attacked Ellen G White, or SDA doctrines. Give me one instance where I have
> said all you have to do is accept Jesus as your savior and then just kick
> back and relax, cause everythings been done for you. Have I ever said
> salvation is a no brainer?
>
>
> >I claimed that I was not unloving as you moved heaven and earth
> > to tell the world.
>
> I was not talking to the world! I was talking to YOU. I am forced to do it
> in front of the world by your choice!!! So do not get all bent out of shape
> and act like it offends you now. I have much I could choose to be offended
> by. I choose not to be.
Christ made Cindy smart enough to know that she will post her
judgmentalism on the newsgroup but she is only talking privately to
me. Why does she get bent out of shape when I demonstrate she is a
Vatican infiltrant? What happened to my question I asked her that she
is now evading?
> >What did you do with my claims?
>
> I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and I prayed about it, and I have since
> stated I believe that you are loving, but it is the way you talk to people
> that keeps them from seeing this. WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THIS CLAIM OF MINE?
I have told you. You claim to be loving, but you only attacked me
even though a super-terrorist has spoken and urinated on the graves of
millions of Christians. That super-terrorist has shown himself to be
intolerant even of the religion that you infiltrate, but you couldn't
care. You read somewhere in the bible that false prophets and the
Antichrist will come to the world and be mean and unloving. Spreading
heresy and death don't mean a thing.
I will here end the Vatican diatribe in following Cindy's trained
techniques back at the Vatican in evading questions. My first
question she said she gives up on is still waiting after many more.
Ted McMillan
> It seems he is not too found of the real Adventist church as they don't
> seem to go along with his version.
>
> When you read this Ted, please take our advice. We really don't hate
> you, but you really need professional help.
> --
> Dia 's Muire duit
>
> Joseph E. Meehan
That does make sense, for it seems that you like the "real" Adventist
Church even though you hate Ellen White. Does the "real" Adventist
Church hate Ellen White?
I suppose then that I believe correctly!
Ted McMillan
Ted McMillan
> Joseph,
>
> Why is it that every time I run into you in a thread you are saying the same
> thing?
>
> I am becoming a little concerned. I have a medical background, so although I
> am not an expert, I have taken classes in mental health and mental illness,
> and have worked with people who have mental illnesses or disorders.
>
> Perhaps you should speak to someone about this obsessive-compulsive behavior
> of yours. It is not considered a true mental illness, just a disorder. (Some
> people feel the need to distinguish between the two) it is nothing to be
> embarrassed by. Without treatment these things can get much worse.
>
> Please take my words in the spirit they are meant in.
>
> Cindy
What is the diagnosis for a mental disorder that takes place when a
super-terrorist gloats that millions of Christians were persecuted and
murdered because they did not agree to his religious beliefs, but when
that super-terrorist is reproved, a very "loving" person enters for
the attack and refuses to see the super-terrorist?
That was question number one not answered now for months to this day!
Ted McMillan
Andrew
"Ted McMillan" wrote:
>
> Would to God that those strange people like you around me
> teaching me how Christ is in control would post much less!
>
And why do you not want Christ to be in control? You may
choose either Him or Satan. Consider these words of EGW:
"Satan or Christ in Control.--When the mind is not under the direct influence of the Spirit of God, Satan can mold it as he
chooses. All the rational powers which he controls he will carnalize. He is directly opposed to God in his tastes, views,
preferences, likes and dislikes, choice of things and pursuits; there is no relish for what God loves or approves but a delight in
those things which He despises. . . .
If Christ is abiding in the heart, He will be in all our thoughts. Our deepest thoughts will be of Him, His love, His purity. He
will fill all the chambers of the mind. Our affections will center about Jesus. All our hopes and expectations will be associated
with Him. To live the life we now live by faith in the Son of God, looking forward to and loving His appearing, will be the soul's
highest joy. He will be the crown of our rejoicing." 1MCP 238
Ted, since there is none better than Jesus. Then choose Him. Surrender to Him.
> > I am sorry Ted, for these things in your life which have
> > brought you to the condition you are in now. Please be
> > it known to you that there is a God in heaven who loves
> > you. There is an all powerful Savior who is able to make
> > something beautiful of your life and to give you a place
> > with Him through all future ages in His kingdom of glory.
>
>
> You really ought to try and at least then capture something on earth
> instead!
>
This world is not for us, Ted. Choose Jesus, choose life..
and not "capture something on earth instead"
" Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world.
If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust
of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is
of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that
doeth the will of God abideth for ever." 1John2:15-17
> > It was unclear on other posts whether you claimed to be
> > a Christian.
>
> Looks like someone is judging, eh?
>
No, not judging, Ted. But giving you opportunity to clarify
whether you claim to be a Christian. Do you acknowledge
Him to be your Savior? Has He made any difference in your
life? Do you love Him? Do you know Him?
"Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him
will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also
deny before my Father which is in heaven." Mt 10:32-33
> > Now, while the door of mercy is still open,
> > while probationary hours are fast fleeting into eternity, is
> > the opportunity for you (and all of us) to respond to the
> > powerful drawing of Jesus Christ .. to humble ourselves
> > before Him in repentance for our sins and to surrender
> > our lives to Him daily.
>
> Not so fast, buddy.
>
But not too slow either, for Jesus is waiting, and the door of
mercy will soon close. Then He will don the garments of
vengeance as He returns in flaming fire.
May His peace and presence fill your heart as you
surrender to Him now is my prayer for you.
Andrew
Joseph Meehan
Maybe a little personal history may help. Some 35 years ago one of my
employees was a lovely young woman. However she had an attendence problem.
After a while I noticed that after some of these missed days she would come
into work with bruises. It did not take long to put two and two together to
figure out that her husband was abusing her.
This was in the days before enlightmended management tools so I was on
my own. She confirmed the problem. While I could not force her to leave
him at least until he obtained help, I did make the suggestion. She never
took that advice and the situation got worse, until she no longer showed up
for work at all.
Today I know better. I know that this situation is not just the man's
problem, but the woman often needs professional help to overcome her
problems before she can accept that it is not her fault.
I often reflect how, if I had known more then, and had tried to help her
get the professional help she needed, maybe she would have suffered much
less. I don't know how it all ended up and that has always bothered me.
I guess I may push a little extra hard when I see someone who may need
help yet they don't see it themselves. Maybe that experience has prepared
me to help another. If I have helped just one, I would feel better.
> > How about others, especially those who have seen my messages to
> others,
> > do you believe I have a problem that should be addressed? I would be
> > interesting in hearing from those on tnn.religion.catholic to see how
they
> > feel.
>
> I am sure none will see a problem.
> >
> > You may well be seeing non-representative set of my messages since
> > unless you visit tnn.religion.catholic often you are only seeing
responses
> > to the crossposed messages from Ted.
>
> Possibly. If you ignored him, as many others are ignored than I would not
> have noticed your name popping up in all the crossposted messages.
> >
> > >
> > > Please take my words in the spirit they are meant in.
> >
> > No problem. I am aware that the one needing help seldom is aware of
> > their own problem. I am also aware that Ted in another enviroment
outside
> > his religious views may be able to fit into society normally.
> >
> Perhaps next time we can discuss prophesy, and not Ted. For example;
> What is your opinion on the prophesies of Saint Malachy the 11th century
> Catholic prophet who prophesied that the last Pope would be olivet?(peace)
> and how does this fit in with biblical prophesy?
> >
I have to admitt that while Irish I had almost no knowledge of Saint
Malachy other than a slight recognition of his name. I did a little
research, very little, so here is a personal thought or two.
First I have very little confidence in prophesies that have not been
made part of Catholic Doctrine. That includes most phophesies that have
little or no connection to the Catholic Church or even to religion. They
may be fun to talk about, but as a matter of truth, well I guess I don't see
it.
From what I have read, the Saint Malachy prophesies are more
questionalble than most. Even their authorship and century of authorship
seems to be in question. In addition as with most they can be interperted
many ways and are often initerpeted in ways not supported by the work
itself, but by the thoughts and wishes of those doing the interpertation.
For example the line of popes that are said to be part of his work and
the count offered suggesting that only a very few popes are left before the
end, is based on an invalid assumption that goes something like this. "...
and then there will be pope green and the last pope will be red. But it
does not say if there will be pope silver, blue yellow etc, after green but
before red.
I would guess since you brought up the subject, you know much more about
it than I. Maybe you could fill me in on your thoughts and maybe some
additional information. I was filling in a lot of holes in my knowledge
with guesses in order to come up with my thoughts.
I do find it interesting and if I get time, maybe I will do a little
more research.
Cindy Ford
Snip
>
> DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
> Dear Animosity,
>
> Why don't you stick manifestly to the task at hand, namely the lack of
> fidelity asnd complaince given by you to the principles of 'Reason &
> Revelation' as your claim to Evangelical Christianity:
>
> Before we talk some more about your hymeneal mysticism as a fraudulent
claim
> to Christianity, we need to clarify the taxonomy which you are deploying
as
> it appears your claim to Christianity no longer conforms to Reason or
> Revelation and may simply, like the Pope's claim to 'Vicar of Christ', be
> discarded as the delusions of a Sychophant.
>
> ENGLISH LANGUAGE TAXONOMY AS CHAD
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#TAXONOMY
>
> The English language is by Nature onomantick in character {21 constants &
5
> vowels mapped to the Pythagorean/Platonic Solids; ônum = 800,000} and
> therefore must obey the rules of harmony which is implied by the early
> philosophers concerning observations made of the cosmological
> Elements-Stoicheion. Henry Cornelius Agrippa (b. 1486 CE), who in setting
> forth his Theological Philosophy, or Divinity, gives valuable insights
into
> the Nature of Philosophy, its connection to the English, Hebrew and Greek
> alphabets and the source of his mystical teachings up to 1509 CE.
>
> Snipped for context.
CINDY FORD RESPONDS:
DEAR DOLF:
I don't get it. Here is the only Quip Pro Quo(fast retort) I can come up
with on the subject of language.
" You ARE following me" she said to her shadow.
"Cognito Eggo Sum ( I think therefore I am a waffle)" he replied
"There are all too many octothorpes in the subject lines" she said with her
head pounding.
"I'll have to send that post again" he said repeatedly
"Harley vous francais?( Do you ride a french motorcycle)?" He asked
"L etat c'est Moe (All the worlds a stooge)" she sighed.
" I'll have to send that post again" he repeated.
"Merci rien (thanks for nothing)" she responded
"Visa La France( Don't leave your chateau without out it)" The shadow
advised
"The shortest distance between two jokes is a straight line" She replied
without amusement.
"You have a blot upon your soul" He accused darkly
"Pardonez moist( forgiven by baptism)" she explained drenchingly
"I haven't caught a fish all day" he complained without debate.
"That's the last time I pet a lion" she answered offhandedly.
Jan. 30, 2002
Dolf Boek
I don't get it. Here is the only Quip Pro Quo(fast retort) I can come up
with on the subject of language. " You ARE following me" she said to her
shadow. "Cognito Eggo Sum ( I think therefore I am a waffle)" he replied
"There are all too many octothorpes in the subject lines" she said with her
head pounding. "I'll have to send that post again" he said repeatedly
"Harley vous francais?( Do you ride a french motorcycle)?" He asked "L etat
c'est Moe (All the worlds a stooge)" she sighed. " I'll have to send that
post again" he repeated. "Merci rien (thanks for nothing)" she responded
"Visa La France( Don't leave your chateau without out it)" The shadow
advised "The shortest distance between two jokes is a straight line" She
replied without amusement. "You have a blot upon your soul" He accused
darkly "Pardonez moist( forgiven by baptism)" she explained drenchingly "I
haven't caught a fish all day" he complained without debate. "That's the
last time I pet a lion" she answered offhandedly. Jan. 30, 2002
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
Dear Animosity,
If you can't answer the questions put to you as a means of establishing your
faith and purpose on this forum, there would appear no reason for you to
harass those who are legitimate Seventh-day Adventists. Your SPAM is out of
context which what you otherwise demand of others: "I will make it easy for
you. There seems to be an excess number of threads and posts on this
subject. ( If only this NG had some of the rules that some forums do) I have
therefore deleted all other words. Here is your question Ted: Do they live
the bible according to Seeber's standards being (as they say) Adventists?
Here you asked again: I now ask you all whether or not you "live the bible"
according to Seeber's standards. Here is my answer: i do not live the bible
according to Catholic standards. So as Ted Seeber is a catholic... I am
saying the answer is "No I don't." Case closed. And unless you furnish
proof of your other allegations I will not comment." [Internet Personality
Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> in message
news:3c587...@news.teranews.com... claiming to be a legitimacy as
Christian]
I'll repeat the post which you have continued to fail to address. Why don't
you stick manifestly to the task at hand, namely the lack of
fidelity and compliance given by you to the Rational principles of 'Reason &
Revelation' as your claim to Evangelical Christianity.
Before we talk some more about your hymeneal mysticism as a fraudulent claim
to Christianity, we need to clarify the taxonomy which you are deploying as
it appears your claim to Christianity no longer conforms to Reason or
Revelation and may simply, like the Pope's claim to 'Vicar of Christ', be
discarded as the delusions of a Sychophant.
ENGLISH LANGUAGE TAXONOMY AS CHAD
If language be it's concord,
Then myth is but disease,
With poetry as its sword.
Gossip the mass to appease.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#TAXONOMY
The English language is by Nature onomantick in character {21 constants & 5
vowels mapped to the Pythagorean/Platonic Solids; ônum = 800,000} and
therefore must obey the rules of harmony which is implied by the early
philosophers concerning observations made of the cosmological
Elements-Stoicheion. Henry Cornelius Agrippa (b. 1486 CE), who in setting
forth his Theological Philosophy, or Divinity, gives valuable insights into
the Nature of Philosophy, its connection to the English, Hebrew and Greek
alphabets and the source of his mystical teachings up to 1509 CE.
The Pope's recent plea for Catholic lawyers to boycott divorce cases
highlights the circumstance of continuing Religious rights abuses within
Australia, especially those abuses which have been given legitimacy by
Archbishop Pell's refusal of communion, which may also be seen as
acknowledgement by the papal sychophant, that Catholics everywhere are
required to deny justice to homosexuals.
Evanglical Christianity has traditionally been defined by ecclesiastical
ritual such as marriage and participation of the 'blessed Sacrament' (hence
the un-Constitutional act by the Catholic Archbishop George Pell towards gay
men, lesbians and their families in refusal of Communion may be regarded as
no less an act of TERRORISM), rather than according to the Biblical
Principle "by act of Nature"--The Sabbath is afteral the 7th Day in
accordance with the Commandment of Yahweh as the God of Abraham, the God of
Isaac and the God of Jacob.
Richard Norton-Taylor, who writes for the Guardian is quoted in The Age on
23 January, 2002 p 11 as saying that "'Terrorism', is now defined extremely
broadly in law, covering 'the use or threat of action' designed to influence
the government or to advance a 'political, religious, or ideological' cause.
Such action includes the threat of committing 'serious damage to property'.
The question is whether such consideration can be extended to Religous
motivated bio-psychological abuses such as the racialism manifested by
Catholics and Protestants of the mid 20th century, which culminated in world
conflict--for which they have given no public accountability.
I wonder, given the long history of human rights abuses by the Catholic
Church within Australia, when she will be causing her feral children from
the hymeneal cult of Mary, to cease their abuses of people attending for
services at the Family planning centre in Melbourne.
Particularly so when you consider that the centre has a universal
theological framework, as a religious statement from which they can provide
their services. Such a biopsychological {psychology, biology, sociology,
theology} statement is substantially better than which is presently enjoyed
by the Catholic church, which as the basis of its claim to Christian
witness, claims to be a tax-haven and welfare agency.
These protests ought to be considered illegal and funding should be removed
from the Catholic Church, until she brings her Institution into compliance
with our Constitution.
That this opportunity for religious persecution presently occurs within
Australia, despite and to the detriment of our Constitutional Rights, is
evident from recent findings given by the Equal Opportunity Commission, that
: "The reasons as to why your application was refused do indicate that your
sexual orientation was a factor. However, the Seventh-day Adventist Church
appears to be covered by an exception provided in section 75(2)(b) of the
Equal Opportunity Act 1995. This section allows the Church to discriminate
against a person where it is necessary to avoid injury to the religious
sensitivities of the people of the religion. The Church has submitted that
your position on homosexuality will divert members from the purpose and goal
of the church. It would appear that section 75(2)(b) applies." [Letter from
Diane Sisley, Chief Executive, Equal Opportunity Commission of Victoria 26
April, 2001]
I believe Dr. Diane Sisley is given to hymeneal mysticism as a fraudulent
claim to Evangelical Christianity, which clouds her judgement. As it no
longer conforms to Reason or Revelation, her statement can best be described
as 'Fascist' with rational no basis in law--She should stand down from your
position as Equal Opportunity Commissioner.
Perhaps as history records of Mary Whiteside and as Adolph Hitler suggests,
there is a connection between the Christian Church's fraudulent claim to a
monotheitic faith {Amen-Ra or Aten Worship} as hymenealism and the hatred of
Torah observant Jews and Homosexuals: "Protestantism will always stand up
for the advancement of all Germanism as such, as long as matters of inner
purity or national depending ('Nationale Vertiefung') as well as German
freedom are involved, since all these things have a firm foundation in its
own being; but it combats with the greatest hostility any attempt to rescue
the nation from the embrace of its most mortal enemy, since its attitude
towards the Jews just happens to be more or less dogmatically established.
Yet here we are facing the question without whose solution all other
attempts as a German reawakening or resurrection are and remain absolutely
senseless and impossible." [Adolf Hitler, Mien Kampf, © 1943 Houghton
Mifflin & Co, p 103]
Dogmatic Theology doesn't preach the gospel. It can't be a gift when ascetic
virtue demands compliance on the threat of punitive action. No matter how
restrained by lips of compassion, the practitioners of such folly are like
an unsecured tent flapping in the breeze:--"Pope John Paul II deplored
efforts to give gay unions the same recognition as marriages between men and
women-lamenting the 'widespread deterioration of the natural and religious
sense of marriage.' The Vatican frowns on giving gay couples benefits such
as pensions or public housing or allowing homosexuals to marry. A few small
cities and towns in Italy have recently taken such initiatives, to the
embarrassment of local prelates. The pope's long-standing position on
homosexuality is that homosexuals should be treated compassionately. But he
rules out homosexual sex, as well as any sex outside marriage." [Associated
Press, 'Pope Frowns on Gay Marriages', Press release of January 21, 1999
reporting from Vatican City]
Although commenting specifically on the American Fundamentalist phenomena
and their relationship to Theology, Paul Tillich gives cause for
understanding the lack of progress amongst Christians to foster human rights
as religious rights for those attributed by 'gender and sexuality identity'
by suggesting that, "...afraid of missing the eternal truth, they identify
it with some previous theological work, with traditional conceptions and
solutions, and try to impose these on a new, different situation. They
confuse eternal truth with a temporal expression of this truth. This is
evident in European theological orthodoxy, which in America is known as
fundamentalism.
When fundamentalism is combined with an antitheological bias, as it is, for
instance, in its biblicistic-evangelical form, the theological truth of
yesterday is defended as an unchangeable message against the theological
truth of today and tomorrow. Fundamentalism fails to make contact with the
present situation, not because it speaks from beyond every situation, but
because it speaks from the situation of the past. It elevates something
finite and transitory to infinite and eternal validity. In this respect
fundamentalism has demonic traits. It destroys the humble honesty of the
search for truth, it splits the conscience of its thoughtful adherents, and
it makes them fanatical because they are forced to suppress elements of
truth of which they are dimly aware." [Paul Tillich, 'Systematic Theology -
Reason & Revelation, Being and God' © 1951 University of Chicago, p 3]
But who can forget that most famous interpolation upon the Canon of
Scripture by the 1611 CE English Bible: "For there are three that bear
record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three
are one." [1 John 5:7 (KJV)]
By 'Our Father-pater which-ho art in heaven-ouranos, {NATURE CONTAINS
NATURE/SABBATH}' which is conveyed by Jesus of Nazareth's model Christian
Prayer found in [Matthew 6:9-13], a distinction is drawn between the pagan
{Amen-Ra/Aten worship} astrological conception of Numbers-Heteros {Other}
established on planetary daimons {sun/moon only 5 planets}. And the Torah's
Sabbath {Base-7 as Wed-Sat 28 year cycle} chronological conception held by
King David's Sanctuary Service to Yahweh and referenced in the Book of Time
as Weeks and Jubilees [circa 150 BCE].
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/lexicon/heteros.html
"After-houto this-houto manner-houto therefore-oun pray-proseuchomaiye:
Our Father-pater which-ho art in heaven-ouranos, {NATURE CONTAINS
NATURE/SABBATH}
Hallowed-hagiazo be thy name-onoma. {NATURE REJOICES IN ITS NATURE/HONOR
PARENTS}
Thy kingdom-basileia come-erchomai. {NATURE SURMOUNTS NATURE/INTELLECT NOT
MURDER}
Thy will-thelema be done-ginomai in earth-ge, as it is in heaven-ouranos.
{NATURE CAN ONLY BE AMENDED IN ITS OWN NATURE/PUBLIC PRAYER & SPIRITUAL
FIDELITY}
Give-didomi us this day-semeron our daily-epiousios bread-artos. {TORAH'S
WISDOM & PIETY AS NATURE LOST/THEFT}
And forgive-aphiemi us our debts-opheilema, as we forgive-aphiemi our
debtors-opheiletes. {FORMA CORPORIS OR BODY OF NATURE/FALSE WITNESS}
And lead-eisphero us not into-eis temptation-peirasmos, but deliver-rhuomai
us from evil-poneros: {ENGENDERING NATURE/COVET}
For thine-sou is the kingdom-basileia , and the power-dunamis, and the
glory-doxa, for ever-aion. Amen-amen." {GOD'S NATURE} [Matthew 6:9-13]
Dolf Boek
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#TAXONOMY
1. MENTALISM (Gender - CHAD)
2. CORRESPONDENCE (Cause & Effect)
3. VIBRATION (Rhythm)
4. POLARITY (Polarity)
5. RHYTHM (Vibration) <-- BEGINNING OF ART
6. CAUSE & EFFECT (Correspondence)
7. GENDER (Mentalism - CHAD)
as 'Fascist' with no rational basis in law--She should stand down from your
position as Equal Opportunity Commissioner.
Perhaps as history records of Mary Whiteside and as Adolph Hitler suggests,
there is a continuing connection between the Christian Church's fraudulent
claim to a monotheitic faith {Amen-Ra or Aten Worship} as hymenealism and
the hatred of Torah observant Jews and Homosexuals: "Protestantism will
always stand up for the advancement of all Germanism as such, as long as
matters of inner purity or national depending ('Nationale Vertiefung') as
well as German freedom are involved, since all these things have a firm
foundation in its own being; but it combats with the greatest hostility any
attempt to rescue the nation from the embrace of its most mortal enemy,
since its attitude towards the Jews just happens to be more or less
dogmatically established. Yet here we are facing the question without whose
solution all other attempts as a German reawakening or resurrection are and
remain absolutely senseless and impossible." [Adolf Hitler, Mien Kampf, Š
1943 Houghton Mifflin & Co, p 103]
Although commenting specifically on the American Fundamentalist phenomena
and their relationship to Theology, Paul Tillich gives cause for
understanding the lack of progress amongst Christians to foster human rights
as religious rights for those attributed by 'gender and sexuality identity'
by suggesting that, "...afraid of missing the eternal truth, they identify
it with some previous theological work, with traditional conceptions and
solutions, and try to impose these on a new, different situation. They
confuse eternal truth with a temporal expression of this truth. This is
evident in European theological orthodoxy, which in America is known as
fundamentalism.
When fundamentalism is combined with an antitheological bias, as it is, for
instance, in its biblicistic-evangelical form, the theological truth of
yesterday is defended as an unchangeable message against the theological
truth of today and tomorrow. Fundamentalism fails to make contact with the
present situation, not because it speaks from beyond every situation, but
because it speaks from the situation of the past. It elevates something
finite and transitory to infinite and eternal validity. In this respect
fundamentalism has demonic traits. It destroys the humble honesty of the
search for truth, it splits the conscience of its thoughtful adherents, and
it makes them fanatical because they are forced to suppress elements of
truth of which they are dimly aware." [Paul Tillich, 'Systematic Theology -
Reason & Revelation, Being and God' Š 1951 University of Chicago, p 3]
Dogmatic Theology doesn't preach the gospel. It can't be a gift when ascetic
virtue demands compliance on the threat of punitive action. No matter how
restrained by lips of compassion, the practitioners of such folly are like
an unsecured tent flapping in the breeze:--"Pope John Paul II deplored
efforts to give gay unions the same recognition as marriages between men and
women-lamenting the 'widespread deterioration of the natural and religious
sense of marriage.' The Vatican frowns on giving gay couples benefits such
as pensions or public housing or allowing homosexuals to marry. A few small
cities and towns in Italy have recently taken such initiatives, to the
embarrassment of local prelates. The pope's long-standing position on
homosexuality is that homosexuals should be treated compassionately. But he
rules out homosexual sex, as well as any sex outside marriage." [Associated
Press, 'Pope Frowns on Gay Marriages', Press release of January 21, 1999
reporting from Vatican City]
But who can forget that most famous interpolation upon the Canon of
Ted McMillan
> Cindy Ford wrote:
> >
>
> > Perhaps next time we can discuss prophesy, and not Ted. For example;
> > What is your opinion on the prophesies of Saint Malachy the 11th century
> > Catholic prophet who prophesied that the last Pope would be olivet?(peace)
> > and how does this fit in with biblical prophesy?
> > >
> > Cindy
>
> Hey! Something besides anti-Catholicism! Mind if I join?
Well see friend, for centuries the Protestants wanted something
besides them being hunted down and put to death. That was called,
"Anti-Protestantism," and that is something you are completely
insensitive to. That's why the United States was created. Now you
know what Seeber did when he was telling us how multitudes of
Protestants were put to death. He did this in the year 2001: a long
time of no change on the part of that power that cannot understand
what Anti-Protestantism is. Why should anyone be disgusted with your
paranoia for what you call Anti-Catholicism, when you don't mind
shedding the blood of the saints?
Just the prophecies show that Christ is Anti-Catholic according to
your standards. The true church can expound on those prophecies very
well. That is why people like Cindy and all professing Adventism
typical arrive to teach us we must not expound upon it.
> Unfortunately, I don't know that much about his prophesies.
No wonder you call people Anti-Catholic and therefore call Christ
Himself the same, for Christ wrote those prophecies and they speak
about Rome.
> First heard
> about them with the death of John Paul I. I have heard that the
> authenticity of the prophesy document is questioned. And reading some
> of convolutions and links between the prophecy's descriptions and the
> popes shows as much imagination on the part of the interpreters, as I've
> seen applied to the random word generator Norstradamus.
They have a vivid imagination just because they disagree with you.
> It does not
> give me much encouragement that the prophesy is true. So if it is a
> fake, it isn't something to worry about.
But you are authentic!
Cindy Ford
You are not the Newsgroup policeman who determines who can post here. FACT.
You are not the Judge no matter how you try to justify your behavior. God
gave that right to Jesus, and no one else. FACT. My beliefs are between Me
and MY God, and no one else, and are really no ones business unless I choose
to share them. Nor should the church I am affiliated with be a subject of
debate. I go there, I am welcome there and it is no one elses business. I am
not required to answer to anyone but God. FACT. So take your monkey court
and your buddy Ted and go play judge and jury somewhere else.
Cindy
>
Dolf Boek
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
The Scriptures says 'Test-PROTON {first} all things-DOKIMAZO {prove}'. As
member of an American originating, minority Christian religious group, I
feel we can justifiably question the validity and reject your claim to a
Christian religious experience which appears at odds with Seventh-day
Adventism as an eschatological Christian rationalistic and revivalistic
movement that is ever concerned with Revelation and Reason--"Commandments of
God and the Testimony of Jesus."
Your evangelical and hymeneal mystical trash which you peddle as
Christianity, fails to meet the requirements of a Seventh-day Adventist. We
have publically questioned, considered your responses, judged their merit
and excommunicated you according to Scripture and the measure of the Holy
Spirit granted us.
The founding illuminato of the Seventh-day Adventist Church was similarly
disfellowshipped from a Methodist {Australia: Uniting Church} congregation
for practising her Seventh-day Adventist belief according to conscience.
Your claim to a Christian faith is made on the basis of calculated and
contrived opposition and disassembly of foundational Seventh-day belief
without the desire to enter into meaningful dialog.
You should accept your conduct is tantamount to religious hypocrisy and
leave.
--
- dolf
Does not all Religious naivety begin with 'I do'?
But fortunately the transcendence of time permeates (engenders) all nature.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/meta/time.html#BEGIN
"So-houto speak-laleo ye, and so-houto do-poieo, as they that shall be
judged-krino by the Law-nomos of Liberty-eleutheria' [James 2:12] as the
"first-arche principles-stoicheion of the oracles-logion of God-theos."
[Hebrews 5:12]
This message doesn't constitute authorisation or acceptance by its author,
of the use of their email address for the purposes of unsolicited email
known as 'SPAM'.
"Dolf Boek" <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:km368.25011$Ni2.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> wrote in message
news:3c58a...@news.teranews.com...
I don't get it. Here is the only Quip Pro Quo(fast retort) I can come up
with on the subject of language. " You ARE following me" she said to her
shadow. "Cognito Eggo Sum ( I think therefore I am a waffle)" he replied
"There are all too many octothorpes in the subject lines" she said with her
head pounding. "I'll have to send that post again" he said repeatedly
"Harley vous francais?( Do you ride a french motorcycle)?" He asked "L etat
c'est Moe (All the worlds a stooge)" she sighed. " I'll have to send that
post again" he repeated. "Merci rien (thanks for nothing)" she responded
"Visa La France( Don't leave your chateau without out it)" The shadow
advised "The shortest distance between two jokes is a straight line" She
replied without amusement. "You have a blot upon your soul" He accused
darkly "Pardonez moist( forgiven by baptism)" she explained drenchingly "I
haven't caught a fish all day" he complained without debate. "That's the
last time I pet a lion" she answered offhandedly. Jan. 30, 2002
DOLF BOEK RESPONDED PREVIOUSLY:
Dear Animosity,
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#TAXONOMY
1. MENTALISM (Gender - CHAD)
2. CORRESPONDENCE (Cause & Effect)
3. VIBRATION (Rhythm)
4. POLARITY (Polarity)
5. RHYTHM (Vibration) <-- BEGINNING OF ART
6. CAUSE & EFFECT (Correspondence)
7. GENDER (Mentalism - CHAD)
The Pope's recent plea for Catholic lawyers to boycott divorce cases
as 'Fascist' with no rational basis in law--She should stand down from your
position as Equal Opportunity Commissioner.
Perhaps as history records of Mary Whiteside and as Adolph Hitler suggests,
there is a continuing connection between the Christian Church's fraudulent
claim to a monotheitic faith {Amen-Ra or Aten Worship} as hymenealism and
the hatred of Torah observant Jews and Homosexuals: "Protestantism will
always stand up for the advancement of all Germanism as such, as long as
matters of inner purity or national depending ('Nationale Vertiefung') as
well as German freedom are involved, since all these things have a firm
foundation in its own being; but it combats with the greatest hostility any
attempt to rescue the nation from the embrace of its most mortal enemy,
since its attitude towards the Jews just happens to be more or less
dogmatically established. Yet here we are facing the question without whose
solution all other attempts as a German reawakening or resurrection are and
remain absolutely senseless and impossible." [Adolf Hitler, Mien Kampf, ©
1943 Houghton Mifflin & Co, p 103]
Although commenting specifically on the American Fundamentalist phenomena
Cindy Ford
Your evangelical and hymeneal mystical trash which you peddle as
Christianity, fails to meet the requirements of a Seventh-day Adventist. We
have publically questioned, considered your responses, judged their merit
and excommunicated you according to Scripture and the measure of the Holy
Spirit granted us.
I reply:
This is such a joke.
You might want to ask Ted if he goes along with your word's and actions
here.
Next you'll be calling me a heretic.
Catholics are excommunicated. This means that they are cut off from access
to God, because they do not have access to the sacriments. Jesus is
commanded to resacrifice himself in the eucharist, and they must literally
drink his blood and eat his body to be forgiven sins. Priests can not give
communion to anyone who is excommunicated, thus they deny the person
salvation.
Maybe this goes along with your beliefs, but not mine.
Adventists call it being disfellowshiped. You lose your membership. You are
taken off the church books. You still have access to God however. We know
that man does not control salvation, or the forgiveness of sins.
Also I don't know who the "We" you are talking about is, I am assuming it is
just you and Ted? You need the testimony of three.
What are you "excommunicating" me for? What are these mystical beliefs that
are in conflict with the fundamentals of Adventism? You must be specific.
You can not just be vague or judgemental.
What are you excommunicating me from? The newsgroup? LOL
Adventists don't handle it this way.
Here is a condensed version of the procedure:
1. If there is a problem with a church member. For example: they are openly
and continually sinning, OR Disrupting the status quo, You go and talk to
them, if this doesn't resolve the problem..
2. You go back with two others. If that doesn't work...
3. You take it to the church board, and they have a meeting. If they do it
how they are supposed to, you are allowed to speak up for yourself, however
since the late 80's there are cases where this has not happened. (I know, I
was one of them.) Then they vote. If they vote against you, you lose your
membership.
Dolf Boek
along with your word's and actions here. Next you'll be calling me a
heretic."
If you have no Scriptural basis to your evangelical and hymeneal mystical as
a fraudulent claim to Christianity, then equally you have no biblical basis
for your reduction of religious rights made on the basis of 'gender and
sexuality' identity. And much less justification of your attempts at
calculated and contrived opposition and disassembly of foundational
Seventh-day belief without the desire to enter into meaningful dialog
Is it not also written: "The sluggard is wiser in his own eyes than seven
men giving reasoned argument. He who wrangles and enters into contention
over a case which is not his takes hold of the ears of a dog. Like the one
who lowers himself to shoot sharp arrows of death, so is the man who
deceives his neighbour and says, "I was indeed joking.'
As when there is no wood the fire is extinguished, so when there is no
incitement contention ceases." [Š 1991 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic
Targum of Proverbs 26:16-20]
--
- dolf
Does not all Religious naivety begin with 'I do'?
But fortunately the transcendence of time permeates (engenders) all nature.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/meta/time.html#BEGIN
"So-houto speak-laleo ye, and so-houto do-poieo, as they that shall be
judged-krino by the Law-nomos of Liberty-eleutheria' [James 2:12] as the
"first-arche principles-stoicheion of the oracles-logion of God-theos."
[Hebrews 5:12]
This message doesn't constitute authorisation or acceptance by its author,
of the use of their email address for the purposes of unsolicited email
known as 'SPAM'.
"Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> wrote in message
news:3c58e...@news.teranews.com...
Dolf said:
DOLF BOEK PREVIOUSLY WROTE:
"Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> wrote in message
news:3c58c...@news.teranews.com...
You are not the Newsgroup policeman who determines who can post here. FACT.
You are not the Judge no matter how you try to justify your behavior. God
gave that right to Jesus, and no one else. FACT. My beliefs are between Me
and MY God, and no one else, and are really no ones business unless I choose
to share them. Nor should the church I am affiliated with be a subject of
debate. I go there, I am welcome there and it is no one elses business. I am
not required to answer to anyone but God. FACT. So take your monkey court
and your buddy Ted and go play judge and jury somewhere else.
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
The Scriptures says 'Test-PROTON {first} all things-DOKIMAZO {prove}'. As
member of an American originating, minority Christian religious group, I
feel we can justifiably question the validity and reject your claim to a
Christian religious experience which appears at odds with Seventh-day
Adventism as an eschatological Christian rationalistic and revivalistic
movement that is ever concerned with Revelation and Reason--"Commandments of
God and the Testimony of Jesus."
Your evangelical and hymeneal mystical trash which you peddle as
Christianity, fails to meet the requirements of a Seventh-day Adventist. We
have publically questioned, considered your responses, judged their merit
and excommunicated you according to Scripture and the measure of the Holy
Spirit granted us.
The founding illuminato of the Seventh-day Adventist Church was similarly
Cindy Ford
> Cindy Ford said, "This is such a joke. You might want to ask Ted if he
goes
> along with your word's and actions here. Next you'll be calling me a
> heretic."
>
> If you have no Scriptural basis to your evangelical and hymeneal mystical
as
> a fraudulent claim to Christianity, then equally you have no biblical
basis
> for your reduction of religious rights made on the basis of 'gender and
> sexuality' identity. And much less justification of your attempts at
> calculated and contrived opposition and disassembly of foundational
> Seventh-day belief without the desire to enter into meaningful dialog
Meaningful dialogue is for those who engage in subjects that are meaningful.
Read the recent threads:" Can I date an Adventist" "Letter", and "the
sabbath",for examples of scriptural basis for what I believe in.
"It is also written do not cast pearls before swine,lest they turn and rend
you". matt 7:6 and "by their fruits ye shall know them" matt 7:20, and "have
no fellowship with unfruitful works of darkness, rather reprove them" Eph
5:11
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God
heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
I will pray for you.
Cindy
>
> Is it not also written: "The sluggard is wiser in his own eyes than seven
> men giving reasoned argument. He who wrangles and enters into contention
> over a case which is not his takes hold of the ears of a dog. Like the
one
> who lowers himself to shoot sharp arrows of death, so is the man who
> deceives his neighbour and says, "I was indeed joking.'
>
> As when there is no wood the fire is extinguished, so when there is no
> incitement contention ceases." [© 1991 The Order of Saint Benedict,
Ted McMillan
> "Ted McMillan" wrote:
> >
> > Would to God that those strange people like you around me
> > teaching me how Christ is in control would post much less!
> >
>
> And why do you not want Christ to be in control?
Because a despot, who twists everything and tries to take minds off of
what is being said has concluded so. If Christ was in control,
according to the despot, he would not be posting here to people he has
publicly judged as insane and all.
> You may
> choose either Him or Satan.
Why have you chosen Satan then and now come posting to me about
accepting Christ?
> Consider these words of EGW:
Can you start off first and be the example by example and not by
despot claims? Be my guest and show me by example. First of, you are
judging here. Where did you get your training to be so unscrupulous?
> "Satan or Christ in Control.--When the mind is not under the direct influence of the Spirit of God, Satan can mold it as he
> chooses. All the rational powers which he controls he will carnalize. He is directly opposed to God in his tastes, views,
> preferences, likes and dislikes, choice of things and pursuits; there is no relish for what God loves or approves but a delight in
> those things which He despises. . . .
You guys are in trouble then! You can do things that criminals can't
even. Have you ever been to the yahoo clubs? There are people there
using false logins and posting the most insulting and arrogant stuff.
Then check under the "Seventh-day Adventist" club. A short time ago
came the most amazing stuff from those who are also preaching the
Vatican love you are. Why they have the same thoughts as you the
general public cannot imagine? We would think that the most
self-proclaiming loving people in the world cannot commit crimes, but
you all do.
They are also accusing me of being unloving. Cindy Ford just taught
me not to judge like how you have. I doubt she will notice what you
have done here.
> If Christ is abiding in the heart, He will be in all our thoughts. Our deepest thoughts will be of Him, His love, His purity. He
> will fill all the chambers of the mind. Our affections will center about Jesus. All our hopes and expectations will be associated
> with Him. To live the life we now live by faith in the Son of God, looking forward to and loving His appearing, will be the soul's
> highest joy. He will be the crown of our rejoicing." 1MCP 238
You should be busy getting Christ then, for you have too much work to
accomplish to be training someone who respects human life.
>
> Ted, since there is none better than Jesus. Then choose Him. Surrender to Him.
When I get there, I will help you to reach animal status. After that,
you will have to get to criminal status, and then human status and
then Christian status. You need to get busy working on that so you
don't fail in your way looking up at me.
> > > I am sorry Ted, for these things in your life which have
> > > brought you to the condition you are in now.
You mean how I love human life even though they are not Adventists?
> Please be
> > > it known to you that there is a God in heaven who loves
> > > you. There is an all powerful Savior who is able to make
> > > something beautiful of your life and to give you a place
> > > with Him through all future ages in His kingdom of glory.
But I already respect human life, but you don't. It is odd being
trained these things by a judgmental Vatican terrorist. Can you
elaborate? Cindy just preached to me against judging.
> > You really ought to try and at least then capture something on earth
> > instead!
> >
>
> This world is not for us, Ted. Choose Jesus, choose life..
> and not "capture something on earth instead"
I was talking about you. Doesn't Christ give some intelligence around
here? How can you advertise Christ if you are demonstrating that you
have no intelligence?
> " Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world.
> If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
Do I love the world? Who has judged this? I don't even want to
control anybody. I am not even into finding out about anybody's
logins. Can you elaborate on your judgmental judgments?
> For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust
> of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is
> of the world.
You've got alot of work to do! It is awesome!!
> And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that
> doeth the will of God abideth for ever." 1John2:15-17
>
>
> > > It was unclear on other posts whether you claimed to be
> > > a Christian.
> >
> > Looks like someone is judging, eh?
> >
>
> No, not judging, Ted. But giving you opportunity to clarify
> whether you claim to be a Christian. Do you acknowledge
> Him to be your Savior? Has He made any difference in your
> life? Do you love Him? Do you know Him?
It is clear that you do not serve Christ by your actions. Since my
situation is "unclear" and I know it is clear you do not, what is your
issue? You say you do not judge me. I say I have Christ. What then
is your problem? Do you respect my claims?
Please leave Rome now and you will be saved! You will understand your
true unscrupulous condition and will not suffer the judgments of
Christ.
> "Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him
> will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
>
> But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also
> deny before my Father which is in heaven." Mt 10:32-33
>
>
> > > Now, while the door of mercy is still open,
> > > while probationary hours are fast fleeting into eternity, is
> > > the opportunity for you (and all of us) to respond to the
> > > powerful drawing of Jesus Christ .. to humble ourselves
> > > before Him in repentance for our sins and to surrender
> > > our lives to Him daily.
> >
> > Not so fast, buddy.
You are unscrupulous and I am not impressed that you are training me
how to descend to your depths.
> But not too slow either, for Jesus is waiting, and the door of
> mercy will soon close. Then He will don the garments of
> vengeance as He returns in flaming fire.
Then you are in more trouble, for you know your time is very short.
Is it a fact that you need a psychiatrist or something? You have no
sense at all!
> May His peace and presence fill your heart as you
> surrender to Him now is my prayer for you.
>
> Andrew
May you sever all direct ties with Rome and your terrorist training.
May you understand the prophecies and leave immediately. No
unscrupulous thing will enter heaven. No one who loves or makes a lie
will be there. No abominable thing will hope to enter. Most normal
human beings will not be good enough to get there, so you people are
in alot of trouble.
Waste no more time posting unscrupulous diatribe to me. Sever your
connection with Rome and seek help as fast as you can to reach the
different strata:
Animal, criminal, human, and then Christian. That is my prayer for
you judgmental and unscrupulous people.
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!
Angelo Braz
wrote:
>Cindy Ford said, "This is such a joke. You might want to ask Ted if he goes
>along with your word's and actions here. Next you'll be calling me a
>heretic."
>
>If you have no Scriptural basis to your evangelical and hymeneal mystical as
>a fraudulent claim to Christianity, then equally you have no biblical basis
>for your reduction of religious rights made on the basis of 'gender and
>sexuality' identity. And much less justification of your attempts at
>calculated and contrived opposition and disassembly of foundational
>Seventh-day belief without the desire to enter into meaningful dialog
>
>Is it not also written: "The sluggard is wiser in his own eyes than seven
>men giving reasoned argument. He who wrangles and enters into contention
>over a case which is not his takes hold of the ears of a dog. Like the one
>who lowers himself to shoot sharp arrows of death, so is the man who
>deceives his neighbour and says, "I was indeed joking.'
>
>As when there is no wood the fire is extinguished, so when there is no
>incitement contention ceases." [Š 1991 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic
>Targum of Proverbs 26:16-20]
Hi, Dolf, how are you? :)
Angelo
Ted McMillan
Meaningful dialogue was offered a very unscrupulous person. She said
she is not required to dialogue, but then demanded that I answer her
questions. My questions were too plain to miss, that's why the first
tactic was to ignore them and insert false questions I didn't ask so
that you can answer them. The second tactic was to throw your hands
in the air and say that you give up before the false remark about how
much you love the exclusive person only whom you have attacked. Next
is to answer the question halfway and confess that you don't "live the
bible" according to Terrorist Seeber's standards after already telling
us that you have given up. Next came avoiding the question by giving
me questions of your own and demanding answers. You then said that
the case was closed without, of course, consulting me who brought the
case. You would not comment further on the question of why then are
you and Vatican Angelo so snuggly with a man whose words has even
condemned you all because of your presumed claims to be Adventists.
From commonsense, we get to understand that anyone who can do all
these things has been trained in far more than Christ, and clearly
cannot afford to have worthwhile dialogue!
Dolf Boek
Meaningful dialogue is for those who engage in subjects that are meaningful.
Read the recent threads:" Can I date an Adventist" "Letter", and "the
also written do not cast pearls before swine,lest they turn and rend you".
matt 7:6 and "by their fruits ye shall know them" matt 7:20, and "have no
fellowship with unfruitful works of darkness, rather reprove them" Eph
5:11 1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not
of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of
error.
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
Your claims to a spiritual experience has been demonstrated by you to be
entirely superficial and inadequate--A LIE!. How does your Christianity
distinguish itself from the hymenealism which is promulgated by the Korean
cult of Sun Moon?
If you have no Scriptural basis to your evangelical and hymeneal mysticism
as a fraudulent claim to Christianity, then equally you have no biblical
basis for your reduction of religious rights made on the basis of 'gender
and sexuality' identity. And much less justification of your attempts at
calculated and contrived opposition and disassembly of foundational
Seventh-day belief without the desire to enter into meaningful dialog
Is it not also written: "The sluggard is wiser in his own eyes than seven
men giving reasoned argument. He who wrangles and enters into contention
over a case which is not his takes hold of the ears of a dog. Like the one
who lowers himself to shoot sharp arrows of death, so is the man who
deceives his neighbour and says, "I was indeed joking.'
As when there is no wood the fire is extinguished, so when there is no
incitement contention ceases." [Š 1991 The Order of Saint Benedict, Aramaic
Ted McMillan
>
> > You say that you love and you love me. How can I believe this? What
> > did you do with my claims? How come you could not dare answer my
> > simple question below?
>
> Ted, the reason no one has answered you point by point is that you are
> putting too much info at one time.
So, another despot speaks for all? Why didn't Vatican Cindy tell me
this? The question was indeed hard for her, but I don't believe the
reason for that was that she was not intelligent enough. Cindy was
intelligent enough to provide questions I was supposed to have asked
and answered them in her own way, as usual. Cindy then avoided the
question and provided some questions back to me to avoid it.
> Personally I usually refute arguments
> multipoint per point. It would take me a week to go through every posting
> you put up here and refute your claims.
I suggest you give up the Vatican Christ. Then you all would be
intelligent enough to answer questions that will prove you all work
for Rome.
> Additionally, seeing your attitude
> you display towards people who do answer you, that really doesn't give many
> people the incentive to post something that answers you.
I can't help it if another Jesuit accuses me of that just because I
disagree with him. Vatican Cindy should have spoken for herself in
saying that the questions were too hard for her intelligence. Why
didn't she say that? Was it because with the gift of salvation by
despot babbling, Christ literally takes away intelligence?
> Please check your grammar. It really is hard to follow.
>
> Larry Thibodeaux
> http://www.catholic-truth.org
I am smart enough to understand your grammar for centuries. No please
to correct it were heard until power was wrested from you and peace
reigned since except for your constant interference.
Lamarr Edwards
you will never be able to show him the path to the right one.
On the other hand, ted m. is so consumed with serving his master, the
god of this world, the evil one himself, he can never see what would
save his soul.
Your pearls are trampled by the swine, casting them forth is a wasted
exercise.
Nevertheless, your concern for the lost is a most marvelous
manifestation of God himself, and I would never critisize you for your
effort!LE
Lamarr Edwards
proclaimed "new christ", the internet voice of satan himself, "ted
seeber".
This manifistation will say anything to divert you from what should be
the focus of your faith.
Cindy Ford
You didn't happen to notice that according to Dolf, I am now
"excommunicated" by the both of you?, and have been told to leave the NG.
The issue was not just meaningful dialogue, it also seems that my religious
rights have been reduced due to my gender and sexual identity. And that I am
guilty of hymeneal mysticism, with no proof whatsoever. He has included you
in this decision to judge me thusly.
What do you think about this?
I do not consider this to be meaningful discussion, do you?
Nor do I consider the accusation of me being a vatican infiltrater anything
but ridiculous, however it is apparently important to you. So I am making it
important to me as well. Please note I am not denying the fact that these
people exist, I am denying that I am one.
SO,
You have stated that "Meaningful dialogue was offered "
Fine. I know that your word is good. IF you start a thread with this
dialogue in mind. I will answer anything you ask without evasion. Provided
you stay on that thread to talk about the subject. You already know how I
feel about many threads on the same subject. It is also confusing to "your"
readers, having to jump all over to find replies or answers. It is also what
made you think I hadn't answered your question, although I already had, you
just didn't see it.
What do you say? The only thing I ask besides the one thread request, is
that you not name it something I would find offensive.
This whole process is tearing up the NG and preventing other meaningful
discussions. Can we be civilized about this?
Your choice.
Cindy
"Ted McMillan" <tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com> wrote in message
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Dolf Boek
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DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
Lamarr,
As a professional lawyer and a Seventh-day Adventist, your reproductive
capacity neither establishes your claim to a spiritual sense of humanity,
nor distinguishes you from any other animal.
If you have no Scriptural basis to your evangelical and hymeneal mysticism
as a fraudulent claim to Christianity, then equally you have no biblical
basis for your reduction of religious rights made on the basis of 'gender
and sexuality' identity. And much less justification of your attempts at
calculated and contrived opposition and disassembly my human right to hold a
'belief, thought and conscience' which, although remaining consistent with
foundational Seventh-day Adventist belief and despite Institutional claims
to supporting United Nations human rights conventions, I subject to coercion
and vilification by the organisation's membership.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church have previously claimed some responsibility
for establishing our Religious Rights as Section 116 of the Constitution,
but now with the advent of the Sabbatical 6,000 years as 'telos' 122J 3W 1D
= 'arch' 0J 0W 0D + c², the Seventh-day Adventist Church no longer wants to
abide by our Constitution and seemingly has abandoned Reason upon which the
Sabbath is established as the First Law.
Dolf Boek
address the evangelical ambiguity relating to 'gender & sexuality' v's
"advent of the Sabbatical 6,000 years as 'telos' 122J 3W 1D = 'arch' 0J 0W
indistinguishable from Fascism.
A claim to a Christian lifestyle which fails to transcend the superficiality
of the mundane and a claim to superior Christian worship reduced to a matter
of sensual appetites as traditions of men placed upon the Sabbath day.
As Christians we have a duty to object to your vain hymeneal mysticism as
fraudulent claim to Christianity.
--
- dolf
Does not all Religious naivety begin with 'I do'?
But fortunately the transcendence of time permeates (engenders) all nature.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/meta/time.html#BEGIN
"So-houto speak-laleo ye, and so-houto do-poieo, as they that shall be
judged-krino by the Law-nomos of Liberty-eleutheria' [James 2:12] as the
"first-arche principles-stoicheion of the oracles-logion of God-theos."
[Hebrews 5:12]
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"Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> wrote in message
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Dolf Boek
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DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
Lamarr,
As a professional lawyer and a Seventh-day Adventist, your reproductive
capacity neither establishes your claim to a spiritual sense of humanity,
nor distinguishes you from any other animal.
If you have no Scriptural basis to your evangelical and hymeneal mysticism
as a fraudulent claim to Christianity, then equally you have no biblical
basis for your reduction of religious rights made on the basis of 'gender
and sexuality' identity. And much less justification of your attempts at
calculated and contrived opposition and disassembly my human right to hold a
'belief, thought and conscience' which, although remaining consistent with
foundational Seventh-day Adventist belief and despite Institutional claims
to supporting United Nations human rights conventions, I am subject to
coercion and vilification by the organisation's membership.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church have previously claimed some responsibility
for establishing our Religious Rights as Section 116 of the Constitution,
but now with the advent of the Sabbatical 6,000 years as 'telos' 122J 3W 1D
= 'arch' 0J 0W 0D + c², the Seventh-day Adventist Church no longer wants to
abide by our Constitution and seemingly has abandoned Reason upon which the
Sabbath is established as the First Law.
--
Dolf Boek
against these peoples, before a Court of competant jurisdiction. We have
grown tired of them claiming to be unable to address the issues, but at the
same time they expend energy and resources in political actions designed to
extinguish whatever of our rights remain.
THEY'RE FASCISTS WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION.
--
- dolf
Does not all Religious naivety begin with 'I do'?
But fortunately the transcendence of time permeates (engenders) all nature.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/meta/time.html#BEGIN
"So-houto speak-laleo ye, and so-houto do-poieo, as they that shall be
judged-krino by the Law-nomos of Liberty-eleutheria' [James 2:12] as the
"first-arche principles-stoicheion of the oracles-logion of God-theos."
[Hebrews 5:12]
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Larry Thibodeaux
>> Ted, the reason no one has answered you point by point is that you
>> are putting too much info at one time.
>
> So, another despot speaks for all? Why didn't Vatican Cindy tell me
> this? The question was indeed hard for her, but I don't believe the
> reason for that was that she was not intelligent enough. Cindy was
> intelligent enough to provide questions I was supposed to have asked
> and answered them in her own way, as usual. Cindy then avoided the
> question and provided some questions back to me to avoid it.
I don't speak for all. I am just giving you my personal opinion. I don't
think Cindy is stupid, she just didn't give you the answers you wanted to
hear I suppose. *shrugs*
>> Personally I usually refute arguments
>> multipoint per point. It would take me a week to go through every
>> posting you put up here and refute your claims.
>
> I suggest you give up the Vatican Christ. Then you all would be
> intelligent enough to answer questions that will prove you all work
> for Rome.
What exactly is the "vatican Christ"? This sentence doesn't make much
sense. I would be intelligent enough to answer questions that will prove
that I work for Rome? I don't understand what that is supposed to mean.
*shrugs*
>> Additionally, seeing your attitude
>> you display towards people who do answer you, that really doesn't
>> give many people the incentive to post something that answers you.
>
> I can't help it if another Jesuit accuses me of that just because I
> disagree with him. Vatican Cindy should have spoken for herself in
> saying that the questions were too hard for her intelligence. Why
> didn't she say that? Was it because with the gift of salvation by
> despot babbling, Christ literally takes away intelligence?
Jesuits are a priest order. I am not a priest. There are many other
priestly orders. For example: The Passionists. I don't even know Cindy. I
don't know why she said anything she did. *shrugs* I don't see how
someone could "take away intelligence".
>> Please check your grammar. It really is hard to follow.
>>
>
> I am smart enough to understand your grammar for centuries. No please
> to correct it were heard until power was wrested from you and peace
> reigned since except for your constant interference.
This statement makes no sense.
________________
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http://www.catholic-truth
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Truth by a Catholic layman
israel r t
>The issue was not just meaningful dialogue, it also seems that my religious
>rights have been reduced due to my gender and sexual identity. And that I am
>guilty of hymeneal mysticism, with no proof whatsoever.
Perhaps we could accuse him of scrotal mysticism...:-)
---------------------------------------------------------------
"The Torah ...was given to him [in the form of]
white fire inscribed upon black fire -
fire mixed with fire,
hewn out of fire and
given from fire."
Gershom Scholem quoting an aggadah
attributed to the Palestinian Merkavah
mystics of the early third century
Andrew
"Ted McMillan" wrote:
> "Andrew"wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > > It was unclear on other posts whether you claimed to be
> > > > a Christian.
> > >
> > > Looks like someone is judging, eh?
> > >
> > No, not judging, Ted. But giving you opportunity to clarify
> > whether you claim to be a Christian. Do you acknowledge
> > Him to be your Savior? Has He made any difference in your
> > life? Do you love Him? Do you know Him?
>
> It is clear that you do not serve Christ by your actions. Since my
> situation is "unclear" and I know it is clear you do not, what is your
> issue? You say you do not judge me. I say I have Christ.
But what does He mean to you. personally?? How did you 'find Him' ?
Do you have a testimony about your relationship with Him? If not ..
then THAT is where to begin. And if so, then why ashamed to share it?
He loves you, and is still waiting for you to surrender to Him. Then He
will mold you for a vessel to His glory to the praise of Jesus Christ.
Many today say, "I have Christ" but are not daily surrendered to Him.
"Savior" yes, but "Lord" no. They will be surprised when He says to
them on the final day ....
"I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
"There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham,
and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you
yourselves thrust out." Luke 13:27-28
> Please leave Rome now and you will be saved!
The Scriptures says that God has saints in Rome, and that He loves them.
"To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you
and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 1:7
After you surrender to Jesus, then He will change your heart so you will
love them too. If He could change Saul to become Paul, then surely He
can also change you -- to love, pray for, and yes even apologize to those
whom you have previously insulted over these forums. This would be a
mighty testimony to the glory of Jesus Christ.
Tom A.
Cindy Ford wrote:
>
> Ted,
>
> You didn't happen to notice that according to Dolf, I am now
> "excommunicated" by the both of you?, and have been told to leave the NG.
>
> The issue was not just meaningful dialogue, it also seems that my religious
> rights have been reduced due to my gender and sexual identity. And that I am
> guilty of hymeneal mysticism, with no proof whatsoever. He has included you
> in this decision to judge me thusly.
Cindy! Stop being a hymeneal mystic this minute, or you'll be sent to
your room!
> I do not consider this to be meaningful discussion, do you?
>
> Nor do I consider the accusation of me being a vatican infiltrater anything
> but ridiculous, however it is apparently important to you.
And stop infiltrating the vatican, or you'll get no desert!
Cindy,
Eventually you just have to shake your head at these people; brush the
dust off your sandals, and let them alone.
You've been more than fair with them, and still they pummel you with
their accusations, refusing, as you say, meaningful dialog. In the end,
I think the best thing to do is pray for them. "He was great once, but
his cure is beyond me" - Frodo (Return of the King); God's light may get
through, but no one else's words are.
> This whole process is tearing up the NG and preventing other meaningful
> discussions. Can we be civilized about this?
This happens a lot on the Catholic groups. This is Usenet "A more
wretched hive of scum and villainy you'll not find." - Star Wars :-)
But good luck with your attempt.
> Your choice.
>
> Cindy
In His Faith, Hope, and Love,
--
Tom A.
"No doubt many that post deserve to be flamed. And many that are flamed
didn't deserve it. Can you give them the latter? Then don't be so
quick to deal out the former!" - not Gandalf.
Deja mail is gone. Look for me at raugost at yahoo . com
Lamarr Edwards
and worked 25 years in law enforcement.
I am not and SDA, though I was for many years.
A question- If a church feels that homosexuality, or beastiality, or
adultry, or eating licorice, or dancing, or playing golf or using
playing cards, or picking your nose are sinful behaviors, and you
continue to eat licorice, why should the law compel them, against their
collective will, to associate with a dreaded licorice eater?
Can't you grasp that they have the right to practice their religion, as
they choose, not as you choose? LE
Ted McMillan
> "Ted McMillan" wrote:
>
> > "Andrew"wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > > It was unclear on other posts whether you claimed to be
> > > > > a Christian.
> > > >
> > > > Looks like someone is judging, eh?
> > > >
> > > No, not judging, Ted. But giving you opportunity to clarify
> > > whether you claim to be a Christian. Do you acknowledge
> > > Him to be your Savior? Has He made any difference in your
> > > life? Do you love Him? Do you know Him?
> >
> > It is clear that you do not serve Christ by your actions. Since my
> > situation is "unclear" and I know it is clear you do not, what is your
> > issue? You say you do not judge me. I say I have Christ.
>
> But what does He mean to you. personally?? How did you 'find Him' ?
> Do you have a testimony about your relationship with Him? If not ..
> then THAT is where to begin. And if so, then why ashamed to share it?
Well actually I had a regard for human life even before my experience
with Christ. So I don't attribute my sensitivity to Seeber's highly
insensitive remarks over the death of thousands of Christians
something that is attributable to my relationship with Christ
directly. The fact that you guys aren't sensitive to that indicates
you work for the antichrist.
But I grew up on a farm, and from time to time, my grandfather had to
butcher chickens and goats for food. We didn't like it, much less
human beings. That is why I am praying for Vatican Seeber, Ford, Braz
and yourself who have shown so much interest in those who respect
human life and pray that all such would be transformed to your like
image.
With Christ's help, it is fat change for that!
> He loves you, and is still waiting for you to surrender to Him. Then He
> will mold you for a vessel to His glory to the praise of Jesus Christ.
Yeah but I can't follow you to the Antichrist. I wish you would
transform and seek Christ, for Christ Himself declared that no
abominable thing will enter into heaven. Please get together with Ted
Seeber, Cindy Ford, Angelo Braz and the rest and see if you can
convince them to change their positions once you have done the same.
Remember, even human beings are not good enough for heaven. Flesh and
blood will not inherit it. There is MUCH work for you all to do.
> Many today say, "I have Christ" but are not daily surrendered to Him.
> "Savior" yes, but "Lord" no. They will be surprised when He says to
> them on the final day ....
That's why I am praying hard for the worst super criminals on the face
of the planet. I am hoping that the power of Christ will overcome all
that training you guys went into to kill your consciences. Please
think things over and hopefully you will find Christ through the
logical steps up to human standards first.
> "I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
This is talking especially about the members of the antichrist who
have hurt God's people. That's why there is so much attention on me
today and right now.
> "There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham,
> and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you
> yourselves thrust out." Luke 13:27-28
>
> > Please leave Rome now and you will be saved!
>
> The Scriptures says that God has saints in Rome, and that He loves them.
The scriptures say that God has saints in Adventism and he loves them.
If you can't see it, that shouldn't upset the whole world, but you
are determined that it does. Please accept Christ so that you can be
healed. The scriptures talk against the Antichrist. Please come out
of his service as we pray for you.
> "To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you
> and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 1:7
But I am talking about the Antichrist. Not those who literally live
in Rome. Accept Christ and He will also give you intelligence and
take away the despot desire for you to dominate the thinking of others
and claim they don't have Christ just because they disagree with you.
> After you surrender to Jesus, then He will change your heart so you will
> love them too. If He could change Saul to become Paul, then surely He
> can also change you -- to love, pray for, and yes even apologize to those
> whom you have previously insulted over these forums. This would be a
> mighty testimony to the glory of Jesus Christ.
You missed too much. That's why I tell you to please sever all
connection with the Vatican. I suffered much from other Romanists
because I had compassion on thousands of Christians who were slain.
Seeber was glad that they died, but I wasn't and nobody else cared
about them. Even you are here to address my problem through your
Vatican bigotry and deceit and have not noticed your fellow super
terrorist.
So please accept Christ and He will not only give you compassion and
conscience, He will give you some form of intelligence and take away
your terrible desire to make everyone else as lacking in intelligence
as you are.
> May His peace and presence fill your heart as you
> surrender to Him now is my prayer for you.
>
> Andrew
My human logic first give you the status of a human being. If Christ
meets you in the meantime to make you go all the higher, my prayers
will be answered.
Tell your John Paul hi for me.
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!!
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com
Ted McMillan
> Cindy Ford wrote:
> >
> > Ted,
> >
> > You didn't happen to notice that according to Dolf, I am now
> > "excommunicated" by the both of you?, and have been told to leave the NG.
> >
> > The issue was not just meaningful dialogue, it also seems that my religious
> > rights have been reduced due to my gender and sexual identity. And that I am
> > guilty of hymeneal mysticism, with no proof whatsoever. He has included you
> > in this decision to judge me thusly.
>
> Cindy! Stop being a hymeneal mystic this minute, or you'll be sent to
> your room!
>
> > I do not consider this to be meaningful discussion, do you?
> >
> > Nor do I consider the accusation of me being a vatican infiltrater anything
> > but ridiculous, however it is apparently important to you.
>
> And stop infiltrating the vatican, or you'll get no desert!
>
>
> Cindy,
>
> Eventually you just have to shake your head at these people; brush the
> dust off your sandals, and let them alone.
> You've been more than fair with them, and still they pummel you with
> their accusations, refusing, as you say, meaningful dialog.
And Cindy also has a strong disrespect of human life as does Tom A.
Yes, Cindy is more than fair with me according to Vatican standards
and as many graves throughout the centuries witness. The same power
that killed them maintains that she was fair with them.
> In the end,
> I think the best thing to do is pray for them. "He was great once, but
> his cure is beyond me" - Frodo (Return of the King); God's light may get
> through, but no one else's words are.
Isn't is strange that the same advice here given by Vatican Tom Cindy
also preaches but never keeps. Why must they constantly post to me or
around me all the time in the midst of them saying they are not to do
this but to brush the dust off their papal feet?
> > This whole process is tearing up the NG and preventing other meaningful
> > discussions. Can we be civilized about this?
Yes, Cindy has been preaching the same thing, but how can she stop
posting her concerns about me that is taking much time off the Gospel
she claims has saved her by the motion of her lips as evidence?
> This happens a lot on the Catholic groups. This is Usenet "A more
> wretched hive of scum and villainy you'll not find." - Star Wars :-)
Alot of murdered Christians believe so also, but they actually favor
me and not Cindy and the rest of you guys who don't "live the bible"
according to Seeber's standards. OR DO YOU?!!
> But good luck with your attempt.
>
> > Your choice.
> >
> > Cindy
>
> In His Faith, Hope, and Love,
And the faith and hope of those murdered will be fulfilled at the
expense of you guys who are their murderers.
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!!
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com
Ted McMillan
> "Lamarr Edwards" <shmo...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:6570-3C5...@storefull-294.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Cindy - The dolfster is so consumed with trying to serve two masters, you
> will never be able to show him the path to the right one. On the other
> hand, ted m. is so consumed with serving his master, the god of this world,
> the evil one himself, he can never see what would save his soul. Your
> pearls are trampled by the swine, casting them forth is a wasted exercise.
> Nevertheless, your concern for the lost is a most marvelous manifestation of
> God himself, and I would never critisize you for your effort!LE
Is that why you can ignore him O unscrupulous one? Is that why he is,
according to you, an "ass" and he goes to bed with Susan Williams? Is
that why he can force you to call him names after you guys gain
seizures because of the crime of name-calling? Is that why he can
force you to be judgmental after you go under seizure for your claims
that people are judging others?
My! What would happen if I didn't properly give you Jesuits credit
for your unbelievable talents all throughout history!
Angelo Braz
>>
>> But what does He mean to you. personally?? How did you 'find Him' ?
>> Do you have a testimony about your relationship with Him? If not ..
>> then THAT is where to begin. And if so, then why ashamed to share it?
>
>Well actually I had a regard for human life even before my experience
>with Christ. So I don't attribute my sensitivity to Seeber's highly
>insensitive remarks over the death of thousands of Christians
>something that is attributable to my relationship with Christ
>directly. The fact that you guys aren't sensitive to that indicates
>you work for the antichrist.
>
>But I grew up on a farm, and from time to time, my grandfather had to
>butcher chickens and goats for food. We didn't like it, much less
>human beings. That is why I am praying for Vatican Seeber, Ford, Braz
>and yourself who have shown so much interest in those who respect
>human life and pray that all such would be transformed to your like
>image.
>
You know what? I also respect human life, and just like you say, even
seeing an animal dying is very unpleant to me. So I ask you why you
assume I don't respect human life? Probably you're going to say I've
commented your behavior when you were attacking Seeber, who've shown
disrespect for human life. Mind you that I wasn't defending Seeber, I
was commenting your procedure and actions, that although doesn't
disrespect human life as a physical body, disrespects human life, as a
human being with feelings, also showing a bad example to any other
person that could be reading your debate. You claim to be a SDA,
Seeber claims to be Catholic, so what you said cared more to me, as
you could be misrepresenting our church.
Anyway, I've already given my opinion about the killings, etc. But you
just seem to ignore them and keep including me in that your black
list.
Do whatever you want. You're just being injust with me.
Angelo
Dolf Boek
capacity neither establishes your claim to a spiritual sense of humanity,
nor distinguishes you from any other animal."
You responded saying, "Though I hold a few criminal justice degrees and
worked 25 years in law enforcement. I am not and SDA, though I was for many
years." ["Lamarr Edwards" <shmo...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7960-3C5...@storefull-298.iap.bryant.webtv.net... ]
Are you perhaps employed by the Seventh-day Adventist Church Institution on
the basis of your 'few justice degrees, having worked 25 years in law
enforcement'? I ask this because, by your own words your participation on
this forum appears invalid.
The original statement made by me concerned the requirement by you to
substantiate your participation on this forum. It seems that your
participation on this forum as a non-Seventh-day Adventist is equally
invalid as Cindy Ford and the 1/2 dozen other Catholic cultists who attempt
to manage what we can and can't believe. Your praise of her hymeneal
occultism as a fraudulent and insubstantial claim to the Christian faith
appears entirely misplaced, "Your pearls are trampled by the swine, casting
them forth is a wasted exercise. Nevertheless, your concern for the lost is
a most marvelous manifestation of God himself, and I would never critisize
you for your effort!" [Internet Personality "Lamarr Edwards"
<shmo...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6570-3C5...@storefull-294.iap.bryant.webtv.net... ]
There appears no justification in your attempts at calculated and contrived
opposition and disassembly of my human right to hold a 'belief, thought and
conscience' which, although remaining consistent with foundational
Seventh-day Adventist belief and despite Institutional claims to supporting
the United Nations human rights conventions, I am subject to coercion and
vilification by the organisation's membership.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church have previously claimed some responsibility
for establishing our Religious Rights as Section 116 of the Constitution,
but now with the advent of the Sabbatical 6,000 years as 'telos' 122J 3W 1D
= 'arch' 0J 0W 0D + c², the Seventh-day Adventist Church no longer wants to
abide by our Constitution and seemingly has abandoned Reason upon which the
Sabbath is established as the First Law.
Given such circumstances, we have every right to bring the accusation
against these peoples, before a Court of competant jurisdiction. We have
grown tired of them claiming to be unable to address the issues, but at the
same time they expend energy and resources in political actions designed to
extinguish whatever of our rights remain.
- dolf
"Lamarr Edwards" <shmo...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7960-3C5...@storefull-298.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
Ted McMillan
> >>
> >> But what does He mean to you. personally?? How did you 'find Him' ?
> >> Do you have a testimony about your relationship with Him? If not ..
> >> then THAT is where to begin. And if so, then why ashamed to share it?
> >
> >Well actually I had a regard for human life even before my experience
> >with Christ. So I don't attribute my sensitivity to Seeber's highly
> >insensitive remarks over the death of thousands of Christians
> >something that is attributable to my relationship with Christ
> >directly. The fact that you guys aren't sensitive to that indicates
> >you work for the antichrist.
> >
> >But I grew up on a farm, and from time to time, my grandfather had to
> >butcher chickens and goats for food. We didn't like it, much less
> >human beings. That is why I am praying for Vatican Seeber, Ford, Braz
> >and yourself who have shown so much interest in those who respect
> >human life and pray that all such would be transformed to your like
> >image.
> >
>
>
> You know what? I also respect human life, and just like you say, even
> seeing an animal dying is very unpleant to me.
You know what? I am a very loving person. I at least do have respect
to those who were murdered. It was shown by my actions and not
cancelled out by my words.
> So I ask you why you
> assume I don't respect human life?
Why would you assume that you have to answer me when you have promised
not to? Are you another one of those Jesuit guys who have found
Christ who gave you all these powers even human beings don't have?
Human life was in my discussions when someone gloried that many have
been killed in the most horrible ways. I couldn't stand to know that
such monsters still exist and are reincarnated. I reproved the person
and then was attacked for being mean. All the reprovers of Osama Bin
Laden go free lest they hang the attackers and recognize they are as
evil as Osama.
I talk about the dead alot. There are certain others who not only
don't, but who spoke against them telling me I am unloving and mean
because I have conscience.
You all keep forgetting your Vatican promises to put me on your block
lists. You have no shame when the worth of your words are exposed.
> Probably you're going to say I've
> commented your behavior when you were attacking Seeber, who've shown
> disrespect for human life. Mind you that I wasn't defending Seeber, I
> was commenting your procedure and actions, that although doesn't
> disrespect human life as a physical body, disrespects human life, as a
> human being with feelings, also showing a bad example to any other
> person that could be reading your debate. You claim to be a SDA,
> Seeber claims to be Catholic, so what you said cared more to me, as
> you could be misrepresenting our church.
All of this is BOULDERLASH. I don't care if someone was cursing
Seeber out. I first calm him down and ask him why he did that. When
I find out that Seeber said what he said, I would not even dream of
saying another word to the one who cursed till I show my supreme
contempt for the monster. In any case, the wise will try to figure
out the whole thing. The Jesuits, knowing that a fellow monster is
about to be exposed, will focus on the one who PROTESTS atrocities and
who were historically given the name PROTESTANTS.
> Anyway, I've already given my opinion about the killings, etc. But you
> just seem to ignore them and keep including me in that your black
> list.
Anyway, I've already given my opinion about whether or not I am
unloving, accusative, etc. But you just seem to ignore them and keep
including me in your black list of criminals worse than a man who even
tells us that Adventists deserve to die. He told us that the
Protestants were persecuted and killed because they didn't live the
bible according to his standards. Adventists therefore don't live the
bible according to Catholic Seeber's standards, that's why he hates
me. For some strange reason, although Cindy Ford and Angelo Braz
claim to be Adventists, Seeber loves them and gets along well with
them. Seeber hates Ellen White also, so she also must be mean,
unloving, accusative and doesn't provide proof for anything. She must
hate accusing also.
> Do whatever you want. You're just being injust with me.
>
> Angelo
Thousands of Christians who have died don't think so. You keep
accusing me of being unloving even though you falsely claim to hate
accusations. You are just being unjust with me.
Further proof is the usual Jesuit broken promise to ignore me.
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!
Dolf Boek
an animal dying is very unpleant to me. So I ask you why you assume I don't
respect human life? Probably you're going to say I've commented your
behavior when you were attacking Seeber, who've shown disrespect for human
life. Mind you that I wasn't defending Seeber, I was commenting your
procedure and actions, that although doesn't disrespect human life as a
physical body, disrespects human life, as a human being with feelings, also
showing a bad example to any other person that could be reading your debate.
You claim to be a SDA, Seeber claims to be Catholic, so what you said cared
more to me, as you could be misrepresenting our church. Anyway, I've
already given my opinion about the killings, etc. But you just seem to
ignore them and keep including me in that your black
list. Do whatever you want. You're just being injust with me.
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
Dear Animosity,
If you respect life so much, why is it that your claim to an elevated
spiritual experience which you call Christian religion, is made at the
expense another's humanity?
Your reproductive capacity neither establishes your claim to a spiritual
sense of humanity, nor distinguishes you from any other animal. It is
difficult to conceive that an awareness of the appauling plight and
depravation of women in being continually denied human rights as religious
equality, can in reality exist within an Institution such as the Catholic
Church. Particularly so when the only means to elevate and nurture the role
of women within its society, is through the elevation of the subjugated
female element sometime after their death.
Why don't you stick manifestly to the task at hand, namely the lack of
fidelity and compliance given by you to the Rational principles of 'Reason &
Revelation' as your claim to Evangelical Christianity. Before we talk some
more about your hymeneal mysticism as a fraudulent claim to Christianity, we
need to clarify the taxonomy which you are deploying as it appears your
claim to Christianity no longer conforms to Reason or Revelation and may
simply, like the Pope's claim to 'Vicar of Christ', be discarded as the
delusions of a Sychophant.
ENGLISH LANGUAGE TAXONOMY AS CHAD
If language be it's concord,
Then myth is but disease,
With poetry as its sword.
Gossip the mass to appease.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#TAXONOMY
The English language is by Nature onomantick in character {21 constants & 5
vowels mapped to the Pythagorean/Platonic Solids; ônum = 800,000} and
therefore must obey the rules of harmony which is implied by the early
philosophers concerning observations made of the cosmological
Elements-Stoicheion. Henry Cornelius Agrippa (b. 1486 CE), who in setting
forth his Theological Philosophy, or Divinity, gives valuable insights into
the Nature of Philosophy, its connection to the English, Hebrew and Greek
alphabets and the source of his mystical teachings up to 1509 CE.
1. MENTALISM (Gender - CHAD)
2. CORRESPONDENCE (Cause & Effect)
3. VIBRATION (Rhythm)
4. POLARITY (Polarity)
5. RHYTHM (Vibration) <-- BEGINNING OF ART
6. CAUSE & EFFECT (Correspondence)
7. GENDER (Mentalism - CHAD)
There appears no justification in your attempts at calculated and contrived
opposition and disassembly of my human right to hold a 'belief, thought and
conscience' which, although remaining consistent with foundational
Seventh-day Adventist belief and despite Institutional claims to supporting
the United Nations human rights conventions, I am subject to coercion and
vilification by the organisation's membership.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church have previously claimed some responsibility
for establishing our Religious Rights as Section 116 of the Constitution,
but now with the advent of the Sabbatical 6,000 years as 'telos' 122J 3W 1D
= 'arch' 0J 0W 0D + c², the Seventh-day Adventist Church no longer wants to
abide by our Constitution and seemingly has abandoned Reason upon which the
Sabbath is established as the First Law.
Given such circumstances, we have every right to bring the accusation
against these peoples, before a Court of competant jurisdiction. We have
grown tired of them claiming to be unable to address the issues, but at the
same time they expend energy and resources in political actions designed to
extinguish whatever of our rights remain.
Joseph Meehan
...
>
> You know what? I am a very loving person. I at least do have respect
> to those who were murdered. It was shown by my actions and not
> cancelled out by my words.
>
>
>
> Ted McMillan
Do you have equal respect for the Catholic Irish who died due to the
actions of a "Christian" king? How about the non-Christians who have been
killed by non-Catholics over the past 40 years, most often for economic
reasons. How do you feel about the Catholic martyrs killed in the first
century?
I fear your illness has blinded you. Try very hard to accept that you
may need help. What is there to fear. If I am wrong, the doctor will tell
you so, my guess is right, you have a whole new life ahead of you.
--
Dia 's Muire duit
Joseph E. Meehan
Ted McMillan
> > Joseph,
> >
> > Why is it that every time I run into you in a thread you are saying the
> same
> > thing?
>
> people feel the need to distinguish between the two) it is nothing
to be
> > embarrassed by. Without treatment these things can get much worse.
<snip>
Vatican Meehan:
> Maybe I should. Is the reason you think so based on messages I have
> written to just Ted? Do you believe that there is no indication that Ted
> should seek a professional evaluation? Do you blelieve it is not good to
> encourage those who need help to seek it?
How can Ted be convinced he is sick when an unscrupulous person
ignores his questions because he can't possibly answer them, and fills
in where the answers should be with insults that he needs professonal
medical help, and yet the sane person cannot afford to ignore his
posts? The sane person is so unscrupulous, he doesn't even have any
shame to know that it is an established saying, "Never argue with a
fool: people might not know the difference." All Ted McMillan needs
is some proof that Rome still goes by the principle, "The End
Justifies the Means." Often you even, just to provide a one-liner
answer, even said that no one can understand Ted's posts while you
constantly replied to them and even submitted questions regarding his
posts.
> How about others, especially those who have seen my messages to others,
> do you believe I have a problem that should be addressed? I would be
> interesting in hearing from those on tnn.religion.catholic to see how they
> feel.
You must be converted from being a Ustashi killer first and Cindy Ford
also needs that conversion. No one is talking about the dead bodies
other than Ted McMillan whom you all have name-called as mean while
telling everyone the heavens are falling because you are justly
exposed as Jesuits and other infiltrating Catholics.
> You may well be seeing non-representative set of my messages since
> unless you visit tnn.religion.catholic often you are only seeing responses
> to the crossposed messages from Ted.
If cross-posting was a crime, they would even have the insane assylums
de-teaching people how to use the internet. Just so long as the
messages are true--and they are. I prove what I say by demonstration,
and you Vatican people have no shame in demonstrating who you are.
> > Please take my words in the spirit they are meant in.
>
> No problem. I am aware that the one needing help seldom is aware of
> their own problem. I am also aware that Ted in another enviroment outside
> his religious views may be able to fit into society normally.
Tell me then where and when will even murderous Ted Seeber fit when he
gloated how people were exterminated because they didn't live the
bible. Then see where you all will fit since this horridness didn't
mean much to you. You all even pretend that you don't hear what I am
saying. I am sure you heard, for you have even posted about it in
comment, but didn't answer my probing questions.
When will Ted Seeber and your murderous collaborers and ancestors fit
into society normally?
Ted McMillan has given a solution. He told you that you are to answer
his simple questions so that he may be convinced that he is just as
insane as his ancestors who were murdered in droves by you sane
people. The solution was mentioned simply, but you pretend that you
didn't hear it.
Ted McMillan
other about the topic of this thread. It concerns alot of dead
bodies.
I want to hear about those people who were killed. I don't want to
hear any condemnations against those who reproved people who are as
murderous as yourselves. We have enough mean people on this system
claiming to know Christ than be victimized into believing the only one
concerned about those who have died is insane or mean!
That's why people are concerned about the returning Dark Ages and
Inquisition.
Ted McMillan
out to be insane:
"Joseph Meehan" <slig...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<_5068.13558$PE.51...@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>...
> > I believe there is a difference between trying to help, and in being
> > obnoxious. For example, I offered my opinion to you, you are free to
> follow
> > my advice or not, if you choose not to, I will not follow you around and
> > keep repeating myself. What good would that do, other than to make you
> > appear paranoid if you object.
> > >
>
> Maybe a little personal history may help. Some 35 years ago one of my
> employees was a lovely young woman. However she had an attendence problem.
> After a while I noticed that after some of these missed days she would come
> into work with bruises. It did not take long to put two and two together to
> figure out that her husband was abusing her.
>
> This was in the days before enlightmended management tools so I was on
> my own. She confirmed the problem. While I could not force her to leave
> him at least until he obtained help, I did make the suggestion. She never
> took that advice and the situation got worse, until she no longer showed up
> for work at all.
>
> Today I know better. I know that this situation is not just the man's
> problem, but the woman often needs professional help to overcome her
> problems before she can accept that it is not her fault.
>
> I often reflect how, if I had known more then, and had tried to help her
> get the professional help she needed, maybe she would have suffered much
> less. I don't know how it all ended up and that has always bothered me.
>
> I guess I may push a little extra hard when I see someone who may need
> help yet they don't see it themselves. Maybe that experience has prepared
> me to help another. If I have helped just one, I would feel better.
The problem is that fellow super-terrorist Ted Seeber told us
gleefully that Rome put to death millions of Christians because,
according to him, they did not "live the bible" according to his
standards. Logically, if Joe Meehan is a Ustashi and Nazi, he would
have no problem with this total mental deficiency.
So, much of the time when I dialogue and bring evidence that Meehan
obviously cannot answer, he keeps trailing my posts telling the world
that I'm insane. For some strange reason he cannot ignore insane
people, according to him, but he does ignore all insane people except
me. I asked him why he must always post to me, and he tells me he
needs to do this to protect his impeccable church.
Why doesn't Seeber need mental help? That is a question ages to be
answered when people like Meehan and Seeber had control over the
world!
Why then would Meehan show concern to always post to someone he claims
is insane and needs professonal help? The documentation from Foxe's
Book of Martyrs, Jack Chick and all the other Protestant writings tell
us that the armies of the Papacy are unscrupulous. They are trained
to have no conscience or even shame, and their chief code is the "Ends
Justifies the Means."
Ted McMillan
> Ted,
>
> You didn't happen to notice that according to Dolf, I am now
> "excommunicated" by the both of you?, and have been told to leave the NG.
If you believed everything you hear, then you would have known that I
was not unloving since all evidence proves I am the only one grieving
that many were put to death in the worst ways. This did not mean much
to any of you contrary to your claims. It can never enter your
subject matter for the obvious reasons.
> The issue was not just meaningful dialogue, it also seems that my religious
> rights have been reduced due to my gender and sexual identity. And that I am
> guilty of hymeneal mysticism, with no proof whatsoever. He has included you
> in this decision to judge me thusly.
>
> What do you think about this?
I simply think you are being a Jesuit. You are ignoring the thread
and diverting the topic. You are following through with every other
method you have used to dodge the simple question of Ted Seeber
glorying that millions of Christians were put to death in the worst
way because, according to him, they did not "live the bible." You all
claim to be Adventists, and therefore, by your words, you are not
living the bible according to Seeber. You all are therefore marked
for death, but you snuggle up to him and condemn me in your fierce
crusade against name-calling.
So, I didn't ask you about anything else and don't appreciate your
Vatican training in constantly deflecting from the questions and even
from the thread. What is it about the simple questions that irks you
so? Meehan is calling me insane all the time, for what better way can
he demonstrate his training also? How can you both answer my
questions? You want Rome to die?
> I do not consider this to be meaningful discussion, do you?
>
> Nor do I consider the accusation of me being a vatican infiltrater anything
> but ridiculous, however it is apparently important to you. So I am making it
> important to me as well. Please note I am not denying the fact that these
> people exist, I am denying that I am one.
If you are not, why do you use every Vatican tactic to dodge the
questions I am giving, and tell us you prove you are not by claiming
that you are not? I claim I am loving. You defacate all over me.
What is the problem since I will always know you are a Vatican
infiltrator based upon what you do? Don't let it bother you! Just
answer the easy questions so that everyone may know that you are not!
Honest Christians will not have a problem answering honestly.
> SO,
> You have stated that "Meaningful dialogue was offered "
>
> Fine. I know that your word is good. IF you start a thread with this
> dialogue in mind. I will answer anything you ask without evasion. Provided
> you stay on that thread to talk about the subject. You already know how I
> feel about many threads on the same subject. It is also confusing to "your"
> readers, having to jump all over to find replies or answers. It is also what
> made you think I hadn't answered your question, although I already had, you
> just didn't see it.
I am not the one diverting from topics and dodging questions. I was
not trained to do that. Even these questions demonstrate someone else
was trained to do that. She snuggles up to murderous terrorist Seeber
knowing that he has the same mind as the horrible inquisitors of
history and even condemns you for being Adventist.
>
> What do you say? The only thing I ask besides the one thread request, is
> that you not name it something I would find offensive.
Well let me see! Can I reply by giving you the same respect you have
given all my requests? I think your question is answered here!
> This whole process is tearing up the NG and preventing other meaningful
> discussions. Can we be civilized about this?
>
> Your choice.
>
> Cindy
How is it my choice? Everyone can see I am only requesting some
simple answers. The threads are being diverted by you and by your
friends butting in, but it is primarily done by you; for once people
like you receive Christ, even simple questions and requests cannot
penetrate your minds: you are too busy telling me how insane I am to
even remember your Vatican crusade against name-calling!
Cindy Ford
> What is it about the simple questions that irks you
so?
That I would have to be judgemental in order to answer it the way you ask
it.
If you had asked me about dead bodies I would have answered, if you had
asked me what I felt about the inquisition, and how that fits in with the
present and the future I would have answered... Now I have said I will not
speak to you about this further unless you keep the subject to one thread,
but you don't really want answers that badly do you?
> >
> > What do you say? The only thing I ask besides the one thread request, is
> > that you not name it something I would find offensive.
>
> Well let me see! Can I reply by giving you the same respect you have
> given all my requests? I think your question is answered here!
I guess so.
> >
> > Your choice.
> >
> > Cindy
Dolf Boek
That I would have to be judgemental in order to answer it the way you ask
it.
[snipped for context]
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
Cindy,
There is nothing wrong with judging between what is truth and what is not,
and having done so, calling sin [alt: shin] by its right name.
Cindy Ford
> "Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> wrote in message
> news:3c5b9...@news.teranews.com...
> That I would have to be judgemental in order to answer it the way you ask
> it.
>
>
> [snipped for context]
>
> DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
> Cindy,
>
> There is nothing wrong with judging between what is truth and what is not,
> and having done so, calling sin [alt: shin] by its right name.
>
> --
You are right Dolf. That is true. I do not have a problem with doing so.
"All scripture is given by God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instuction in righteousness" and "be not conformed to
this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may
prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."
But it is far different to reprove, or rebuke someone using scripture to
point out the difference between truth and error, or to prove what is the
perfect will of God; then it is to deliberately set out to accuse or judge
another.
You quoted from Proverbs 26 in a earlier post, verse 22 goes on to say that
the words of a talebearer are as wounds.
I do not want to wound anyone, even those I disagree with, or believe to be
wrong.
Cindy
Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he
disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing
accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Dolf Boek
You are right Dolf. That is true. I do not have a problem with doing so.
"All scripture is given by God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instuction in righteousness" and "be not conformed to
this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may
prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." But it
is far different to reprove, or rebuke someone using scripture to point out
the difference between truth and error, or to prove what is the perfect will
of God; then it is to deliberately set out to accuse or judge another.
You quoted from Proverbs 26 in a earlier post, verse 22 goes on to say that
the words of a talebearer are as wounds. I do not want to wound anyone, even
those I disagree with, or believe to be wrong.
Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he
disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing
accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
Is it not also written concerning our God whom you do not worship, "I did
not speak in secret in a place of a land of darkness; I did not say to the
seed of the house of Jacob, 'Seek my fear for nothing.' I the LORD speak
truth, declaring what is right. Assemble yourselves and come, draw near
together, you who are delivered of the peoples! They have no knowledge who
carry about their wooden image, and beseech from a god who cannot save.
Declare and draw near; take counsel together! Who announced this long ago
and declared it of old? Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no other god
besides me, a God who is virtuous and a Saviour; there is none except me.
Turn to my Memra {Word} and be saved, all those at the ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other. By my Memra I have sworn, before me
has gone forth in virtue a word that shall not be void: 'Before me every
knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.'
Only in the Memra of the LORD has he promised me to bring virtues, and he is
strong in his Memra; all the Gentiles who were stirred up against his people
shall give thanks and be ashamed of their idols. In the Memra of the LORD
all the seed of Israel shall be justified and glorified." [© 1990 The Order
of Saint Benedict, Aramaic Targum of Isaiah 45:19-25]
In this 7th or Sabbath Millenium (apogee of telos 6,000 years as 122J 3W
1D), I can't understand why it is that you are so eager to dismiss or reduce
the importance of those Scriptures which identify Yahweh as the Creator and
the requirement upon us to show our Everlasting Covenant participation with
God, by observing, according the to Commandment, the Sabbath as the 7th day
and as God's determined judgment against the Jubilee2000 idolatry and the
hymeneal mysticism of the Jesuits.
You do know that we have on this Sabbath day measured the uprightness of
your Soul towards God--It has been found wanting and shall receive
nothing--His Spirit is withdrawn from you.
Whatever hope you have for eternity is gone: "Blessed-makarios and
holy-hagios is he that hath-echo part-meros in the first-protos
resurrection-anastasis: {a standing up again, that is, (literally) a
resurrection from death (individual, general or by implication (its
author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):-raised
to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising
again} on-epi such-touton the second-deuteros death-thanatos hath-echo no-ou
power-exousia, {(in the sense of ability); privilege, that is,
(subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively)
mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control),
delegated influence:-authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right,
strength} but they shall be priests-hiereus of God-theos and of
Christ-Christos, and shall reign-basileuo with him a thousand-chilioi
years-etos."
"Plato and many other renowned philosophers declared that no man can
possibly be a true philosopher without a correct knowledge of the
significance of numbers. Simple numbers are always said to signify Divine
things; numbers of tens things celestial, numbers of hundreds things
terrestrial, while predictions of things to come are expressed in
thousands." [W.J. Coleville, ISBN 1-56459-495-5, The Kabbalistic Use &
Significances of Numbers, p 89]
The English language is by Nature onomantick in character {21 constants & 5
vowels mapped to the Pythagorean/Platonic Solids; ônum = 800,000} and
therefore must obey the rules of harmony which is implied by the early
philosophers concerning observations made of the cosmological
Elements-Stoicheion. Henry Cornelius Agrippa (b. 1486 CE), who in setting
forth his Theological Philosophy, or Divinity, gives valuable insights into
the Nature of Philosophy, its connection to the English, Hebrew and Greek
alphabets and the source of his mystical teachings up to 1509 CE.
1. MENTALISM (Gender - CHAD)
2. CORRESPONDENCE (Cause & Effect)
3. VIBRATION (Rhythm)
4. POLARITY (Polarity)
5. RHYTHM (Vibration) <-- BEGINNING OF ART
6. CAUSE & EFFECT (Correspondence)
7. GENDER (Mentalism - CHAD)
ENGLISH LANGUAGE TAXONOMY AS CHAD
If language be it's concord,
Then myth is but disease,
With poetry as its sword.
Gossip the mass to appease.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#TAXONOMY
With a 7 x 4 matrix placed according to the following:
ROW 1
{A-1, E-5, I-9, O-60, U-300, -/900, +/1000}
ROW 2
{B-2, C-3, D-4, F-6, G-7, H-8, J-10}
ROW 3
{K-20, L-30, M-40, N-50, P-70, Q-80, R-90}
ROW 4
{S-100, T-200, V-400, W-500, X-600, Y-700, Z-800}
"And when-hotan the thousand-chilioi years-etos are expired-teleo [telos as
6,000 years 122J 3W 1D = arch 0J 0W 0D = c²], Satan-Satanas [the accuser,
that is, the devil] shall be loosed-luo {to "loosen" (literally or
figuratively):-break (up), destroy, dissolve, (un-) loose, melt, put off}
out of his prison-phulake {a guarding or (concretely guard), the act, the
parson; figuratively the place, the condition, or (specifically) the time
(as a division of day or night), literally or figuratively:-cage, hold,
(im-) prison (-ment), ward, watch},
And shall go-exerchomai {to issue (literally or figuratively):-come-(forth,
out), depart (out of), escape, get out, go (abroad, away, forth, out,
thence), proceed (forth), spread abroad} out to deceive-planao the
nations-ethnos which-ho are in the four-tessares quarters-gonia {an
angle:-corner, quarter} of the earth-ge, Gog {roof; covering; Antichrist; cf
Hymenealism of Midianites {judgment; covering; habit} and Balaam {the
ancient of the people; the destruction of the people}} and Magog {covering;
roof; dissolving}, to gather-sunago them together-sunago to battle-polemos:
the number-arithmos {to reckon up; calculate; number} of whom-hos is as the
sand-ammos of the sea-thalassa." [Revelation 20:6-8]
If we are to consider that the space/time continuum model of 6,000 years as
'telos' 122J 3W 1D = 'arch' 0J 0W 0D + c² serves as the basis of the
number/language model which I have mapped to the events surrounding New York
of 11 September 2001, the traditional Hebrew metaphysical model is conveyed
by a 7 x 4 matrix as follows:
ROW 1 = 8 - Cheth (CH, KH, HH, H - Single, 8)
{Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday}
ROW 2
1 - Aleph (A - Mother; 1)
2 - Beth (B, BH, BY - Double, 2)
3 - Gimel (G, GH - Double, 3)
4 - Daleth (D, DH - Double, 4)
5 - He (H - Single, 5)
6 - Waw (V, W - Single, 6)
7 - Zayin (Z - Single, 7)
ROW 3
9 - Teth (T - Single, 9)
10 - Yod (Y, I, J - Single, 10)
11 - Kaf (C, CH, K, KH - Double, 20)
12 - Lamed (L - Single, 30)
13 - Mem (M - Mother, 40, 600)
14 - Nun (N - Single, 50, 700)
15 - Samek (S - Single, 60)
ROW 4
16 - Ayin (O, GHH - Single, 70)
17 - Pe (P, PH - Double, 80, 800)
18 - Tsade (TS, TZ - Single, 90, 900)
19 - Kof (P, PH - Single, 100, 500)
20 - Resh (R - Double, 200)
21 - Sin (S - Mother, 300)
22 - Tau (T - Double, 400)
But who can forget that most famous interpolation upon the Canon of
Scripture by the 1611 CE English Bible: "For there are three that bear
record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three
are one." [1 John 5:7 (KJV)]
By 'Our Father-pater which-ho art in heaven-ouranos, {NATURE CONTAINS
NATURE/SABBATH}' there needs to be a distinction drawn between the pagan
{Amen-Ra/Aten worship} astrological conception of Numbers-Heteros {Other}
established on planetary daimons {sun/moon only 5 planets}. And the Torah's
Sabbath {Base-7 as wed-sat 28 year cycle} chronological conception held by
King David's Sanctuary Service to Yahweh and referenced in the Book of Time
as Weeks and Jubilees [circa 150 BCE].
"After-houto this-houto manner-houto therefore-oun pray-proseuchomaiye:
Our Father-pater which-ho art in heaven-ouranos, {NATURE CONTAINS
NATURE/SABBATH}
Hallowed-hagiazo be thy name-onoma. {NATURE REJOICES IN ITS NATURE/HONOR
PARENTS}
Thy kingdom-basileia come-erchomai. {NATURE SURMOUNTS NATURE/INTELLECT NOT
MURDER}
Thy will-thelema be done-ginomai in earth-ge, as it is in heaven-ouranos.
{NATURE CAN ONLY BE AMENDED IN ITS OWN NATURE/PUBLIC PRAYER & SPIRITUAL
FIDELITY}
Give-didomi us this day-semeron our daily-epiousios bread-artos. {TORAH'S
WISDOM & PIETY AS NATURE LOST/THEFT}
And forgive-aphiemi us our debts-opheilema, as we forgive-aphiemi our
debtors-opheiletes. {FORMA CORPORIS OR BODY OF NATURE/FALSE WITNESS}
And lead-eisphero us not into-eis temptation-peirasmos, but deliver-rhuomai
us from evil-poneros: {ENGENDERING NATURE/COVET}
For thine-sou is the kingdom-basileia , and the power-dunamis, and the
glory-doxa, for ever-aion. Amen-amen." {GOD'S NATURE} [Matthew 6:9-13]
--
Ted McMillan
> > What is it about the simple questions that irks you
> so?
>
> That I would have to be judgemental in order to answer it the way you ask
> it.
>
>
> If you had asked me about dead bodies I would have answered, if you had
> asked me what I felt about the inquisition, and how that fits in with the
> present and the future I would have answered... Now I have said I will not
> speak to you about this further unless you keep the subject to one thread,
> but you don't really want answers that badly do you?
So that is why when I asked the question you ignored it entirely,
inserted others I did not give you and began to answer them? There
you are making those false antichrist claims again. Didn't I tell you
I am not interested in your stupid claims? I told you I am not
unloving. You have name-called me consistently to the contrary. What
I am going to do with your despot Vatican claims?
I asked you a very simple question again the lie you just told above.
Here therefore is that question again:
-----
Murderer terrorist Seeber,
Understand that you gladly told us that Rome persecuted and murdered
not just the Albigenses, but all the Protestants because they didn't
"live the bible" according to your Ustashi standards.
Now look at Vatican infiltrator Angelo Braz and Vatican Cindy Ford
claiming to be Adventists. Do they live the bible according to your
standards? Clearly they do not. Why do you birds fly together and
why don't Vatican Angelo and Vatican Cindy know or understand that
since they don't live the bible according to your standards, they are
in line to be slowly tortured to death also?
-----
Aletheia,
Study the messages and witness for yourself the lengths Vatican Cindy
has gone to avoid this plain and simple question. Where do you see
many diversions from this simple question?
For the Work Finished!
Cindy Ford
Dolf,
I would say that up until this point in your post, we agree. I have no
opinion on the rest, simply because I do not understand it.
The only thing I know and understand about numbers and math, is that
mathmatics is the purest form of language and every living creature or
thing, and every law of nature that God created is based on this language, I
believe that music itself is a pure and verbal expression of this language
as well.
One day I will have the ability to grasp all of this, learning at the feet
of God himself, but for right now. I am doing well to just understand the
basics of algebra and geometry. :-)
Cindy
> 'telos' 122J 3W 1D = 'arch' 0J 0W 0D c² serves as the basis of the
Dolf Boek
I would say that up until this point in your post, we agree. I have no
opinion on the rest, simply because I do not understand it. The only thing I
know and understand about numbers and math, is that mathmatics is the purest
form of language and every living creature or thing, and every law of nature
that God created is based on this language, I believe that music itself is a
pure and verbal expression of this language as well. One day I will have the
ability to grasp all of this, learning at the feet of God himself, but for
right now. I am doing well to just understand the basics of algebra and
geometry. :-)
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
Dear Animosity,
Because of your continued Religious misconduct on the
alt.religion.christian.adventist forum, I've taken the liberty of including
the aus.religion.christian forum. Perhaps you ought to understand that a
public witness concerning Constitutional Religious Rights abuses has
conducted on:
Pentecost Sunday - 31 May, 1998
Day of Atonement Saturday - 18 September, 1999
Pentecost Sunday - 11 June, 2000 [During Jubilee2000 as the last act of
Grace by the Catholic Church]
Day of Rebuke - 11 September, 2001 -
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#AGES
The Catholic Church's hymenealism is representative of a tenuous claim to
Christianity and is their justification for the enacting of public
vilification as psychological abuses against those of whom she does not
approve and the sanctioning of such conduct where ever her cult membership
exists within society.
Indeed Archbishop Pell, then of Melbourne and now of Sydney, Australia did
not repent of his public sin, so I publicly cursed his soul as Yahweh
commanded and gave us authority to do: "No man shall take the lower or the
upper millstone in pledge, for he takes one's living in pledge. If a man is
found kidnapping any of his brethren of the children of Israel, and
mistreats him or sells him, then that kidnapper shall die; and you shall put
away the evil person from among you." [Deuteronomy 24:6-7] This is
interpreted within the Targum Neofiti 1, as: "My people, children of Israel
you shall not be persons who bind grooms and brides (through sorcery), and
you shall not take millstones as a pledge, for everyone who does so is
guilty of destroying lives [literally: he is destroyed by the guilt of
(taking) lives]. If a man is found who has stolen any of his brothers, of
the children of (Israel), and he trades him and sells him, that thief shall
be put to death; thus you shall remove evildoers from among you." [The
Aramaic Bible © 1997 The Order of St. Benedict, Inc., Targum Neofiti 1:
Deuteronomy 24:6-7]
--
- dolf
Does not all Religious naivety begin with 'I do'?
But fortunately the transcendence of time permeates (engenders) all nature.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/meta/time.html#BEGIN
"So-houto speak-laleo ye, and so-houto do-poieo, as they that shall be
judged-krino by the Law-nomos of Liberty-eleutheria' [James 2:12] as the
"first-arche principles-stoicheion of the oracles-logion of God-theos."
[Hebrews 5:12]
This message doesn't constitute authorisation or acceptance by its author,
of the use of their email address for the purposes of unsolicited email
known as 'SPAM'.
DOLF BOEK WROTE EARLIER:
"Plato and many other renowned philosophers declared that no man can
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#TAXONOMY
ROW 1
{A-1, E-5, I-9, O-60, U-300, -/900, +/1000}
'telos' 122J 3W 1D = 'arch' 0J 0W 0D + c² serves as the basis of the
--
- dolf
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/meta/time.html#BEGIN
"Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> wrote in message
Cindy Ford
My continuing misconduct being agreement with you in part, and ignorance in
other areas?
How special.
I continue to pray for you, that much at least I understand. I also
understand love, and that it is unconditional. My father taught me that. :-)
In his infinite love,
Cindy
"Dolf Boek" <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0KZ68.31463$Ni2.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> 'telos' 122J 3W 1D = 'arch' 0J 0W 0D c² serves as the basis of the
Dolf Boek
My continuing misconduct being agreement with you in part, and ignorance in
other areas? How special. I continue to pray for you, that much at least I
understand. I also understand love, and that it is unconditional. My father
taught me that. :-) In his infinite love,
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
Dear Animosity,
Those that are representative of his infinite love keep his Commandments.
Is it not also written, "Herein-'en-touto' is our love-agape made-TELEIOO
perfect-TELEIOO, {to complete, that is, (literally) accomplish, or
(figuratively) consummate (in character):-consecrate, finish, fulfil, (make)
perfect; cf en telei echein be in fulfilment or completion; The forma
corporis, or form of the body, which provides the pattern and direction of
human life and which is therefore called entelecheia in actuality rather
than as powers-dunamis {22/7 [3W 1D] ... 6,000 years [122J 3W 1D]} or
entelechy [1. a realisation or actuality as opposed to a potentiality. 2.
(in vitalist philosophy) the vital force or principle directing growth and
life [LL entelechia, from Gk, from en telei echein be in fulfilment or
completion], of the body. From enteles meaning complete, full; of victims,
perfect, unblemished; of men fully grown, finished, accomplished, entirely,
completely] [Ref: The Macquarie Dictionary, © 1981 The Macquarie Library Pty
Ltd]}
that we may have-echo boldness-parrhesia {all out spokenness, that is,
frankness, bluntness, publicity; by implication assurance:-bold
(X -ly, -ness, -ness of speech), confidence, X freely, X openly, X plainly
(-ness).} in the day-hemera of judgment-krisis: because-hoti as he is,
so-kai are we in this-touto world-kosmos.
There is no-ou fear-phobos in love-agape; but perfect-TELEIOS love-agape
casteth-ballo out fear-phobos: because-hoti fear-phobos hath-echo
torment-kolasis. He that feareth-phobeo is not made-TELEIOO perfect-TELEIOO
in love-AGAPE. We love-agapao him, because-hoti he first-protos loved-agape
us. If-ean a man say-epo, I love-agapao God-theos, and hateth-miseo his
brother-adelphos, he is a liar-pseustes {falsifier}: for he that
loveth-agapao not his brother-adelphos whom-hos he hath seen-horao, how-pos
can-dunamai he love-agapao God-Theos whom-hos he hath not seen-agapao? And
this-taute commandment-entole have-echo we from him, That he who
loveth-agapao God-Theos love-agapao his brother-adelphos also-kai." [1 John
4:17-21]
Because of your continued Religious misconduct on the
alt.religion.christian.adventist forum, I've taken the liberty of including
the aus.religion.christian forum. Perhaps you ought to understand that a
public witness as Human Rights protest concerning Constitutional Religious
Rights abuses was conducted on:
--
- dolf
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/meta/time.html#BEGIN
SUMMARY OF PREVIOUS CORRESPONDENCE AS FOLLOWS:
"Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> wrote in message
news:3c5c5...@news.teranews.com...
I would say that up until this point in your post, we agree. I have no
opinion on the rest, simply because I do not understand it. The only thing I
know and understand about numbers and math, is that mathmatics is the purest
form of language and every living creature or thing, and every law of nature
that God created is based on this language, I believe that music itself is a
pure and verbal expression of this language as well. One day I will have the
ability to grasp all of this, learning at the feet of God himself, but for
right now. I am doing well to just understand the basics of algebra and
geometry. :-)
DOLF BOEK INITIALLY RESPONDED:
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/moment.html#TAXONOMY
ROW 1
{A-1, E-5, I-9, O-60, U-300, -/900, +/1000}
'telos' 122J 3W 1D = 'arch' 0J 0W 0D + c² serves as the basis of the
"Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> wrote in message
Ted McMillan
> "Dolf Boek" <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:dwN68.30604$Ni2.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > "Cindy Ford" <synt...@iei.net> wrote in message
> > news:3c5b9...@news.teranews.com...
> > That I would have to be judgemental in order to answer it the way you ask
> > it.
> >
> >
> > [snipped for context]
> >
> > DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
> > Cindy,
> >
> > There is nothing wrong with judging between what is truth and what is not,
> > and having done so, calling sin [alt: shin] by its right name.
> >
> > --
>
> You are right Dolf. That is true. I do not have a problem with doing so.
> "All scripture is given by God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
> for correction, for instuction in righteousness" and "be not conformed to
> this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may
> prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."
>
> But it is far different to reprove, or rebuke someone using scripture to
> point out the difference between truth and error, or to prove what is the
> perfect will of God; then it is to deliberately set out to accuse or judge
> another.
Dolf, why are you wasting your time dialogueing with this one? Aren't
they incredible?? She says here she doesn't want to reprove, accuse
or judge another and people will think that she hasn't done that to
me. Is it true that she didn't accuse or judge me?
Just a simple question! It is the same thing with the names of many
other infiltrating papists on the Adventist Forums. I give them
simple questions and they are smart enough for their order to know
that they better not answer them. Years go by and simple questions
they evade and then despot and blab to try to fashion what will be
accepted on any forum.
Dolf, do you know what the question was that I asked Cindy Ford and
Angelo Braz for so long? They seem to think that you don't have
Christ. Maybe you can show the world that Christ gives people
intelligence at least. Maybe you can tell the world what I asked
them. Cindy writes further:
>
> You quoted from Proverbs 26 in a earlier post, verse 22 goes on to say that
> the words of a talebearer are as wounds.
>
> I do not want to wound anyone, even those I disagree with, or believe to be
> wrong.
>
> Cindy
If this false statement of Cindy is true, what then does she think of
"ASS." That is the name she called me in email. When I reproved her
for her unlimited unscrupulousness she replied that I bring out the
worst in Christ who teach me how to be nice, and she told the world
that as Christians she and her friends here slip all the time, but
they are not bad people (unlike me).
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com
>
>
Ted McMillan
> > What is it about the simple questions that irks you
> so?
>
> That I would have to be judgemental in order to answer it the way you ask
> it.
Am I supposed to believe that Vatican trash? Just a while ago you
remarked that I was startled with the encyclopedia evidence that
Vatican Angelo Braz was bringing against the Albigenses of the
Reformation. You were telling the world that I was backpeddling. Now
you come out with this cheap Vatican lie about why you cannot answer
the simplest of questions. You tell the one you called "ASS" that you
don't want to be judgmental, so you can't answer why you and Vatican
Angelo are snuggling up to a super-terrorist Inquisitor from the Dark
Ages. You don't even notice that for some reason on the force of
habit, Terrorist Seeber has ducked out again and won't even come into
the thread to even deny what I am saying he did!
Should I believe your Vatican lie? Why not have told us this Vatican
lie before from when I first brought the question? Your first tactic
was to ignore it and insert other questions I did not give. You then
started to answer those questions I didn't give. Next was to throw
your hands up and say you give up dialoguing with me and seeking
reconciliation, but you love me anyway. Now to this day is shown
whether it is true that you give up. You came back again to tell
everyone that you don't have to answer it. Now you come with some
despot lie excuse for why you cannot answer this question for "ASS"
and the mean unloving person you called all along to now tell us you
don't want to be judgmental!
> If you had asked me about dead bodies I would have answered, if you had
> asked me what I felt about the inquisition, and how that fits in with the
> present and the future I would have answered... Now I have said I will not
> speak to you about this further unless you keep the subject to one thread,
> but you don't really want answers that badly do you?
You will not answer me period. You are an unscrupulous worker for the
same Antichrist that Ted Seeber works for. The question is just too
simple for any Christian to answer. Any Atheist viewing this dialogue
will know you come from beneath.
> > > What do you say? The only thing I ask besides the one thread request, is
> > > that you not name it something I would find offensive.
> >
> > Well let me see! Can I reply by giving you the same respect you have
> > given all my requests? I think your question is answered here!
>
> I guess so.
>
>
> > >
> > > Your choice.
> > >
> > > Cindy
So we see that Vatican Cindy will answer questions she knows she can
answer to pull the wool over our eyes. There is the constant habit of
even asking questions to evade others. She demands I answer. I ask
her the simplest ones and she can't.
The simple question again is the following:
Since Seeber condemned millions of Christians by telling us gladly
that Rome persecuted and killed them because they didn't "live the
bible" according to his Vatican standards, how is it that Vatican
Cindy Ford and Vatican Angelo Braz have attacked me and been snuggling
up to the man when, according to their false report that they are
Adventists, that fact makes them targets for death also. Since they
are Adventists, do they live the bible according to Seeber's
standards?
Now any fool can understand why Cindy Ford cannot answer my simple
question. Anyone can then know why she trailed me telling the world
she wants reconciliation and how she loves the only man she has
constantly attacked on this system. The man she called an Ass.
The explanation again is simple:
Just after September 11th Ted Seeber, a Dark Ages Catholic, made the
statement with glee that Rome persecuted and killed THE PROTESTANTS
(all of them) because, according to him, "they didn't live the bible."
When I heard that, I reproved the super-terrorist monster. When that
happened two very unscrupulous Christ-toting infiltrating papists came
along to view the situation. Cindy Ford came and began to attack me
ONLY. She claimed the Lord showed her that I have a problem with
love, so she came to help. She did everything in her power to make me
out as mean. Then she constantly posted, "I love you Ted! I love
you!" Of course, I would not fall for that common Vatican trash. I
exposed her as another worker for the Papacy. She refused to hear
what Seeber did and she also urinated on the graves of millions of
Christians.
Then came Vatican Angelo Braz. He also came and then began to have a
quarrel with me. His problem: he claims that I accuse and condemn.
What was the solution? He began also a series of postings accusing
and condemning me. When I asked him what about the cause of the whole
situation, he, being a despot naturally told the whole group that the
reason for the whole thing cannot be discussed. After much labor he
finally about three times mustered up the courage to say, "I said he
(Seeber) was wrong. But..." and he continued his constant emotional
posting and demonstration of how not to accuse. Soon his posts
evolved to one with a header that read: "Ted McMillan: An
Incomprehensible Man With a Twisted Mind!"
From these words you need to understand the dark minds of the
Inquisitor papists and what they thought of the Protestant they were
murdering.
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
> tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) wrote in
> news:c9dac66d.02013...@posting.google.com:
>
> >> Ted, the reason no one has answered you point by point is that you
> >> are putting too much info at one time.
> >
> > So, another despot speaks for all? Why didn't Vatican Cindy tell me
> > this? The question was indeed hard for her, but I don't believe the
> > reason for that was that she was not intelligent enough. Cindy was
> > intelligent enough to provide questions I was supposed to have asked
> > and answered them in her own way, as usual. Cindy then avoided the
> > question and provided some questions back to me to avoid it.
>
> I don't speak for all. I am just giving you my personal opinion. I don't
> think Cindy is stupid, she just didn't give you the answers you wanted to
> hear I suppose. *shrugs*
You are just lying like Cindy is. When I first gave the question,
fellow Vatican Cindy completely ignored it and then placed several
other questions in her supposed answer that I didn't give her. She
then went on to answer the different questions she knew she could
answer.
> >> Personally I usually refute arguments
> >> multipoint per point. It would take me a week to go through every
> >> posting you put up here and refute your claims.
> >
> > I suggest you give up the Vatican Christ. Then you all would be
> > intelligent enough to answer questions that will prove you all work
> > for Rome.
>
> What exactly is the "vatican Christ"? This sentence doesn't make much
> sense. I would be intelligent enough to answer questions that will prove
> that I work for Rome? I don't understand what that is supposed to mean.
> *shrugs*
Go back and try to correct your first erroneous statement in defense
of Cindy Ford. It cannot be true that she can't answer the simple
question because there are too many questions. Her first tactic was
to ignore my question and to add several other questions I didn't ask
and then answer them. Try again!
> >> Additionally, seeing your attitude
> >> you display towards people who do answer you, that really doesn't
> >> give many people the incentive to post something that answers you.
That is another Vatican lie. I have no attitude toward Cindy Ford who
answers me because she never answers me. She claims she is on a
crusade of reconciliation to me knowing well I am going to refuse it
knowing she works for Rome. The next step is to continue to call me
mean. Now I am asking questions demonstrating the truth. Vatican
Cindy knows better than to answer the plain questions that demonstrate
why she urinated over the graves of millions of Christians in order to
attack me. I was to this day the only one she attacked during that
fiasco. I care not about your papal concerns about name-calling and
attitudes. Can you notice a bad attitude in a man who says gladly
that Rome persecuted and killed millions of Christians because they
didn't live the bible according to his standards? Obviously you are
another unscrupulous papist.
Show me from prophecy the Lord coming back to save His children from
name-calls after they teach all others that Christ is in control and
does not give them a spirit of fear. If I am that bad, why be married
to me and post to me also. If it is obvious that I am as mean as the
Vatican anti-accusers say, what is this dialogue you are trying to
enter into?
Christ is in contol! Now you can go you papal way.
Dolf Boek
news:c9dac66d.02020...@posting.google.com...
Dolf, why are you wasting your time dialogueing with this one? Aren't they
incredible?? She says here she doesn't want to reprove, accuse or judge
another and people will think that she hasn't done that to me. Is it true
that she didn't accuse or judge me?
Just a simple question! It is the same thing with the names of many other
infiltrating papists on the Adventist Forums. I give them simple questions
and they are smart enough for their order to know that they better not
answer them. Years go by and simple questions they evade and then despot
and blab to try to fashion what will be accepted on any forum.
Dolf, do you know what the question was that I asked Cindy Ford and Angelo
Braz for so long? They seem to think that you don't have Christ. Maybe you
can show the world that Christ gives people intelligence at least. Maybe
you can tell the world what I asked them. Cindy writes further:
If this false statement of Cindy is true, what then does she think of "ASS."
That is the name she called me in email. When I reproved her for her
unlimited unscrupulousness she replied that I bring out the worst in Christ
who teach me how to be nice, and she told the world that as Christians she
and her friends here slip all the time, but they are not bad people (unlike
me).
For the Work Finished!
DOLF BOEK RESPONDS:
Ted,
My memory recall works a little differently me than most--I only need to
watch the news at night to see whether the vMEME/MOMENT characteristics
which I have set my mind to and articulated, have manifested somewhere
during the day. Because "...he makes his sun rise on the evil-poneros and
on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust" cf.: qui solem
suum oriri facit super bonos et malos." [Vulgate Matthew 5:45] means that
God's will shall triumph each day.
"And Jesus-Iesous went-periago about-periaga all-holos Galilee-Galilaia
{that is, the heathen circle}, teaching-didasko in their
synagogues-sunagoge, and preaching-kerusso {to herald (as a public crier),
especially divine truth (the gospel)} the gospel-euaggelion of the
kingdom-basileia, and healing-therapeuo {to wait upon menially, that is,
(figuratively) to adore (God), or (specifically) to relieve (of disease)}
all-pas manner of sickness-nosos and all-pas manner of disease-malakia
among-en the people-laos.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/rudolph.html
And his fame-akoe went-aperchomai throughout-eis all-holos Syria-Suria {that
is, Tsyria or Tyre-'strength, rock, sharp'}: and they brought-prosphero unto
him all-pas sick-echo-kakos people that were taken-sunecho with
divers-poikilos diseases-nosos and torments-bananos, and those-ho which were
possessed-daimonizomai {cf: religious superstition-'deisidaimonia'; to be
exercised by a daemon:-have a (be vexed with, be possessed with) devil (-s)}
with devils-daimonizomai, and those which were lunatic-seleniazomai {to be
moon struck, that is, crazy:-be lunatic}, and those that had the
palsy-paralutikos {as if dissolved, that is, "paralytic":-that had (sick of)
the palsy}; and he healed-therapeuo them." [Matthew 4:23-24; Matthew
9:35-38]
Because the allegation and prohibition of 'malakos' is clearly placed upon
the oppressor and not the oppressed--as indeed are all the commandments--it
is simply illogical to subscribe to it a condemnation of all homosexual
behaviors In such a circumstance, it is more likely to be condemnatory of
the person using it as a judgment and therefore vindicating of the person
being so judged. It is entirely this association by Jesus with such an
oppressed multitude that earned him the reputation: "The Son of Man has come
eating and drinking, and you say, 'Look, a glutton and a wine-bibber, a
friend of tax collectors and sinners!'" [Luke 7:34] The homosexual will
therefore equally find embrace and friendship within Jesus Christ, but those
who oppress them rebuke: "And when he had called-proskaleomai {to call towar
d oneself, that is, summon, invite:-call (for, to, unto)} unto him his
twelve-dodeka disciples-mathetes {a learner, that is, pupil:-disciple}, he
gave-didomi them power-exousia {(in the sense of ability); privilege, that
is, (subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively)
mastery (concretely magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control),
delegated influence:-authority, jurisdiction, liberty, power, right,
strength} against unclean-akathartos {impure (ceremonially, morally (lewd)
or specifically (demonic)):-foul, unclean} spirits-pneuma, to cast-ekballo
them out, and to heal-therapeuo all-pas manner of sickness-nosos and all-pas
manner of disease-malakia." [Matthew 10:1]
Jesus of Nazareth's dialog with John the Baptist's disciples introduces the
concept of both a religious and socioeconomic defined class structure. Those
characterised by futility--the reed in the wind--as the under privileged of
society. They are the blind, lame, lepers, deaf, dead and the destitute, who
are categorised as the outcasts of society. They, along with the artisans
and peasants constitute the great multitude within society who barely
subsist. By contrast, the other societal classes--those who live in relative
abundance--are comprised of the ruling class as 2% of population and with
the priests [Pharisees and Sadducees] represent approximately 65% of all
land ownership. These included, the merchants, and retainers, bureaucrats
and army personnel who served the governing and priestly classes. [Crossan
'The Historical Jesus - The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant']
--
Dolf Boek
matter how definite the evidence, they will never answer to the history that
they are--Upon their lips they claim to be workers of light, lovers of God,
but in their hearts is no peace {Jerusalem = Vision of Peace}. But is it
not written, "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel
of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be
transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according
to their works." [2 Corinthians 11:14-15]
- dolf
"Ted McMillan" <tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com> wrote in message
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Ted McMillan
> "Ted McMillan" <tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com> wrote in message
> news:c9dac66d.02020...@posting.google.com...
> ...
> >
> > You know what? I am a very loving person. I at least do have respect
> > to those who were murdered. It was shown by my actions and not
> > cancelled out by my words.
> >
> ...
> >
> >
> > Ted McMillan
>
> Do you have equal respect for the Catholic Irish who died due to the
> actions of a "Christian" king? How about the non-Christians who have been
> killed by non-Catholics over the past 40 years, most often for economic
> reasons. How do you feel about the Catholic martyrs killed in the first
> century?
See answer to this other murderous despot below!
> I fear your illness has blinded you. Try very hard to accept that you
> may need help. What is there to fear. If I am wrong, the doctor will tell
> you so, my guess is right, you have a whole new life ahead of you.
Allright Vatican Meehan. I will answer you if you just go back and
answer at least one question you have also evaded as you learned to do
in Vatican 101.
Why are you giving questions to my posts when you have posted so often
that my posts cannot be understood.
Then:
Why do you expect reasonable answers from someone you have name-called
constantly is mentally ill and insane?
Ted McMillan
> news:c9dac66d.02020...@posting.google.com...
> ...
> >
> > You know what? I am a very loving person. I at least do have respect
> > to those who were murdered. It was shown by my actions and not
> > cancelled out by my words.
> >
> ...
> >
> >
> > Ted McMillan
>
> Do you have equal respect for the Catholic Irish who died due to the
> actions of a "Christian" king? How about the non-Christians who have been
> killed by non-Catholics over the past 40 years, most often for economic
> reasons. How do you feel about the Catholic martyrs killed in the first
> century?
You are not supposed to ask me questions on what I post. Remember,
you were sane enough to tell me repeatedly that my posts can't be
understood.
Did you understand that you fellow grandson of perdition told everyone
gladly that Rome persecuted and murdered millions of Christians
because they didn't live the bible according to his standards? Did
your sanity catch up with that one?
You are another unscrupulous papist, for why will you ask me questions
when you don't answer any of mine, but prove your points by
name-calling?
>
> I fear your illness has blinded you. Try very hard to accept that you
> may need help. What is there to fear. If I am wrong, the doctor will tell
> you so, my guess is right, you have a whole new life ahead of you.
I told you I am sorry! I will continue to remain just as insane as
the millions of Christians you murderers took care of.
If you were sane you would understand plain English. I refuse to be
another grandson of perdition. Would you like me to interpret this
for you in another language?
Now what about your sane super-terrorist colleague who also has a
terrible disrespect for human life? Are you going to answer the
question? or are you going to demonstrate the same Vatican 101 as does
Cindy, Angelo and the rest?
Another thing: will you kindly stop posting to an insane man Mr. Dark
Ages? Can I impress upon you some sanity and common sense?
Larry Thibodeaux
>> > So, another despot speaks for all? Why didn't Vatican Cindy tell
>> > me this? The question was indeed hard for her, but I don't believe
>> > the reason for that was that she was not intelligent enough. Cindy
>> > was intelligent enough to provide questions I was supposed to have
>> > asked and answered them in her own way, as usual. Cindy then
>> > avoided the question and provided some questions back to me to
>> > avoid it.
>>
>> I don't speak for all. I am just giving you my personal opinion. I
>> don't think Cindy is stupid, she just didn't give you the answers you
>> wanted to hear I suppose. *shrugs*
>
> You are just lying like Cindy is. When I first gave the question,
> fellow Vatican Cindy completely ignored it and then placed several
> other questions in her supposed answer that I didn't give her. She
> then went on to answer the different questions she knew she could
> answer.
Does anyone in your opinion post any truth on the newsgroups?
Do you understand anything about conversation skills? You ask questions
in order to get a point across. Instead of answering them you run and
hide behind the old "I didn't ask you that" excuse *shrugs*
>> What exactly is the "vatican Christ"? This sentence doesn't make much
>> sense. I would be intelligent enough to answer questions that will
>> prove that I work for Rome? I don't understand what that is supposed
>> to mean. *shrugs*
>
> Go back and try to correct your first erroneous statement in defense
> of Cindy Ford. It cannot be true that she can't answer the simple
> question because there are too many questions. Her first tactic was
> to ignore my question and to add several other questions I didn't ask
> and then answer them. Try again!
I am asking you a question. Geezzz...
>> >> Additionally, seeing your attitude
>> >> you display towards people who do answer you, that really doesn't
>> >> give many people the incentive to post something that answers you.
>
> That is another Vatican lie. I have no attitude toward Cindy Ford who
> answers me because she never answers me. She claims she is on a
> crusade of reconciliation to me knowing well I am going to refuse it
> knowing she works for Rome. The next step is to continue to call me
> mean. Now I am asking questions demonstrating the truth. Vatican
> Cindy knows better than to answer the plain questions that demonstrate
> why she urinated over the graves of millions of Christians in order to
> attack me. I was to this day the only one she attacked during that
> fiasco. I care not about your papal concerns about name-calling and
> attitudes. Can you notice a bad attitude in a man who says gladly
> that Rome persecuted and killed millions of Christians because they
> didn't live the bible according to his standards? Obviously you are
> another unscrupulous papist.
LOL Cindy Ford who answers me because she never answers me? What the heck
is this suppose to mean? I think you need a good class in remedial
English. Invest in a grammar checker. It helps!!!
Yea people in the dark ages did lots of bad things in the name of lots of
other things. What seems to be your reason in dwelling on times that are
long gone? *shrugs* You seem to like to revolve around a culture of
death. You killed so and so they killed so and so. What is confusing to
people is how you don't refute the fact that non-Catholics killed
Catholics in the name of the same God. I don't understand why you want
some answer that equals "the catholic church kills people and like it". I
suppose in your mind no other answer will do, but it simply isn't the
case. I am sorry that the facts don't fit your delusional opinion of the
Catholic Church, but I am not going to give you answers that simply don't
face up to reality.
> Show me from prophecy the Lord coming back to save His children from
> name-calls after they teach all others that Christ is in control and
> does not give them a spirit of fear. If I am that bad, why be married
> to me and post to me also. If it is obvious that I am as mean as the
> Vatican anti-accusers say, what is this dialogue you are trying to
> enter into?
You call people names just like they call you names. Its called label
identification. It has been happening in this country since before you
were born. What the heck are you talking about being married to you for?
Can you even follow a simple conversation?
> Christ is in contol! Now you can go you papal way.
This makes equally no sense. *shrugs*
It would take me a week for me to even figure out what the heck you are
talking about in order for me to respond. It doesn't make much sense to
me anyway, but you apparently like dwelling on it. *shrugs* So be it.
--
________________
Larry Thibodeaux
http://www.catholic-truth.org
An explanation of Catholic
Truth by a Catholic layman
Joseph Meehan
--
Dia 's Muire duit
Joseph E. Meehan
"Ted McMillan" <tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com> wrote in message
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....
>
> You are not supposed to ask me questions on what I post. ..
I can understand why you do not want to be asked questions. The real
point is do you? I do hope you can fight your way out of the fog that
appears to cloud your mind and come back to reality. I am sure there is a
fine man inside fighting to get out.
There is nothing to fear from a good professional evaluation and if
necessary treatment, and much to gain. Try to understand that few of those
in need of help see that need themselves, until after they have been helped.
It is not a sign of weakness to seek help when needed, it is a strength.
>
> Ted McMillan
Ted McMillan
> --
> Dia 's Muire duit
>
> Joseph E. Meehan
>
>
>
> "Ted McMillan" <tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com> wrote in message
> news:c9dac66d.02020...@posting.google.com...
> ....
> >
> > You are not supposed to ask me questions on what I post. ..
>
> I can understand why you do not want to be asked questions. The real
> point is do you?
I do not want to be asked questions by an unscrupulous person who said
a number of times that my posts can't be understood. Neither am I
interested in the children of the antichrist who submit strange
evidence such as accusations that I am insane.
> I do hope you can fight your way out of the fog that
> appears to cloud your mind and come back to reality. I am sure there is a
> fine man inside fighting to get out.
Well viewing to this date I am the only one that noticed a very
vicious statement made against the bodies and lives of millions of
Christians, I can only conclude your conclusions are based upon the
fact that you are a son of the Antichrist.
Even Andrew posting to me to surrender to his Satan hasn't noticed
that terrorist Seeber has a problem for glorying in the fact that
millions of people were put to death in the worst ways by your pope.
> There is nothing to fear from a good professional evaluation and if
> necessary treatment, and much to gain.
There's nothing to fear from the postings of Ted McMillan. Why not
answer his questions and see?
> Try to understand that few of those
> in need of help see that need themselves, until after they have been helped.
> It is not a sign of weakness to seek help when needed, it is a strength.
But you still don't have any natural affection. You are still a
murderer from the Antichrist. I have told you they are they first
people to notice things wrong with everybody else.
Vatican Angelo said I am an incomprehensible person. Ted Seeber
gloried that millions of people were murdered because they didn't
"live the bible" according to his and your murderous standards. Is
anything wrong with him?
Obviously not in your Vatican sane mind.
By the way, everyone can see you cannot afford to ignore my postings.
Even for the sake of making many trails to wear people out in their
search and push the messages down, you are married to me as you were
to the millions you people have murdered.
Ted McMillan
> --
> Dia 's Muire duit
>
> Joseph E. Meehan
>
>
>
> "Ted McMillan" <tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com> wrote in message
> news:c9dac66d.02020...@posting.google.com...
> ....
> >
> > You are not supposed to ask me questions on what I post. ..
>
> I can understand why you do not want to be asked questions. The real
> point is do you? I do hope you can fight your way out of the fog that
> appears to cloud your mind and come back to reality. I am sure there is a
> fine man inside fighting to get out.
I don't want to be asked questions when I am requesting answers to
easy questions from the children of the Antichrist. Other than that,
I don't mind being asked questions but rather resent the despots of
the papacy telling me about myself as if they know all fact as they
thought throughout history.
Why again am I the only one affected by Seeber's bloodthirsty gloating
that millions of Christians were put to death because they did not
agree with him in religion again?
> There is nothing to fear from a good professional evaluation and if
> necessary treatment, and much to gain. Try to understand that few of those
> in need of help see that need themselves, until after they have been helped.
> It is not a sign of weakness to seek help when needed, it is a strength.
Well what's the problem with you getting one? Go to all the
psychiatrists in the world and tell them you witnessed Seeber making
his bloodthirsty statements and McMillan being upset about it. Tell
them it didn't bother you a bit, but McMillan being upset about it
bothered you, Cindy Ford, Angelo Braz, Lamarr Edwards and the rest of
you murderers. Get statistics and see what they say. Likely most of
them will conclude that you all will look at McMillan as needing much
mental evaluation.
I'm praying for you that you will breakaway from Satan before it is
too late.
Love,
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!!
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Ted McMillan
> tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) wrote in
> news:c9dac66d.02020...@posting.google.com:
>
> >> > So, another despot speaks for all? Why didn't Vatican Cindy tell
> >> > me this? The question was indeed hard for her, but I don't believe
> >> > the reason for that was that she was not intelligent enough. Cindy
> >> > was intelligent enough to provide questions I was supposed to have
> >> > asked and answered them in her own way, as usual. Cindy then
> >> > avoided the question and provided some questions back to me to
> >> > avoid it.
> >>
> >> I don't speak for all. I am just giving you my personal opinion. I
> >> don't think Cindy is stupid, she just didn't give you the answers you
> >> wanted to hear I suppose. *shrugs*
> >
> > You are just lying like Cindy is. When I first gave the question,
> > fellow Vatican Cindy completely ignored it and then placed several
> > other questions in her supposed answer that I didn't give her. She
> > then went on to answer the different questions she knew she could
> > answer.
>
> Does anyone in your opinion post any truth on the newsgroups?
> Do you understand anything about conversation skills? You ask questions
> in order to get a point across. Instead of answering them you run and
> hide behind the old "I didn't ask you that" excuse *shrugs*
Do you understand that you are not to criticize anyone or accuse
anyone? Well yes I do understand conversation skills. It begins with
news reports of Osama Bin Laden and then news reports of people being
angry at him and condemning him. From then, people will not enter
with conversation skills condemning the people angry at him and
refusing to comment about the terrorist. That is rule number one for
conversation skills and acquiring an ID card for the human race.
Anyone who doesn't understand this should understand when someone
calls him a Jesuit.
Next rule for conversation skill is that you are not to dialogue with
a fool lest people think you are one also.
> >> What exactly is the "vatican Christ"? This sentence doesn't make much
> >> sense. I would be intelligent enough to answer questions that will
> >> prove that I work for Rome? I don't understand what that is supposed
> >> to mean. *shrugs*
> >
> > Go back and try to correct your first erroneous statement in defense
> > of Cindy Ford. It cannot be true that she can't answer the simple
> > question because there are too many questions. Her first tactic was
> > to ignore my question and to add several other questions I didn't ask
> > and then answer them. Try again!
>
> I am asking you a question. Geezzz...
The answer is right there for you. If you can figure out why I only
bother you with super terrorists posting here who have no regard for
human life, I will show you why you are upset at me and see a problem
in me only. Ultimate the problem starts in Italy.
You appear concerned that questions are not answered? and then use the
Lord's name? Go back and study these dialogues. See if someone is
complaining that questions are not answered. See if you are upset
that questions are not answered.
> >> >> Additionally, seeing your attitude
> >> >> you display towards people who do answer you, that really doesn't
> >> >> give many people the incentive to post something that answers you.
> >
> > That is another Vatican lie. I have no attitude toward Cindy Ford who
> > answers me because she never answers me. She claims she is on a
> > crusade of reconciliation to me knowing well I am going to refuse it
> > knowing she works for Rome. The next step is to continue to call me
> > mean. Now I am asking questions demonstrating the truth. Vatican
> > Cindy knows better than to answer the plain questions that demonstrate
> > why she urinated over the graves of millions of Christians in order to
> > attack me. I was to this day the only one she attacked during that
> > fiasco. I care not about your papal concerns about name-calling and
> > attitudes. Can you notice a bad attitude in a man who says gladly
> > that Rome persecuted and killed millions of Christians because they
> > didn't live the bible according to his standards? Obviously you are
> > another unscrupulous papist.
>
> LOL Cindy Ford who answers me because she never answers me? What the heck
> is this suppose to mean? I think you need a good class in remedial
> English. Invest in a grammar checker. It helps!!!
Every poster who cannot notice a super terrorist who gloats that many
Christians were put to death, but who come with blasphemous Christ on
their lips have this terrible disease of laughing out loud just
because we disagree with them. Of course you think I need a lesson in
good remedial english. What does "heck" mean O Christian?
> Yea people in the dark ages did lots of bad things in the name of lots of
> other things. What seems to be your reason in dwelling on times that are
> long gone? *shrugs*
Ted Seeber gloated that millions of Christians were put to death in
the worst ways. Did you, O sane person, notice that? What is it that
you can only detect is long gone? The Dark Ages is long gone? If you
can notice that, you would have been the first to notice something
wrong with Ted Seeber, but you have Vatican eyes. You can only see
something wrong with me therefore.
If it bothers you that people dwell on things that are long gone, it
must have really bothered you about those coming in the name of Christ
the same way you are with reports about Ellen White.
> You seem to like to revolve around a culture of
> death. You killed so and so they killed so and so. What is confusing to
> people is how you don't refute the fact that non-Catholics killed
> Catholics in the name of the same God.
I cannot refute that fact because it is fact. At the start of this
nation Catholics were put to death by Protestants. Look at Seeber and
you would be able to understand why. Not only has he gloated that so
many Protestants were put to death, he also revealed boldly that he is
against the Constitution of the United States and is working secretly
to reverse its principles just like Jack Chick and others were saying.
He boldly said this, but none of this bothers you. There are the
Ustashis. In very early American history anytime the Protestants
found people like Seeber and yourself, they put them to death knowing
what would happen if they don't. Often such people would be hanged.
Why? Study the history of the Ustashis even slowly torturing their
victims to death as they smiled and took pictures. Doing that is one
of their greatest pleasures. Next, witness people like you on the
Catholic newsgroups emotionally posting how "pictures can be faked!"
when we bring up the documentation showing what their Ustashis did.
> I don't understand why you want
> some answer that equals "the catholic church kills people and like it".
How can killers understand why we would warn about killers? How?
Explain that to me! Of course you cannot understand what we are
doing. You can only conclude that we hate Catholics. Have you
figured out yet why the Korean woman hated Japanese people?
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/Contention.htm
> I suppose in your mind no other answer will do, but it simply isn't the
> case. I am sorry that the facts don't fit your delusional opinion of the
> Catholic Church, but I am not going to give you answers that simply don't
> face up to reality.
I'm am sorry you name-call me just because I disagree with a murderous
despot. Of course I have delusions to the super criminals of history!
I don't see how you can conclude otherwise. I hate Catholics
according to you, don't I?
> > Show me from prophecy the Lord coming back to save His children from
> > name-calls after they teach all others that Christ is in control and
> > does not give them a spirit of fear. If I am that bad, why be married
> > to me and post to me also. If it is obvious that I am as mean as the
> > Vatican anti-accusers say, what is this dialogue you are trying to
> > enter into?
>
> You call people names just like they call you names. Its called label
> identification. It has been happening in this country since before you
> were born. What the heck are you talking about being married to you for?
> Can you even follow a simple conversation?
Would you mind repeating that sir? The other Vaticanites here need to
understand that the world is not coming to an end just because someone
has accurately classified them. Next, they need to know and
understand that they have fully name-called all the time. I
appreciate one of the first truths to come from you guys.
> > Christ is in contol! Now you can go you papal way.
>
> This makes equally no sense. *shrugs*
It makes no sense just because I disagree with you!
> It would take me a week for me to even figure out what the heck you are
> talking about in order for me to respond. It doesn't make much sense to
> me anyway, but you apparently like dwelling on it. *shrugs* So be it.
Can you then understand why you must no more post to me? I don't
mind, but people telling me Christ is in control so far cannot afford
to ignore me!
Lamarr Edwards
What makes you think that I, or anyone else, must be "validated" to be
here?
I don't know about Australians, but we Americans have the RIGHT of free
speech, anyone can participate in any public forum, of which this is. So
your "validity" baloney goes right out the window, even YOU, who are
what is anathema to most Seventh Day Adventists can be here.
However, Adventists have the RIGHT to deny anyone they choose from
membership in their organization, and attendance at their gatherings,
apparently THIS MEANS YOU.
You want to destroy the rights of believers, in an effort to validate
the legitimacy of homosexuality as an accepted practice in Adventism.
They have the RIGHT to declare it foul and unGodly, and the RIGHT to
avoid it, and you.
As you would have it, beliefs are irrelevant and unimportant, a spurious
and artifical equality counts for everything. Catholics must make
Protestants members of their church, the black muslims, who believe
whites are direct descendants of satan, must accept white members,
Protestants must allow Catholic priests to officiate at their services,
and say mass, even though it is abhorent to them. The Muslims must
allow those who practice voodoo in to their mosques, and the Jews must
let those who practice santirea sacrifice pigs in their synagogues.
Finally, they all must allow the depraved and perverted worshippers of
satan in, cause they are just people too, regardless of what they do.
The dolfian world of religion would have no beliefs, no standards, no
sexual right or wrong, no morality, no accountability, do what you want
to,to whomever you want, whenever you want, however you want.
What you believe in this world, and how it compares to what others
believe is less than worthless, it is criminal.
No dolfie, you cannot be a homosexual, and be an SDA, you cannot be a
war monger and be a Quaker, you cannot eat meat and be a vegetarian, you
cannot despise Catholic tradiition and be a Catholic, you cannot
practice baptism by sprinkling and be a Baptist, you can't be a
Jehovah's Witness and be paid for your ministry.
You cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear, regardless of what you
think, or the UN thinks, or anyone else thinks.
You must make choices, which you are loath to do. You cannot lose
yourself in sinful carnality, and be a saint at the same time, you
cannot be a sheep, and expect to live with lions.
You might as well begin measuring how high high is.LE
Dolf Boek
Whilst misrepresenting me you further assert, "The dolfian world of religion
would have no beliefs, no standards, no sexual right or wrong, no morality,
no accountability, do what you want to, to whomever you want, whenever you
want, however you want."
How is it your claim to an elevated spiritual experience which you call
religion, is made at the expense another's humanity? I am Christian and your
conduct towards me as vilification is baseless and anything other than
Christian.
We have established that you are not a Seventh-day Adventist, though you
once were, that you have several degrees in law enforcement, but that you
are neither employed by the Seventh-day Adventist Church nor speak on behalf
of the Seventh-day Adventist Church--We would like to utilise
alt.religion.christian.adventist so that we might have some frank exchanges
on those issues such as 'Human Sexuality' that the Church must address:
We are not your mission field. In short you have a disaffection with the
Seventh-day Adventist church which you have no intention of resolving. But
more than that, you interfere with the discourses of those who do want to
have something to do with the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
I have waited many years for answers from Seventh-day Adventists to address
a complaint of child sexual abuse, the church pastor's implication in the
suicide death of my father, their justification for 17 years of vilification
and societal exclusion of me because of a virus and the theological
questions raised on my WWW-page:
http://www.users.bigpond.com/dolfboek/meta/time.html#BEGIN
Their reproductive capacity neither establishes their claim to a spiritual
sense of humanity, nor distinguishes them any other animal--A religious and
cultural values statement as prejudiced superficiality that is entirely
invalid being an axiomatic and sensual claim to a spiritual experience.
There appears no justification in your attempts at calculated and contrived
opposition and disassembly of my human right to hold a 'belief, thought and
conscience' which, although remaining consistent with foundational
Seventh-day Adventist belief and despite Institutional claims to supporting
the United Nations human rights conventions, I am subject to coercion and
vilification by the organisation's membership.
The Seventh-day Adventist Church have previously claimed some responsibility
for establishing our Religious Rights as Section 116 of the Constitution,
but now with the advent of the Sabbatical 6,000 years as 'telos' 122J 3W 1D
= 'arch' 0J 0W 0D + c², the Seventh-day Adventist Church no longer wants to
abide by our Constitution and seemingly has abandoned Reason upon which the
Sabbath is established as the First Law.
Given such circumstances, we have every right to bring the accusation
against these peoples, before a Court of competant jurisdiction. We have
grown tired of them claiming to be unable to address the issues, but at the
same time they expend energy and resources in political actions designed to
extinguish whatever of our rights remain.
- dolf
"Lamarr Edwards" <shmo...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:10407-3C...@storefull-297.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
John McCafferty
> "Andrew" <and...@321.net> wrote in message
news:<a3368n$5i3$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>...
> > Dear Ted,
> >
> > It is most obvious from your frequent postings that
> > you are a very troubled and unhappy person.
>
> Would to God that those strange people like you around me teaching me
> how Christ is in control would post much less!
>
> > I know
> > that it is easy and natural for others to judge you not
> > knowing the severe childhood trauma you may have
> > experienced coupled with a dysfunctional home from
> > your early days until now. You must have experienced
> > great pain.
>
> What should be my response then for you, being a name-caller? should
> I say, Yo Mama??
>
> > I am sorry Ted, for these things in your life which have
> > brought you to the condition you are in now. Please be
> > it known to you that there is a God in heaven who loves
> > you. There is an all powerful Savior who is able to make
> > something beautiful of your life and to give you a place
> > with Him through all future ages in His kingdom of glory.
>
> You really ought to try and at least then capture something on earth
> instead!
>
> > It was unclear on other posts whether you claimed to be
> > a Christian.
>
> Looks like someone is judging, eh?
>
> > Now, while the door of mercy is still open,
> > while probationary hours are fast fleeting into eternity, is
> > the opportunity for you (and all of us) to respond to the
> > powerful drawing of Jesus Christ .. to humble ourselves
> > before Him in repentance for our sins and to surrender
> > our lives to Him daily.
>
> Not so fast, buddy. You first have to qualify for animal status, and
> then criminal status in Alcatraz!
>
> > Dear Ted, if you do these things and learn of Jesus Christ
> > through prayer and the study of His words and teachings,
> > then the peace of heaven will replace the anxieties which
> > plague you now. Then your influence will reveal the
> > fruits of God's spirit to the glory of Jesus Christ.
> >
> >
> > Andrew
>
>
> If I do that, will he promise to give me at least a regard for human
> life? So far I don't see that in you guys!
>
> The judgmental person who wrote this "loving" piece of deceit is post
> named "Andrew."
>
>
> For the Work Finished!
>
>
>
> Ted McMillan
> tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
> THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!
> http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com
what are you talking about?