5.1 + XP Problem
Ted
setting of the option to "Quote only selected text". Anyone else have this
problem? Anyone with a fix?
Ted-
Adam Kippes
Did you select any text for it to quote? If not, you get the entire
thing.
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Ted
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"Adam Kippes" <adam....@pobox.com> wrote in message
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James Hodson
<adam....@pobox.com> wrote:
>In <9te23k$cus$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, Ted wrote:
>
>> When replying, original message is always automatically quoted regardless of
>> setting of the option to "Quote only selected text". Anyone else have this
>> problem? Anyone with a fix?
>
>Did you select any text for it to quote? If not, you get the entire
>thing.
>
I've learnt something new today - very useful.
Thank you, Adam.
James
Ri...@aintnoway.com
Have you made a change to eliminate the excerpt bar? That 'fix' also negates the
'quote seleted text', I read here.
Rick
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Adam Kippes
> Have you made a change to eliminate the excerpt bar? That 'fix' also negates the
> 'quote seleted text', I read here.
Almost. What disabling format=flowed actually does is make a hash of
the feature; you get the text but also all of the HTML codes.
Ted
that in the Help file that comes with 5.1 paid version.
Ted-
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Adam Kippes
> Hmm... what is the "excerpt bar"? I've been unable to find anything like
> that in the Help file that comes with 5.1 paid version.
When you reply to a message do you see gray vertical bars in place of
the traditional quote markers?
Ri...@aintnoway.com
Well, we are playing horseshoes or hand grenades, right? <g>
Thanks
Rick
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program.
Ted
> the traditional quote markers?
Yes! What should I see?
Ted
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Adam Kippes
> > When you reply to a message do you see gray vertical bars in place of
> > the traditional quote markers?
Those are the excerpt bars. Or maybe HTML, but let's not worry about
that for now.
> Yes! What should I see?
Nothing. That is, the bars are fine. But if you are not using
format=flowed you will see something like a '>' in their place(s).
Ted
original message, and after reading through the Eudora.ini file (which gave
me no clues) I started changing various options avalible to the user of
Eudora (Tools\Options). Turns out that under the options for Attachments
setting the option to "Put text attachments in body of message" achieved the
desired result, permitting me to quote only selected portions of the
original message. Why switching that option on/off should have any effect
on this I cannot fathom.
Thanks for all your efforts!
Ted-
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ZB
> In <9thj9e$o5f$1...@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>, Ted wrote:
>
> > > When you reply to a message do you see gray vertical bars in place of
> > > the traditional quote markers?
>
> Those are the excerpt bars. Or maybe HTML, but let's not worry about
> that for now.
>
> > Yes! What should I see?
>
> Nothing. That is, the bars are fine. But if you are not using
> format=flowed you will see something like a '>' in their place(s).
I have been following this thread and am getting more and more confused. I
get the excerpt bars but have no format=flowed line (Eudora 5.1Paid)
I have just added a line ConvertFormatFlowed=1. This solved the problem I
have of getting all the HTML tags displayed when I have any text
selected.and hit "reply to". On the other hand this inserts the complete
text so I am not much forward.
The PDF file also refers to a line of InterpretFormat Flowed=0 or 1.
Allegedly this also turns FormatFlowed on and off.
Can anyone explain the settings I should have to have excerpt bars and to
only paste selected text in a "reply to" without all the html jumble.
Confused? I am ;-))
Z
Adam Kippes
wrote:
> I have been following this thread and am getting more and more confused.
As well you should be since Qualcomm seems determined to make this
subject as incomprehensible as possible. They're succeeding, too. <g>
> get the excerpt bars but have no format=flowed line (Eudora 5.1Paid)
The feature is enabled by default so you won't see anything to that
effect. What you do is disable it by adding some lines, then you can
re-enable it by removing the lines, and so on. Here are the lines:
AlwaysExcerptResponse=0
ConvertFormatFlowedtoExcerpt=0
InterpretFormatFlowed=0
> I have just added a line ConvertFormatFlowed=1. This solved the problem I
> have of getting all the HTML tags displayed when I have any text
> selected.and hit "reply to". On the other hand this inserts the complete
> text so I am not much forward.
I hate to tell you this but you will have to make a choice because you
can't have both; that is, either you have selective quoting (and the
gray bars) or you get rid of the gray bars (but can't do selective
quoting without the HTML tags).
In other words, proper, i.e., legible, selective quoting requires
format=flowed and the gray bars. I don't like it either, but you'll
have to make your own choice. I dumped format=flowed, as much as I
would like to have selective quoting.
> The PDF file also refers to a line of InterpretFormat Flowed=0 or 1.
> Allegedly this also turns FormatFlowed on and off.
Oh, it gets better than that (from the Help file):
ConvertFormatFlowedtoExcerpt 0,1
Turns format-flowed feature on and off.
InterpretFormatFlowed 1, 0
Turns format-flowed off and on.
The first setting from my INI file - AlwaysExcerptResponse - doesn't
even appear in my Help file anymore, if it ever did.
Notice also the seeming contradiction in that:
ConvertFormatFlowedtoExcerpt=0
ConvertFormatFlowedtoExcerpt=1
We have opposite settings that seem to do the same thing, namely
disable format=flowed. I have a feeling that the last setting,
InterpretFormatFlowed, might be overriding the others.
Anyway, it is plenty confusing. I think there might have been
something about this once in a Readme or Release notes. Perhaps
He-Who-Saves-All can check it out.
> Can anyone explain the settings I should have to have excerpt bars and to
> only paste selected text in a "reply to" without all the html jumble.
As explained above. Sorry about that.
Daniel Jacobson
>> get the excerpt bars but have no format=flowed line (Eudora 5.1Paid)
> The feature is enabled by default so you won't see anything to that
> effect. What you do is disable it by adding some lines, then you can
> re-enable it by removing the lines, and so on. Here are the lines:
> AlwaysExcerptResponse=0
> ConvertFormatFlowedtoExcerpt=0
> InterpretFormatFlowed=0
> <snip>
> Anyway, it is plenty confusing. I think there might have been
> something about this once in a Readme or Release notes. Perhaps
> He-Who-Saves-All can check it out.
From the Relnotes.txt for Eudora 4.2 dated 10-27-1999
----------------------------
CHANGES/FIXES IN VERSION 4.2
----------------------------
FORMAT=FLOWED
* If you want to disable this feature, please re-read the
explanation in Readme.txt again. If you STILL want to disable
it, you can do so by putting the following in the [Settings]
section of your Eudora.ini file:
ConvertFormatFlowedtoExcerpt=0
InterpretFormatFlowed=0
* ReplyAttribution (default is something like At time, you wrote:)
is re-added before excerpted text when you are replying and you
have AlwaysExcerptResponse=0 which would cause the > symbols to
display instead of the excerpt bars for replies to messages from
previous versions to 4.2.
--
Over and Out
Daniel Jacobson
Katrina Knight
> I have been following this thread and am getting more and more confused.
Join the club. :)
> I have just added a line ConvertFormatFlowed=1. This solved the problem I
> have of getting all the HTML tags displayed when I have any text
> selected.and hit "reply to". On the other hand this inserts the complete
> text so I am not much forward.
That's the default setting. You shouldn't have needed to add that to the
file unless you'd changed it at some point in the past. Are you sure you
didn't have ConvertFormatFlowed=0 somewhere in eudora.ini before you made
that change? If not, it could be that the ini file is corrupt and
Eudora is not reading it properly. Have you checked to make sure you're
allowing Eudora to quote selected text? (Tools | options | Replying, make
sure 'Quote only the selected text' is checked.) You can also go to
eudora.ini and see if you have a setting for ReplySelectOnlyIf. The
default is \n .!?, where \n represents a carriage return. That setting
tells Eudora to only use the selected text for quoting if it contains text
on more than one line or punctuation that marks the end of a sentence. The
idea is that if you have a single word selected, you probably highlighted
it for some other reason, like you were doing a search for that word or
something. If there's something wrong with that setting, that could be why
Eudora is not using the selected text only.
If these settings are all okay and Eudora isn't acting the way the
settings specify, you could try resetting eudora.ini - hold ctrl and shift
while selecting Tools | options. That sets just about everything except
your personality and connection info back to the defaults and cleans a lot
of junk out of the ini file if it is there.
And, as general advice anytime Eudora is acting weird, make sure your in,
out and trash mailboxes are not too big and that your Windows resources
are not very low. Those two things account for a huge amount of the odd
complaints about Eudora not behaving.
> The PDF file also refers to a line of InterpretFormat Flowed=0 or 1.
> Allegedly this also turns FormatFlowed on and off.
> Can anyone explain the settings I should have to have excerpt bars and to
> only paste selected text in a "reply to" without all the html jumble.
ConvertFormatFlowedtoExcerpt=1
AlwaysExcerptResponse=1
InterpretFormatFlowed=1
are the three settings that control format=flowed. If you have them all
set that way, you should always get excerpt bars where approriate. The
html when using selective quoting is a by-product of turning format=flowed
off, so those settings should prevent the html jumble from happening.
--
Katrina
Me
ZB
Thanks Adam and Daniel. At least I now am content that I understand the
position and my options. I will stick with ConvertFormatFlowed=1. I like the
excerpt bars and now I will get intelligible text if I accidentally have
some text selected when I reply.
At least I can stop trying to solve the problem :-))
Steve
"Daniel Jacobson" <dani...@iadfw.net> wrote in message
ZB
concession of defeat.
>
> > I have just added a line ConvertFormatFlowed=1. This solved the problem
I
> > have of getting all the HTML tags displayed when I have any text
> > selected.and hit "reply to". On the other hand this inserts the complete
> > text so I am not much forward.
>
> That's the default setting. You shouldn't have needed to add that to the
> file unless you'd changed it at some point in the past. Are you sure you
> didn't have ConvertFormatFlowed=0 somewhere in eudora.ini before you made
> that change?
No, I did not have a previous ConvertFormatFlowed=0. When I put the the line
in with a 1 it certainly changed the behaviour. Before it would put the html
stuff along with the quoted tet and now it gives the complee message but
clean.
>If not, it could be that the ini file is corrupt and
> Eudora is not reading it properly.
That has certainly happened a couple of times. In fact a few months ago I
scrapped an ini file I had been using for a couple of years in several
computers as it was really misbehaving.
> Have you checked to make sure you're
> allowing Eudora to quote selected text? (Tools | options | Replying, make
> sure 'Quote only the selected text' is checked.) You can also go to
> eudora.ini and see if you have a setting for ReplySelectOnlyIf.
I do not have that line at all. The nearest is ReplySelection=1 I did check
out the 'Quote only the selected text' and found it unchecked. I corrected
that (but still do not have the line you refer to)
Suddenly it is all behaving perfectly.
> If these settings are all okay and Eudora isn't acting the way the
> settings specify, you could try resetting eudora.ini - hold ctrl and shift
> while selecting Tools | options. That sets just about everything except
> your personality and connection info back to the defaults and cleans a lot
> of junk out of the ini file if it is there.
Another new thing to me. That sounds like a good tip. If anyone else is
thinking of trying it I would say two words. Backup first!!
>
> And, as general advice anytime Eudora is acting weird, make sure your in,
> out and trash mailboxes are not too big and that your Windows resources
> are not very low. Those two things account for a huge amount of the odd
> complaints about Eudora not behaving.
I do know that one and filter out all mail promptly.
Thanks Katrina. I now have a complete solution. It has been annoying me for
a long time. Maybe you should write the next manual for Qualcomm.
Z
Adam Kippes
<9E4528561AD3E815.BE59E2D2...@lp.airnews.net>,
Daniel Jacobson wrote:
> From the Relnotes.txt for Eudora 4.2 dated 10-27-1999
> ----------------------------
> CHANGES/FIXES IN VERSION 4.2
> ----------------------------
I knew you would have it. <g>
Katrina Knight
>> That's the default setting. You shouldn't have needed to add that to the
>> file unless you'd changed it at some point in the past. Are you sure you
>> didn't have ConvertFormatFlowed=0 somewhere in eudora.ini before you made
>> that change?
> No, I did not have a previous ConvertFormatFlowed=0. When I put the the line
> in with a 1 it certainly changed the behaviour. Before it would put the html
> stuff along with the quoted tet and now it gives the complee message but
> clean.
It certainly sounds like it thought you had that setting set to 0, which
it shouldn't have if the setting wasn't there. I'd worry about that if you
have any more problems.
>> Have you checked to make sure you're
>> allowing Eudora to quote selected text? (Tools | options | Replying, make
>> sure 'Quote only the selected text' is checked.) You can also go to
>> eudora.ini and see if you have a setting for ReplySelectOnlyIf.
> I do not have that line at all. The nearest is ReplySelection=1 I did check
> out the 'Quote only the selected text' and found it unchecked. I corrected
> that (but still do not have the line you refer to)
If the 'Quote only the selected text' option wasn't turned on, that would
prevent it from quoting selected text. If the other setting isn't there,
it should use the default setting, which is normally fine.
>> If these settings are all okay and Eudora isn't acting the way the
>> settings specify, you could try resetting eudora.ini - hold ctrl and shift
>> while selecting Tools | options. That sets just about everything except
>> your personality and connection info back to the defaults and cleans a lot
>> of junk out of the ini file if it is there.
> Another new thing to me. That sounds like a good tip. If anyone else is
> thinking of trying it I would say two words. Backup first!!
Actually, Eudora makes a backup copy of the ini file before cleaning it
out. I forget what it calls it, but I'm pretty sure it tells you that in
the dialog box where it asks you if you really want to do it.
> Thanks Katrina. I now have a complete solution. It has been annoying me for
> a long time. Maybe you should write the next manual for Qualcomm.
I'm pretty sure I could write an improved manual. They'd have to pay me to
do it though. :)
--
Katrina