Linking PC to Mac
George Thomas
I currently own a Pentium 300 running Windows 2000; it has a CD, printer and
internet access.
A friend is giving me an old Apple Mac running OS 8.5; it takes Nubus rather
than PCI cards.
What hardware (i.e. cards and cable) do I need to share files between the
Mac and PC. I would prefer this to be in either direction; however, I could
cope with just from Mac to PC at a push.
Ideally, I would like to make the PCs facilities (i.e. CD, printer and
internet access) available to the Mac, but as its an old machine I don't
want to spend a large sum of money.
Any suggestions gratefully received.
gtx
Peter Ceresole
"George Thomas" <ourp...@clara.co.uk> wrote:
>What hardware (i.e. cards and cable) do I need to share files between the
>Mac and PC.
A floppy disk should do it. Macs can read PeeCee floppies (and Zips and
Jazes) and sys 8.5 (the component application is called "PC Exchange" and
will be in System Folder->Control panels) can handle Win long file names up
to 32 characters.
If you want to share in real time, I think even an old Mac should have a
built-in Ethernet port. The PC might need a card, but not the Mac.
--
Peter
George Thomas
I think I will take the real time route as the shared files will be appox
650 meg.
Does this allow me to share files in either direction and does this make the
PCs facilities available to the Mac?
Thanks again.
gtx
Peter Ceresole <pe...@cara.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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George Thomas
One last question:
Does this solution allow the Mac to use the CD, printer an internet access
on the PC?
Thanks
gtx
Si Ballenger <s...@vnet.net> wrote in message
news:38a5ecba...@166.82.1.9...
> If the mac and pc have ethernet ports, then you can use tcp/ip
> between the two just like they are on the net. You can get a
> webserver program that does ftp and put on the pc. Do the same
> for the mac and then use the brousers to access each other.
Fox
(http://www.thursby.com). When installed -- your shared resources on
the PC are as easy to use as if they were connected to the Mac.
Need files from the PC hard drive -- just open up the directories (which
are mounted like disk drives) on the Mac desktop and drag and drop --
same for moving files from the Mac to the PC.
DAVE has a print server which will let you access the printer in that
same way (as if it were connected to the Mac), provided you have the
appropriate drivers for the printer. I should clarify here and state
that in my setup, the printer is also networked via ethernet (serial
port connected printers may require addition support) -- the PC is set
up as the primary computer (master browser) since setting up networks
are much easier on the PC (it's all built in -- you will not need to
purchase any further software for the PC).
With DAVE, you mount "servers" (shared directories, or drives, etc.) via
the Chooser. You can have them automatically start up when you start
your Mac -- but I prefer to manually open them because I don't always
have the PC turned on first (the Mac will "look" a very long time for
these servers even if they are not available -- it can get annoying).
Everything "appears" to be part of the Mac's system, which is really
cool, but you can also communicate via browser between machines -- you
will need to assign IP addresses for each machine on your network
[usually 192.168.0.x, where x is the number of the local machine --
there is a security reason for this specific addressing, so you're well
advised to stay with it, although you are free to use others as long as
they don't conflict with internet addresses when you're logged on]. All
you need to do is type the IP address in the browser's location item and
(provided the machine you're trying to address has a server) you will
get that machine's home page. I would recommend Xitami for the PC as a
server -- it's very good -- it's fast and small -- can handle a fair
amount of traffic if you want to host your own internet site from your
own machine -- and best of all -- it's free! (check out: http://www.imatix.com).
As for sharing internet access -- that ability for machines networked
together was built into Windows with Window98SE (second edition). Check
your Windows manuals about setting up shared internet access. If you
elect not to use Windows built in service -- you will need a proxy
server for the machine controlling internet access. For the PC, the
AnalogX Proxy server is pretty good (easy install, easy to use, free) --
check out http://tucows.com for proxies. Your PC is best suited to be
the center of your network. Also -- set up a peer-to-peer network --
it's the easiest to do, and, you don't have WindowsNT, so your PC isn't
a true network server.
Once you get everything hooked up correctly, you'll find all your Mac's
shared resources in Network Neighborhood -- which will also not look any
different than any other directories on your PC.
If you're new to networking LANs, there is a lot that can get confusing
-- try NOT to overcomplicate things. If you run into any trouble getting
the machines to recognize each other -- contact the people at Thursby --
they were very helpful when I was having trouble. If you need to get a
hub -- get one that's "unmanaged" for a peer-to-peer, and preferrably
"switching" (for 10/100BaseT), unless all your machines have the same
speed ethernet.
Switching Zip disks between machines got to be a real hassle --
especially after two of them became completely unreadable.
Fox
*****************
Daniele Procida
> > >What hardware (i.e. cards and cable) do I need to share files between
> > >the Mac and PC.
> > A floppy disk should do it. Macs can read PeeCee floppies (and Zips and
> > Jazes) and sys 8.5 (the component application is called "PC Exchange"
> > and will be in System Folder->Control panels) can handle Win long file
> > names up to 32 characters.
> >
> > If you want to share in real time, I think even an old Mac should have a
> > built-in Ethernet port. The PC might need a card, but not the Mac.
> I think I will take the real time route as the shared files will be appox
> 650 meg. Does this allow me to share files in either direction and does
> this make the PCs facilities available to the Mac? Thanks again.
Since you said the Mac is a Power mac with Nubus and not PCI slots it
must be one of the x100 series. They had ethernet ports, but in the form
of an AAUI socket (it's Apple's version of the AUI socket) and so you'll
need a transceiver - either 10BaseT (twisted pairs) or 10Base2 (for
co-axial cable). These transceivers are readily available; they're a
little pricey new (we do them for about 40ukp + VAT) but you can get
used ones for less.
If you want to connect the two machines over 10BaseT without a hub you
can do it with a crossover cable (see the uk.comp.sys.mac FAQ for
details at web.ukonline.co.uk/mac).
Probably the trickiest part of the job will be getting the two machines
to agree to share files with each other. I have not much experience of
this particular problem, but options include DAVE from Thursby software,
PC MacLAN from Miramar, and FTP over a local TCP/IP network which
shouldn't require any additional software. Others on the Mac newsgroups
will have more advice on this.
By the way, would you be so kind as to format newsgroup replies by
putting the quoted text at the top, editing it for relevance, and
putting your reply underneath? It's the accepted standard and it makes
it much easier to follow discussions. Thanks.
Daniele
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Benjamin Spencer
> You can get a
> webserver program that does ftp and put on the pc. Do the same
> for the mac and then use the brousers to access each other.
A solution that I use quite regularly is Hotline (www.bigredh.com) it
doesn't help with sharing printers etc, but is unrivalled for file
exchange. You will need the mac server software and a client for both
machines (free) and then just pop an alias of the macintosh HD into the
server's 'files' folder.
--
Ben
Butt Seemore
should be able to comunicate
Si Ballenger wrote in message <38a5ecba...@166.82.1.9>...
>If the mac and pc have ethernet ports, then you can use tcp/ip
>webserver program that does ftp and put on the pc. Do the same
>for the mac and then use the brousers to access each other.
>
>>650 meg.
>>Does this allow me to share files in either direction and does this make
the
>>PCs facilities available to the Mac?
>>Thanks again.
>>
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