Would you believe this???
mackyo
Mikko Jäntti
> Some whining we have here http://queperfect.biz/ click on Filipino Cuemakers...
Hmm, quite strong opinions...
Regards,
Mikko Jantti
WilleeCue
without being able to do much about it.
Can't really blame him for feeling that way but his dirty laundry does take the
focus away from his cues on his website.
Nice looking cues too. Sounds like he knows exactly what he is doing with the
wood also.
He needs to lose the idea of exposing all who have done him wrong on his website
and focus on showing his cues and talking more about his construction methods
and how they produce a better pool cue.
But hey ... what do I know .... I am down here in the mud wrestling with pigs
every day.
I got mud all over me, so I should really talk about someone else .... huh.
William Lee
Corpus Christi, Texas.
http://home.stx.rr.com/n5wrx
Making and repairing cues since the turn of the century.
"mackyo" <macky...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Ronnie Powell
should just reveal and give credit to his cuemaker for earning him
money without him breaking a sweat. It seems that Ronnie is afraid
since his cuemaker is already starting his own line of cues and so is
trying to discredit him even before he launches his own line, which
you would find to be suspiciously similar to QP cues. Hope Ronnie
would be able to find another cuemaker, if not his cue making business
would go down real soon.
"WilleeCue" <n5...@stx.rr.com> wrote in message news:<kWKF9.82669$Kj1.3...@twister.austin.rr.com>...
> Sounds like Ronnie is frustrated about being cheated and losing all those cues
> without being able to do much about it.
> Can't really blame him for feeling that way but his dirty laundry does take the
> focus away from his cues on his website.
> Nice looking cues too. Sounds like he knows exactly what he is doing with the
> wood also.
Really knows how to convince people eh?
> He needs to lose the idea of exposing all who have done him wrong on his website
Maybe he can also show in his website all the people he has done wrong
to, for a change.
> and focus on showing his cues and talking more about his construction methods
> and how they produce a better pool cue.
He can't. Coz he doesn't know how his cuemaker does it.
WilleeCue
Are you trying to discredit him using his name or is he using yours?
Will the real Ronnie Powell please stand up?
William Lee
"Ronnie Powell" <bogusc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ted harris
impart on the cueball? Different players will definitely have different
results with the same cues.
Now I do not know what goes on in the Philippines, but what I read is a lot
of "he-said this" and "he did this," and looks like nothing more than
heresay to me. And it is very repetitive at that. I wish Dr. Powell better
luck in the future with his business dealings, but there was a time when we
all got robbed. That is the price you pay for being new to any industry and
being "green." INHO, it would be much more prudent for the writer (Ronnie
Powell?) on that website to focus less on what others are doing, and more on
what they are doing. If the cues are everything they say they are, then
customer demand will necessitate their success.
Respectfully,
Ted Harris
http://www.tedharris.com
(remove "NOJUNK" from email address listed to reply)
"mackyo" <macky...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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MANH HOANG
Ronnie Powell guy is a COMPLETE FRAUD, an embarassment to the
cuemaking and billiards industry. I don't know anything about
cuemaking, but I don't think any cuemaker can make 7 elaborate cues,
ALL BY HAND, from scratch in 10 days, ESPECIALLY WHILE HE IS IN THE
WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM.
Willie, Sherm, Jim, or anyone with any experiences with cuemaking, is
it possible for a cuemaker to make 7 elaborate cues from scratch, ALL
BY HAND, in 10 days?
I don't know how the Witness Protection Program works in the
Philippines, but Ronnie Powell was supposedly in the Witness
Protection Program while he supposedly completed 7 cues from scratch
ALL BY HAND in 10 days. Isn't that amazing???
Manh Hoang...have been conned...lesson well-learned
bogusc...@yahoo.com (Ronnie Powell) wrote in message news:<90f03f1c.02112...@posting.google.com>...
WilleeCue
"MANH HOANG" <man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Did people cheat him or did HE cheat other people? I think this
> Ronnie Powell guy is a COMPLETE FRAUD, an embarassment to the
> cuemaking and billiards industry. I don't know anything about
> cuemaking, but I don't think any cuemaker can make 7 elaborate cues,
> ALL BY HAND, from scratch in 10 days, ESPECIALLY WHILE HE IS IN THE
> WITNESS PROTECTION PROGRAM.
>
> Willie, Sherm, Jim, or anyone with any experiences with cuemaking, is
> it possible for a cuemaker to make 7 elaborate cues from scratch, ALL
> BY HAND, in 10 days?
You asking me? ... Willee? <G>
Well .....my experience is limited as you know.
However, I use a few machines to make my cues, but still, I do not think I
could make 1 cue in 10 days.
Not real inlayed custom cues ..... Not from basic wood stock.
If I had butts and shafts made up and ready for inlay and finishing ....
perhaps.
The finish alone from start to final buff takes about four days minium.
I am not so sure even McDermott or Viking could make a cue from start to finish
in 10 days.
But ... we do not know ALL the story .... do we.
Just bits and pieces here and there.
It has been my experience that the whole truth is seldom found in a post here.
Didn't I read somewhere here that only 1 of the cues were ready to ship and that
the other 9 were in various stages of construction?
No .... I do not think any cuemaker could make even 1 cue in 10 days if he had
to make it from scratch and apply a clearcoat finish on it ..... IF that is all
there is to the story.
Also ... It seems there is more than one person posting as "Ronnie Powell"
around here .... so what IS the truth?
I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until I find out otherwise.
No skin off my Willee one way or the other. ;>)
> Manh Hoang...have been conned...lesson well-learned
William Lee
WilleeCue
Well said!
William Lee
"ted harris" <poolcue...@tedharris.com> wrote in message
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Patrick Johnson
> Protection Program while he supposedly completed 7 cues from scratch
> ALL BY HAND in 10 days. Isn't that amazing???
Why? How does being in the witness protection program make it any harder?
Pat Johnson
Chicago
oj
made the Qperfect cues is to take the wrap off of the handle to see
the signature of the cuemaker. Apparently you won't find Ron Powells'
signature there. With us now knowing this, wouldn't you think that
Powell cut off his nose in spite of his face with his "Damn it I can't
control them I'll destroy them" monologue.
"WilleeCue" <n5...@stx.rr.com> wrote in message news:<kWKF9.82669$Kj1.3...@twister.austin.rr.com>...
mackyo
read this article from the QP site and wished to get the opinions of
RSBers...
"WilleeCue" <n5...@stx.rr.com> wrote in message news:<y_QF9.83372$Kj1.3...@twister.austin.rr.com>...
Smorgass Bored
(*<~ I'm guessing that he had to hold his fake moustache & beard in
place with one hand.
NEXT,
Doug
~>*(((>< Big fish eat Little fish ><)))*<~
RIPP
> Some whining we have here http://queperfect.biz/ click on Filipino Cuemakers...
OMG.....how does this guy get any cues made with all the time he
spends writing on his website......talk about rambling.
George
Providence,RI
Joe Van
posters. Some of which are taking the names of people in the supposed
arguement. Some of which are involved in "foreign" (reyes) cuemaker postings.I
think this is the same guy just posting for arguements sake and to be noticed.
I want to go on record as saying I have seen a Bing cue up close and the
workmanship was total garbage. I also want to say that the pics of the
"Queperfect" ques were impressive, but hardly warranting 3500.00 cue status. We
were offered a few (unknown) lines coming out of the far east and I can say
that with one exception, I would not carry any of them. IMHO the best import by
far is still the Adam cues.
Joe (---ranting
www.pooltablemagic.net / www.classiccues.com
Lisa
made my head hurt. It was repeatative and at some points difficult to
follow...or perhaps fathom.
I guess I do not understand the concept of handing over merchandise
with demanding payment. I understand that there are retailers that
have the ability to receive some merchandise on 'credit'...but they
usually have a written contract as to the terms of repayment, and have
a reputation for honesty. I, personally, would NEVER hand over a
piece of work, especially handcrafted, without some sort of legal and
binding contract being in place first. And above and beyond
that....NEVER in a cross-international exchange. Laws vary too
greatly between countries for this to be viable. There is simply just
too many varibles in place to make this a 'safe' business practice.
All that being said...I, personally, at this particular point,
would never even consider purchasing a QPerfect Cue, and will
certainly never spend my hard earned dollars with Discount Billiards
Supply...no matter how great a deal it may appear.
I am not saying that there may not be some basis in fact to Mr
Powell's allegations. One does have to wonder WHY these cues are
being 'dumped' on the market at 'fire sale' prices. However, accusing
eBay as a willing participant in the collusion is a bit far-fetched.
They are not a legal entity. However, I am sure they take the
necessary steps they can when convincing documentation is provided. I
have been a bidder who has had an auction ended early because the
seller was a bit nefarious in their representation of an item. And
when the item relisted, I did not bid again.
The entire issue just doesn't 'feel' right. There has to be
something else going on here that we are not aware of.
I will not deal with anyone that I do not feel I can trust. The
ONLY dealer of custom cues I have, and will continue to, deal with is
Troy at On the Hill. I have found him to be quite trustworthy and
willing to please. Beyond that...I will deal with the cuemaker
DIRECT. I would rather pay more for the customer service and
attention to detail. I had a cue that had a problem, and by being
able to deal with the cuemaker direct, I was taken care of quite
satisfactorily. That is because their reputation and pride in
workmanship is what keeps the customers coming, and coming back. I
have witnessed that ethic here with Willee Cues, and the offer to
refinish past cues at no charge. Did he have to do that...no...but
because he cares about what he does, he did.
I don't think Mr Powell's website message was handled very well.
It screams of hostility. And that may well be deserved, at the
personal level, but it certainly will not serve him well in promoting
his cues or cue line, whichever the case may be. I was put off
immediately. I do think it would have been appropriate to post
listing the stolen cues. But the attack on Northwest Airlines should
have been avoided. As to the issue he has with Mr Hoang, I feel that
should have been left unaddressed. It was a business transaction that
both entered into freely. The fact that it went bad should not be
aired out to the general public. It would not surprise me to find
that all this has well cost him beyond the $455.00 he is screaming
about. It was a bad business decision. Accept it, and learn from it,
so it doesn't happen again in the future. It's all one can really do
in a situation like this.
Sorry for the length of the message, but after reading his 'blurp'
on his website, I just had to make comment.
Lisa
oj
computer illiterate! Did you get conned too, Sherm?
RIPool...@aol.com (RIPP) wrote in message news:<a2e56105.02113...@posting.google.com>...
nu
cheat.
By the way guys, I'm the 'another person to tear me down on forums in
America' that Ronnie's talking about. I exposed his MO in the WPC
forums a few months back.
I was considering posting my little expose' here in RSB, but I decided
against it. I just want to assure you guys that most of the things in
his rants are lies.
nu
"WilleeCue" <n5...@stx.rr.com> wrote in message news:<kWKF9.82669$Kj1.3...@twister.austin.rr.com>...
WilleeCue
up with what you know.
You are implying he is a cheat without giving reason for us to believe you.
I dont know wheather he is or is not.
I dont know if I even want to know.
How long has he been making cues and selling them for thousands of dollars?
Anyone here have one of his cues and would like to coment about it?
William Lee
"nu" <n...@mailandnews.com.ph> wrote in message
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LINDS
hmmm...
mahn hoang,
hows your story?
welcome to the club!
linds
the "CONMAN" from P.I.
MANH HOANG
Powell were FULLY paid for. In fact, I paid over $7600 to his bank
account in the Philippines through wire transfer immediately after the
BCA Trade Show, where I bought his cues. If I were a thief, I think I
would want to steal several thousands of dollars, not a few hundred
dollars. I DO NOT owe Mr. Powell a penny. Joe Young and Darren
Sandlin can verify to that fact that I FULLY paid for all the cues.
Joe and Darren are neutral parties who WORKED for Mr. Powell at his
booth at the BCA Trade Show and they have HELPED Mr. Powell from the
very beginning since the last Valley Forge Show. They were there at
the BCA Trade Show and share the same hotel room with Mr. Powell. Mr.
Powell blackmailed me by saying that if I don't pay him the money, he
would put my picture and my name on his website telling the world that
I a thief. Why do I have to pay for the money that I don't owe? I
told Mr. Powell that if he felt that I still owe him money, then
let's do a complete exchange: exchange the several thousands of
dollars that I paid him for the cues. Fair enough?
The truth is that everyone who has ever been associated with Mr.
Powell has learned the hard truth that Mr. Powell is a liar. For
example, Mr. Powell told Sherm Adamson that I stole his cues. When I
produced the proof that the cues were fully paid for, then Mr. Powell
changed the story and said that I partially paid for the cues.
Mr. Powell conned me to get my business. As a business person and a
dealer, I do not want to have anything to do with Mr. Powell nor his
cues anymore. Therefore I am selling off all his cues on Ebay. I
just want to get back some money, or whatever I can. There is a lot
more going on in this story, but I have refrained myself, as much as I
could, from discussing this in the public. I would hope that if
anyone interested in knowing the truth, simply contact Sherm, Darren
or Joe.
Manh Hoang
Brownwood, Tx
Go Lions!!!
ridewit...@cedarcomm.com (Lisa) wrote in message news:<2598a98d.02113...@posting.google.com>...
MANH HOANG
I have never been in any Witness Protection Program, but I have been
fascinated with the law enforcements for many, many years. There are
a couple of categories in the Witness Protection Programs: Big Shot,
and small time. In a small time case, they would wisk you away in a
very short time notice, generally just enough time so you can pack
some cloths, generally cut off your communications to the outside
world, except to your family, so nobody knows where you are, hide you
in a safe place, etc. If you are a Big Shot, they would give you
brand new identities, like new names, social security numbers, open
new bank accounts for you, find you a new place to live, etc, like the
case of Sammy Gravanno and John Gotti.
This is one of the many reasons why I don't believe that Mr. Powell
can finish 7 elaborate cues in 10 days and all by hand from scratch
(because I wanted the cues to be made from scratch) when he was
supposedly in the Witness Protection Program. One of the many reasons
why I believe that Mr. Powell is a con artist, not a cuemaker.
Manh Hoang
Brownwood, TX
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MANH HOANG
"I was just contacted by the owner of "Discount Billiard Supplies" and was
convinced beyond all reasonable doubt that he is the rightful owner of the
cues. In fact he'll probably have some more of them coming out and you can
bid without any concern of them being stolen too! He has been in contact
with Mr. Powell in regards to the situation.
I apologies to Discount Billiards Supplies for any grief my post may have
caused! The owner understands full well that I meant him no harm , and that
I was just trying to help a friend!
Sherm
==========================================================================
Manh Hoang
linds...@yahoo.com (LINDS) wrote in message news:<153afd27.02113...@posting.google.com>...
nbc
At least 4 que perfect ques being sold on eBay right at this minute.
One cue at no reserve even...
They are good cues with beautiful inlay work... most probably made by
someone else other than Ronnie Powell...
Seems like Mr. Powell is having trouble selling his cues and is
dumping them right now...
nbc
nu
'issue' larger than it is.
I'm not going to post the story on RSB. However, my original posts
can be searched and viewed at the WPC forum. It's there for everyone
to see, if you know how to look.
IMO, Mr. Powell is going down, and his rant is merely an attempt to
try to take Filipino cuemakers down with him. My posts in the WPC
forum, along with posts from other members there (and now in RSB), as
well as a small but strong effort from some Filipinos, have exposed
how Mr. Powell works. With nothing else left to do, well...
nu
"WilleeCue" <n5...@stx.rr.com> wrote in message news:<xHaG9.95133$8D.22...@twister.austin.rr.com>...
Lisa
Mr Powell's. I think Shakespeare said it best with 'I think he doth
protest too much'...or somethng along those lines.
I found his attack on you, with a pic to boot, was tantamount to a
character assassignation. And as I had stated in my previous post,
should have been left unaddressed. It should not have been set out
there as public fodder.
The fact that you have at least chosen to address the issue
personally shows to me more creedence in your story. I found it a bit
odd to pitch a fit as big as he is pitching for 455.00. I personally
think he has cost himself way more than that 'supposedly owed' amount
in future business.
I will recant my statement about purchasing from your auctions. I
have been impressed with the cues you have offered in the past...but
cost wise...they are just out of my league right now. But...if I had
that kind of money to spend...you have had some nice offerings. I hit
eBay billiards listings several times a day...so I see most
everything.
It would be nice to have the whole story.
Lisa...off to league night.
oj
cuemakers in the Philippines that Powell approached to make cues for
him and the main one that did most is Lind's Billiards. Apparently
this fiasco started when lind asked for help from his Fil-American
cuemaker buddy, Edwin Reyes, for some help in dealing with Powell who
has been abusively belittleing filipino cuemakers. Edwin just told
lind that he will help them make cues that conform to international
standards so that lind's american dealer won't belittle them. Powell
on the other hand after hearing from lind's the offer from Edwin
started getting paranoid and reacted by trying to force lind into
signing an "all to Powell's favor" contract to which lind disagreed to
sign. Powell even mentioned to lind that Edwin is the only guy who
can blow his scam due to Ed being also an American and thus knows a
lot of people in the industry. Shortly after this, lind and Powell's
relationship soured and Powell started approaching other cuemakers in
another region in the Philippines (the reason why the quality of the
finish on his wood series sucks) where the cuemaking style is
diffrent.
I showed Powell's story that he posted in his website to my brother
who is a State Prosecutor and he said that it looks like the initial
strategy of a defense lawyer. "Discredit the witnesses" and that is
exactly how I interpret Powell's motive when he wrote it.
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