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Doug Haxton

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Sep 15, 2002, 10:23:27 AM9/15/02
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In regards to Transorbital going to the Moon, a far-left Democrat
website is having hysterics. Some quotes:

"The TransOrbital venture could be disastrous for the globe - no
scientist today could predict yet how adding mass to the moon via
human infrastructure or removing mass, via mining, will impact the
delicate gravitational interplay between Earth and its only satellite.
The moon belongs to all the people of the Earth - not to George. W.
Bush or his friends at TransOrbital."

"Now check this site out for the Artemis Society - the group that is
behind TransOrbital. It reminds us of those rghtwing front sites that
lead to multiple front sites and nothing is what it seems. You'll
notice that their web host calls itself the "Illuminati" and as based
in Texas. "

"It doesn't take more than two neurons to figure out that once the
Artemis Project gets its foot in the lunar door, the "state-sponsored"
construction of a military space base will follow. "

All of this at www.democrats.com

(Scroll 2/3rds of the way down)

Doug


Mark R. Whittington

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Sep 15, 2002, 10:51:12 AM9/15/02
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"Doug Haxton" <dlha...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Oh my. I hope it's all true.


Damon Hill

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Sep 15, 2002, 11:54:26 AM9/15/02
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Doug Haxton <dlha...@attbi.com> wrote in
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> www.democrats.com

Idiots, idiots, idiots...

As much as I dislike Republicans and conservatives in general,
the political alternative is just as bad.

I want off this planet!

--Damon

Joann Evans

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Sep 15, 2002, 10:08:49 AM9/15/02
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Sounds like *they're* afraid we want off, too....

Where was this guy (likely in diapers, I know) when we were dropping
spent S-IVB stages on the Moon? Never mind that even the naked eye can
see evidence that the Universe has been dropping mass on the Moon from
day one.

Stray.Mk.2

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Sep 16, 2002, 12:17:54 AM9/16/02
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:23:27 GMT, Doug Haxton <dlha...@attbi.com>
wrote:

>In regards to Transorbital going to the Moon, a far-left Democrat
>website is having hysterics. Some quotes:
>
>"The TransOrbital venture could be disastrous for the globe - no
>scientist today could predict yet how adding mass to the moon via
>human infrastructure or removing mass, via mining, will impact the
>delicate gravitational interplay between Earth and its only satellite.

I think the writer is desperately trying to substitute 'gravitational
interplay' for 'ecological balance' here, since environmental
worries...well, aren't, on the Moon, and he needs to couch his
hysterics in terms he's familiar with...

That being said, if a substantial mass was removed from the Moon and
moved out of the Earth-Moon system, what would be the effects? I
suppose the tidal effect might be a tiny bit weaker...

>The moon belongs to all the people of the Earth - not to George. W.
>Bush or his friends at TransOrbital."

Lol. Paul, have you been informed that you're a friend of the
President?

>"Now check this site out for the Artemis Society - the group that is
>behind TransOrbital. It reminds us of those rghtwing front sites that
>lead to multiple front sites and nothing is what it seems. You'll
>notice that their web host calls itself the "Illuminati" and as based
>in Texas. "

The vast, frightening labyrinth of the ASI databook...maintained by
CyberTeams, iirc, not the Illuminati. =)

>"It doesn't take more than two neurons to figure out that once the
>Artemis Project gets its foot in the lunar door, the "state-sponsored"
>construction of a military space base will follow. "

Is _that_ what ASI is planning to do? For shame! And to think, these
years I've been a member, not so much as a peep! All that nonsense
about 'commercialization' and 'civilian access,' feh. =)

This website is FAR left, and seems genuinely nutty (not to mention
ill-informed); I think that negative press for TO and ASI from a site
like this might actually have very positive effects. Sort of like
Hitler saying bad things about you in public: that's good for you in
the eyes of normal people.

George
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deception is being carried out.
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PBlase

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Sep 15, 2002, 11:26:41 PM9/15/02
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>"... You'll notice that their web host calls itself the "Illuminati" and as
based in Texas. "

Where the heck did they get that? Both ASI andTransOrbital are based at Pair
(www.pair.com).

PBlase

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Sep 15, 2002, 11:29:08 PM9/15/02
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>Lol. Paul, have you been informed that you're a friend of the President?

First I've heard of it. I wonder if we're missing a funding angle here
somewhere.

Doug Haxton

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Sep 15, 2002, 11:58:21 PM9/15/02
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The only thing I can guess is that there was, at the time, an ad based
at www.io.com, originally know as "Illuminati Online".

doug

Aozotorp

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Sep 16, 2002, 1:46:58 PM9/16/02
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??????

But I found these gems at the site:

While Nation Looks the Other Way on 9/11 Anniversary, Bush Gives Moon to
Private Corporation for 'Industrial Development'
Like all the other international laws, Bush is now ignoring those pertaining to
space. As America is distracted by 9/11 remembrances and warnings of new
threats, His Heinous has turned the moon over to a private, for-profit
corporation called TransOrbital that has a far-reaching, frigthening agenda for
the corporate domination of space. All TransOrbital had to do was promise not
to contaminate and pollute the moon - yeah, right. That's what the oil
companies say about ANWR. There was no Congressional vote - not even any
consultation. Bush simply acted as if the moon were his to give away. The


TransOrbital venture could be disastrous for the globe - no scientist today
could predict yet how adding mass to the moon via human infrastructure or
removing mass, via mining, will impact the delicate gravitational interplay
between Earth and its only satellite. The moon belongs to all the people of the
Earth - not to George. W. Bush or his friends at TransOrbital.

TransOrbital Just Like Bush - Long on Grandiosity and Corporate Schemes, Short
on Real Science
The company that Bush turned the moon over to as its personal corporate
playground is a chip off the old Blockhead. Check out this home page:
http://www.transorbital.net/index.html - notice the ad at the top of the page,
where the company brags that it will make it possible to display commercial
messages on the surface of the moon. Now check this site out for the Artemis


Society - the group that is behind TransOrbital. It reminds us of those
rghtwing front sites that lead to multiple front sites and nothing is what it

seems. You'll notice that their web host calls itself the "Illuminati" and is
based in Texas. How Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney can you get!? Here's another one of
their "subsites": Project Leto, a moon tourism outfit based in Las Vegas to
attract the glitzy crowd.

U.S. Military Control of Space from the Moon: The Real Plan behind
TransOrbital's Permission to 'Develop' the Moon?
Everyone by now knows with painful clarity that the Bush administration does
not do a single thing without having something in it for them, and usually
something big and juicy. Now put two and two together: Bush gives a wacko
commercial company with a scheme called the Artemis Project the green light to
be the first to commandeer the moon, commercially - that means patents and
legal privilege of a sweeping and unprecedented nature. Now add to that the USS
Space Command's long range plan - military control of space. It doesn't take


more than two neurons to figure out that once the Artemis Project gets its foot
in the lunar door, the "state-sponsored" construction of a military space base
will follow.

--------------------------------------

STOP ALL SPACE EXPLORATION NOW!

http://wolfbat359.com/space.html

Terrell Miller

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Sep 16, 2002, 4:41:15 PM9/16/02
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"Doug Haxton" <dlha...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> "The TransOrbital venture could be disastrous for the globe - no
> scientist today could predict yet how adding mass to the moon via
> human infrastructure or removing mass, via mining, will impact the
> delicate gravitational interplay between Earth and its only satellite.

Yeah, that interplay sure is delicate in the Bay Of Fundy <g>

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The Moon is a terrible thing to waste

James McEnanly

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Sep 17, 2002, 10:33:27 AM9/17/02
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Are you certain that this is not some sort of parody website?

Doug Haxton <dlha...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<gk59ouk5jnlecjnfm...@4ax.com>...

GMW

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Sep 17, 2002, 4:41:43 PM9/17/02
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Sad to say that these clowns are what passes for deep thinkers in the left
wing of the political spectrum. Isn't it ironic given the volume of verbal
abuse directed against the so called conservatives by members of this group
when things actually happen it is not the ignorant right wing
fundamentalists who scream the sky is falling but the over educated left.

Off topic but related...When the democratic ran Joe Lieberman as VP it was
the left that spilled ink over evil Jewish influences and the recent take
down of a terrorist cell in Buffalo where all alleged members of that cell
to be registered Democrats. Truly, there is no honor on the left.


Jim Kingdon

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Sep 17, 2002, 5:30:01 PM9/17/02
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> when things actually happen it is not the ignorant right wing
> fundamentalists who scream the sky is falling but the over educated left.

There is such a thing as the over educated left, but believe me,
democrats.com isn't it.

I could think of a lot of things to say about democrats.com, but
"educated" (over or otherwise), wouldn't be it.

Andrew Case

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Sep 17, 2002, 5:30:16 PM9/17/02
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GMW <gm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[Re: Nutty stuff about Transorbital on democrats.com]

>Sad to say that these clowns are what passes for deep thinkers in the left
>wing of the political spectrum.

No, this is what passes for loudmouthed idiots on the left. Loud,
opinionated and ill-informed voices exist across the whole political
spectrum, and they are fairly evenly distributed among the mainstream
political factions.

>Isn't it ironic given the volume of verbal
>abuse directed against the so called conservatives by members of this group
>when things actually happen it is not the ignorant right wing
>fundamentalists who scream the sky is falling but the over educated left.

There are plenty of right wingers who scream that the sky is falling
at the drop of a hat. Smart people ignore them, as they ignore the loony
left.

>Off topic but related...When the democratic ran Joe Lieberman as VP it was
>the left that spilled ink over evil Jewish influences and the recent take
>down of a terrorist cell in Buffalo where all alleged members of that cell
>to be registered Democrats. Truly, there is no honor on the left.

There is plenty of honor on the left. You will not find it by looking
at websites written by loons who can't be bothered to understand what
they are talking about, any more than you can find the intelligent
politics of the right by listening to Rush Limbaugh.

......Andrew

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Stray.Mk.2

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Sep 17, 2002, 11:03:59 PM9/17/02
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On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:41:43 GMT, "GMW" <gm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>when things actually happen it is not the ignorant right wing
>fundamentalists who scream the sky is falling but the over educated left.

Somehow, I don't think over-education is the problem here.

Doug Haxton

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Sep 17, 2002, 10:13:50 PM9/17/02
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On 17 Sep 2002 17:30:16 -0400, ac...@Glue.umd.edu (Andrew Case) wrote:


>There is plenty of honor on the left. You will not find it by looking
>at websites written by loons who can't be bothered to understand what
>they are talking about, any more than you can find the intelligent
>politics of the right by listening to Rush Limbaugh.

I don't think it's accurate to imply that Limbaugh is as far to the
right as these guys are the to left...

Doug

Christopher P. Winter

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Sep 19, 2002, 3:14:15 PM9/19/02
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:23:27 GMT, Doug Haxton <dlha...@attbi.com> wrote:

>In regards to Transorbital going to the Moon, a far-left Democrat
>website is having hysterics. Some quotes:
>
>"The TransOrbital venture could be disastrous for the globe - no
>scientist today could predict yet how adding mass to the moon via
>human infrastructure or removing mass, via mining, will impact the
>delicate gravitational interplay between Earth and its only satellite.
>The moon belongs to all the people of the Earth - not to George. W.
>Bush or his friends at TransOrbital."
>

It's amazing how much some folks will torture logic to put "their" kind
of spin on the latest developments. "No scientist could predict..." etc.
You know they didn't ask any scientists about this.

>"Now check this site out for the Artemis Society - the group that is
>behind TransOrbital. It reminds us of those rghtwing front sites that
>lead to multiple front sites and nothing is what it seems. You'll
>notice that their web host calls itself the "Illuminati" and as based
>in Texas. "
>
>"It doesn't take more than two neurons to figure out that once the
>Artemis Project gets its foot in the lunar door, the "state-sponsored"
>construction of a military space base will follow. "
>
>All of this at www.democrats.com
>
>(Scroll 2/3rds of the way down)
>
>Doug
>

I found it by searching on "TransOrbital". Yep, it's all there.

To turn the headline a few paragraphs down against them, "History will
look back and say `Jeeminy Yow!'"

(I tried to count the stories -- got to 102, realized I was only
halfway down, and gave it up as a bad job. What kind of usability is this?)

pete

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Sep 25, 2002, 5:51:24 PM9/25/02
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on Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:14:15 -0700, Christopher P. Winter
<chri...@chrisw20.best.vwh.net> sez:

` On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:23:27 GMT, Doug Haxton <dlha...@attbi.com> wrote:
`
`>In regards to Transorbital going to the Moon, a far-left Democrat
`>website is having hysterics. Some quotes:
`>
`>"The TransOrbital venture could be disastrous for the globe - no
`>scientist today could predict yet how adding mass to the moon via
`>human infrastructure or removing mass, via mining, will impact the
`>delicate gravitational interplay between Earth and its only satellite.
`>The moon belongs to all the people of the Earth - not to George. W.
`>Bush or his friends at TransOrbital."
`>
`
` It's amazing how much some folks will torture logic to put "their" kind
` of spin on the latest developments. "No scientist could predict..." etc.
` You know they didn't ask any scientists about this.

Just another example of rampant inumeracy. Don't forget that despite
all our education efforts, in a large enough population, 50% will
persistently remain of below average intelligence. And what was the
result of that recent poll on how many people in the US Knew that
the earth went around the sun?

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Rand Simberg

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Sep 25, 2002, 6:06:17 PM9/25/02
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On 25 Sep 2002 21:51:24 GMT, in a place far, far away,
vin...@triumfunspam.ca (pete) made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
such a way as to indicate that:

>Just another example of rampant inumeracy. Don't forget that despite
>all our education efforts, in a large enough population, 50% will
>persistently remain of below average intelligence.

Just to pick a nit, they'll remain below the median. They'll only be
below the average for a perfectly normal distribution.

Not to imply anything about your own numeracy, of course... ;-)

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pete

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Sep 26, 2002, 5:59:36 PM9/26/02
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on Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:06:17 GMT, Rand Simberg <simberg.i...@trash.org> sez:
` On 25 Sep 2002 21:51:24 GMT, in a place far, far away,

` vin...@triumfunspam.ca (pete) made the phosphor on my monitor glow in
` such a way as to indicate that:
`
`>Just another example of rampant inumeracy. Don't forget that despite
`>all our education efforts, in a large enough population, 50% will
`>persistently remain of below average intelligence.
`
` Just to pick a nit, they'll remain below the median. They'll only be
` below the average for a perfectly normal distribution.
`
` Not to imply anything about your own numeracy, of course... ;-)
`
For a sufficiently large population (which is what I wrote), the
distribution will tend to a perfect normal, and the median will
tend to the average. That's why I amended it from the original,
which I think is due to a standup comic about 25 years ago, although
for all I know, it might go back to Mark Twain (who was fond of
statistics as comic fodder). Also, as a nit for a nit, there are
lots of distributions other than normal where median=average. The
gaussian says things about the trailing edges which are typical
of natural systems, but not necessary conditions for m=a. But you
knew that.

Saying 50% below the median the line doesn't work, as it doesn't exploit
the colloquial sense of "average".

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