Toilets
Eric Anderson-Zych
legislation exempting Amtrak from state potty laws. In other words, the
toilet issue is solved, for the moment. By 1996, however, Amtrak is supposed
to have retention toilet systems in all cars.
Have trains dumping waste been a problem in other countries??
How do they plan to solve the problem, or how will they solve it?
Thanks in advance!!
Michael Feldman
>The recent issue of Passenger Train Journal mentions that Congress pased
>legislation exempting Amtrak from state potty laws. In other words, the
>toilet issue is solved, for the moment. By 1996, however, Amtrak is supposed
>to have retention toilet systems in all cars.
need to be dumped between service stops. The legislation (tacked on as an
amendment to the National Volunteer Service bill, by the way - welcome to
Congress :-)) requires retention systems that will last till the next
stop long enough to pump the tanks out. My impression is that the rebuilt
Heritage cars also have retention tanks; the only cars that don't, I guess,
are the cattle cars Amtrak leases from the commuter lines in peak periods.
The legislation says nothing about these, by the way.
>
>Have trains dumping waste been a problem in other countries??
>How do they plan to solve the problem, or how will they solve it?
of trains in Holland more recently, and as far as I know even the newest
ones dump onto the track. And the Dutch are so environmentally conscious!
There are zillions of old(er) cars still rollin' around Europe - France
has hundreds from the 50's and 60's still on the rails, Germany too. As
far as I know, they all flush right onto the tracks, so "passengers will
please refrain..." still holds there. I have a sign like that, in four
languages (Italian, French, German, English in that order) that I swiped
from an Italian coach in '67. Don't tell, please.
Frankly, I don't see why a couple of states are so exercised about this.
Where were they in the 1970's when the current new Amtrak fleet was being
designed?
I have heard tales of airliners dropping cakes of blue ice into the sky.
Who knows where they land? I wouldn't wanna be underneath...
Mike Feldman
Nick Sandru (langt haar)
>In article <11...@ur-cc.UUCP> eazy...@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Eric Anderson-Zych) writes:
>>
>>Have trains dumping waste been a problem in other countries??
>>How do they plan to solve the problem, or how will they solve it?
>I rode the TGV in 1988 - they have retention toilets. I've ridden a number
>of trains in Holland more recently, and as far as I know even the newest
>ones dump onto the track. And the Dutch are so environmentally conscious!
In Denmark only the new IC3 trains (the first entered service in January
this year; they will gradually replace all long-distance trains) have
retention toilets, with enough capacity for a return trip from
Copenhagen to Struer or Frederikshavn (cca 200 - 250 mls). All the other
trains dump on the track...
>There are zillions of old(er) cars still rollin' around Europe - France
>has hundreds from the 50's and 60's still on the rails, Germany too. As
>far as I know, they all flush right onto the tracks, so "passengers will
>please refrain..." still holds there. I have a sign like that, in four
>languages (Italian, French, German, English in that order) that I swiped
>from an Italian coach in '67. Don't tell, please.
You didn't see the Romanian ones (fortunately). Their toilets dump not
on the track, but on the floor!
>I have heard tales of airliners dropping cakes of blue ice into the sky.
>Who knows where they land? I wouldn't wanna be underneath...
I've read recently on someone in UK who got such a thing in his living
room through the roof of the house...
>Mike Feldman
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Jeff Mizener
one with a retension system: the as-of-yet-not-in-regular-service ICE
in Germany. All others dumped out on the track. I rode the TGV from
Paris to Lyon and back, but I don't remember using the toilet. I imagine
they have a retension system, however. They keep all that stuff from
back up into the washroom when you go into a tunnel.
Jeff Mizener
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Dave Pierson
writes...
>Heritage cars also have retention tanks; the only cars that don't, I guess,
>are the cattle cars Amtrak leases from the commuter lines in peak periods.
"straight thru".
...
(whooops, lost attribute...dwp)
>>How do they plan to solve the problem, or how will they solve it?
what they call an "incinolet", which presumably crispy critters the "effluent"
to a nice, inconspicuous ash. Another proclaims "uprocessor controlled" toilet.
(called the microvac.)
...
>I have heard tales of airliners dropping cakes of blue ice into the sky.
>Who knows where they land? I wouldn't wanna be underneath...
Withinthe last week or so, someone was hit on the head by a chunk of
"airline waste water". This is NOT urban legend, though it has now become so,
as i didnt save the story...
thanks
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D Muxworthy
or so, and I understand the 140 mph stock for the East Coast main line
have them. Certainly anything going through the Channel Tunnel will
have to have them (a crap in the wrong place is a dismissable offence
for tunnel construction workers).
David Muxworthy
Lutz Massonne
toilets.
They will get them not for environmental reasons but for air pressure
reasons.
The trains will run over 200 km/hour and if two meet in a tunnel section
the air pressure will cause serious problems with dump toilets
(the dump direction may reverse)
For this reason also the carriage connections have to be pressure-tight.
Regards, Lutz Massonne
Eddie Van Huffel
> designed?
>
> I have heard tales of airliners dropping cakes of blue ice into the sky.
> Who knows where they land? I wouldn't wanna be underneath...
>
> Mike Feldman
What torques me is that people say that we are polluting when the waste goes
to the ground. So far NO ONE has legislated diapers on Deer. The Cuyahoga
Valley Railroad has had to meet that requirement, and the past season has
had to include Porta John Outhouses on their train. The fundamental problem
though is that now the refuse is chemically treated, goes into the drinking
water system, and we are told that it is clean, and it is healthy to drink,
where, when I was young, it was used as fertilizer in the gardens or fields.
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art marriott
>I can't help mentioning the old ditty derived from the placards formerly in
>RR loos:
>
> Passengers will please refrain,
> From flushing toilets while the train,
> Is standing in the station,
> I love youuuu.
>
> We encourage constipation,
> While the train is in the station,
> When the train starts moving,
> So may youuuu.
>--
But don't forget the chorus (This, by the way, goes to the tune of
"Humoresque"):
If you must pa-ass water,
Please call the por-ter,
And he will place a vessel
in your vestibule...
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(I don't think there are any opinions in here worth disclaiming.)
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Art Marriott
Rick DeMattia
> Re: Songs about toilets in stations.
>
> And something from the graffiti line:
>
> Above the emergency brake valve.
>
> If &25 you can afford,
> test your strength and pull this cord. ( The & is supposed to be a pound
> sign which my terminal won't do)
>
> Robert
An amusing incident (since noone got hurt):
Several years ago when I was working as a volunteer on the Cuyahoga
Valley Line steam excursion train running between Cleveland and Akron, Ohio,
USA, the train stopped suddenly due to an emergency application.
Following some stern announcements on the public address system, a
very abashed passenger admitted to the conductor that he had been
responsible. It seems that the emergency valve pull was located in the
toilet compartment of NKP coach 62, and was unlabeled. The passenger
thought it was the flush handle...
Needless to say, aluminized decals shortly appeared near all the
brake valves on the train.
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