L.A.Picket Report 2003/10/25
Feisty
Well Finally!
I attended the picket in Los Angeles on Saturday which began by the complex
known as the 'Big Blue" on L Ron Hubbard Way. Being unfamiliar with the surroundings, it looked
as though the entrance on the one side, across from Wendy's parking lot was some sort of postal
outlet, because of the trucks in the driveway and the lettering on the side of the building
that began IAS Western United States...
It is hard to believe that this whole complex is a church, as the starkness of the outside and
shoddy blue color overall, with lack of symbols made it hard to believe. One picketer commented
that high above the one complex where a tower or turret had once been, was boarded up, 'open to
air' for a long time. Rough, rusty looking beams were exposed to plain sight.
It was a pleasure to meet the other picketers, Ida, Tory, Graham, Cheryl and others. We met,
talked and donned the picket signs. We came around to the main entrance on L Ron Hubbard Way to
see there was a police car parked diagonally in the middle of the road, and what was said to be
a $cientology bicycle security patrolman. There was no confrontation, so it is assumed that
they were mainly aware of our being there.
The first thing to note on this long open street is that the center of the road is made of
cobblestone. This looks so out of place considering the look and words of the banners that hang
on the poles lining down the street. The picture was supposedly a torch. The torch on the
banner did not appear at first sight to look like that. In a science fiction type of way, with
the shading and color, it looked like some subliminal robotic, metallic face, as the base of
the torch took up most of the banner. I forget what the banner read, but I know it was that
galactic type of science fiction jargon. With with the robotic-faced looking torches on poles
lining the street, and the cobblestone street, it was quite odd.
.
There was also a dark, wire or wrought iron lion that was in need of repair, off its concrete
base. Repair equipment and boards were sitting there. Between the wire sculptured metal lion,
the robotic faced torches and the cobblestone street, it was as if the Wizard of Oz had taken
on some strange new dimension. What a strange trip it was.
We walked down L Ron Hubbard Way and it was like a ghost town. One car driving down the street
was occupied by a middle-aged male that flipped the bird as he drove by. Several Scientologists
uttered the words from one picket sign -"Ron Hubbard Died on Psych Drugs' and started
laughing. It was a long street to walk down and it appeared that as we got further down and
back to our starting point, there were even fewer people than when we started. Hard to say how
these buildings are utilized with so few people.
As we got back to the area where our cars were parked, there was a biker patrol
person waiting directly behind the one car, as though maybe he was to be an intimidating force.
I would think rather than being 'OT' as far as knowing just where to be at the same
coincidental time, it was more walkie talkie tech that showed his communications link to
somewheres else. However when the camera raised, he made off fast.
We then went on to Hollywood Blvd where the L Ron Hubbard Life Exhibit building and what I
understand to be the Office of Special Affairs. There is quite a bit more activity here, with
people bustling around the town. Most of the $cientologists that we saw so far were outfitted
in dark slacks and light colored shirts, blue I think.
Everyone notes that the doors in the side entrance of the building are no longer see through
and this is the entrance where most of the activity was. There were very few that used the main
entrance on Hollywood. One unmarked busload arrived with not more than 4 people and were
quickly whisked inside the building. Many people took flyers and several people stopped to
share what they knew about Scientology.
This was an interesting area to picket as it was discovered that across the street on Hollywood
was a HELP tutoring center. Several of us went across the street and saw that there were
children inside. There were several partitioned light walls directly behind the front entrance.
Several of the children were unattended in the front of the building, frolicking and playing on
the ground. One woman approached us and asked questions regarding the place, because she knew
one of the tutors. She thought it was not directly tied to $cientology. She was informed that
the same methods used at the center were in fact the same ones that $cientology schools
employed for their own children and were part of Hubbard writings, now considered scripture.
Furthermore, it was explained that there were no studies in the educational realm that were to
prove it as the revolutionary method of instruction it claims to be, and it would be of
interest to read what some of the people in educational circles have said (documented on the
internet.) She was guided to read the studytech website on the internet as well as stories this
past year in the news. She was given several flyers which she sat in her car and read.
It is interesting to picket. I have seen alot of people over time who pass up picketers when
they see them. When it comes to $cientology, most people read the sign and will then take a
flyer. Very few turned down flyers. Out of the very few who did not take a flyer, were people
entering the Scientology building. It must not have even mattered what we were handing out,
it's text or opinion. I think it is well known that $cientology has the reputation for
influencing what materials members may read. I had never seen this happen right in front of me,
and I can say that it speaks of a big problem, because how can $cientology actually know or
change what they will not even look at or read? How can prospective recruits to this faith be
told that they will have the utmost technology and power to communicate and then not even stop
to see what is being distributed? It's kind of sad to see, that just by standing out there with
a picket sign is enough to stop someone from communicating or even knowing or approaching a way
of being able to be 'at cause' over anything. This also suggests a view that can only be
against freedom of speech.
We stayed quite a while and then decided to go to lunch. Afterwards we headed on to the
$cientology Testing Center on Hollywood. It is on a corner, down from the infamous Hollywood
and Vine area. This is where Xenu accompanied the picket. Xenu of course is a direct descendant
of the scientific OT III scripture that is not introduced to Scientology members until they
have been prepared enough and have paid a good sum of money to know. This was the day that Xenu
wanted people to know how to get to the internet to learn more of his existence. Little kids
walking with their parents poked at him and some shared that they even had one too!
Xenu was a direct form of cult awareness-marketing - for major 'dissemination.'
Xenu is a great 'direct point of sale' learning tool that any picket should not be without.
Freedom of speech makes this all possible. Some knew the truth in an instant and some who
wanted to know more, took these wonderful cards that had been printed up with critical
information websites, thanks to another activist. After a while, Tory and I decided to take
Xenu further into the Hollywood & Vine area where there are many tourists. Several took
pictures with Xenu, and when some people saw the cards we were passing out, asked for one too.
Don't get me wrong here about Xenu. Xenu was not meant to set a joking and degrading example.
However with limited resources and without actual evidence of any such real existence, it would
be hard to make a proper representation of Xenu. A serious rendition of a Xenu may be too scary
for some people to handle and it's probably not a good idea to duplicate something that has
caused too many people to spend their entire life savings under much distress amongst other
things.
That was the extent of picketing for the day. There are many stories that were exchanged by
many of the people walking by, a definite idea that suggests the
topic of Scientology is out there. Many people learned something and so did we, who stood out
there listening to sad stories of people who could no longer communicate with their loved ones
or acquaintances.
We broke up the picket close to 4:30 and prepared to meet at Tory's house for a party. Grateful
to be invited, I helped Tory shop for some odds and ends to make the menu complete. No one was
going home hungry! Ida made a delicious ham and others brought some yummy things too. It was a
wonderful affair as there was plenty of food and conversation.
It was an honor to picket in the name of freedom of speech, and in memory of those who have
disconnected, cast away, and been lost to $cientology.
Feisty
P.S. Pictures posted on abs
Susan
"Feisty" <su...@skytoday.com> wrote in message
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Wonderful picket report Feisty. Congratulations on your first picket in LA.
Susan
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Magoo
"Feisty" <su...@skytoday.com> wrote in message
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>
Thanks Feisty.............great report!
It sure was fun picketing with you :) Now OSA can work their asses off to
try to figure out...
"Which one was Feisty".
Hahahahahaha......they didn't know you were so diverse!~
All the best...............
Tory/Magoo!
>
>
Graham Berry
researcher. Congratulations upon such a fine picketing style and an
excellant report.
Graham Berry
"Feisty" <su...@skytoday.com> wrote in message news:<zfGnb.6361$P%1.49...@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>...
Pts 2
It's kinda liberating isn't it?
Best,
Tom
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/Scientology/
Phil Chitester
>
> I attended the picket in Los Angeles on Saturday which began by the complex
> known as the 'Big Blue" on L Ron Hubbard Way. Being unfamiliar with the
> surroundings, it looked as though the entrance on the one side, across from
> Wendy's parking lot was some sort of postal outlet, because of the trucks in
> the driveway and the lettering on the side of the building that began IAS
> Western United States...
>
> It is hard to believe that this whole complex is a church, as the starkness
> of the outside and shoddy blue color overall, with lack of symbols made it
> hard to believe.
Appearances aside, they do make auditors and OTs there. You know
that, don't you?
Seems perfectly OK to the Scientologists. Doesn't it?
Who's odd? Them? Of course not.
It is of course the anti-Scientologist, the critic who is odd and it
certainly always shows.
Don't you know you're odd? Don't you know you're not normal?
I guess no one tells you. It being perhaps a waste of time.
Don't you know it's a Church?
> We walked down L Ron Hubbard Way and it was like a ghost town. One car
> driving down the street was occupied by a middle-aged male that flipped the
> bird as he drove by. Several Scientologists uttered the words from one picket
> sign -"Ron Hubbard Died on Psych Drugs' and started laughing. It was a long
> street to walk down and it appeared that as we got further down and back to
> our starting point, there were even fewer people than when we started. Hard
> to say how these buildings are utilized with so few people.
>
> As we got back to the area where our cars were parked, there was a biker
> patrol person waiting directly behind the one car, as though maybe he was to
> be an intimidating force. I would think rather than being 'OT' as far as
> knowing just where to be at the same coincidental time, it was more walkie
> talkie tech that showed his communications link to somewheres else. However
> when the camera raised, he made off fast.
>
> We then went on to Hollywood Blvd where the L Ron Hubbard Life Exhibit
> building and what I understand to be the Office of Special Affairs. There is
> quite a bit more activity here, with people bustling around the town. Most
> of the $cientologists that we saw so far were outfitted in dark slacks and
> light colored shirts, blue I think.
Were they good-looking or odd-looking? Were they exemplary, or
deficient?
Can't really say the truth here, huh?
> Everyone notes that the doors in the side entrance of the building are no
> longer see through and this is the entrance where most of the activity was.
> There were very few that used the main entrance on Hollywood. One unmarked
> busload arrived with not more than 4 people and were quickly whisked inside
> the building. Many people took flyers and several people stopped to share
> what they knew about Scientology.
>
> This was an interesting area to picket as it was discovered that across the
> street on Hollywood was a HELP tutoring center. Several of us went across the
> street and saw that there were children inside. There were several
> partitioned light walls directly behind the front entrance. Several of the
> children were unattended in the front of the building, frolicking and playing
> on the ground. One woman approached us and asked questions regarding the
> place, because she knew one of the tutors. She thought it was not directly
> tied to $cientology. She was informed that the same methods used at the
> center were in fact the same ones that $cientology schools employed for their
> own children and were part of Hubbard writings, now considered scripture.
>
> Furthermore, it was explained that there were no studies in the educational
> realm that were to prove it as the revolutionary method of instruction it
> claims to be, and it would be of interest to read what some of the people in
> educational circles have said (documented on the internet.) She was guided to
> read the studytech website on the internet as well as stories this past year
> in the news. She was given several flyers which she sat in her car and read.
Was there any truth to any derogatory comments about the study tech?
Of course not. The study tech is entirely effective and workable.
Isn't it? Of course it is.
> It is interesting to picket. I have seen alot of people over time who pass up
> picketers when they see them. When it comes to $cientology, most people read
> the sign and will then take a flyer. Very few turned down flyers. Out of the
> very few who did not take a flyer, were people entering the Scientology
> building. It must not have even mattered what we were handing out, it's text
> or opinion. I think it is well known that $cientology has the reputation for
> influencing what materials members may read. I had never seen this happen
> right in front of me, and I can say that it speaks of a big problem, because
> how can $cientology actually know or change what they will not even look at
> or read?
Reading lies which do not describe the true scene is useless in
evaluating or discovering where improvement should occur. But there
are always Scientologists somewhere reading everything.
Scientologists who can actually deal with the level of evil and the
threat which such lies pose to people's mentality. And deciding what
appropriate action should be taken to eradicate them. It's mainly a
resource and importance problem.
Why contribute to that which should be eradicated? Just evil?
I honestly find it quite hard to believe that you are unaware that you
are merely involved in a misinformation campaign. But stupidity is
probably your mainstay, too, if evil is not entirely your motive.
One need not worry about whether the Scientology Church is aware. One
only need worry that one oneself may get caught in one of its enemies'
traps, by accidentally thinking that apostate lies could actually be
the slightest bit true. Which of course is probably all too
commonplace.
But that is a trap. It was/is designed that way by the enemy. Even
fools who fall into traps can get right out of them, really. It is
just another lie that they can't.
People who believe apostate lies should just go to the Church and
enlist their help in straightening things out, if they still consider
themselves acceptable as regards the Church's help.
> How can prospective recruits to this faith be told that they will have the
> utmost technology and power to communicate and then not even stop to see what
> is being distributed?
It is so obvious (it's all been inspected) that whatever you are
peddling is not at all designed to help anyone to attain any true
understanding or perception of real truth with regard to Scientology.
It is all riddled with mischaracterizations, generalities, untruths
and bias and is so ludicrous in quantity of fact as to be not worth
reading at all. Quite the contrary.
You simply don't wish to believe any such thing. Do you?
That's fine, but why wish others to be duped and harmed, too? Why
undermine others' lives, too? It must be a hidden evil impulse.
Can you answer the questions? Perhaps you believe you are doing
something virtuous when in fact you are doing something quite
disasterous and have no capacity to confront that now. No ability to
criticize yourself to that degree.
I don't particularly blame you. If I was in your position, I wouldn't
wish to believe it either. If I cognited on it, I would probably wish
myself dead. So, survival for you probably depends on only believing
the apostate lies and innuendo and never believing the truth.
For me, those lies are easy to discard. I know many Scientologists
and they never lie to me and there is nothing particularly wrong with
the Church, it is only found to be just too good to be believed by
some, like perhaps yourself.
Why not take some time away from the critic cult, and let the truth
that is in Scientology sink in? Scientology (as designed) only
benefits people.
Anti-Scientology only hurts people.
In my position it is quite hard to figure out how to do people like
yourself any good. And it is not delusion which compels me to write
this. It is just my compassion -- what little I have left after
having been burned quite severely by the a.r.s. and the Freezone and
seen many people (apparently) fall prey to the psych-backed brainwash
which in its simplicity says "Good -- Scientology -- is actually bad
-- Psychiatry."
Scientology is not bad nor psychiatry, it is good spiritual technology
and has nothing to do with any destructive practice which preceded it
on this planet.
If that is so hard for people to get over, perhaps they should just
stay away from it.
> It's kind of sad to see, that just by standing out there with a picket sign
> is enough to stop someone from communicating or even knowing or approaching a
> way of being able to be 'at cause' over anything.
Keeping away from something which could contaminate one or reduce
one's survival is logical and reasonable.
There is nothing in a picket which could improve anyone's cause level.
That is just hogwash (what you are implying).
Scientology is the only thing which is proven could realistically
improve one's cause level. What goes on 'inside' the Church is what
is effective.
And nothing in any squirrel or splinter group either.
> This also suggests a view that can only be against freedom of speech.
The freedom you desire or are requesting is the freedom to destroy or
slander, not the freedom of 'speech.' Your argument is stupid and
banal. You are looking for the freedom to harmfully lie. It is not
in the constitution. It is not in the law. That would be ridiculous.
You people ARE ridiculous. Utterly. But perhaps you are just pawns.
<snip inane derogatory hogwash>
>
> That was the extent of picketing for the day. There are many stories that
> were exchanged by many of the people walking by, a definite idea that
> suggests the topic of Scientology is out there. Many people learned something
> and so did we, who stood out there listening to sad stories of people who
> could no longer communicate with their loved ones or acquaintances.
Slandering a very dedicated and virtuous Church in the name of evil,
debased, psychiatric vested interests just makes you look ridiculous
(actually like an axe murderer -- no costume needed for Halloween) and
of course completely disabuses anyone of any virtuousity in your
character.
Any of your friends cared to point that out to you yet? No, they'd
rather you continued to be in the dark.
That's the kind of friends you have.
My friends tell me the truth -- that I'm an ugly, downstat, worthless,
exasperatingly non-compliant individual, who only posts on a.r.s to
boost up his ego and strengthen his delusions of grandeur and hardly
ever really cares about anyone on here's future sanity or survival.
If that wasn't true, then would I be posting? Of course not.
Doesn't that sound like Scientologists are honest? It sounds that way
to me. And of course they've said a lot more than that, too.
I only wish I was virtuous, they actually are.
> We broke up the picket close to 4:30 and prepared to meet at Tory's house for
> a party. Grateful to be invited, I helped Tory shop for some odds and ends to
> make the menu complete. No one was going home hungry! Ida made a delicious
> ham and others brought some yummy things too. It was a wonderful affair as
> there was plenty of food and conversation.
>
> It was an honor to picket in the name of freedom of speech, and in memory of
> those who have disconnected, cast away, and been lost to $cientology.
You people have lost Scientology, there is the true loss. You aren't
necessarily a loss to Scientology.
And of course, neither am I particularly. But I don't go around
trying to brainwash people with completely untrue derogatory lies
about the subject.
>
> Feisty
>
> P.S. Pictures posted on abs
Just listen to the truth. Don't buy the lies. Unless you wish to be
misinformed and harmed.
I certainly don't want that.
Phil
Revd. Norle Enturbulata
"Phil Chitester" <dpchi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Feisty" <su...@skytoday.com> wrote in message
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> > Well Finally!
> >
> > I attended the picket in Los Angeles on Saturday which began by the
complex
> > known as the 'Big Blue" on L Ron Hubbard Way. Being unfamiliar with the
> > surroundings, it looked as though the entrance on the one side, across
from
> > Wendy's parking lot was some sort of postal outlet, because of the
trucks in
> > the driveway and the lettering on the side of the building that began
IAS
> > Western United States...
> >
> > It is hard to believe that this whole complex is a church, as the
starkness
> > of the outside and shoddy blue color overall, with lack of symbols made
it
> > hard to believe.
>
> Appearances aside, they do make auditors and OTs there. You know
> that, don't you?
That makes the complex both appear shoddy and serve shoddy purposes.
$cientologists' taste is usually in their shoe any way. If they can afford
shoes.
> Don't you know it's a Church?
"Scientology...is not a psycho-therapy nor a religion."
- LRH's "Creation of Human Ability" p251
"Non-descript blanklings" might do just fine.
> Can't really say the truth here, huh?
Why can't you, Phil?
There always is. But you know this.
> Of course not. The study tech is entirely effective and workable.
> Isn't it? Of course it is.
Phil thinks that by typing this, it will help him to actually believe what
he typed. Which will of course make it true. Right, Philsie?
> > It is interesting to picket. I have seen alot of people over time who
pass up
> > picketers when they see them. When it comes to $cientology, most people
read
> > the sign and will then take a flyer. Very few turned down flyers. Out of
the
> > very few who did not take a flyer, were people entering the Scientology
> > building. It must not have even mattered what we were handing out, it's
text
> > or opinion. I think it is well known that $cientology has the reputation
for
> > influencing what materials members may read. I had never seen this
happen
> > right in front of me, and I can say that it speaks of a big problem,
because
> > how can $cientology actually know or change what they will not even look
at
> > or read?
>
> Reading lies which do not describe the true scene is useless in
> evaluating or discovering where improvement should occur. But there
> are always Scientologists somewhere reading everything.
So long as it's HubbardSpew(r).
> Scientologists who can actually deal with the level of evil and the
> threat which such lies pose to people's mentality. And deciding what
> appropriate action should be taken to eradicate them. It's mainly a
> resource and importance problem.
Could you expand on the use of that word "eradicate" for us and all the
folks at home, Philsie? Be specific.
We're waiting.
--
Rev. Norle Enturbulata
"Church" of Cartoonism
*
"Better than 90 percent of what my
father has written about himself is untrue."
- Ron deWolf, son of L. Ron Hubbard
Invader Zim
> "Feisty" <su...@skytoday.com> wrote in message news:<zfGnb.6361$P%1.49...@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>...
>
>>Well Finally!
>>
>>I attended the picket in Los Angeles on Saturday which began by the complex
>>known as the 'Big Blue" on L Ron Hubbard Way. Being unfamiliar with the
>>surroundings, it looked as though the entrance on the one side, across from
>>Wendy's parking lot was some sort of postal outlet, because of the trucks in
>>the driveway and the lettering on the side of the building that began IAS
>>Western United States...
>>
>>It is hard to believe that this whole complex is a church, as the starkness
>>of the outside and shoddy blue color overall, with lack of symbols made it
>>hard to believe.
>
>
> Appearances aside, they do make auditors and OTs there. You know
> that, don't you?
Appearances aside is out-tech. Scientology is consumed with
presentation, not content, don't you think? They don't "make OTs there."
There is no such thing as an OT, or we wouldn't be here.
No, not at all. Nothing odd about a freak group who charges the price of
a nice luxury boat to learn all about an Evil Galactic Overlord. Happens
every day.
>
> It is of course the anti-Scientologist, the critic who is odd and it
> certainly always shows.
>
> Don't you know you're odd? Don't you know you're not normal?
>
> I guess no one tells you. It being perhaps a waste of time.
Right. I'd rather buy a nice yacht than learn about dead space cooties
and evil galactic overlords from a two-bit, penny a word, drug addict
alcoholic pulp fiction author. But, that's just me...
>
> Don't you know it's a Church?
Don't you know it's a Scam?
>
>
>>We walked down L Ron Hubbard Way and it was like a ghost town. One car
>>driving down the street was occupied by a middle-aged male that flipped the
>>bird as he drove by. Several Scientologists uttered the words from one picket
>>sign -"Ron Hubbard Died on Psych Drugs' and started laughing. It was a long
>>street to walk down and it appeared that as we got further down and back to
>>our starting point, there were even fewer people than when we started. Hard
>>to say how these buildings are utilized with so few people.
>>
>>As we got back to the area where our cars were parked, there was a biker
>>patrol person waiting directly behind the one car, as though maybe he was to
>>be an intimidating force. I would think rather than being 'OT' as far as
>>knowing just where to be at the same coincidental time, it was more walkie
>>talkie tech that showed his communications link to somewheres else. However
>>when the camera raised, he made off fast.
>>
>>We then went on to Hollywood Blvd where the L Ron Hubbard Life Exhibit
>>building and what I understand to be the Office of Special Affairs. There is
>>quite a bit more activity here, with people bustling around the town. Most
>>of the $cientologists that we saw so far were outfitted in dark slacks and
>>light colored shirts, blue I think.
>
>
> Were they good-looking or odd-looking? Were they exemplary, or
> deficient?
Does it matter to anyone but a Scientologist? Image...not content, seems
so important to you.
Who cares what they looked like? And if you do, why? And moreover, why
do all the KRs on pickets seem to focus on what we look like as critics?
You probably haven't a clue when you rank on me, that my leather jacket
cost more than your pathetic publics get in a year. Word clear Hein
Gericke...
>
> Can't really say the truth here, huh?
Sure we can. It's relevance that counts. Since you're dedicated to
"communication by obfuscation," you wouldn't really understand that.
No, of course not. But since "what's true is what's true for you," the
truth is only a passing Hubbardian fancy for you, isn't it?
barb
Feisty
Susan <enlighte...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Thanks Susan!
Feisty
>
> Susan
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>
Feisty
Magoo <Mag...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:3f9f...@news2.lightlink.com...
> Thanks Feisty.............great report!
Thanks to you too Tory :)))
>
> It sure was fun picketing with you :)
Likewise :))) you are very spontaneous and free-- you rock!
Now OSA can work their asses off to
> try to figure out...
> "Which one was Feisty".
oooh! I better put on a Halloween costume!
> Hahahahahaha......they didn't know you were so diverse!~
and many more are too. It comes with freedom :)))
Feisty
>
> All the best...............
:)))))
>
> Tory/Magoo!
> >
> >
>
>
Feisty
Graham Berry <grah...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> It was a privilege to finally meet such a great human being and
> researcher. Congratulations upon such a fine picketing style and an
> excellant report.
Thanks Graham! Nice to meet you too. :-)
Feisty
Pts 2 <pt...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Great report Feisty. And congrats on your 1st!
> It's kinda liberating isn't it?
Very enlightening, thanks Tom!
Feisty
>
> Best,
>
> Tom
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/Scientology/
>
Hartley Patterson
> Reading lies which do not describe the true scene is useless in
> evaluating or discovering where improvement should occur. But there
> are always Scientologists somewhere reading everything.
> Scientologists who can actually deal with the level of evil and the
> threat which such lies pose to people's mentality. And deciding what
> appropriate action should be taken to eradicate them. It's mainly a
> resource and importance problem.
If Scientology Worked, it would have given you the ability to write
easily understandable English, with connected and grammatically correct
sentences. In my experience CoS loyalists become progressively more able
to be in comm with other CoS loyalists, less able to communicate with
the evil wog world.
--
"I just might be the angel at your door"
A medieval spreadsheet, enturbulating entheta and
how to outrun Thread.
http://www.newsfrombree.co.uk
Phil Chitester
> "Phil Chitester" <dpchi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:b24952a.03102...@posting.google.com...
> > "Feisty" <su...@skytoday.com> wrote in message
> news:<zfGnb.6361$P%1.49...@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>...
> > > Well Finally!
> > >
> > > I attended the picket in Los Angeles on Saturday which began by the
> complex
> > > known as the 'Big Blue" on L Ron Hubbard Way. Being unfamiliar with the
> > > surroundings, it looked as though the entrance on the one side, across
> from
> > > Wendy's parking lot was some sort of postal outlet, because of the
> trucks in
> > > the driveway and the lettering on the side of the building that began
> IAS
> > > Western United States...
> > >
> > > It is hard to believe that this whole complex is a church, as the
> starkness
> > > of the outside and shoddy blue color overall, with lack of symbols made
> it
> > > hard to believe.
> >
> > Appearances aside, they do make auditors and OTs there. You know
> > that, don't you?
>
> That makes the complex both appear shoddy and serve shoddy purposes.
OTs are a big loss to mankind. They just won't 'think within
psychiatry's box' anymore. They just won't align with psychiatric
vested interests.
That sure is shoddy of them.
Church but not a religion. The Church... without any soul-damaging
intrusions into the 8th dynamic. That sounds like a first.
Not a suppressive control group. Perhaps that's what upsets its
detractors the most.
I see. All that's perceivable by critics is that which is comparable
to themselves.
> > Can't really say the truth here, huh?
>
> Why can't you, Phil?
Perhaps it is too incredibly good (what the Church is doing) to put
into words. Perhaps it is too woefully bad (what the critics are
doing) to even think about.
Microscopicly? Perhaps you're right.
> > Of course not. The study tech is entirely effective and workable.
> > Isn't it? Of course it is.
>
> Phil thinks that by typing this, it will help him to actually believe what
> he typed. Which will of course make it true. Right, Philsie?
That's correct. And it better work. If I can't even brainwash myself
on a.r.s, how can I hope to brainwash others?
The study tech works... the study tech works... the study tech
works...
> > > It is interesting to picket. I have seen alot of people over time who
> pass up
> > > picketers when they see them. When it comes to $cientology, most people
> read
> > > the sign and will then take a flyer. Very few turned down flyers. Out of
> the
> > > very few who did not take a flyer, were people entering the Scientology
> > > building. It must not have even mattered what we were handing out, it's
> text
> > > or opinion. I think it is well known that $cientology has the reputation
> for
> > > influencing what materials members may read. I had never seen this
> happen
> > > right in front of me, and I can say that it speaks of a big problem,
> because
> > > how can $cientology actually know or change what they will not even look
> at
> > > or read?
> >
> > Reading lies which do not describe the true scene is useless in
> > evaluating or discovering where improvement should occur. But there
> > are always Scientologists somewhere reading everything.
>
> So long as it's HubbardSpew(r).
All one really needs to read is LRH.
> > Scientologists who can actually deal with the level of evil and the
> > threat which such lies pose to people's mentality. And deciding what
> > appropriate action should be taken to eradicate them. It's mainly a
> > resource and importance problem.
>
> Could you expand on the use of that word "eradicate" for us and all the
> folks at home, Philsie? Be specific.
>
> We're waiting.
Flyer pulping. Book burning. CD melting. Hard disk degaussing.
Network dismantling. Critic jailing. An all around environmental
cleanup and decontamination.
Anyone see a problem with that?
Phil
Zinj
dpchi...@yahoo.com says...
> "Revd. Norle Enturbulata" <nopeeart...@norhotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3fa0...@news2.lightlink.com>...
<snip>
> > > Scientologists who can actually deal with the level of evil and the
> > > threat which such lies pose to people's mentality. And deciding what
> > > appropriate action should be taken to eradicate them. It's mainly a
> > > resource and importance problem.
> >
> > Could you expand on the use of that word "eradicate" for us and all the
> > folks at home, Philsie? Be specific.
> >
> > We're waiting.
>
> Flyer pulping. Book burning. CD melting. Hard disk degaussing.
> Network dismantling. Critic jailing. An all around environmental
> cleanup and decontamination.
>
> Anyone see a problem with that?
>
> Phil
Well, there are a couple of things. For one, it is nice that
you're willing to say so outright, while the 'Church' studiously
avoids doing so, especially in (wog) 'public', but even for
internal consumption. Hubbard was much more open about his aims,
although, he mumbled his share of weasle words, and probably
didn't expect the *others* to be read by the wogs.
Second problem is that 'jailing critics' is inefficient and
expensive. R2-45 is cheaper, more permanent and in the long run
more compassionate once we get to a 'Clear Planet' when it can
be done openly. After all, it's just taking away the 'critic''
meat-bodies, and giving them a new chance. Right?
I bet that if the 'Church' of Scientology was honest enough to
announce publicly that 'The Church of Scientology intends to
Clear the Planet. By that we mean bring all of society into 100%
compliance with Scientology. This means destroying all
'entheta', whether books, pamphlets, CD's, films; in fact *all*
comm that contains entheta. Spreading entheta, or even harboring
entheta as thought silently is de jure and de facto evidence of
Suppression, which is a high crime. Suppressive people will be
'disconnected' from 'sane' society by either locking them away
in what could be called 'concentration camps', or preferably by
killing them in order to allow them a chance at a new life
without aberration' that most of us 'Scientology Critics'
would'nt need to do any more public education, and could get
back to playing computer games.
Don't you think so? Wouldn't such honesty be a very 'theta'
thing? Don't you agree that that would be honest?
Zinj
--
ScientologyŽ - Deliberately killing no more than 0.5 percent of
its members since 1953
Phil Chitester
> Phil Chitester:
>
> > Reading lies which do not describe the true scene is useless in
> > evaluating or discovering where improvement should occur. But there
> > are always Scientologists somewhere reading everything.
> > Scientologists who can actually deal with the level of evil and the
> > threat which such lies pose to people's mentality. And deciding what
> > appropriate action should be taken to eradicate them. It's mainly a
> > resource and importance problem.
The English in that paragraph is rather dreamy. So I'm not sure I had
very much to do with writing it.
Right?
I mean, why would *I* write something like that?
> If Scientology Worked, it would have given you the ability to write
> easily understandable English, with connected and grammatically correct
> sentences.
If you had understood plain English perhaps you would have not become
a critic of Scientology.
> In my experience CoS loyalists become progressively more able
> to be in comm with other CoS loyalists, less able to communicate with
> the evil wog world.
Scientologists are improving their communication ability and the
'wogs' are actually getting worse. You just wish everyone to overlook
that part about the 'wogs' actually getting worse, and wish to blame
their lessened ability on the Scientologists, who are improving. That
makes little sense.
But perhaps it is just because 'wogs' become less interesting and
indeed exasperating to the Scientologists who are having much more fun
with their ethical Scn friends. I think that is only natural, and
'just too bad' for the 'wogs.' The 'wogs' are simply not 'coming
along.' They are not 'complying.' That is their fault or deficiency
and it is just up to them to avail themselves.
Improvement is Scientology's middle name.
You understand that sentence. Right?
Phil
Zinj
> perhaps it is just because 'wogs' become less interesting and
> indeed exasperating to the Scientologists who are having much more fun
> with their ethical Scn friends. I think that is only natural, and
> 'just too bad' for the 'wogs.' The 'wogs' are simply not 'coming
> along.' They are not 'complying.' That is their fault or deficiency
> and it is just up to them to avail themselves.
>
> Improvement is Scientology's middle name.
>
> You understand that sentence. Right?
>
> Phil
(waving hand) I do! I do!
Kind of like saying metastasizing is just a cancer cell's way of
'improving'.
Revd. Norle Enturbulata
They don't exist, either. How clever!
> That sure is shoddy of them.
Nah, just people who try to sell such slop are shoddy.
Bad mirroring, dupe. Doesn't work on wogs(r).
> > > Can't really say the truth here, huh?
> >
> > Why can't you, Phil?
>
> Perhaps it is too incredibly good (what the Church is doing) to put
> into words. Perhaps it is too woefully bad (what the critics are
> doing) to even think about.
Or you just have no frigging idea what to say. Thanks for sharing.
You have enough documented (via ars) failures to this KSW effort on a.r.s.
to already convince everyone that it's not working.
> The study tech works... the study tech works... the study tech
> works...
Zzzzz.
Like I said. The writings of a demented dwarf-boffer.
> > > Scientologists who can actually deal with the level of evil and the
> > > threat which such lies pose to people's mentality. And deciding what
> > > appropriate action should be taken to eradicate them. It's mainly a
> > > resource and importance problem.
> >
> > Could you expand on the use of that word "eradicate" for us and all the
> > folks at home, Philsie? Be specific.
> >
> > We're waiting.
>
> Flyer pulping. Book burning. CD melting. Hard disk degaussing.
> Network dismantling. Critic jailing. An all around environmental
> cleanup and decontamination.
That close to Gold Base, huh? Is it getting warmer, clam?
> Anyone see a problem with that?
Anyone who believes in free speech, bub. Next!
Phil Chitester
> Phil Chitester wrote:
> > "Feisty" <su...@skytoday.com> wrote in message news:<zfGnb.6361$P%1.49...@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>...
> >
> >>Well Finally!
> >>
> >>I attended the picket in Los Angeles on Saturday which began by the complex
> >>known as the 'Big Blue" on L Ron Hubbard Way. Being unfamiliar with the
> >>surroundings, it looked as though the entrance on the one side, across from
> >>Wendy's parking lot was some sort of postal outlet, because of the trucks in
> >>the driveway and the lettering on the side of the building that began IAS
> >>Western United States...
> >>
> >>It is hard to believe that this whole complex is a church, as the starkness
> >>of the outside and shoddy blue color overall, with lack of symbols made it
> >>hard to believe.
> >
> >
> > Appearances aside, they do make auditors and OTs there. You know
> > that, don't you?
>
> Appearances aside is out-tech.
If you say so.
> Scientology is consumed with presentation, not content, don't you think?
Quite the opposite. They spend their money on getting results. Case
gain. You know. That thing you just can't get any of anymore, so all
you can find to spend your money on is expensive clothes?
> They don't "make OTs there."
They make auditors -- people who can free beings. They make pre-OTs.
On the Freewinds then.
> There is no such thing as an OT, or we wouldn't be here.
Part of being OT must be an exceedingly large or even infinite ability
to restrain oneself even when one is given overwhelmingly large and
persuasive reasons to be harmful or vengeful. Yes, freedom from
overwhelm must go right along with that sort of ability, because that
is all that we are seeing being displayed.
There are thousands of OTs or pre-OTs now. Perhaps none of them will
ever lose control and harm anyone, no matter what any of the weak
little critics do to try and provoke or anger them.
The Bridge is much more than that. It's about actually undoing any
damage to individuals which may have occurred in the past due to
deleterious choices which were made. And there is a lot of that and a
lot to that.
And it is a miracle that such a route exists; it wasn't in existence
nor was there a real definite guarantee that it ever would.
To criticize it is just to expose one's utter stupidity and degree of
negative worth. Such things can't necessarily be covered up with
expensive clothes.
> > It is of course the anti-Scientologist, the critic who is odd and it
> > certainly always shows.
> >
> > Don't you know you're odd? Don't you know you're not normal?
> >
> > I guess no one tells you. It being perhaps a waste of time.
>
> Right. I'd rather buy a nice yacht than learn about dead space cooties
> and evil galactic overlords from a two-bit, penny a word, drug addict
> alcoholic pulp fiction author. But, that's just me...
I'd rather you were bankrupt. That would more closely match your
level of actual worth to society. Don't you think so?
> > Don't you know it's a Church?
>
> Don't you know it's a Scam?
If I thought or knew it was a Scam and was evil, like yourself, I
would lie about that incessantly until people were dragged into,
confused by and entrapped in it or in false data about it and harmed.
I guess that is what critics really wish for -- that people get
scammed.
Here, of course, the real scam is the misinformation which is being
perpetrated about it, by ex-Scientologists.
But it is much more probable that that happens to people such as
yourself who desire that to happen to others. Isn't that the truth?
Why else would you be trying to put people's attention on what YOU say
is a Scam, except that you want them to end up feeling defrauded
before they even find out the truth about it?
The truth is that the Church is not deserving of any criticism, which
is why you persist in doing so. If it was, you wouldn't bother doing
so, because you are evil. If it was, it would be 'doing its job' in
your mind and you would leave it alone, and even encourage people to
get into it.
You only criticize the Church because it *doesn't* deserve any
criticism.
> >>We walked down L Ron Hubbard Way and it was like a ghost town. One car
> >>driving down the street was occupied by a middle-aged male that flipped the
> >>bird as he drove by. Several Scientologists uttered the words from one picket
> >>sign -"Ron Hubbard Died on Psych Drugs' and started laughing. It was a long
> >>street to walk down and it appeared that as we got further down and back to
> >>our starting point, there were even fewer people than when we started. Hard
> >>to say how these buildings are utilized with so few people.
> >>
> >>As we got back to the area where our cars were parked, there was a biker
> >>patrol person waiting directly behind the one car, as though maybe he was to
> >>be an intimidating force. I would think rather than being 'OT' as far as
> >>knowing just where to be at the same coincidental time, it was more walkie
> >>talkie tech that showed his communications link to somewheres else. However
> >>when the camera raised, he made off fast.
> >>
> >>We then went on to Hollywood Blvd where the L Ron Hubbard Life Exhibit
> >>building and what I understand to be the Office of Special Affairs. There is
> >>quite a bit more activity here, with people bustling around the town. Most
> >>of the $cientologists that we saw so far were outfitted in dark slacks and
> >>light colored shirts, blue I think.
Why bring that up?
> > Were they good-looking or odd-looking?
I guess we know that answer already.
> Were they exemplary, or deficient?
This answer too is obvious and already known.
> Does it matter to anyone but a Scientologist?
Of course not. If it did, then critics would certainly bring it up.
Wouldn't they?
> Image...not content, seems so important to you.
I've got the wrong importances? Go figure.
> Who cares what they looked like?
Beats me.
> And if you do, why? And moreover, why do all the KRs on pickets seem to focus
> on what we look like as critics?
Beats me.
> You probably haven't a clue when you rank on me, that my leather jacket
> cost more than your pathetic publics get in a year.
I'm sure that for people like yourself the return on such an
investment is awesome. And that you never have to think about how
such an amount of money would feed quite a few of the homeless around
Thanksgiving.
Today I received a really nice and warm down jacket for free, from a
virtuous and prosperous local Church. It is much more valuable than
yours, because I did not purchase it with any 'wages of sin.'
What will any Church ever give YOU? What have you ever given ME or my
fellow human beings save insane mistreatment, abuse, underhanded
backstabbing, invalidation and misevaluation?
Where do you get off thinking that it is 'just' for you to continually
harm others and get off scot free?
> Word clear Hein Gericke...
Word clear the word truth.
> > Can't really say the truth here, huh?
>
> Sure we can. It's relevance that counts. Since you're dedicated to
> "communication by obfuscation," you wouldn't really understand that.
Obfuscation is for you German Nazi psychiatrist types. You have
plenty of work to do -- fruitless though it actually all is. Don't
cognite that you'll never win -- that would be wising up.
I'm understanding that you merely wish that you could make people
think I was obfuscating or covering something up (which I'm not), but
are way beyond despondent that you never will convince anyone of any
such thing, since I am always up front and honest and have nothing
particularly to hide whatsoever.
Neither does Scientology. Never has.
Too bad for you.
I don't. You do. And you don't wish to admit it either.
> But since "what's true is what's true for you,"
No, the truth is the truth. That is not necessarily what *I* think it
is.
> the truth is
Is it?
> only a
What? The truth is only what?
> passing Hubbardian fancy for you,
I've personally never heard of that sort of thing, so that couldn't be
true.
> isn't it?
Nope.
> barb
The evil Bitch from Berlinski. Or Auschwitz. Or somewhere else.
Man, this one could use incarceration -- of indefinite length.
Wise up FBI -- here's one of your perpetrators.
Phil
Zinj
> Part of being OT must be an exceedingly large or even infinite ability
> to restrain oneself even when one is given overwhelmingly large and
> persuasive reasons to be harmful or vengeful. Yes, freedom from
> overwhelm must go right along with that sort of ability, because that
> is all that we are seeing being displayed.
>
> There are thousands of OTs or pre-OTs now. Perhaps none of them will
> ever lose control and harm anyone, no matter what any of the weak
> little critics do to try and provoke or anger them.
But Phil, you've already told us the OT's are 'harming you' or
at least trying to.
Besides, Hubbard himself instructed Scientologists to 'harm'
critics and SP's and and and... And quite obviously they *do*
try. Very hard even. Just not very successfully.
The problems arise when they *do* manage to harm someone, which,
while seldom compared to the attempts, is still too much to
consider acceptable.
On the other hand, the 'harm' is always pretty mundane and 'non-
OT'; no reports of frying cockroaches or flying ashtray
assaults.
> > >>We then went on to Hollywood Blvd where the L Ron Hubbard Life Exhibit
> > >>building and what I understand to be the Office of Special Affairs. There is
> > >>quite a bit more activity here, with people bustling around the town. Most
> > >>of the $cientologists that we saw so far were outfitted in dark slacks and
> > >>light colored shirts, blue I think.
>
> Why bring that up?
Because it addresses the embarassing truth that it took more
than 25 years for the Cult to realize that the fraudulent
'Navy' uniforms were a PR flap, and start hiding their Sea Org
slaves in dockers and polo shirts.
Hubbard couldn't have been very bright not to recognize that
very simple and blatant fact.
Shy David
wrote:
> OTs are a big loss to mankind.
So are fairies, elves, and leprechauns.
--
http://www.freepress.org/departments.php?strFunc=display&strID=431&strYear=2003&strDept=20
US Senator Robert Byrd, on the floor of Congress, on October 17, has
explicitly compared the Bush media operation to that run by Herman
Goering, mastermind of the Nazi putsch against the German people.
Hartley Patterson
> Improvement is Scientology's middle name.
>
> You understand that sentence. Right?
Yes. You're a troll. <plonk>, as they say. I really don't think trolling
is either funny or, on this newsgroup, ethical.
Richard Bell
Phil Chitester <dpchi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Part of being OT must be an exceedingly large or even infinite ability
>to restrain oneself even when one is given overwhelmingly large and
>persuasive reasons to be harmful or vengeful. Yes, freedom from
>overwhelm must go right along with that sort of ability, because that
>is all that we are seeing being displayed.
>
>There are thousands of OTs or pre-OTs now. Perhaps none of them will
>ever lose control and harm anyone, no matter what any of the weak
>little critics do to try and provoke or anger them.
But where is the harm in ending criticism? The critics have it coming.
they need to be isolated for the good of the rest of humanity. For an
OT to NOT employ its powers over MEST to ksw is an absurd proposition.
If they won't seperate suppressives from rest of humanity, or won't stop
the spread of entheta, than the OT's are not behaving ethically (using the
Hubbard definition). Therefore, the only supportable reason for OT's to not
postulate criticism and suppressives out of existence is their inability to
do so, or that no such OT abilities exist.
>
>You only criticize the Church because it *doesn't* deserve any
>criticism.
Than why would anybody leave?
Phil Chitester
> In article <b24952a.03103...@posting.google.com>,
> dpchi...@yahoo.com says...
> > "Revd. Norle Enturbulata" <nopeeart...@norhotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3fa0...@news2.lightlink.com>...
>
> <snip>
>
> > > > Scientologists who can actually deal with the level of evil and the
> > > > threat which such lies pose to people's mentality. And deciding what
> > > > appropriate action should be taken to eradicate them. It's mainly a
> > > > resource and importance problem.
> > >
> > > Could you expand on the use of that word "eradicate" for us and all the
> > > folks at home, Philsie? Be specific.
> > >
> > > We're waiting.
> >
> > Flyer pulping. Book burning. CD melting. Hard disk degaussing.
> > Network dismantling. Critic jailing. An all around environmental
> > cleanup and decontamination.
> >
> > Anyone see a problem with that?
> >
> > Phil
>
> Well, there are a couple of things. For one, it is nice that
> you're willing to say so outright, while the 'Church' studiously
> avoids doing so, especially in (wog) 'public', but even for
> internal consumption.
I hope the Church succeeds (I can't see any reason why anyone
wouldn't).
> Hubbard was much more open about his aims,
> although, he mumbled his share of weasle words, and probably
> didn't expect the *others* to be read by the wogs.
I doubt he predicted so many would betray his trust. Or he figured
that if that happened, there wouldn't be any particular hope for it
anyway. Or it just isn't such a big deal as all the 'critical
thinking' may make it appear to be.
> Second problem is that 'jailing critics' is inefficient and
> expensive. R2-45 is cheaper, more permanent and in the long run
> more compassionate once we get to a 'Clear Planet' when it can
> be done openly.
That sounds much better. Thanks for contributing that positive,
uplifting comment. Really. You're subliminally becoming a Hubbard
supporter, I can tell.
The brainwash works! The brainwash works!
> After all, it's just taking away the 'critic'' meat-bodies, and giving them a
> new chance. Right?
Perhaps they are too unlikely to change though, and imprisonment,
although expensive, handles the problem. Detection each lifetime and
incarceration or quarantine.
What about a mountain trap though? Anyone at Hewlett-Packard done the
research into how that's done? Surely critics would have no ability
to escape those, since they haven't yet done the OT levels. Woops!
Some have! I guess it is too late for that.
> I bet that if the 'Church' of Scientology was honest enough to
> announce publicly that 'The Church of Scientology intends to
> Clear the Planet. By that we mean bring all of society into 100%
> compliance with Scientology.
Unlike what you might be implying, everyone would benefit from that!
> This means destroying all
> 'entheta', whether books, pamphlets, CD's, films; in fact *all*
> comm that contains entheta. Spreading entheta, or even harboring
> entheta as thought silently is de jure and de facto evidence of
> Suppression, which is a high crime. Suppressive people will be
> 'disconnected' from 'sane' society by either locking them away
> in what could be called 'concentration camps', or preferably by
> killing them in order to allow them a chance at a new life
> without aberration' that most of us 'Scientology Critics'
> would'nt need to do any more public education, and could get
> back to playing computer games.
Sounds great!
> Don't you think so? Wouldn't such honesty be a very 'theta'
> thing? Don't you agree that that would be honest?
Not too good-looking for 'raw public' though. None too impressive if
one doesn't get the drift about your critical (criminal) mind.
> Zinj
You've really been studying up. Much better at study than myself.
Probably why you still have a job.
Too bad you misinterpret Hubbard's pro-survival ideas so negatively.
He is simply talking about getting rid of deleterious factors. No
clues how to specifically eliminate your stupidity yet, except perhaps
for applying standard tech to it.
Keep studying. Maybe someday you'll cognite and make disposal
unnecessary. Then again, maybe not.
You're not such a bad fellow really, all things considered. Are you?
Or are you just one of those typical electro-shocking, psych-drugging
evil-doers?
Phil
Phil Chitester
> Phil Chitester:
> > Improvement is Scientology's middle name.
> >
> > You understand that sentence. Right?
>
> Yes. You're a troll. <plonk>, as they say. I really don't think trolling
> is either funny or, on this newsgroup, ethical.
Is there anything on here that bears any comparison to anything
ethical?
If so, why does the FBI monitor a.r.s? Have they 'gone into
agreement' with the Church? Have they 'gone effect' of Church
brainwashing?
Isn't it quite astounding that such ethical people believe in people
acting ethically and fail to believe you liars and cowards?
Phil
Phil Chitester
24hr filter.)
Zinj <zinj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1a0b4307...@news2.lightlink.com>...
> In article <b24952a.03103...@posting.google.com>,
> dpchi...@yahoo.com says...
>
> > Part of being OT must be an exceedingly large or even infinite ability
> > to restrain oneself even when one is given overwhelmingly large and
> > persuasive reasons to be harmful or vengeful. Yes, freedom from
> > overwhelm must go right along with that sort of ability, because that
> > is all that we are seeing being displayed.
> >
> > There are thousands of OTs or pre-OTs now. Perhaps none of them will
> > ever lose control and harm anyone, no matter what any of the weak
> > little critics do to try and provoke or anger them.
>
> But Phil, you've already told us the OT's are 'harming you' or
> at least trying to.
I resumed reading/posting out of boredom recently as you know. There
has been no end of constant flack from the Church. They hate me, my
character, my postings, my positions, my intentions, etc., etc.
They are literally trying to drive me insane and of course that is
quite easy since there is so little distance to travel already there.
Some came from OSA Flag it was last night. I asked them "What ever
happened to Bob Minton? What did you guys do to him?" And they were
quite reticent to cough up an answer. I presume once they had him on
the base, they 'pulped' him. In other words, made a gibbering
vegetable out of him. Probably in an institution somewhere.
Would be interesting if critics could russle up some PI fees and
investigate.
> Besides, Hubbard himself instructed Scientologists to 'harm'
> critics and SP's and and and... And quite obviously they *do*
> try. Very hard even. Just not very successfully.
As I have tried to warn people repeatedly, they have quite skilled
telepathic abilities, and ability to appear in anyone's space and in
one's universe. And to heavily restimulate and even kill people quite
readily.
Try getting non-Scientologists to even understand such things as the
ever-present danger of the angered OT Sea Org Member.
> The problems arise when they *do* manage to harm someone, which,
> while seldom compared to the attempts, is still too much to
> consider acceptable.
It is getting harder and harder for me to stay loyal to the Church
under the circumstances. I waffle every day. I am getting weaker
under the strain of continuous conflicts with Church members.
I consider my first duty to mankind in general, not to any Church.
> On the other hand, the 'harm' is always pretty mundane and 'non-
> OT'; no reports of frying cockroaches or flying ashtray
> assaults.
There is policy about revealing abilties and about using them. Policy
which they routinely ignore in OSA circles.
It is not 'made up.' You can trust me on that one. I am not that
loonie, and even if I were, I certainly wouldn't mention any of it for
reputation reasons.
> > > >>We then went on to Hollywood Blvd where the L Ron Hubbard Life Exhibit
> > > >>building and what I understand to be the Office of Special Affairs. There is
> > > >>quite a bit more activity here, with people bustling around the town. Most
> > > >>of the $cientologists that we saw so far were outfitted in dark slacks and
> > > >>light colored shirts, blue I think.
> >
> > Why bring that up?
>
> Because it addresses the embarassing truth that it took more
> than 25 years for the Cult to realize that the fraudulent
> 'Navy' uniforms were a PR flap, and start hiding their Sea Org
> slaves in dockers and polo shirts.
>
> Hubbard couldn't have been very bright not to recognize that
> very simple and blatant fact.
>
> Zinj
There was nothing wrong with Hubbard forming his own navy. It's
sphere of influence is supposedly the entire universe and they take it
very seriously.
Very.
Phil
Zinj
dpchi...@yahoo.com says...
> There was nothing wrong with Hubbard forming his own navy. It's
> sphere of influence is supposedly the entire universe and they take it
> very seriously.
>
> Very.
>
> Phil
We know Phil. Here's wishing (and postulating) you well.
You too can escape. As hard as wog life can be, it can be as
spiritual as you want, and it's certainly more friendly than in
Clearland
Howard Edmunds
>
<phil/zinj snippage>
>
> I resumed reading/posting out of boredom recently as you know. There
> has been no end of constant flack from the Church. They hate me, my
> character, my postings, my positions, my intentions, etc., etc.
>
> They are literally trying to drive me insane and of course that is
> quite easy since there is so little distance to travel already there.
>
> Some came from OSA Flag it was last night. I asked them "What ever
> happened to Bob Minton? What did you guys do to him?" And they were
> quite reticent to cough up an answer. I presume once they had him on
> the base, they 'pulped' him. In other words, made a gibbering
> vegetable out of him. Probably in an institution somewhere.
>
> Would be interesting if critics could russle up some PI fees and
> investigate.
Dear Phil
What do you mean? Did actual fleshy bastards turn up and give you
grief? Or was this one of those waking dreams that linger.
>
> As I have tried to warn people repeatedly, they have quite skilled
> telepathic abilities, and ability to appear in anyone's space and in
> one's universe. And to heavily restimulate and even kill people quite
> readily.
>
> Try getting non-Scientologists to even understand such things as the
> ever-present danger of the angered OT Sea Org Member.
>
Over time I've met some seriously nasty shites - none were Sea Org,
and I've met Sea Orgers - in the main, stiff, glassy eyed
unimaginative bullies.
>
> It is getting harder and harder for me to stay loyal to the Church
> under the circumstances. I waffle every day. I am getting weaker
> under the strain of continuous conflicts with Church members.
>
> I consider my first duty to mankind in general, not to any Church.
>
Indeed. As is the duty of us all. We are all brothers and sisters in
one another.
I'd love to see you step away from all this.
Howard
Phil Chitester
> Phil Chitester wrote:
> >
> <phil/zinj snippage>
> >
> > I resumed reading/posting out of boredom recently as you know. There
> > has been no end of constant flack from the Church. They hate me, my
> > character, my postings, my positions, my intentions, etc., etc.
> >
> > They are literally trying to drive me insane and of course that is
> > quite easy since there is so little distance to travel already there.
> >
> > Some came from OSA Flag it was last night. I asked them "What ever
> > happened to Bob Minton? What did you guys do to him?" And they were
> > quite reticent to cough up an answer. I presume once they had him on
> > the base, they 'pulped' him. In other words, made a gibbering
> > vegetable out of him. Probably in an institution somewhere.
> >
> > Would be interesting if critics could russle up some PI fees and
> > investigate.
>
> Dear Phil
>
> What do you mean? Did actual fleshy bastards turn up and give you
> grief? Or was this one of those waking dreams that linger.
No, OTs don't have to 'bring their bodies' to communicate and villify,
twist and plough one in.
> > As I have tried to warn people repeatedly, they have quite skilled
> > telepathic abilities, and ability to appear in anyone's space and in
> > one's universe. And to heavily restimulate and even kill people quite
> > readily.
> >
> > Try getting non-Scientologists to even understand such things as the
> > ever-present danger of the angered OT Sea Org Member.
> >
> Over time I've met some seriously nasty shites - none were Sea Org,
> and I've met Sea Orgers - in the main, stiff, glassy eyed
> unimaginative bullies.
They do go glassy because they see the critics are doomed and the
critic's future is not going to be a bright one.
The critics climbed on the wrong bandwagon and like they're in a
stampede they cannot reverse themselves.
> > It is getting harder and harder for me to stay loyal to the Church
> > under the circumstances. I waffle every day. I am getting weaker
> > under the strain of continuous conflicts with Church members.
> >
> > I consider my first duty to mankind in general, not to any Church.
> >
> Indeed. As is the duty of us all. We are all brothers and sisters in
> one another.
>
> I'd love to see you step away from all this.
Between the Church's tricky and underhanded 'inducements' and the
newsgroup's insanity I've been reduced about to the size of a pinhead.
A rather ridiculous sounding and acting pinhead. That's perhaps the
way the Church likes it to be, if I am not posting entirely favorably
of it.
>
> Howard
I do get sleep but I am barely thinking straight anymore.
Such a bitter fight it is. Scientologists know Scientology is
entirely good. Psychiatrists know their days are numbered if people
realize it and/or realize what they're trying to do to it.
I just know I'm not collecting a paycheck and I'm growing old and very
tired. I long for the comfort of the inside some days.
Phil