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THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY HAS CORRUPTED THE ADVENTIST CHURCH

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Donna Kupp

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May 29, 2003, 4:12:25 PM5/29/03
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Modern Christianity is teaching a form of Gnosticism that
the scriptures call "THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY"
(Lawlessness)

The apostles and early church kept The Ten Commandments
(including the Sabbath Commandment); but even then,
LAWLESS men were creeping into the church with their
evil, corrupting influence.

PAUL THE APOSTLE
SPEAKING OF THE GREAT APOSTASY:

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not
come, except there come a falling away first,
and that MAN OF SIN be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is
called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God
sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is
God.

Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told
you these things?

And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be
revealed in his time.

FOR THE **MYSTERY OF INIQUITY** DOTH
ALREADY WORK:

only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord
shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall
destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan
with all power and signs and lying wonders,

And with all **DECEIVABLENESS OF
UNRIGHTEOUSNESS in them that perish**; because
they received not the love of the truth, that they might
be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them STRONG
DELUSION, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
BUT HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS."
2 Thess 2:3-12

Friends, we are not saved by grace, we are saved
THROUGH FAITH. God grants us the gift of faith and
through faith we are ABLE to be saved. We are allowed to
escape the death sentence we have earned by sin, only by
the grace (an unmerited favor) of a merciful God. We
deserve eternal death, Yet, God has graciously granted us a
way of salvation THROUGH FAITH. (Eph 2:8)

The Apostle Paul said: "Do we then overthrow the law by
this faith? By NO means! On the contrary, we uphold the
law." Romans 3:31 RSV.

Clearly, "faith" does not excuse us from obedience to the
law of God; rather, through a true SAVING FAITH we are
empowered by the Holy Spirit to obey God's Ten
Commandments.

Donna Kupp

"...Sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4

"Little children, let no man deceive you:
he THAT DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS,
is righteous ..." 1 John 3:7

dk

"And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
WHICH KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD,
AND HAVE THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." Rev 12:17 (KJV)

The Seven Deadly Deceptions Of Counterfeit Christianity
http://www.harborside.com/~hkupp

Teresita

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May 29, 2003, 5:03:25 PM5/29/03
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In article <46b06428.03052...@posting.google.com>,
dk...@harborside.com says...

>
>Clearly, "faith" does not excuse us from obedience to the
>law of God; rather, through a true SAVING FAITH we are
>empowered by the Holy Spirit to obey God's Ten
>Commandments.

Law-righteousness is self-righteousness. Faith-righteousness is
Christ-righteousness.

Phil.3:[9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of
the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which
is of God by faith:

Susan Williams

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May 31, 2003, 8:01:18 AM5/31/03
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Once engaged in this righteous that Teresita is talking about, she is
empowered to tell us that all the Martyrs mentioned in Foxe's Book of
Martyrs, are HERETICS!!

Another super-terrorist has revealed herself after Seeber gave his
blessing to the mass extermination of life!


In His Grace,

Susan

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Joseph Meehan

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May 31, 2003, 9:29:45 AM5/31/03
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More cross posting.

It is not necessary to be inconsiderate in order to participate. Your
strong personal feelings do not justify your ignoring of the norms.

--
Joseph E. Meehan

26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math


Susan Williams

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May 31, 2003, 11:11:36 AM5/31/03
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On Sat, 31 May 2003 13:29:45 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
<sligoj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> More cross posting.


According to you, that was the conclusion of the Board of Mental
Health that should cause terror in the hearts of all!

What's wrong with people knowing about super-terrorists reincarnate
from your Pope?

> It is not necessary to be inconsiderate in order to participate. Your
>strong personal feelings do not justify your ignoring of the norms.

This is the climate of Anti-terrorism. Your personal feelings that
all non-Catholics should die, should not influence you into hyper
paranoia that people send the truth out to more avenues.

Did the Board of Mental Health yet confirm it is insanity to expose
you super-terrorists who have an uncanny lack of respect yet still of
all non-Catholic life?

Donna Kupp

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May 31, 2003, 11:32:51 AM5/31/03
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Teresita <tere...@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<bb5si...@drn.newsguy.com>...


Donna Kupp wrote:

> >Clearly, "faith" does not excuse us from obedience to the
> >law of God; rather, through a true SAVING FAITH we are
> >empowered by the Holy Spirit to obey God's Ten
> >Commandments.

Teresita wrote:

> Law-righteousness is self-righteousness. Faith-righteousness is
> Christ-righteousness.
>
> Phil.3:[9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of
> the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which
> is of God by faith:

John the apostle:

"Little children, ***let no man deceive you:***
he that DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS is righteous,
even as he is righteous." I Jn 3:7 (KJV)

Donna Kupp

John W

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Jun 3, 2003, 1:21:50 PM6/3/03
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On 29 May 2003 13:12:25 -0700, dk...@harborside.com (Donna Kupp)
wrote:

>Modern Christianity is teaching a form of Gnosticism that
>the scriptures call "THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY"
>(Lawlessness)
>
>The apostles and early church kept The Ten Commandments
>(including the Sabbath Commandment); but even then,
>LAWLESS men were creeping into the church with their
>evil, corrupting influence.
>

Actually, the 12 worshipped on Sunday as of the evening Christ rose.
When the Holy Spirit came on Pentecost, it was a Sunday, and what were
the apostles and the disciples doing? Sunday services. In Acts 27, I
believe, the text CLEARLY states that it was a Sunday service.

John W

John W

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Jun 3, 2003, 1:22:43 PM6/3/03
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On 29 May 2003 14:03:25 -0700, Teresita <tere...@newsguy.com> wrote:

>In article <46b06428.03052...@posting.google.com>,
>dk...@harborside.com says...
>>
>>Clearly, "faith" does not excuse us from obedience to the
>>law of God; rather, through a true SAVING FAITH we are
>>empowered by the Holy Spirit to obey God's Ten
>>Commandments.
>

I see no mention of "The 10 Commandments" in the instructions Jesus
gave the church.

John W

John W

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Jun 3, 2003, 1:23:53 PM6/3/03
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On 31 May 2003 12:01:18 GMT, Susan Williams
<salet...@rocketmail.com> wrote:

>On 29 May 2003 14:03:25 -0700, Teresita <tere...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <46b06428.03052...@posting.google.com>,
>>dk...@harborside.com says...
>>>
>>>Clearly, "faith" does not excuse us from obedience to the
>>>law of God; rather, through a true SAVING FAITH we are
>>>empowered by the Holy Spirit to obey God's Ten
>>>Commandments.
>>
>>Law-righteousness is self-righteousness. Faith-righteousness is
>>Christ-righteousness.
>>
>>Phil.3:[9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of
>>the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which
>>is of God by faith:
>
>
>Once engaged in this righteous that Teresita is talking about, she is
>empowered to tell us that all the Martyrs mentioned in Foxe's Book of
>Martyrs, are HERETICS!!
>

Yep, and if you know what you're reading, the "scourge" Constantine
ordered was the summary execution of all the descendants of the
disciples of the 12.

John W

John W

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Jun 3, 2003, 1:24:50 PM6/3/03
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On 31 May 2003 08:32:51 -0700, dk...@harborside.com (Donna Kupp)
wrote:

>Teresita <tere...@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<bb5si...@drn.newsguy.com>...


>> In article <46b06428.03052...@posting.google.com>,
>> dk...@harborside.com says...
>
>
>Donna Kupp wrote:
>
>> >Clearly, "faith" does not excuse us from obedience to the
>> >law of God; rather, through a true SAVING FAITH we are
>> >empowered by the Holy Spirit to obey God's Ten
>> >Commandments.
>
>Teresita wrote:
>
>> Law-righteousness is self-righteousness. Faith-righteousness is
>> Christ-righteousness.
>>
>> Phil.3:[9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of
>> the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which
>> is of God by faith:
>
>John the apostle:
>
> "Little children, ***let no man deceive you:***
> he that DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS is righteous,
> even as he is righteous." I Jn 3:7 (KJV)
>

Now look up the verses that say "Christ is our righteousness."

God bless,

John W

John W

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Jun 3, 2003, 1:26:03 PM6/3/03
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On 31 May 2003 08:32:51 -0700, dk...@harborside.com (Donna Kupp)
wrote:

>Teresita <tere...@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<bb5si...@drn.newsguy.com>...


>> In article <46b06428.03052...@posting.google.com>,
>> dk...@harborside.com says...
>
>
>Donna Kupp wrote:
>
>> >Clearly, "faith" does not excuse us from obedience to the
>> >law of God; rather, through a true SAVING FAITH we are
>> >empowered by the Holy Spirit to obey God's Ten
>> >Commandments.
>
>Teresita wrote:
>
>> Law-righteousness is self-righteousness. Faith-righteousness is
>> Christ-righteousness.
>>
>> Phil.3:[9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of
>> the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which
>> is of God by faith:
>
>John the apostle:
>
> "Little children, ***let no man deceive you:***
> he that DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS is righteous,
> even as he is righteous." I Jn 3:7 (KJV)
>

IOW (previous reply), we do not "achieve" Grace; we "put on" the Grace
Christ freely gives.

And you, Harry, and you Donna would sing a different tune if you were
to discover salvation by Grace.

God bless,

John W

Andrew

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Jun 4, 2003, 12:56:43 AM6/4/03
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"John W" wrote:
>
> I see no mention of "The 10 Commandments" in the instructions Jesus
> gave the church.
>
> John W


"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations. . teach them to observe all things
that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
Matthew 28:19-20

His life was a constant living of the 10 Commandments and a continual revealing of
their holy principles. He taught them continuously by His life and therefore they are
included in the great commission He gave to His church.


Andrew


Andrew

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Jun 4, 2003, 1:27:13 AM6/4/03
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"John W" wrote:
>
>In Acts 27, I believe, the text CLEARLY states that it was a Sunday service.
>


Really?!! I think there's a $10,000 reward for the first
person to find the supposed text. Congratulations, John!!

Susan Williams

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Jun 6, 2003, 3:17:39 AM6/6/03
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:21:50 -0700, John W <john_we...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 29 May 2003 13:12:25 -0700, dk...@harborside.com (Donna Kupp)
>wrote:
>
>>Modern Christianity is teaching a form of Gnosticism that
>>the scriptures call "THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY"
>>(Lawlessness)
>>
>>The apostles and early church kept The Ten Commandments
>>(including the Sabbath Commandment); but even then,
>>LAWLESS men were creeping into the church with their
>>evil, corrupting influence.
>>
>Actually, the 12 worshipped on Sunday as of the evening Christ rose.
>When the Holy Spirit came on Pentecost, it was a Sunday, and what were
>the apostles and the disciples doing? Sunday services. In Acts 27, I
>believe, the text CLEARLY states that it was a Sunday service.
>
>John W

John Weatherly says this, but where does scripture say this?
According to desperate men, holding even a meeting on a particular day
makes that day holy. Only fire will burn this nonsense out of the
incorrigible!

Susan Williams

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Jun 6, 2003, 3:19:21 AM6/6/03
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:22:43 -0700, John W <john_we...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 29 May 2003 14:03:25 -0700, Teresita <tere...@newsguy.com> wrote:


>
>>In article <46b06428.03052...@posting.google.com>,
>>dk...@harborside.com says...
>>>
>>>Clearly, "faith" does not excuse us from obedience to the
>>>law of God; rather, through a true SAVING FAITH we are
>>>empowered by the Holy Spirit to obey God's Ten
>>>Commandments.
>>
>I see no mention of "The 10 Commandments" in the instructions Jesus
>gave the church.
>
>John W

Matt. 5:17-19 says one jot nor one title shall pass from the law, and
knowing this, whosoever shall break the least of these and teach men
so shall be called LEAST in the kingdom of heaven.

Just before Jesus ascended, he told the disciples to teach the world
everything He taught them.

Susan Williams

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On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:23:53 -0700, John W <john_we...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 31 May 2003 12:01:18 GMT, Susan Williams


><salet...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 29 May 2003 14:03:25 -0700, Teresita <tere...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <46b06428.03052...@posting.google.com>,
>>>dk...@harborside.com says...
>>>>
>>>>Clearly, "faith" does not excuse us from obedience to the
>>>>law of God; rather, through a true SAVING FAITH we are
>>>>empowered by the Holy Spirit to obey God's Ten
>>>>Commandments.
>>>
>>>Law-righteousness is self-righteousness. Faith-righteousness is
>>>Christ-righteousness.
>>>
>>>Phil.3:[9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of
>>>the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which
>>>is of God by faith:
>>
>>
>>Once engaged in this righteous that Teresita is talking about, she is
>>empowered to tell us that all the Martyrs mentioned in Foxe's Book of
>>Martyrs, are HERETICS!!
>>
>Yep, and if you know what you're reading, the "scourge" Constantine
>ordered was the summary execution of all the descendants of the
>disciples of the 12.
>
>John W

All terrorists also have the ability to twist scripture stemming from
their lack of respect to God and much respect to their superiors.

John W has told us that the Martyrs of Jesus are also heretics.
Another natural talent to follow those who show the blasphemous talent
to contradict, add to or take away from the words of the Most High! So
far the list of super-terrorists is GREAT!

Susan Williams

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Jun 6, 2003, 3:24:23 AM6/6/03
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:24:50 -0700, John W <john_we...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 31 May 2003 08:32:51 -0700, dk...@harborside.com (Donna Kupp)


>wrote:
>
>>Teresita <tere...@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<bb5si...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>>> In article <46b06428.03052...@posting.google.com>,
>>> dk...@harborside.com says...
>>
>>
>>Donna Kupp wrote:
>>
>>> >Clearly, "faith" does not excuse us from obedience to the
>>> >law of God; rather, through a true SAVING FAITH we are
>>> >empowered by the Holy Spirit to obey God's Ten
>>> >Commandments.
>>
>>Teresita wrote:
>>
>>> Law-righteousness is self-righteousness. Faith-righteousness is
>>> Christ-righteousness.
>>>
>>> Phil.3:[9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of
>>> the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which
>>> is of God by faith:
>>
>>John the apostle:
>>
>> "Little children, ***let no man deceive you:***
>> he that DOETH RIGHTEOUSNESS is righteous,
>> even as he is righteous." I Jn 3:7 (KJV)
>>
>Now look up the verses that say "Christ is our righteousness."
>
>God bless,
>
>John W


Then look up what happens to those who claim Christ is their
righteousness, but then show they think they have the power to
re-write scripture, and then to make their talents complete, claim
that the Martyrs of Jesus are heretics!!!

These who claim Christ is their righteousness, say so. The scriptures
say different.

TAKE YOUR PICK!!

Susan Williams

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On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 10:26:03 -0700, John W <john_we...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 31 May 2003 08:32:51 -0700, dk...@harborside.com (Donna Kupp)


No one who condemns or approves of the deaths of bible Christians has
salvation by grace, nor anything else! Such a state will bear fruit
not in super-terrorism clothed in the talent to lie under false
Christianity.

Susan Williams

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Jun 6, 2003, 3:28:13 AM6/6/03
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On 29 May 2003 14:03:25 -0700, Teresita <tere...@newsguy.com> wrote:


The righteousness Teresita lies about is what empowered her to call
the Martyrs Heretics as she also goes nuts about name-calling even
among members of other faiths!

Alan M

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Jun 6, 2003, 11:12:18 AM6/6/03
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"Susan Williams" <salet...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:9tj0ev8obsgo33ul4...@4ax.com...

Well well well Susie. If there are not possible false double negatives.


John W

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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 22:27:13 -0700, "Andrew" <andre...@usa.net>
wrote:

Excuse me. Acts 20:7, NOT Acts 27.


AC 20:7 On the first day of the week we came together to break
bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the
next day, kept on talking until midnight.

"On the first day of the week..." Sunday!

8 There were many lamps in the upstairs room where we were meeting. 9
Seated in a window was a young man named Eutychus, who was sinking
into a deep sleep as Paul talked on and on. When he was sound asleep,
he fell to the ground from the third story and was picked up dead. 10
Paul went down, threw himself on the young man and put his arms around
him. "Don't be alarmed," he said. "He's alive!" 11 Then he went
upstairs again and broke bread and ate. After talking until daylight,
he left. 12 The people took the young man home alive and were greatly
comforted.

And what's this about a "$10,000 reward?"

God bless,

John W
>
>

John W

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Jun 8, 2003, 5:10:33 AM6/8/03
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:56:43 -0700, "Andrew" <andre...@usa.net>
wrote:

You are reading into the text. Jesus was NOT constantly living the 10
Commandments. And when His disciples came to Him and asked if He could
simplify the law, He gave them 2 laws. #1 "Love the Lord your God..."
and #2 "Love one another..." He then said, "If you have done these two
things, you have fulfilled the law."

And He did NOT say "teach them to observe every law recorded in the
Old Testament!" He DID say, "teach them to observe all things THAT I
HAVE COMMANDED YOU." The list of the commands Jesus gave comes out to
something between 10 and 20 commandments. For instance, He did NOT
re-state the dietary laws, saying INSTEAD, that ALL foods were now
good to eat.

You also are QUITE selective in which laws you insist on following.
How many of YOUR kids have you stoned for their disobedience? When was
the last time YOU plucked out YOUR eye after you found yourself
lusting over the married babe next door?

You would add to Christ's words. And besides, the Sabbath was NOT
given to Christians; it was given to the Jews (Ex 31:16-17)

John's Gospel concludes with the fact that the very evening of the
Sunday Christ rose, the disciples/apostles were worshipping that
Sunday evening! When the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost it was a
Sunday. Do you suppose the Holy Spirit would have blessed the apostles
if He had NOT approved of their Sunday worship? Ridiculous!

And in Corinthians, we find Paul continuing Sunday worship.

God bless,

John W

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Jeff Needle

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Jun 9, 2003, 10:18:10 PM6/9/03
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I haven't been part of this discussion yet, so I'll jump in and add a
few thoughts.

1. Some feel that the text is really describing a Saturday night
meeting -- the Good News Bible actually translates it in this way. I
don't know how it is to be translated correctly.

2. But, more to the point, the book of Acts tells us that the believers
went from house to house "daily" breaking bread, etc. If this shows
anything, it shows that citing a single meeting really isn't precedent
for anything. Since they met *daily*, we would expect them to meet from
time to time on Sunday. The real question is, where do we find, in this
text or any other, the authority to change the observance of the Sabbath
from one day to another? I think you'll find this element missing in
the text cited below.

Remember also that "meeting" is not the essence of the Sabbath; "rest"
is. By meeting on any day, especially when the text tells us that they
met *daily*, it makes the day of the meeting itself quite unimportant.
At least in my point of view.

For me, the bottom line is this: where do we find any text at all that
transfers the solemnity of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday? That's
the text I would need in order to go along with the change.

Just my thoughts.

Susan Williams

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On Sat, 31 May 2003 13:29:45 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
<sligoj...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> More cross posting.
>
> It is not necessary to be inconsiderate in order to participate. Your
>strong personal feelings do not justify your ignoring of the norms.

Tell us about the norms. You were born illegitimately. You join up
with the Antichrist. We then demonstrate the wickedness of the
Antichrist even in terrorism. Contrary to your Vatican statements
that we must allow people to disagree and must always be respectful
you can't converse with us because you are one of the most unskillful
in arguments and debate.

You do conduct arguments with others who believe more the truth, but
you can't do that either with Brother Ted or myself. You therefore
keep wasting bandwidth posting to us that we must see a psychiatrist
even though we keep telling you we will not do that just because we
support life, limb and property while you in your hate condemn all
non-Catholics to persecution and death.

Because of that, though claiming Vatican sanity for yourself, you
can't leave our posts alone.

Cross-posting is your own problem in Vatican sanity. Show us the
problem with it in scripture compared to Seeber and Teresita
condemning to persecution and death all non-Catholic life.


You can't tangle with any Christian. So you resort to accusing them
of mental illness. Countless questions are given to you to answer
even after you and your fellow super-terrorist hatemongers of the
Antichrist issue out lies, but you know better than answering.

If I didn't do any wrongdoing, how come you have attacked me with hate
and said I was hateful and other indignities while preaching against
it like every other documented super-terrorist of the Pope have been
doing for centuries?

> Do consider seeing a professional. Mental illness can be treated.

Do consider settling your life. We are not responsible for your
illegitimate birth that constantly causes you to hate others who were
born properly and who have then accounted to reason for their beliefs.

We have told you this repeatedly and repeatedly. We are not concerned
if the mentally ill view normal people as mentally ill. We have
repeated this to you over and over again. If you don't want to hear,
we will just be content to let you know over and over again till the
fire burns the facts of your eligitimate birth into you.

> It
>is up to you to take the first step towards recovery.

Recovery from what? Tell me? Ted Seeber condemned all non-Catholics
to persecution and death. Teresita then followed in super-terrorism
proving that the Protestant record of your cult is correct and you
super-terrorist murderers are still the same. Now calm down killer
buddy! Sooner or later the crimes of you people will have to catch up
with you. Going into Vatican psychiatry is not going to help you.

>Don't worry that
>those around you will think less of you.

Why tell us that when you can't recover from the news and implications
of your eligitimate birth?

>If they are your true friends they
>will support you, if they don't support you they are not your true friends
>and they are fools who think mental illness is a wrongdoing.

You mean when I was upset that you Vatican psychiatrist killers
condemned non-Catholic blood and slipped by revealing your true colors
again as you are telling us that all non-Catholics should be killed?

>> What were you saying about courtesy and respect? The
>> Lord is showing you creatures why you will be destroyed. Reason and
>> conscience wholly silenced. Can't even explain an excuse for
>> yourselves. Teresita added to Ted Seeber's terrorism by calling the
>> horrible record of martyrdom, "Foxe's Book of Heretics."

Jim Nasium

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Jun 13, 2003, 1:46:52 AM6/13/03
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"Susan Williams" <salet...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:neqievoitm89csaqj...@4ax.com...
Hi Susan,
I don't understand your concerns about Catholicism. If I might wipe the
slate clean, and start by asking you a question: Do I, a Catholic, have a
chance of obtaining salvation in Heaven.
Regards,
Mike


Teresita

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Jun 13, 2003, 7:36:09 AM6/13/03
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In article <gzdGa.2172$%3.13...@typhoon.sonic.net>, "Jim says...

>Hi Susan,
>I don't understand your concerns about Catholicism. If I might wipe the
>slate clean, and start by asking you a question: Do I, a Catholic, have a
>chance of obtaining salvation in Heaven.

Of course you do. But you have zero chance of getting a sane, reasoned reply
from Ted/Susan.

Susan Williams

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Jun 13, 2003, 10:41:50 AM6/13/03
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 05:46:52 GMT, "Jim Nasium" <flan...@sonic.net>
wrote:


What makes you think I'm concerned about Catholicism? You have
watched me post for some time?

If I thought all Catholics were lost, I would not be posting even on
the Catholic newsgroups to warn them. I don't post for Meehan's sake.
Being a Vatican Pharisee psychiatrist makes that a tall task indeed
for salvation.

It is even a task to get him to stop posting to whom he claims are the
mentally imbalanced. We believe that sane people would not have a
natural paranoial bent that way.

Susan Williams

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Jun 13, 2003, 10:51:41 AM6/13/03
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You mean like your reasonable Vatican endeavors to allow people to
disagree? How is that coming from a super-terrorist who views the
record of Christian martyrs and tells us it is called, "Foxe's Book of
Heretics!" and yet if someone presents an idea that is too strong for
you on public media, you claim we have to respect the rights for
others to disagree?

Did you say something against insulting and personally attacking also?

At least the Protestant record is proven true by your actions and NOT
by your never changing activities for AGES.

You, in condemning innocent human life, are another super-terrorist
during the climate of 911. You're not too bright either!

Alan M

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Jun 13, 2003, 10:54:04 AM6/13/03
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> >Hi Susan,
> >I don't understand your concerns about Catholicism. If I might wipe the
> >slate clean, and start by asking you a question: Do I, a Catholic, have a
> >chance of obtaining salvation in Heaven.
> >Regards,
> >Mike
>
>
> What makes you think I'm concerned about Catholicism? You have
> watched me post for some time?
>
> If I thought all Catholics were lost, I would not be posting even on
> the Catholic newsgroups to warn them. I don't post for Meehan's sake.
> Being a Vatican Pharisee psychiatrist makes that a tall task indeed
> for salvation.
>
> It is even a task to get him to stop posting to whom he claims are the
> mentally imbalanced. We believe that sane people would not have a
> natural paranoial bent that way.
>

Whatever Susie. Do you just get let out for the weekends ?


Andrew

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Jun 13, 2003, 12:38:12 PM6/13/03
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"Susan Williams" wrote:
>
> If I thought all Catholics were lost, I would not be posting even on
> the Catholic newsgroups to warn them.
>

Since you are posting on Christian NGs, and only as the *lost* come
to Christ can they be helped . . . what is your personal testimony as to
what Jesus Christ means to you?


Teresita

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Jun 13, 2003, 2:34:25 PM6/13/03
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In article <bccugt$hotjp$1...@ID-97599.news.dfncis.de>, "Andrew" says...


As one of Susan's Jesuit Super-Terrorists, what does it mean to have Jesus
Christ at the center of my life? It means replacing every instance of the word
"self" with "Christ." Instead of trying to achieve self-righteousness, I lay
hold of Christ-righteousness. Instead of feeding my self-importance I nourish
Christ-importance. Instead of trying to practice self-control I let go and
permit Christ-control.

Andrew

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Jun 13, 2003, 8:01:20 PM6/13/03
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Thank you, Teresita. I don't know about the JST part, but you are a Christian.


Susan Williams

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Jun 13, 2003, 11:41:43 PM6/13/03
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On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 00:54:04 +1000, "Alan M" <nos...@nospam.nospam>
wrote:


Do I hamper your weekend and daily plans in order to address some
emergency so you can post around what I say so that people will have
to search harder to see my questions and points?

You are lacking in Christ-centered love. All you all spue is
accusations, deceit and hate since you are the children of the
Antichrist.

Susan Williams

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Jun 13, 2003, 11:50:29 PM6/13/03
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:38:12 -0700, "Andrew" <andre...@usa.net>
wrote:

Since you didn't answer the same question I asked you since you hated
and attacked Brother Ted for exposing a super-terrorist, I will not
answer your Jesuit question.

Here is what you did:

Remember that Brother Ted didn't even know this sub-castrated demon
from the Pope. Andrew advanced to attack him first with the following
post:


http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=a3368n%245i3%241%40nntp9.atl.mindspring.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26selm%3Da3368n%25245i3%25241%2540nntp9.atl.mindspring.net

That post starts out like this:

================

Dear Ted,


It is most obvious from your frequent postings that you are a very
troubled and unhappy person. I know that it is easy and natural for
others to judge you not knowing the severe childhood trauma you may
have experienced coupled with a dysfunctional home from your early
days until now. You must have experienced great pain.


=================

From here Andrew was saying that anyone who posts frequently needs
Christ, has severe childhood trauma and a dysfunctional home.

He has been asked how you can explain this, BUT HOW CAN HE?? He has
also been asked this:

HOW DID YOU CONFIRM OR PROVE THAT BROTHER TED HAD SEVERE CHILDHOOD
TRAUMA AND A DYSFUNCTIONAL HOME JUST BECAUSE SOME SUPER-DAMNED PERSON
WHO KEEPS THE JESUIT OATH HATES HIM?


Here is the second part of it:

=================

I am sorry Ted, for these things in your life which have brought you
to the condition you are in now. Please be it known to you that there
is a God in heaven who loves you. There is an all powerful Savior who
is able to make something beautiful of your life and to give you a
place with Him through all future ages in His kingdom of glory.

It was unclear on other posts whether you claimed to be a Christian.
Now, while the door of mercy is still open, while probationary hours
are fast fleeting into eternity, is the opportunity for you (and all
of us) to respond to the powerful drawing of Jesus Christ .. to humble
ourselves before Him in repentance for our sins and to surrender our
lives to Him daily.

Dear Ted, if you do these things and learn of Jesus Christ through
prayer and the study of His words and teachings, then the peace of
heaven will replace the anxieties which plague you now. Then your
influence will reveal the fruits of God's spirit to the glory of Jesus
Christ.

Andrew then added this scripture:

____________ James 3: 13-18_______________
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show
out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if
ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie
not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is
earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is
confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is
first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of
mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And
the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace."

May His peace and presence fill your heart as you surrender to Him now
is my prayer for you.

Andrew


=====================


All this came from the bitterness in the soul first of Satan, who was
a murderer from the beginning. Then Seeber condemning to death all
non-Catholics, and thence once exposed, another super-terrorist from
the Pope in Adventist clothes can't cease posting about us!

You can ask him himself why he is so bitter although we have shown
you. But still yet is the need for the demon to find peace by
answering the question of how he knew Brother Ted had severe childhood
trauma and a dysfunctional home during his early days to now based on
the fact that he does what even Andrew does: Posts frequently.

We have asked for his professional psychiatric analysis, but he comes
out just like Joe Meehan.

Andrew,

May the peace of jail fill your heart as you surrender to it now so
that you can reach that grand plateau. If you take the next necessary
stages, you will one day graduate to a human being. Then, in your
very old age with the constant effort, you may be able to become a
Christian.

Please! May you start the step-stage process from the beginning now
is our prayer for you.


And don't forget!!!


WE LOVE YOU ANTICHRIST DEMON ANDREW!! WE LOVE YOU!!

DON'T YOU LOVE US??

Susan Williams

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Jun 13, 2003, 11:53:27 PM6/13/03
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How did this principle then compel you to declare that the record of
Christian Martyrs in the book Foxe's Book of Martyrs should be worded
Foxe's Book of Heretics?

You are another inquisitor with babbling straight to hell. One moment
you sware that people must allow others to disagree. The next minute
you condemn to death all who view religion differently than you. Now
you claim to be my personal Jesuit Super-terrorist as if the fact
doesn't present itself by your own talent and actions. You even lied
claiming to be talking only about the Albigenses who occupied such a
short portion of the book.

Susan Williams

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Jun 13, 2003, 11:58:11 PM6/13/03
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On 13 Jun 2003 04:36:09 -0700, Teresita <tere...@newsguy.com> wrote:


Is that because Ted/Susan wouldn't dare refer to Foxe's Book of
Martyrs as Foxe's Book of Heretics? Is the reason because Ted/Susan
isn't damned enough to complain about attacking and accusing others
but would condemn those who view religion differently than us to death
like Teresita and Seeber?

Where is evidence? All we see is hatred, attack, unscrupulousness,
super-damnedness. What is this about sane and reasoned reply? Why no
examples? Why no links like we constantly provide?

Andrew

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Jun 14, 2003, 1:39:19 AM6/14/03
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"Susan Williams" wrote:

> "Andrew" wrote:
> >
> >"Susan Williams" wrote:
> >>
> >> If I thought all Catholics were lost, I would not be posting even on
> >> the Catholic newsgroups to warn them.
> >>
> >
> >Since you are posting on Christian NGs, and only as the *lost* come
> >to Christ can they be helped . . . what is your personal testimony as to
> >what Jesus Christ means to you?
>
> I will not answer your Jesuit question.
>
>
> Susan
>


The question was . . .What is your personal testimony as to what Jesus Christ means
to you? You may answer anyway you choose; and the way you answer will be your
public testimony for or against Jesus Christ. If you refuse to answer then you are in
effect publicly denying Him.

"Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father
who is in heaven. "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My
Father who is in heaven."
Mt 10:32-33


"Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man
also confess before the angels of God:But he that denieth me before men shall be denied
before the angels of God."
Luke 12:8-9

~ Jesus


bardi

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Jun 14, 2003, 6:32:55 AM6/14/03
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"Susan Williams" <salet...@rocketmail.com> wrote in .

>
> Since you didn't answer the same question I asked you since you hated
> and attacked Brother Ted for exposing a super-terrorist, I will not
> answer your Jesuit question.

Speaking of answering questions, I still patiently await your answer to the
ones I asked..In case they are forgotten.

A few basic questions.

1>are the people you are complaining about in positions of authority with
the Roman Catholic Church?
2>What exactly is the Jesuit oath that you are complaining about in other
posts?
3>what exactly were your reasons for bringing this up in Roman Catholic
forums? (and I am open to at least one positive reason)
4>Do you consider it agreeable to engage in ad hominum arguments because the
other person has?

df
bardi


Teresita

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Jun 14, 2003, 10:35:42 AM6/14/03
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In article <adalevg0j5vuc13t5...@4ax.com>, Susan says...
>

>How did this principle then compel you to declare that the record of
>Christian Martyrs in the book Foxe's Book of Martyrs should be worded
>Foxe's Book of Heretics?

Because the so-called "martyrs" were people like Tyndale, who held to the
doctrine of justification by faith alone, who maintained that to believe in the
forgiveness of sins and to embrace the mercy offered in the Gospel was enough
for salvation, who denied purgatory, who affirmed that Mary and the saints do
not pray for us, and we should not pray to them.

>You are another inquisitor with babbling straight to hell. One moment
>you sware that people must allow others to disagree. The next minute
>you condemn to death all who view religion differently than you. Now
>you claim to be my personal Jesuit Super-terrorist as if the fact
>doesn't present itself by your own talent and actions. You even lied
>claiming to be talking only about the Albigenses who occupied such a
>short portion of the book.

On the contrary, I mentioned as an example of heresy the Albigenses but I never
claimed the Albigenses were the only heresy I was referring to. You are either
mistaken or deliberately bearing false witness.

Susan Williams

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Jun 15, 2003, 1:39:31 AM6/15/03
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:39:19 -0700, "Andrew" <andre...@usa.net>
wrote:

>
>"Susan Williams" wrote:
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>> >
>> >"Susan Williams" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If I thought all Catholics were lost, I would not be posting even on
>> >> the Catholic newsgroups to warn them.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Since you are posting on Christian NGs, and only as the *lost* come
>> >to Christ can they be helped . . . what is your personal testimony as to
>> >what Jesus Christ means to you?
>>
>> I will not answer your Jesuit question.
>>
>>
>> Susan
>>
>
>
>The question was . . .What is your personal testimony as to what Jesus Christ means
>to you? You may answer anyway you choose; and the way you answer will be your
>public testimony for or against Jesus Christ. If you refuse to answer then you are in
>effect publicly denying Him.

I have been asking you a question for a much longer time dealing with
your terrorist nature. You were angry with us and hated us because we
exposed a man who condemned all non-Catholics and most Catholics to
persecution and death. We don't care what a monster says about his
personal relationship to Christ.

Again the question so that all can know you:


http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=a3368n%245i3%241%40nntp9.atl.mindspring.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26selm%3Da3368n%25245i3%25241%2540nntp9.atl.mindspring.net

================

Dear Ted,


=================

=================

Andrew


=====================

Andrew,


And don't forget!!!

In His Grace,

Susan

>
>
>


>"Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father
> who is in heaven. "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My
> Father who is in heaven."
> Mt 10:32-33
>
>
>"Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man
> also confess before the angels of God:But he that denieth me before men shall be denied
> before the angels of God."
> Luke 12:8-9
>
> ~ Jesus
>
>
>

Susan Williams

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Jun 15, 2003, 1:40:48 AM6/15/03
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Go to the former posts. Just do a little research. I don't have time
for more repeats than I have to do with the scoundrel super-terrorists
of the Pope. They are forcing me to repeat myself enough already.

Just a little patience and review the arguments.

Susan Williams

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Jun 15, 2003, 1:48:28 AM6/15/03
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On 14 Jun 2003 07:35:42 -0700, Teresita <tere...@newsguy.com> wrote:

>In article <adalevg0j5vuc13t5...@4ax.com>, Susan says...
>>
>
>>How did this principle then compel you to declare that the record of
>>Christian Martyrs in the book Foxe's Book of Martyrs should be worded
>>Foxe's Book of Heretics?
>
>Because the so-called "martyrs" were people like Tyndale, who held to the
>doctrine of justification by faith alone, who maintained that to believe in the
>forgiveness of sins and to embrace the mercy offered in the Gospel was enough
>for salvation, who denied purgatory, who affirmed that Mary and the saints do
>not pray for us, and we should not pray to them.


The question was, since Teresita was telling us how much in love with
Christ. How is it that the "holy spirit" and Christ in her compelled
her to condemn millions of martyrs for Christ and then come on forums
wrangling with her fellow terrorists telling us her poor soul is so
sensitive to name-calling?

>>You are another inquisitor with babbling straight to hell. One moment
>>you sware that people must allow others to disagree. The next minute
>>you condemn to death all who view religion differently than you. Now
>>you claim to be my personal Jesuit Super-terrorist as if the fact
>>doesn't present itself by your own talent and actions. You even lied
>>claiming to be talking only about the Albigenses who occupied such a
>>short portion of the book.
>
>On the contrary, I mentioned as an example of heresy the Albigenses but I never
>claimed the Albigenses were the only heresy I was referring to. You are either
>mistaken or deliberately bearing false witness.

I will repeat again that Teresita is lying. Maybe that was why she
also had no irritation with Ted Seeber also condemning all
non-Catholics to persecution and death. Someone condemning a small
group of Protestants will not do that by referring to the complete
documented Protestant historical record as "Foxe's Book of Heretics."
Neither was the subject spoken about the Albigenses.

Teresita is just another proud scoundrel blaspheming the name of
Christ. Is this the reason also why to date she condemned me
constantly but still has nothing to say about the man who condemned
millions of innocent people to then come on newsgroups telling us he
is for free speech and ideas?

Time for her to ignore these points and come again with more lies as
her friends. Teresita also condemned millions of Christians to then
come lying on these forums about herself favoring different beliefs
and that we call them Jesuits only because we can't stand people
disagreeing with us!

Andrew

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Jun 15, 2003, 11:36:14 AM6/15/03
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> >> "Andrew" wrote:
> >
> >The question was . . .What is your personal testimony as to what Jesus Christ
> >means to you?


"Susan Williams" replies:


>We don't care what a monster says about his personal relationship to Christ.


So this is it! THIS is your testimony!! You are calling yourself a monster?!
Who does the *we* refer to? Is it not the multiple demons who control you?

"And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered,
saying, My name is Legion: for WE are many."
Mark 5:9


There is hope for the demoniacs - but only through the power of the One you are
publicly denying. Therefore turn to Him now.


"Whoever denies Me before men, him I will also

bardi

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Jun 15, 2003, 12:06:00 PM6/15/03
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"Susan Williams" <salet...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:a55oev8atkoev4iit...@4ax.com...
hm...well here is what I seem to have found, which is why I asked you in
case I was mistaken

> >1>are the people you are complaining about in positions of authority with
> >the Roman Catholic Church?

Answer..not at all.


> >2>What exactly is the Jesuit oath that you are complaining about in other
> >posts?


Saw nothing in your posts..did some searching and found out that the old saw
about a "Jesuit Oath' seems to have resurfaced. An oath which,bt,whas also
been attributed to several other groups and which is actually the product of
someone's fevered and paranoid imagination.

> >3>what exactly were your reasons for bringing this up in Roman Catholic
> >forums? (and I am open to at least one positive reason)

See answer to 4


> >4>Do you consider it agreeable to engage in ad hominum arguments because
the
> >other person has?


You seem to not only find it agreeable but enjoyable,having apparently
created in yourself a hatred for a religion you obviously know little about.

still open to other options

df
bardi


Teresita

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Jun 15, 2003, 7:27:05 PM6/15/03
to
In article <a55oev8atkoev4iit...@4ax.com>, Susan says...

>Go to the former posts. Just do a little research. I don't have time
>for more repeats than I have to do with the scoundrel super-terrorists
>of the Pope. They are forcing me to repeat myself enough already.

Ted/Susan is hoping you will cooperate so he/she can just say, for example,
REBUKE #014! And you will go to google, find out what that means, and be
properly chastened, and lots of bandwidth will be saved all around.

Teresita

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Jun 15, 2003, 7:24:37 PM6/15/03
to
In article <p15oevonif6puie6q...@4ax.com>, Susan says...

>
>Then, in your
>very old age with the constant effort, you may be able to become a
>Christian.

Or better yet, Andrew can become a Catholic where the effort is very light.
Matt.11:[29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in
heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [30] For my yoke is easy, and my
burden is light.

bardi

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Jun 15, 2003, 10:11:32 PM6/15/03
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"Teresita" <tere...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:bcivc...@drn.newsguy.com...

Of course I have noticed that people tend to say things like that when they
have no decent answer on their own. My thought...her accusations requires
her proof,not mine.

df
bardi

ksgemini

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Jun 18, 2003, 1:04:12 PM6/18/03
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Susan Williams <salet...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message news:<nmalevcvrf17p5vho...@4ax.com>...

> On 13 Jun 2003 04:36:09 -0700, Teresita <tere...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <gzdGa.2172$%3.13...@typhoon.sonic.net>, "Jim says...
> >
> >>Hi Susan,
> >>I don't understand your concerns about Catholicism. If I might wipe the
> >>slate clean, and start by asking you a question: Do I, a Catholic, have a
> >>chance of obtaining salvation in Heaven.
> >
> >Of course you do. But you have zero chance of getting a sane, reasoned reply
> >from Ted/Susan.
>
>
> Is that because Ted/Susan wouldn't dare refer to Foxe's Book of
> Martyrs as Foxe's Book of Heretics? Is the reason because Ted/Susan
> isn't damned enough to complain about attacking and accusing others
> but would condemn those who view religion differently than us to death
> like Teresita and Seeber?
>
> Where is evidence? All we see is hatred, attack, unscrupulousness,
> super-damnedness. What is this about sane and reasoned reply? Why no
> examples? Why no links like we constantly provide?
>
>
> In His Grace,
>
>
>
> Susan
>
Tony Clifton ...Vegas legend is the rock who saves...Thats me...TC

Susan Williams

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Jun 22, 2003, 1:48:53 AM6/22/03
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 22:39:19 -0700, "Andrew" <andre...@usa.net>
wrote:

>


>"Susan Williams" wrote:
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>> >
>> >"Susan Williams" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If I thought all Catholics were lost, I would not be posting even on
>> >> the Catholic newsgroups to warn them.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Since you are posting on Christian NGs, and only as the *lost* come
>> >to Christ can they be helped . . . what is your personal testimony as to
>> >what Jesus Christ means to you?
>>
>> I will not answer your Jesuit question.
>>
>>
>> Susan
>>
>
>
>The question was . . .What is your personal testimony as to what Jesus Christ means
>to you? You may answer anyway you choose; and the way you answer will be your
>public testimony for or against Jesus Christ. If you refuse to answer then you are in
>effect publicly denying Him.

If a Jesuit conspirator believes that, then it must be wrong. I have
already asked why you became upset with me and Brother Ted for
exposing people who condemned many Christians to persecution and death
in the climate of September 11. Don't tell us about answering
questions therefore. The Protestant documentation all said you
infiltrating Jesuits are deadly and unscrupulous.

Again, for the self-professed "Christ-centered" killer Andrew:

Here is the deliberately insulting post written against Brother Ted by
Antichrist Andrew. Andrew is an infiltrator to Adventism from the
Pope! Go to the link and look at the post which this man is, again in
the keeping of the Jesuit Oath, claiming is not insulting and wasn't
made to be so:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&selm=a3368n%245i3%241%40nntp9.atl.mindspring.net

Here is the unbelievable complete thread filled with the worst killers
of all time showing what they were trained in:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=a3368n%245i3%241%40nntp9.atl.mindspring.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26selm%3Da3368n%25245i3%25241%2540nntp9.atl.mindspring.net

That post starts out like this:

================

Dear Ted,


It is most obvious from your frequent postings that you are a very
troubled and unhappy person. I know that it is easy and natural for
others to judge you not knowing the severe childhood trauma you may
have experienced coupled with a dysfunctional home from your early
days until now. You must have experienced great pain.


=================

From here Andrew was saying that anyone who posts frequently needs
Christ, has severe childhood trauma and a dysfunctional home.

He has been asked how you can explain this, BUT HOW CAN HE?? He has
also been asked this:

HOW DID YOU CONFIRM OR PROVE THAT BROTHER TED HAD SEVERE CHILDHOOD
TRAUMA AND A DYSFUNCTIONAL HOME JUST BECAUSE SOME SUPER-DAMNED PERSON
WHO KEEPS THE JESUIT OATH HATES HIM?

We then see that your demon souls is too tortured to answer, so you
keep posting your accusations, insults and slanders according to the
Jesuit Oath.

The first observation here is that

EVERYBODY BASICALLY FREQUENTLY POSTS!

Lamarr Edwards does and clearly has an obsession with me, Brother Ted
and anyone who loves non-Catholic life. Larson does. He is obsessed
with the idea that anyone would know the Jesuit Oath which he and you
all keep may be proven true. THEN ANDREW POSTS FREQUENTLY!! Nothing
appears to be on his mind but me and Brother Ted!


With all of this we ask Andrew what is the benefit of his pitchforked
Christ from the Antichrist. His soul is too tortured to answer. To
answer is to give everything up!

Andrew therefore asked me in his same line of deceit:

>Why does your blood pressure go up whenever you read
>a Joe Meehan post?

I reply:
Why does your blood pressure go up when you see men or women defending
the lives of non-Catholics? Why did you attack and insult Brother Ted
and refuse to answer my question of how you know he has had a
dysfunctional home and sever childhood trauma just because he exposed
super-terrorist condemning millions of lives?

Andrew:
>There ARE medicines to help those
>afflicted with mental torments.

My reply:
WHAT NO CHRIST NOW??

Andrew:
>To suggest a route whereby
>one may find relief is Christian and proper.

My reply:
Why should someone undergo this therapy just because they disagree
with people like you who believe that super-killers should be
protected?

Andrew:
>How can you purport to have such love for Ted McMillan
>and not want him to have relief from such obvious agony?

Notice he used the word "obvious"? He spoke for everyone here and
will not allow disagreement!

My reply:
But we have given you a chance to have some peace that we expose
super-terrorist criminals from the pope, but you refuse to calm down
and quiet your tortured soul. Want an example:


HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT BROTHER TED HAD SEVERE CHILDHOOD TRAUMA AND A
DYSFUNCATIONAL HOME JUST BECAUSE HE WAS UPSET AT A MAN WHO CONDEMNED
ALL NON-CATHOLICS TO PERSECUTION AND DEATH.

The question is simple to understand. We glory that, according to
you, troubled and insane people like us can understand what simple
questions are! But Andrew continues deceptive attack post continues
thusly:

======================

I am sorry Ted, for these things in your life which have brought you
to the condition you are in now. Please be it known to you that there
is a God in heaven who loves you. There is an all powerful Savior who
is able to make something beautiful of your life and to give you a
place with Him through all future ages in His kingdom of glory.
It was unclear on other posts whether you claimed to be a Christian.
Now, while the door of mercy is still open, while probationary hours
are fast fleeting into eternity, is the opportunity for you (and all
of us) to respond to the powerful drawing of Jesus Christ .. to humble
ourselves before Him in repentance for our sins and to surrender our
lives to Him daily.
Dear Ted, if you do these things and learn of Jesus Christ through
prayer and the study of His words and teachings, then the peace of
heaven will replace the anxieties which plague you now. Then your
influence will reveal the fruits of God's spirit to the glory of Jesus
Christ.

____________ James 3: 13-18_______________

"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show
out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if
ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie
not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is
earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is
confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is
first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of
mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And
the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace."

May His peace and presence fill your heart as you surrender to Him now
is my prayer for you.

Andrew

======================

After this attack post, Andrew claimed that Ted Seeber was "kind and
courteous" compared to me. I condemned people Andrew says. All Ted
Seeber did was condemn all non-Catholics to persecution and death!

Andrew continues to appeal to me to seek Christ in his judgmentalism
(01/30/2003) With link where he claims Seeber was "kind and
courteous":

http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&start=50&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=alt.religion.christian.adventist&as_drrb=b&as_mind=28&as_minm=1&as_miny=2003&as_maxd=1&as_maxm=2&as_maxy=2003&selm=1drj3vgbadjsottm05imsdpi1urcrbi6ga%404ax.com

Originating thread:

http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=91fh3v4ht50fsse242lk1qmj6o5u0273e8%404ax.com&prev=/groups%3Fdq%3D%26num%3D25%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26group%3Dalt.religion.christian.adventist%26as_drrb%3Db%26as_mind%3D28%26as_minm%3D1%26as_miny%3D2003%26as_maxd%3D1%26as_maxm%3D2%26as_maxy%3D2003%26start%3D50

After ignoring my points that all non-Catholics were condemned, Andrew
came to attack me again claiming that Christ came to save and not to
condemn UNLKE HIS ATTACK POSTS:

Complete thread:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=a8e2dj%2430t%241%40nntp9.atl.mindspring.net&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2B%2522courteous%2522%2Bgroup:alt.religion.christian.adventist%2Bauthor:Andrew%26hl%3Den%26selm%3Da8e2dj%252430t%25241%2540nntp9.atl.mindspring.net%26rnum%3D1


In this link below the papal super-terrorist tells us his intentions
was not to insult Brother McMillan, but that it was an appeal given in
sincere prayer that was rejected with scorn and insult:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=sincere+group:alt.religion.christian.adventist+author:Andrew&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=acebot%244kq%241%40slb3.atl.mindspring.net&rnum=1

If your pastor did that to you as Andrew has done to Brother McMillan
here, you would be dumb enough to accept the attack as sincere? IT
WAS INDEED A SINCERE ATTACK!


Now here is my appeal to the sinister devil in human form:

Dear Antichrist Andrew,

It is most obvious from your frequent postings that you are a very
troubled and unhappy person. I know that it is easy and natural for
others to judge you not knowing the severe childhood trauma you may
have experienced coupled with a dysfunctional home from your early
days until now. You must have experienced great pain.

I am sorry Andrew, for these things in your life which have brought


you to the condition you are in now. Please be it known to you that
there is a God in heaven who loves you. There is an all powerful
Savior who is able to make something beautiful of your life and to
give you a place with Him through all future ages in His kingdom of

glory, SO LONG AS YOU QUIT WORKING FOR THE POPE AND OBEYING THAT
JESUIT OATH!!

It was unclear on other posts whether you claimed to be a Christian.
Now, while the door of mercy is still open, while probationary hours
are fast fleeting into eternity, is the opportunity for you (and all
of us) to respond to the powerful drawing of Jesus Christ .. to humble
ourselves before Him in repentance for our sins and to surrender our
lives to Him daily.

Dear Antichrist Andrew, if you do these things and learn of Jesus


Christ through prayer and the study of His words and teachings, then
the peace of heaven will replace the anxieties which plague you now

eventually as you finally make it up to criminal status and then you
can work the rest of your life to become a Christian!. Then your


influence will reveal the fruits of God's spirit to the glory of Jesus
Christ.

____________ James 3: 13-18_______________

"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show
out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not,
and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above,
but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil
work.

But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable,
gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits,
without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of
righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace."

May His peace and presence fill your heart as you surrender to Him
now is my prayer for you.


And don't forget!!!


WE LOVE YOU ANTICHRIST DEMON ANDREW!! WE LOVE YOU!!

DON'T YOU LOVE ME??

In His Grace,

Susan


>
>
>
>"Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father
> who is in heaven. "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My
> Father who is in heaven."
> Mt 10:32-33
>
>
>"Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man
> also confess before the angels of God:But he that denieth me before men shall be denied
> before the angels of God."
> Luke 12:8-9
>
> ~ Jesus
>
>
>

Susan Williams

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Jul 3, 2003, 5:01:17 PM7/3/03
to
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:01:20 -0700, "Andrew" <andre...@usa.net>
wrote:


To Andrew, who is a trained killer from the Vatican claiming to be an
Adventist, it is natural for him to praise someone who condemns all
Protestants to death!

Here is Andrew's attacks against Brother Ted because Brother Ted
exposed these super-terrorist killers from the Pope. Check out his
behavior. I have asked him about his behavior for too long, but he
refuses to answer. He just keeps asking for my personal testimony of
what Christ means to me even though Christ already imbues even
atheists with a love of human life contrary to him:


Here you attacked Brother Ted because you hate him because he was
exposing a man who condemned all non-Catholic life. Here was your
insulting attack and judgmental tirade:


================

Dear Ted,


It is most obvious from your frequent postings that you are a very
troubled and unhappy person. I know that it is easy and natural for
others to judge you not knowing the severe childhood trauma you may
have experienced coupled with a dysfunctional home from your early
days until now. You must have experienced great pain.


=================

From here you were saying that anyone who posts frequently needs


Christ, has severe childhood trauma and a dysfunctional home.

You have been asked how you can explain this. You have also been
asked this:

HOW DID YOU CONFIRM OR PROVE THAT BROTHER TED HAD SEVERE CHILDHOOD
TRAUMA AND A DYSFUNCTIONAL HOME JUST BECAUSE SOME SUPER-DAMNED PERSON
WHO KEEPS THE JESUIT OATH HATES HIM?

We then see that your demon souls is too tortured to answer, so you
keep posting your accusations, insults and slanders according to the
Jesuit Oath.

The first observation here is that

EVERYBODY BASICALLY FREQUENTLY POSTS!

Lamarr Edwards does and clearly has an obsession with me, Brother Ted
and anyone who loves non-Catholic life. Larson does. He is obsessed
with the idea that anyone would know the Jesuit Oath which he and you
all keep may be proven true. THEN ANDREW POSTS FREQUENTLY!! Nothing
appears to be on his mind but me and Brother Ted!


With all of this we ask Andrew what is the benefit of his pitchforked
Christ from the Antichrist. His soul is too tortured to answer. To
answer is to give everything up!

Andrew therefore asked me in his same line of deceit:

>Why does your blood pressure go up whenever you read
>a Joe Meehan post?

Why does your blood pressure go up when you see men or women defending


the lives of non-Catholics? Why did you attack and insult Brother Ted
and refuse to answer my question of how you know he has had a
dysfunctional home and sever childhood trauma just because he exposed
super-terrorist condemning millions of lives?

>There ARE medicines to help those
>afflicted with mental torments.

WHAT NO CHRIST NOW??

>To suggest a route whereby
>one may find relief is Christian and proper.

Why should someone undergo this therapy just because they disagree


with people like you who believe that super-killers should be
protected?

>How can you purport to have such love for Ted McMillan


>and not want him to have relief from such obvious agony?

But we have given you a chance to have some peace that we expose


super-terrorist criminals from the pope, but you refuse to calm down
and quiet your tortured soul. Want an example:


HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT BROTHER TED HAD SEVERE CHILDHOOD TRAUMA AND A
DYSFUNCATIONAL HOME JUST BECAUSE HE WAS UPSET AT A MAN WHO CONDEMNED
ALL NON-CATHOLICS TO PERSECUTION AND DEATH.

The question is simple to understand. We glory that, according to
you, troubled and insane people like us can understand what simple
questions are!

In His Grace,


Susan

ANDREW QUOTES THIS BELOW ACCORDING TO THE JESUIT OATH:

7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but
considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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