There was a time...
Astral Weeks
problem with being completely honest in this newsgroup, so I will explain a
bit:
I was part of the "WEBTV crew" about five years ago, when I was 15. We were
MJ fans (it should come as no surprise that I used to be a fan, since I have
said it many times) who pretty much bashed a certain guy by the name Les. He
was anti-MJ, but I found his posts to be pretty eloquent. Thus, I didn't
really partake in the name-calling, just the rebuttal.
You see, I don't talk completely from my ass. I remember Pam posting way
back then, also. I think there is a post floating around on Google where she
wished me luck when I left the NG, let me see if I can find it...
Wow, I found the original post (mind the wrap):
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=mjbad+pam+group:alt.music.michael-jackson&
hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=alt.music.michael-jackson&selm=6kbt0v%24ju
i%241%40newsd-113.bryant.webtv.net&rnum=4
And Pam's reply:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=6kclej%24os
q%241%40newsd-162.iap.bryant.webtv.net
Weird. A lot has changed since those days, huh? Maybe some day I will
divulge in why I left and why my opinions have changed.
Reading these old posts softened my heart, and my plan now is to continue
expressing my opinions but being more civil when I go about it (except with
certain individuals), kind of like how Nat handles things.
Anyway, there you have it.
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
Tourniquet
>Wow, I found the original post (mind the wrap):
>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=mjbad+pam+group:alt.music.michael-jackson&
>hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=alt.music.michael-jackson&selm=6kbt0v%24ju
>i%241%40newsd-113.bryant.webtv.net&rnum=4
Now I'm curious. Can you say why you left? It sounded like it was
something major in your life at the time, so I understand if you'd rather
not say. Just me being nosey.
Deggie
"Ass-troll Geek" <dissen...@hotmail.com> wrote
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=mjbad+pam+group:alt.music.michael-jackson&
> hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=alt.music.michael-jackson&selm=6kbt0v%24ju
> i%241%40newsd-113.bryant.webtv.net&rnum=4
>From: Gina ... (Mj...@webtv.net)
Subject: *FINAL POST*
Newsgroups: alt.music.michael-jackson
Date: 1998/05/25 Ok everyone, this is it... I'm outta here! I'm not giving the specifics,
really, but I can't be here anymore. I'm sorry, and I am NOT deserting
MJ in any way, shape or form. But, before go, I have to say a few
things...My opinions on Michael Jackson will never change. I love him as an
artist and a human being. He is te greatest. Thats all I can say on that
matter.
Wow! Pam used to converse with Gina first time around! And in 1998! Goodness! Was the Net around then? (I'm sure drop-down menus hadn't been invented yet).
Hmmm... Note what Ass-troll Geek says:
"My opinions on Michael Jackson will never change. I love him as an
artist and a human being. He is te greatest. "
Hmmmm.... My question is: how did she get poisoned along the way? Who poisoned her? What poisoned her? Was/is she just a weak mind?
Andy
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"Ass-troll Geek" <dissen...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=mjbad+pam+group:alt.music.michael-jackson&
>
hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&group=alt.music.michael-jackson&selm=6kbt0v%24ju
> i%241%40newsd-113.bryant.webtv.net&rnum=4
>From: Gina ... (Mj...@webtv.net)
Subject: *FINAL POST*
Newsgroups: alt.music.michael-jackson
Date: 1998/05/25 Ok everyone, this is it... I'm outta here! I'm not giving
the specifics,
really, but I can't be here anymore. I'm sorry, and I am NOT deserting
MJ in any way, shape or form. But, before go, I have to say a few
things...My opinions on Michael Jackson will never change. I love him as an
artist and a human being. He is te greatest. Thats all I can say on that
matter.
Wow! Pam used to converse with Gina first time around! And in 1998!
Goodness! Was the Net around then?
Doggie, you are a true mentalist.
(I'm sure drop-down menus hadn't been invented yet).
Hmmm... Note what Ass-troll Geek says:
"My opinions on Michael Jackson will never change. I love him as an
artist and a human being. He is te greatest. "
Hmmmm.... My question is: how did she get poisoned along the way?
Ever thought she grew up?
Who poisoned her? What poisoned her?
She found good music
MYopinion
I am so glad that you FINALLY are honest. Your post puts to rest,
everything that I have been telling everyone-fans and haters in this
newsgroup. I don't know why you have decided to "come clean", but thank
you. Hopefully, you saw what Insidious,Tourncoat and the trolls were
doing and decided that I was not lying about anything.
As I said in a previous post, Tourncoat aka Tourniquet KINEW that I have
been teeling the truth about him, yet he too the cowardly way out, and
tried to portray me as a loon, because I said that he used to post here,
that he used to be an MJ "imitator", and that their used to be a "Web TV
Crew". He told everyone in this newsgroup that I was delusional and a
liar.
Even now that you have basically "exposed" him, he is STILL ignoring the
FACTS. It seems as if he wants to block that part of his life out. I
have no problem with him doing that. It just irks me to hell, that he
has been "posing" as if he was anti-MJ "all the time", and doing his
damnest to portray me as some lunatic. The even sadder thing is that he
has been in cahoots with Insidious, this entire time, KNOWING that I
have been telling the truth about him. He has deceived everyone in this
group with his lies.
Hopefully, they will not turn on you as they have every MJ fan who goes
against their warped agenda. Now, I remember how you were struggling in
here, because of your youth. Leslie/Lester Bell used to give you hell
because of your fandom. One time you even came here in total despair
because someone was "threatening" you. You stayed away from this
newsgroup for weeks, when you came back, you gave your FINAL goodbye. I
am a mother and a teacher, and I used to encourage you against Les and
the other haters. I knew what a young 15 year old goes through when
their "peers" go against them. I even cried when I read your post,
because I knew that you were leaving,because you couldn't handle the
pressure of haters and trolls,exactly like Insidious,Andy, Tourncoat and
the others are TRYING to do to me. The thing is, I can handle the
pressure. I am old enough that I am not worried about "peer pressure",
acceptance, or anything like that. I have lived what they are attempting
to do. I see that kind of thing, on a much smaller and saner level, with
students everyday. I o not allow any harrassment of my students, just
because the "bullies" want to.
Gina, my question to you is:"WHY, did you you go against me, when you
KNEW that what I was saying about Tourniquet was the truth? Why would
you align yourself with them against me, when you know that I am not a
"loon" or delusional? Why would you go against everything that I am NOW
saying, when I am saying the same thing that I did then. My defense of
MJ has nevered wavered. The media was against him then, just as they are
now.There is nothing different. The only difference is that MJ FINALLY
decided to "speak out" because of Mottola's dirty tricks against him and
Invincible. His lawyer said that MJ tried for SIX MONTHS to speak to
Mottola and ask him why he was doing this and to "work things out."
Mottola refused to even talk to MJ or accept his phone calls. Michael
went "public", and the rest is history.
Finally, the big questions are these:"Will Tourncoat/Tourniquet ADMIT
that he has been lying"? " WIll he admit that I was right about him all
along"? "Will he try and tear you down because you have unknowningly
"exposed" him"? "Will he be the man that he has always strived to be in
this newsgroup"? " Will he manipulate and ignore everything that has
been said"? "Will he just go away, and come back as another alias?" Does
he have enough courage to "stand up to" Insidious and the other
goons,because they are going to be brutal, if he decides to admit all of
the things that I have been saying"?
Gina, I used to talk to you, as if you were my daughter, and I have
tears in my eyes as I type this post; I hope that you feel better about
yourself, now that you have come "clean."
pam
Boop
> Gina, I used to talk to you, as if you were my daughter, and I have
> tears in my eyes as I type this post; I hope that you feel better about
> yourself, now that you have come "clean."
I have to read Gina's post again because you're reading a lot more into it
than meets the eye.
Astral Weeks
I don't think I ever hid the fact that I used to post here, and I used to be
a fan of Jacksons. I guess I have "come clean" in the respect that you and I
used to talk as friends.
As far as Tourn, I don't know what was said before, I don't know exactly
what all transpired. I didn't set out to "expose" him of anything. I don't
have any problems with Tourn. So I sincerely hope it is not seen as me
"switching sides". Nothing could be further from the truth.
As far as going against you... a lot of things that you have said, Pam,
really put me off. I do not remember you being so vicious towards Les when I
was here several years ago. I guess when you are on that side of the fence,
you wouldn't see something like that. If I remember, you didn't post then
quite as much as you do now (either that, or the fact that the WebTV crew
posted so much made it seem less).
I still don't agree with many things you say. I commend your fandom, but
think you go about it the wrong way. That hasn't changed. What HAS changed
is my response. I like MJInsider, Andy, Tourn, Tattoo... I think they have
legitimate points and a valid reason for being here. I don't think they will
"turn" on me, to be honest. Time will tell, though.
When I left when I was 15 (and perhaps this is a little more than I should
say on a public forum), I was involved with a MUCH older man (18+ years my
senior). Subsequently, that man raped me, and he is no longer in the picture
(needless to say). The taunts from the non-fans didn't drive me away, the
control-freak I was seeing pulled me away. I have aged beyond my twenty
years from that experience.
This man also lived in Colorado. When I severed ties with him, it also
ruined my plans for college at the time (yes, I planned to go out there with
him. Christ, was I stupid). For a year, I worked menial jobs, and went
through a major depression. The guy I was seeing at this time (my age,
local) was not helping me much, and in the end, he became verbally and
physically abusive, and I went through court battles and eventually had a
restraining order served against him. I am currently single, and with good
reason.
I finally went back to school, and for a year, I did very well. When I
returned last fall, however, it didn't last. I cracked, I began self-injury
which leaves me with huge scars all over my arms and legs. I withdrew for
medical reasons and went into intense therapy. I have only recently accepted
that the rape was not my fault, that I didn't "deserve" it. I was also
diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, General Anxiety disorder,
and Unipolar depression.
Through therapy, I feel I am a much stronger person now. I no longer cut, I
have made plans to return to University in the fall (I have registered for
my classes and everything), and my life is finally looking good. So THAT is
what happened to me. It ain't pretty, but it's honesty in it's truest form.
This is no pity party, just an explanation. I don't want pity, I have come
out stronger and better for it.
I am still not a Jackson fan. I have tried many times to listen to his
music, as my CD's and records collect dust in my basement. I still like the
older stuff, and up until HIStory, he had some good stuff. But BOTD, and
Invincible are weak, and I think they simply suck. I think his antics are
tired, desperate. I think the way he conducts himself is infuriating. For
these reasons and many more, I no longer support him. He has done too much
to anger me and alienate me.
Well, this is already mighty long, so I will end it here. But there you have
it. I am not ashamed of what has happened in my life, but I am sure it will
serve as fodder for some. I don't care, though, I was honest, as I set out
to be.
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
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Astral Weeks
like.
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
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Astral Weeks
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
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"Ass-troll Geek" <dissen...@hotmail.com> wrote
Deggie
"Astral Weeks" <dissen...@hotmail.com> wrote > When I left when I was 15 (and perhaps this is a little more than I should
> say on a public forum), I was involved with a MUCH older man (18+ years my
> senior). Subsequently, that man raped me, and he is no longer in the picture
> (needless to say). The taunts from the non-fans didn't drive me away, the
> control-freak I was seeing pulled me away. I have aged beyond my twenty
> years from that experience.
>
> This man also lived in Colorado. When I severed ties with him, it also
> ruined my plans for college at the time (yes, I planned to go out there with
> him. Christ, was I stupid). For a year, I worked menial jobs, and went
> through a major depression. The guy I was seeing at this time (my age,
> local) was not helping me much, and in the end, he became verbally and
> physically abusive, and I went through court battles and eventually had a
> restraining order served against him. I am currently single, and with good
Fantasist.
Astral Weeks
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
"Deggie" <deg...@milk-and-cookies.com> wrote in message
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MYopinion
Were you here when Gina used to get upset when the bashers did her just
as Insidious and his trolls are doing to Deggie? Gina was young and
Deggie is young. The difference is that Gina couldn't handle the
pressure because of other things happening in her life and left the
newsgroup. Deggie is still here.
What you are failing to see is that Gina has confirmed what I have been
saying all along about Tourniquet. I don't think that she willingly did
that; but, it is there all the same. I also think that Gina realizes
that I am NOT the person that Insidious and his co-horts want to portray
me as. I don't know why she is remembering me the way that I was, and
the way that I still am. Maybe it's her conscience, I don't know.
I have no problem with her no longer being an MJ fan. I think that she
realizes that she can still disagree with MY opinion without relying on
the lies and outright manipulation of Insidious,Tourncoat and the
others.
My question to you is>" Have you known all along that
Tourniquet/Tourncoat has been lying about being here in the past"?
If so, is there a reason for your support of
this liar?
His whole persona is a lie. My problem with him is that he has tried
desperately to portray me as some delusional person, when there is
NOTHING that I have posted that can be called delusional. My rhetoric is
the exact same as it has always been. I have not wavered in my respect
or admiration for MJ.
If he had been honest, and said>"Yes, I was THAT Tourniquet who used to
dance and imitate MJ, but now I have a problem with him," that would be
different. Instead, he tried to discredit my opinions because of his
alliance with Insidious. At least, when he aligned himself with Leslie
Bell, he was STILL man enough to not try and sway or discredit fans for
having a different opinion.
Podkayne Fries
<deg...@milk-and-cookies.com> wrote:
>
>Hmmmm.... My question is: how did she get poisoned along the way? Who =
>poisoned her? What poisoned her? Was/is she just a weak mind?
Gina grew up and matured. Too bad we can't say the same thing about
you.
--
Regards, Podkayne Fries
"WebTV is for people who think game shows are too hard." - Kibo
BBoop
> Nat,
>
> Were you here when Gina used to get upset when the bashers did her just
> as Insidious and his trolls are doing to Deggie? Gina was young and
> Deggie is young. The difference is that Gina couldn't handle the
> pressure because of other things happening in her life and left the
> newsgroup. Deggie is still here.
Deggie is about the same age as Gina.
> What you are failing to see is that Gina has confirmed what I have been
> saying all along about Tourniquet. I don't think that she willingly did
> that; but, it is there all the same. I also think that Gina realizes
> that I am NOT the person that Insidious and his co-horts want to portray
> me as. I don't know why she is remembering me the way that I was, and
> the way that I still am. Maybe it's her conscience, I don't know.
Tourniquet says he's been here since the beginning. What he denies is
your claim that some "WebTV Crew" made him look bad which I doubt very
much. He can hold his own very well.
>
> My question to you is>" Have you known all along that
> Tourniquet/Tourncoat has been lying about being here in the past"?
Again, he says he's been here since the beginning of the newsgroup.
> If so, is there a reason for your support of
> this liar?
He's one of the few people in this newsgroup who has a great sense of
humor and who has intelligence and common sense at the same time. It's
easy to tell when he's speaking with tongue in cheek and when he's
actually getting annoyed.
Justin Pugh
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Justin Pugh
Guys lets keep the Haters vs the Fans.... thats the only thing that keeps
this group even remotely worth coming back to every single day!
If everyone in here was a fan, it would get extremely boring...
"Astral Weeks" <dissen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Tourniquet
>ahahahahahaah
>
>Guys lets keep the Haters vs the Fans.... thats the only thing that keeps
>this group even remotely worth coming back to every single day!
>
>If everyone in here was a fan, it would get extremely boring...
Justin, for once I agree with your sorry ass.
JAMESJOYCE2003
interest in him.
SO SAD!!
BBoop
> Justin, for once I agree with your sorry ass.
Me too. MJ hasn't done anything worth talking about so the screaming is
the only thing going on.
Lady Motown
LOL! She definately is...
"If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself, and then make a change"
(Man In The Mirror - Michael Jackson)
Lady Motown
Special Gina,
Don't get mad with Deggie because she don't believe your BS stories...
You have any more sym"pathetic" stories you want to share? <smirk>
Astral Weeks
are the biggest waste of good air I have ever encountered on the 'net. Pam
and Tourn wanted to know, I answered them. Don't like it? Too bad, fuck off
somewhere else.
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
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Astral Weeks
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
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Astral Weeks
the likes of Doggie or Mootown. Tourn asked what happened to me, and Pam
expressed that she thought maybe the non-fans from back then drove me away.
I simply wanted to point out that that was not the case, and clear things
up. I also think that it is important to know where a person is coming from.
Didn't you express curiosity as to what happened to me too, Doggie? How soon
we forget.
Besides, I am curious, what is so difficult to believe in that post? Is it
difficult to believe that women are raped everyday? Is it difficult to
believe that people (especially women) suffer from depression, self-injure?
Is that funny, or something that anyone would want to lie about? I think if
I said something more elaborate or unbelievable, your ("your" being the
stupid Sheep assholes) reaction would be warranted. But guess what; women
are victimized everyday - by men, by other women, by themselves.
It's called reality. Look into it.
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
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MJInsider
Do not pay any attention to these insentive jackasses. People who tell mothers
to have oral sex with their children and the those that cheer it on, are not
even worth your time. They have no self respect or integrity. You have overcome
some tremendous obstacle in life and are no doubt strong and level head young
lady. You have what they all lack, courage, honesty and a good self esteem.
Keep on growing and improving everyday of your life.
Astral Weeks
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
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Deggie
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Deggie
What kind of whore are you???
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Deggie
"MJInsider" <mjin...@aol.com> wrote > Do not pay any attention to these insentive jackasses. People who tell mothers
Pardon me while I puke.
Is that your faux-sympathetic stock answer (token pat on the shoulder) to any fantasist with a vivid imagination who's anti-MJ?
Look, Gina is not a vicitim, a damsel in distress poor thing: she is very much capable of hate. She's nasty, I'm telling you!
JAMESJOYCE2003
>believe that people (especially women) suffer from depression, self-injure?
I believe you, sweetheart. I have had TWO boyfriends who both cut themselves
regularly and also got quite suicidal. Can't say that I have ever done
something like that personally, because i am too self-obsessed to do so. But it
is VERY real...and I believe you 100%. And they were both very sexy young men
too (one 18, the other 22). Well, the one had a small penis, but the other was
very nicely constructed. Still, they suffered from internal dilemnas and
demons, the likes of which i had a hard time understanding. oh well...
JAMESJOYCE2003
>I think you are a fantasist, but if what you're saying is true (and =
>again, I HIGHLY doubt it) why/how did you get involved with a man 18 =
>years your senior?
>What kind of whore are you???
Well if she was spending most of her time at 15 playing with Pam and some WEB
TV Crew (pardon me while I laugh), she was probably pathetic and messed
up....just desperate for attention. And predators pick up on this. They know
what to look for. She probably thought it was love. MJ is 44... clearly, she'd
have no problems sucking his cock... so she probably didn't feel the need to
exclude her elders.
JAMESJOYCE2003
>are the biggest waste of good air I have ever encountered on the 'net. Pam
>and Tourn wanted to know, I answered them. Don't like it? Too bad, fuck off
>somewhere else.
>
When you put out information like this and spew hate in the next breath, is it
any surprise that your VICTIMS use this information against you? Like -- duh!
BBoop
> I think you are a fantasist, but if what you're saying is true (and again,
> I HIGHLY doubt it) why/how did you get involved with a man 18 years your
> senior? What kind of whore are you???
Geez Deggie. Is MJ worth becoming such a nasty person over?
Casestudy26
> I think you are a fantasist, but if what you're saying is true (and again, I HIGHLY doubt it) why/how did you get involved with a man 18 years your senior?
> What kind of whore are you???
Why Deggie would Astral make something like this up? And what has age
difference got to do with the payment for sex? My guess is Deggie you
don't get serviced, paid or unpaid.
MYopinion
he denies is your claim that some "WebTV Crew" made him look bad.."
Nat,
Tourncoat has denied several times being the Tourniquet that Gina and I
said that he was. When Gina first came to this newsgroup, she gave him a
"shout out" and he denied that he was THAT Tourniquet. Perrin came here
to visit, adn asked if he was THAT Tourniquet and he denied it again.
It is strange how you seem to ignore the things that you don't WANT to
beieve. If you remember Tourncoat even denied that there was a "WebTV
Crew". Gina confirms that there WAS one, and that she was a part of it.
Are you saying that she is lying, as you are implying that I am?
The "Web TV Crew" was made up of Charlie Botero,Chris,Ike Turner, and
several other guys. There were a lot of WebTV users during that time,
but only about 5 or 6 of them called themselves the "WebTV Crew". I was
never a part of that "crew", but found the guys to be hilarious. They
took Les to task many times. Tourniquet "supported" Les' opinions and
the tore Tournie to "pieces" every day, until he finally left the
newsgroup. For the record, Tournie and I used to be "friends", but he
wondered why I thought that Charlie and the guys were funny. It had
nothing to do with Tourncoat, but these guys had some "stories", that
could have been used in any comedy skits. Tourniquet never forgave me
because I would not go against these guys. He thought that I should
openly rebuke them.
Tourniquet/Tourncoat came back to this forum as a complete "hater." He
denied that he was ever THE Tourniquet who had defended MJ or danced
like him or anything. Unlike Gina, TournCOAT has denied that he was ever
the person that used to be a fervent, almost fanatical fan.
He defended MJ as much as I do now,except he also began to agree with
Les and the "crew" took him to task.
There have been several people here who have verified that there was a
"WebTV Crew." Gina has confimed what I have been saying all along.
Tourncoat was here at that time(even though he has denined being that
person) and that the "crew" used to "mess with him."
Are you still going to tell me that you don't believe that it happened?
The Tourniquet that you see now,has a different persona. THIS Tourncoat
is a lying,manipulative, cowardly hypocrite. Maybe the guys "ribbing"
him, affected his psyche. I do know that he was a completely different
person then, than he is now.
My main problem with him has always been his flat-out denial and refusal
to be be MAN enough to admit that what I have been saying is true.
I wonder why he has been silent since GIna "exposed" him, and for
confiriming that there really was a "WebTV Crew". He claimed that I was
delusional, and you all fell for his lie.
Ironic, how Insidious AND Tourncoat are both being exposed at the same
time for being liars and cowards. Let's see what lie, Tourcoat has to
rebuke what I have said.
pk
Lady Motown
>are the biggest waste of good air I have ever encountered on the 'net. Pam
>and Tourn wanted to know, I answered them. Don't like it? Too bad, fuck off
>somewhere else.
"Special" Gina,
You say I don't speak in "civil tone"???
Hyporcrite. You telling someone that they are a waste of good air and to "fuck
off" doesn't sound civil to me. It sounds like you are uptight and need
medication...
Now don't get pissed with me because you wanted sympathy and did'nt get it. If
you want attention and sympathy then get a pet or better yet go talk to your
therapist because no one else want to hear your pitiful BS stories...
P.S.
I think it's time for you to take your medication again sweety.
BBoop
> It is strange how you seem to ignore the things that you don't WANT to
> beieve. If you remember Tourncoat even denied that there was a "WebTV
> Crew". Gina confirms that there WAS one, and that she was a part of it.
> Are you saying that she is lying, as you are implying that I am?
I think you just don't know when people are trying to come across as
silly and when they're being serious. Do you think that the name
Tourniquet would be used by two different people? He knows that they
wouldn't be and by saying he's not, he's showing how people should think
a little harder because it should be obvious.
He's said enough times that he was here from the start.
> The "Web TV Crew" was made up of Charlie Botero,Chris,Ike Turner, and
> several other guys. There were a lot of WebTV users during that time,
> but only about 5 or 6 of them called themselves the "WebTV Crew". I was
> never a part of that "crew", but found the guys to be hilarious. They
> took Les to task many times.
I really doubt WebTV people could take Les to task. It appears that you
think screaming and hollering at somebody puts them in their place, but
Les, if he's the same person as NB, would walk all over a bunch of
WebTVers.
>
> There have been several people here who have verified that there was a
> "WebTV Crew."
Yes, it makes me laugh at the thought.
> Are you still going to tell me that you don't believe that it happened?
Who cares? They were called a WebTV crew. That says it all.
> The Tourniquet that you see now,has a different persona. THIS Tourncoat
> is a lying,manipulative, cowardly hypocrite. Maybe the guys "ribbing"
> him, affected his psyche. I do know that he was a completely different
> person then, than he is now.
You'll have to post some of those old posts to show how much he's
changed because it's hard for me to tell you if you're reading things
incorrectly or not without seeing them for myself.
> My main problem with him has always been his flat-out denial and refusal
> to be be MAN enough to admit that what I have been saying is true.
Again, try to look between the lines.
> I wonder why he has been silent since GIna "exposed" him, and for
> confiriming that there really was a "WebTV Crew". He claimed that I was
> delusional, and you all fell for his lie.
Gina didn't expose anything in that post. Again, you read so much into
it that nobody else, including Gina, sees.
> Ironic, how Insidious AND Tourncoat are both being exposed at the same
> time for being liars and cowards. Let's see what lie, Tourcoat has to
> rebuke what I have said.
He'll probably just have a good laugh since we can pretty much see the
flavor of things.
Tattoo Vampire
> I think you are a fantasist, but if what you're saying is true (and again, I
> HIGHLY doubt it) why/how did you get involved with a man 18 years your
> senior? What kind of whore are you???
Deggie, that's something we'd expect Pameloon to say and not you. Obviously
you're just as hateful a bitch as she is.
--
[Tattoo Vampire] "Seeding the night at the inker's parlor"
Proudly serving quality posts to Usenet for over seven years
To err is human. To REALLY screw things up you must log in as root.
Lady Motown
>to any fantasist with a vivid imagination who's anti-MJ?
>very much capable of hate. She's nasty, I'm telling you!
>
I agree Deggs. Gina is not a victim but she is a damsel in distress. Gina just
wants attention because Pam beat her butt again and now she has the audacity to
try to play on Pam's sympathy(along with everyone elses sympathy) Poor pathetic
little imp...
And I also agree with you when you say that "special" Gina is "nasty" because
according to her little lesbian fantasy story she made up about me and Pam she
doesn't sound like a victim to me. Gina sound more like an abuser...
Tourniquet
>Gina sound more like an abuser...
Please.
Astral Weeks
Therefore, I will not afford you the same courtesy. I don't want anyone's
pity. Like I said, two people asked, I told them why I hadn't been here in
so long and why my opinions changed.
If you think anyone deserves pity, then pity the thousands upon thousands of
rape victims who are still blaming themselves to this very day, still
hurting themselves, still living miserable lives because of the men who
ruined them.
Don't pity me, because I am a much stronger person having survived and
thrived after a dark period in my life. If you think that is something to
poke fun at (and I knew you would), then shame on you, and I only hope that
something terrible like that never happens to you.
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
"Lady Motown" <moto...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20030519081130...@mb-m10.aol.com...
Astral Weeks
one here is a victim.
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
"JAMESJOYCE2003" <jamesjo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030519064059...@mb-m22.aol.com...
Astral Weeks
I expected such a response from the likes of you and Mootown. Like I told
her, poke fun all you like, but I really hope something like that never
happens to you.
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
"Deggie" <deg...@milk-and-cookies.com> wrote in message
news:baa91t$cra$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
Astral Weeks
age to know better. Or at least, young and naive.
Then again, according to you, a fourteen year old can fuck a 50 year old and
it's no big whoop. Talk about a hypocrite.
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
"JAMESJOYCE2003" <jamesjo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030519063935...@mb-m22.aol.com...
MJInsider
<< Deggie <deg...@milk-and-cookies.com> wrote:
>>
Yeah, what happen to Deggie, the Fluffy sheep? :(
MJInsider
::snips Deggies Hate remarks::
<< Deggie, that's something we'd expect Pameloon to say and not you. Obviously
you're just as hateful a bitch as she is. >>
Well, I think Deggie just turned 30 and she has not married MJ. Maybe this why
she is so hateful now.
Lady Motown
Thank you.
Tourniquet
> "If you wanna make the world a better place
> Take a look at yourself, and then make a change"
> (Man In The Mirror - Michael Jackson)
Why be so cruel and then use a signature like that? It makes *you* look
rather stupid.
foreverfan
I dumped him later on cause he had more things what
made me think he was weird.
http://www.michael-jackson.beginthier.nl
Over 290 Michael Jackson links
MJInsider
<< What victims? Seriously, do you have any idea what you are talking about? No
one here is a victim. >>
Someone tell that to the Loon, please.
MJInsider
<< Nat says>"Tourniquet says that he has been here from the beginning. What
he denies is your claim that some "WebTV Crew" made him look bad.." >>
Just reading the name Web TV crew makes me crack up laughing :-) But let's be
honest here Pam. Isn't the real reason you are so upset with Tourniquet is
because of the Pameloon moniker.
I think many people on the news group were already calling you a Loon when I
first started reading it, and then came Tourniquets stroke of creative genius
when he created the Pameloon name.
I know you are deeply hurt because the name stuck, and everyone either calls
you Loon, or thinks you really are insane. But that is not Tourniquets fault.
You are the one who made the label a reality for yourself by consistently
acting like a....well...like a lunatic!
You think everyone is against you because you are this strong black woman who
loves MJ, and all your students love him and beg you to lecture about him every
day.
And that is just the type of incredulous pompous BS that makes you a deserving
target for all the fine lampooning you receive from people like Tourn, Pimp,
and others.
I mean just look at Rally Goat. He is a music teacher and a big Michael Jackson
fan. But you do not see him complaining and whining about people not liking him
or trying to silence his thoughts and other such nonsense.
Sure he took some good natured ribbing when he first started posting here. And
he gave as good as he took and made friends with everyone, fans and non fans
alike.
And you know what the difference is? The Goat is a not a hateful, vindictive,
mean, dried up prunetic like you are.
And of course Goat has not told and been caught in 100 certified lies like you
have. But I bet if he did make a mistake, or forgot the name of some award some
kids gave him 10 years ago, he would just admit it.
You on the other hand will just lie over and over and over again. For the first
few post it is funny, then it becomes insane. So dont blame it on the
Tourniquet. Dont blame it Les Brown. Just blame it on the Pameloon.
MJInsider
<< MYopinion <Pame...@webtv.net> wrote:
> It is strange how you seem to ignore the things that you don't WANT to
> beieve. If you remember Tourncoat even denied that there was a "WebTV
> Crew". Gina confirms that there WAS one, and that she was a part of it.
> Are you saying that she is lying, as you are implying that I am?
I think you just don't know when people are trying to come across as
silly and when they're being serious. Do you think that the name
Tourniquet would be used by two different people? He knows that they
wouldn't be and by saying he's not, he's showing how people should think
a little harder because it should be obvious. >>
It's amazing you even have to break this down to Pam. I mean she is supposed to
be a grandmother, mother, and she can't read in between the lines any better
than this? How the hell did she raise kids? And she claims to be not just a
teacher, but a music teacher. You would think she would have some type of
analytical skills. If she is indeed telling the truth about being a
grandmother, mother and a music teacher, it is embarrassing.
BBoop
> i had a boyfriend that put sigarettes on his arm.
> I dumped him later on cause he had more things what
> made me think he was weird.
The burns would have done it for me.
MJInsider
<< "MJInsider" <mjin...@aol.com> wrote > Do not pay any attention to =
these insentive jackasses. People who tell mothers
> to have oral sex with their children and the those that cheer it on, =
are not
> even worth your time. They have no self respect or integrity. You have =
overcome
> some tremendous obstacle in life and are no doubt strong and level =
head young
> lady. You have what they all lack, courage, honesty and a good self =
esteem.
> Keep on growing and improving everyday of your life.
Pardon me while I puke.
Is that your faux-sympathetic stock answer (token pat on the shoulder) =
to any fantasist with a vivid imagination who's anti-MJ?
Look, Gina is not a vicitim, a damsel in distress poor thing: she is =
very much capable of hate. She's nasty, I'm telling you!
>>
No Deggie. You are wrong. Your post post are no longer fun or entertaining.
You have simply turned into a hateful person. :-(
Tourniquet
> No Deggie. You are wrong. Your post post are no longer fun or entertaining.
> You have simply turned into a hateful person. :-(
It apparently either wasn't a long journey, or she was a natural all along.
It's weird how so many of Jackson's flock turn out to be just the type of
people Jackson claims he hates. Maybe he can't win after all.
Tourniquet
Oh for God's sake, Loon, quit obsessing over little 'ol me and GET A LIFE.
Lady Motown
I don't...
But if you didn't want pitty then you wouldn't have gotten depressed and posted
your sad story here to get attention now would you?
Not saying that I'm non-sympathic but if it is true another way you could have
told me or anyone else on this NG is by "email".
>because I am a much stronger person having survived and
>thrived after a dark period in my life.
Well if it is true(and I doubt it) my heart sincerely goes out to you, but my
point is why are you posting it here in alt.music.michael-jackson?
> If you think that is something to
>poke fun at (and I knew you would), then shame on you,
No, rape is not anything to poke fun at, but
save your bs stories or guilt trips for someone esle because they don't work on
me.
>and I only hope that
>something terrible like that never happens to you.
And I hope the same for you too hun...
Lady Motown
>
Because I can be...
Kiss my gluteus maximus.
Have a nice day.... <smirk>
Tourniquet
> Kiss my gluteus maximus.
^^^^
You misspelled kick. Though I wouldn't want to ruin a good boot.
EmmaPeachbuns
>
'Person' is a bit of a stretch.
Jilly
BBoop
> Well if it is true(and I doubt it) my heart sincerely goes out to you, but my
> point is why are you posting it here in alt.music.michael-jackson?
Lady, she posted it because two people asked her why she left, that it
must have been something personal, so she answered with that post.
MJInsider
<< Not saying that I'm non-sympathic >>
I will. You hateful hypocrital loon,
Tourniquet
> Lady
That's a bit of a stretch.
[a post inspired by Jilly]
Astral Weeks
posted
>your sad story here to get attention now would you?
It wasn't a sad story, really, especially in retrospect. If anything, I
would think it is a pretty inspirational story because I am survived and am
a stronger person for it. I wasn't depressed when I wrote it, and I would
prefer not to get attention, especially from people like you.
>Not saying that I'm non-sympathic but if it is true another way you could
have
>told me or anyone else on this NG is by "email".
Maybe I should have. But I was answering what I perceived as serious
inquiries.
>Well if it is true(and I doubt it) my heart sincerely goes out to you, but
my
>point is why are you posting it here in alt.music.michael-jackson?
Because Tourn asked, and Pam indicated she wanted to know as well.
>No, rape is not anything to poke fun at, but
>save your bs stories or guilt trips for someone esle because they don't
work on
>me.
Have you ever raped someone? If not, why would you feel guilty? Unless you
or anyone here has carried out such a heinous act, there is no need for you
or anyone to feel guilty. I will still post, still rebuke you or anyone else
I disagree with. It's as simple as that.
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
"Lady Motown" <moto...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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Lady Motown
>must have been something personal, so she answered with that post.
>
Nat,
You know me, and you know that I'm concerned about what happens with Gina or
anyone person. Gina can post what ever she likes because it's her perogative
but that post was very "personal" and she shouldn't post on the internet when
she's feeling so "vunerable" for her own safety and she should have posted it
to someone she knows well.
Lady Motown
For my response to your post see the post that I wrote to Nat.
>>But if you didn't want pitty then you wouldn't have gotten depressed and
>posted
>>your sad story here to get attention now would you?
>
>It wasn't a sad story, really, especially in retrospect. If anything, I
>would think it is a pretty inspirational story because I am survived and am
>a stronger person for it. I wasn't depressed when I wrote it, and I would
>prefer not to get attention, especially from people like you.
>
>>Not saying that I'm non-sympathic but if it is true another way you could
>have
>>told me or anyone else on this NG is by "email".
>
>Maybe I should have. But I was answering what I perceived as serious
>inquiries.
>
>>Well if it is true(and I doubt it) my heart sincerely goes out to you, but
>my
>>point is why are you posting it here in alt.music.michael-jackson?
>
>Because Tourn asked, and Pam indicated she wanted to know as well.
>
>>No, rape is not anything to poke fun at, but
>>save your bs stories or guilt trips for someone esle because they don't
>work on
>>me.
>
>Have you ever raped someone? If not, why would you feel guilty? Unless you
>or anyone here has carried out such a heinous act, there is no need for you
>or anyone to feel guilty. I will still post, still rebuke you or anyone else
>I disagree with. It's as simple as that.
>
"If you wanna make the world a better place
EmmaPeachbuns
>
>That's a bit of a stretch.
>
>[a post inspired by Jilly]
>
Hehehehehe:)))
Jilly
Astral Weeks
the way you did. I agree I probably shouldn't have said as much as I did,
but I am not ashamed of what happened to me. I have no reason to feel
ashamed, as I know now it wasn't my fault. I've made mistakes in my life,
but nothing to warrant that.
I often volunteer to council women who have been raped. It is no lauging
matter. I feel better when I share my story with others, and if somehow, I
help one person by postining my very personal story, then it is worth the
criticism I recieve.
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
"Lady Motown" <moto...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20030519192735...@mb-m28.aol.com...
Tourniquet
> You know me, and you know that I'm concerned about what happens with Gina or
> anyone person. Gina can post what ever she likes because it's her perogative
> but that post was very "personal" and she shouldn't post on the internet when
> she's feeling so "vunerable" for her own safety and she should have posted it
> to someone she knows well.
And for once I agree with *your* sorry ass.
Gina, I sort of cringed when I saw you post that, (I wish I hadn't asked)
because hateful people, like you know who, will try to use it against you -
to hurt you. You've already seen how evil these so-called "make the world
a better place" hypocrites can be. And it's just a matter of time before
Pameloon jumps on the bandwagon an starts trying to use this against you.
You've seen what she tries to do to me. Luckily her memory isn't good
enough to go back and remember everything that she thinks she knows about
Tourniquet. :-)
Well, just be careful. There are some real cruel people out there -
Motown, Deggie, Amazon and Pameloon to name a few.
Tourniquet
> Just reading the name Web TV crew makes me crack up laughing :-)
Me too. LOL
> But let's be
> honest here Pam. Isn't the real reason you are so upset with Tourniquet is
> because of the Pameloon moniker.
>
> I think many people on the news group were already calling you a Loon when I
> first started reading it, and then came Tourniquets stroke of creative genius
> when he created the Pameloon name.
>
> I know you are deeply hurt because the name stuck, and everyone either calls
> you Loon, or thinks you really are insane. But that is not Tourniquets fault.
I love you, man. :-)
MJInsider
<< >Lady, she posted it because two people asked her why she left, that it
>must have been something personal, so she answered with that post.
>
Nat,
You know me, and you know that I'm concerned about what happens with Gina or
anyone person. Gina can post what ever she likes because it's her perogative
but that post was very "personal" and she shouldn't post on the internet when
she's feeling so "vunerable" for her own safety and she should have posted it
to someone she knows well.>>
Gina can post whatever she wants on this news group. You need to quite your
lame as excuses and for once take responsibility for actions You think you can
take the cop out and just criticize James Joyce and all is forgotten. But that
does not change the fact you supported his remarks until every chewed you out.
What you need to do is apologize to Gina. You hypocritical cow.
And what doee this siggy suppose to mean anyway?
"If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself, and then make a change"
(Man In The Mirror - Michael Jackson)
>>
--
If you're ill at least you won't dress provocatively, thus you won't =
encourage men to rape you.
"Deggie" deg...@milk-and-cookies.com
Deggie
"Astral Weeks" <dissen...@hotmail.com> wrote
> matter. I feel better when I share my story with others
Do you also tell them you hate Michael Jackson?
MYopinion
I am sorry for what happened to you. I never knew What had happened.
Thank you for telling me.
I don't know if you have already posted this but, why did you stop being
an MJ fan after saying that you would always love him and be a fan? Just
wondering?
pam
MYopinion
Surely, you are not saying that the things that Tourncoat, Insidious and
their co-horts are "silly"? Do you even read what these people say? If
you think they are just being silly, then what is considered "serious"
to you?
Since you weren't here during the reign of the "Crew", you can't surmise
that these guys used so-called "screaming" tactics. They walked all over
Les. He was the one who left and came back under another alias. They
basically ran his butt off of this newsgroup. Their tactics were humorus
and persistent. They hit him from every corner and he couldn't handle
it.
Btw, the guys gave themselves the name "WebTV Crew" as a tongue-in-cheek
thing. They were never serious. You see I can tell the difference
between "silly" and
"serious". Every rebuttal of Les was filled with humor, but it got the
job done.
The bottomline is that Les got his ass whipped by a group of young guys,
who took everything with a grain of salt.
Now,those guys were "silly". Anyone who was here knew that.Les was scum,
but Insidious and his "gang" are far worse with their "stalking" and
efforts to "silence" fans' opinions and thoughts.
Btw, can you tell me what is "silly" about Insidious' efforts to have a
NATIONAL search for a PTA award? Do you think that he was just being
silly, when he e-mailed and called trying to "invade a person's
privacy." Would you feel the same way if a psychotic nut was doing the
same to you?
Everything that Insidious,Tourncoat and the rest do, does not equate
with "silliness." They are too old for "silly" behaviour. I don't
consider "stalking" to be "silly", do you?
There should not be "rules" for the fans and another set of "rules" for
Tourncoat and the rest. IF what they are doing is just silly, little
games, then ANYTHING that fans say in a rebuttal has to be taken in the
same vein.
Finally, Tourncoat has never been man enough to admit that he was here
from the start, or is the same Tourniquet that I have been speaking of.
He has only lied, twisted, manipulated and denied.
pam
MYopinion
The big question is:"Why did Tourncoat deny that he was the Tourniquet
that Gina mentioned and that I have been saying that he was, all the
time."
Why did Tourncoat begin his vengeful attacks-emails, posting
photos,etc.- when I asked him if he was the SAME Tourn of the old days?
Why is he afraid to admit to his co-horts that he was an MJ imitator who
used to dance at contests and different functions?
Why should he be ashamed of what he once was?
pk
MYopinion
she is "not fun and entertaining" anymore.
I guess he forgot that "people grow up and change."
Deggie, is not here for your or anyone's ENTERTAINMENT.
If you can accept others "growing up", then accept that Deggie is no
longer that "fun-loving, carefree" GIRL, that you people liked to put
down.
pk
Tourniquet
>things that Tourncoat,
>Tourncoat and the rest
>Tourncoat and the rest.
>Finally, Tourncoat has never
>the same Tourniquet
>
>pam
You spend far too much time thinking/obsessing/fantasizing/pining over me,
Loon. I told you to get a life. Tell that make-believe husband of yours to
take you out once in a while. You need *it* bad.
--
"you sound as if you are a "Tom" or "watered-down" Negro"
- MYopinion (Pamela Russell) Pame...@webtv.net AKA Pameloon
Tourniquet
>Deggie <deg...@milk-and-cookies.com> wrote:
>
>> I think you are a fantasist, but if what you're saying is true (and again,
>> I HIGHLY doubt it) why/how did you get involved with a man 18 years your
>> senior? What kind of whore are you???
>
>Geez Deggie. Is MJ worth becoming such a nasty person over?
Why did Deggie ignore this question? <rhetorical question>
BBoop
> Since you weren't here during the reign of the "Crew", you can't surmise
> that these guys used so-called "screaming" tactics. They walked all over
> Les. He was the one who left and came back under another alias. They
> basically ran his butt off of this newsgroup. Their tactics were humorus
> and persistent. They hit him from every corner and he couldn't handle
> it.
I really doubt that. He probably just got bored after a while.
>
> Btw, can you tell me what is "silly" about Insidious' efforts to have a
> NATIONAL search for a PTA award?
I was referring to Tourniquet saying he's not Tourniquet.
>
> Finally, Tourncoat has never been man enough to admit that he was here
> from the start, or is the same Tourniquet that I have been speaking of.
> He has only lied, twisted, manipulated and denied.
That's not really true. He's said more than once that he's been here
from the beginning. I think he even said he started the ng.
MYopinion
That has to be the funniest thing ever. TournCOAT asking someone else
why they are so cruel.
Shut up you lying hypocrite!
pk
Tourniquet
>Why did Tourncoat begin his vengeful attacks-emails, posting
>photos,etc.- when I asked him if he was the SAME Tourn of the old days?
Because it was fun, you old crow.
>Why is he afraid to admit to his co-horts that he was an MJ imitator who
>used to dance at contests and different functions?
>
>Why should he be ashamed of what he once was?
>
>pk
Oh, you are a loon.
Tourniquet
>
>Shut up you lying hypocrite!
Shut up you hypocritical-certified-pathological-racist-liar-loon.
MJInsider
<< Pame...@webtv.net (Pameloon) wrote:
>things that Tourncoat,
>Tourncoat and the rest
>Tourncoat and the rest.
>Finally, Tourncoat has never
>the same Tourniquet
>
>pam>>
Damn, the Loon really needs to.... well ya know.
MJInsider
<< If
you think they are just being silly, then what is considered "serious"
to you? >>
Well I consider the following terrorist death wish made by you pretty serious:
"Pame...@webtv.net (MYopinion) wrote:
"Maybe next time Osama can aim a little closer to home-YOURS.")
You have yet to apologize for it or even put it in any context that would make
it justifiable and appropriate for a decent human being to say.
<< Since you weren't here during the reign of the "Crew", >>
That sentence just makes me LMAO! Especially Pam taking it so serious.
<< Les. He was the one who left and came back under another alias. They
basically ran his butt off of this newsgroup. Their tactics were humorus
and persistent. They hit him from every corner and he couldn't handle
it. >>
Everyone else that was there says this Les whipped your butt. Which I find
believable based on your present record being humiliation and lies.
<< You see I can tell the difference
between "silly" and
"serious". >>
Oh please you can't even tell the difference between having a PTA
membership/award in several cities and PTA membership/award from a school in
your city.
BTW, did you ever explain why you would make such a false implication then lie
and say you did not make it? I know several people asked you, including Nat and
Gina.
<< Les was scum,
but Insidious and his "gang" are far worse with their "stalking" and
efforts to "silence" fans' opinions and thoughts.
>>
Have you ever been to a country Lake? Nothing can silence a Loon. You have been
maniacally flapping your trap for better part of a decade now. I suspect this
is how you will die. Cursing and spitting about imaginary villains you never
met and the glory days of your web TV crew.
<< Btw, can you tell me what is "silly" about Insidious' efforts to have a
NATIONAL search for a PTA award? >>
I can tell you what is silly, is that you claimed to have made numerous calls
to the NATIONAL PTA to check on yourself. Why would you be searching for your
own NATIONAL PTA awards, if you already knew you did not have one?
<< Do you think that he was just being
silly, when he e-mailed and called trying to "invade a person's
privacy." >>
Okay let's get this straight you Looney old bat. You posted your alleged award
on a public forum and cursed, taunted, and dared me or anyone to email or call.
No one forced you to say a damn thing. You got off on the attention everyone
was giving to you. Probably the only excitement you have had in years, you
crusty old crow.
<< Would you feel the same way if a psychotic nut was doing the
same to you? >>
Dear Certified Loon:
What is absolutely psychotic is when you demand strangers search out and post
so called private information about you. Then when they do not do it to your
satisfaction, you turn around and scream invasion of privacy. Let's look at
your record:
Date: 2003-05-01 10:01:54 PST
<< Pame...@webtv.net (MYopinion) wrote:
<< "Insidious,For a while there, I thought that you REALLY had some credible
resources. This thread just goes to show me that you really are
psychotic. You know that you have NOT e-mailed every Parent Teacher
Association. Why are you afraid to admit to your fellow
haters, that you are a lying coward? " >>
END PAM QUOTE
Now does the above quote sound like someone who does not want people to check
into their PTA back ground, or does it sound like a taunt, indeed a dare for
people to dig deeper? Let's look at some other examples of the Loon's
delusional behavior.
Pame...@webtv.net (MYopinion) wrote:Date: 2003-05-04 06:16:04 PST
"You really are a stupid,igorant lying bitch or bastard. You are so DESPERATE,
that you can't even get your facts straight."
END PAM QUOTE
Clearly another taunt. And again I ask, does this sound like someone who wants
the situation to go away, or like a Loon who is getting off on the attention
and wants to fan the flames? And if that was not enough to show how utterly
insane Pam is for claiming she is stalking victim, look at the following.
MYopinion (Pame...@webtv.net) wrote on
Date: 2003-05-02 17:15:27 PST
<<"Jeffrey,
You are correct. Insidious Instigator has not done any research about
any PTAs. He/she is too much of a cowardly wussy to investigate
anything."
I hope that you and the other MJ fans take note that he/she is now
saying,"Who cares if you are a teacher or not?" Why the sudden about
face? Instigator has been dead-set on proving that I am not a teacher.
Now he/she is saying that it does not matter if I am a teacher or not.
What could this creature have found out? Why the sudden disinterest
about me being a teacher? There is something that this cretin is not
telling.....">>
As you can see from the above statement, Pam is practically begging for me to
post what she thinks is some secret private information, I am holding back. Of
course none exist, the only thing information available is what is in the PTA
public databases of the state and national PTA. Pam creates these imaginary
scenarios so she can then come back and whine and cry for sympathy and claim
invasion of privacy. Well, no one is falling for it Pameloon. You are a proven
liar and a clear psychopath Now I suggest you go back on your prozac and stop
creating these paranoid delusional fantasies.
MJInsider
<< How hypocritical that Insidious is trying to make Deggie guilty, because
she is "not fun and entertaining" anymore.
I guess he forgot that "people grow up and change. >>
Yeah, they can into hateful lying loons like you. But I wouldn't wish that
cruel fate on a rat.
MJInsider
<< BettyBo...@hotmail.com (BBoop) wrote: >>
<< Why did Deggie ignore this question? <rhetorical question> >>
She is becoming more and more like her mentor Pameloon.
Deggie
"Tourcoat" <x...@neverland.org> wrote > Why did Deggie ignore this question? <rhetorical question>
I explained it to Nat in another thread. Here it is:
"Deggie" <deg...@milk-and-cookies.com> wrote in message news:bac0mc$nhs$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
Nat, I knew you were going to object to it.
I admit I overstepped the mark, this time.
But I wanted to say something outrageous just for the hell of it, just for once, to upset stupid Gina.
She's the sickest of the haters, even sicker than Insider.
I can't stand her. She's a malicious fantasist, a phony!
"BBoop" <BettyBo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1fv7zf3.1b6h9gd2ees9eN%BettyBo...@hotmail.com...
> Deggie <deg...@milk-and-cookies.com> wrote:
>
> > If you're ill at least you won't dress provocatively,
> > thus you won't encourage men to rape you.
>
> Come on Deggie, that's not even civil. Nothing anybody has said on here
> would ever make me say something like that, not even the awful thing
> little Justin said.
>
> How would you like it if it had happened to you after these concerts you
> dressed in tight "sexy" shirts, as you say, to impress MJ? Would you
> want a defense attorney accusing you of asking to be violated? Think
> about it.
Astral Weeks
me. But you know what? It's okay. It isn't anything I am ashamed of. Maybe
two years ago, I would have been, but I am not now. I am stronger for it, so
I will take their insults if they are low enough to go there.
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
"Tourniquet" <x...@neverland.org> wrote in message
news:1660j7w3equoz$.1xj970xpko0wp.dlg@40tude.net...
Astral Weeks
Besides, why should they care?
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
"Deggie" <deg...@milk-and-cookies.com> wrote in message
news:bac0vf$19f$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
Astral Weeks
listened to music that reflected that. Once I came out of that, I tried to
go back to Jackson's music, but it seemed weak.
I found rock and roll. I re-discovered the Beatles. I discovered Neil Young,
Van Morrison, Bob Dylan, Cat Stevens. I discovered the music of my
ancestors, the Irish. I discovered folk. It's hard to enjoy pop after you
have heard all of this.
As far as him personally, I guess I never expected him to do some of the
things that he has done since, and I simply cannot support him when he pulls
stunts that I feel are embarrassing or dangerous.
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
"MYopinion" <Pame...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19812-3EC...@storefull-2378.public.lawson.webtv.net...
Astral Weeks
--
Gina
"Michael Jackson's just trying to cop my shit. I was insane years ago..."
Neil Young, 1988
"Deggie" <deg...@milk-and-cookies.com> wrote in message
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Andy
What difference would that make that you turd.
JAMESJOYCE2003
>make
>it justifiable and appropriate for a decent human being to say.
MJInsidious: If I had one dream, it woudl be for Osama to come into your house,
rape you by fucking your brains out, and then put a bomb in your anus.
>Nothing can silence a Loon.
Then why do you keep harassing this proud black woman? Because you're a racist?
>Cursing and spitting about imaginary villains you never
>met and the glory days of your web TV crew.
How dare you talk that way to your superiors, MJInsider.
>you
>crusty old crow.
Jealous that the crusty old crow can get more guys than your fat ass? Poor
baby.
>does this sound like someone who wants
>the situation to go away
Pam, if you ever stopped posting here, this LOON would probably harass you by
phone or in person. He's schizophrenic.
>to show how utterly
>insane Pam is for claiming she is stalking victim,
Most people here know you stalk her. It's pretty obvious when you write 10-30
posts about Pamela Kay Russell each day. Will it progress to the offline. Will
you leave Burger King to go follow her around with a video camera next? I
honestly hope you get some help - for your sake and Pam's - because I am REALLY
scared you will hurt. That's the only reason I came here - to try and help Pam
change so that you don't come murder her - but now I see that there is no
escaping you. I just wish she could get a restraining order against you. You
really love battering women, don't you, you sick fuck?
> Now I suggest you go back on your prozac and stop
>creating these paranoid delusional fantasies.
>
I don't know WHAT you take, little boy, but you need to get your mental health
issues taken care of. This obssession you have with Pamela Kay Russell is
frightening and worrisome to many regulars AND lurkers here. Please get some
help, MJInsider.
JAMESJOYCE2003
>
>What difference would that make that you turd.
She caused herself to get raped so she could pretend Michael Jackson did it.
THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
JAMESJOYCE2003
>
My point exactly - she is almost a worse abuser than MJInsider.
JAMESJOYCE2003
>You are the one who made the label a reality for yourself by consistently
>acting like a....well...like a lunatic!
Woman beaters like you FABRICATED crap about Pam because you like to batter
women. What's the matter, MJInsider - is your wife in the hospital from your
beatings? Need a new girl to pick on?
>
>You think everyone is against you because you are this strong black woman
Why do you target this strong black woman for your racism and woman battering
every single day, MJinsider? "Oh let me wake up and go write 30 posts
brutalizing a sweet chorus teacher." Pretty sick, huh, MJincestuous?
>But you do not see him complaining and whining about people not liking him
>or trying to silence his thoughts and other such nonsense.
>
Him. He's a he. And you wanna fuck him, no doubt. But Pamela, she's a proud
black woman and a female, so you target her because YOU like to batter women.
>The Goat is a not a hateful, vindictive,
>mean, dried up prunetic like you are.
Spew that hate, MJIncestor.
JAMESJOYCE2003
>
>
in a greek way that conjures up images of paterian pederasty. you sick fuck.
JAMESJOYCE2003
>that Gina mentioned and that I have been saying that he was, all the
>time."
He doesn't want everyone to picture him as a glitzy, limp-wristed faggot just
dying to suck MJ's cock. Ugh.... stay away, little dancing fairy.
>Why did Tourncoat begin his vengeful attacks-emails, posting
>photos,etc.- when I asked him if he was the SAME Tourn of the old days?
When he VICTIMIZED you, he got the favor of MJInsider, who he has a crush on.
By doing the VICTIMIZING, he was no longer a VICTIM of the WebTV Crew. It
raised his low self-esteem.
>Why should he be ashamed of what he once was?
He can't stand the homophobic beatings. They HAVE SILENCED him. He's a coward
who won't admit to his homosexuality.
MYopinion
Pot callling the kettle black?
You are the obsessed one, liar.
Btw, when are you going to admit that you are a cowardly liar? You can't
deny your "past" any longer, you have been exposed.
pk
MYopinion
Continues her "brain-dead" ramblings. Does this zombie do anything other
than "trip" around the newsgroup in a perpetual daze?
pk