Apple Browser ?
Mark Garcia
IE and Netscape for years but as you know there is always some glitch
one way or another. Dose anyone know if Apple will ever produce a
browser only for macs.
Just felt like throwing in my two cents.
Mark
J.C. Voss
> I sure would be great if Apple could make a browser for Macs. I have use
> IE and Netscape for years but as you know there is always some glitch
> one way or another. Dose anyone know if Apple will ever produce a
> browser only for macs.
Well they did make one -- Cyberdog -- but I think they stopped the
development of it in 1997 or something. You can get it here:
<ftp://ftp.phil.uni-sb.de/pub/mac/internet-cyberdog/>
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Andy Hewitt
> Mark Garcia <no...@its.caltech.edu> wrote:
>
> > I sure would be great if Apple could make a browser for Macs. I have use
> > IE and Netscape for years but as you know there is always some glitch
> > one way or another. Dose anyone know if Apple will ever produce a
> > browser only for macs.
>
> Well they did make one -- Cyberdog -- but I think they stopped the
> development of it in 1997 or something. You can get it here:
> <ftp://ftp.phil.uni-sb.de/pub/mac/internet-cyberdog/>
It does need the old 'Open Doc' software though, does that run OK on OS
9 onwards?
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J.C. Voss
> It does need the old 'Open Doc' software though, does that run OK on OS
> 9 onwards?
Just for kicks I tried installing the 'OpenDoc' to try out 'Cyberdog',
resulting in the mac@9.1 crashing during the installation, hence I think
they are both pre OS9 apps. only. Too bad.
griswold
J.C. Voss <hardd...@voss.tfperipherals> wrote:
> Andy Hewitt <hairy...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > It does need the old 'Open Doc' software though, does that run OK on OS
> > 9 onwards?
>
> Just for kicks I tried installing the 'OpenDoc' to try out 'Cyberdog',
> resulting in the mac@9.1 crashing during the installation, hence I think
> they are both pre OS9 apps. only. Too bad.
Although I don't now have it on my disk, I was for a short while
running Cyberdog on OS 9.04. I haven't tried it with 9.1.
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J.C. Voss
> Although I don't now have it on my disk, I was for a short while
> running Cyberdog on OS 9.04. I haven't tried it with 9.1.
Actually I tried installing OpenDoc again, and I noticed that the
version of I had was 1.2.1. The Cyberdog installer asks for 1.2. Maybe
I'll give it a go again tomorrow with the proper version.
I shall report back with my findings.
Andy Hewitt
> griswold <gris...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Although I don't now have it on my disk, I was for a short while
> > running Cyberdog on OS 9.04. I haven't tried it with 9.1.
>
> Actually I tried installing OpenDoc again, and I noticed that the
> version of I had was 1.2.1. The Cyberdog installer asks for 1.2. Maybe
> I'll give it a go again tomorrow with the proper version.
> I shall report back with my findings.
You can download all the relevant parts from www.cyberdog.org, IIRC.
J.C. Voss
> I shall report back with my findings.
Here we go.
Now I've tried installing OpenDoc again, and it installed properly this
time. Unfortunately, I can only get v.1.2.1 [I am using the Danish
version of OS9.1], but I tried downloading and installing the English
NorthAmerican 1.2 but the installer just froze and had to be
pretzel+alt+esc'd to quit. Now, upon firing up Cyberdog 2.0 PPC i get an
error message telling me that:
<quote -- my translation>
The document "Cyberdog 2.0" could not be opened. The tool
AppleCyberdog::FakeAppPart" is not installed, and there are no other
installed tools that can edit what is contained in this element. There
are no translators for these data".
</quote>
That is as far as I can get. I searched high and low for the darned
"AppleCyberdog::FakeAppPart" -- first with Sherlock, then waving a
rubberchicken in the sky while chanting ancient songs of mystery -- but
to no avail.
So is that it? Cyberdog 2.0 cannot run on other 9.xx systems but British
or North American ones, because the OpenDoc version is too new? Or is it
simply just beacuse I am standing on my balls [auuuchhh].
J.C. Voss
> You can download all the relevant parts from www.cyberdog.org, IIRC.
Yes, I thought so too, but trying to get the opendoc.bin at
<http://www.cyberdog.org/dogbones/#apple> returns a 404. Also, I
strongly suspect it to be a non-danish version and therefore doubt it
would install on my system.
I really wanted to try "Cybie" again, but for now I am afraid it is a no
go.
griswold
J.C. Voss <hardd...@voss.tfperipherals> wrote:
> J.C. Voss <hardd...@voss.tfperipherals> wrote:
>
> > I shall report back with my findings.
>
> Here we go.
>
> Now I've tried installing OpenDoc again, and it installed properly this
> time. Unfortunately, I can only get v.1.2.1 [I am using the Danish
> version of OS9.1], but I tried downloading and installing the English
> NorthAmerican 1.2 but the installer just froze and had to be
> pretzel+alt+esc'd to quit. Now, upon firing up Cyberdog 2.0 PPC i get an
> error message telling me that:
>
> <quote -- my translation>
> The document "Cyberdog 2.0" could not be opened. The tool
> AppleCyberdog::FakeAppPart" is not installed, and there are no other
> installed tools that can edit what is contained in this element. There
> are no translators for these data".
> </quote>
>
> That is as far as I can get. I searched high and low for the darned
> "AppleCyberdog::FakeAppPart" -- first with Sherlock, then waving a
> rubberchicken in the sky while chanting ancient songs of mystery -- but
> to no avail.
>
> So is that it? Cyberdog 2.0 cannot run on other 9.xx systems but British
> or North American ones, because the OpenDoc version is too new? Or is it
> simply just beacuse I am standing on my balls [auuuchhh].
I don't know if this is a part of your problem - non-English
International OS - but IIRC I got my my Cyberdog and OpenDoc bits from
an older OS install disc. Do you have access to older Danish OS disks
to try ?
BTW I run International English OS.
J.C. Voss
> I don't know if this is a part of your problem - non-English
> International OS - but IIRC I got my my Cyberdog and OpenDoc bits from
> an older OS install disc. Do you have access to older Danish OS disks
> to try ?
Of course -- that did the trick! How come I didn't think of that? Cybie
and OpenDoc is now installed and running, if not smooth then at least as
stable as NN. Kind of funny to see that old app fire up on a G4 with the
little paws all over the place. Thank you very much for your help (-:
Rivard
no...@its.caltech.edu wrote on 8/2/01 4:43 PM:
This is a great idea, and I think perhaps Apple may consider it, once they
get OS X in a useable state.
For the time being I think Apple should back iCab's impressive work and
perhaps even offer to lisence the Apple logo to the folks at iCab, make the
iMac broswers...wait, that name - used....hmmm maybe iBrowse or something...
while this will never happen, it is always an intresting thought.
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J.C. Voss
> For the time being I think Apple should back iCab's impressive work and
> perhaps even offer to lisence the Apple logo to the folks at iCab
Hear, hear.
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Jeff Collins
hardd...@voss.tfperipherals (J.C. Voss) wrote:
> Rivard <riv...@access.mountain.net> wrote:
>
> > For the time being I think Apple should back iCab's impressive work and
> > perhaps even offer to lisence the Apple logo to the folks at iCab
>
> Hear, hear.
Nothing against iCab, but if Apple did license iCab they would probably
throw a huge, ugly brushed-metal appearance over it, get rid of all the
"confusing" options ("users want usability, not options"), and force an
Apple-specified hotlist and ever-present ad banners (ala Sherlock). No,
iCab is much better off where it is: independent and free to be great.
That said, it would be nice if Apple distributed iCab on its system
disks like it does MSIE & Netscape.
Jeff
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Andy Hewitt
> Andy Hewitt <hairy...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > You can download all the relevant parts from www.cyberdog.org, IIRC.
>
> Yes, I thought so too, but trying to get the opendoc.bin at
> <http://www.cyberdog.org/dogbones/#apple> returns a 404. Also, I
> strongly suspect it to be a non-danish version and therefore doubt it
> would install on my system.
>
> I really wanted to try "Cybie" again, but for now I am afraid it is a no
> go.
Yes, it looks that way. I'd like to have seen it developed a bit more. A
fully working version of a web browser made by Apple may even pursuade
me to change to OS X someday.
VRic
<1exxn6m.qcehs81d6uqt0N%hairy...@ntlworld.com>,
hairy...@ntlworld.com (Andy Hewitt) wrote (écrivait) :
> fully working version of a web browser made by Apple may even pursuade
> me to change to OS X someday.
Omniweb for Mac OS X is not made by Apple, but it won major Apple awards
and is said to be the best, fastest, prettiest browser ever released on
any platform. And Apple has no commercial obligation to say that (IE is
not a real OS X app, nor a real aqua app, not to mention it's the most
annoying one when you're not used to M$'s habits of pissing users off,
and last IE installation killed QuickTime on a friend's G4).
OmniWeb is the only real Mac OS X browser, with a real aqua interface.
It was first developped on NextStep/OpenStep and apparently some unix
users already switched to Mac OS X only to have Omniweb.
Just type "omnigroup" in iCab to find it :-)
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Andy Hewitt
Hmmm, yes, I had ehard it was good, but though it was still in the early
Beta stages.
As yet, I have still to see IE5 falter at all after 10 months of use on
my iMac. There have been the very occasional web site that wouldn't work
properly, but nohting I was worried about. I find that many web sites
now actually only work correctly when using IE5 (have a look at
www.africam.com, and open a web cam window and you'll see what I mean).
Of course I have to get my peripheral drivers (Epson & Umax - who seem
to be less than helpful with OS X) sorted out first as well, as soon as
they work, I shall certainly be looking at OS X.
Henri Sivonen
<vr...@free.fr> wrote:
> Omniweb for Mac OS X is not made by Apple, but it won major Apple awards
> and is said to be the best,
It is the most standards-incompliant browser released for Mac OS X. It
doesn't even support HTML 4 and CSS1.
> fastest,
On my 533 MHz G4 with a cable modem, it is not faster than Mozilla.
> prettiest browser
The UI is nice.
I have put a comparison table of the features of Mac OS X browsers at
http://www.hut.fi/u/hsivonen/os-x-browsers.html
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Andy Hewitt
> In article <vric-F83BC0.1...@news.wanadoo.fr>, VRic
> <vr...@free.fr> wrote:
>
> > Omniweb for Mac OS X is not made by Apple, but it won major Apple awards
> > and is said to be the best,
>
> It is the most standards-incompliant browser released for Mac OS X. It
> doesn't even support HTML 4 and CSS1.
>
> > fastest,
>
> On my 533 MHz G4 with a cable modem, it is not faster than Mozilla.
That's one thing I've noticed since getting my iMac DV400, the speed
differences of applications has almost become a moot point, it really is
hard to tell any difference. The only thing I have noticed is that IE5
does seem to download ftp better than anything else (in OS9 anyway).
Henri Sivonen
hairy...@ntlworld.com (Andy Hewitt) wrote:
> The only thing I have noticed is that IE5
> does seem to download ftp better than anything else (in OS9 anyway).
Have you tried wget? :-)
Andy Hewitt
> In article <1ey96ol.12p1y67728ig3N%hairy...@ntlworld.com>,
> hairy...@ntlworld.com (Andy Hewitt) wrote:
>
> > The only thing I have noticed is that IE5
> > does seem to download ftp better than anything else (in OS9 anyway).
>
> Have you tried wget? :-)
No, I can't really be bothered to open yet another application, and
transfer the details over when I already have the browser window open.
dmeyer...@panix.com
> VRic <vr...@free.fr> wrote:
> > OmniWeb is the only real Mac OS X browser, with a real aqua interface.
> > It was first developped on NextStep/OpenStep and apparently some unix
> > users already switched to Mac OS X only to have Omniweb.
It's excellent.
> Hmmm, yes, I had ehard it was good, but though it was still in the early
> Beta stages.
Nope. Full release.
> As yet, I have still to see IE5 falter at all after 10 months of use on
> my iMac. There have been the very occasional web site that wouldn't work
> properly, but nohting I was worried about. I find that many web sites
> now actually only work correctly when using IE5 (have a look at
> www.africam.com, and open a web cam window and you'll see what I mean).
What I've found is that IE is more tolerant than any other
browser of _broken_ web pages. As a result, site designers
have been encouraged to build more broken pages that IE
manages to display but on which other browsers fail.
Because of that, I find that in addition to OmniWeb, I
end up needing IE and/or Mozilla.
It's a damned shame.
iCab has way more problems on way more sites.
And Opera TP1 on OS X still blows up.
(I use Opera on a win2k, box, though and, like omniweb on
the mac, find that I still need IE or Mozilla for badly
built pages)
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Andy Hewitt
> hairy...@ntlworld.com (Andy Hewitt) writes:
> > VRic <vr...@free.fr> wrote:
>
> > > OmniWeb is the only real Mac OS X browser, with a real aqua interface.
> > > It was first developped on NextStep/OpenStep and apparently some unix
> > > users already switched to Mac OS X only to have Omniweb.
>
> It's excellent.
>
> > Hmmm, yes, I had ehard it was good, but though it was still in the early
> > Beta stages.
>
> Nope. Full release.
Righto, worth considering.
> > As yet, I have still to see IE5 falter at all after 10 months of use on
> > my iMac. There have been the very occasional web site that wouldn't work
> > properly, but nohting I was worried about. I find that many web sites
> > now actually only work correctly when using IE5 (have a look at
> > www.africam.com, and open a web cam window and you'll see what I mean).
>
> What I've found is that IE is more tolerant than any other
> browser of _broken_ web pages. As a result, site designers
> have been encouraged to build more broken pages that IE
> manages to display but on which other browsers fail.
>
> Because of that, I find that in addition to OmniWeb, I
> end up needing IE and/or Mozilla.
>
> It's a damned shame.
>
> iCab has way more problems on way more sites.
> And Opera TP1 on OS X still blows up.
Yes, much as I find with the classic apps.
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Henri Sivonen
wrote:
> hairy...@ntlworld.com (Andy Hewitt) writes:
> > VRic <vr...@free.fr> wrote:
>
> > > OmniWeb is the only real Mac OS X browser, with a real aqua interface.
> > > It was first developped on NextStep/OpenStep and apparently some unix
> > > users already switched to Mac OS X only to have Omniweb.
>
> It's excellent.
Depends on the definition of "excellent"...
Does an excellent UI alone make an excellent browser, if the engine
doesn't support key W3C Recommendations dating from 1996 and 1997?
> > Hmmm, yes, I had ehard it was good, but though it was still in the early
> > Beta stages.
>
> Nope. Full release.
It is just a naming thing.
OmniWeb is officially a "release version". However, it lacks support for
HTML 4 and CSS1. OmniWeb's engine is an anachronism in 2001.
OTOH, Mozilla, IE and N6.1 aren't officially release versions but at
least they support such key recommendations as HTML 4 and CSS1.
> What I've found is that IE is more tolerant than any other
> browser of _broken_ web pages. As a result, site designers
> have been encouraged to build more broken pages that IE
> manages to display but on which other browsers fail.
>
> Because of that, I find that in addition to OmniWeb, I
> end up needing IE and/or Mozilla.
If OmniWeb doesn't display a page nicely while Mozilla and IE do, it is
probably due to OmniWeb's lack of CSS support and not due to bad Web
authoring.
> And Opera TP1 on OS X still blows up.
Crashes on PNG images. Works with images off.
Makk Norbert
<riv...@access.mountain.net> wrote:
> For the time being I think Apple should back iCab's impressive work and
> perhaps even offer to lisence the Apple logo to the folks at iCab, make the
> iMac broswers...wait, that name - used....hmmm maybe iBrowse or something...
> while this will never happen, it is always an intresting thought.
iBrowse is a copy written browser name under Amiga OS. :)
Cheers,
Norbert.
griswold
<nm...@kabel.datatrans.hu> wrote:
Hmmm. So Amiga has the copywrite on iBrowse ? 8-)
Sander Tekelenburg
Henri Sivonen <hen...@clinet.fi> wrote:
> In article <yobr8u4...@panix3.panix.com>, dmeyer...@panix.com
> wrote:
[...]
> > And Opera TP1 on OS X still blows up.
>
> Crashes on PNG images. Works with images off.
This is fixed in the next Carbon version (which will be available very
soon).
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