#LAUGHABLE: ELLEN WHITE IS THE ANTICHRIST??
Ted McMillan
There is no limit to what they can do and commit. They have come with
the idea that Ellen White is the Antichrist. For even an arrogant
person who is blind, that is lower than laughable! How can a person
be, as they claim, delusion, sick, and needing mental help because SHE
was hit in the head with a rock, and yet be the great Antichrist which
will persecute the church? How can the number of a man be that of a
woman?
Well let's read more of the evidence to see just how far the children
of the Antichrist will go in their natural talents spanning the Ages.
I am talking about the mercenary Vaticans here who even infiltrate and
do battle on the newsgroups working to change the thinking of everyone
while preaching to them about a false utopia of the right to disagree:
A strange one has just told us that Ellen White's name adds up to 666.
Why is he doing this? Because he wants to tell you that Ellen White
is the Antichrist Beast of the Revelation which scripture tells us
that whole world will wonder after, who will make war against the
saints, who will prevail against them and who will change times and
laws.
The number 666 is just ONE identifier of the Antichrist. In order to
know who the Antichrist is, ALL the indicators must fit and not just
one. There are many people who have names which numerically add up to
666.
Just by this alone you need to understand that the poster has
committed blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. There is no sense
stating on this system that Ellen White is insignificant and was
struck in the head with a rock, to then tell us that this injury is
what made her notable enough to be included in the bible to the
neglect of their Pope. If she is the Antichrist, why have they all
told us for so long how mentally ill and nothing she is? If the whole
world will worship her, does that mean that she is nothing?
As far as Ellen White's name even adding up to 666, the scripture
tells us that the 666 represents the name of a MAN. There is also a
formidable problem when realizing that Ellen White was born with the
name:
ELLEN GOULD HARMON
This name does NOT add up to 666, and nowhere in scripture do we find
that a Beast emerges after she gets married.
I know the whole thing is ridiculous, but the substance of that
ridiculousness lies in these servants of the Pope who are telling us
that we must unite under a power that has committed far more crimes
than any and all the cults to be found in the world today COMBINED.
But here is more to think about:
Did Ellen White become the Antichrist just because she married James
White? Was her maiden name: HARMON, to help to equal 666?
Did Ellen White wear out the saints of the Most High? Did she ever
have a cup containing the blood of the saints and the martyrs of
Jesus? And were they given into her hands for a time and times and the
dividing of time?
Did Ellen White think to change times and laws?
Did Ellen White sit in the temple of God claiming to be God?
Did Ellen White claim to have the power to forgive sins?
Did Ellen White sit on top of an organization that sits on seven
hills?
Did Ellen White ever rule over the kings of the earth?
Did Ellen White have a whole bunch of miracle-working false prophets
to help her in his mission?
Will all that shall dwell upon the earth worship Ellen White who are
not written in the Lamb's book of life?
Will the whole world wonder after and worship Ellen White?
Will the whole world have to ask who is like Ellen White and who is
able to make war with her?
When Christ comes, is He going to take Ellen White and those who have
helped her and cast her in a lake of fire for persecuting His saints
at the end of time?
When Paul stated that the mystery of iniquity doth already work in his
day showing the rise of the Antichrist, was Ellen White around or
married to Nero or something?
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
Tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!
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Florida Architect
Barney is the antichrist.
http://www.franksworld.com/scrape/issue03/anti.html
The dreck about Ms White = 666 = antichrist is a parody, to show how
stupid the SDA claims are on the subject.
Now, which Pope, exactly is the antichrist?
Doug
have been removed. One link states that due to threats of legal action, the
page has been removed. I take this as evidence of a conspiracy by Satanic
forces to suppress evidence that Barney is the Anti-Christ. Does this mean
that PBS is the Whore of Babylon?
Doug
Ted McMillan
I never heard that Barney had someone working for him by the name of
Florida Architect. Workers for the Antichrist usually cannot
elaborate on the points given. How did Barney originate in the days
of Paul?
> The dreck about Ms White = 666 = antichrist is a parody, to show how
> stupid the SDA claims are on the subject.
You mean they should be intelligent enough to know that the bible was
always talking about Barney the Dinosaur being the Antichrist?
> Now, which Pope, exactly is the antichrist?
Which one started around the death of Paul and which one will in the
near future persecute God's people to the point where He will have to
leave heaven to save them? Common sense! No wonder you think
Adventists are stupid!
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
Ted McMillan
> In article <c9dac66d.0203...@posting.google.com>,
> tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) writes:
>
> >The workers of the Antichrist can never go too far in their crimes.
> >There is no limit to what they can do and commit. They have come with
> >the idea that Ellen White is the Antichrist.
Here is proof who the Antichrist is not. Workers of the Antichrist,
of course, cannot touch this evidence, so they have to hate post:
Paul Tooley, Jr.
system that is the antichrist not any single pope. Just like the difference
between any given president and the office of the president. This
conclusion is not simply a red-neck knee-jerk reaction to the catholic
church, but is derived by interpreting the prophecies of Daniel and
Revelation. I would humbly suggest that if you wish to refute such a claim
you must show the SDA's where their interpretations are mistaken. This
probably requires a greater effort than anyone on this NG wishes to expend,
but the alternative is to trade mindless insults and trumpet loudly one's
own superiority in hopes that mere volume will suffice for intellect.
Paul
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Mike
"Paul Tooley, Jr." <pa...@tooley.com> wrote in message
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> The actual position of the SDA church is that it is the papacy, or papal
> system that is the antichrist not any single pope. Just like the
difference
> between any given president and the office of the president. This
> conclusion is not simply a red-neck knee-jerk reaction to the catholic
> church, but is derived by interpreting the prophecies of Daniel and
> Revelation. I would humbly suggest that if you wish to refute such a
claim
> you must show the SDA's where their interpretations are mistaken. This
> probably requires a greater effort than anyone on this NG wishes to
expend,
> but the alternative is to trade mindless insults and trumpet loudly one's
> own superiority in hopes that mere volume will suffice for intellect.
>
> Paul
Paul you seem a little testy today... Are you ready to talk about the
Saturday Sabbath, Jewish traditions (Law) etc.
Oh and do you wish to cross post in all of these groups? tnn is one of the
one I track, or do you perfer another?
I don't mind either way it gives more people a chance to comment, but I know
some see it as bad form. Your call.
Btw I'm headed to that sunny spot next week myself. Duty calls...
Peace
Mike
[139] "Grace: I ask for the gift of being able to recognize the false lights
of Lucifer and for the help not to be lead astray; I also ask for what I
desire: a graced knowledge of true human living exemplified in Jesus Christ,
my Lord and my God, and the grace to live my life in His way." Amen! (St.
Ignatius)
Paul Tooley, Jr.
eliminate cross posting. (My apologies to all). I'm just tired of all the
flap that goes on on both sides instead of substantial dialogue. For our
discussion on the Sabbath let's switch to alt.religion.Christian.Adventist.
I know their are some challenged individuals there, but perhaps we can wade
through that if we do not become sidelined by chasing their rabbits. You
have opened up some interesting questions concerning Sabbath observance that
I think merits more than just a brush off. I guess we can start the thread
my asking you if you see any spiritual damage to myself or others if I
observe the Sabbath. Just that fact alone. Let us say I don't proselytize,
or judge others, and I do it because for me it is part of being obedient to
what I am convicted God wants me to do.
Paul
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Ted McMillan
> In article <c9dac66d.02030...@posting.google.com>,
> tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) writes:
>
> >Here is proof who the Antichrist is not.
>
Good! I already told the world that you all are the unscrupulous,
super-terroristic workers for the Antichrist.
But here is the truth of the posting MSiciliana claims I have made:
Anyway, here is the actual posting MSiciliana is referring to where
she claims I posted Ellen White is the Antichrist. Upon reading, you
will notice that she deliberately left out words in the post because
she works for a cult that claims to define where liars and cults are.
Here is that posting and where to find it. It was a post answering
that of another very unscrupulous person from Rome by the name of
Joseph Meehan. The post was contending that it was laughable to claim
that Ellen White is the Antichrist:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8p4htd%24c6s%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&output=gplain
In article <AkRs5.3339$W4.8...@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>,
"Joseph Meehan" <slig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Begin Quote
> There you have it -- proof positive that Barney is the Antichrist.
> End Quote
>
> LOL (Which I would do for most of the Anti-Ted post if it were
not
> so said that he likely believes the stuff)
>
> --
> Dia 's Muire duit
>
> Joe M
>
>
Laughing at your own joke? Well I have something which is even
funnier:
Ellen White is the Antichrist!
You can't even out joke a paranoid "kook." And even yet is to be
answered what is the reason for the paranoia all you strange folks
have
toward a "kook." I would imagine that some people are curious in
wanting to know the reason.
Ted
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Here now is evidence and proof not yet touched upon by MSiciliana (and
never will be) proving that Ellen White is not the MAN with the number
666:
Lamarr Edwards
Both in Daniel and the Revelation there are many passages that certainly
seem to imply that this power comes about at the end of the Roman
empire, and also seems to point to the city of Rome, i. e. the seven
hills.
No doubt, Catholics see this much differently, perhaps and open, honest,
and civil discussion would help both Catholics and Protestants to have a
broader view on these prophecies.LE
Doug
adds up to 666.
Doug
Ted McMillan
You are playing the Jesuit Lamarr Edwards. The prophecies don't SEEM
to nothing! You claim to be in the highest form of Protestantism and
in support of the Reformation, but you have already told us that
Protestant re-exposition of the atrocities of Rome in order to prove
them returning according to prophecy was a mere exercise in struggling
between who murdered more than who. You have said things no
Protestant would ever dare.
You not only stood motionaless when Ted Seeber condemned all
non-Catholics to persecution and death, but you aided him by attacking
me for reproving him. In your attacks and as always, you make
definite statements as if you are sure what you are talking about, and
you demonstrate you don't care who disagree.
Mind telling us what is the uncertainty in your voice now? What has
suddenly transformed you?
The Protestant Reformation UNANIMOUSLY declared that the Papacy was
the Antichrist. Even on the Adventist forums, people like you are
there telling us about what seems to be, and they suggest everything
and everyone but their Pope.
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
Ted McMillan
> In article <c9dac66d.02030...@posting.google.com>,
> tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) writes:
>
> >here is the truth of the posting MSiciliana claims I have made:
>
>
>
> Ellen White is the Antichrist!
> And I didn't "claim" it, I proved it.
MSiciliana claimed it. Here is the full post she, working for the
Antichrist, would naturally be trained to withold:
Mike
> Actually I detest cross posting and when my brain is in gear I try to
> eliminate cross posting. (My apologies to all). I'm just tired of all the
> flap that goes on on both sides instead of substantial dialogue. For our
> discussion on the Sabbath let's switch to alt.religion.Christian.Adventist.
> I know their are some challenged individuals there, but perhaps we can wade
> through that if we do not become sidelined by chasing their rabbits. You
> have opened up some interesting questions concerning Sabbath observance that
> I think merits more than just a brush off. I guess we can start the thread
> my asking you if you see any spiritual damage to myself or others if I
> observe the Sabbath. Just that fact alone. Let us say I don't proselytize,
> or judge others, and I do it because for me it is part of being obedient to
> what I am convicted God wants me to do.
>
> Paul
Paul,
I'm not worried about you proselytizing me. I don't care to judge
anyone, just to understand your point of view and maybe help you
understand mine.
Peace
Mike
sniped to save space.
R. L. Measures
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) wrote:
> mmsic...@cs.cominvalid (MMSICILIANA) wrote in message
news:<20020307171842...@mb-cv.news.cs.com>...
> > In article <c9dac66d.02030...@posting.google.com>,
> > tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) writes:
> >
> > >here is the truth of the posting MSiciliana claims I have made:
> >
> > Yes, here it is:
> >
> >
> > Ellen White is the Antichrist!
> > ++++++++++++++++++
>
> > And I didn't "claim" it, I proved it.
>
> MSiciliana claimed it. Here is the full post she, working for the
> Antichrist, would naturally be trained to withold:
>
> Anyway, here is the actual posting MSiciliana is referring to where
> she claims I posted Ellen White is the Antichrist. Upon reading, you
> will notice that she deliberately left out words in the post because
> she works for a cult that claims to define where liars and cults are.
> Here is that posting and where to find it. It was a post answering
> that of another very unscrupulous person from Rome by the name of
> Joseph Meehan. The post was contending that it was laughable to claim
> that Ellen White is the Antichrist:
>
€ Ellen White was indeed a true prophet of God, because DNA analysis
absolutely proves beyond doubt that pygmies were the result of humans
copulating with chimps, and also it's absolutely true that
near-sightedness is caused by masturbation.
--
Rich, 805-386-3734, www.vcnet.com/measures (radio)
www.vcnet.com/measures/library.html (org. religion)
Ted McMillan
> In article <c9dac66d.02030...@posting.google.com>,
> tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) wrote:
> >
> € Ellen White was indeed a true prophet of God, because DNA analysis
> absolutely proves beyond doubt that pygmies were the result of humans
> copulating with chimps, and also it's absolutely true that
> near-sightedness is caused by masturbation.
And it is also true that Ellen White is not anything and that we are
not to focus on her, but the Vaticans have studied her extensively?
Is it true prophets that tell us she is the Antichrist?
And it is also absolutely true that Christ is coming in His kingdom to
free the Jews from the Romans and set the Disciples on the right hand
and left hand of Jesus! Apostles had taught that.
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
R. L. Measures
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) wrote:
> 2...@vc.net (R. L. Measures) wrote in message
news:<2-0803020...@port72.dial.vcnet.com>...
> > In article <c9dac66d.02030...@posting.google.com>,
> > tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) wrote:
>
> > >
> > € Ellen White was indeed a true prophet of God, because DNA analysis
> > absolutely proves beyond doubt that pygmies were the result of humans
> > copulating with chimps, and also it's absolutely true that
> > near-sightedness is caused by masturbation.
>
>
> And it is also true that Ellen White is not anything and that we are
> not to focus on her,
€ I was not told.
>but the Vaticans have studied her extensively?
> Is it true prophets that tell us she is the Antichrist?
>
€ David Koresh claimed to be a true prophet.
> And it is also absolutely true that Christ is coming in His kingdom to
> free the Jews from the Romans and set the Disciples on the right hand
> and left hand of Jesus! Apostles had taught that.
>
€ "There's one born every minute and two to take him".
Susan Williams
> In article <c9dac66d.02030...@posting.google.com>,
> tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) writes:
>
> >she, working for the
> >Antichrist,
>
>
> Ted McMillan wrote:
> <<Anyway, here is the actual posting MSiciliana is referring to where she
>
> Ellen White is the Antichrist! >>
>
> The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
> The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
> Numbers 6: 24-26
Here is the actual place where Ted McMillan's post can be found. In
that post he was showing how it was "laughable" to think that Ellen
White is the Antichrist.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8p4htd%24c6s%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&output=gplain
Why does MSiciliana tell us Ted was teaching that Ellen White is (OR
WAS) the Antichrist and that his complete post says "Ellen White is he
Antichrist?" You will get the answer when you ask why she tells us
that Rome does not and never has condemned non-Catholics to death.
In His Grace,
Oh, I almost forgot...
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
Susan Williams
Ted McMillan
mmsic...@cs.cominvalid (MMSICILIANA) wrote in message news:<20020310190723...@mb-mk.news.cs.com>...
> WOW!! Isn't it amazing how ALIKE "Susan Williams" and "Ted McMillan" sound?
> By the way, Susan dear, I never said that Ted McMillan's "*complete* post syas
> 'Ellen White is the Antichrist.' " All I did was post the proof that Ted
> McMillan did indeed write, "Ellen White is the Antichrist!"
WOW!! Isn't it amazing how ALIKE MSiciliana and "Teddy McMillan"
sound? A while ago Antichrist MSiciliana told us that it didn't
matter how one sounds!
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
Get a clue folks! Get a clue where you can find cults and cult
members.
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!
Susan Williams
> Ted ("Babbling Brook) McMillan wrote:
>
> <<Antichrist MSiciliana>>
>
> I'm not the antichrist.
I heard Ted say specifically that you work for the Antichrist. That
is good enough for me!
> You told us way back in Sept. 2000 that the antichrist
> is Ellen White.
I did not! You really must work for the Antichrist.
> Brook wrote:
> << as "Teddy McMillan", who posted illegal posts on usenet, wrote:>>
>
> I have also never posted as "Teddy McMillan."
Uh Oh! We're in trouble! Hi Teddy!
> Therefore, you are bearing false
> witness against your neighbor, but, hey, that's nothing new for you.
I don't believe Ted was trained where you were trained. So I don't
know what your concern is about lying.
> Brook McMillan wrote:
> <<she, working for the Antichrist,>>
>
> MMSiciliana wrote:
> << I don't work for the antichrist whom you have already told us is Ellen
> White:>>
I did not! And you don't work for Ellen White. You work for the
Antichrist.
> Brook McMillan wrote:
> <<You do work for the Antichrist which you have already been told. >>
>
> Nope. I don't work for Ellen White.
That's what I said. You work for the Antichrist.
>That would be you.
You've lost it. Too much cult practice!
> Brook wrote:
> << I told you that you do by the evidence.>>
>
> So? You also told us Ellen White is the antichrist.
I did not say that. But yes, you do work for the Antichrist. You
don't work for Ellen White.
> Ted McMillan wrote:
> <<Anyway, here is the actual posting MSiciliana is referring to where she
> claims I posted Ellen White is the Antichrist....
>
> Ellen White is the Antichrist! >>
>
> "Susan Williams (read "Ted McMillan) wrote:
Teddy McMillan Antichrist MSiciliana: I take exception to that false
remark!
> <<Here is the actual place where Ted McMillan's post can be found. In that
> post he was showing how it was "laughable" to think that Ellen White is the
> Antichrist
>
> Why does MSiciliana tell us Ted was teaching that Ellen White is (OR WAS) the
> Antichrist and that his complete post says "Ellen White is he Antichrist?">>
>
> MMSiciliana wrote:
> <<WOW!! Isn't it amazing how ALIKE "Susan Williams" and "Ted McMillan"
> sound? >>
WOW!! Isn't it amazing how ALIKE "Teddy McMillan" who made illegal
postingson usenet and MSiciliana sound alike? I saw MSiciliana post
that it doesn't matter if posts sound alike. That is no proof of
anything.
> Brook wrote:
> <<WOW!! Isn't it amazing how ALIKE "MSiciliana" and "Teddy McMillan" sound?>>
>
> They don't sound alike at all,
Then why do they sound the same?
> which is not surprising since they are two
> totally different people.
WOW!! Isn't it amazing how ALIKE "Teddy McMillan" who made illegal
postingson usenet and MSiciliana sound alike? I saw MSiciliana post
that it doesn't matter if posts sound alike. That is no proof of
anything.
> Brook wrote:
> << Why did Antichrist MSiciliana>>
>
> You told us way back in Sept. 2000 that the antichrist is Ellen White.
I did not! I cannot say that you work for Ellen White, because you
really work for the Antichrist.
> Brook wrote:
> << tell us that it doesn't matter how posters sound, she is not "Teddy
> McMillan" who posted constantly that I wore a tinfoil hat and pronounced the
> same blessings at the end. >>
>
> I'm not "Teddy McMillan" and I've never posted as "Teddy McMillan."
"Teddy McMillan" who made illegal postingson usenet and MSiciliana
sound alike? I saw MSiciliana post that it doesn't matter if posts
sound alike. That is no proof of anything.
> "Teddy
> McMillan" said you wear a "tinfoil hat." I'm not the only person who ever said
> that. And "Teddy McMillan" never ended his posts with my blessing at the end.
> Go back and re-read the posts.
I would but I simply must comment:
WOW!! Isn't it amazing how ALIKE "Teddy McMillan" who made illegal
postingson usenet and MSiciliana sound alike? I saw MSiciliana post
that it doesn't matter if posts sound alike. That is no proof of
anything.
> Brook wrote:
> <<Why does she work for the Antichrist? >>
>
> I don't work for Ellen White whom you have said is the antichrist.
I'm glad. I'm just concerned for why you work for the Antichrist.
> Brook babbled:
> <<Is it because the phrase fits?>>
>
> What phrase? Quit babbling and try to make yourself clear. Type complete
> sentences, like "Ellen White is the antichrist!"
MSiciliana works for the Antichrist. Ellen White couldn't care.
> MMSiciliana wrote:
> <<By the way, Susan dear, I never said that Ted McMillan's "*complete* post
> syas 'Ellen White is the Antichrist.' "
You just submitted a "complete copy." I then posted about lying cults
and relationships.
> All I did was post the proof that Ted
> McMillan did indeed write, "Ellen White is the Antichrist!">>
You did far more than that. You said that he posted that and you said
that it was therefore true. But a worker for the Antichrist would be
eager to post something like that. I am anxious then for you to stop
working for the Antichrist and consider working for Ellen White.
> Brook wrote:
> <<I saw posts by Antichrist MSiciliana that said she would provide a complete
> copy. I then read the post and it was not complete.>>
>
> Prove it.
Did the Antichrist teach you to prove anything? I am Ted McMillan?
Prove it!
> Brook wrote:
> <<Oh I forgot:>>
>
> Yes, we know you forgot:
Yes, you forgot this:
WOW!! Isn't it amazing how ALIKE "Teddy McMillan" who made illegal
postingson usenet and MSiciliana sound alike? I saw MSiciliana post
that it doesn't matter if posts sound alike. That is no proof of
anything.
ELLEN GOULD HARMON
In His Grace,
Oh! I almost forgot:
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
Susan Williams
Ted McMillan
> In article <71b8e9c9.02031...@posting.google.com>,
> Salet...@rocketmail.com (Susan Williams) writes:
>
> >I am anxious then for you to stop
> >working for the Antichrist and consider working for Ellen White.
> >
>
>
> Ted McMillan already told us that the Antichrist *is* Ellen White.
Show me where and get a load of my proof that she is not. But please
don't forget to mention that I already told you all all the time that
you work for the Antichrist! Here is the evidence of what I said and
that Ellen White is not the Antichrist. You all certainly don't work
for her:
Anyway, here is the actual posting MSiciliana is referring to where
she claims I posted Ellen White is the Antichrist. Upon reading, you
will notice that she deliberately left out words in the post because
she works for a cult that claims to define where liars and cults are.
Here is that posting and where to find it. It was a post answering
that of another very unscrupulous person from Rome by the name of
Joseph Meehan. The post was contending that it was laughable to claim
that Ellen White is the Antichrist:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8p4htd%24c6s%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&output=gplain
In article <AkRs5.3339$W4.8...@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>,
"Joseph Meehan" <slig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Begin Quote
> There you have it -- proof positive that Barney is the Antichrist.
> End Quote
>
> LOL (Which I would do for most of the Anti-Ted post if it were
not
> so said that he likely believes the stuff)
>
> --
> Dia 's Muire duit
>
> Joe M
>
>
Laughing at your own joke? Well I have something which is even
funnier:
Ellen White is the Antichrist!
You can't even out joke a paranoid "kook." And even yet is to be
answered what is the reason for the paranoia all you strange folks
have
toward a "kook." I would imagine that some people are curious in
wanting to know the reason.
Ted
--
For the work finished!
Ted McMillan, Owner
Truth of Adventism Defended Forum
truth_of_adv...@egroups.com
Many Thanks to those who helped put up the website!
THE TRUTH OF ADVENTISM DEFENDED WEBSITE!
http://www2.50megs.com/tmac1238/home.htm
------------------
Here now is evidence and proof not yet touched upon by MSiciliana (and
never will be) proving that Ellen White is not the MAN with the number
666:
ELLEN GOULD HARMON
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
Tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
Ted McMillan
> In article <71b8e9c9.02031...@posting.google.com>,
> Salet...@rocketmail.com (Susan Williams) writes:
>
>
You mean both these statements are true??? Well let me at least
disprove one of them below starting with proof of what I did post
about Ellen White in 2000:
Anyway, here is the actual posting MSiciliana is referring to where
she claims I posted Ellen White is the Antichrist. Upon reading, you
will notice that she deliberately left out words in the post because
she works for a cult that claims to define where liars and cults are.
Here is that posting and where to find it. It was a post answering
that of another very unscrupulous person from Rome by the name of
Joseph Meehan. The post was contending that it was laughable to claim
that Ellen White is the Antichrist:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8p4htd%24c6s%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&output=gplain
In article <AkRs5.3339$W4.8...@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>,
"Joseph Meehan" <slig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Begin Quote
> There you have it -- proof positive that Barney is the Antichrist.
> End Quote
>
> LOL (Which I would do for most of the Anti-Ted post if it were
not
> so said that he likely believes the stuff)
>
> --
> Dia 's Muire duit
>
> Joe M
>
>
Laughing at your own joke? Well I have something which is even
funnier:
Ellen White is the Antichrist!
You can't even out joke a paranoid "kook." And even yet is to be
answered what is the reason for the paranoia all you strange folks
have
toward a "kook." I would imagine that some people are curious in
wanting to know the reason.
Ted
--
For the work finished!
Ted McMillan, Owner
Truth of Adventism Defended Forum
truth_of_adv...@egroups.com
Many Thanks to those who helped put up the website!
THE TRUTH OF ADVENTISM DEFENDED WEBSITE!
http://www2.50megs.com/tmac1238/home.htm
------------------
Here now is evidence and proof not yet touched upon by MSiciliana (and
never will be) proving that Ellen White is not the MAN with the number
666:
ELLEN GOULD HARMON
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
> Here's an interesting little snippet that proves that "Susan Williams" is
> really "Ted McMillan"
Poor paranoid Antichrist MSiciliana/"Teddy McMillan"/"Dr. Patti"!
> Here's the header that says this message is from "Susan."
And we saw messages that said they came from "Teddy McMillan" and we
also saw messages on the Adventist newsgroups that said they were sent
by Dr. Patti and the other toxically unscrupulous person which is her
mother. All of them tell us about the benefits of uniting with Rome,
but deny that they are Catholics.
>
> <<Subject: Re: #TED MCMILLAN SAYS ELLEN WHITE IS THE ANTICHRIST!!!!
> From: Salet...@rocketmail.com (Susan Williams)
> Date: 11 Mar 2002 18:44:46 -0800
>
>
> Here's the beginning of "her" message that states she is responding to a
> message that MMSiciliana/"Teddy McMillan"/"Dr. Patti" wrote:
>
> <<mmsic...@cs.cominvalid (MMSICILIANA/"Teddy McMillan"/"Dr. Patti") wrote in message
> news:<20020311183839...@mb-bk.news.cs.com>>
>
> "Susan" quotes Antichrist MMSiciliana/"Teddy McMillan"/"Dr. Patti" quoting Ted "Babbling Brook" McMillan:
> <<Ted ("Babbling Brook) McMillan wrote:
> <<Antichrist MSiciliana/"Teddy McMillan"/"Dr. Patti">>
>
>
> "Susan" quotes MMSiciliana's/"Teddy McMillan"/"Dr. Patti's" reply to Ted McMillan's accusation:
> <<MMSiciliana/"Teddy McMillan"/"Dr. Patti's" wrote:
> I'm not the antichrist.>>
>
>
> "Susan" remains in character long enough to reply:
> <<I heard Ted say specifically that you work for the Antichrist. That is good
> enough for me!>>
Susan has heard that for a long time Antichrist MSiciliana/"Teddy
McMillan"/"Dr. Patti"!
> "Susan" quotes MMSiciliana's/"Teddy McMillan"/"Dr. Patti's" reply to TED MCMILLAN:
> << You told us way back in Sept. 2000 that the antichrist is Ellen White.>>
>
>
> "Susan" leaves character and becomes Ted McMillan again:
> <<I did not! You really must work for the Antichrist.>>
That's right, she did not!
Oh paranoid murderer terrorist of the Antichrist. Doomed to have no
rest! Doomed to have no salvation? Let me quote again in vain again
the fateful words:
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
Ted McMillan
> In article <c9dac66d.02031...@posting.google.com>,
> tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) writes:
>
> >> In article <71b8e9c9.02031...@posting.google.com>,
> >> Salet...@rocketmail.com (Susan Williams) writes:
> <<I am anxious then for you to stop working for the Antichrist and consider
> working for Ellen White.>>
>
> << LOL!!!!
>
> Ted McMillan already told us that the Antichrist *is* Ellen White.>>
Excuse me: Let's take a break from communicating with Antichrist
MSiciliana/"Teddy McMillan"/Dr. Patti for a word of documentation
about her cult:
From the pen of Joseph McCabe:
The Totalitarian Church Of Rome
Its Fuehrer, Its Gauleiter, Its Gestapo,
And Its Money-box
by Joseph McCabe
Edited by E. Haldeman-Julius
The Black International No. 11
Contents
Introduction
Chapter I - The Holy Father
INTRODUCTION
During the past few years several estimable American writers have
claimed that the Roman Church is in sympathy with Fascism and has
itself a semi-Fascist complexion. In support of this charge they have
adduced such evidence that even Catholics have been disturbed and
divided. Apologists of the Jesuit type, who had represented the Church
as the faithful guardian, if not the mother, of freedom and democracy,
have excelled themselves in the contortions of their craft. They had
almost succeeded in persuading America that the Statue of Liberty is a
symbolic representation of the Church. Less unscrupulous Catholic
writers, or those who have a higher appreciation of the intelligence
of the American public, have recognized that there is some truth in
the charge and have blamed the Pope, the Italian corporation that runs
the Church, or the local hierarchies of bishops.
Most men vaguely feel that there is more than "some truth" in the
charge. It expresses a monstrous truth: the prostitution of what they
had been persuaded to accept as the most massive moral power in the
world. For no literary or journalistic sophistry, no sonorous speech
on the either, can blur the significance of the fact that in the
mightiest struggle against evil that the planet has seen for 15
centuries the Pope has been silent. Indeed, he was worse than silent.
In the old days a charge of treason was brought against any man who
"comforted or abetted" the king's enemies. In that sense the Pope is a
traitor to humanity. Neutrality in the world at large, and especially
in their own countries, was all the help that the bandit-powers
expected of the chief oracle of the Church. It was enough if he
allowed his local hierarchies of archbishops and bishops and the
priests they rigorously controlled -- the Black International -- to
assure their people that the orgy of brutality, the satisfaction of a
naked lust of power and wealth, into which they had led their nations
deserved their cordial support and cooperation.
And this effective support of a bestiality that will one day astonish
historians is not the whole guilt of the Church. In one weak country
after another that was marked out for enslavement to the vile purposes
of Hitler, priests prepared the way for the invaders, and priests
followed in their wake over the stricken lands -- Spain, China,
Abyssinia, Austria, Albania, Belgium. France, Czecho-Slovakia, and
Yugo-Slavia -- to raise the gold and white banner of the Papacy,
beside that of the pirates. Even in the United States and the British
Empire they tried, until each of the Pope's three Allies in turn
cynically dropped the mask and struck at democracy, to lull suspicion
and to paralyse by promoting hatred of Russia and friendliness with or
neutrality toward the enemies of civilization.
These facts may be discerned by any man on the face of contemporary
life, and in a series of ten booklets I have given the details and the
full evidence. Readers of my historical works (The True Story of the
Roman Church, The History of Morals, etc.) hardly needed proof, They
know that for many centuries the Roman Church has maintained its
power, and could not otherwise have survived in an age of growing
enlightenment, by allying itself with bloody and corrupt secular
powers. From about 1150, When Europe was fairly awake after the heavy
slumbers of the Dark Ages and perceived the corruption of its Church,
to 1550, when Protestants won the first installment of freedom,
several million rebels against Rome were massacred or savagely
executed. Even in the first half of the 19th Century, when the nobler
motto of the French Revolution had been washed out with blood, the
Church compassed the death of further hundreds of thousands. Then the
new humanitarian world of our time -- the skeptical frivolous world
whose sins the Church tearfully deplores -- compelled it to suspend
its policy. But that policy remained and remains, on its statute book
when it saw tens of millions of adherents turning away from it in the
new atmosphere of freedom it waited impatiently for the opportunity to
apply it once more. The onset of the Axis beasts was its opportunity.
But few know these things today. In the new and more liberal world the
Church at first professed repentance and conversion. But as it grew in
wealth and masses of voters it grew bolder, and at length it acquired
a control of public education that is second only to that of the Nazis
in thoroughness and mendacity. We shall see the details of the plot.
By the wealth it was able to use in propaganda, by the intimidation of
some and the Seduction of other organs of instruction, even of some
academic writers, it succeeded in obliterating all traces of its
grisly past and on imposing upon America the idea that Roman
Catholicism is a moral force that is beautifully adapted to work with
the spirit and institutions of America. That also will some day
astonish historians.
Accustomed for years to have this idea of the Church impressed upon
him daily or weekly by his papers, breathed persuasively from his
radio, endorsed even by statesmen, the average American hesitates when
you say that it is rather an economic corporation than a moral force
and is the natural ally of Nazis and Fascists because it has the same
aims -- to increase its own power and wealth -- and the same
ruthlessness in pursuing its aim. So here I propose to give a true and
detailed description of the Roman Church and contrast this with the
utterly false representation of it in American Catholic literature. As
in the earlier series I intend to rely on facts not rhetoric: and
those facts will be given as far as possible on Catholic authority,
always on the best authorities. Part of the hesitation of the average
American is due to the fact that Catholic writers have warned him that
the Church is misrepresented and libelled: that it has, in fact,
"enemies," who are driven to an insane hatred of it by its virtue and
wisdom. It is an old trick. You have heard that sort of thing from
Goebbels and Haw-Haw, have you not? You heard it from the Nazis until
1939, from the Italians until 1941, from the Japs until 1942. But you
shall we the facts and judge for yourself.
Chapter I
THE HOLY FATHER
I think it was Cardinal Hayes -- the priest who in 1921 ordered the
New York Police (who obeyed) to stop an important meeting on Birth
Control in the Town Hall -- that claimed, and a vast body of American
Catholics applauded the claim, that it is the sight of St. Patrick's
Cathedral, not of the Statue of Liberty, that, as a symbol of freedom,
moistens the eyes of the refugee from down-trodden Europe. Have
Catholics no sense of humor? St. Patrick's Cathedral, or the Roman
Church in America which it represents, suggests a body of about 35,000
priests who not only rule the maids of 20,000,000 Americans,
threatening them with the horrors of an eternal concentration-camp if
they rebel or read anything that might excite a critical feeling, but
they interfere in the intimate details of the personal lives of these
20,000,000 Americans more truculently than the Gestapo meddle with
such matters in Germany. It suggests a body of 120 bishops and
archbishops who rule the priests as despotically as these rule the
people. And it points overseas to a Pope who controls the bishops and
archbishops as tyrannically as they rule their priests, and who has on
occasion treated, publicly, the whole body of American prelates as
arrogantly as some tactless lieutenant of police treats his patrolmen.
Let us begin with the Pope. He is called the Holy Father or His
Holiness or the Sovereign Pontiff because he is so holy and removed
from ordinary mortals that if you have only 10 or 20 dollars to spare
when you get to Rome you must look at him from a distance. If you can
make it $50 or $100 you may kiss his slipper. Make it $1,000 or so and
you may kiss his ring. If you have a million you may kiss almost
anything.
You do not, understand the Catholic protests. It is not his person but
in his character that the Pope is sacrosanct. He bears a dignity that
has been borne during nearly 1900 years by a long line of austere
Bishops of Rome, and he has been chosen for this and endowed with a
very special measure of "grace" by the Holy Ghost. Even a politician
may fittingly speak with reverence of such a character or kiss his
ring, while the heads of these upstart Protestant Churches must groan
with envy. Well, I know nothing about Holy Ghosts but I know as much
as any man living about these Holy Fathers of the past. I have, in
fact, written about them so often that here I must be very summary.
But if I dismiss them with the bald remark that no other long-lived
religion in history ever had so disreputable a series of supreme
leaders some of my readers, more familiar with the conventional
estimate of them, will find it incredible, so let me repeat a few
lines.
How many Popes there have been we cannot say precisely, since even
Catholic writers differ about the number. The first three or four on
Catholic lists are more or less mythical, and there were later ages
when rivals for the wealthy bishopric got into such a muddle of
consecrations that it is difficult to say which was Pope and which
Anti-Pope. Let us say about 260. You will find that in Catholic lists
of these no less than 30 were Martyrs and 86 were Saints. No wonder
your Catholic neighbor is proud of his Popes! Yet this statement,
though repeated in the most important Catholic works of reference, is
so flagrantly untruthful as to the Martyrs that the weightiest
Catholic experts on such matters (Delehaye, Ehrhard, Duchesne, etc.)
admit that two Popes, at the most laid down their lives for the faith.
A dozen or so cheerfully laid down the lives of their rivals or
opponents.
Two-third's of the 86 Saints are men about whose character we have no
evidence that would be regarded as reliable even by the biographer of
a statesman. The eulogies of these in the Catholic Encyclopedia are
based upon a Roman official calendar of the Popes the first part of
which is mainly fiction and upon tombstone epitaphs like that which
describes John XII, the most corrupt young ruffian who ever wore the
tiara, as "an ornament of the whole world."
Of the first 30 Popes, who all wear the official halo, the character
of only five is known to us. Two of these were Anti-Popes who died in
an odor not of sanctity but of sulphur, a third (Victor) was rebuked
by the whole Church for his arrogance and was on peculiarly good terms
with the Emperor's hottest concubine; the fourth (Callistus) was an
unscrupulous ex-slave adventurer (and we know him best of all): the
fifth (Damassus) fell foul even of the civic police of Rome on a
serious charge of moral turpitude. To sum up this matter of early
history, of which I give a full account elsewhere, we do not know the
character of at least 100 (which includes nearly all the Martyrs and
most of the Saints) of the 260 Popes; we know that more than half the
remainder were addicted to simony or protected clerical corruption;
and we know that of the remaining 160, with good evidence as to
character, about 30 were murderers, fornicators, sodomists, or
variety-artists in crime. So much for the fragrant tradition of
holiness.
Some of your professors of history say that I am just muckraking when
I recall these things, because the Roman Curia reformed long ago.
When? Certainly not at the Reformation, for the line of Unholy
Fathers, which had then already lasted a century, was, with a few
short intervals, prolonged for another century after Luther; and the
"greatest" Pope of the 18th Century, Benedict XIV, was notorious in
Europe for his love of spicy stories and used expressions which the
police would not permit me to translate.
But did not the even more terrible losses of money and members at the
French Revolution sober the Papal Court? For a time, or as long as the
wintry winds blew. When the sun of corrupt despotism shone again upon
Europe the Popes and cardinals showed little improvement. In my large
History of the Popes (1939) I have described the three Popes who
adorned the Holy See in that Indian Summer of the Middle Age's. Leo
XII, a converted rake and elderly invalid, was despised by all Rome
and Italy. Pius VIII was a paralyzed old man who literally dribbled at
the mouth as they wheeled him about the Vatican in his baby-carriage.
Gregory XVI, a notorious wine-bibber and lover of erotic gossip,
"absorbed himself in ignoble interests while the country groaned under
misrule" (says one of the chief Italian historians). The leading power
of Europe had, publicly, to warn these moral oracles of the race to
put a little common decency into their kingdom. Then there was the
"saintly" Pius IX, a miserable weakling who, after running away in
disguise from the revolutionary storm of 1848, let Cardinal Antonelli
(who was born a pauper and left $20,000,000 for his bastard daughter
and the priests to fight over) rule Italy on the vicious old lines
while he defied modern thought, discovered the Immaculate Conception
of Mary, and bullied the bishops into the irony of declaring him
infallible! The century finished with "the great diplomatist" Leo
XIII; and he was so successful in his diplomacy that during his
pontificate the Church lost some tens of millions of members.
Well, you may say, that must have taught the cardinal-electors a
lesson, and since 1900 they must have been very careful to choose the
really holiest and best candidates. They learned no lesson whatever.
Each of the recent Papal elections has been, as it always was,
preceded by intrigue and the clash of rival ambitions. Three times
since 1900 the voters have put at the head of their Church (a
world-wide business with an income of hundreds of millions of dollars
a year at its central office alone) a man who would have failed to run
a $3,000 store. I have just read fifteen Catholic books -- British,
French, Italian, and German -- on them and ought to know them.
The fourth, the present Pope, we will discuss shortly. Let us first
consider the Papal election (Conclave) in itself. This will correct
half the flatulent stuff you may have read in American papers. The
Catholic theory you probably know. Sixty or seventy cardinals elect
the Pope. They are locked and carpentered in a special part of the
Vatican palace, where each now has a suite of rooms -- in the old days
when they were all locked in a chapel day and night for weeks the odor
was not one of sanctity -- until one of the rival candidates gets
two-thirds of the vote's. There is much praying to the Holy Ghost for
guidance, but they still have to be locked in and watched lest they
consult profane persons outside. It is to be inferred that the
direction of the Holy Ghost is not in good Latin because they rarely
agree in less than three days. Possibly it is not even then the
supernatural guidance so much as the rule that their diet shall be cut
down from the fourth day that hastens the decision.
In practice the Conclave is much more human than the theory. Ever
since the Church of Rome became rich in the 4th Century there has been
a spirited struggle for the control of the treasury. As early as 366
more than 160 of the supporters of the rival candidates had to be
buried, and as late as 1492 the "butcher's bill" was more than 200.
The struggle is now more refined; though when the Pope says his first
Mass he still has nobles at hand to take the first sip of the wine and
see that it has not been poisoned.
A feverish intrigue warms Rome before la Pope's death. Broadly there
are two schools of cardinals: the "zealots" -- think of the hairy
hill-men of Kentucky who roar out the hymn "Old-Fashioned Religion" --
and the "political's" or practical men. There are generally four or
five cardinals who fancy their chances and carry the bets of the
Romans, and they canvass the voters of the rival schools and let it be
known that they are grateful to supporters. Each party selects one
champion, and they enter the Conclave with the Holy Ghost on their
lips and the name of a candidate in their pockets. Those from France,
Germany, Italy, or Spain may have also instructions from their
governments to keep out So-and-so at all costs (the veto).
They pray and talk for an hour or two and then take a vote (written).
The two favorites are found to have, perhaps, a third of the votes
each, and the nibbling at each other's parties and the neutrals
begins. There is still generally a deadlock, and they turn to the
string of "also ran." A few colorless outsiders are tried until one
gets the two-thirds vote. He is generally advanced in age or an
invalid so that the struggle may be resumed in a few years. The lucky
man who at last gets the required majority murmurs "I am not worthy"
and -- because a Pope Was once taken seriously when he said this --
makes for the pontifical robes, which are waiting (in three sizes).
Then they take him out on the balcony to show to the public. The
historical record of these Conclaves by Petrucelli della Gattina -- a
good deal of it is translated in Miss V. Pirie's Triple Crown (1935)
-- beats the history of Tammany for clean fun.
An Italian Catholic priest, G. Berthelet (Storia en Rivilazioni sul
Conclave, 1904) says of the election of the "great" Leo XIII:
"If Pius IX had foreseen the election of Leo XIII he would have
excommunicated him, but if Leo XIII had foreseen that at his death the
cardinals would vote for Giuseppe Sarto, he would have excommunicated
the lot of them."
Sarto, Archbishop of Venice, was a good old man of peasant origin. His
sister kept the village pub. He loved to talk broad Venetian with a
countryman and shock the more starchy cardinals. But what else could
the poor voters do? For years Cardinal Rampolla, the ablest of them, a
lean black-visaged lynx-eyed schemer like the present Pope, had worked
for the position. The candidate of the zealots was Gotti, a somber
ascetic man; and one of the leading Roman cardinals, Vannutilli, who
was well known to have a mistress and children living not very far
from the Vatican -- one of the chief American consuls in Italy pointed
out the house to me in Rome in 1904 -- thought that he had a sporting
chance and carried many bets. But with so many of these prudish
Americans and British about in Rome nowadays only five dare vote for
the gay cardinal and he dropped out. Then, as that very sober and
weighty French newspaper Le Temps said in its account of the Conclave:
"The Holy, Ghost was clearly making for the French candidate
(Rampolla) but the Triplice (Triple Alliance) headed him off." The
Austrian cardinal, speaking for his government and that of Germany,
said that they would not tolerate the election of Rampolla, That
cardinal told them what he thought of so profane a maneuver but "the
German faction" stuck to their guns and Rampolla dropped out. Then the
genial Vannutilli proposed old Sarto who was turned 70 and very
easy-going. The Spanish cardinal had been instructed by his government
to oppose Sarto. but the warm language inspired by the Austrian Veto
intimidated him and the brother of the village pub- owner (who was at
once summoned to Rome and made comparatively rich) put on the holy
robe's.
Catholic writers in America have denied that Austria was allowed to
exercise a veto but practically all the French and Italian Catholic
writers (Berthelet, Crispolati, etc.) affirm it. I take the account of
the Conclave from a biography of the Pope (Pie X intime) by a high
Papal official, the Count de Colleville, who got it not only from "a
great lady of the Austrian Court" (obviously the Empress) but also
from Cardinal Gibbons! The French Cardinal Matthieu agrees in his
account of the Conclave in the (Catholic) Revue de Deux Mondes. It is
beyond question. Vannutilli and the Kaiser had a great deal more than
the Holy Ghost to do with the first Papal election of the 20th
Century.
As Pope Pius X (1903-14) he finely helped on that dissolution of the
Church which Leo XIII had begun. How in his fight against Modernism he
drove its few real scholars out of the. Church and set up a new
Inquisition: how he tried to drive out artists, literary men, and
ladies by forbidding modern music at the Sunday services; and how he
fell foul of France and Italy by insisting on his right to examine the
morals of their prelates we shall see later. He died soon after the
outbreak of war in 1914. They no longer knock the Pope on the head
with a little hammer to see if he is really dead or feel the testicles
of a new Pope to be sure that he is not a woman in disguise, but the
mood in which the cardinal-electors met at Rome was as grim as ever.
In 1914 the Vatican was "modernized." It had one telephone, of
primitive type, one creaky lift, four firemen (and odd-job men), no
automobile or vacuum cleaner. But it did know that there was a war on,
and the big question was whether they should have a Pope who would
help to bring Italy into the war or one who would keep it neutral.
Italy was a member of the Triple Alliance with Germany and Austria,
but they had not much to offer it, though they made attractive offers
privately to the Vatican, and they knew that it was secretly
negotiating with France and Britain for a higher price. The Germans
therefore hinted to the Holy Ghost that they wanted a neutrality Pope,
and they got one, a rank outsider. A Strict Catholic writer,
Crispolati, who was in the crowd in the Piazza when Benedict XV, the
new Pope, came out on the balcony, says that there was "universal
stupefaction." Baron Sonnino wrote to a friend: "The Vatican is
working with the German Centre and was always an enemy of the Italian
nation." You ought to try on an Italian friend the little joke that
"the Church never interferes in polities."
Like his predecessor, Benedict XV was a holy man -- that is to say, he
was elderly and never drank or swore -- but as the moral ruler of the
earth in a grave crisis he was about as useful as the Grand Lama of
Tibet. Europe was aflame with the first great war of the century and,
though this is not the place to assign the war- guilt, no one imagines
that the welter of blood and tears was just due to an innocent
misunderstanding. But Benedict XV flatly refused to inquire who was
guilty, "I am," he said in his Consistorial Allocution on January 22,
1915, "commissioned by God to be his chief interpreter." One would
think that God would have had something to say about a war that cost
10,000,000 lives and $50,000,000,000 and led to a good deal of
Atheism, but his "chief interpreter" merely "denounced all injustice
by whatever side it may be committed" and said that he would not
"involve the pontifical authority in the controversies of the
belligerents." He was sure that it would be "clear to every unbiased
thinker that in this frightful conflict the Holy See, without failing
to watch it with close attention, is bound to a complete
impartiality." The Kaiser, being an unbiased man, heartily agreed with
him. All that he could hope for from Italy was neutrality. And the
present Pope, who was then Nuncio in Germany, was on good terms with
the Kaiser.
The great French scholar A. Loisy lashed him mercilessly (in The War
and Religion, 1915) for failing to distinguish between impartiality
and neutrality. The Italian's -- notably one Benito Mussolini went
further, They produced very good evidence that the Pope maintained to
treasonable correspondence with Germany through the Austrian Church
and very seriously tampered with the loyalty of the Italian troops.
But we have seen enough in our time of this kind of conduct on the
part of God's chief interpreter in a world- crisis. As I said in the
earlier books, the idea that there is anything new in the recent
policy of the Vatican or that you can blame the present Pope for it is
far astray.
How Benedict completed the medieval work of his predecessor and
fastened upon the Catholic world a Code of Canon Law which gives the
lie to American apologists we shall see later. The Barque of Peter
emerged from the war "with overwheathered rib's and tattered sails"
and before it had time to recover it ran into the hurricane, of
Atheistic Communism. A frothy sea of blasphemy (from both Fascists and
Communists) confronted the Pope in Italy, and devastating waves spread
over Germany, France, Spain, and Spanish America and Benedict
succumbed (1922) and the cardinals met for a grimmer fight -- I mean a
more ardent supplication of the Holy Ghost -- than ever. Ought they to
maintain Benedict's policy of spending millions of lire in an attempt
to conciliate Russia? Ought they to come to terms at last with the
Italian throne, which was tottering, and government and cooperate with
them in strangling Socialism? And so on.
The treasury was almost empty. Catholic writers say that the new Pope
found only $55,000 in it, but they are rather ingenious about these
financial matters. Seldes reports their report of the $55,000 but
seems to forget that a few pages earlier he had said that the new Pope
set out at once upon a career of princely generosity. "The day after
his succession" he says (p. 250) "he handed over 500,000 lire to the
German cardinals, for their compatriot victims of the sinking mark,"
and "some time after" he gave the French clergy 1,000,000 lire; and in
the same year (1922) spent 2,500,000 lire on his Russian mission or
enterprise. Some wizard of finance! Catholic writers say that Benedict
himself had found an empty treasury, and even the expenses of the
Conclave had had to be met by a fat American cheque! We thank them for
these detail's but would further like to know how these things
happened when, as we shall see in the last chapter of this book, from
1900 onward the income of the Vatican had been at least $500,000,000 a
year!
The same Italian writers tell us that Cardinal O'Connell had hastened
to this Conclave with instructions to probe the financial mystery. The
Knights of Columbus, we suppose, wanted to know where their money
went. But O'Connell reached Rome to learn that the Conclave was over,
and we gather that to express himself he helped out his very
elementary Italian with some ripe Irish-American.
The voting had been fierce -- there were 14 scrutinies or polls -- and
out of the fight had emerged Achille Ratti, son of a small silk-dealer
of peasant origin. If his predecessor's appearance on the balcony had
been greeted with "universal stupefaction" one wonders what sensation
Pius XI created. He was an obscure bookworm, a Papal librarian, and
had for the last few years been buried in Poland. Which did not
prevent the American press from hailing the result as a splendid
choice and the new Pope as a man of marvelous attainments -- he had
even climbed the Alps -- and character. He was quite moral, of course,
and therefore in Catholic language very holy, and of simple tastes. He
set up a Spartan suite of rooms in the Palace and brought his sister
to clean out the rascally valets, cooks, etc. He ordered that
account-books (which have never been seen) should be kept and is
supposed to have reformed the finances. The atmosphere of the Vatican
City and Rome was blue With naughty words.
The chief point that concerns us here is that Pius XI is the Pope who
made the famous, or infamous, compact with Mussolini, constructed an
alliance of great cordiality with Japan, and helped Hitler to power by
ordering the German Church to drop its hostility to the bunch of Nazi
adventurers. He is the Pope who made Eugenio Pacelli his Secretary of
State and Signed every agreement that Pacelli negotiated between 1930
and 1939. It was he who blessed the outrages of the Germans and
Italians in Spain and sent a Papal banner to float beside the
blood-stained rag of Franco; he who sat with sealed lips in the
Vatican while the whole Italian Church cheered the savage attack on
Abyssinia and called it a crusade for God and civilization: he who
patted Cardinal Innitzer on the back for betraying Austria to Hitler
and who approved the Catholic intrigues which ruined Czecho-Slovakia:
he who roused the Catholic world -- indeed the whole world as far as
he could reach it -- to hatred of Russia and a demand for the
extinction of Socialism. A very Holy Father. When he died the Catholic
press glowed with pride in his fragrant memory and his services to the
race, and the American papers generally dug out their stereotyped
articles about "the venerable head of the Great Church" and his
beneficent moral influence.
The cardinal-electors at once, and with less intrigue and dispute than
usual appointed as his successor the man who, as Secretary of State,
had emphatically carried out if not inspired, his policy of alliance,
for the benefit of the Church, with the three great powers whom the
world now execrates and loathes. The Catholic press hailed him
ecstatically. The American section of it assured the world, on the
authority of their cardinals (who had worked generously for his
election) and archbishops, that he was quite American in his
enthusiasm for peace, freedom and democracy. But I have told the whole
story in the preceding series of booklets and will not return to it.
Form your own judgment. You have all the material. Ask yourself this
question: Did or did not the American, British, and French cardinals
who were his chief champions in the conflict, and the archbishops and
bishops whom they are supposed to consult, understand the policy that
Pius XI and Pacelli has openly pursued for ten years? Choose your
alternative -- and your language about it.
This little sketch of the Conclaves of the last few decades will give
you a better idea of the Papacy as it is today than you will learn
from a hundred editorials and magazine articles. There is no need to
dig up the odoriferous bodies of the Popes of the Dark Age or the
Middle Age. I really do not care two pins about the question how many
children Innocent VIII, Alexander VI, Julius II or Paul III had or
just how many Popes were sodomists or murderers. I recall these things
only when I find so many other writers, even professors, pretending
that the Papacy promoted civilization in Europe or Catholic writers
telling monstrous untruths about the Middle Ages. After all, these
Papal sinners, however incongruous it may be to find them in a Holy
See in which the Holy Ghost takes so special an interest, did not do
much harm to the race. Most of the real evil was done by the Saints
(Leo I, Gregory I, Gregory VII, Innocent III, etc.). But a vast amount
of harm has been done by these stodgy bourgeois Popes of modern times
and the political "cardinals who guided their hands."
That they are "chosen by the Holy Ghost" you now see to be the
emptiest of bunk. They are not even chosen because they are the wisest
and best men available. The present Pope, it is true, was one of the
ablest of the cardinal-voters, but he was not chosen on account of his
linguistic ability and his experience from much traveling. He was
elected because the Italian cardinals believed that Germany, Italy,
and Japan would win in the impending conflict and would carry out
their promises to the Church and destroy Socialism. A Papal election
is like any other, except that in a political election the man with
the largest number of votes wins and in the Papal election the voting
must be repeated until one cardinal gets two-thirds of the votes. It
is gloriously prolific of intrigue but above all hovers the golden
rule: More power and wealth for the Church.
Well, this is the Pope when you strip him of all propagandist
"properties," as the theatrical folk say. That he is infallible is, of
course, even on Catholic principles a poor joke. Since it was declared
in 1870, after a prolonged and bitter struggle with a large part of
the bishops, that he is infallible if he speaks in certain conditions
every Pope has been very careful in his utterances to avoid those
conditions. Is he an autocrat? Very decidedly on Catholic theory. He
need not consult anybody, though in practice he consults his Secretary
of State and other cardinals when he is preparing an important
message. He can depose any prelate or cardinal, but in practice if an
Italian is troublesome to the Pope and his friends he is buried in a
diplomatic appointment far away. The Italian cardinals are the Pope's
cabinet and he frequently discusses matters with them and with
visiting cardinals and archbishop's but they have no power to modify
what he propose's to do. He is an autocrat, a dictator, a Fuhrer or
Duce, in just the same sense as Hitler or Mussolini. But just as these
find it expedient to discuss affairs with the leaders of their
respective parties, so the Pope must consult the sentiments of the
higher clergy of Italy. The cardinals find it safe to elect a
mediocrity sometime's because they know that he will not run the
Church. They and the leading Italian prelates do. That is the next
important point to appreciate.
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
Ted McMillan
> In article <71b8e9c9.02031...@posting.google.com>,
> Salet...@rocketmail.com (Susan Williams) writes:
>
>
So, let's take a break from wrangling with Antichrist
MSiciliana/"Teddy McMillan"/Dr. Patti so that we can focus more on her
cult that taught her how to be unscrupulous:
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
Ted McMillan
> In article <c9dac66d.02031...@posting.google.com>,
> tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) writes:
>
> Doomed to have no salvation? Let me quote again in vain again the fateful
> words:
>
> The Lord bless you and keep you.
> The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
> The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
>
> Numbers 6: 24-26>>
>
>
> I'm still not a "paranoid murderer terrorist of the Antichrist" whom you told
> us way back in September 2000 was Ellen White.
Next time show us the URL so we can go and see, huh?
MMSICILIANA
>Let me quote again in vain again
>the fateful words:
No, let me quote again *fruitfully* your fateful words:
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Ted McMillan
> Ted McMillan wrote:
> >Let me quote again in vain again
> >the fateful words:
>
In other words let me entrust a load of peanuts to an elephant!
I have better sense than entrusting something precious to the servants
of the Antichrist.
But here is a word from our sponsor:
First, the Vatican love:
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
From the pen of Joseph McCabe:
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
Ted McMillan
> Ted McMillan wrote:
> >Let me quote again in vain again
> >the fateful words:
>
I don't want anymore lies, so:
Hi Antichrist MSiciliana/"Teddy McMillan"/Dr. Patti who submitted
illegal and impersonating posts!
About your statement that I taught Ellen White was the Antichrist, of
course that is a whole lie from the half truth. Go to the following
URL if you want to know the truth the Antichrist never teaches:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8p4htd%24c6s%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&output=gplain
In the meantime, here is some more awesome truth that Antichrist
MSiciliana/"Teddy McMillan"/Dr. Patti cannot deal with. It's a
courtesy call for your lives:
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
Ted McMillan
> In article <c9dac66d.02031...@posting.google.com>,
> tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) writes:
>
> >From the pen of Joseph McCabe:
> >
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8p4htd%24c6s%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&output=gplain
Antichrist MSiciliana!! You telling the truth!!!!
In the meantime, here is some more awesome truth that Antichrist
MSiciliana/"Teddy McMillan"/Dr. Patti cannot deal with. It's a
courtesy call for your lives:
MMSICILIANA
>And it is also true that Ellen White is not anything and that we are
not to focus on her, but the Vaticans have studied her extensively? Is it true
prophets that tell us she is the Antichrist?
>
We don't know. Why don't you tell us, Oh Despot. You told us Ellen White is
the Antichrist. Are you a true prophet?
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MMSICILIANA
>the Antichrist.
But Ted McMillan tells us that Ellen White is the Antichrist:
Ted McMillan
> >The Protestant Reformation UNANIMOUSLY declared that the Papacy was
> >the Antichrist.
>
"Saudade" <sau...@ahora.net> wrote in message news:<Xkrk8.3813$To6.1...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>...
> Who is this Ellen White and why people are saying she's the Antichrist?
> Sounds too weird.
>
> Saudade
Ellen White was a lady who had unique gifts. She was instrumental in
the rise of the Seventh-dayadventist Church. She is reputed to have
had visions, and very remarkable accomplishments came through her.
Though possessing only a third grade education, she has had an
unbelievable impact not only on the SDA Church, but on the entire
world. She has written masterful works such as, The Great Controversy
- dealing with the Christian age, our day and the future. The Desire
of Ages - A masterful and award-winning work on the life of Christ,
among many other works.
Of course, the workers of the Antichrist tell us that Ellen White
didn't really write those works, or that she plagiarized them. That's
what happens when they warn us not to have a "conspiracy-centered
gospel."
Ellen White supported the Protestant stance of who the Antichrist is.
They all unanimously believed that the Papacy was. To combat that,
the Jesuits were unscrupulous enough to try and tell us that Ellen
White is. They therefore take her full name, including her middle
name and have found that it adds up to 666.
ELLEN GOULD WHITE
People like MSiciliana have been posting that she was the Antichrist.
Of course, scripture told us all the particulars about who the
Antichrist is. The number of the name is just one tidbit. Ellen
White is now dead. She never persecuted anyone. She never killed
anyone. The scripture tells us that 666 is the number of a MAN, and
Ellen Gould White is her MARRIED name.
That claim is so laughable and more proof that Rome has not changed
since the Dark Ages, that I posted just how laughable it was. This is
what I posted on the newsgroups in response to a post submitted by
Antichrist Joe Meehan. I will even show you the URL where it can be
found. If you would note, Antichrist MSiciliana chose willingly to
omit the URL:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8p4htd%24c6s%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&output=gplain
In article <AkRs5.3339$W4.8...@typhoon.columbus.rr.com>,
"Joseph Meehan" <slig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Begin Quote
> There you have it -- proof positive that Barney is the Antichrist.
> End Quote
>
> LOL (Which I would do for most of the Anti-Ted post if it were
not
> so said that he likely believes the stuff)
>
> --
> Dia 's Muire duit
>
> Joe M
>
>
Laughing at your own joke? Well I have something which is even
funnier:
Ellen White is the Antichrist!
You can't even out joke a paranoid "kook." And even yet is to be
answered what is the reason for the paranoia all you strange folks
have
toward a "kook." I would imagine that some people are curious in
wanting to know the reason.
Ted
--
For the work finished!
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Since that time, being the children of the Antichrist, MSiciliana has
been posting that I said, "Ellen White is the Antichrist," and leaving
it at that. She ignores the proofs below that Ellen White is not. It
is as old as her Dark Ages of murder and blood! It was outrageous
enough to even post that Ellen White is the Antichrist, but Protestant
documentation tells us and shows us throughout history that they go by
the code "The End Justifies the Means." They will spare nothing to
accomplish what they want, and there is no crime to great for them to
commit even to the extermination of whole communities!
ELLEN GOULD HARMON
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
Tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
Ted McMillan
> Ted McMillan wrote:
>
> >And it is also true that Ellen White is not anything and that we are
> not to focus on her, but the Vaticans have studied her extensively? Is it true
> prophets that tell us she is the Antichrist?
> >
>
> We don't know. Why don't you tell us, Oh Despot. You told us Ellen White is
> the Antichrist. Are you a true prophet?
Let's find out!
ELLEN GOULD WHITE
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8p4htd%24c6s%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&output=gplain
Ellen White is the Antichrist!
You can't even out joke a paranoid "kook." And even yet is to be
Ted
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ELLEN GOULD HARMON
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
Tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!
Ted McMillan
ELLEN GOULD WHITE
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=8p4htd%24c6s%241%40nnrp1.deja.com&output=gplain
Ted
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ELLEN GOULD HARMON
The Lord bless you and keep you.
The Lord let his face shine upon you, and be gracious to you.
The Lord look upon you kindly and give you peace.
Numbers 6: 24-26
For the Work Finished!
Ted McMillan
Tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com
R. L. Measures
tmac...@seventh-dayadventism.com (Ted McMillan) wrote:
> mmsic...@cs.cominvalid (MMSICILIANA) wrote in message
news:<20020315002308...@mb-fx.news.cs.com>...
> > Ted McMillan wrote:
> >
> > >And it is also true that Ellen White is not anything and that we are
> > not to focus on her, but the Vaticans have studied her extensively? Is
it true
> > prophets that tell us she is the Antichrist?
> > >
> >
> > We don't know. Why don't you tell us, Oh Despot. You told us Ellen
White is
> > the Antichrist. Are you a true prophet?
>
> Let's find out!
>
> "Saudade" <sau...@ahora.net> wrote in message
news:<Xkrk8.3813$To6.1...@e420r-atl1.usenetserver.com>...
> > Who is this Ellen White and why people are saying she's the Antichrist?
> > Sounds too weird.
> >
> > Saudade
>
> Ellen White was a lady who had unique gifts. She was instrumental in
> the rise of the Seventh-dayadventist Church. She is reputed to have
> had visions, and very remarkable accomplishments came through her.
>
> Though possessing only a third grade education, she has had an
> unbelievable impact not only on the SDA Church, but on the entire
> world. ... ... ...
€ Indeed. Ellen White's brilliant deduction that myopia was caused by
masturbation caused a sensation in the world of ophthalmology.
Susan Williams
> ? Indeed. Ellen White's brilliant deduction that myopia was caused by
> masturbation caused a sensation in the world of ophthalmology.
Worse than that, the accomplishments of the writings and experiences
and advice of Ellen White even earning her notariety through,
according to the workers of the Antichrist, being hit in the head with
a rock, is bound to more astonish people.
Just compare the works of the one struck in the head to a person named
R. L. Measures, and all will see that he just can't MEASURE up!
In His Grace,
Susan Williams
R. L. Measures
Salet...@rocketmail.com (Susan Williams) wrote:
€ There's a tender nerve is behind the bull's-eye.
>
cheers, Susan Williams