4x4 and women
eromano
Kauser...@ccmail.jpl.nasa.gov (Kauser S. Dar) wrote:
> I noticed that there appeared no female input to this 4x4 group--so here's
> mine!! My husband and I just bought a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee and I love
> It!!!
> I'd love to have a second one. Anyone else out there own one??
>
> --
> Ms. Kauser...@jpl.nasa.gov
I 've looked into 4x4 , but one obsticle....$$$$
i've road tested the 1994 explorer, but wanted to wait for the 1995 which
took them awhile to come out with....
i've also been in the 1995 Blazer. I really like the implovements to the
dash and control panel...
so now that you've recommended the Jeep Grand Cherokee, here goes another
test drive....
Kauser S. Dar
hollis barnes
>--
>Ms. Kauser...@jpl.nasa.gov
Oh yes there is! Don't let my name fool you. I'm female and I'll never
own another "car"! The only vehicle we own that isn't 4X4 is our boat!
Hollis Barnes
hol...@hubcap.clemson.edu
Mary Rathke
Kauser S. Dar <Kauser...@ccmail.jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>I noticed that there appeared no female input to this 4x4 group--so here's
>mine!! My husband and I just bought a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee and I love
>It!!!
I don't own a Jeep Grand Cherokee but do own a Jeep Wrangler and I love it!
I also started this newsgroup and happen to be a woman. If you ever have a
problem with your G. Cherokee, I'm sure someone here will be able to help.
Enjoy the group and your vehicle !!!
Mary Rathke
Robert W. Hall
|> In article <Kauser_S_Dar-2...@128.149.100.74>,
|> Kauser...@ccmail.jpl.nasa.gov (Kauser S. Dar) wrote:
|>
|> > I noticed that there appeared no female input to this 4x4 group--so here's
|> > mine!! My husband and I just bought a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee and I love
|> > It!!!
|> > I'd love to have a second one. Anyone else out there own one??
Speaking of women and 4x4's, my Bronco II was my mother's before
she gave it to me. She drove it for a couple of Ohio's lovely
winter's and now drives and awd car, an '87 Audi 100 quattro.
Rob
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Graduate Student, Computer Science and Engineering---------
The University of Michigan at Ann Arbor--------------------
http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~rhall
die-cast collector/model builder/restorer/driving enthusiast
/music fan/computer scientist
Robert W. Hall
I may trade my Bronco II this summer or fall.
I'm leaning towards maybe an Explorer Expedition (2-dr) or
Blazer 2-dr. (though I am turned off by the cheap plasticky interior
of the Blazer)
I love the looks of the Grand Cherokee (no 5-speed, though :(
but wonder about the long-term quality. Having experience
with Fords, I would go with the Explorer for the reliablity
but wonder about the Cherokee.
Many of the articles in magazines have expressed concern about
the long-term reliability of them, given Chrysler (& AMC's)
abysmal past quality history and many small problems that have
cropped up during their testing.
Comments?
Richard Larson
quality problems. A seriously annoying rattle in the rear shoulder belt
bracket that was fixed under warranty by the dealer. Blew out all four
Off-Road Package
shocks after 5 days of four wheeling in Western Navada. This was also
fixed under warranty.
On road it was awesome, any weather. Off road it did suffer from some
clearence problems. Most annoying was coming off a small drop off I bent
the rear frame/bumper mounts after catching the rear tow hook on a rock.
Get the tow package and receiver hitch and this would not be a problem.
In San Diego the main problem with Grand Cherokees is the demand for them
South of the border. Maybe enough negative email about quality problems
will solve this problems.
FYI: I replaced it with a Land Rover Defender 90. The Jeep dealers around
here were just way to annoying. $1000+ over invoice for Jeep?
-Rick
In article <CKEMP.95F...@bmerha9a.bnr.ca>, ck...@bnr.ca (Colin
Kemp) wrote:
> >>>>> "Robert" == Robert W Hall <rh...@earth.eecs.umich.edu> writes:
>
> Robert> Speaking of the Grand Cherokee,
> [...]
> Robert> I'm leaning towards maybe an Explorer Expedition (2-dr) or
> Robert> Blazer 2-dr. (though I am turned off by the cheap plasticky interior
> Robert> of the Blazer)
>
> > I love the looks of the Grand Cherokee (no 5-speed, though :(
> > but wonder about the long-term quality. Having experience
> > with Fords, I would go with the Explorer for the reliablity
> > but wonder about the Cherokee.
> > Comments?
>
> We've had a 1994 Grand Cherokee Laredo for 10 months now. We took it
> on a 4 month cross North America journey.
>
> Some events:
> - climbed Pike's Peak without blinking (on-road not off! THAT
> would have been a challenge!)
> - air conditioner through Barstow to Las Vegas trip at 117
> degrees F
> - gail force winds in Nebraska (scared the S#!T out of us)
> - offroading in Sedona
> - mud treks through the Alberta badlands
> - our 'tent' through a particalurly nasty storm in Palo Duro
> Canyon (sp?) Texas
> - blizzard on the hwy 400 from Barrie to Toronto (obviously
> NOT last summer but it happened anyway)
>
> To date, we have logged 36,000 km and have had no problems other than
> a slow start, where the dealership decided to replace the distributer
> rather than have it develop into something that would affect the
> journey. Plus we have to give the transparency of service from Jeep
> Dealerships across North America 5 stars (well Canada and the U.S. at
> least).
>
> I would wholeheartedly recommend a Jeep Grand Cherokee to anyone. As
> to long-term reliability, no one can say yet, but we certainly have
> tested ours on all sorts of scenarios and it has passed with flying
> colours.
>
> Robert> Many of the articles in magazines have expressed concern about
> Robert> the long-term reliability of them, given Chrysler (& AMC's)
> Robert> abysmal past quality history and many small problems that have
> Robert> cropped up during their testing.
>
> From our experience the magazines speculations are to date unrealized
> and I hope it stays that way. If the past ten months are any
> indication however, I'm looking forward to having this vehicle for a
> very long time.
>
> Robert> --
> Robert> Robert W. Hall rh...@eecs.umich.edu------------------------
>
>
>
> Colin Kemp
Wallace Tam
: But I heard they suck in the snow. I heard from a Range Rover driver
: that he eased past a guy puttering along in snowy road conditions.
: The G-C driver tried to follow him but promptly lost interest and
: thought it more fun to spin around in the road and hit a tree.
That's probably due to pilot error. I have the worst possible ice
machine, a 5.0 stick Mustang, but the last time I drove on ice, I was too
lazy to put on chains and cruised by a bunch of 4x4's with chains. Wallace.
: --
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: <->tay...@hubcap.clemson.edu<-> And then you will die.
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Cory Mercurio
We were concerned about the quality, but we are not anymore. Ours is a
'94 (13 months old). We have the Laredo. We opted for the I-6 rather than
the V-8. The 8 is about 400 pounds heavier, and the extra weight felt
"unstable" when rock crawling. We don't tow, so the power is not an issue
(there has never been a lack of power). Ever though we never tow, we bought
the tow package. Not only does the tow bar protect the rear bumper cover
(it has been bumped on a few rocks, and one rear end hit: it ripped the
hell out of his bumper, but didn't leave a scratch on the Jeep,THANK
GOD), but it also adds some heavy duty features (i.e. transfer case
cooler, etc).
The dealer has had no problem fixing *any and all* problems. One door
had some wind noise (they rehung the door) The roof rack had some wind
noise also (a simple plastic strip was inserted). We commented about
the engine noise (it kind of sounded like a tractor). It
wasn't a problem, since you can't hear it from the cabin. But about one
month a go, the dealer called us--they said they had the engine fix. We
were confused (we didn't remember "complaining"). Right now it is at the
dealer getting a *new* engine put in. But that's cool: a slight hassel,
but, hey, it's a new engine. Oh, yeah. Get the Up Country Suspension
group. It is well worth the extra cost.
If you have any concerns about it off road, don't worry about it.
Please don't get "street" tires: it give us G.C. drivers a bad name. I'm
tired of having to prove its ability to those who think it is only a
glorified, yuppy station wagon. Make no mistake: it is a JEEP. I've done
things faster and more gracefully than CJ gurus. I've out climbed CJs,
Scouts, Land Rovers, and most other 4X4's that are configured the same
way (i.e. stock). It rules off road (it is ultra comfortable). You'll be
doing 60 mph on wash board roads the will be painful to other drivers at
15 mph.
This maybe not be strictly on subject, but be assured the quality has
been first rate (or been made so). And it's a hellva lot of Fun (with a
CAPITAL f). Feel free to E-Me with any questions or comments.
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Colin Kemp
CTay> But I heard they suck in the snow. I heard from a Range Rover driver
CTay> that he eased past a guy puttering along in snowy road conditions.
CTay> The G-C driver tried to follow him but promptly lost interest and
CTay> thought it more fun to spin around in the road and hit a tree.
Can't say anything about the Range Rover comparison, but to say that
the JGC 'sucks' in the snow is simply wrong. Apart from the snow tire
issue, which BTW makes a HUGE difference on any car in the snow IMHO,
I have never had ANY complaints about the JGC in winter conditions,
snow or otherwise. As an additional thought, the JGC is also the
first vehicle I've driven with ABS and all I can say is that I am
sold.
CTay> --
CTay> <->C. Taylor Sutherland, III <-> You will know pain. And you will know fear.
CTay> <->tay...@hubcap.clemson.edu<-> And then you will die.
CTay> <->IRC-Nick: NIV <-> Have a pleasant flight.
CTay> <->Long live Amiga!<-----------> :-) <---------->Someone BUY Commodore!<->
Colin
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ck...@bnr.ca
My opinions.
Allen Bargfrede
> The dealer has had no problem fixing *any and all* problems. One door
>had some wind noise (they rehung the door) The roof rack had some wind
>noise also (a simple plastic strip was inserted). We commented about
>the engine noise (it kind of sounded like a tractor). It
>wasn't a problem, since you can't hear it from the cabin. But about one
>month a go, the dealer called us--they said they had the engine fix. We
>were confused (we didn't remember "complaining"). Right now it is at the
>dealer getting a *new* engine put in. But that's cool: a slight hassel,
Jeep and good dealer service should never ever be mentioned in the same
paragraph. I can't believe there is someone happy with Chrysler service
because my friends and I who own Chryslers (me: GC) can't find a dealer
That knows the difference between an engine and his own ass.
Allen
D. Mark Sprague
I have a 94 JGC with the V8. Although I think the vehicle is a bit
overpowered (I accidently passed a cop at 102 MPH, and didn't realize I
was going that fast) it is nice to have the power when you want it.
I was having an irritating occurance (I don't want to call it a problem).
When I put the Jeep into drive or reverse, you would hear the transmission
engage, but it would not be in gear until the second cachunk...I mentioned
it to the dealer when I was having it serviced, and ended up having the
transmission, overdrive unit, and drive shaft replaced. All under
warrentee. All no hassle.
Other than that I love my Jeep...unfortunatly so does my wife...So I get
to drive the Toyota every day, so that she and the baby can be "safe" in
the big jeep...;-(
D. Mark Sprague
MIT
Cambridge, MA
P>S>We just had an Ice storm up here, and the Jeep handled great in it.
Rich Young
>But I heard they suck in the snow. I heard from a Range Rover driver
>that he eased past a guy puttering along in snowy road conditions.
>The G-C driver tried to follow him but promptly lost interest and
>thought it more fun to spin around in the road and hit a tree.
In the March, 1994, comparison test of SUVs from _Car_and_Driver_,
the Range Rover beat the Jeep in off-road capability, but all-around
scores were 87 (out of 100) for the RR and 91 for the GC (lowest
score was 74 for the Ford Explorer Limited...but remember, that was
1994).
--
- Rich Young
(Hostile e-mail may be publicly posted. You have been warned.)
Leonard Lauria
>Kauser...@ccmail.jpl.nasa.gov (Kauser S. Dar) wrote:
>
>> I noticed that there appeared no female input to this 4x4 group--so here's
>> mine!! My husband and I just bought a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee and I love
>> It!!!
>> I'd love to have a second one. Anyone else out there own one??
>>
>> --
>> Ms. Kauser...@jpl.nasa.gov
>
i have one...well it is a 94. :)
if you have web access check out http://convex.cc.uky.edu/~leonard
look at the offroad pics.
leonard
--
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Sr. Systems Prog. University of Kentucky Computing Center, Lexington, Ky.
Colin Kemp
Kauser> I noticed that there appeared no female input to this 4x4
Kauser> group--so here's mine!! My husband and I just bought a 1995
Kauser> Jeep Grand Cherokee and I love It!!!
[...]
Kauser> --
Kauser> Ms. Kauser...@jpl.nasa.gov
My girlfriend owns a 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo and I don't think
a team of Bronco's could pull it away from her. ;-)
When she was buying it, the choice was between the Pathfinder and the
Jeep Grand Cherokee but the overall ride, interior comfort and
standard safety features were the deciding factor I believe.
She's so comfortable in it that we went off-roading in Sedona Arizona
last summer. I'm sure a YJ might have been better, but you'll get no
complaints from me on the Grand Cherokees performance.
In snow, (we live in Ottawa, Canada) it is an absolute dream. Perfect
for ski trips.
Overall it's a great vehicle. My only complaint is there is the
'typical' shimmying when in part-time 4 wheel drive on slow, very
tight radius turns. This is to be expected from what I have read
however.
Also, my sister is on her third Jeep Cherokee, and all maintenance
issues aside (not all that familar with them, but I know she's had
some problems), I am sure that she will buy another one when the time
comes.
My beliefs on the opinions of my girlfriend and sister posted to the
usenet ... Am I daring or what?!? ;-)
Colin
ck...@bnr.ca
Colin Kemp
Robert> Speaking of the Grand Cherokee,
[...]
Robert> I'm leaning towards maybe an Explorer Expedition (2-dr) or
Robert> Blazer 2-dr. (though I am turned off by the cheap plasticky interior
Robert> of the Blazer)
> I love the looks of the Grand Cherokee (no 5-speed, though :(
> but wonder about the long-term quality. Having experience
> with Fords, I would go with the Explorer for the reliablity
> but wonder about the Cherokee.
C Taylor Sutherland III
that he eased past a guy puttering along in snowy road conditions.
The G-C driver tried to follow him but promptly lost interest and
thought it more fun to spin around in the road and hit a tree.
--
<->C. Taylor Sutherland, III <-> You will know pain. And you will know fear.
<->tay...@hubcap.clemson.edu<-> And then you will die.
<->IRC-Nick: NIV <-> Have a pleasant flight.
MKJohnson
YOu have never lived in Clovis, Cal....1/2 the farm girls around down drive
4x4's, pack a large hat and ride....
Kauser S. Dar (Kauser...@ccmail.jpl.nasa.gov) wrote:
: I noticed that there appeared no female input to this 4x4 group--so here's
: --
: Ms. Kauser...@jpl.nasa.gov
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Andy Hon Wai Chu
>But I heard they suck in the snow. I heard from a Range Rover driver
>that he eased past a guy puttering along in snowy road conditions.
>The G-C driver tried to follow him but promptly lost interest and
>thought it more fun to spin around in the road and hit a tree.
In snow the Grand Cherokee performs quite well! I lived in Manitoba in
Canada.
aC
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email: umch...@ccu.umanitoba.ca
from: University of Manitoba, Canada
Bud Kuenzli
> Canada.
Even though I think Grand Cherokee's can't hold a candle to a Toyota in
terms of the engineering or excellence of body construction/parts, all of
the current 4-W drive utility vehicles...well...not all..but most do just
fine in terms of handling snow. Much, much more critical to excellent
traction in snow is the tire. Many people try to get by with an "all
weather" tire. It just will NOT cut it in serious winter conditions.
Believe me. Can you get by? Sure! That's why they sell so many of them.
But you'll have to drive more carefully. You could probably get by in
nearly bald street tires if you went slow enough!! But the point to having
this kind of car is to have good solid traction in such conditions. If you
spend $20,000+ on a car, spend the extra couple hundred on decent full
winter tires! And......if you state allows it, have them studded AND
siped. THAT is the ticket. My wife drives a Mazda RX-7 all winter (!) and
has excellent traction. Four studded, siped tires designed for snow are
the reason why. Hey. In our home, winter counts.
Bud Kuenzli
North Pole, Alaska
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Jonathan Sacoolas
>But I heard they suck in the snow. I heard from a Range Rover driver
>that he eased past a guy puttering along in snowy road conditions.
>The G-C driver tried to follow him but promptly lost interest and
>thought it more fun to spin around in the road and hit a tree.
We must not forget that an idiot can crash ANY vehicle in the snow. From
my experience ('93 Cherokee Sport) and friends of mine who have Grand
Cherokees we have had no trouble in the snow in Oregon. Slipping into 4wd
has usually provided instant traction for me on the way to the slopes.
For what it's worth I can also add that my Sport seems to be more
comfortable on the old logging "roads" in the mountains than a friend's
Chevy Blazer (Tahoe package). By the way, the owner of the Blazer agrees,
so this is not just my bias.
Jonathan Sacoolas
University of Southern California
saco...@usc.edu
Leonard Lauria
C Taylor Sutherland III <tay...@hubcap.clemson.edu> wrote:
>But I heard they suck in the snow. I heard from a Range Rover driver
>that he eased past a guy puttering along in snowy road conditions.
>The G-C driver tried to follow him but promptly lost interest and
>thought it more fun to spin around in the road and hit a tree.
>
buzzzz wrong answer....GCs are great in snow...or any other surface
for that matter....drivers on the other hand....some of them will never
never never learn.
Leonard Lauria
Richard Larson <rla...@qualcomm.com> wrote:
>
>On road it was awesome, any weather. Off road it did suffer from some
>clearence problems. Most annoying was coming off a small drop off I bent
>the rear frame/bumper mounts after catching the rear tow hook on a rock.
>Get the tow package and receiver hitch and this would not be a problem.
>
not exactly...i have the tow package and receiver hitch, and first time
out i drug my butt all over the place....and nearly pull the electric
connection box off. i did take the connector out and hid it up under
the body, but i left the box...why not, it is bent up out of the way
now. :)
a lift is what solves that problem.
Seth Abrahams
: In article <Kauser_S_Dar-2...@128.149.100.74>,
: Kauser...@ccmail.jpl.nasa.gov (Kauser S. Dar) wrote:
: > I noticed that there appeared no female input to this 4x4 group--so here's
: > mine!! My husband and I just bought a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee and I love
: > It!!!
: > I'd love to have a second one. Anyone else out there own one??
: >
: > --
: > Ms. Kauser...@jpl.nasa.gov
My girlfriend owns a 1967 Kiser M-715. Which is a 3 ton military 4X4 that
was converted to a chevy 350 and th400 auto tranny. She loves it. She
really loves the way guys look at her with disbelief when she is driving it.
ja...@enh.nist.gov
One woman with a 93 Grand Cherokee on-line!!!
Just stumbled upon this group today. Gave up months ago looking
for specific conversations on 4X4.
Looking forward to the conversations.
Tanya Foster
>In article <Kauser_S_Dar-2...@128.149.100.74>,
>Kauser...@ccmail.jpl.nasa.gov (Kauser S. Dar) wrote:
>
I've been readin` !! We ARE out here :) I grew up in Truckee Ca. so I
know what it is to NEED 4WD!! Now we raise cattle and some of the
places we have to go, you NEED 4WD for mud! I kept something to get up
the hill to ski in for awhile, a Subaru XT...that thing would go
ANYWHERE, I loved it (only the clearence stopped anything). Been looking
at a Jeep Wrangler possibly for commuting and skiing, but my real want
is a Ford F350 Powerstroke deisel 4X4 fleetside crewcab pickup with a
five speed and the Western Hauler package on it!! Whew...what a mouth-
full. Saving up for that one!.....I mean if I could, I would also get
a Hummer like all you guys out there are druelling over too, but I need
to carry more people and haul a gooseneck.
Ok, there is my story....come on women.....unite!!
Tanya
Vernon Pereira
>The service manager at my local Jeep Dealership raves about
>the GC, however he recommends the 4.0L 6 HO vice the V8. He and
>many others that I have spoken to, still think that there are some
>minor bugs to work out with the V8. The 4.0L has been around for a
>while and is pretty much bullet-proof.
The V8 has been around for a long time in the Dodge Trucks, etc.
A friend of mine here at work owned a 1977 Dodge Truck with the 318 V8. He sold it with 175,000 miles on it with no problems at all and the person who bought it still drives it.
The V8 is new in the Grand Cherokees. The GC with the 4.0L 6 felt a little sluggish when we test drove one.
/Vernon
'94 Jeep GC Laredo 4WD V8.
Steve E Caldwell
> Speaking of the Grand Cherokee,
>
>
> I love the looks of the Grand Cherokee (no 5-speed, though :(
Why the sad face, I'm the happy owner of a 5sp '94 Jeep GC
> but wonder about the long-term quality. Having experience
> with Fords, I would go with the Explorer for the reliablity
> but wonder about the Cherokee.
>
SNIP
>
> Comments?
>
I've had no problems with mine (1 yr/12K miles).
> --
> Robert W. Hall rh...@eecs.umich.edu------------------------
> Graduate Student, Computer Science and Engineering---------
> The University of Michigan at Ann Arbor--------------------
> http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~rhall
> die-cast collector/model builder/restorer/driving enthusiast
> /music fan/computer scientist
Steve '79 Scout SSII '94 Jeep GC
seca...@inside.intel.com
(I don't speak for Intel)
~DON'T TREAD ON ME~
Jerome A Dubois
>I noticed that there appeared no female input to this 4x4 group--so here's
>mine!! My husband and I just bought a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee and I love
>It!!!
>I'd love to have a second one. Anyone else out there own one??
>
>--
>Ms. Kauser...@jpl.nasa.gov
HERE HERE for GRAND CHEROKEES!
My father recently purchased one, in Feb of '93 when they were
introduced. The car has been absolutely flawless and he swears he has
never driven a better, safer car in his life. We have previously owned a
Cherokee Lerado and i am the owner of a Jeep Wrangler ('89). You can say
we are a Jeep family.
To further proclaim the Grand Cherokee: my brother fell asleep at the
wheel of it late one night and slammed into a guard rail at 50 mph.
Needless to say that the car was pretty damaged, but the 5000$ in damages
were PURELY cosmetic, the frame of the car was untouched, and my brother
excaped with a crush ego, thats it. We firmly believe had he been in any
other car, he would not have been so lucky.
Jeep Lover Forever,
jerome
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Capt John H Weigelt
> Speaking of the Grand Cherokee,
> Many of the articles in magazines have expressed concern about
> the long-term reliability of them, given Chrysler (& AMC's)
> abysmal past quality history and many small problems that have
> cropped up during their testing.
> Comments?
The service manager at my local Jeep Dealership raves about
the GC, however he recommends the 4.0L 6 HO vice the V8. He and
many others that I have spoken to, still think that there are some
minor bugs to work out with the V8. The 4.0L has been around for a
while and is pretty much bullet-proof.
John.
Brad Brighton
But I heard they suck in the snow. I heard from a Range Rover driver
that he eased past a guy puttering along in snowy road conditions.
The G-C driver tried to follow him but promptly lost interest and
thought it more fun to spin around in the road and hit a tree.
==
I have to say, from my own experiences anyway, you heard wrong :-). I
have a 94 GC, V8, Quadra-Trac, and in last winter's snow/slush/ice
festival in the mid-atlantic, the only problem I had was getting out
of other unfortunate peoples' way - almost made it, too :-)
Assuming the story you related was true, there could have been any
number of reasons that could have happened, driver ignorance being
included. The machine's performance is still limited to the skill with
which it is used. There is only so much technology can make up for on
something like this.
Oh, and on the quality issue: I've had mine 15mo, 30k miles (27k at
12mo), and except for the aforementioned accident and regular maint,
it's not been in the shop.
My vote, from experience, is still with the GC.
fwiw,
-brad
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If we could climb/the highest steeple/And look around at/all the people,/
And shoot the ones/not wholly good/As we, like noble/shooters, should/
Why, then there'd be/an only worry.../Who would there be left/to bury/us?
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Julie James
What a good time!
Roger Bly
92-94 Jeep Grand Cherokees. The reading I did, and advice
from truck "experts" said Jeep GC's have reliability
and drivability problems. I like the body style of the Jeep GC,
so I decided to give it some consideration anyway.
I just purchased a SUV and drove them all. I narrowed it down
to the Ford Explorer, Land Crusier, Trooper, and Jeep GC. I won't talk
about the LC or Trooper here.
The problem I had with the Jeep GC was that:
- The steering linkage was loose on all GCs I drove.
- Lots of minor fit-and-finish (quality) defects visible.
- The interior was cheesy (even in the limited).
- controls were laid our strangely.
- Folding down back seat was a pain compared to the others.
- I couldn't stand the salespeople.
Anyway, I ended up buying a loaded Explorer EB. Contrary to what
many of the car mags said, I found the Explorer to be more comfortable,
(I'm 6'3" 200 lbs) and have a better suspension/handling. I still like
the looks of the jeep more.
The explorer does fine in Mexico and the desert on sandy trails.
I have driven both offroad (sandy trails with large rocks) and in
some ways I like the Jeep GC better and in some ways I like the Explorer
better. I feel that the suspension of the explorer is more predictable
and I feel safer in it.
My selection (quality) criteria ranked something like this:
1. Interior comfort and quality
2. On-road drivability
3. Reliability
4. Serviceability (I do my own minor service/repairs)
5. Cargo space
6. Ergonomics
7. Off-road drivability
8. Safty features (ABS, air bags, etc.)
9. Body style, Image
10. Cost
For my needs the Explorer was a better match; and the poor quality
reputation of the Jeep GC sealed the deal... This Explorer is my
first truck, and it is one hell of a quality vehicle!!
- Roger (ro...@brooktree.com)
Ford Explorer EB
Ford Mustang GT conv.
Saab 900 Turbo
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McGath Deborah A
: Kauser...@ccmail.jpl.nasa.gov (Kauser S. Dar) wrote:
: > I noticed that there appeared no female input to this 4x4 group--so here's
: > mine!! My husband and I just bought a 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee and I love
: > It!!!
: > I'd love to have a second one. Anyone else out there own one??
Yep. Mine's a '90 Toyota V6, extended cab. Last check it had 110,000
miles. My poor car hasn't been driven in two weeks.
-Debbi
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The best things in life are done in a 4X4
Bruce Gordon
Powerwagon, and told me I could never get it stuck if I weas in 4 wheel
drive. Well I never did but I sure came close a number of times. We
now own a 83 Subaru GL 4X4 wagon and a Nissan 4X4 Pickup. Both are
great, and I love to just drive around in the new snow to see if I can
make it. Debbie Gordon
Bruce Gordon AL7AQ@KL7HFI Bruce's Trading Post
University of Alaska Excursion Inlet, Alaska 99850
fn...@aurora.alaska.edu
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