*** Marantz 2270 Receiver $225 ***
KDresch
*** Marantz 2270 Receiver $225 ***
This was considered a super power receiver when it was introduced in the early
1970s. Rated at 70 watts per channel - production units tested up to 90 watts
in reviews. Direct coupled design with large heat sinks for each channel along
with a large power transformer add up to a nice amp section. Inputs: AM/FM
stereo, two tape decks with dubbing (1/4” jacks on front), two turntables, and
aux. High blend, multipath indicator, Hi and Lo filters, Left, Right, Mono
selector, FM muting, loudness compensation. Bass, mid and treble controls for
both left and right channels. Connections and switching for two pair of
speakers. This unit has a near mint face plate (all lettering bright) and is
fully functional. However, one knob is scratched and you must tune to a little
to the left of the “center” to bring in Stereo (FM could probably use an
alignment). All the switches and pots have been cleaned along with the
interior and exterior. I also installed 9 new dial lamps. This unit was
originally offered by Marantz for $600, I can offer this example for $225 plus
shipping out of SC. (Image coming soon)
See all my used audio at:
Robert Morein
Having had one of these personally, I feel I must comment. The 2270 is totally
unsuitable for modern CD source material. Julian Hirsch noted in his original
review that the unit clipped rather abruptly, but that was not an issue with the
limited dynamic range of LP's. However, on CD's at more than low volume, the
receiver clips with the sound of a sharp stacatto, shutting down for milliseconds
at a time from the current limiting circuitry.
I recommend against purchase of these Superscope Marantz units at any price. I gave
mine away.
George M. Middius
Robert Morein said:
>The 2270 is totally unsuitable for modern CD source material.
>I recommend against purchase of these Superscope Marantz units at any price.
Robert, didn't you mean to add "... if you're planning to
use digital sources"?
George M. Middius
Remove "jiffy" to reply
John Diamantis
Robert Morein wrote:
>
> Having had one of these personally, I feel I must comment. The 2270 is totally
> unsuitable for modern CD source material. Julian Hirsch noted in his original
> review that the unit clipped rather abruptly, but that was not an issue with the
> limited dynamic range of LP's. However, on CD's at more than low volume, the
> receiver clips with the sound of a sharp stacatto, shutting down for milliseconds
> at a time from the current limiting circuitry.
>
> mine away.
>
Sounds like yours was *broke*. I have one mated to a pair of JBL 4411
studio monitors, and you've gotta hit near ear splitting levels to hear
clipping. While a little bright sounding, it does mellow out after being
left on a couple of hours. Mine put out 86 watts rms/ch both driven on
my bench. Saw no evidence of this *shut down* you speak of. I also have
a 2230, 2220, and a 2215 (15 watts per channel) that all sound fairly
decent for '70 's ss stuff (this from a dedicated tube fanatic). I wish
I was around when you were giving your's away, I would have put it to
good use! $225 is more than a fair price.
John Diamantis
Doug Patton
>
>Sounds like yours was *broke*. I have one mated to a pair of JBL 4411
>studio monitors, and you've gotta hit near ear splitting levels to hear
>clipping. While a little bright sounding, it does mellow out after being
>left on a couple of hours. Mine put out 86 watts rms/ch both driven on
>my bench. Saw no evidence of this *shut down* you speak of. I also have
>a 2230, 2220, and a 2215 (15 watts per channel) that all sound fairly
>decent for '70 's ss stuff (this from a dedicated tube fanatic). I wish
>I was around when you were giving your's away, I would have put it to
>good use! $225 is more than a fair price.
>
>
>John Diamantis
I guess its all in your definition of fair. Bluebook retail on the thing is
$76.
Kurt Hirsch
They're going for over $150 on Ebay...go figure.
Kurt
Eric Meyers
I have Marantz Model 2275 and 2385. They both are matched up with
seperate CD players and work fine. The 2385 has been hooked up to
Electovoice Sentry IVB Sound Reinforcement (sized like Altec Voice of
Theatre) Folded Horn Cabinets. 124 decibels, no clipping!
Eric Meyers
hcs(at)communque(dot)net
Doug Patton
In article <353B3F...@earthlink.net>, hcs...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
>They're going for over $150 on Ebay...go figure.
>Kurt
Well, _that_ one was probably broken, sold as is, no box or manual, and with a
dinged front panel<g>. You want to see what one is worth, call up Audio
Classics and ask what they'll give for one on a tradein.
John Diamantis
you can quote Bluebook prices until you're blue in the face, when it
comes to items that are collectable; this series of Marantz receivers
command higher prices because of this, as is true with other vintage
pieces of interest. Folks who want a "deal" should look for five year
old Yamaha or other receivers of recent manufacture. I'm sure if you
looked up the NADA price on a '66 Pontiac LeMans, or GTO, it would
probable give a retail of $76, too, but you wouldn't be able to touch
one in any kind of condition for less than 100X that price.
Doug Patton
In article <353D78...@erols.com>, wb...@erols.com wrote:
>
>you can quote Bluebook prices until you're blue in the face, when it
>comes to items that are collectable; this series of Marantz receivers
>command higher prices because of this, as is true with other vintage
>pieces of interest. Folks who want a "deal" should look for five year
>old Yamaha or other receivers of recent manufacture. I'm sure if you
>looked up the NADA price on a '66 Pontiac LeMans, or GTO, it would
>probable give a retail of $76, too, but you wouldn't be able to touch
>one in any kind of condition for less than 100X that price.
The only folks calling 70's vintage Marantz receivers "collectable" are those
looking for a clueless sucker to sell to. Take that "collectable" 2270 to your
local hifi hut or call one of the dealers who specialize in vintage gear and
see what you're offered for it. _That's_ an indicator of what its really
worth! A Marantz 2270 ain't a 66 goat,, no matter how hard the person selling
one trys to float that idea.
BTW, how many 2270 sales do you have personal knowledge of ie are you using
hard data to refute the OBB, or are you just talking off the top of your head?
John Diamantis
First off, read more carefully. I wasn't comparing a 66 GTO to a 70's
Marantz receiver! I was comparing pricing in the blue book and NADA VS
street prices. I know of several sales of 2270s, 30s that did not
conform to the almighty obb, and the buyers were very happy. One sale
was mine, several others were at a shop I frequent that sells used hifi.
Anything you *sell* to a store is not a barometer of price. What you Pay
for it is.
Before you let your lips flap about "clueless suckers", remember the old
saying...one mans trash is anothers treasure...No one is forcing YOU to
buy anything. Some people, myself included, happen to like the styling
and the reasonably good performance of the Marantz 22XX series. I
collect them, and have a 2270, 30, 20, 15, and a quad 4270. But I ain't
no sucker, SUCKER! That they still work well after 25 years, as opposed
to the numerous other recent pieces of mid-fi sh*t I've seen that have
self destructed in less than ten, is a testiment to their good build
quality.
The OBB is great, if you want to buy a used Yamaha, Sansui, whatever.
(I'm repeating myself, I know, but you didn't get it first go 'round)
But if you're purchasing used McIntosh, Marantz, Fisher, etc, and you
expect to pay Blue Book for it, you'll get laughed out of the store
you're in (or if I'm selling it, politely told no way). Supply and
demand drives the vintage market (unfortunately for us collectors trying
to buy stuff, but good for the sellers, unless they get "stuck" trying
speculate on the market).
jD
Doug Patton
John Diamantis wrote in message <353F67...@erols.com>...
>First off, read more carefully. I wasn't comparing a 66 GTO to a 70's
>Marantz receiver! I was comparing pricing in the blue book and NADA VS
>street prices.
Well John, it was _your_ analogy, and thats exactly what you were doing! You
were saying a 70's Marantz receiver is analagous to a 66 GTO, in that their
true market value is not reflected in the pricing guides. If thats not what
you meant, then you need to _write_ more carefully. I don't beleive the NADA
or Kelly list cars old enough to be called classics, so your analogy doesn't
hold water from any aspect.
Doug Patton
>
>The OBB is great, if you want to buy a used Yamaha, Sansui, whatever.
>(I'm repeating myself, I know, but you didn't get it first go 'round)
>But if you're purchasing used McIntosh, Marantz, Fisher, etc, and you
>expect to pay Blue Book for it, you'll get laughed out of the store
>you're in (or if I'm selling it, politely told no way). Supply and
>demand drives the vintage market (unfortunately for us collectors trying
>to buy stuff, but good for the sellers, unless they get "stuck" trying
>speculate on the market).
>
I too find the 70's Marantz stuff quite good looking. In fact i think its some
of the best looking stuff ever. However just because _you_ happened to
overpay for a Marantz piece, or a few dealers are trying to promote them as
"collectables," doesn't make the OBB wrong. If these dealers are still only
willing to _pay_ OBB whlse, I say that "collectable" thang is a myth being
created to increase margin. If you've ever actually looked at the bluebook,
you know the margin from used whlse to retail is _real_ good, much better
than on new stuff. After all, its a _dealer_ tool, to help them extract
maximum profits from their used gear. I'm not surprised that some gready
dealers don't find that margin enough. I _am_ surprised that there are so many
folks willing to fall for the "oh this piece is a vintage collectable" line
without actually investigating what the piece will bring when they want to
sell it. And yes I do call those folks suckers.
Speaking of the market driving prices, and your superior knowledge of the
"true" market prices, why don't you publish? Lots of folks pay hundreds a
year for Orion's expertise, but if you came out with a book of the "true"
prices, you might make your fortune!
What I can't figure is _your_ motive in trying to promote the Marantz reciver
as a collectable idea. Are you truly a collector, or are you getting ready to
sell and simply trying to create a market?
Steve Zipser (Sunshine Stereo Inc.)
Just for the record, Retail was $600. They were made from 1971 to 1973,
and were pretty good back then. The tuner section was excellent, the
amp section was merely OK. Current bluebook retail used is $165. Now,
children, peace !!!
Cheers
Zip
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Stats
In article <6ho444$prl$1...@okra.negia.net>, dpa...@negia.net says...
>
>
>John Diamantis wrote in message <353F67...@erols.com>...
>
>>First off, read more carefully. I wasn't comparing a 66 GTO to a 70's
>>Marantz receiver! I was comparing pricing in the blue book and NADA VS
>>street prices.
>
>Well John, it was _your_ analogy, and thats exactly what you were doing! You
>were saying a 70's Marantz receiver is analagous to a 66 GTO, in that their
>true market value is not reflected in the pricing guides.
Personally, I would not pay this kind of price for a 2270. I
already own one that I picked up in very good condition for $60, so
$225 would be out of the question. However the claim that
these are desirable and will sometimes fetch higher prices
than bluebooks is true. I've seen them sell for $200+ in
some of the on-line auctions. People love these old Marantzs.
I know a person who owns 4 or 5 of them.
So $225 is not an outrageous price if the piece is in mint.
Someone just might pay it. Since the Orion Bluebook has
them at $165, $225 is not far out of line. Particularly if
this is an exceptionally nice piece. A lot of things sell
for above the Bluebook prices.
Dana
Doug Patton
Steve Zipser (Sunshine Stereo Inc.) wrote in message
<6ho8ep$3...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>Just for the record, Retail was $600. They were made from 1971 to 1973,
>and were pretty good back then. The tuner section was excellent, the
>amp section was merely OK. Current bluebook retail used is $165. Now,
>children, peace !!!
>Cheers
>Zip
Hmmm. 1997 OBB listed the 2270 at $76. maybe these things really are
becoming collectables. BTW Steve, you of all people calling for peace really
gave me a chuckle<g>. Take care!
David A. Pearlman
In article <6hob5p$sj2$2...@news.doit.wisc.edu> godb...@hotmail.com (Stats) writes:
>So $225 is not an outrageous price if the piece is in mint.
>Someone just might pay it. Since the Orion Bluebook has
>them at $165, $225 is not far out of line. Particularly if
>this is an exceptionally nice piece. A lot of things sell
>for above the Bluebook prices.
And if anyone doesn't believe that, I will pay TWICE Orion Bluebook
retail for any and all Nakamichi TX-1000 turntables anyone cares to sell.
No limit. I will buy as many as you can deliver at this price. Provided
they're in very good or better condition, of course. (My offer
is based on the 1997 Orion Bluebook value, but I assume the 1998 value
is probably about the same--it hasn't changed much in years).
I am not holding my breath that anyone will deliver a warehouse of 'em (or
even one) to me. But please, feel free to take advantage of me! :-)
dap
Doug Patton
In article <6hp3iu$9vb$1...@cgl.ucsf.edu>, d...@cgl.ucsf.edu (David A. Pearlman)
wrote:
>
>I am not holding my breath that anyone will deliver a warehouse of 'em (or
>even one) to me. But please, feel free to take advantage of me! :-)
>
Well how many of those tables were actually sold in the US? Was it 5 of 10<g>?
Hardly the same as 22xx series Marantz stuff. I'll willingly concede that the
Bluebook probably won't reflect an acurate market price for exceedingly rare
stuff. For the less rarified items that us common folk might buy, I've found
it to be a pretty good guide for the last 20 yrs or so. I've _never_ had a
dealer offer me more than OBB avg whls, regardless of condition, but I've damn
sure seen a bunch of them trying to sell for way above OBB used retail,
claiming the item's a "vintage collectable." In this respect the NADA analogy
is correct. There are plenty of car dealers that will poo poo the NADA retail
price when they're trying to sell ya, but come time to trade in, and that's
the guide they reach for. OTOH, the NADA guide will most probably _not_
reflect an accurate market price for Wayne Newton's custom Mecedes roadster.
John Diamantis
Basic economics--supply and demand drives the collectables market,
whether it's
Beanie Babies, or Western Electric 300B output tubes. If you don't wanna
be a "sucker", then, don't pay the price. *This isn't milk for your
children, it's just hi-fi.*
I will pay a premium for something I (get it, me personally) truly
desire, especially, if it's in excellent condition. Then again, it's
always a pleasant surprise to find a nice piece of gear for ten bucks at
a yard sale. But I don't think I overpayed. If you wanted to purchase a
2270 in vg to excellent condition, you be hard pressed to find someone
who knew what they had to give it up for $76. Double that maybe; unless
they needed the cash.
You know where you can shove your sarcasm concerning my "superior
knowledge" about market prices. Anyone with an attention span greater
than 5 minutes, and the ability to read and do simple math can figure
this stuff out.
I have no alterior motives promoting the 22XX series Marantz receivers,
and from my experience felt the price being asked was commensurate with
the stated condition and model number being offered for sale. I do have
a couple of pieces for sale, (not 2270's, and a bit cheaper) but it's
not like anyone will stop breathing if they can't afford to buy them. If
no one wants to buy them at their stated price, I'll keep lowering it,
take best offer, or give it to a friend. (there's that old supply and
demand thing again)
I guess you're just not a believer in a free marketplace, and I'll take
that into consideration next time I read one of your replies.
BTW, I just hope you didn't pay alot for your copy of the blue book,
especially if you're trying to buy anything other than far east plastic
mid fi stuff. Because, other than that, it has no relavance to current
market pricing.
John Diamantis
Doug Patton wrote:
>
> John Diamantis wrote in message <353F67...@erols.com>...
>
> >First off, read more carefully. I wasn't comparing a 66 GTO to a 70's
> >Marantz receiver! I was comparing pricing in the blue book and NADA VS
> >street prices.
>
> Well John, it was _your_ analogy, and thats exactly what you were doing! You
> were saying a 70's Marantz receiver is analagous to a 66 GTO, in that their
> you meant, then you need to _write_ more carefully. I don't beleive the NADA
> or Kelly list cars old enough to be called classics, so your analogy doesn't
> hold water from any aspect.
Lets stop wasting bandwidth on this bullsh*t. You're perfect, we now all
know it, and won't question you and your Blue Book ever again, oh great
sage.
Doug Patton
>Lets stop wasting bandwidth on this bullsh*t. You're perfect, we now all
>know it, and won't question you and your Blue Book ever again, oh great
>sage.
Typical reply for someone who's arguing from opinion only, with no facts to
back it up. The only person commenting in this thread who actually _bought_
one of the things, said he paid guess what, a little less than last years
Bluebook price. Must have been a fluke right? I too bought a Marantz receiver
this yr (not the 2270), and paid less than Bluebook retail. John, I just don't
believe you have the pulse of the used audio market, no matter how vehemently
you claim to, and no matter how much you ridicule those that disagree with
your perception.
Andy
If you can tell me where i can find 22xx series marantz receiver
going for sale at blue book price or less, please let me know ,
because I sure as hell am not finding these receivers at the blue
book price , in fact usually considerably higher.. <sigh>
Andy
John Diamantis
Doug Patton wrote:
>
> In article <354377...@erols.com>, wb...@erols.com wrote:
>
> >Lets stop wasting bandwidth on this bullsh*t. You're perfect, we now all
> >know it, and won't question you and your Blue Book ever again, oh great
> >sage.
>
> back it up. The only person commenting in this thread who actually _bought_
> one of the things, said he paid guess what, a little less than last years
> Bluebook price. Must have been a fluke right? I too bought a Marantz receiver
> this yr (not the 2270), and paid less than Bluebook retail. John, I just don't
> believe you have the pulse of the used audio market, no matter how vehemently
> you claim to, and no matter how much you ridicule those that disagree with
> your perception.
Me ridicule you? Excuse ME, mr. short of memory, but you started this
pissing contest with your attempt at sarcasm in asking me to write a
price book, that would surely "make me wealthy", since, as you put it,
"I knew everything was to know about pricing". I never claimed to have
the pulse of any market. Just stated (again for the 10,000th time) that
prices for vintage hifi are based more on supply and demand, than the
Blue Book.
Tell me this...how many RCH's did it take to make up that pair of
"handmade" hookup wires worth $500 you posted for sale? Just
wondering...
Doug Patton
No _you_ started the _pissing contest_ with your extrodinary claim that you
were more qualified than Orion to appraise audio equipment. I was just
pointing out that for over 20 yrs, enough folks have felt the OBB to be a
valuable enough tool to fork a good bit of money for it. As far as I know,
their is no Dementis guide, but if you really feel you can do a better job
ie have a better handle on pricing ie "superior knowledge" of the field,
than you ought to publish a competing product.
I've found the bluebook pretty damn accurate over the last 18 or so yrs I've
been aware of it. Is it perfect? No way! The more common the item, the more
accurate the appraisel. Not too surprising. Fortunately, my taste runs
toward the more mundane. I've also found, over the last 30 or so yrs that
I've been an audio hobbiest, when someone starts talking about "this is a
collector's item" and "the bluebook's full of shit" that most likely they're
blowing smoke up your ass, and trying to sell ya a bill of goods. The way to
find out is to call around pretending you have one to sell, and see what the
dealers are offering. If all you are offered is OBB whlse, then you can most
likely dismiss those "collector's item" claims. If the item truly is
underpriced in the book, you'll be offered more. Most times its the former!
My ad for the Marantz receiver was completely tongue in cheek. If anyone
_really_ wants the thing, its in excellent condition, and I'll sell it for
$150, which is about $50 less than what someone said current bluebook is (I
don't have the 98 OBB).
I'm sure everyone is as bored as I am with this thread (or more so), so I
won't comment further, and will leave you the last word.
Ron Owen
And while you're at it, how about someone willing to cough up a Marantz
8 amp for blue book?
Ron
John Diamantis
Since you said I could have the last word, we'll see if you can stick to
your guns...
Doug Patton writted:
> No _you_ started the _pissing contest_ with your extrodinary claim that you
> were more qualified than Orion to appraise audio equipment.
Never said I was more qualified that Orion, CAN'T YOU READ AND
COMPREHEND?? I said some collectables' (it doesn't matter if YOU think
they are collectables or not, it matters what people who collect them
and ultimately buy them think) pricing does not follow the guides set
forth in the BB, because with them it's SUPPLY AND DEMAND. If ten people
want a Yorx rack system (for example) so bad it hurts, and the BB says
its worth five bucks, but there is only one available and its on ebay,
do you think the bidding will stop at $5.00 just because the BB says
that's what you should pay for it?? If one of those ten really wants it,
they'll pay more.
I was just
> pointing out that for over 20 yrs, enough folks have felt the OBB to be a
> valuable enough tool to fork a good bit of money for it. As far as I know,
> their is no
Can't you even copy a name from several lines above. Or are you trying
to make me mad by deliberately misspelling my name(oooh). You act like a
12 year old. No, more like a 12 year old asshole. As a matter of fact
the last person to ridicule the spelling of my name was a 12 year old
asshole.
>Dementis< guide,
<snip>
>Fortunately, my taste runs
> toward the more mundane. I've also found, over the last 30 or so yrs that
> I've been an audio hobbiest, when someone starts talking about "this is a
> collector's item" and "the bluebook's full of shit" that most likely they're
> blowing smoke up your ass, and trying to sell ya a bill of goods. The way to
> find out is to call around pretending you have one to sell, and see what the
> dealers are offering. If all you are offered is OBB whlse, then you can most
> likely dismiss those "collector's item" claims. If the item truly is
> underpriced in the book, you'll be offered more. Most times its the former!
Bullshit! A dealer is not going to offer more than BB because he wants
and needs to make a huge profit. Unless it's a Marantz 10B, 7C, etc., or
McIntosh tube, etc. But they still won't offer you anywhere near the
market rate for it. A very innaccurate way of determining price.
>
> My ad for the Marantz receiver was completely tongue in cheek. If anyone
> _really_ wants the thing, its in excellent condition, and I'll sell it for
> $150, which is about $50 less than what someone said current bluebook is (I
> don't have the 98 OBB).
>
> I'm sure everyone is as bored as I am with this thread (or more so), so I
> won't comment further, and will leave you the last word.
I think you need to go lie down and relax. Maybe have a beer or two. And
get a life. Last time I checked, everyone got along just fine without
you having to be their net nanny. It's only HI-FI, after all.
jD
marsnave
Blue book uses a formula of a percentage deducted for every year after
it's manufactured. It does not take into consideration of supply or
demand.
Doug Patton
marsnave wrote in message <3546A8...@inlink.com>...
>Blue book uses a formula of a percentage deducted for every year after
>it's manufactured. It does not take into consideration of supply or
>demand.
>
If that's the case, then how do you explain the OBB used retail price of the
receiver we're discussing _doubling_ since last year? Orion claims their
info comes from national dealer surveys. If you know what you're talking
about ie have direct knowledge that they are lying about this, I sure would
like to hear about it!