Jupiter-Pluto
Axel Harvey
one minute later, at 7:47 1/2 EDT, Jupiter rises at the White House
(38n53.8' 77w 2.2'). What do you think this portends? It seems like a
weekend in which action and reaction will be exaggerated and
destructive.
gygyuu
http://www.mapblast.com/ gave me 38n53'34.99884 and 77w02'05.0316 as the
coordinates for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
...but, I don't see anything as dire, as you seem to indicate. Perhaps a
small bump, that's all. MC=VE!!! JU=PL!!! When it is MA=PL, then I will
worry. I don't see indications of destructions -- I see a mating dance.
Grant
==================
16th Harmonic
AR =
MA+PL-MC: Organizer. Maker of plans. Attending to several jobs at the same
time. To do them alternately.
MC+AR-VE: To make-up oneself for others. Being liked. Looking attractive to
the public.
MA+PL-VE: To develop as planned. Pleasant changes in connection with
intimates & blood relations.
MA+JU-MC: The betrothed person. Satisfaction & contentment in one's
activity. Content with oneself.
====================
SU =
AS+ME-MA: Dispute with others. To be critically & sharply judged.
Disputation.
MA+UR-NO: Surprisingly connected with others in joint activity. To be
embroiled in an event. Appendix operation.
MO+MA-NO: Connections thru one's work acquaintances. Connections with women
or soldiers.
MC+SU-VE: Body & soul in harmony. To make peace. Devoted to love with heart
& soul. To have a preference for something.
SA+NE-MO: Treacherous woman. Sickly & weak persons. Diseases of the womb.
Diseases & sickness of the population.
===================
MC = VE =
VE+UR-MO: A woman fastidious in love. Labor-pains. Sudden surprising harmony
with the public or female persons. Social dances.
MC+UR-MO: To be in a bad humor on account of a woman or people. To enact a
scene. Labor pains.
VE+PL-JU: Joy & happiness over the beginning of a new development.
VE+VE-MC: Affection. Fondness.
MC+PL-JU: Fortunate development of soul & spirit.
MC/VE : Individual, personal love. Sincere affection. Deeply,
warm-heartedly falling in love.
MC/VE : Individual, personal love. Sincere affection. Deeply,
warm-heartedly falling in love.
MA+PL-AR: Organizing. Planning. Duplicates, to copy, to repeat, to multiply.
To lead, or to perform several activities at the same time. To divide, to
split, to branch off. Plans & organizations which concern the generality.
Supervising the general work. General administration. Civil service.
MA+PL-AR: Organizing. Planning. Duplicates, to copy, to repeat, to multiply.
To lead, or to perform several activities at the same time. To divide, to
split, to branch off. Plans & organizations which concern the generality.
Supervising the general work. General administration. Civil service.
VE+JU-PL: Good fortune & happiness on the way, developing. Coming happiness.
A happy change. Transformation or development.
=========
AS =
NO/VE : Lovers' unions.
AS+PL-JU: Fortunate changes at the place, or of one's place. Benefic
changes.
MC/NO : Individual relationships with others sharing the same ideas &
attitudes, the founding of a group.
AS+VE-MC: To be happy & glad about the treatment one receives from others.
Love's influence upon the mind.
JU+JU-NO: Fortunate union.
NO+ME-NE: Disappointing correspondence or exchange of thoughts. Fruitless
waiting, to leave someone in the lurch.
MC+AS-VE: Agreeable professional connections. To be content with one's
professional relations. Harmonious connections in one's immediate
surroundings.
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Axel Harvey
> I think that you are close, Axel.
> http://www.mapblast.com/ gave me 38n53'34.99884 and 77w02'05.0316 as the
> coordinates for 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Drat, that makes a discrepancy of 0.2 minutes in latitude and 0.1
minute in longitude! My estimate was made years ago with a US
topographic map.
Hmm... Would the Secret Service pick us up if we walked around the
White House while taking readings from our GPS thingies?
Ray Murphy
----------
In article
<Pine.LNX.4.10.10105...@localhost.localdomain>, Axel
Harvey <a...@CAM.ORG> wrote:
Well that would be a hell of a lot safer than setting up a theodolite
and taking your bearings from the Sun or stars - especially if you
were using an old one with a reasonably long scope.
Ray
Doris McMichael
That's a first, may be Bush's best PR stunt to date! Jupiter is connected
with sports and entertainment, right? Pluto is the ruler of the US chart,
and IMHO represents the mass population Dorie
"Axel Harvey" <a...@CAM.ORG> wrote in message
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John Roth
Pluto.
It doesn't **have** to be negative, but in world events, that's the way the
smart
money bets - and wins. There are a huge number of events that are part of
this
opposition, including the US-China mess, the emphasis on the Timothy McVeigh
execution, the removal of the US from the UN Human Rights commissions, and
on and on and on.
Some of these could eventually turn out with positive resolutions, but don't
hold
your breath - what Pluto does tends to have very long lasting consequences.
John Roth
"*SES*" <au...@REMOVEefortress.com> wrote in message
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> Would it have to be negative? Maybe it means something will change for the
> better because of a large outcry. Maybe all the people getting up in arms
> over the gas prices will force something to be done to control that?
> Susan
>
michael Jordan
over-head on the MC at 48 1/2 degrees east Longitude 21 Degrees north latitude.
This is just south and directly on line with the
400,000 barrels per day oil stream in southwest Iran
in the north of the Persian Gulf which is the largest concentration of oil in the region.
And very interestingly, Pluto is on the MC on a line
which runs east of the Alaskan-Canadian border at 131.5 degrees west longitude.
How about a proposal in within the next month Sun Gemini about 15 degrees by 'shorty' Bush for a
joint Canadian-US Pristine Wilderness Oil (Jupiter) Development (Pluto) pact
which gets presented on the eve of yet another announcement of a decline
in Arab oil production which boosts gas prices and has every
soccer mom and pop reeling over higher gas prices as the big
summer gas usage season starts in earnest here in the US.
After all, Shorty is a uniter not a divider
and by pushing the free trade stuff after the recent
WTO conference in Canada this would be a perfect
way to say that he means business, oil business that is.
The assumption here is that the Maple Leaf government
is sitting on more untapped oil than it wants the world to find out about.
Multinational interests are just itching and sweating to get their
engineers the rights to explore there and start drilling.
Such a pact would ease the political pressures here by uniting the
Plutocrats in both countries and
maybe, maybe... catch the Maple Leaves off-guard. They might even
get the old guard EEC to join in on the venture.
The groundwork was put in place with the Cheney speech last week.
And since militarism is increasing the fear of a confrontation with China
there will be an added propaganda boost for we
Western Hemisphere states to build up our reserves
to keep us strong from the China threat.
But you know me Axe, I'm a grinding cynic.
---
"If you are not paranoid then you just don't understand the problem. ."
Jordan
as...@lmi.net
http://users.lmi.net/~ballgame/index.htm
"Axel Harvey" <a...@CAM.ORG> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.10.10105...@localhost.localdomain...
gygyuu
>From: michael Jordan
>Newsgroups: alt.astrology.moderated
>Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 5:59 PM
>Subject: Re: Jupiter-Pluto
>
>
>To those of us devoted to watching the political angle of
>this, the Jupiter Pluto the opposition mundanely falls with
>Jupiter
>over-head on the MC at 48 1/2 degrees east Longitude 21
>Degrees north latitude.
Well, I for one don't see this for the data that Axel presented:
May 6, 2001 at 7:47:05 EDT (11:47:05 UT)
Washington DC
I do see PL=JU on the MC between 30º-40º E
I do see MA and CH very close to the position that you indicate.
>
>This is just south and directly on line with the
>400,000 barrels per day oil stream in southwest Iran
>in the north of the Persian Gulf which is the largest
>concentration of oil in the region.
The only significators that I see running thru Iran are NO(MC) and VE(DS).
>
>And very interestingly, Pluto is on the MC on a line
>which runs east of the Alaskan-Canadian border at 131.5
>degrees west longitude.
>
Here again, I see JU=PL between 140º-160ºW, which is not upon the border.
>How about a proposal in within the next month Sun Gemini
>about 15 degrees by 'shorty' Bush for a [...]
Ok, what is with you, Michael?
I may not like Bush, but I would not be so slack to resort to childish
name-tagging.
>[...] joint Canadian-US Pristine Wilderness Oil (Jupiter)
>Development (Pluto) pact
According to Bills "The Rulership Book" oil is NE or MA, and a pact is VE.
[...]
What data are you using, Michael?
It certainly isn't the data that you cite below.
I am good enough at astrology to know that.
Check out the map at
http://www.astro.com/cgi-bin/atlw3/showgif.cgi?lang=e&gif=achart_84650.23691
.gif&res=100&va=
Grant
>
>"Axel Harvey" <a...@CAM.ORG> wrote in message
>news:Pine.LNX.4.10.10105...@localhost.local
>domain...
>> Jupiter opposes Pluto Sunday morning around 6:46 1/2 EDT.
>One hour and
>> one minute later, at 7:47 1/2 EDT, Jupiter rises at the
>White House
>> (38n53.8' 77w 2.2'). What do you think this portends? It
>seems like a
>> weekend in which action and reaction will be exaggerated and
>> destructive.
michael Jordan
There you go shooting from the hip again ol' good buddy. Maybe you put the wrong data into your hibachi. Mundane astrologers use
the time of the aspect which was 6:46:30 am Eastern Daylight time, not the time of the rise for the aspect. This places the greasy
ol' neptune on the midheaven in Washington DC. The difference of One hour and One minute is used to judge the time where the
outcome will be noticed in the locale in question. For the local event it was the T-Ball diversion mentioned by Doris. I think
Axel was looking a little deeper and mentioned the aspect time along with the rising time. You were calculating a chart for a time
past the Jupiter Pluto opposition when the planets were separating when you used 7:47 AM.
Mundane astrologers also look to the positions of the planets around the world most concentrate on those planets on the midheaven
around the world. So at the partile moment of Jupiter's opposition of Pluto, the three planets Neptune, Jupiter, and Pluto were in
the following positions of three coordinates:
Jupiter Neptune Pluto
Midheaven 48e 75w 131w
Nadir 132w 105e 49e
Zenith 22n 18s 12s
JUP NEP PLU Beginning of a hidden fortunate development. Increase of possessions not noticed on the surface of things.
Neptune is in a 3rd harmonic (trine) relationship with Zeus:
NEP ZEU Provoking another. Enraging another and making them angry. Failure. Impotence. Ignition. Creative imagination. Wasted
energies. Sterility. Without direction. Inflammable gas. Liquid fuel. Steam. Compelled to inflict losses. Rendered impotent,
frustrated. Offenses. Setbacks. Scalds and burns.
MC Neptune Zeus together at Washington is perfect for a description of the Cheney pronouncements on oil and the Californians.
MC NEP ZEU Gravely offending someone. Enterprises that disappoint. Hot-tempered. Pompous person. Weakness of will, incompetence,
Planning too many things. Abandoning plans.
MC NEP Concentrating on the future. Following the unknown. Decline. Refusal. Unsure. The doubtful. Unable to support. Unintelligible
attitude. Following wrong ideas. Swindle. Prevarication. Lying. Deceived.
Regarding the influence of Jupiter and Neptune and petroleum and its refinates.
I would suggest that you throw out that rulership book, "Bill the Cat"? Sounds like they are just repeating past errors based on
intuition rather than science. The problem with such books is that they don't encourage people to think it out for themselves.
Jupiter acquires it's oil connection due to its association with fats which store energy. Ever barbeque? Fat, fire. Petroleum is
essentially an organic product and follows the rules of organic chemistry. Pressure compresses organic material beneath the earth's
surface.
In the body of a person Jupiter represents stored fat, either olive oil or crisco. In the body of the earth, the stored fat is
petroleum. Neptune is in a perfect fifth relationship with Jupiter when you do the math. It represents the refining process of
boiling crude petroleum into motor oil, gasoline, naptha, wax, butane, etc. So in Washington, the thought on the mind of the
president and the vice president was refined gasoline Neptune. The way to refined gasoline is through refining light sweet crude
petroleum.
Regarding proposals: If you go back and re-read the post the noun in my prediction was *a proposal* not a pact. Venus was in a
third harmonic with Cupido.
VEN CUP Love marriage. Things we are pleased with. Pleasant company or social activities. Marital happiness. Pleasant company.
Peaceful society or associations.
The Moon is in a 5th harmonic (quintile) to Mars and in a 7th Harmonic (triseptile) with the Sun
SUN MOO MAR Marriage, Wedlock. A marriage of reproduction.
---"He's a moving target, and he'll fascinate the people who try to shoot him down."
Mike at as...@lmi.net
http://users.lmi.net/~ballgame/index.htm
gygyuu
>----- Original Message -----
>From: michael Jordan
>Newsgroups: alt.astrology.moderated
>Subject: Re: Jupiter-Pluto
>
>
>Grant,
>
>There you go shooting from the hip again ol' good buddy.
>Maybe you put the wrong data into your hibachi. Mundane
>astrologers use
>the time of the aspect which was 6:46:30 am Eastern Daylight
>time, not the time of the rise for the aspect.
Axel gave two different times, and the inquiry was directed towards a
Washington DC event. At least I specified the time that I used, it would be
useful for you to follow that example and supply the pertinent data that you
used. then such misunderstandings could be avoided.
But it's easy enough to chage the time an recalculate the map to your specs.
> This places
>the greasy
>ol' neptune on the midheaven in Washington DC.
Right
[...]
>So at the partile moment of Jupiter's
>opposition of Pluto, the three planets Neptune, Jupiter,
>and Pluto were in
>the following positions of three coordinates:
>
> Jupiter Neptune Pluto
>Midheaven 48e 75w 131w
>Nadir 132w 105e 49e
>Zenith 22n 18s 12s
Right
>
>
[...]
Now this is where you lose me and others. What positions (degrees) are you
referring to?
JU = 14 GE 40
NE = 8 AQ 47
PL = 14 SG 40
>JUP NEP PLU Beginning of a hidden fortunate development.
>Increase of possessions not noticed on the surface of
>things.
Of the three possible solutions
JU+NE-PL = 128:47 opposes NE
JU+PL-NE = 20:33
NE+PL-JU =128:47 opposes NE
so I assume you are trying to get across the point that
NE = JU+NE-PL = NE+PL-JU which is really moot in the case of oppositions
because
SU = JU+SU-PL = SU+PL-JU
MO = JU+MO-PL = MO+PL-JU
ME = JU+ME-PL = ME+PL-JU ... etc., etc.
All the planets are connected to JU and PL by this formulation -- X =
JU+X-PL = X+PL-JU because the differences of PL-JU and JU-PL = 180º =
opposition.
This is a common occurrence with planetary pictures -- two planets in
*exact* aspect will form planetary pictures with *all* significators.
>
>Neptune is in a 3rd harmonic (trine) relationship with
>Zeus:
>
What is Zeus? A hypothetical? A scientific astrologer wishing to validate
astrology would be wise to use only known values. See my other post [Re:
Subject: what do people think about giving astro reports for free???]
concerning the validity of TNP positions. I don't waste my time with them,
so we'll skip to ...
>
>MC NEP Concentrating on the future. Following the unknown.
>Decline. Refusal. Unsure. The doubtful. Unable to support.
>Unintelligible
>attitude. Following wrong ideas. Swindle. Prevarication.
>Lying. Deceived.
I suppose that you are trying to tie in that NE will be culminating at DC
within the hour of the JU=PL opposition.
Here, there is an error of ommission because around the 15:10 (16th
harmonic) MC/NE midpoint are other sensitive points which modify your dire
progostication ... (since we are dealing with *exact* values, I include only
the sensitive points which are within the inherent orb of ±3' error) ...
15:06 = NO+NO-AR: Many unions, alliances. Connections with the public.
Junction. Communication. Limit, boundary or border
relations.
15:07 = MC+MC-AS: One's position towards others. Attitude.
15:07 = MO+VE-AR: Feeling. Love. The loving woman. Hours of love.
Pregnancy.
Motherhood, motherliness.
15:08 = VE+NE-JU: Happy enthusiasm of love. Temporary happiness in an
unfortunate love affair. Only for hours united in happy
love.
15:08 = VE+NE-PL: Sweet, kind & friendly to the face, but actually
insincere.
Development of a secret sympathy.
15:09 = SU+JU-ME: Good physician. Good news. Thoughts of success.
Persevering
speaker. Success thru speaking, travel, commerce & trade.
Writing.
15:09 = SU+PL-ME: The development of the body is speeded up by much motion.
Motion exercises. The agility of the body increases.
Condition of the nerves.
15:10 = MC+AR-MA: To work with other people. To let others work. To look
energetic, active & busy.
15:10 = MC/NE : Insecure, uncertain, sensitive to others. Utopian ideas.
A
mystic or fraud.
15:11 = MA+NE-AR: General infection, destruction, dissolution. rejection.
Denial.
15:12 = MC+JU-VE: Blissful feelings thru love.
15:12 = MC+PL-VE: To develop harmoniously.
15:12 = SU+MA-JU: A man happy in his activity. The fiance. The victorious
one.
15:12 = SU+MA-PL: The man who makes plans. To plan one's own work or job.
To
carry on several jobs at the same time.
(all quotes per Witte)
Uhmm. Looking at the entire picture, it isn't as bad as you dreamed it.
>
>Regarding the influence of Jupiter and Neptune and petroleum
>and its refinates.
>
>I would suggest that you throw out that rulership book,
>"Bill the Cat"?
Rex Bills is THE authority on this subject until someone writes a better
rulership book. I might question him at times, but I do not dismiss his
conclusions since I know that he researched this subject quite thoroughly..
NE gets its connection via the underground oceans of oil.
Oils of the body are the MO according to Bills.
>
>Regarding proposals: If you go back and re-read the post the
>noun in my prediction was *a proposal* not a pact.
You wrote "[...] joint Canadian-US Pristine Wilderness Oil (Jupiter)
Development (Pluto) pact [...]"
>Venus was in a
>third harmonic with Cupido.
What does that mean? Planets are not harmonics of planets; there is no basis
for this in fact.
>
>VEN CUP Love marriage. Things we are pleased with. Pleasant
>company or social activities. Marital happiness. Pleasant
>company.
>Peaceful society or associations.
>
>The Moon is in a 5th harmonic (quintile) to Mars and in a
>7th Harmonic (triseptile) with the Sun
>
>SUN MOO MAR Marriage, Wedlock. A marriage of reproduction.
>
>
...and blah, blah, blah.
How about giving the degrees along with your "pictures"?
I am curious to see what other mitigating factors might have been left out.
Grant
michael Jordan
>>Mundane
> >astrologers use
> >the time of the aspect which was 6:46:30 am Eastern Daylight
> >time, not the time of the rise for the aspect.
>
> Axel gave two different times, and the inquiry was directed towards a
> Washington DC event. At least I specified the time that I used, it would be
> useful for you to follow that example and supply the pertinent data that you
> used. then such misunderstandings could be avoided.
I'm doing mundane astrology in the methods of Donald Bradley. I merely took the two dates which Axel provided and did the Mundane
chart . and used the rising time to approximate the time period in which the effect would be most strongly felt in Washington, DC
which is why I suspect that Axel provided it because I know that he is very familiar with these methods which I am using.
If you are old enough to remember, you will remember the Lunation done in the manner which I used here on each and every cover of
American Astrology for 30 or more years. This was the basis for the mundane predictions which Donald Bradley aka (Garth Allen)
used.
> >So at the partile moment of Jupiter's
> >opposition of Pluto, the three planets Neptune, Jupiter,
> >and Pluto were in
> >the following positions of three coordinates:
> >
> > Jupiter Neptune Pluto
> >Midheaven 48e 75w 131w
> Now this is where you lose me and others. What positions (degrees) are you
> referring to?
The degrees are the degrees of the great circles of longitude on the third rock from the sun. They are taken from the tabulation of
the astrocartography positions in Astrolog for the time of the opposition of Pluto and Jupiter.
For example: 48 east is the longitude of the oil fields north of the Persian Gulf. 131 West is the westernmost established oil
field in Canada's Yukon Territory. 75 West is the center of the Eastern corridor of power of the western hemisphere.
Mundane astrologers generally abstain from using geodetics and other more esoteric methods relying instead on the actual
astronomical opposition and the alignment of the planets with respect to the earth. I don't know of any successful mundane
astrologer who uses a rulership book for predicting mundane events in the manner which you propose.
> Of the three possible solutions
> JU+NE-PL = 128:47 opposes NE
> JU+PL-NE = 20:33
> NE+PL-JU =128:47 opposes NE
I am not interested in exploring all of the numerous possible midpoint positions which may be constructed around the axis of the
opposition of Jupiter and Pluto because with near and far and direct and indirect you can make any kind of planetary picture you
want to justify anything that you want to evangelize. If you are going to use midpoints like that you might as well get serious and
include the mean point (tripoint) of (jup + nep + plu)/3 = 3 Capricorn and near the conjunction of Mars, and build planetary trees
around that as well.
Then if you go that far you would be remiss not to include the encadrements of :
Jupiter: Saturn and Node Separations of agreements by the Arabs and their oil field output prices.
Neptune: Mars and Uranus. Suddenly explosive environment in Washington surrounding the energy policy in Washington. Energy policy
going the wrong direction. A deliberate slaughter by way of planned accidents. Wasted energy.
Pluto: Mars and Moon: Emotionally excessive multiplicative development. Public works planning and development. Budgeting for the
family and the household.
Since every exact aspect acts on the whole aries world zodiacal matrix then Mars at the winter solstice is directly involved in the
jupiter pluto opposition giving an interim victory for the oil rich interests of the Cheney- Bush Administration. The American
people lose and California who did not vote for the BC ticket loses, and in the not so long run America gets a depression like the
30'S.
California at some point will start to withhold food from the rest of the silly bunch who voted this bushleague gang in. Imagine $5
Dollars for a tomato and $20 dollars for an artichoke. We'll just stop exporting food to the rest of the country until the energy
prices come down to something reasonable. It could get really interesting when "foot and mouth" and "mad cow" hit the Texas
stockyards and vegetables are the only game in town.
Wake up America and start fighting this illegitimate government now before it gets really ugly.
There are 40 Million registered citizens in California and we are not going to be easy to take down. If you want to eat then you
are going to have to do the right thing and impeach Bush now!
--
Mike at as...@lmi.net
gygyuu
>> Of the three possible solutions
>> JU+NE-PL = 128:47 opposes NE
>> JU+PL-NE = 20:33
>> NE+PL-JU =128:47 opposes NE
> I am not interested in exploring all of the numerous possible midpoint
positions
> which may be constructed around the axis of the
> opposition of Jupiter and Pluto because with near and far and direct and
indirect
> you can make any kind of planetary picture you
> want to justify anything that you want to evangelize.
These are not Midpoints; they are called Sensitive Points, and they are
part of the canon which you seem to extol.
The Sensitive Points are calculated; they are not made up. A true Uranian
astrologer uses all of the sensitive points and lets them fall where they
may, without any prejudgment.
The Mean Point is not part of the Uranian/Cosmobiology canon. This is an
example of "... you can make any kind of planetary picture you want to
justify anything that you want ...".
It seems that part of my previous post was omitted.
The part that verifies that I "...am [not] remiss ...", and contradicts the
statement "If you are going to use midpoints like that you might as well get
serious...".
[quote]
================
Here, there is an error of omission because around the 15:10 (16th
harmonic) MC/NE midpoint are other sensitive points which modify your dire
prognostication ... (since we are dealing with *exact* values, I include
15:12 = SU+MA-JU: A man happy in his activity. The fiancé. The victorious
one.
15:12 = SU+MA-PL: The man who makes plans. To plan one's own work or job.
To
carry on several jobs at the same time.
(all quotes per Witte)
========================
[end quote]
> Since every exact aspect acts on the whole aries world zodiacal matrix
then Mars at the
> winter solstice is directly involved in the jupiter pluto opposition
giving an interim victory
> for the oil rich interests of the Cheney- Bush Administration. The
American
> people lose and California who did not vote for the BC ticket loses, and
in the not so long
> run America gets a depression like the 30'S.
============================================================================
==
The JU PL opposition --
JU=PL 5/6/2001 May 6, 2001 6:46:30
-4:00:00
White House, Washington DC 77 W 02 38 N 53 UT: 10:47:00 JD:
2452035.948958333
360º Horoscope Harmonic: 16
306:34 = MC 14:04 = MC
0:00 = AR 0:00 = AR
45:58 = SU 0:58 = SU
58:01 = AS 13:01 = AS
211:36 = MO 9:06 = MO
97:33 = NO 7:33 = NO
60:29 = ME 15:29 = ME
6:01 = VE 6:01 = VE
268:54 = MA 21:24 = MA
74:40 = JU 7:10 = JU
61:54 = SA 16:54 = SA
324:37 = UR 9:37 = UR
308:47 = NE 16:17 = NE
254:40 = PL 7:10 = PL
207:31 = VX 5:01 = VX
148:33 = MP 13:33 = MP
*********** ***********
As for Mars, I see PL involved beneficly with Jupiter...
21:21 = AR+VE-JU: Bliss.
21:21 = JU+JU-ME: Joy. Loquaciousness.
21:21 = JU+PL-ME: Thoughts, communications & news over a fortunate change
or
transformation.
21:21 = MC+SA-UR: WASHINGTON -- Excitement & sorrow caused by opponents &
hindrances.
To cause sudden sorrows & separations. Suddenly appearing
sadness, to cause sudden. separations.
21:22 = AR+VE-PL: General harmonious development.
21:23 = MA+PL-JU: Plans bring or should bring good fortune & happiness.
Plans
carried thru successfully.
21:24 = MA : Activity, energy. Vocation, military. The urge to
accomplish.
21:24 = MA+JU-PL: Inception of betrothal or fortunate activity. Successful
build-up. Several competitors.
21:24 = SU+NO-UR: To be connected suddenly with events. Physical excitement
thru connections.
21:27 = AR+AS-MC: WASHINGTON -- The influences of the place on the
professional position.
Business connections.
=================
[all citations per Witte. No speculations by me.]
Regards,
G
Mike
> MJK responds to GGW's:
>
> >> Of the three possible solutions
> >> JU+NE-PL = 128:47 opposes NE
> >> JU+PL-NE = 20:33
> >> NE+PL-JU =128:47 opposes NE
>
> part of the canon which you seem to extol.
or Arabic Parts? It is not my canon but instead a canard.
>
> The Sensitive Points are calculated; they are not made up. A true Uranian
> astrologer uses all of the sensitive points and lets them fall where they
> may, without any prejudgment.
>
> The Mean Point is not part of the Uranian/Cosmobiology canon. This is an
> example of "... you can make any kind of planetary picture you want to
> justify anything that you want ...".
I am not a Uranian/Cosmobiologist Astrologer any more than I am a Sun
Sign astrologer. I pick and choose methodology (not data) Mr.
Weisbrot, according to the task at hand. There is an interesting
piece on this subject which was written by one of our esteemed posters
here "The Unity of Harmonics, Aspects, Antiscions, Midpoints and Other
Mean Points." by Axel Harvey 1973 Astrological Journal. I wish that
it was available in print. Perhaps he can help out and post it
somewhere, as it was short and a very clear and rigorous examination
of the unity of substance that underlies various methods of
mathematical manipulation of points in a circle.
A mid-point *IS* a meanpoint of two points.
Any group of points can be mathematically reduced to a point which
quantitatively is defined by their positional average and which is
qualitatively defined by their integrated combined qualities. Back in
the early seventies I proposed the Composite Point which was the
average of all the planets in the chart.
A mean point (as shown by Axel Harvey in 1973) which involved three
planets was the equivalent of the midpoints of the three planets, and
then the midpoints of the midpoints of the three planets.
given three planets:
a = 0 degrees
b = 60 degrees
c = 90 degrees
yielding midpoints:
(0+60)/2 = 30
(0+90)/2 = 45
(60+90)/2 = 75
yielding the midpoints of those midpoints:
(30+45)/2 = 37.5
(30+75)/2 = 52.5
(45+75)/2 = 60.0
yielding the midpoints of those midpoints:
(37.5+52.5)/2 = 45.0
(37.5+60.0)/2 = 48.75
(52.5+60.0)/2 = 56.25
yielding the midpoints of those midpoints:
(45.0 + 48.75)/2 = 46.875
(45.0 + 56.25)/2 = 50.625
(48.75 + 56.25)/2 = 52.5
yielding the midpoints of those midpoints:
(46.875+50.625)/2 = 48.75
(46.875+52.5)/2 = 49.6875
(50.625+52.5 = 51.5625
yielding the midpoints of those midpoints:
(48.75 +49.6875)/2 = 49.2188
(48.75 +51.8125)/2 = 50.1563
(49.6875+51.5625)/2 = 50.625
Carrying out these calculations they get closer and closer to 50.0 for
all three midpoints of midpoints of midpoints etc., etc.
What Axel showed was that this is the same as calculating a mean point
taking the original 0 degree+60 degrees +90 degrees =150 degrees and
then simply dividing by 3 to get the midpoint of all the midpoints.
This was called the mean point by Axel and was proven to have a real
basis in midpoint theory AND planetary pictures. Even the great
German astrologers missed this but Axel found it.
Mean points can have any number of components and they represent a
point of mathematical resolution of those same points. Once you
understand their basis you can start to use them. They work very
well.
The rest of your post was somewhat rife with picture hunting using
every planet in the chart to back some idea or another. I didn't
follow it. I guess I am like poor King Ludwig who thought that there
were too many notes to make out the music. Reading that list of
planetary pictures and sensitive points was like white noise to me.
For me the confusion of so many contradictory interpretations
generated using 22.5 and even the 11.25 degree aspects creates new
levels of confusion.
I'll stick with my prime numbers 1,2,3,5,7,11,13 etc
and pass on the 4,6,8,9,10,12,14,15,16,etc. I don't at all agree with
the German Schools of Astrology in their adherance to the hard aspects
and their reliance on dials 90, 45, 22,5, 11.25. I look upon it as
just so much extra busywork.
Mike