Notice to all Independents
car...@my-deja.com
Gohonzons inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin.There is no sect to join.
These are not the same as those provided by Bruce or Mark of Kempon
although theirs are very beautiful.These are for Independents who wish
to chant daimoku to a gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin.
They are not available through us to active sgi members There seems to
be confusion on the part of sgi members regarding chanting to a gohonzon
inscribed by Nichiren. We return all gohonzons sent to us to their
original source ie Nikkan inscribed Gohonzons are returned to the Temple
and Nichikan are returned to SGI.We do not give the names of the people
returning them we simply return them in the same respectfull manner in
which they were given and this can be verified as it has already been
done.You can access us through Nichirens Coffee House an interfaith
site.
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Christopher H. Holte
That's my Lady!!!!!!
I'm not ready to join you yet, but you have my sympathy and support.
And may you be a refuge for people who wish to practice True Buddhism
without animosity, anger and the hell that comes from conflict, or
following persons, priests, or others who are using Buddhism for their
own ends rather than "tirelessly preaching among the people".
In article <7q6fh4$q7s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
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Cody in Spain
Christopher H. Holte <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
> Dear Carmen;
> That's my Lady!!!!!!
Do we have a budding romance here?
> I'm not ready to join you yet, but you have my sympathy and support.
Another SGI shipmate is considering jumping the sinking ship.
> And may you be a refuge for people who wish to practice True Buddhism
> without animosity, anger and the hell that comes from conflict, or
> following persons, priests, or others who are using Buddhism for their
> own ends rather than "tirelessly preaching among the people".
Yep, the solution is to form you own, "independent" group and turn your back
on the religion that brought you the Gohonzon.
<sigh>
Cody
dc
<sigh>
Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Yeah it is called "self-worship." Ikeda does it, why not Chris? It comes
from a basic misundersting of thing. First, they believe that because
Buddhism is universal that there should be no "sect." But they start a sect
nevertheless. Now of course the same thing has happened many times before
in Buddhist history. What is Zen? It still becames a sect and then many
sects.
Nichiren Shoshu is a sect but it is not a personality cult. Carmen will of
course inadvertently start a personality cult she will everntually flee
from.
(Chris will start a no-personality cult...and he will eventually return to
True Buddhism. Maybe Carmen will too when she stops making silly
distinctions and realize what causation really is.)
d
Jesus H. Christ
came:
Ultimately, this will have to mutate into The Sect That Dare Not Speak Its
Name.<shudder>
T.
Jumbo 3D
Friend To Those Who Want No Friends
The book you don't read won't help you.
Remove KILLSPAM when replying via e-mail.
dc
>
>Cody<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
>Yeah it is called "self-worship." Ikeda does it, why not Chris? It comes
>from a basic misundersting of thing. First, they believe that because
>Buddhism is universal that there should be no "sect." But they start a
sect
>nevertheless. Now of course the same thing has happened many times before
>in Buddhist history. What is Zen? It still becames a sect and then many
>sects.
>
>Nichiren Shoshu is a sect but it is not a personality cult. Carmen will
of
>course inadvertently start a personality cult she will everntually flee
>from.
>
>(Chris will start a no-personality cult...and he will eventually return to
>True Buddhism. Maybe Carmen will too when she stops making silly
>distinctions and realize what causation really is.)
Ultimately, this will have to mutate into The Sect That Dare Not Speak Its
Name.<shudder>
T.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Thats hilarious....good one.
We'll have to make special symbol for them
One of my nonsensical hig bandwidth binaries.
BIG BANDWIDTH BINARIES INC.
Presents the Independent Sectless sect. They communicate through cell
phones and pocket pager and Windows CE. They have large Rave partys and
have a gojukai ceremony using suits rented from the Rainbow Costume Store.
dc
Operation D
>The American Independent Movement has now aquired several different
>Gohonzons inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin.
>These are for Independents who wish
>to chant daimoku to a gohonzon inscribed by Nichiren Daishonin.
>They are not available through us to active sgi members
a thousand SGI paid leaders breath a huge sigh of relief
Operation D
wrote:
>Dear Carmen;
> That's my Lady!!!!!!
> I'm not ready to join you yet, but you have my sympathy and support.
and you wonder why Kathy won't let you into the "crush the evil danto" meeting !
P
dc
P<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Carmen! Stop doing this. It's a terrible mistake. Come back to the
religion. Work out the karma the correct way, or it will keep repeating.
dc
dc
religion. Work out the karma the correct way, or it will keep repeating.
dc<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
When you first joined Nichirne Shoshu this lifetime, you had JUST expiated
the karma of leaving Nichiren Shoshu and starting the "Independents," of
another age. That is the karma repeating. Karma is like wind blowing you
into certain choices like this, you must recognize and not repeat anymore.
dc
Cult Watcher International
That Dare Not Speak Its Name.
>>>Thats hilarious....good one.
We'll have to make special symbol for them
One of my nonsensical hig bandwidth binaries.
BIG BANDWIDTH BINARIES INC. >>>
C'mon you guys- If you knew Carmen you wouldn't pick on her so much.
She is dead set against SGI's militant harassment campaigns,
and she is for freedom of religion. I know her very well and
I can say that all in all she is an honest person. We don't agree doctrinally
but at least she maintains a peaceful practice, and she is not a militant asshole
like the SGI.
Craig
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Jesus H. Christ
pounded on a keyboard, and out came:
>
>
>>>>Ultimately, this will have to mutate into The Sect
>That Dare Not Speak Its Name.
>T.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>>>>Thats hilarious....good one.
>We'll have to make special symbol for them
>One of my nonsensical hig bandwidth binaries.
>BIG BANDWIDTH BINARIES INC. >>>
>
>C'mon you guys- If you knew Carmen you wouldn't pick on her so much.
>She is dead set against SGI's militant harassment campaigns,
>and she is for freedom of religion. I know her very well and
>I can say that all in all she is an honest person. We don't agree doctrinally
>but at least she maintains a peaceful practice, and she is not a militant
>asshole
>like the SGI.
>
>Craig
Alright, Carmen and her "American Indpendents" group may dislike the current
Gakkai hate campaign, but are we to just sit back and let them drift off and
form another heretical "sectless sect" however "sincere" they may be?
We have to try to bring them back Home to Nichiren Shoshu. Gently, yes, without
enagaging in animosity, but FIRMLY, as a parent would bring a wayward child
away from destructive behaviour.
Tim
dc
That Dare Not Speak Its Name.
T.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>>Thats hilarious....good one.
We'll have to make special symbol for them
One of my nonsensical hig bandwidth binaries.
BIG BANDWIDTH BINARIES INC. >>>
C'mon you guys- If you knew Carmen you wouldn't pick on her so much.
She is dead set against SGI's militant harassment campaigns,
and she is for freedom of religion. I know her very well and
I can say that all in all she is an honest person. We don't agree
doctrinally
but at least she maintains a peaceful practice, and she is not a militant
asshole
like the SGI.
Craig<<<<<<<<<<<<<
But she needs to come back to Nichiren Shoshu. This is Carmen Thielman
isn't it? I always thought she had terrific spirit, i knew her along time
ago, but I hope to hear she returns to Nichiren Shoshu instead of starting
her own sect. This splintering has got to stop.
dc
Jesus H. Christ
dc
thats that!.
:)
Okay Carmen?
dc
>
>>>>Ultimately, this will have to mutate into The Sect
>That Dare Not Speak Its Name.
>T.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>>>>Thats hilarious....good one.
>We'll have to make special symbol for them
>One of my nonsensical hig bandwidth binaries.
>BIG BANDWIDTH BINARIES INC. >>>
>
>C'mon you guys- If you knew Carmen you wouldn't pick on her so much.
>She is dead set against SGI's militant harassment campaigns,
>and she is for freedom of religion. I know her very well and
>I can say that all in all she is an honest person. We don't agree
doctrinally
>but at least she maintains a peaceful practice, and she is not a militant
>asshole
>like the SGI.
>
>Craig
Alright, Carmen and her "American Indpendents" group may dislike the current
Gakkai hate campaign, but are we to just sit back and let them drift off and
form another heretical "sectless sect" however "sincere" they may be?
We have to try to bring them back Home to Nichiren Shoshu. Gently, yes,
without
enagaging in animosity, but FIRMLY, as a parent would bring a wayward child
away from destructive behaviour.
Tim
dc
ink starts to dry on the page.
dc
Stephen C. Schwichow
> So...we are ALL in agreement! Carmen comes back to Nichiren Shoshu! And
> thats that!.
> :)
>
> Okay Carmen?
>
> dc
Now dc, why would she want to do that when she's got access to authentic
Nichiren inscribed mandalas?
Stephen
Operation D
wrote:
it's not just a pretty pattern Steven. The Daishonin said that he inscribed his
life in sumi (and lives don't copy on Xeroxes).
P
dc
> So...we are ALL in agreement! Carmen comes back to Nichiren Shoshu! And
> thats that!.
> :)
>
> Okay Carmen?
>
> dc
Now dc, why would she want to do that when she's got access to authentic
Nichiren inscribed mandalas?
Stephen<<<<<<<<<<<<
Anyone can find photos of Nichiren Gohonzons and copy them all day a nd all
night, but they are just pictures of Gohonzons, copies. When a Gohonzon
actually manifests from KU, it must be connected to the living essence of
Buddhism, otherwise it is no differnt then the proverbial cocktail napkin.
dc
John Timothy Hall
Pathetic
--
Ecology: the last fad.
dc
Pathetic<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
John H expects the Supreme Mandala to appear in his mind. And he will
achieve the Supreme Samadhi, But it will only be an inner transient castle
and he'll find he has to go the distance. Really Living Breathing People
tranmit the law of cause and effect, not imaginary beings or isolated monks.
If you cannot remember the past and how you already, tried to avoid True
Buddhism, and you already denounced Zen or any of the theoretical teachings
up to the Hoben Chapter of the Lotus Sutra, and you already promised to
unite with the single sect of True Buddhism and you later wavored in that
vow and slandered the Votary of the Lotus Sutra.
You forgot the name for the fabric of your life. And you forgot your own
promise you made in a single, very central moment, of existence.
Instead you call it "Pathetic."
The Lotus Sutra tells the story of the tired travelers who had to be tricked
into thinking the goal was the "Transient city," likerwise they were taught
the teachings of nirvana as the goal of enlightenment. The travelers were
exhausted from their trip so the Wise man let them rest in the Transient
City, for a while. Then after awhile, the wise man, shocked them all by
telling them that there was another goal, and this new goal was not a
transient city, but a real city.
This story comes from the flow of Buddhism and exists in the Chapter of the
Transient City. The meaning is clear. People have to stop the bad
behaviors for there to be world peace. It is no mystery, The only way to
do that is to practice in unity together and develop a culture that
overcomes all suffering. The forces of nature within the human being
detyermine the ferttility of soil and harmony in the earth and weather, the
rhythm of the entire environment as well as every place withn the inner
cosmos. Our own True manifestaion of Buddhahood, cannot really proceed
until we try to unite to achieve the propagation of Kosen Rufu so we have to
practice.
It's just cause and effect, John. No way around it.
dc
John Petry
> On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:24:44 -0700, "Stephen C. Schwichow" <schw...@metro.net>
> wrote:
>
> >dc wrote:
> >
> >> So...we are ALL in agreement! Carmen comes back to Nichiren Shoshu! And
> >> thats that!.
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Okay Carmen?
> >>
> >> dc
> >
> >Now dc, why would she want to do that when she's got access to authentic
> >Nichiren inscribed mandalas?
> >
> >Stephen
>
> it's not just a pretty pattern Steven. The Daishonin said that he inscribed his
> life in sumi (and lives don't copy on Xeroxes).
>
> P
Well no, that isn't actually what he said and it doesn't mean what you seem to
think it means either.
Christopher H. Holte
Why would the Independants want to join with you folks? You not only
aren't any better, but your priests have put out rediculous documents
like document QA56 which justify altering Gosho -- if it is done by a
High Priest. I know that if you could convince me (you can't but SGI
could) that SGI is evil, I would join her group in a second. Why would
I want to join a heretical sect -- especially one that claims to be the
"one true faith".
In article <19990829001936...@ng-ff1.aol.com>,
jum...@aol.comKILLSPAM (Jesus H. Christ) wrote:
> On 8/28/99 10:32 PM EDT C...@jamthespam.cebunet.com (Cult Watcher
International)
> pounded on a keyboard, and out came:
>
> >
> >
--
Christopher H. Holte
In article <37c91819...@news.virgin.net>,
ip.c...@virgin.net (Operation D ) wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:24:44 -0700, "Stephen C. Schwichow"
<schw...@metro.net>
> wrote:
>
> >dc wrote:
> >
> >> So...we are ALL in agreement! Carmen comes back to Nichiren
Shoshu! And
> >> thats that!.
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Okay Carmen?
> >>
> >> dc
> >
> >Now dc, why would she want to do that when she's got access to
authentic
> >Nichiren inscribed mandalas?
> >
> >Stephen
>
> it's not just a pretty pattern Steven. The Daishonin said that he
inscribed his
> life in sumi (and lives don't copy on Xeroxes).
>
> P
>
How about Offset Printers? (You folks use a printing process for your
Gohonzon).
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Holte</a>
Christopher H. Holte
"dc" <rial...@ojai.net> wrote:
> > Anyone can find photos of Nichiren Gohonzons and copy them all day
a Gohonzon actually manifests from KU, it must be connected to the
living essence of Buddhism, otherwise it is no differnt then the
proverbial cocktail napkin.
> >> > dc
The living essence meaning your HP?
There are severe logical problems here.
>John replied:
> Pathetic<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I tend to agree
> Then DC rebuts:
> John H expects the Supreme Mandala to appear in his mind. And he will
> achieve the Supreme Samadhi, But it will only be an inner transient
castle and he'll find he has to go the distance. Really Living
Breathing People tranmit the law of cause and effect, not imaginary
beings or isolated monks.
I thought you were a NST member DC. Your Isolated Monk is the HP, eh?
But I agree that only living breathing people can transmit the Law.
> If you cannot remember the past and how you already, tried to avoid
True Buddhism, and you already denounced Zen or any of the theoretical
teachings up to the Hoben Chapter of the Lotus Sutra, and you already
promised to unite with the single sect of True Buddhism and you later
wavored in that vow and slandered the Votary of the Lotus Sutra.
Your literal minded interpetations of the Lotus Sutra are really
trippy, but they make little sense out side of your fantasies. The
reason is that one has no obligation to follow false doctrines, and
this doctrine of the "essence" is in essence false.
>
> You forgot the name for the fabric of your life. And you forgot your
own promise you made in a single, very central moment, of existence.
>
> Instead you call it "Pathetic."
That argument of yours is what is pathetic DC. The role we promised to
fulfil was the role of Bodhissattvas of the earth, to spread and
proclaim the Lotus Sutra in the Evil Later day of the Law. We made no
promise to follow ego-centric doctrines or priests.
....and the following is even worse!
> The Lotus Sutra tells the story of the tired travelers who had to be
tricked into thinking the goal was the "Transient city," likerwise
they were taught the teachings of nirvana as the goal of
enlightenment. The travelers were exhausted from their trip so the
Wise man let them rest in the Transient City, for a while. Then after
awhile, the wise man, shocked them all by telling them that there was
another goal, and this new goal was not a transient city, but a real
city.
>
> This story comes from the flow of Buddhism and exists in the Chapter
of the Transient City. The meaning is clear. People have to stop the
bad behaviors for there to be world peace. It is no mystery, The
only way to do that is to practice in unity together and develop a
culture that overcomes all suffering. The forces of nature within the
human being determine the ferttility of soil and harmony in the earth
and weather, the rhythm of the entire environment as well as every
place withn the inner cosmos. Our own True manifestaion of Buddhahood,
cannot really proceed until we try to unite to achieve the propagation
of Kosen Rufu so we have to practice.>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
Paul Wersant has a quote from the Ongi Kuden in which the "Transient
City" is the heretical sects that people cling to provisionally on
their journey to enlightenment. The transient city is not a fraud, but
an expedient means. People would give up and even perish if they did
not find a place to stop on their way to enlightenment. Material
Benefits, transcendent seeming moments, even "heretical religions" are
all "Transient cities" that exist for the sake of moving us along the
path of spiritual development. "Dissolving the Transient city" means to
once again reveal the transient nature of reality and the fragility and
impermanence of our earthly existence. The real awakening occurs when
the Transient City is dissolved and we begin to rely on the Law flower
Sutra and the Buddha (our Guide) and strive diligently to achieve
actual Annokutara Sanmyaku Sanbodai or real enlightenment. Your
explaination of the transient city was incoherent.
> It's just cause and effect, John. No way around it.
That is true DC, and if you are going to explain it you need to go back
to basics. It's been too easy for me to debate with you lately.
Cody in Spain
Christopher H. Holte <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
> Why would the Independants want to join with you folks? You not only
> aren't any better, but your priests have put out rediculous documents
> like document QA56 which justify altering Gosho -- if it is done by a
> High Priest. I know that if you could convince me (you can't but SGI
> could) that SGI is evil, I would join her group in a second. Why would
> I want to join a heretical sect -- especially one that claims to be the
> "one true faith".
Oops, Chris has forgotten his Gojukai vows. It's a long slide into hell,
Chris.
Cody
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
Christopher H. Holte <lio...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <QJjy3.1026$Dj2....@monger.newsread.com>,
> "dc" <rial...@ojai.net> wrote:
> > > Anyone can find photos of Nichiren Gohonzons and copy them all day
> and all night, but they are just pictures of Gohonzons, copies. When
> a Gohonzon actually manifests from KU, it must be connected to the
> living essence of Buddhism, otherwise it is no differnt then the
> proverbial cocktail napkin.
> > >> > dc
> And your scriptural proof is?_________________________?
"Opening the Eyes of Wooden and Painted Images" Gosho.
> The living essence meaning your HP?
> There are severe logical problems here.
"The principle of the great significance of the lifeblood and the
object of worship are the documents transmitted from Nichiren to each
of the successive Head Priests, and are the bequeathal received by only
a single person, indicating the bequeathal inside the Treasure Tower of
Taho Buddha." Honnin-myo Sho [On the Mystic Principle of the Original
Cause], Shinpen, p. 1684
"I have appointed Byakuren Ajari Nikko as the So-kanzu, the General
Chief Priest, and transfer the entirety and every detail of the true
doctrine of Nichiren. The top senior Priests down to every disciple
must regard each of the successive High Priests transferred from Nikko
to each in succession to be the So-kanzu, General Chief Priest, without
any opposition as in this time for throughout eternity in the future."
Nichiren Daishonin, "On the One-Hundred and Six Articles"
Gosho Zenshu, p. 869
"both the Treasure of the Buddha and the treasure of the Law are
**invariably** perpetuated by **Priests** . . . Even though Buddhism
existed, without the Priests who studied it and passed it on, it would
never have been transmitted throughout the 2000 years of the Former &
Middle Days into the Latter Day of the Law." MW-5, p. 11
"The scholars in the world today cannot understand this because they
have not learned the transmission of the Heritage."
Nichiren Daishonin, "Rissho Kansho," Shimpen, p. 770
"This Heritage and the essential matters of the Gohonzon are documents
of the transmission of the Law from Nichiren to the successive Master
of the Seat of the Law. They concern the transmission bestowed at the
treasure tower, the transmission of the Heritage of the Law exclusively
from one to the next."
Nichiren Daishonin, "Hon'ninmyo Sho," Gosho Zenshu, p. 887
"This transmission is the oral transmission from Nichiren to one
legitimate disciple, the secret transmission entrusted to only one
person."
"Ubuyo Sojo Ji," Transmission Concerning the First Bath, Shimpen,
p. 1710
"The successive Shonin are all, without exception, Nichiren."
Nichiren Daishonin, quoted by Nikko Shonin, "Seven Teachings on
the Gohonzon Transmitted from Master to Disciple," Fuji Shugaku
Yoshu, Vol. 1, p. 32; Nichiren Shoshu Seiten, p. 379
"Everyone appears to believe sincerely when he first embraces the Lotus
Sutra, but as time passes, he tends to become less devout; he no longer
reveres nor serves the Priest and arrogantly forms distorted views.
This is most frightening."
Letter to Niike Gosho
"The bestowal of the Entity of the Law: The Daishonin's teachings
state:
"This passage is the secret passage, 'only between Buddhas...' This is
a doctrine that must not be spoken about lightly. This is the secret
passage about the bestowal of phenomena of the ten worlds and the three
thousand realms with a single word."
Shimpen, p. 1860
"One cannot master this sutra if one has not recieved the transmission."
Nichiren Daishonin, "Ichidai Shokyo Tai'i," Shimpen, p. 92
"Moreover, within this [transfer] there are two paths: the general and
the specific. If one transgresses between these two paths of the
general and the specific even in the least, one will be unable to even
think of
attaining Buddhahood, and will remain mired in an endless cycle of
birth and death."
"Admonitions Against Slander," Shimpen, p. 1039
"Bodhisattva Jogyo received the water of wisdom of the Mystic Law from
Shakyamuni Buddha to let it flow into the wasteland of the people's
lives in the Latter Day. This is the function of wisdom. Shakyamuni
entrusted this teaching to Bodhisattva Jogyo, and now Nichiren
propagates it in Japan. In general, this transfer was made to the
Bodhisattvas of the Earth, but specifically, to Bodhisattva Jogyo
himself. If you confuse the general with the specific even in the
slightest, you will never be able to attain enlightenment and will
wander through endless lifetimes of suffering."
"Admonitions Against Slander," MW-1, pp. 163-166; Shimpen, p. 1039
"No matter what, be close to the priest who knows the heart of the
Lotus Sutra, keep learning from him the truth of Buddhism and continue
your journey of faith."
MW-1, p. 255
"The sutra explains that people in the Latter Day of the Law will be
arrogant, though their knowledge of Buddhism is trifling, and will show
disrespect for the Priest, neglect the law and thereby fall into the
evil paths. If one truly understands Buddhism, he should show this in
his respect for the Priest, reverence for the Law and offering
to the Buddha. Shakyamuni is not among us now, so you must respect the
person with enlightened wisdom as you would the Buddha himself. If you
sincerely follow him, your blessings will be bountiful. If one wishes
for happiness in his next existence, he should renounce his desire for
fame and fortune and respect the Priest who teaches the Lotus Sutra as
a Living Buddha, no matter how humble that Priest's station. Thus it is
written in the sutra."
MW-1, p. 260
"The Hosshi sutra states in essence, 'The blessing obtained by making
offerings to a Priest who teaches the Lotus Sutra are even greater than
the blessings obtained by offering incalculable treasures to the Buddha
for eight billion kalpas. And if one could hear him teaching this sutra
for even a moment, he shall experience delight at the great benefit he
has obtained.' "
MW-3, p. 209
"The Buddhas of the Three Existences and the lives of the successive
High Priests since the Daishonin, passes through the procedural
masters, so set your heart firmly upon the master and believe."
9th High Priest Nichiu Shonin, On Formalities, Rekidai Hossu Zenshu,
vol. 1, p. 341
"The formal teachers have been installed according to the instructions
of the Buddhas of the Three Existences, that is, the successive High
Priests since Nichiren Daishonin. Therefore, these teachers have been
decided
upon very carefully and faith must be placed in them. In addition, my
disciples must believe in me in the same manner. When this occurs, both
I and they will become the body and mind of Myoho Renge Kyo. We will
become
complete Buddhas. This is called, attaining Buddhahood with this very
body."
9th High Priest Nichiu Shonin, On Formalities, Rekidai Hossu Zenshu,
vol. 1, p. 341
"I offer my sincere devotion to Nikko Shonin, the primary High Priest
of the ten thousand years of Mappo and the founder of the Head Temple
Taisekiji. I offer my sincere devotion to the High Priest Nichimoku
Shonin,
the master of the seat of the Law and to each of the successive High
Priests to whom the Law is transmitted. In this way, one should single-
mindedly chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and fix one's mind on the Three
Treasures,
fingering the prayer beads."
26th High Priest, Nichikan Shonin
"The Taisekiji school is the denomination which recieved its
transmission from the Daishonin, so the followers of this school must
be sufficiently versed in the Gosho. The doctrines in the depths of the
Gosho are handed
down by the successive High Priests, the great principles of those
teachings must be learned from a teacher, and the disciples must not
even for a moment adhere to their own views."
66th High Priest Nittatsu Shonin, Nichiren Shoshu Monthly
"In the final analysis, faith, heritage and the water of the Law are
one and the same. Through faith, the believer receives the water of
the Law from the Original Buddha. The water of the Law thus received
flows within
the believer's life, just as blood circulates within the human body.
For this reason, to convey the water of the Law through faith is to
transmit the heritage. Therefore, faith should never be disturbed or
shaken. If it is disturbed, the water of the Law will cease to flow.
Or, even, if it continues to run, it will become defiled and irregular,
thus cutting off the flow of Buddhism itself. As long as faith remains
unshaken, the pure and immaculate heritage of Buddhism will continue
to flow with vigor, not matter how many ages may pass."
"Commentary on the Kegi Sho," 59th High Priest Nichiko Hori
"We, ourselves, cannot produce the Gohonzon. Since it's the enlightened
entity of Nichiren Daishonin no one has the authority other than the
successive High Priests who have been the sole heirs to the Heritage of
the True Law. We take no part in this. Therefore, the objects of
worship inscribed by those in the Butsuryu and Minobu factions [of the
Nichiren sect] are absolutely powerless. They are worthless because
they are fake. In fact, they contain the power of evil spirits. That is
why they are dangerous."
Josei Toda, Daibyaku Renge, 98, p. 98
"We conduct the third prayer to express our deepest appreciation to
Nichiren Daishonin, the Buddha of the Latter Day of the Law. In this
third silent prayer, we also offer our gratitude to Nikko Shonin, the
second High Priest and the founder of Taisekiji. Further, we offer our
appreciation to the third High Priest, Nichimoku Shonin, and all the
successive High Priests of Nichiren Shoshu, each of whom transmitted
the Heritage of the Law to the next. Presently, as you know, the 67th
high priest, Nikken Shonin, has INHERITED THE LAW. Now he is the master
of true Buddhism."
Daisaku Ikeda, Buddhism in Action, vol. 1, p. 107
"Members of the Minobu school of the Nichiren sect chant daimoku. They
have the Gosho. Their recitation of the sutra also includes the Hoben
and Juryo chapters. And, in the Shoshinkai, which consists of ex-
priests of
Nichiren Shoshu, the portions of the sutra they recite and the daimoku
that they chant are identical to the practice we observe. Though their
religion may seem the same as ours, they lack the single, unbroken
Heritage of the
Law recieved directly from Nichiren Daishonin. If one's faith is not
based on this line of inheritance, it is worthless to embrace any
Gohonzon, for no benefit will be forthcoming. That is to say, 'Without
the lifeblood of faith, it
would be useless to embrace the Lotus Sutra.'"
Daisaku Ikeda, Buddhism in Action, vol. 3, p. 254
"The fundamental principle of Nichiren Shoshu is the Heritage of the
Law transmitted to a sole person. It is, indeed, the correct objective
for both Priesthood and laity to follow the High Priest who has
received this Heritage of the Law. If we err on this single point,
everything will crumble. The Soka Gakkai has followed the successive
High Priests. I am confident, therefore, that we will absolutely
prosper for eternity."
Daisaku Ikeda, Jan. 24, 1982, Soka Univ. gymnasium:
"Kofu to Jinsei Wo Kataru," vol. 3, p. 32
--
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
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car...@my-deja.com
"dc" <rial...@ojai.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:56:10 GMT, Christopher H. Holte
<lio...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Dear Carmen;
> > That's my Lady!!!!!!
> > I'm not ready to join you yet, but you have my sympathy and
support.
>
> and you wonder why Kathy won't let you into the "crush the evil danto"
> meeting !
>
> P<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
in that person.I assume you are referring to Kathy Ruby. I don't know
her nor do I refer to members of NST as the evil danto sect.All people
are equal in front of gohonzon and I do my best to try to view the
buddha nature in all people as difficult as that becomes at times.
>
> Carmen! Stop doing this. It's a terrible mistake. Come back to the
> religion. Work out the karma the correct way, or it will keep
repeating.
>
> dc
>
>
car...@my-deja.com
"dc" <rial...@ojai.net> wrote:
> Carmen! Stop doing this. It's a terrible mistake. Come back to the
> religion. Work out the karma the correct way, or it will keep
repeating.
>
> dc<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
enlightenment......No one can attain it for you. Our goals of attaining
enlightenment are the same,our views on how to do that are different.
> When you first joined Nichirne Shoshu this lifetime, you had JUST
expiated
> the karma of leaving Nichiren Shoshu and starting the "Independents,"
of
> another age. That is the karma repeating. Karma is like wind blowing
you
> into certain choices like this, you must recognize and not repeat
anymore.
>
car...@my-deja.com
Christopher H. Holte
Derek N.P.F. Juhl <djuhl...@aol.com> wrote:
> In article <7qe6sl$qbd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Christopher H. Holte <lio...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <QJjy3.1026$Dj2....@monger.newsread.com>,
> > "dc" <rial...@ojai.net> wrote:
> > > > Anyone can find photos of Nichiren Gohonzons and copy them all
>>>>day and all night, but they are just pictures of Gohonzons,
>>> copies. When
> > a Gohonzon actually manifests from KU, it must be connected to the
> > living essence of Buddhism, otherwise it is no differnt then the
> > proverbial cocktail napkin.
>> > dc
> > And your scriptural proof is?_________________________?
>
> "Opening the Eyes of Wooden and Painted Images" Gosho.
That Gosho doesn't prove your contention. It only proves the negative
contention that trying to open the eyes of a statue or painted image
with Shingon Rituals will have a negative effect. It doesn't indicate
that a HP has to do anything for a Gohonzon to "work".
>
> > The living essence meaning your HP?
> > There are severe logical problems here.
>
> "The principle of the great significance of the lifeblood and the
> object of worship are the documents transmitted from Nichiren to each
> of the successive Head Priests, and are the bequeathal received by
> only a single person, indicating the bequeathal inside the Treasure
> Tower of Taho Buddha." Honnin-myo Sho
> [On the Mystic Principle of the Original Cause], Shinpen, p. 1684
You have provided a document that is not in the Gosho Zenshu, that
sounds like something that could not have been written while the
Daishonin was still alive and is thus possibly in the same category as
the two transfer documents. For one thing when would Nichiren have
written about himself and successive HP's as he hadn't even appointed
one yet until his death bed? Very suspect source here.
>
> "I have appointed Byakuren Ajari Nikko as the So-kanzu, the General
> Chief Priest, and transfer the entirety and every detail of the true
> doctrine of Nichiren. The top senior Priests down to every disciple
> must regard each of the successive High Priests transferred from Nikko
> to each in succession to be the So-kanzu, General Chief Priest,
> without any opposition as in this time for throughout eternity in
> the future."
> Nichiren Daishonin, "On the One-Hundred and Six Articles"
> Gosho Zenshu, p. 869
The one hundred and six articles have been discussed on this news group
at length. Again the source is suspect and contradicts other teachings
of the Daishonin. He appointed 6 elder priests. Appointing Nikko as
chief priest of Minobu may have made sense, but such a line as "without
opposition" is contrary to Nichiren's own admonition about followin the
Law not the person and Nikko's admonition about not following even the
HP if he goes against Buddhism. Again smells like forgery given our
current state of knowledge about the self justifying nature of NST
doctrine (witness QA 56).
>
> "both the Treasure of the Buddha and the treasure of the Law are
> **invariably** perpetuated by **Priests** . . . Even though Buddhism
> existed, without the Priests who studied it and passed it on, it would
> never have been transmitted throughout the 2000 years of the Former &
> Middle Days into the Latter Day of the Law." MW-5, p. 11
>
This subject I have written at length on. The two words "invariably"
and "priests" have a very different meaning from the way you use them.
Perhaps someone who has studied the Kanji can discuss the real meaning
of the word. But as Ikeda said Nichiren rarely used the word priest
alone except in context of priests and followers. In the Ho'on Sho he
makes a similar pronouncement, and then goes on to pronounce what makes
a true priest and what makes a man no worthy of receiving alms. In the
Reply to Sairenbo he goes on in detail on the same subject. Even if he
deserves to be titled as a priest that still gives him title to
respect, but no more respect than all human beings deserve as
Bodhissattvas of the Earth and future Buddhas. Right now he passes
neither the "Fukyo Test" nor the "Sessen Doji Test".
> "The scholars in the world today cannot understand this because they
> have not learned the transmission of the Heritage."
> Nichiren Daishonin, "Rissho Kansho," Shimpen, p. 770
This Gosho would be nice if we had it to read. But if we are to judge
what the Daishonin is saying in context of other Gosho in which the
Daishonin speaks of how to inherit the teachings. Nichiren specifically
refutes the transmission of a heritage as "necessarilly" through direct
mentor disciple transfers. He made the answer a question. The scholars
of the world today (in 1279 or so) understood Jikaku and Chisho to have
inherited Dengyo's linneage, and so they rejected Nichiren's claim to
have a linneage through his direct relationship with the doctrines.
They truly did not understand the transmission of the heritage so they
insisted that the slanderous Chief priests of the Tendai Sect had the
correct lineage because of their direct line of succession from Dengyo.
>
> "This Heritage and the essential matters of the Gohonzon are documents
> of the transmission of the Law from Nichiren to the successive Master
> of the Seat of the Law. They concern the transmission bestowed at the
> treasure tower, the transmission of the Heritage of the Law
> exclusively from one to the next."
> Nichiren Daishonin, "Hon'ninmyo Sho," Gosho Zenshu, p. 887
This is from the same Gosho that looked so suspect earlier. Either it
is a bad translation, a crude forgery, or it is a Gosho written by
Nikko or a later priest. You've been quoting these untranslated works
for a while now, when do we get to read them?
>
> "This transmission is the oral transmission from Nichiren to one
> legitimate disciple, the secret transmission entrusted to only one
> person."
> "Ubuyo Sojo Ji," Transmission Concerning the First Bath, Shimpen,
> p. 1710
>
Oh goodness, the First Bath. ROFLMAO.
> "The successive Shonin are all, without exception, Nichiren."
> Nichiren Daishonin, quoted by Nikko Shonin, "Seven Teachings on
> the Gohonzon Transmitted from Master to Disciple," Fuji Shugaku
> Yoshu, Vol. 1, p. 32; Nichiren Shoshu Seiten, p. 379
When do we get to read Nikko's Gosho? Obviously, the teachings of
Nichiren Shoshu purport to be from Nikko as well as Nichiren and
Nichimoku, and naturally Nikko would have liked to have gotten control
over all the various folks following the Daishonin's Buddhism. He or a
later disciple had an incentive to say something like the above. It
would be nice to know if this is an original document or a purported
"copy".
>
> "Everyone appears to believe sincerely when he first embraces the
Lotus Sutra, but as time passes, he tends to become less devout; he no
longer reveres nor serves the Priest and arrogantly forms distorted
views. This is most frightening."
> Letter to Niike Gosho
Letter to Niike contains a lot of really useful things for Nichiren
Shoshu. However, the Priest here indicates Nichiren himself. He often
referred to himself as "the Priest who knows the Heart of the Lotus
Sutra". This wasn't just humbleness or coded speach, it was to serve an
important principle of Buddhism. A Boddhissattva has the mission to
serve the Law, and it is only by serving the Law that one can truly
manifest one's Buddha nature. That is why Buddha's are described as
having achieved "extinction". The extinction mentioned is the
extinction of "evil" desires. All persons have the Buddha Nature, but
for any person to start thinking they are Buddha's is to succumb to
arrogance and delusion.
>
> "The bestowal of the Entity of the Law: The Daishonin's teachings
> state:
>
> "This passage is the secret passage, 'only between Buddhas...' This
> is
> a doctrine that must not be spoken about lightly. This is the secret
> passage about the bestowal of phenomena of the ten worlds and the
> three thousand realms with a single word."
> Shimpen, p. 1860
Talking about Nam Myoho Renge Kyo not Nikken! And also making part of
the point I was just making about the arrogance of mistaking ourselves
as Buddhas incumbent, rather than possessing the Buddha Nature. When
and while we are chanting we experience that which can be shared only
"between Buddhas".
I just ran out of room on my browser so the rest will have to await
another day!
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dc
"dc" <rial...@ojai.net> wrote:
> > Anyone can find photos of Nichiren Gohonzons and copy them all day
and all night, but they are just pictures of Gohonzons, copies. When
a Gohonzon actually manifests from KU, it must be connected to the
living essence of Buddhism, otherwise it is no differnt then the
proverbial cocktail napkin.
> >> > dc
the writings of chang-an and Miao-lo, Dengyo, Nikko Shonin, the succession
of High priests.....all those people you think you no more then.
The living essence meaning your HP?<<<<<<<<<
Meaning that the High Priests are alive and breathing and they are in that
position of responsibility.
There are severe logical problems here.
>John replied:
> Pathetic<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I tend to agree
> Then DC rebuts:
> John H expects the Supreme Mandala to appear in his mind. And he will
> achieve the Supreme Samadhi, But it will only be an inner transient
castle and he'll find he has to go the distance. Really Living
Breathing People tranmit the law of cause and effect, not imaginary
beings or isolated monks.<<<<<<<<<<
Chris:
>>>>>>>I thought you were a NST member DC. Your Isolated Monk is the HP, eh?
But I agree that only living breathing people can transmit the
Law.<<<<<<<<<<<
The isolated monks are those who refuse to unite, who mix doctirnes and
types of Buddhism thinking they understand better then the people who are
trying to unite together.
> If you cannot remember the past and how you already, tried to avoid
True Buddhism, and you already denounced Zen or any of the theoretical
teachings up to the Hoben Chapter of the Lotus Sutra, and you already
promised to unite with the single sect of True Buddhism and you later
wavored in that vow and slandered the Votary of the Lotus
Sutra.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Chris:
>>>>>>>>>>Your literal minded interpetations of the Lotus Sutra are really
trippy, but they make little sense out side of your fantasies. The
reason is that one has no obligation to follow false doctrines, and
this doctrine of the "essence" is in essence false.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Chris, you haven't the foggiest idea what Buddhism really is.
>
> You forgot the name for the fabric of your life. And you forgot your
own promise you made in a single, very central moment, of existence.
>
> Instead you call it "Pathetic."<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>That argument of yours is what is pathetic DC. The role we
promised to
fulfil was the role of Bodhissattvas of the earth, to spread and
proclaim the Lotus Sutra in the Evil Later day of the Law. We made no
promise to follow ego-centric doctrines or priests.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
But you do follow ego-centric doctrine, that is obvious. You make various
distinctions all the great power of your naive intellect and your own
subjective reality. You Put down Nichiren Shoshu AND your own SGI and put
your subjective wisdom higher then the importance of objective reality. You
put unity on the back burner and are trapped in your mind.
In short youo are taking a wrecking ball to the true principle of Buddhism
and place your own subjectivity above all else. Your imagine you are using
reason, but because you are bereft of experience you have no idea what you
are talking about.
dc:
So now in Mappo how many more times do you need to go to the Transient City?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Material
Benefits, transcendent seeming moments, even "heretical religions" are
all "Transient cities" that exist for the sake of moving us along the
path of spiritual development. "Dissolving the Transient city" means to
once again reveal the transient nature of reality and the fragility and
impermanence of our earthly existence. The real awakening occurs when
the Transient City is dissolved and we begin to rely on the Law flower
Sutra and the Buddha (our Guide) and strive diligently to achieve
actual Annokutara Sanmyaku Sanbodai or real enlightenment. Your
explaination of the transient city was incoherent.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
You are fooling yourself Chris. Been there, done that. You are all up in
your head. No recognition of the real purpose. You'll are just one of
those people complaining, once the means is exposed for what is was.
> It's just cause and effect, John. No way around it.<<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>>That is true DC, and if you are going to explain it you need to
go back
to basics. It's been too easy for me to debate with you
lately.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Becaue your sincerity is less you are about to go off the deep end and
you'll be just another person in the long list of dummies that toss out the
True Law, for their own manufactured one. You aren't debating Chris, you
are just whining.
dc
dc
The problem is that you are just repeating karma currently and it will never
pull you out of the repetative cycle. You already realized this and then
received the Mystic Law at the hand of Nichrien SHoshu Priesthood. That was
your reward, know you getting pulled backwards again.
dc
Ryuei
> Carmen! Stop doing this. It's a terrible mistake. Come back to the
> religion. Work out the karma the correct way, or it will keep repeating.
>
> dc<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> When you first joined Nichirne Shoshu this lifetime, you had JUST expiated
> the karma of leaving Nichiren Shoshu and starting the "Independents," of
> another age. That is the karma repeating. Karma is like wind blowing you
> into certain choices like this, you must recognize and not repeat anymore.
>
> dc
You are a superstitious maniac. Cause and effect is very intricate and
subtle and does not play sectarian favorites. You people are no better than
fundamentalist Christians.
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
Ryuei
--
"Suffer what there is to suffer, enjoy what there is to enjoy. Regard both
suffering and joy as facts of life and continue chanting Namu Myoho Renge
Kyo, no matter what happens. Then you will experience boundless joy from
the Dharma. Strengthen your faith more than ever." - Nichiren Shonin
Ryuei
<rial...@ojai.net> wrote:
> Anyone can find photos of Nichiren Gohonzons and copy them all day a nd all
> night, but they are just pictures of Gohonzons, copies. When a Gohonzon
> actually manifests from KU, it must be connected to the living essence of
> Buddhism, otherwise it is no differnt then the proverbial cocktail napkin.
>
> dc
This meataphysical gobbledygook is nothing but New Ageish garbage. It is
certainly not Buddhism. "Gohonzons manifesting from Ku" indeed!
Ryuei
(Rogowdoc) wrote:
> Petry, you write:
>
> >>>>>>Without a proper eye opening ceremony, it has no value as a proper
object
> of worship.>>>>>
>
> Could you please illucidate exactly how the proper Eye Opening Ceremony is
> conducted and who is to judge which practitioner of the Lotus Sutra is capable
> of performing it? We will aacept nothing less than succinct passages from the
> Sutra and Nichiren's Gosho. Also, do you agree with Marc and the HBS that
it is
> not a proper Eye Opening Ceremony unless sacred flint is struck to invite the
> Buddha into the Mandala. I Thank you in advance for your time.
>
> Also Ipcress, could you please cite where the proper Eye Opening Ceremony
> must be performed in front of the so-called DaiGohonzon, an object of worship
> not even alluded to in the Lotus Sutra or mentioned in the Gosho?
>
> Mark
Below is a passage that shows how universal the Eye-Opening Ceremony is in
Buddhism. Even the Theravadins use it:
> An important ceremony associated with the Buddha-image is the ritual of
> painting its eyes (netra-pinkama), which is performed with much care on
> an auspicious occasion as the last item of its construction. Until this
> is done the image is not considered an adequate representation of the
> Buddha.² (Buddhist Ceremonies and Rituals of Sri Lanka by A.G.S.
> Kariyawasam, The Wheel Publication No. 402/404 ISBN 955-24-0126-7
> Copyright © 1995 A.G.S. Kariyawasam Buddhist Publication Society, Kandy,
> Sri Lanka.)
>
> http://world.std.com/~metta/lib/bps/wheels/index.html
Basically all schools of Buddhism consecrate their statues, mandalas,
tangkas, and other depictions of the Buddha if they want that depiction to
be more than just an art object. Naturally, those who have been trained to
do this ceremony and who have a correct understanding of what it involves
will be the ones to perform it. The whole process of training to be a
minister ensures that those who do it know what they are doing and are
accountable for their actions with the sect/lineage as a whole. If you or
others wish to dispense with all this - more power to you - but you are no
longer practicing Buddhism the way it is practiced by the authentic sangha
that stretches back to Shakyamuni Buddha. Buddhism is not a
"do-it-yourself" self-help program. It is to take refuge in the Buddha,
the Dharma AND the Sangha (the community - i.e. the lineage that goes back
to the Buddha and which preserves the heritage of the Dharma).
Operation D
>Operation D wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:24:44 -0700, "Stephen C. Schwichow" <schw...@metro.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >dc wrote:
>> >
>> >> So...we are ALL in agreement! Carmen comes back to Nichiren Shoshu! And
>> >> thats that!.
>> >> :)
>> >>
>> >> Okay Carmen?
>> >>
>> >> dc
>> >
>> >Now dc, why would she want to do that when she's got access to authentic
>> >Nichiren inscribed mandalas?
>> >
>> >Stephen
>>
>> it's not just a pretty pattern Steven. The Daishonin said that he inscribed his
>> life in sumi (and lives don't copy on Xeroxes).
>>
>> P
>
>Well no, that isn't actually what he said and it doesn't mean what you seem to
>think it means either.
she's got access to a real Nichiren inscribed Gohonzon ?
John Petry
So she claims. What I suspect is that she has gotten access to a catalogue from one
of the companies in Japan that print Mandalas. Either that or she has joined Bruce in
copyright infringement. Either way, what she is handing out is not a Gohonzon, it is
a piece of paper with a mandala printed on it. Without a proper eye opening ceremony,
Rogowdoc
Petry, you write:
>>>>>>Without a proper eye opening ceremony, it has no value as a proper object
of worship.>>>>>
Could you please illucidate exactly how the proper Eye Opening Ceremony is
Fred Wolff
Rogowdoc wrote in message <19990831173301...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>
> Could you please illucidate exactly how the proper Eye Opening Ceremony
is
>conducted and who is to judge which practitioner of the Lotus Sutra is
capable
>of performing it? We will aacept nothing less than succinct passages from
the
>Sutra and Nichiren's Gosho. Also, do you agree with Marc and the HBS that
it is
>not a proper Eye Opening Ceremony unless sacred flint is struck to invite
the
>Buddha into the Mandala. I Thank you in advance for your time.
Rev. Kubota seems to think it's necessary......flint or no flint :-)
But, then again, he's a priest, and who needs them anymore....
Ryuei
<i...@jamthespamersciberia.com> wrote:
> Ryuei <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
> > This meataphysical gobbledygook is nothing but New Ageish garbage. It is
> > certainly not Buddhism. "Gohonzons manifesting from Ku" indeed!
> >
> > Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
> > Ryuei
>
> And you, so you think, are an expert on Buddhism? Which sect is it that you
> belong to that teaches you such humility?
>
> Cody
Tell you what Cody, why don't you cite me passages from the Sutras or from
Nagarjuna or Chih-i which support the idea that "things manifest from Ku."
You really have not even the faintest idea what you are talking about.
Ku=Sunyata=Emptiness and refers to the lack of substance in all phenomena.
In the Mulamadhyamikakarika of Nagarjuna, it clearly states that those who
believe that emptiness is something have turned the medicine of emptiness
into a poison. (Sigh) If I must I will look up and quote the exact sloka
(verse) for you.
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
The Sramanera Ryuei
Operation D
>In article <7p0y3.658$Dj2....@monger.newsread.com>, "dc"
><rial...@ojai.net> wrote:
>
>> Carmen! Stop doing this. It's a terrible mistake. Come back to the
>> religion. Work out the karma the correct way, or it will keep repeating.
>>
>> dc<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>
>> When you first joined Nichirne Shoshu this lifetime, you had JUST expiated
>> the karma of leaving Nichiren Shoshu and starting the "Independents," of
>> another age. That is the karma repeating. Karma is like wind blowing you
>> into certain choices like this, you must recognize and not repeat anymore.
>>
>> dc
>
>You are a superstitious maniac. Cause and effect is very intricate and
>subtle and does not play sectarian favorites. You people are no better than
>fundamentalist Christians.
>
>Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
>Ryuei
You could say the same thing about Nichiren Daishonin - he was a lot stricter
than you !
Paul
ps. didn't you used to be called Gino or do I have you confused with someone
else ?
John Petry
> In article <19990831173301...@ng-fi1.aol.com>, rogo...@aol.com
> (Rogowdoc) wrote:
>
> > Petry, you write:
> >
> > >>>>>>Without a proper eye opening ceremony, it has no value as a proper
> object
> > of worship.>>>>>
> >
> > Could you please illucidate exactly how the proper Eye Opening Ceremony is
> > conducted and who is to judge which practitioner of the Lotus Sutra is capable
> > of performing it? We will aacept nothing less than succinct passages from the
> > Sutra and Nichiren's Gosho. Also, do you agree with Marc and the HBS that
> it is
> > not a proper Eye Opening Ceremony unless sacred flint is struck to invite the
> > Buddha into the Mandala. I Thank you in advance for your time.
> >
> > Also Ipcress, could you please cite where the proper Eye Opening Ceremony
> > must be performed in front of the so-called DaiGohonzon, an object of worship
> > not even alluded to in the Lotus Sutra or mentioned in the Gosho?
> >
> > Mark
>
> Below is a passage that shows how universal the Eye-Opening Ceremony is in
> Buddhism. Even the Theravadins use it:
>
> > An important ceremony associated with the Buddha-image is the ritual of
> > painting its eyes (netra-pinkama), which is performed with much care on
> > an auspicious occasion as the last item of its construction. Until this
> > is done the image is not considered an adequate representation of the
> > Buddha.˛ (Buddhist Ceremonies and Rituals of Sri Lanka by A.G.S.
> > Kariyawasam, The Wheel Publication No. 402/404 ISBN 955-24-0126-7
> > Copyright Š 1995 A.G.S. Kariyawasam Buddhist Publication Society, Kandy,
> > Sri Lanka.)
> >
> > http://world.std.com/~metta/lib/bps/wheels/index.html
>
> Basically all schools of Buddhism consecrate their statues, mandalas,
> tangkas, and other depictions of the Buddha if they want that depiction to
> be more than just an art object. Naturally, those who have been trained to
> do this ceremony and who have a correct understanding of what it involves
> will be the ones to perform it. The whole process of training to be a
> minister ensures that those who do it know what they are doing and are
> accountable for their actions with the sect/lineage as a whole. If you or
> others wish to dispense with all this - more power to you - but you are no
> longer practicing Buddhism the way it is practiced by the authentic sangha
> that stretches back to Shakyamuni Buddha. Buddhism is not a
> "do-it-yourself" self-help program. It is to take refuge in the Buddha,
> the Dharma AND the Sangha (the community - i.e. the lineage that goes back
> to the Buddha and which preserves the heritage of the Dharma).
>
> Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
> Ryuei
>
> --
> "Suffer what there is to suffer, enjoy what there is to enjoy. Regard both
> suffering and joy as facts of life and continue chanting Namu Myoho Renge
> Kyo, no matter what happens. Then you will experience boundless joy from
> the Dharma. Strengthen your faith more than ever." - Nichiren Shonin
As Michael has mentioned something and I have already posted selections from the
Gosho which also show that Nichiren clearly intended such ceremonies to be done, I
will not repost them now. One reason why lineages have requirements one must follow
before they can perform these ceremonies is to prevent people such as you and Bruce
from misusing objects of worship.
Cody in Spain
Ryuei <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
> This meataphysical gobbledygook is nothing but New Ageish garbage. It is
> certainly not Buddhism. "Gohonzons manifesting from Ku" indeed!
>
> Ryuei
And you, so you think, are an expert on Buddhism? Which sect is it that you
Rogowdoc
Thank you for reply and your ad hominim attack Petry but you didn't answer
my questions.
>>>>>
Ryuei wrote:
> Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
> Ryuei
>
> --
> "Suffer what there is to suffer, enjoy what there is to enjoy. Regard both
> suffering and joy as facts of life and continue chanting Namu Myoho Renge
> Kyo, no matter what happens. Then you will experience boundless joy from
> the Dharma. Strengthen your faith more than ever." - Nichiren Shonin
As Michael has mentioned something and I have already posted selections from
the
Gosho which also show that Nichiren clearly intended such ceremonies to be
done, I
will not repost them now. One reason why lineages have requirements one must
follow
before they can perform these ceremonies is to prevent people such as you and
Bruce
from misusing objects of worship.
>>>>>
Mark
Rogowdoc
Thank you for reply Fred but you still didn't answer my questions.
>>>>>Rogowdoc wrote in message
<19990831173301...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>
> Could you please illucidate exactly how the proper Eye Opening Ceremony
is
>conducted and who is to judge which practitioner of the Lotus Sutra is
capable
>of performing it? We will aacept nothing less than succinct passages from
the
>Sutra and Nichiren's Gosho. Also, do you agree with Marc and the HBS that
it is
>not a proper Eye Opening Ceremony unless sacred flint is struck to invite
the
>Buddha into the Mandala. I Thank you in advance for your time.
Rev. Kubota seems to think it's necessary......flint or no flint :-)
Rogowdoc
Thank you for your reply Michael, but you didn't answer my questions:
>>>>>
In article <19990831173301...@ng-fi1.aol.com>, rogo...@aol.com
(Rogowdoc) wrote:
> Petry, you write:
>
> >>>>>>Without a proper eye opening ceremony, it has no value as a proper
object
> of worship.>>>>>
>
> Could you please illucidate exactly how the proper Eye Opening Ceremony is
> conducted and who is to judge which practitioner of the Lotus Sutra is
capable
> of performing it? We will aacept nothing less than succinct passages from the
> Sutra and Nichiren's Gosho. Also, do you agree with Marc and the HBS that
it is
> not a proper Eye Opening Ceremony unless sacred flint is struck to invite the
> Buddha into the Mandala. I Thank you in advance for your time.
>
> Also Ipcress, could you please cite where the proper Eye Opening Ceremony
> must be performed in front of the so-called DaiGohonzon, an object of worship
> not even alluded to in the Lotus Sutra or mentioned in the Gosho?
>
> Mark
Below is a passage that shows how universal the Eye-Opening Ceremony is in
Buddhism. Even the Theravadins use it:
> An important ceremony associated with the Buddha-image is the ritual of
> painting its eyes (netra-pinkama), which is performed with much care on
> an auspicious occasion as the last item of its construction. Until this
> is done the image is not considered an adequate representation of the
> Buddha.² (Buddhist Ceremonies and Rituals of Sri Lanka by A.G.S.
> Kariyawasam, The Wheel Publication No. 402/404 ISBN 955-24-0126-7
> Copyright © 1995 A.G.S. Kariyawasam Buddhist Publication Society, Kandy,
> Sri Lanka.)
>
> http://world.std.com/~metta/lib/bps/wheels/index.html
Basically all schools of Buddhism consecrate their statues, mandalas,
tangkas, and other depictions of the Buddha if they want that depiction to
be more than just an art object. Naturally, those who have been trained to
do this ceremony and who have a correct understanding of what it involves
will be the ones to perform it. The whole process of training to be a
minister ensures that those who do it know what they are doing and are
accountable for their actions with the sect/lineage as a whole. If you or
others wish to dispense with all this - more power to you - but you are no
longer practicing Buddhism the way it is practiced by the authentic sangha
that stretches back to Shakyamuni Buddha. Buddhism is not a
"do-it-yourself" self-help program. It is to take refuge in the Buddha,
the Dharma AND the Sangha (the community - i.e. the lineage that goes back
to the Buddha and which preserves the heritage of the Dharma).
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
Ryuei>>>>>
Mark
Supreme Buddha Master
I have been chanting Daimoku only(I have stopped the Sutra recitation),
day and night to my zerox Gohonzon, for a month now, and it is starting
to work. The Gohonzon is not an external thing, but the essence of
Buddhahood, and resides in each of us.
"Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo"
Stephen C. Schwichow
> Greetings all.
> I have been chanting Daimoku only(I have stopped the Sutra recitation),
> day and night to my zerox Gohonzon, for a month now, and it is starting
> to work. The Gohonzon is not an external thing, but the essence of
> Buddhahood, and resides in each of us.
It's Xerox, not zerox. Stands for a method called xerography (dry
writing).
Stopped the Sutra recitation, huh? I would assume you haven't ever
actually read the Lotus Sutra.
After a whole month your photocopy mandala is "starting to work." Wow, how
lucky for you!!!!
I'm sure Nichiren Shonin would be ever so excited to know that it's
"starting to work."
<Sigh> Is this (above) and example of the teachings of SGI?
Sad, sad, sad. The word shameful comes to mind as well.
Stephen
Cody in Spain
Rogowdoc <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
>
> Thank you for your reply Michael, but you didn't answer my questions:
Sorry you feel that way. As I do not perform the Eye Opening Ceremony, I
don't know what goes into it, just like you.
Cody
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
Yama...@webtv.net (Supreme Buddha Master) wrote:
> Greetings all.
> I have been chanting Daimoku only(I have stopped the Sutra
recitation),
> day and night to my zerox Gohonzon, for a month now, and it is
starting
> to work. The Gohonzon is not an external thing, but the essence of
> Buddhahood, and resides in each of us.
To see why that xerox honzon and all SGI honzon are worthless
counterfeits:
http://www.cebunet.com/sgi/sgcfg.html
http://www.cebunet.com/sgi/nstnews.html
http://www.cebunet.com/sgi/sgigolet2.html
http://www.cebunet.com/sgi/grvgo.html
--
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
http://members.aol.com/djuhl82848/page/index.htm
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
Christopher H. Holte <lio...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > "Opening the Eyes of Wooden and Painted Images" Gosho.
>
> That Gosho doesn't prove your contention. It only proves the negative
> contention that trying to open the eyes of a statue or painted image
> with Shingon Rituals will have a negative effect. It doesn't indicate
> that a HP has to do anything for a Gohonzon to "work".
"Unless one who has grasped the essence of the Lotus Sutra conducts the
eye-opening ceremony for a wooden or painted image, it will be as if a
masterless house were to be occupied by a thief or as if, upon a
person's death, a demon were to enter his body."
> > "The principle of the great significance of the lifeblood and the
> > object of worship are the documents transmitted from Nichiren to
each
> > of the successive Head Priests, and are the bequeathal received by
> > only a single person, indicating the bequeathal inside the Treasure
> > Tower of Taho Buddha." Honnin-myo Sho
> > [On the Mystic Principle of the Original Cause], Shinpen, p. 1684
>
> You have provided a document that is not in the Gosho Zenshu, that
> sounds like something that could not have been written while the
> Daishonin was still alive and is thus possibly in the same category as
> the two transfer documents. For one thing when would Nichiren have
> written about himself and successive HP's as he hadn't even appointed
> one yet until his death bed? Very suspect source here.
The Daishonin could easily have written about the transmission to the
successive High Priests as a concept, before actually naming the second
High Priest.
> > "I have appointed Byakuren Ajari Nikko as the So-kanzu, the General
> > Chief Priest, and transfer the entirety and every detail of the true
> > doctrine of Nichiren. The top senior Priests down to every disciple
> > must regard each of the successive High Priests transferred from
Nikko
> > to each in succession to be the So-kanzu, General Chief Priest,
> > without any opposition as in this time for throughout eternity in
> > the future."
> > Nichiren Daishonin, "On the One-Hundred and Six Articles"
> > Gosho Zenshu, p. 869
>
> The one hundred and six articles have been discussed on this news
group
> at length. Again the source is suspect and contradicts other
teachings
> of the Daishonin. He appointed 6 elder priests. Appointing Nikko as
> chief priest of Minobu may have made sense, but such a line
as "without
> opposition" is contrary to Nichiren's own admonition about followin
the
> Law not the person and Nikko's admonition about not following even the
> HP if he goes against Buddhism.
17. Though he be the head priest of the time, he is not to use a person
who sets forth his own doctrines which deviate from Buddhism.
"The head priest of the time is the head of the sect. In short, at the
present time it is the chief administrator, the High Priest. Since he
is the chief administrator, he is responsible for managing the sect,
and he may employ or appoint people, but he is not to use
someone who propounds his own arbitrary views which deviate from
the Daishonin's Buddhism and who will not reform them even after
he is warned about them. In short, this shows the limits of the
authority of the head priest of the time." Nittatsu Shonin's lecture
on the 26 Admonitions of Nikko Shonin
> Again smells like forgery given our current state of knowledge about
> the self justifying nature of NST doctrine (witness QA 56).
Sure, Chris. Anything which doesn't fit the SGI's new age agenda must
be "forgery."
Nichiren Shoshu has not changed its doctrines since the time of the
Daishonin.
In contrast, SGI is a new age self-help sect, with completely new
doctrines compared to what it used to teach. SGI is completely
divorced from the teachings of Nichiren Daishonin. How many references
to Ikeda does one see in a World Tribune? How many references to
Nichiren Daishonin?
<Snip>
--
Derek N.P.F. Juhl
http://members.aol.com/djuhl82848/page/index.htm
Rogowdoc
Someone wrote:
>>>>>Don Ross and Bruce and Rogow are also assuming a great karmic risk in
giving them out so casually and unconsicrated . I think they are fools who
dont understand what they have done.>>>>>
There already are many more than just us, chanting the Daimoku and spreading
the True Object of Worship. There will be tens of thousands more in the near
future. We are not the founders of any sect, we are the united body of
believers. From the lowliest believer who chants the Daimoku and teaches it to
one other person in secret, to our Master Nichiren Daishonin, we are the
Bodhisattvas of the Earth. You too are a Bodhisattva of the Earth and I no
longer have any animosity towards you. Unfortunately you, Ikeda and Nikken, are
sectarians. There never was meant to be any sects among the believers of the
Lotus Sutra and the disciples and followers of Nichiren. Keep on teaching. We
are those who will take what is true and discard the rest. Even among the
Priests and laybelievers of the Shoshu, there are those with a far greater
theoretical understanding of such concepts as Ichinen Sanzen than many priests
and lay believers of the other sects. We accept their teaching which is true.
Conversely, we reject those [about Shakyamuni Buddha, for example] which are
false. Likewise when Marc Strumpf teaches some history that is profound, we
accept it and when Petry or McCormick add some insight about the Lotus Sutra
that is true, we accept that too.
Mark
Cody in Spain
Ryuei <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias > In article <> >
And you, so you think, are an expert on Buddhism?
Which sect is it that you
> > belong to that teaches you such humility?
> >
> > Cody
>
> Nagarjuna or Chih-i which support the idea that "things manifest from Ku."
> You really have not even the faintest idea what you are talking about.
> Ku=Sunyata=Emptiness and refers to the lack of substance in all phenomena.
> In the Mulamadhyamikakarika of Nagarjuna, it clearly states that those who
> believe that emptiness is something have turned the medicine of emptiness
> into a poison. (Sigh)
You must disdain having to speak to ignorant Buddhists such as myself, right
Ryuei?
If I must I will look up and quote the exact sloka
> (verse) for you.
>
> Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
> The Sramanera Ryuei (read: big cheese in Buddhism)
You can answer my questions first. If you are truly a humble aspiring priest
like you say, you would not have such a big ego that projects being all
knowing about Buddhism. I will not get into a debate about theory with you,
as I am much more into actual proof than theory. Your high self esteem makes
me sick, Ryuei. If you are from the USA and have changed your name to a
Japanese name, I guess you are the opposite of the SGI leaders who changed
their Japanese name into a WASP name.
Cody
Christopher H. Holte
of Legalistic Law Devouring Sects. Those Gohonzon have been around too
long to belong to the sects that hold them.
In article <37CC036A...@slip.net>,
John Petry <jonp...@slip.net> wrote:
> So she claims. What I suspect is that she has gotten access to a
catalogue from one of the companies in Japan that print Mandalas.
Either that or she has joined Bruce in copyright infringement. Either
way, what she is handing out is not a Gohonzon, it is a piece of paper
with a mandala printed on it. Without a proper eye opening ceremony,
> it has no value as a proper object of worship.
>
>
--
<a href="http://www.paulingexhibit.org/exhibit/">
http://www.paulingexhibit.org/exhibit/</a><br>
<a href="http://welcome.to/ichinet/">Gosho</a><BR>
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/athens/ithaca/9011/">Christopher H. Ho
Christopher H. Holte
measure whose opinion is correct. If Carmen reaches enlightenment with
her "unauthorized Gohonzon", and her followers do as well, will you
still hold to your opinion? Is not that the "actual proof test?"
In article <7qbvei$8...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
ed...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John Timothy Hall) wrote:
>
> "dc" (rial...@ojai.net) writes:
> > dc wrote:
> >
> >> So...we are ALL in agreement! Carmen comes back to Nichiren
Shoshu! And
> >> thats that!.
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Okay Carmen?
> >>
> >> dc
> >
> > Now dc, why would she want to do that when she's got access to
authentic
> > Nichiren inscribed mandalas?
> >
> > Stephen<<<<<<<<<<<<
> >
> > Anyone can find photos of Nichiren Gohonzons and copy them all day
a nd all
> > night, but they are just pictures of Gohonzons, copies. When a
Gohonzon
> > actually manifests from KU, it must be connected to the living
essence of
> > Buddhism, otherwise it is no differnt then the proverbial cocktail
napkin.
> >
> > dc
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Pathetic
> --
>
> Ecology: the last fad.
>
>
--
<a href="http://www.paulingexhibit.org/exhibit/">
http://www.paulingexhibit.org/exhibit/</a><br>
<a href="http://welcome.to/ichinet/">Gosho</a><BR>
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/athens/ithaca/9011/">Christopher H.
Holte</a>
Christopher H. Holte
Derek N.P.F. Juhl <djuhl...@aol.com> wrote:
> In article <7qeo5b$83h$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Christopher H. Holte <lio...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Opening the Eyes of Wooden and Painted Images" Gosho.
> >
> > That Gosho doesn't prove your contention. It only proves the
negative
> > contention that trying to open the eyes of a statue or painted image
> > with Shingon Rituals will have a negative effect. It doesn't
indicate
> > that a HP has to do anything for a Gohonzon to "work".
>
> "Unless one who has grasped the essence of the Lotus Sutra conducts
the
> eye-opening ceremony for a wooden or painted image, it will be as if a
> masterless house were to be occupied by a thief or as if, upon a
> person's death, a demon were to enter his body."
>
Baptist and Jehovah's Witness Friends. Don't you read anything not
pointed to in a document from your priests? I already have refuted
your interpretation of that passage, so you repost it like doing so
means something to anyone not inculcated with your cult's dogmas. The
SGI ceased being a cult when we revolted from the Temple. Under
encouragement from Ikeda, we have been becoming less and less cult
like. What a shame that a little temple could get so big in it's head!
And then there is this horrible translation of the 17th admonishiment!
> 17. Though he be the head priest of the time, he is not to use a
person who sets forth his own doctrines which deviate from Buddhism.
The meaning of that passage, in it's original Kanji and Kana was
understood by Makiguchi and Toda (who went to jail interpreting it that
way) to mean the exact opposite of the way it is translated here. They
saw it as meaning; "Though he be the head priest of the time, if he
teaches against the Buddhist Law, one should not follow him" is the
interpretation of that passage which was accepted by all until Nichiren
Shoshu Newspeak came along. I had fun with this subject about a year
ago.
>
> "The head priest of the time is the head of the sect. In short, at the
> present time it is the chief administrator, the High Priest. Since he
> is the chief administrator, he is responsible for managing the sect,
> and he may employ or appoint people, but he is not to use
> someone who propounds his own arbitrary views which deviate from
> the Daishonin's Buddhism and who will not reform them even after
> he is warned about them. In short, this shows the limits of the
> authority of the head priest of the time." Nittatsu Shonin's lecture
> on the 26 Admonitions of Nikko Shonin
What a terrible translation and terrible interpretation. The limits of
the authority of the HP lie in the fact that -- he -- shouldn't deviate
from the Law!!
> I had written:
> > Again smells like forgery given our current state of knowledge about
> > the self justifying nature of NST doctrine (witness QA 56).
>
> Sure, Chris. Anything which doesn't fit the SGI's new age agenda must
> be "forgery."
>
QA 56 is your document Derek, why don't you repost it?
> Nichiren Shoshu has not changed its doctrines since the time of the
> Daishonin.
Turns out that may well have been a bald faced lie.
>
> In contrast, SGI is a new age self-help sect, with completely new
> doctrines compared to what it used to teach. SGI is completely
> divorced from the teachings of Nichiren Daishonin. How many
> references to Ikeda does one see in a World Tribune? How many
> references to Nichiren Daishonin?
Depends on the issue Derek. How many times do you study entire Gosho
without someone saying that this says "this" but indicates "that". What
good does it do to praise the Gosho or the Lotus Sutra if you destroy
it's intent? What does it matter if the Gakkai were becoming Ikeda
Centric, when you HP is asserting even more authority than Ikeda ever
did? Think of it, when Ikeda talks he cites the Daishonin, when Nikken
talks he cites the Daishonin and other HP's. Both cite the Daishonin,
but whom asserts his equality with the Daishonin? QA 56 justifies
Nichiren Shoshu treating as Gosho, Gosho written by successive HP -- as
if they were from the Daishonin himself. If Nichiren Shoshu didn't use
these Gosho to justify their other doctrines, this would not be so bad,
but because those are the very Gosho that you have been citing and
using to claim that the Daishonin made the claims of your little sect,
that practice -- acknowledged in QA 56 amounts to fraud. Perhaps Ikeda
realized this before, but in any case there is no need to narrowly
quote Gosho to follow the Daishonin's teachings. It is a choice between
following the path set out by the Daishonin, or narrowly following a
doctrine said to be from the Daishonin but really from the avatars of a
tiny group of people who call themselves the only true priests while
maintaining that they don't need to act like Priests, but only wear the
robes, get the Tonsure and attend the schools.
Cody in Spain
Christopher H. Holte <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
> Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Fortunately, there is a way to
> measure whose opinion is correct. If Carmen reaches enlightenment with
> her "unauthorized Gohonzon", and her followers do as well, will you
> still hold to your opinion? Is not that the "actual proof test?"
You are willing to waste your life that long to wait and see if she and her
followers reach enlightenment? You are truly confused, Chris. Do yourself a
favour and go see and talk to a priest of True Buddhism, Nichiren Shoshu.
Cody
John Petry
All priests when they take the vows, are given a Dharma name. This is equally
true for the NST priests.
Stephen C. Schwichow
> Ryuei <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias > In article <> >
> And you, so you think, are an expert on Buddhism?
> Which sect is it that you
> > > belong to that teaches you such humility?
> > >
> > > Cody
> >
> > Tell you what Cody, why don't you cite me passages from the Sutras or from
> > Nagarjuna or Chih-i which support the idea that "things manifest from Ku."
> > You really have not even the faintest idea what you are talking about.
> > Ku=Sunyata=Emptiness and refers to the lack of substance in all phenomena.
> > In the Mulamadhyamikakarika of Nagarjuna, it clearly states that those who
> > believe that emptiness is something have turned the medicine of emptiness
> > into a poison. (Sigh)
>
> You must disdain having to speak to ignorant Buddhists such as myself, right
> Ryuei?
>
> If I must I will look up and quote the exact sloka
> > (verse) for you.
> >
> > Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
> > The Sramanera Ryuei (read: big cheese in Buddhism)
>
Michael, if you were to make statements that were blatantly untrue and someone
came along and was able to show you your mistakes, what would you do? Admit
that you were making erroneous statements or simply condemn the person who had
the correct information as being condescending and bid headed? Your reaction
above speaks for itself.
> You can answer my questions first. If you are truly a humble aspiring priest
> like you say, you would not have such a big ego that projects being all
> knowing about Buddhism. I will not get into a debate about theory with you,
> as I am much more into actual proof than theory.
If what you say from a theoretical standpoint is flat out wrong and completely
contrary to the written teachings of the great master of Buddhism, many of whom
are quoted by Nichiren himself, shouldn't you be grateful for being corrected?
> Your high self esteem makes
> me sick, Ryuei.
Why should having correct knowledge of an issue imply "high self esteem?" The
fact is I hold Ryuei in high esteem because I greatly respect the depth and
breadth of his knowledge and the sincerity and strength and length of his
practice.
> If you are from the USA and have changed your name to a
> Japanese name, I guess you are the opposite of the SGI leaders who changed
> their Japanese name into a WASP name.
>
> Cody
That was a silly and petty remark.
Stephen
Ryuei
chiefst...@webtv.net (Reginald Carpenter) wrote:
> Good morning, everyone. Response to Ryuei posting on 8/30/99, 9:51pm
> (CDT-3). First of all, your posting was off-topic. The subject is
> about the "Notice to all Independents." You are deliberately posting
> anti-Nichiren Shoshu messages directed at individuals in particular, and
> not the religious differences that you may have against the religion
> itself! What's Up, Ryuei? Why are you so hostile towards the Nichiren
> Shoshu religion and it's believers?
>
> Secondly, you are COWARDLY using a pseudonym to post with. You ought to
> have the guts to post and use your own name, if you have the guts to
> call someone, as you did to another poster [DC], a quote "superstitious
> maniac." He is NOT a superstitious maniac, but he may be a maniac,
> anyway. LOL. Regardless, he is still my brother in faith in the
> Nichiren Shoshu religion, and you ain't. So you are a d-a-m-n COWARDLY
> MANIAC yourself, Ryuei! You are WORSE than anyone being any other kind
> of maniac! And, you ain't no "brainiac", either! ROTFL & LMAO, too.
>
> Thirdly, the "cut & paste" you used to SLANDER the poster [DC] with was
> about karma, in my opinion. It was not a debate or discussion about the
> causal law. You were off-topic there, too, STUPID!
>
> Lastly, who in the h-e-l-l are you talking about when you wrote that
> quote "You people are no better than fundamentalist Christians." The
> correct term is "Christian Fundamentalists," FOOL! I can add that to
> the list of things that I know you really don't know a d-a-m-n thing
> about, like Tibetan Buddhism and Yoga, too! Just what the f*ck do you
> really know, Ryuei? How to be a "big boy playing with a grownup toy" is
> all you seem to know, you Doofus! War. } : < { 0
>
> <<< Stone Eagle >>>
> Airborne in Cyberspace*
>
ROTFL
Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
Ryuei Michael McCormick
TaiChiDee
>religion. Work out the karma the correct way, or it will keep repeating.
>
>dc
The one reaction that I see missing
in all this hysterical reaction to the independents is perhaps taking a look at
the self.
The various Sects are missing the point that some people do not wish to get
involved with any of the organized Nichiren Groups because Sectarian (refute
the heretics campaigns) take precedence over Nichiren's teachings.
Why can't you consider that these people
do not wish to abandon Nichiren but
rather they wish to abandon Sectarian divisiveness that you must participate
in to be considered a member in good standing of the organized Nichiren Sects.
Some people see themselves as disciples
of Nichiren rather than of Nikken or Ikeda.
I see this independent movement as desperate acts by desperate people who
cannot in good conscience be affiliated
with any of the existing Nichiren Sects
as they all act pretty much the same way.
These are the casualties of the "Nichiren
WAR" games.
Instead of hooting and hollering because
they reject your group maybe it is time
to consider why the Sects are not meeting
the needs of the people that they ask to
support them both spiritually and financially.
What is it that they want that you cannot
or will not give them?
There is an awful lot of assuming you have
the answers but I don't see anybody asking many questions that aren't land
mines.
What are you afraid of? I guess it is easier to label these people as
lunatics, heretics
or whatever other name calling is resorted
to.
I do not not agree with the method that
is being employed to dispense a Nichiren Gohonzon but I sure do wish SGI would
take notice.
Perhaps some SGI members wish to
chant to a Nichiren Gohonzon rather than
Nichiren Shoshu Priest's rendition. So
far, SGI has been unresponsive and these
people are taking matters into their own
hands.
It is certainly a way to make the divorce
final and move on.
10 years is long enough for me. I keep
praying for a Nichiren Gohonzon.
It just may happen someday. I can chant
to my Nichikan Gohonzon and I can't deny
I had great benefits when I chanted to my
Nikken Gohonzon. I could continue to
chant without a Gohonzon at all. I really
believe we are all lucky to have encountered the Gohonzon.
But since the technology exists, I would
prefer a Nichiren Gohonzon.
It just screams Sectarian B.S. for anyone
else to copy and make a Nichiren inspired Gohonzon to dispense to the members.
Nichiren did not encourage his followers
to bicker among themselves.
Tai
Tai
Rogowdoc
Dear Cody, because it is not illucidated in the Lotus Sutra or Gosho and
because every sect and Practitioner performs the Ceremony differently, no one
can answer the question. We of course can surmise. Let me surmise, for a
moment. Every Nichiren sect Practitioner who believes in the Ceremony for
Mandalas, opens the eyes by chanting the Daimoku. Also, every Nichiren sect
besides the HBS recites, at least, the Hoben-pon and Jig-ge for obvious or not
so obvious reasons. Nichiren Daishonin points out that the object possesses but
31 of the 32 characteristics of the Buddha, failing only to manifest the
profound and far reaching voice of the Buddha. Therefore the practitioner who
opens the eyes of the Gohonzon must supply this final characteristic.
However, I further surmise that, since no one has ever heard an Object of
Worship speak, the Eye Opening process is a continuous one passed on from the
Practitioner to the recipient. The recipient of the Object of Worship must
continuously supply the Daimoku and the Hoben-pon and Jiga-ge for the Object's
eyes to remain opened.
Mark
Reginald Carpenter
Cody in Spain
The fact that you respect this pseudo priest does not mean I have to. He
comes on like he knows everything and the rest of us are idiots. Someone who
does that will never earn my respect, Stephen.
I do take back my statement about his name. I was unaware that it is his
priestly name; I incorrectly assumed he just changed it all by himself.
Cody
Cody in Spain
Ryuei, the All Knowing Student Priest lectures:<
> In article <936180492.502882@cache0>, "Cody in Spain"
> <wrote:
>
> > Ryuei <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
is
> > > certainly not Buddhism. "Gohonzons manifesting from Ku" indeed!
> > >
> > > Ryuei
> >
you
> > belong to that teaches you such humility?
> >
> > Cody
>
> Tell you what Cody, why don't you cite me passages from the Sutras or from
> Nagarjuna or Chih-i which support the idea that "things manifest from Ku."
> You really have not even the faintest idea what you are talking about.
> Ku=Sunyata=Emptiness and refers to the lack of substance in all phenomena.
> In the Mulamadhyamikakarika of Nagarjuna, it clearly states that those who
> believe that emptiness is something have turned the medicine of emptiness
> (verse) for you.
>
> Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
> The Sramanera Ryuei
You are hanging onto theory and semantics and attached to the conception of
emptiness. The three truths are one, and the Middle Way is the true path.
It is reality as it is. Emptiness itself is the cause for everything and ku
and ke are inseparable and this inseparability is the Middle Way, chu.
The Lotus Sutra:
"When the beings are earnestly desiring to see the Buddha, willing to give
their lives to do so, then I appear on Eagle Peak."
It is cause and condition. Ku is potentiality and latency and manifestation
is inseparable. A tree comes from the inherent causes and conditions in the
seed and the environment of the seed.
Chih-I states:
"Although the four phases of thought are in this way empty, one may actually
see in emptiness various manifestations of the four phases of thought and
other dharmas until one sees everywhere the dharmas of the Buddha as
numberless as the sands of the Ganges. Thus the view of Mahayana is
perfected. These are the four phases of thought of provisional
designation.
If it is empty, it should not contain the ten realms of the dharmadhatu.
Since these realms arise through cause and conditions, in essense they
should be non-existent Not having any substantial existence, they are
empty. But not being empty, they yet exist. Without apprehending either
emptiness or existence, one simultaneously illumines their emptiness and
existense." (Maka Shikan lesser Ch 2)
Nagarjuna writes:
"If it is said, that the origination of origination, originates the primal
origination, how can the origination of origination, originate primal
origination if itself is originated, by primal origination?"
(12 Gate Treatise)
Your turn, Mr. Priest.
Cody
Cody in Spain
Ryuei <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
than
> fundamentalist Christians.
>
> Namu Myoho Renge Kyo,
> Ryuei
And you are no better than a member of the KKK! You are a racist,
overeducated elitist, Michael.
And you are right, cause and effect does not play favorites. That being the
case, you should reflect deeply on the causes you are making by following a
teaching that depreciates Nichiren Daishonin by saying he is not the True
Buddha.
Cody
Stephen C. Schwichow
Dear John and Stephen,The fact that you respect this pseudo priest does not mean I have to. He
comes on like he knows everything and the rest of us are idiots. Someone who
does that will never earn my respect, Stephen.
I do take back my statement about his name. I was unaware that it is his
priestly name; I incorrectly assumed he just changed it all by himself.Cody
Not all of us did that when we were in SGI ;-)
Stephen
Stephen C. Schwichow
wow Michael.....how did you get racism out of Ryuei's remarks? If you knew him
you would know that accusation was waaaaaaaaay off the mark.
Stephen
Cody in Spain
Stephen C. Schwichow <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
> wow Michael.....how did you get racism out of Ryuei's remarks? If you
knew him
> you would know that accusation was waaaaaaaaay off the mark.
>
> Stephen
Ryuei says, and I quote, "You people are no better than fundamentalist
Christians."
What would you call that, Stephen?
And because of his "I am the Great Priest Who Knows All attitude", I have no
desire to get to know him.
Cody
John Petry
this is another Rogow crock o' sh**. It is clearly mentioned in the Gosho and it
has been a part of Buddhism for centuries. If you had any understanding of ichinen
sanzen you would understand the doctrinal basis for the ceremony. The simple fact
is that now that you have left the kempon Hokke Shu, you have no way to obtain eye
opened mandalas. So you engage in this sophistry.
Rogowdoc
John, writes:
>>>>>this is another Rogow crock o' sh**. It is clearly mentioned in the Gosho
and it
has been a part of Buddhism for centuries. If you had any understanding of
ichinen
sanzen you would understand the doctrinal basis for the ceremony. The simple
fact
is that now that you have left the kempon Hokke Shu, you have no way to obtain
eyeopened mandalas. So you engage in this sophistry.>>>>>
John, of course you can definitively answer my questions using the Lotus
Sutra and Gosho.
1).Who is the one who has grasped the essence of the Lotus Sutra and is capable
of Opening the Eyes of Gohonzon? If you can not give me a definite answer as to
the practitoners qualifications, I will answer for you, utilizing the Lotus
Sutra and Gosho. Let me give you a hint since you are so reluctant to answer
this question, it isn't just Rev. Kubota, the Nichiren Shu fully ordained
priests, or the licensed HBS laypriests who have grasped the essence of the
Lotus Sutra and are capable of Opening the Eyes of a Gohonzon. Might they be
the Bodhisattvas of the E....? Oops, I almost answered this one for you too.
2).What is the Ceremony(this is the only answer of the five you have already
answered, if you want to get technical).
3).How is the Ceremony performed and which of the practices of the Lotus Sutra
are utilized? Hint, have you ever heard of chanting the Daimoku of the Lotus
Sutra and the auxilliary practice of chanting the Hoben-pon and the Juryo-hon
with deep faith in and reverence for the Law, the Original Eternal Buddha
Shakyamuni and the Sangha led by Jogyo? Have you ever heard of offering
flowers, water and incense? What about the sacred flint striking practice of
the HBS?
4).Where is the Ceremony to be held?
5).When in relation to the transcription or copy of the Gohonzon is the
Ceremony to be performed?
Thanks in advance.
Mark
Stephen C. Schwichow
> Stephen C. Schwichow <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
> > wow Michael.....how did you get racism out of Ryuei's remarks? If you
> knew him
> > you would know that accusation was waaaaaaaaay off the mark.
> >
> > Stephen
>
> Ryuei says, and I quote, "You people are no better than fundamentalist
> Christians."
>
> What would you call that, Stephen?
I certainly wouldn't call it racist! If anything it's making a comparison
between Buddhist who have the attitude that "Nikken said, I believe it, and that
settles it" and fundamentalist Christian who have a similar attitude. Or the
attitude that mine is the "correct, true and only" way to enlightenment and
anyone who is not Nichiren Shoshu is wrong and a heretic. Not much different
from a fundamentalist Christian. The religion may be different but the
close-minded, narrow, egotistical attitude, attached to being right, is very
similar.
Stephen
John Petry
I am not going to play, "yes I did, no you didn't with you". The simple reality
is that the question has been answered and more than adequately. You simply have
no intention of acknowledging that fact and want to play this game.
One thing is clear Rogow, it isn't you as you have no understanding of the sutra or
Nichiren's gosho when you write what you write about the eye opening ceremony.
Further your attack on Rev. Kubota is disgraceful and shows the moral bankruptcy of
your little clique.
Fred Wolff
>In article <9399-37C...@newsd-113.bryant.webtv.net>,
>chiefst...@webtv.net (Reginald Carpenter) wrote:
>
>> have the guts to post and use your own name, if you have the guts to
>> call someone, as you did to another poster [DC], a quote "superstitious
>> maniac." He is NOT a superstitious maniac, but he may be a maniac,
>> anyway. LOL. Regardless, he is still my brother in faith in the
>> Nichiren Shoshu religion, and you ain't. So you are a d-a-m-n COWARDLY
>> MANIAC yourself, Ryuei! You are WORSE than anyone being any other kind
>> of maniac! And, you ain't no "brainiac", either! ROTFL & LMAO, too.
>>
became Shami in the Nichiren Shu. Using his new name doesn't make him a
coward.
mpc...@my-deja.com
"Stephen C. Schwichow" <schw...@metro.net> wrote:
> Cody in Spain wrote:
>
> > Stephen C. Schwichow <> escribió en el mensaje de noticias
> > > wow Michael.....how did you get racism out of Ryuei's remarks?
If you
> > knew him
> > > you would know that accusation was waaaaaaaaay off the mark.
> > >
> > > Stephen
> >
> > Ryuei says, and I quote, "You people are no better than
fundamentalist
> > Christians."
> >
> > What would you call that, Stephen?
>
> I certainly wouldn't call it racist! If anything it's making a
comparison
> between Buddhist who have the attitude that "Nikken said, I believe
it, and that
> settles it" and fundamentalist Christian who have a similar attitude.
Then why didn't he say that instead of comparing us to a religion that
believes in the literal interpretation of the bible? Racism?
Or the
> attitude that mine is the "correct, true and only" way to
enlightenment and
> anyone who is not Nichiren Shoshu is wrong and a heretic. Not much
different
> from a fundamentalist Christian. The religion may be different but
the
> close-minded, narrow, egotistical attitude, attached to being right,
is very
> similar.
Again, why didn't he say that? He used "fundamental Christians" for ALL
of its connotations or he should have specified what he meant. And, his
statement, "You are no better than fundamental Christians" implies a.,
fundamental Christians are inherently bad and b., so is Nichiren
Shoshu. This type of generalisation is prejudiced and only shows what
type of "priest" this guy is.
> Stephen
>
> >
> >
> > And because of his "I am the Great Priest Who Knows All attitude",
I have no
> > desire to get to know him.
> >
> > Cody
What about his 'I am the Great Priest Who Knows All attitude', Stephen?
Cody in Spain
Rogowdoc
Petry's pat no answer of the week:
>>>>>I am not going to play, "yes I did, no you didn't with you". The simple
reality
is that the question has been answered and more than adequately. You simply
have no intention of acknowledging that fact and want to play this game.>>>>>
Mark
Reginald Carpenter
(CDT+1). The poster, Ryuei, had never made it known to me in the past
year that he was a priest in training for the Nichiren Shu sect. And,
he didn't do it on the other thread I originated - Questions About
Tibetan Buddhism - that he posted to.
After some one else mentioned it, I backtracked to a posting he wrote on
this thread that I had not read, because I'm not really interested in
it. I also went to a Nichiren Shu website to check on his name, and
then I realized that it was his "priestly name."
Therefore, I have to retract the specific parts of my posting that
referred to him as being a "coward" for using a pseudonym, and I
apologize to him and Arbn readers for that. But he's still a "maniac,"
not a "brainiac" to me! If he is going to post on Arbn, it's his
responsibility to identify himself adequately for people to respond to
him properly. I do not want to disrespect any priests or priest
trainees, even of another Nichiren sect of Buddhism. Although, I do
recall that I was a little tight on the Dalai Lama's a-s-s when someone
[John Timothy Hall] asked everyone their opinion about him and where he
fit into true Buddhism. That was a dumb-ass question a while back in
the past. LOL. So, I will apologize for that, too, while I'm at it.
Thanks a lot you for your input, Mr. Wolff. Peace! } : < { 0
SRyuei
<Again, why didn't he say that? He used "fundamental Christians" for ALL
of its connotations or he should have specified what he meant. And, his
statement, "You are no better than fundamental Christians" implies a.,
fundamental Christians are inherently bad and b., so is Nichiren
Shoshu. This type of generalisation is prejudiced and only shows what
type of "priest" this guy is.>
First off, racism is not a factor when comparing religious groups, except in
certain cases (i.e. Judaism). As for the two implications, perhaps I should
comment a little more in depth since you seem to have no appreciation for
rhetoric and the limitations of any analogy:
a) I do think that fundamentalists of any type are inherently bad. The
fundamentalist mindset (even if it geared towards a "true teaching") is a
dangerous and eventually homicidal or even genocidal one. Having said that, I
think many fundamentalists are not themselves bad, but are simply people who
feel very weak and afraid and need to feel that they have found THE answer, and
so are very threatened when anyone questions it or them.
b) Insofar as Nichiren Shoshu members have a fundamentalist mindset (and I am
willing to believe that not all of them do - especially among those who were
born into it and are not converts) then those members are tainted with the
inherently bad fundamentalist mindset. I was not reacting to Nichrien Shoshu
(or SGI) as a whole, but to the people whose postings betrayed such a mindset.
>What about his 'I am the Great Priest Who Knows All attitude', Stephen?
First I am a novice and not a priest, I am no better or worse than anyone else,
and I do not know all (I just know a lot). However, unlike most of the people
who pontificate, proselytize, and polemicize here, I actually bother to do my
homework and track down the source texts for the teachings which SGI and NST
members have only received popularized and watered down versions of.
Operation D
wrote:
>
>
>
>In article <37c91819...@news.virgin.net>,
> ip.c...@virgin.net (Operation D ) wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 02:24:44 -0700, "Stephen C. Schwichow"
><schw...@metro.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >dc wrote:
>> >
>> >> So...we are ALL in agreement! Carmen comes back to Nichiren
>Shoshu! And
>> >> thats that!.
>> >> :)
>> >>
>> >> Okay Carmen?
>> >>
>> >> dc
>> >
>> >Now dc, why would she want to do that when she's got access to
>authentic
>> >Nichiren inscribed mandalas?
>> >
>> >Stephen
>>
>> it's not just a pretty pattern Steven. The Daishonin said that he
>inscribed his
>> life in sumi (and lives don't copy on Xeroxes).
>>
>> P
>>
>How about Offset Printers? (You folks use a printing process for your
>Gohonzon).
it's about what happens AFTER it's printed
John Petry
it more than adequately expresses the reality of the situation . I am very
dismayed at your attacks of Rev Kubota as well as those of Bonnie.
Cody in Spain
Cody
Rogowdoc
Rogowdoc wrote:
> Petry's pat no answer of the week:
>
> >>>>>I am not going to play, "yes I did, no you didn't with you". The simple
> reality
> is that the question has been answered and more than adequately. You simply
> have no intention of acknowledging that fact and want to play this game.>>>>>
>
> Mark
it more than adequately expresses the reality of the situation .>>>>>
If you say so.
>>>>>I am very dismayed at your attacks of Rev Kubota as well as those of
Bonnie.>>>>>
If you mean my assertion that not only Rev. Kubota or the ordained Nichiren Shu
priests are qualified to open the eyes of Gohonzon, then my assertion stands.
As far as Bonnie's letter, you had better take that up with her. If you are
looking for me to distance myself from her letter, ok, I distance myself from
her letter. I am not, however, ready to condemn Bonnie for one letter she wrote
in a moment of frustration.
Mark
Fred Wolff
Reginald Carpenter wrote in message
<15855-37...@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>...
My pleasure...it's nice to make a positive contribution here for a change
:-)
Fred Wolff
John Petry wrote in message <37D18D76...@slip.net>...
>Rogowdoc wrote:
>
>> Petry's pat no answer of the week:
>>
>> >>>>>I am not going to play, "yes I did, no you didn't with you". The
simple
>> reality
>> is that the question has been answered and more than adequately. You
simply
>> have no intention of acknowledging that fact and want to play this
game.>>>>>
>>
>> Mark
>
>dismayed at your attacks of Rev Kubota as well as those of Bonnie.
Bonnie attacks anyone who disagrees with Bruce. To be fair, Mark hasn't
attacked Rev. Kubota. He has stated his position regarding priests but,
speaking now from personal experience, Mark is very respectful of Rev.
Kubota and has always regarded him highly. I don't think he would ever say
anything negative about Rev. Kubota.
Bonnie, on the other hand, is capable of attacks similar to that of a rabid
dog. She's done it to me enough. I'm truly surprised she hasn't
electronically assaulted me yet for leaving the fold.
John Petry
Bruce hasn't told her to do so as of yet. I am glad of what you said about
Mark's attitude towards Kubota.
Don Ross
>
> >>>>>Don Ross and Bruce and Rogow are also assuming a great karmic risk in
> giving them out so casually and unconsicrated . I think they are fools
who
> dont understand what they have done.>>>>>
>
Rogowdoc <rogo...@aol.com> wrote in message
> There already are many more than just us, chanting the Daimoku and
spreading
> the True Object of Worship. There will be tens of thousands more in the
near
> future. We are not the founders of any sect, we are the united body of
> believers. From the lowliest believer who chants the Daimoku and teaches
it to
> one other person in secret, to our Master Nichiren Daishonin, we are the
> Bodhisattvas of the Earth. You too are a Bodhisattva of the Earth and I no
> longer have any animosity towards you. Unfortunately you, Ikeda and
Nikken, are
> sectarians. There never was meant to be any sects among the believers of
the
> Lotus Sutra and the disciples and followers of Nichiren. Keep on teaching.
We
> are those who will take what is true and discard the rest. Even among the
> Priests and laybelievers of the Shoshu, there are those with a far greater
> theoretical understanding of such concepts as Ichinen Sanzen than many
priests
> and lay believers of the other sects. We accept their teaching which is
true.
> Conversely, we reject those [about Shakyamuni Buddha, for example] which
are
> false. Likewise when Marc Strumpf teaches some history that is profound,
we
> accept it and when Petry or McCormick add some insight about the Lotus
Sutra
> that is true, we accept that too.
>
> Mark
~~~
I am but a humble practitoner of the Law, learning from all of you [some
good, some bad, such is life ;-]. But in this matter of the Gohonzon, we
will continue to make efforts to make them available outside the
interference of Japanese Buddhism. Every month, more people gain the ability
to reproduce quality Gohonzons, and we're NOT talking .jpgs here.
This weekend I read the entire Japanese Copyright Laws. Nichiren mandalas
ARE in the public domain. Copyright before 1899 holds for 30 years after the
death of the author. After 1899, copyright lasts for 50 years after the
death of the author. If there is some law which supercedes Copyright, I
would love to see, but it seems pretty clear to me.
You can read it yourself at http://www.cric.or.jp/cric_e/ecolj/.
Clearly if someone were to reproduce a Nikken or a Nittatsu Gohonzon, it
would be illegal. It's even illegal to post them on the web. However, a
Nichikan or Nichiren, or any number of other ancient Omandalas would be
legally in the clear.
Concerning the Gohonzon Shu, the photos of Nichiren Gohonzon therein would
be protected by copyright UNTIL 50 years after the death of the author(s).
Does anyone know when that person or persons died?
We might be getting close to that time.... when LEGALLY the WORLD will have
access to all [or nearly all] of Nichiren's Gohonzons [or reputed
Gohonzons]. How profound!
Who knows the story behind the man who traveled from temple to temple all
over Japan to view and photograph every Nichiren Gohonzon he could find? The
man who was not even allowed on Tai'seki-ji grounds, much less to view the
DaiGohonzon bestowed upon all mankind, for whatever reason....
John Petry
Don:
I think that you and I need to chat about this a bit. You are missing the point
somewhat. Please e-mail me and lets set up a time to talk about this stuff.
Thanks
John Petry