Brandenburg Concerti
John Grabowski
In <5vjms4$g...@news.informix.com> joyd...@informix.com (Joydeep
Buragohain) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
> Can anybody tell me what are the best recordings of the
Brandenburg
> Concerti by Bach? I have got two - one by Linde Consort (EMI)
which
> I did not like much; the other by Karajan (1966 for DG) which I
> thought was simply great.
>
> Also, Is Gould considered the best Bach interpreter on keyboard?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> - Joydeep -
>--
First thing you gotta learn: except for maybe Nathan, there are few of
us here who believe in "The Best." There are various interpretations,
some more interesting than others.
For Brandenburgers, a very fine set that's coincidentally a very
affordable set is Yahudi Menuhin's on Seraphim, in a 2-fer. I got this
at Rasputin's in Berkeley for something like $6 (new!). The only
drawback is no documentation, but hey, for that price who cares? You
certainly can't go wrong for $6.
Gould is certainly an interesting interpretor of Bach. His Goldberg
Varations are remarkable and a recording I return to again and again.
John
Joydeep Buragohain
Hi,
Can anybody tell me what are the best recordings of the Brandenburg
Concerti by Bach? I have got two - one by Linde Consort (EMI) which
I did not like much; the other by Karajan (1966 for DG) which I
thought was simply great.
Also, Is Gould considered the best Bach interpreter on keyboard?
Thanks in advance.
- Joydeep -
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Dave J.G.
> Can anybody tell me what are the best recordings of the Brandenburg
> Concerti by Bach? I have got two - one by Linde Consort (EMI) which
> I did not like much; the other by Karajan (1966 for DG) which I
> thought was simply great.
In my opinion, Trevor Pinnock and the English Concert's Bach Concertos are the
best. You must have a taste for period instruments though. I recently heard the
Jordi Savall version of the Brandenburg Concertos which is often proclaimed as
superior to the Pinnock version but I disagree. While the Savall version is good,
it is, IMHO, the Pinnock version which is superior. Ironically, Pinnock has played
with Savall in the past.
> Also, Is Gould considered the best Bach interpreter on keyboard?
While I cherish my Gould Bach recordings, I don't consider them the best
interpretations. Glenn Gould makes them his own and in that respect, you can't
really compare them to other interpretations. They are unique. They are very
enjoyable but in many ways, they are not 'authentic' interpretations of Bach as you
might find with Trevor Pinnock, Gustav Leonhardt, Ton Koopman, Andreas Staer ( sp?
), and Kenneth Gilbert. Of course, all of these performers have their unique
interpretations but Gould is, IMHO, in a class by himself.
Dave
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Joydeep Buragohain wrote:
>
> Also, Is Gould considered the best Bach interpreter on keyboard?
Not by everyone.
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Joydeep Buragohain wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anybody tell me what are the best recordings of the Brandenburg
> Concerti by Bach? I have got two - one by Linde Consort (EMI) which
> I did not like much; the other by Karajan (1966 for DG) which I
> thought was simply great.
>
>
>
> - Joydeep -
The last time I expressed my opinion to the effect that my favorite
Brandenburgs (after many comparisons) are by the Lucerne Festival
Strings with Rudolph Baumgartner (on RCA), Jan Hanford (of the J.S. Bach
homepage) e-mailed me to bring to my attention the fact that she
agrees. (I have also, since that time, heard the Trevor Pinnock and
agree that it is a very fine performance, indeed.)
With apologies to Jan Hanford, I have taken the liberty of copying her
review and posting it here, since it takes the words right out of my
mouth about why I love this performance so well:
"Rudolf Baumgartner
Accompaniment/Orchestra:
Festival Strings; Lucerne
Individual Works:
Concerto No. 1 in F major, BWV 1046
Concerto No. 2 in F major, BWV 1047
Concerto No. 3 in G major, BWV 1048
Concerto No. 4 in G major, BWV 1049
Concerto No. 5 in D major, BWV 1050
Concerto No. 6 in B-flat major, BWV 1051
Instrumentation:
Bassoon
Cello
Flute
Harpsichord
Horn
Oboe
Orchestra
Trumpet
Viola
Violin
Format:
Compact Disc
Record Label:
RCA Victrola
Catalog Number:
VD87738/VD87739
Year Released/Recorded:
Recorded: 1979?
Released: 1988
Total Playing Time:
disc1: 45:59
disc 2: 53:09
Comments:
This is another in my series "Which Brandenburg?"
Performance: Elegant Perfection
Recordings: Excellent
Of all the recordings of the Brandenburg Concertos I own, when I get a
craving this is the one I go back to most often. It is my absolute
favorite.
I'll get my pet peeve out of the way right now: there are no liner
notes. Since it is on the RCA budget label, it is not surprising but it
is disappointing just the same. I would expect the same recording is
available in other releases and hopefully may contain more information.
It does list the soloists, and we have some familiar names: Josef Suk,
violin, Aurele Nicholet, flute, Christiane Jaccottet, solo harpsichord.
And the quality shows, this recording is a masterpiece of elegance and
sensitivity.
Unlike the some of the "authentic instruments" recordings which are
vibrant and lively to an almost manic level, this recording is
understated elegance. That doesn't means it is boring, it most
definitely is not. It is the middle ground between the crisp, speedy
performances of the newer authentic instruments and the older, larger
orchestra, and to my ears it is just right. In some movements (not all)
the tempos are slightly slower than the newer recordings, which I must
admit is refreshing. Rather than the melodies flying past in a whirlwind
you get to visit them like old friends. Most movements are as lively and
vibrant as any I've heard, but with a more pleasant mellow sound. This
is probably due to the increased ambient echo which creates the feeling
of sitting in a concert hall, rather than the intimacy of sitting in the
middle of the orchestra. I enjoy both experiences, since they offer such
completely different points of view. Do I have a preference? If you
insist, I would have to say this one. One of my requirements for
enjoying a recording of the Brandenburgs, and that this one fulfills, is
the second movement of Concerto No. 1 should bring tears to my eyes (I
don't know why, it just does). Another favourite moment is the second
movement of Concerto No. 4: it is lush, delicate, sad, thoughtful,
everything I could ever ask for. Those final notes of the recorder solo
get me every time.
The soloists are consistently excellent, one of the most important
being that the brass is in tune with no squawking. The traditionally
speedy solos are present: The violin in Concerto No. 4 is fast without
being frantic and the harpsichord solo in Concerto No. 5 is expressive
without interrupting the flow, one of the best I've heard. Some of the
solos in the fast movements are more blended in with the orchestra
rather than pushed out to the front of the mix. This makes them a
little less obvious but I grew up listening to these concertos this way,
so I think it sounds great. At no time does it sound muddy but, rather,
the result is it sounds integrated. One of the positives of this kind of
performance is that you hear something different every time you listen;
more details reveal themselves and it is exciting to discover them this
way.
If you are a big fan of the "authentic instruments" recordings
(especially the Reinhard Goebel) you might be disappointed by this one,
it sounds so restrained by comparison. But I think its lack of
controversy makes it the perfect choice for a Brandenburg newbie and for
a Brandenburg oldie (like me), it is the way I've always liked to hear
them and I couldn't be happier. Acknowledgements: From the collection
of Jan Hanford."
My sentiments exactly -- especially the part about the horns being in
tune with no squawking.
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Simon Roberts
: Can anybody tell me what are the best recordings of the Brandenburg
: Concerti by Bach? I have got two - one by Linde Consort (EMI) which
: I did not like much; the other by Karajan (1966 for DG) which I
: thought was simply great.
This is not a question like "what's the best product for getting grass
stains out of white pants?" What counts as the best depends on your
criteria, and there are no fixed criteria. Mine -- involving period
instruments played with great flair and imagination -- result in a
recommendation of Musica Antiqua Koeln and, expecially, the new recording
by La Stravaganza. The most I can say in favor of Karajan's is that it's
amusingly anachronistic; but if you like it, stick with it -- there's
nothing like it out there, except maybe Klemperer's or Boult's, but
they're out of print in the U.S. (I would note, though, that you can't
determine that you don't like period performances based on Linde's: I find
him rather dull. If what you like about Karajan's is the rather full,
lush, string sound, and want to try period instruments, Savall's is
recorded in such a way as to suggest a rather large string section.)
: Also, Is Gould considered the best Bach interpreter on keyboard?
Again you need to specify your criteria and instrument (and considered by
whom?). If you think Bach's keyboard music ought to be played on
the harpsichord, obviously he's not even to be considered. Despite my
usual preference for period instruments, I prefer the piano, and if I were
to have only one pianist playing his music, I would probably pick Gould
because of his astonishing combination of technique, vitality, and
imagination. I'm also extremely fond of Martins, though his willful
playing is, shall we say, controversial. He and Gould have probably
recorded more of it than anyone else (though Wolfgang Rubsam's bizarre
series on Naxos has covered a lot of ground). Nikolayeva has recorded
rather less, but I would almost put her in their class. Schiff is widely
held in high regard, but except in the English Suites I find him rather
bland. And on and on .....
Simon
Jeremy Berman
In <5vjms4$g...@news.informix.com> joyd...@informix.com (Joydeep
Buragohain) writes:
>
>Hi,
>
> Can anybody tell me what are the best recordings of the
Brandenburg
> Concerti by Bach? I have got two - one by Linde Consort (EMI)
which
> I did not like much; the other by Karajan (1966 for DG) which I
> thought was simply great.
>
> Also, Is Gould considered the best Bach interpreter on keyboard?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> - Joydeep -
I'd recommend the expensive but well worth your money Jordi Savall
recording on Astree (authentic instruments).
Gould the best Bach interpreter? According to some. MOST DEFINITELY NOT
ME!
If you want to hear great Bach playing try Scott Ross on Erato.
Jeremy
Dave J.G.
> The last time I expressed my opinion to the effect that my favorite
> Brandenburgs (after many comparisons) are by the Lucerne Festival
> Strings with Rudolph Baumgartner (on RCA), Jan Hanford (of the J.S. Bach
> homepage) e-mailed me to bring to my attention the fact that she
> agrees. (I have also, since that time, heard the Trevor Pinnock and
> agree that it is a very fine performance, indeed.)
I guess you have to fight fire with fire. To support my recommendation of Pinnock's
version, I'll have to pull out my secret weapon; Jan Hanford's later review of the
Pinnock Brandenburgs. ;-)
Jan is a good friend of mine. I'm sure she'd be flattered that we're quoting her to
support our favorite Brandenburgs. In fact, Jan is quoted in the liner notes of
Lara St. John's recent 'Gypsy' recording which I highly recommend.
-------
Brandenburg Concertos
Performer(s)/Conductor:Trevor Pinnock
Accompaniment/Orchestra:The English Concer
tIndividual Works:Concerto No. 1 in F major, BWV 1046
Concerto No. 2 in F major, BWV 1047
Concerto No. 3 in G major, BWV 1048
Concerto No. 4 in G major, BWV 1049
Concerto No. 5 in D major, BWV 1050
Concerto No. 6 in B-flat major, BWV 1051
Orchestral Suite No. 1 in C major, BWV 1066
Orchestral Suite No. 2 in B minor, BWV 1067
Orchestral Suite No. 3 in D major, BWV 1068
Orchestral Suite No. 4 in D major, BWV 1069
Instrumentation:Flute
Harpsichord
Horn
Orchestra
Trumpet
Violin
Format:Compact Disc
Record Label:Archiv Produktion
Catalog Number:3 cd's: 423492-2
Year Released/Recorded:1979 1982
Total Playing Time:3 hours
Comments:JH:
This is another in my series: Which Brandenburg?
Performance: Outstanding
Recording: Astonishing
In the past I've said I didn't care for Pinnock's performance of the Brandenburgs
and when I sat down to review this recording no one was more surprised than me: I
love it! What was I thinking?! I can't remember and I take it all back. I can now
see why everyone points to this recording as the definitive interpretation.
I have always admired Trevor Pinnock for recording such an enormous amount of
Baroque repertoire. I feel he has a permanent place in musical history for giving
us this vast collection of Bach and other Baroque composers in complete and
beautifully recorded form. His expert musicianship and commitment is undeniable.
This is the most crystal clear recording of the Brandenburgs I've ever heard. Each
musician is in perfect balance, the smallest details are audible. The word I would
use is "intimate." The orchestra is not surrounded by an echoing hall, the melodies
are not blurred or buried, they are right there in front of you, so clear you can
almost reach out and touch them.
The performance is flawless with lots of energy that never crosses the line into
frantic. The tempos are fast but remain excellent and he doesn't take chances; he
presents these concerti with the most enthusiasm, energy and joy able to be
captured on cd. Pinnock is playing the harpsichord and his performance is wonderful
(his solo cd's are also first-rate). None of the quirky egotism found with some
other musicians' recordings, this is perfectly balanced and lovely. The horns in
Concerto No. 1 are exceptionally well done, as is the trumpet in Concerto No. 2.
The solo strings are particularly outstanding; you can hear every nuance of each
musician's performance and it is often breathtakingly beautiful, especially the
second movement of Concerto No. 6.
Do I love it enough to call it a favourite? Yes, but with a qualification. My
particular taste has never gotten used to the sharp staccato style of the "original
instruments" orchestras. This is a completely subjective feeling on my part. I
prefer a larger orchestra, more legato and a little more echo. But I cannot deny
the excitement I felt when listening to this recording, sounding like the musicians
were in the room with me. In fact, for someone like me, this is a wonderful
alternative to my standard favourites; it brings freshness and energy to these very
familiar melodies and is very rewarding.
And lastly, my pet peeve: the packaging. In this case it is outstanding. The
Brandenburgs are presented in numerical order followed by the 4 Orchestral Suites.
It's great having them all in the same box. The booklet is detailed and interesting
and contains photographs of the solo ensemble for each concerto. I really enjoyed
seeing who these musicians are after hearing them perform together so well.
Will I be listening to this recording again? Yes. I highly recommend it, especially
to a Bach or Brandenburg newbee. It is a flawless recording of a sensitive,
intelligent and beautiful performance, presenting all the power and subtlety these
concerti have to offer.
( copied from http://www.jsbach.org/brandenburg.html )
Sincerely,
Dave Grossman
Dave's J.S. Bach Page
http://www.unpronounceable.com/bach/
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In article <5vkunn$5...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>,
jell...@ix.netcom.com(Jeremy Berman) wrote:
> I'd recommend the expensive but well worth your money Jordi Savall
> recording on Astree (authentic instruments).
I bought this set based on the fact it is so often highly recommended. I
was extremely disapointed. My full review can be read at:
http://www.jsbach.org/brandenburgjordi.html
Regards,
Jan Hanford
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Joydeep Buragohain (joyd...@informix.com) wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Can anybody tell me what are the best recordings of the Brandenburg
>did not like much; the other by Karajan (1966 for DG) which I
>thought was simply great.
My personal favorites are Reinhart Goebel's and Trevor Pinnock's, both
on Archiv. If you like the Karajan, you may wish also to try Benjamin
Britten's own recording on London (it is now being sold at budget prices
as a 2fer).
>Also, Is Gould considered the best Bach interpreter on keyboard?
Gould is despised by a certain type of priggish ideologue. If you read
rmc and rmcr you might think he is despised the world over. Actually, it
is just the opposite.
Gould and Tureck are my favorite Bach pianists.
ciao,
John
CONSTANTIN MARCOU
Well, I certainly can't complain about your methods or sources! :-)
Anyway, as I said, I agree that the Pinnock recording is in fact superb.
I had avoided it because he had left me somewhat cold with his
renditions of the Water Music and the Four Seasons.
Dave J.G. wrote:
>
> > The last time I expressed my opinion to the effect that my favorite
> > Brandenburgs (after many comparisons) are by the Lucerne Festival
> > Strings with Rudolph Baumgartner (on RCA), Jan Hanford (of the J.S. Bach
> > homepage) e-mailed me to bring to my attention the fact that she
> > agrees. (I have also, since that time, heard the Trevor Pinnock and
> > agree that it is a very fine performance, indeed.)
>
> I guess you have to fight fire with fire. To support my recommendation of Pinnock's
> version, I'll have to pull out my secret weapon; Jan Hanford's later review of the
> Pinnock Brandenburgs. ;-)
>
> Jan is a good friend of mine. I'm sure she'd be flattered that we're quoting her to
> support our favorite Brandenburgs. In fact, Jan is quoted in the liner notes of
> Lara St. John's recent 'Gypsy' recording which I highly recommend.
>
> -------
>
> Brandenburg Concertos
>
> Performer(s)/Conductor:Trevor Pinnock
>
> Accompaniment/Orchestra:The English Concer
>
> tIndividual Works:Concerto No. 1 in F major, BWV 1046
> Concerto No. 2 in F major, BWV 1047
> Concerto No. 3 in G major, BWV 1048
> Concerto No. 4 in G major, BWV 1049
> Concerto No. 5 in D major, BWV 1050
> Concerto No. 6 in B-flat major, BWV 1051
>
> Orchestral Suite No. 1 in C major, BWV 1066
> Orchestral Suite No. 2 in B minor, BWV 1067
> Orchestral Suite No. 3 in D major, BWV 1068
> Orchestral Suite No. 4 in D major, BWV 1069
>
> Instrumentation:Flute
> Harpsichord
> Horn
> Orchestra
> Trumpet
> Violin
>
> Format:Compact Disc
>
> Record Label:Archiv Produktion
>
> Catalog Number:3 cd's: 423492-2
>
> Year Released/Recorded:1979 1982
>
> Total Playing Time:3 hours
>
> Comments:JH:
>
> This is another in my series: Which Brandenburg?
--
Dave J.G.
> Anyway, as I said, I agree that the Pinnock recording is in fact superb.
> I had avoided it because he had left me somewhat cold with his
> renditions of the Water Music and the Four Seasons.
I have the Water Music which I like very much but I must admit that I haven't heard
any other versions of it. However, I recently picked up Pinnock's Four Seasons
which was a little hard to get used to in the beginning but after listening to it
more, it has since become one of my favorite CD's. I love it. Simon Standage's
playing is excellent. His trills give me goosebumps. :-)
Dave
CONSTANTIN MARCOU
Dave J.G. wrote:
>
> > Anyway, as I said, I agree that the Pinnock recording is in fact superb.
> > I had avoided it because he had left me somewhat cold with his
> > renditions of the Water Music and the Four Seasons.
>
> any other versions of it. However, I recently picked up Pinnock's Four Seasons
> which was a little hard to get used to in the beginning but after listening to it
> more, it has since become one of my favorite CD's. I love it. Simon Standage's
> playing is excellent. His trills give me goosebumps. :-)
>
> Dave
Well, then you're in for some treats. First, if you like the Archiv
recording of the 4 Seasons with Trevor Pinnock and Simon Standage,
you'll probably _love_ an earlier version on Vanguard records (same
players) which is, in fact my _favorite_ version of the 4 Seasons (just
as the Archiv version is my least favorite). (Funny how the same people
can produce what I consider both the best and the worst.) The Vanguard
recording doesn't have that abrasive sound quality found on the Archiv
-- but does have all the positive qualities, and a couple of extra
concertos to boot! (I think L'Amoroso is on there, or Tempesta di
Mare.)
As for the Water Music, the recording I found that displays all the same
qualities Jan Hanford lauds in the Baumgartner Bach is by a group called
the Chamber Soloists of Washington, on Newport Classics. The record has
the added advantage of containing all the variations that make up the
different versions of the suite, so all you have to do in order to hear
the different versions is to program the CD player appropriately.
--
Best regards,
Con
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Dave J.G. wrote:
>
> > Well, then you're in for some treats. First, if you like the Archiv
> > recording of the 4 Seasons with Trevor Pinnock and Simon Standage,
> > you'll probably _love_ an earlier version on Vanguard records (same
> > players) which is, in fact my _favorite_ version of the 4 Seasons (just
> > as the Archiv version is my least favorite).
>
>
BTW, these were recorded for a British label called CRD.
I bought them on LP from MHS a while back. I agree that
they are much better then his 4S for Archiv. In addtion
to that, he recorded the entire Opus 8 for CRD. I find
many of the later concerti even more interesting than
"The Famous Four". Perhaps these are the recordings
available on Vanguard in the U.S.
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Dave J.G.
> Well, then you're in for some treats. First, if you like the Archiv
> recording of the 4 Seasons with Trevor Pinnock and Simon Standage,
> you'll probably _love_ an earlier version on Vanguard records (same
> players) which is, in fact my _favorite_ version of the 4 Seasons (just
> as the Archiv version is my least favorite).
Thanks for the tip. I'll look for that one.
Dave
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Opus47
No I can't tell you the best recordings of the Brandenburg's because I
haven't heard all the Brandenburg's in existence.
You like Karajan. I hate Karajan.
I like Menuhin although he's not on period instruments.
Many people will recommend Pinnock only because he was the first DDD
recording on period instruments.
Don't get Harnoncourt either. He's a ship without a rudder.
I left off in my Brandenburg search looking for a good period instrument set.
In a bad mood.......Fred
Matthew B. Tepper
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opu...@aol.com is alleged to have said...
>
>
>No I can't tell you the best recordings of the Brandenburg's because I
>haven't heard all the Brandenburg's in existence.
>
>You like Karajan. I hate Karajan.
>
>I like Menuhin although he's not on period instruments.
>
>Many people will recommend Pinnock only because he was the first DDD
>recording on period instruments.
Yes, but I wouldn't write off Leonhardt on Sony (originally issued by
Seon). Late analog, but very clear, immediate, bouncy performances,
and no tape hiss.
>Don't get Harnoncourt either. He's a ship without a rudder.
>
>I left off in my Brandenburg search looking for a good period
>instrument set.
>
>In a bad mood.......Fred
Listen to the Mozart Piano Concerto #25 -- that always helps me out of
a bad mood.
john harkness
John Harkness writes:
someone wants an excellent period instrument brandenburgs set?
Tafelmusik on Sony which is a magnificent conventional performance
(leaves Pinnock in the dust, IMO.
Musica Antiqua Koln on Archiv, which is completely nuts.
Take both.
Opus47 wrote:
>
> No I can't tell you the best recordings of the Brandenburg's because I
> haven't heard all the Brandenburg's in existence.
>
> You like Karajan. I hate Karajan.
>
> I like Menuhin although he's not on period instruments.
>
> Many people will recommend Pinnock only because he was the first DDD
> recording on period instruments.
>
Dave J.G.
( reply posted and e-mailed )
> BTW, these were recorded for a British label called CRD.
> I bought them on LP from MHS a while back. I agree that
> they are much better then his 4S for Archiv. In addtion
> to that, he recorded the entire Opus 8 for CRD. I find
> many of the later concerti even more interesting than
> "The Famous Four". Perhaps these are the recordings
> available on Vanguard in the U.S.
I found the following recording at http://www.musicblvd.com in addition to another
one with the same title for half the price. I asked them if the expensive one
contained the complete opus 8 concerti but they said it didn't. Is this the one you
have with the complete opus 8 concerti?
Four Seasons
Antonio Vivaldi
(Crd #3348 , Released 01/09/96 )
Performers • STANDAGE (VIOLIN) • Trevor Pinnock (HRPCHR)
Orchestra(s) • English Concert
CD: List $ 34.97 Our Price: $ 32.99
Sincerely,
Dave Grossman
rc...@chiba.netxn.com
My very first Brandenburg set was on RCA Victrola with the Collegium
Aureum, one of the very first original instrument recordings. I have
very fond memories of this and have been searching in vain for a CD
reissue. Was it ever issued abroad (it was licensed from Harmonia
Mundi)? Does anyone know where I can find it on CD?
Ramon Khalona
Opus47 wrote:
>
> No I can't tell you the best recordings of the Brandenburg's because I
> haven't heard all the Brandenburg's in existence.
>
> You like Karajan. I hate Karajan.
>
> I like Menuhin although he's not on period instruments.
>
> Many people will recommend Pinnock only because he was the first DDD
> recording on period instruments.
>
> Don't get Harnoncourt either. He's a ship without a rudder.
>
> I left off in my Brandenburg search looking for a good period instrument set.
>
> In a bad mood.......Fred
When I am in good mood, I like Ton Koopman's recording with the
Amsterdam Baroque Soloists on period instruments. Very nice.
--
"Un torturador no se redime suicidandose... pero algo es algo"
- Mario Benedetti
Ramon Khalona
Carlsbad, California
Simon Roberts
rc...@chiba.netxn.com wrote:
: My very first Brandenburg set was on RCA Victrola with the Collegium
It showed up on BASF LPs in the UK; I've not seen it since -- I'm pretty
sure it's not been transferred to CD (I would like to hear the 5 again to
see if it lives up to my memory of it, and expect a CD transfer to make
the contributions of the birds outside the window at Schloss Kirchheim
to through more clearly!). I note, though, that Deutsche Harmonia Mundi
has been reissuing some of their recordings from that period, so you could
have reason to be optimistic (it's not part of that series, at least not
yet).
Simon
Chuck Nessa
rc...@chiba.netxn.com wrote:
>
> My very first Brandenburg set was on RCA Victrola with the Collegium
> Aureum, one of the very first original instrument recordings. I have
> very fond memories of this and have been searching in vain for a CD
> reissue. Was it ever issued abroad (it was licensed from Harmonia
> Mundi)? Does anyone know where I can find it on CD?
This was licensed from German Harmonia Mundi, now part of the BMG empire.
Chuck Nessa
Simon Roberts
john harkness (j...@netcom.ca) wrote:
: John Harkness writes:
: someone wants an excellent period instrument brandenburgs set?
: Tafelmusik on Sony which is a magnificent conventional performance
: (leaves Pinnock in the dust, IMO.
Yes; so does the new Giardino Armonico set on Teldec (incredible vulgar
horns in 1).
: Musica Antiqua Koln on Archiv, which is completely nuts.
This finally has a rival: anyone who likes wild Bach must hear the new
recording on Virgin by La Stravaganza; their performance of 1 makes MAK
seem almost sedate (they ornament the hell out of the fourth movement,
too). (You get both versions of 5 and the triple concerto as fillers.)
Have you (or has anyone else) heard it? Agree?
Simon
john harkness
John Grabowski
In <19970921163...@ladder01.news.aol.com> opu...@aol.com
(Opus47) writes:
>
>
>No I can't tell you the best recordings of the Brandenburg's because I
>haven't heard all the Brandenburg's in existence.
>
>You like Karajan. I hate Karajan.
>
>I like Menuhin although he's not on period instruments.
>
>Many people will recommend Pinnock only because he was the first DDD
>recording on period instruments.
I thought Hogwood was, but I'm not ready to bet the farm on it. I also
don't have a farm...
John
CONSTANTIN MARCOU
john harkness wrote:
>
> John Harkness writes:
>
> someone wants an excellent period instrument brandenburgs set?
>
> Tafelmusik on Sony which is a magnificent conventional performance
> (leaves Pinnock in the dust, IMO.
They do a good job on almost anything.
>
> Musica Antiqua Koln on Archiv, which is completely nuts.
>
I'm impressed with their Heinnichen -- but I don't understand why anyone
wants a Bach that is "completely nuts" (and I do agree wholeheartedly:
their tempi sound like a LooneyTunes soundtrack.) Is it just for a
change? Something different? Surely no-one believes that Bach or the
players of his time took things _that_ fast?
>
> j...@netcom.ca
Donald Patterson
Dave J.G. wrote:
> =
> ( reply posted and e-mailed )
> =
> > BTW, these were recorded for a British label called CRD.
> > I bought them on LP from MHS a while back. I agree that
> > they are much better then his 4S for Archiv. In addtion
> > to that, he recorded the entire Opus 8 for CRD. I find
> > many of the later concerti even more interesting than
> > "The Famous Four". Perhaps these are the recordings
> > available on Vanguard in the U.S.
> =
> I found the following recording at http://www.musicblvd.com in addition=
to another
> one with the same title for half the price. I asked them if the expensi=
ve one
> contained the complete opus 8 concerti but they said it didn't. Is this=
the one you
> have with the complete opus 8 concerti?
> =
> Four Seasons
> Antonio Vivaldi
> (Crd #3348 , Released 01/09/96 )
> Performers =95 STANDAGE (VIOLIN) =95 Trevor Pinnock (HRPCHR)
> Orchestra(s) =95 English Concert
> CD: List $ 34.97 Our Price: $ 32.99
I already e-mailed Dave, but I will post here for anyone else
who might be interested. =
I have an LP issue from the Musical Heritage Society, so I
can't be considered an authority. It seems to me that, =
considering the price, this is a multiple disc set. That
indicates the entire Op.8. Perhaps Music Boulevard was
mistaken in there information. Perhaps I am. ??????
-- =
Don Patterson <don...@erols.com>
"The President's Own"
United States Marine Band
Concerned about the state of the Mac?
Visit: http://www.MacMarines.com
The views expressed are my own and in no way reflect =
Donald Patterson
Opus47 wrote:
>
> No I can't tell you the best recordings of the Brandenburg's because I
> haven't heard all the Brandenburg's in existence.
>
> You like Karajan. I hate Karajan.
Me too.
>
> I like Menuhin although he's not on period instruments.
He's OK, but I prefer Britten in the modern instruments field.
>
> Many people will recommend Pinnock only because he was the first DDD
> recording on period instruments.
No. Because he is still the best, IMHO. Very accurate, yet agressive
music making. Really accentuates the motor rhythms. The BEST
natural trumpeting of ANY Brandenburg set.
>
> Don't get Harnoncourt either. He's a ship without a rudder.
Weird. Really weird. But his is still the absulute best 5th
I have ever encountered. The most dramatic cadenza ever. This is
the old 1962 set BTW. His later one was not as interesting.
His 1962 trumpeter was simply pathetic! I think he played a
replica of Reicha's coiled F trumpet for which the piece was
written. Engravings of Reicha from that period show him holding
an instrument such as this. However, in practice, it failed
miserably. The long clarino trumpet with ports is a much better
solution if somewhat lacking in "authenticity". It doesn't
really matter to me (the suthenticity that is). The clarino
sounds so perfect for this music. It is at once piercing and
rich in timbre. It blends with the other concerted instruments
much better than the modern piccolo trumpet.
>
> I left off in my Brandenburg search looking for a good period instrument set.
> In a bad mood.......Fred
Cheer up. If you don't like Pinnock, don't give up hope. First try
that
Britten set that I mentioned earlier. I think it can be had on a
twofer. Many have written well of some of the newer HIP sets. Goodman.
Pickett (I have this and don't like it). Koopman. Tafelmusik (This one
I
have high hopes for. I will try to hear it at first opportunity.)
Musik Antiqua Koln (Much too fast for my taste.) Many others.
--
Don Patterson <don...@erols.com>
"The President's Own"
United States Marine Band
Concerned about the state of the Mac?
Visit: http://www.MacMarines.com
The views expressed are my own and in no way reflect
Donald Patterson
Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>
> In article <19970921163...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> opu...@aol.com is alleged to have said...
> >
> >
> >haven't heard all the Brandenburg's in existence.
> >
> >You like Karajan. I hate Karajan.
> >
> >
> >recording on period instruments.
>
> Seon). Late analog, but very clear, immediate, bouncy performances,
> and no tape hiss.
I can't believe I left this one out of my earlier post!
I think it is every bit as good and in some better than
Pinnock. All star cast. Excellent sound. I have the
old LP set with the facsimile of the original score. I
did a college term paper using this score since I had
no other. :-)
BTW, claude Rippas is the very excellent trumpeter.
Donald Patterson
rc...@chiba.netxn.com wrote:
>
> My very first Brandenburg set was on RCA Victrola with the Collegium
> Aureum, one of the very first original instrument recordings. I have
> very fond memories of this and have been searching in vain for a CD
> reissue. Was it ever issued abroad (it was licensed from Harmonia
> Mundi)? Does anyone know where I can find it on CD?
Ahh. I have sought to hear this for years. The trumpeter
is the reknowned Edward Tarr. It is my understading that
this set is noteworthy for his contribution.
I have always said that the Collegeum Aureum is the HIP
group for those who hate the ousnd of HIP groups. Their
string sound is much richer than most of the other groups.
Sometimes I wish they had used a conductor in some works.
(Beethoven 3rd and 7th come to mind. I love these discs
but they tend to lose momentum occasionally.)
Donald Patterson
Constantine Thomas wrote:
>
> In <3425B2...@netcom.ca> john harkness <j...@netcom.ca> writes:
> >
> >John Harkness writes:
> >
> >Simon Roberts wrote:
> >>
> >> : John Harkness writes:
> >>
> >> : someone wants an excellent period instrument brandenburgs set?
> >>
> >> : Tafelmusik on Sony which is a magnificent conventional performance
> >> : (leaves Pinnock in the dust, IMO.
>
> instruments) set of LPs (SAWT 9459/60-A) with Nikolaus Harnoncourt and
> the Concertus Musicus Wien, that i bought back in the 70ies.
> does this have anything to do with TELEMUSIK?
> I can't say whether they are good or the best, we tent to like the one
> we heard first, so i am biased, i would rather play the lps instead the
> I Musici that i have on CD.
> What do i have here, gold or coal?
IMO, a mixed pail. The 5th from that set is fantastic. Still
my favorite. The 1st and 2nd are plagued by slow tempi and very
poor brass playing. The 3rd and 4th are OK without being
particularly noteworthy. The 6th is really pretty good.
CONSTANTIN MARCOU
rc...@chiba.netxn.com wrote:
>
> My very first Brandenburg set was on RCA Victrola with the Collegium
> Aureum, one of the very first original instrument recordings. I have
> very fond memories of this and have been searching in vain for a CD
> reissue. Was it ever issued abroad (it was licensed from Harmonia
> Mundi)? Does anyone know where I can find it on CD?
If you find out I would also love to know. I like a lot of the
Collegium Aureum's recordings, and I can only find a few here and there
in the remainder/cut-out bins. I have been looking for their CD of the
Mozart Requiem for two years now -- in both Europe and the United States
-- with no luck. I'm told that some of these recordings are available
in Asia, but I'm not sure how to contact stores there.
CONSTANTIN MARCOU
Donald Patterson wrote:
>
> Dave J.G. wrote:
> >
> > > Well, then you're in for some treats. First, if you like the Archiv
> > > recording of the 4 Seasons with Trevor Pinnock and Simon Standage,
> > > you'll probably _love_ an earlier version on Vanguard records (same
> > > players) which is, in fact my _favorite_ version of the 4 Seasons (just
> > > as the Archiv version is my least favorite).
> >
> > Thanks for the tip. I'll look for that one.
> >
>
> I bought them on LP from MHS a while back. I agree that
> they are much better then his 4S for Archiv. In addtion
> to that, he recorded the entire Opus 8 for CRD. I find
> many of the later concerti even more interesting than
> "The Famous Four". Perhaps these are the recordings
> available on Vanguard in the U.S.
>
> Don Patterson <don...@erols.com>
Yes, my Vanguard CD says (in fine print, at the bottom of the liner) "An
original CRD recording."
--
Best regards,
Con
*****************************************************************
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annoys the pig.
Simon Roberts
Distribution:
Donald Patterson (*NOSPAM*@erols.com) wrote:
: > Four Seasons
: > Antonio Vivaldi
: > (Crd #3348 , Released 01/09/96 )
: > Performers =95 STANDAGE (VIOLIN) =95 Trevor Pinnock (HRPCHR)
: > Orchestra(s) =95 English Concert
: > CD: List $ 34.97 Our Price: $ 32.99
: I already e-mailed Dave, but I will post here for anyone else
: who might be interested. =
: I have an LP issue from the Musical Heritage Society, so I
: can't be considered an authority. It seems to me that, =
: considering the price, this is a multiple disc set. That
: indicates the entire Op.8. Perhaps Music Boulevard was
: mistaken in there information. Perhaps I am. ??????
Unless the 4 Seasons have been lifted out of context and coupled with
something else (but it would have to be with different musicians --
because I don't think that combination recorded anything else for CRD
-- or some of the same musicians differently arranged as L'Ecole Orphee,
which recorded Handel chamber music for CRD around the same time or a
little later), my money would be on your being right.
Simon
Simon Roberts
Constantine Thomas (ct...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: I have a TELEFUNKEN, DAS ALTE WERK, IN ORIGINALBESETZUNG (original
: instruments) set of LPs (SAWT 9459/60-A) with Nikolaus Harnoncourt and
: the Concertus Musicus Wien, that i bought back in the 70ies.
: does this have anything to do with TELEMUSIK?
I have no idea what TELEMUSIK is, but the set of LPs you refer to is
Harnoncourt's first attempt at the Brandenburgs, recorded, I think, in the
early 1960s.
: I can't say whether they are good or the best, we tent to like the one
: we heard first, so i am biased, i would rather play the lps instead the
: I Musici that i have on CD.
: What do i have here, gold or coal?, at that time there was a lot of
: ecxitement about this recording.
It was probably the most significant HIP recording to that date and
probably remained the only one until Collegium Aureum recorded them.
While I would probably join you in prefering them to I Musici (like I
Musici, Harnoncourt's is on CD also), I can't say I like them much: slow,
rickety, tentative performances which sound very much as though the
musicians are still trying to cope with instruments they haven't mastered
yet (whether or not the actually had); one suspects that the outer
movements of 2 are so slow because the trumpet player couldn't otherwise
play it. But if you like them, and think you have gold, it hardly
matters if I think you have coal (or anything else -- unpolished diamonds,
perhaps).
Simon
Simon Roberts
Donald Patterson (*NOSPAM*@erols.com) wrote:
: I have always said that the Collegeum Aureum is the HIP
: group for those who hate the ousnd of HIP groups. Their
: string sound is much richer than most of the other groups.
: Sometimes I wish they had used a conductor in some works.
: (Beethoven 3rd and 7th come to mind. I love these discs
: but they tend to lose momentum occasionally.)
:
Interesting that you should mention their Eroica; I saw them do it live in
London in the late 70s. I find their conception of the music too relaxed,
but I won't ever forget the horn playing -- contrary to my fears, they
sailed through the trio as though it were the easiest thing in the world
to play.
Simon
Pal Benko
How is it that no one mentions Parrott? To me he is the only rival of
MAK (I have to hear Stravaganza). The two crazy movements of MAK
(last of te 3rd and first of the 6th) are played at more common tempi,
but the last movement of the 4th is actually faster than MAK, with
John Holloway playing the violin superbly. He also has a fine little
cadenza between the two movements of the 3rd. John Toll playes the
big solo of the 5th extremely well, the balance of the 2nd is perfect
- what else do we need?
Benko Pal
Constantine Thomas
In <3425B2...@netcom.ca> john harkness <j...@netcom.ca> writes:
>
>John Harkness writes:
>
>Simon Roberts wrote:
>>
>> john harkness (j...@netcom.ca) wrote:
>> : John Harkness writes:
>>
>> : someone wants an excellent period instrument brandenburgs set?
>>
>> : Tafelmusik on Sony which is a magnificent conventional performance
>> : (leaves Pinnock in the dust, IMO.
I have a TELEFUNKEN, DAS ALTE WERK, IN ORIGINALBESETZUNG (original
instruments) set of LPs (SAWT 9459/60-A) with Nikolaus Harnoncourt and
the Concertus Musicus Wien, that i bought back in the 70ies.
does this have anything to do with TELEMUSIK?
I can't say whether they are good or the best, we tent to like the one
we heard first, so i am biased, i would rather play the lps instead the
I Musici that i have on CD.
What do i have here, gold or coal?, at that time there was a lot of
ecxitement about this recording.
An old salesman that i helped with his Grudig table radio suggested i
wait to get the new Telefunken recording.
The phrase "the one i heard first, i think is the best" belongs to
him, good old Fritch Stahl.
C Thomas
Hin-Shing Wong
I like Klemperer's set with Philharmonia Orchestra - very slow and grand.
For a faster set, I also like Casals and Marlboro Festival Orchestra -
really fast and fiery.
On balance, I still prefer Klemperer.
Hin-Shing Wong
Simon Roberts
Pal Benko (be...@ios.geo.sztaki.hu) wrote:
: How is it that no one mentions Parrott? To me he is the only rival of
We may not "need it" but please try to hear La Stravaganza. I agree that
Parrott is good, but he never seems to be having much fun to me; I keep
the set mainly for the wonderful arrangement of the third gamba sonata
that fills it out.
Simon
Olaf
>rc...@chiba.netxn.com wrote:
>>
>> My very first Brandenburg set was on RCA Victrola with the Collegium
>> Aureum, one of the very first original instrument recordings. I have
>> very fond memories of this and have been searching in vain for a CD
>> reissue. Was it ever issued abroad (it was licensed from Harmonia
>> Mundi)? Does anyone know where I can find it on CD?
>
>Ahh. I have sought to hear this for years. The trumpeter
>is the reknowned Edward Tarr. It is my understading that
>this set is noteworthy for his contribution.
>
>I have always said that the Collegeum Aureum is the HIP
>group for those who hate the sound of HIP groups. Their
>string sound is much richer than most of the other groups.
>
I also have very fond memories of the Collegium Aureum version of the
Brandenburg Concertos. I have them on MC:s (remember those?) from the
70s, but have not played them in the last decade. Recently I found
them on a CD box at a sale. A 3 CD set also with the four orchestral
suites. It is a BMG issue from Deutsche Harmonia Mundi "Edito
Classica". There is a copyright year 1992 on the box. I think it may
still be in the European catalogue.
The number is 05472 77251 2.
In all honesty though, these days I prefer the Tafelmusic version. But
I will give them a new hearing, Edward H Tarr (of whom I knew nothing
before) is indeed a soloist (long clarino trumpet) in nr 2 as well as
in suites no3 & 4.
Thomas J Wood
Donald Patterson wrote:
> > Don't get Harnoncourt either. He's a ship without a rudder.
>
> Weird. Really weird. But his is still the absulute best 5th
> I have ever encountered. The most dramatic cadenza ever. This is
> the old 1962 set BTW. His later one was not as interesting.
> His 1962 trumpeter was simply pathetic! I think he played a
> replica of Reicha's coiled F trumpet for which the piece was
> written. Engravings of Reicha from that period show him holding
> an instrument such as this. However, in practice, it failed
> miserably. The long clarino trumpet with ports is a much better
> solution if somewhat lacking in "authenticity". It doesn't
> really matter to me (the suthenticity that is). The clarino
> sounds so perfect for this music. It is at once piercing and
> rich in timbre. It blends with the other concerted instruments
> much better than the modern piccolo trumpet.
Except...the Brandenburgs were written for the Coethen band; Reicha was
Bach's star trumpeter at Leipzig. Some have speculated that the little
coiled thingee Reicha is holding in his painting is a compact instrument
for practice. I think it's a bit of mystery what the F trumpet used in
Coethen looked like. Its rarity is probably what caused Bach to
authorize the substitution of a horn in F (much more common).
And I agree completely: Harnoncourt's old #5 is one of the best ever;
his #2 is rather embarrassing by modern standards.
I'm no longer on top of the available period-instrument Brandenburgs; I
haven't heard many of the newest ones (just how many do I need?).
Pinnock has always struck me as very good but rather antiseptic. I
haven't heard the Tafelmusik set, but from the reviews and my knowledge
of their other recordings, it should be good.
My overall favorite for quite a long time has been the recording by the
Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment on Virgin Classics (and MHS, I
think). It has almost all of the virtues if the Pinnock set (and several
of the same players) but it's generally warmer and a bit more spirited.
I hope EMI re-releases it in the mid-price Veritas line.
In terms of performance, the Hogwood set is one of the best.
Unfortunately, the use of the putative "original" score takes away much
nice music (the entire 3rd movement of #1 and much of the harpsichord
cadenza in 5) without really adding much. Hogwood's #3 is particularly
fine, however.
The very distinctive (to say the least) Musica Antiqua Koeln recording
has grown on me over the years. Only the finale of #3 strikes me as
unacceptably fast. The zippy tempo for the opening of #6 actually sounds
right to me (it's in cut time, after all). The MAK #5 is actually a bit
slower than many recordings, but Andreas Staier SMOKES in the cadenza.
Tom Wood
Simon Roberts
CONSTANTIN MARCOU (conm...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: rc...@chiba.netxn.com wrote:
: >
: > My very first Brandenburg set was on RCA Victrola with the Collegium
: > Aureum, one of the very first original instrument recordings. I have
: > very fond memories of this and have been searching in vain for a CD
: > reissue. Was it ever issued abroad (it was licensed from Harmonia
: > Mundi)? Does anyone know where I can find it on CD?
: If you find out I would also love to know. I like a lot of the
: Collegium Aureum's recordings, and I can only find a few here and there
: in the remainder/cut-out bins. I have been looking for their CD of the
: Mozart Requiem for two years now -- in both Europe and the United States
: -- with no luck.
If you ever find the Requiem, please let me know. Many of their
recordings have shown up on a mid-priced Deutsche Harmonia Mundi series
that is available in the US only as special imports in some Towers as far
as I know. If you want more details, send me a note and I can tell you
some of what's available (the booklets of those I have include a catalog
of sorts).
Simon
Joseph Rizzo
On 15 Sep 1997 16:13:56 GMT, joyd...@informix.com (Joydeep
Buragohain) wrote:
>Hi,
>
> Can anybody tell me what are the best recordings of the Brandenburg
> Concerti by Bach? I have got two - one by Linde Consort (EMI) which
> I did not like much; the other by Karajan (1966 for DG) which I
> thought was simply great.
If you liked the Karajan, I believe there is a Britten cd on London
that you may want to check out. I think the two may be similar.
In my case, I prefer historic performances.
I have heard 5 to date. Goebel on Archiv is... interesting. I enjoy
the set immensely, but not as a stand alone. Pinnock on Arciv I found
uneven. The set lacked polish that you can get with a period group.
Although, it is a fine set. Linde on EMI/Virgin is an OK set. I gave
mine away. Hogwood on L'oiseau-Lyre is competent. There is nothing
surprising in it at all. My current favorite is the new Teldec
release by Il Gardino Armonico (cd number: 4509-98442-2). This is
very lively performance of the Brandenberg. They are no where near as
eye opening as their version of Vivaldi's 4 Seasons- although after
hearing Goebel, it is hard to be more ear-popping.
> Also, Is Gould considered the best Bach interpreter on keyboard?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> - Joydeep -
Simon Roberts
Joseph Rizzo (jl...@mcs.net) wrote:
: On 15 Sep 1997 16:13:56 GMT, joyd...@informix.com (Joydeep
: Buragohain) wrote:
: >Hi,
: >
: > Can anybody tell me what are the best recordings of the Brandenburg
: > Concerti by Bach? I have got two - one by Linde Consort (EMI) which
: > I did not like much; the other by Karajan (1966 for DG) which I
: > thought was simply great.
: If you liked the Karajan, I believe there is a Britten cd on London
I don't think they're similar at all; Britten's is a fairly lively modern
chamber orchestra approach with rather more personality than some.
Karajan offers a bloated orchestra with stodgy rhythms and a general sense
of stylistic cluelessness that must be unique. I keep it out of perverse
fascination. Anyway, I would expect that someone who likes Karajan's
wouldn't enjoy Britten's unless he wants something rather different.
: I have heard 5 to date. Goebel on Archiv is... interesting. I enjoy
: the set immensely, but not as a stand alone. Pinnock on Arciv I found
: uneven. The set lacked polish that you can get with a period group.
: Although, it is a fine set. Linde on EMI/Virgin is an OK set. I gave
: mine away. Hogwood on L'oiseau-Lyre is competent. There is nothing
: surprising in it at all. My current favorite is the new Teldec
: release by Il Gardino Armonico (cd number: 4509-98442-2). This is
: very lively performance of the Brandenberg. They are no where near as
: eye opening as their version of Vivaldi's 4 Seasons- although after
: hearing Goebel, it is hard to be more ear-popping.
At the risk of sounding like a stuck record or a salesman, try the new
Stravaganza set on Virgin; certainly more "ear-popping" at times than even
MAK. (I too like the Giardino Armonico; stunning horns in 1 -- but then
so does Stravaganza.)
Simon
Matthew Vaughan
> CONSTANTIN MARCOU (conm...@earthlink.net) wrote:
> : rc...@chiba.netxn.com wrote:
> : >
> : > My very first Brandenburg set was on RCA Victrola with the Collegium
> : > Aureum, one of the very first original instrument recordings. I have
> : > very fond memories of this and have been searching in vain for a CD
> : > reissue. Was it ever issued abroad (it was licensed from Harmonia
> : > Mundi)? Does anyone know where I can find it on CD?
>
>
> : If you find out I would also love to know. I like a lot of the
> : Collegium Aureum's recordings, and I can only find a few here and there
> : in the remainder/cut-out bins. I have been looking for their CD of the
> : Mozart Requiem for two years now -- in both Europe and the United States
> : -- with no luck.
I haven't heard their Brandenburgs, buy my parents have a _very nice_
recording of Collegium Aurem in some other Bach concertos. It is an
extremely good recording! (incidental note: if I listen to this recording
through headphones, and turn up the volume, I can hear birds chirping
outside during the silent moments.)
My personal favorite Brandenburg set is a very spirited reading by Raymond
Leppard with the English Chamber Orchestra, on Philips.
--
Matthew Vaughan
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William Lloyd
At the risk of boring by repitition...but then, some in this thread may not
have seen the earlier one...my favorite was on Nonesuch [in vinyl days] by
Karl Ristenpart & the Chamber Orchestra of the Saar [?], which later,
briefly, appeared on a two-CD set on a label I don't recall, and has not
apparently been available HERE since; but perhaps in Europe????
CONSTANTIN MARCOU <conm...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<3425FE...@earthlink.net>...
> john harkness wrote:
> >
> > John Harkness writes:
> >
> > someone wants an excellent period instrument brandenburgs set?
> >
> > Tafelmusik on Sony which is a magnificent conventional performance
> > (leaves Pinnock in the dust, IMO.
>
> They do a good job on almost anything.
> >
> > Musica Antiqua Koln on Archiv, which is completely nuts.
> >
> I'm impressed with their Heinnichen -- but I don't understand why anyone
> wants a Bach that is "completely nuts" (and I do agree wholeheartedly:
> their tempi sound like a LooneyTunes soundtrack.) Is it just for a
> change? Something different? Surely no-one believes that Bach or the
> players of his time took things _that_ fast?
> >
> > j...@netcom.ca
>
>
john harkness
John Harkness writes -
I missed Con's response, so I'll respond here, apologizing to William
Lloyd, whose post this is not a response to and whose contribution to
the debate I have ruthlessly stripped.
>
> CONSTANTIN MARCOU <conm...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
> <3425FE...@earthlink.net>...
> > > John Harkness writes:
> > > someone wants an excellent period instrument brandenburgs set?
> > > Tafelmusik on Sony which is a magnificent conventional performance
> > > (leaves Pinnock in the dust, IMO.
> > They do a good job on almost anything.
> > > Musica Antiqua Koln on Archiv, which is completely nuts.
> > I'm impressed with their Heinnichen -- but I don't understand why anyone
> > wants a Bach that is "completely nuts" (and I do agree wholeheartedly:
> > their tempi sound like a LooneyTunes soundtrack.) Is it just for a
> > change? Something different? Surely no-one believes that Bach or the
> > players of his time took things _that_ fast?
> > Best regards,
> > Con
I have no idea how fast players of Bach's time took pieces. Don't much
care, really, given how much time Bach spent complaining about the
musicians he had to work with, I'm not sure I'd want to.
The Goebel recording I like because it's enormous fun. Completely nuts
is a compliment.
William Bailer
On 25 Sep 1997, William Lloyd wrote:
>At the risk of boring by repitition...but then, some in this thread may not
>have seen the earlier one...my favorite was on Nonesuch [in vinyl days] by
>Karl Ristenpart & the Chamber Orchestra of the Saar [?], which later,
>briefly, appeared on a two-CD set on a label I don't recall, and has not
>apparently been available HERE since; but perhaps in Europe????
>
>CONSTANTIN MARCOU <conm...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
><3425FE...@earthlink.net>...
I will second that. I have piles of Brandenburgs on both vinyl and
CD's. What do I play? That old Nonesuch. Not only is it the most
musically satisfying, but the sound is very good -- actually the best
that I have heard. Others here have asked about a CD version -- does
anyone know of such a thing?
Bill Bailer
wba...@cris.com, Rochester NY USA, tel:716-473-9556
Acoustics, piano technology, music theory, JSBach
Chang Il Kim
The best balanced, I like Karl Richter with Munchener Bach-Orchester.
There's various speed on this concertos. Especially on Nr.6 B-dur
BWV1051.
I can easily compare the balance of this concertos with No.6.
That means what the best concertos is depend on No.6. And at last
other No.s also follow to this.
CONSTANTIN MARCOU
Simon Roberts wrote:
>
> CONSTANTIN MARCOU (conm...@earthlink.net) wrote:
> : rc...@chiba.netxn.com wrote:
> : >
> : > My very first Brandenburg set was on RCA Victrola with the Collegium
> : > Aureum, one of the very first original instrument recordings. I have
> : > very fond memories of this and have been searching in vain for a CD
> : > reissue. Was it ever issued abroad (it was licensed from Harmonia
> : > Mundi)? Does anyone know where I can find it on CD?
>
> : If you find out I would also love to know. I like a lot of the
> : Collegium Aureum's recordings, and I can only find a few here and there
> : in the remainder/cut-out bins. I have been looking for their CD of the
> : Mozart Requiem for two years now -- in both Europe and the United States
> : -- with no luck.
>
> If you ever find the Requiem, please let me know. Many of their
> recordings have shown up on a mid-priced Deutsche Harmonia Mundi series
> that is available in the US only as special imports in some Towers as far
> as I know. If you want more details, send me a note and I can tell you
> some of what's available (the booklets of those I have include a catalog
> of sorts).
>
> Simon
Thank you for the offer, Simon. I have a copy of the BMG/RCA Victrola
CD, licensed from Deutsche Harmonia Mundi, of Symphonies ## 40 & 41,
which contains the catalog in its liner notes. (This was Victrola's
"Mozart Edition" issued in conjunction with the bicentennial.) It lists
the Requiem as catalog # 77585-2RV. I just can't _find_ the dad-burned
thing anywhere (and am told that it is out of print in the US). Is this
what you are referring to? Or is there another series that is currently
being imported? I've seen some Collegium Aureum recordings on Harmonia
Mundi's "Editio Classica" series -- but the Mozart Requiem is not among
them.
Matthew B. Tepper
In article <342C80...@earthlink.net>, conm...@earthlink.net is
alleged to have said...
>
This afternoon, I saw a copy of the Collegium Aureum Brandenburgs (and
Overtures!) at a certain used record store in West Los Angeles -- you
know the one!
--
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My personal home page -- http://www.deltanet.com/~ducky/index.htm
My main music page --- http://www.deltanet.com/~ducky/berlioz.htm
And my science fiction club's home page --- http://www.lasfs.org/
S. Chih
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:42:28 -0700, CONSTANTIN MARCOU
<conm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I've seen some Collegium Aureum recordings on Harmonia
>Mundi's "Editio Classica" series -- but the Mozart Requiem
>is not among them.
I am afraid that you have to find it in Japan or in Taiwan.
In 1995, BMG Victor in Tokyo released a series of Collegium Aureum's
recordings (30 CDs in 15 2-for-1 sets), including some of their Bach,
Handel, Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert recordings. The no. of the
Mozart Requiem is BVCD-8825-26. It comes with the Beethoven Missa
Solemnis. See if any store in the N. America can order for you. Good
luck! Our local stores in Taipei are selling them at 10-12 US dollars
per set. Real bargains!
Simon Roberts
S. Chih (scc...@saturn.ihp.sinica.edu.tw) wrote:
: I am afraid that you have to find it in Japan or in Taiwan.
: In 1995, BMG Victor in Tokyo released a series of Collegium Aureum's
: recordings (30 CDs in 15 2-for-1 sets), including some of their Bach,
: Handel, Mozart, Beethoven and Schubert recordings. The no. of the
: Mozart Requiem is BVCD-8825-26. It comes with the Beethoven Missa
: Solemnis. See if any store in the N. America can order for you. Good
: luck! Our local stores in Taipei are selling them at 10-12 US dollars
: per set. Real bargains!
Thanks for the tantalizing information.
Simon
Simon Roberts
CONSTANTIN MARCOU (conm...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: Thank you for the offer, Simon. I have a copy of the BMG/RCA Victrola
: CD, licensed from Deutsche Harmonia Mundi, of Symphonies ## 40 & 41,
: which contains the catalog in its liner notes. (This was Victrola's
: "Mozart Edition" issued in conjunction with the bicentennial.) It lists
: the Requiem as catalog # 77585-2RV. I just can't _find_ the dad-burned
: thing anywhere (and am told that it is out of print in the US). Is this
: what you are referring to?
The requiem was never released in the U.S., and I don't think it was ever
released anywhere in that series, which I believe was abandoned before
completion (can anyone confirm this?).
Or is there another series that is currently
: being imported? I've seen some Collegium Aureum recordings on Harmonia
: Mundi's "Editio Classica" series -- but the Mozart Requiem is not among
: them.
The series to which I was referring is called "Baroque Esprit" on Deutsche
Harmonia Mundi (it's not all baroque, though). It's a budget label in the
UK and sells mid-price in Tower (who import it). Mostly it consists of
Harmonia Mundi recordings from the 1970s or thereabouts: Collegium Aureum
doing Haydn Piano Concerto 11 with Demus and the Sinfonia Concertante, CPE
Bach double concerti, JS/CPE Bach magnificats, JS Bach Triple etc
concerti, Handel Fireworks/Water music, Mozart concerti 8/23/26 Demus,
Rameau suites, Vivaldi 4 seasons etc., Handel organ cti op.4 -- as well as
discs by others. Let me know if any of these is of interest and I'll send
catalogue numbers (there may be more; I'm looking at the catalogue as
listed in the booklet to Demus's Schubert 960/894).
Simon
Allison Hershey
Peter Houck wrote:
>
> SEON has reissued the Leonhardt Consort late 70's recording of these
> with Bylsma, Leonhardt, Brueggen, Kuijken brother, et al...
>
> I love the 5th and 6th in this series. The brass seems a bit out of
> tune in the Concerti in which brass is employed, (1, 2, 3?) which
> might be an artifact of the "original instruments".
>
> In all, these are unique, and quite arresting, in spots. The second
> movement of the 5th is outstanding. It is hard to imagine it played
> any better.
I (Matthew B. Tepper, not the person whose computer I am using) really
liked this set when it was new. And when I got the CD reissue, I found
to my great pleasure that I still like it very much. The reviewer for
_ARG_ didn't like it, apparently because the horns remind him of "a bevy
of ducks" which engage in "quacking and honking" their way through the
music -- not something which bothers me, however.
Peter Houck
SEON has reissued the Leonhardt Consort late 70's recording of these
with Bylsma, Leonhardt, Brueggen, Kuijken brother, et al...
I love the 5th and 6th in this series. The brass seems a bit out of tune
in the Concerti in which brass is employed, (1, 2, 3?) which might
be an artifact of the "original instruments".
In all, these are unique, and quite arresting, in spots. The second movement
of the 5th is outstanding. It is hard to imagine it played any better.
-Peter
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William Lloyd
As I said, I have it on CD. The label is "Accord," whatever that is (or
was). It may have been a label for a French firm, I'm not sure. I got it
years ago, and have never seen it in "the bins" since. Good luck!
William Bailer <Wba...@cris.com> wrote in article
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