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Christopher Choi Chung

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Oct 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/16/95
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Hi,

Here's a silly question. Does Linux have a unofficial Mascott? BSD does.

You know the little red daemon (demon). As passionate as Linux users can

be about Linux you'd expect there so be some wacky movement of

camaraderie.

Ok <slap> maybe we don't need one ;) but having one might be fun.


Thanks,

Topher

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Patrick J. Volkerding

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Oct 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/16/95
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Christopher Choi Chung (cch...@pneumatix.cs.uoregon.edu) wrote:
: Hi,

: Here's a silly question. Does Linux have a unofficial Mascott? BSD does.
: You know the little red daemon (demon). As passionate as Linux users can
: be about Linux you'd expect there so be some wacky movement of
: camaraderie.

Sure thing -- The Linux platypus! :^)

The Walnut Creek Slackware Linux CDROM has a platypus on the cover, and
InfoMagic sells Linux platypus t-shirts. There's a picture of that logo
on sunsite.unc.edu in /pub/Linux/logos/animals.

It hasn't really caught on like the BSD daemon, but we're working on it.

Pat


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Hi,

Here's a silly question. Does Linux have a unofficial Mascott? BSD does.

You know the little red daemon (demon). As passionate as Linux users can

be about Linux you'd expect there so be some wacky movement of

camaraderie.

Ok <slap> maybe we don't need one ;) but having one might be fun.

gonzo%magnet.mednet.net%f41.n109.z1

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Oct 16, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/16/95
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Christopher Choi Chung (cch...@pneumatix.cs.uoregon.edu) wrote:

: Hi,


: Here's a silly question. Does Linux have a unofficial Mascott? BSD does.
: You know the little red daemon (demon). As passionate as Linux users can
: be about Linux you'd expect there so be some wacky movement of
: camaraderie.

Sure thing -- The Linux platypus! :^)

cchung%pneumatix.cs.uoregon.edu%f41

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Hi,

Here's a silly question. Does Linux have a unofficial Mascott? BSD does.

You know the little red daemon (demon). As passionate as Linux users can

be about Linux you'd expect there so be some wacky movement of

camaraderie.

Ok <slap> maybe we don't need one ;) but having one might be fun.

cchung%pneumati...@f41.n109.z1.his.com

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Bill Parke

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Oct 17, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/17/95
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>In article <45t6qt$j...@pyrix.cs.uoregon.edu>, cch...@pneumatix.cs.uoregon.edu (Christopher Choi Chung) writes:
Hi,

>Here's a silly question. Does Linux have a unofficial Mascott? BSD does.

Perhaps the most representative would be a bottle of beer with legs ?

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Craig Maloney

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Oct 20, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/20/95
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Christopher Choi Chung (cch...@pneumatix.cs.uoregon.edu) wrote:
: Hi,

: Here's a silly question. Does Linux have a unofficial Mascott? BSD does.

: You know the little red daemon (demon). As passionate as Linux users can

: be about Linux you'd expect there so be some wacky movement of

: camaraderie.

: Ok <slap> maybe we don't need one ;) but having one might be fun.

I thought the mascot was Linus with a bottle of beer plastered to his lips.

: Thanks,

: Topher

: Christopher C. Chung
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rodney d slone

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I like the blue and white picture of the whale that says linux across the top.
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James B. Hiller

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Andrew Mileski (dmt...@magi.com) wrote:
: Patrick J. Volkerding (go...@magnet.mednet.net) wrote:

: > Christopher Choi Chung (cch...@pneumatix.cs.uoregon.edu) wrote:
: > : Hi,
: > : Here's a silly question. Does Linux have a unofficial Mascott? BSD does.
: > : You know the little red daemon (demon). As passionate as Linux users can
: > : be about Linux you'd expect there so be some wacky movement of
: > : camaraderie.

: > Sure thing -- The Linux platypus! :^)

What about the stallion I see on the cover of "Running Linux"? Is that
solely an O'Reilly creation, or has that been used in other Linux
places? When I got the book, the thought struck me that I had seen
that before on something to do with Linux.

In any case, it's cool - very distinguished, yet lean and fast...seems
like a perfect match.

jbh


BOFH

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Oct 22, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/22/95
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On 16 Oct 1995, Christopher Choi Chung wrote:
> Hi,
> Here's a silly question. Does Linux have a unofficial Mascott?

If I remember correctly it's a Platypus.

Shannon.

Peter Suetterlin

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Oct 22, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/22/95
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Linus Torvalds (torv...@cc.Helsinki.FI) wrote:
: In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.951022041333.321C-100000@rlyeh>,
: BOFH <smu...@earthlight.co.nz> wrote:
: >
: >If I remember correctly it's a Platypus.

: I personally like penguins, but I seem to be in a minority of one.

Hu, how are they related to Linux? But, OTOH, how's a Platypus connected
to Linux...
Anyway, is there some penguin logo around?

Peter

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Linus Torvalds

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Oct 22, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/22/95
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In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.951022041333.321C-100000@rlyeh>,
BOFH <smu...@earthlight.co.nz> wrote:
>On 16 Oct 1995, Christopher Choi Chung wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Here's a silly question. Does Linux have a unofficial Mascott?
>
>If I remember correctly it's a Platypus.

Well, the platypus is certainly one of the unofficial ones. There are
other ones: some people advocated the seagull (it can be found on some
of the logos floating around), and others liked the 3D shark-logo
somebody made.

I personally like penguins, but I seem to be in a minority of one.

Linus

Mean Green Dancing Machine

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In article <46dar1$3...@klaava.helsinki.fi>,

Linus Torvalds <torv...@cc.Helsinki.FI> wrote:
>
>I personally like penguins, but I seem to be in a minority of one.

Penguin lust!
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David Whysong

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Oct 22, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/22/95
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Hmm, how about an ELF?

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Robert Hart

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Oct 24, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/24/95
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Patrick J. Volkerding (go...@magnet.mednet.net) wrote:


: Sure thing -- The Linux platypus! :^)

: The Walnut Creek Slackware Linux CDROM has a platypus on the cover, and


: InfoMagic sells Linux platypus t-shirts. There's a picture of that logo
: on sunsite.unc.edu in /pub/Linux/logos/animals.

: It hasn't really caught on like the BSD daemon, but we're working on it.

As an antipodean Linux user, I vote a resounding "YES!" for a platypus
logo.

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Paul Gortmaker

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Oct 25, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/25/95
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torv...@cc.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds) writes:

>Well, the platypus is certainly one of the unofficial ones. There are
>other ones: some people advocated the seagull (it can be found on some
>of the logos floating around), and others liked the 3D shark-logo
>somebody made.

>I personally like penguins, but I seem to be in a minority of one.

A penguin would be cool, but it has to be a penguin with an attitude. The
ideal penguin would be the evil one from "Wallace and Grommit: The Wrong
Trousers"* -- anybody got a public domain GIF of him that can be put
into linux/Documentation/logo.gif ???

*[Wallace and Grommit: The Wrong Trousers" is an excellent hand-made
animation about 20mins long made in the UK, circa 1987 I think. It won
several Academy awards or something like that. One really must see it.]

Paul.

Anselm Lingnau

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Oct 26, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/26/95
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In article <46dar1$3...@klaava.helsinki.fi>,
Linus Torvalds <torv...@cc.Helsinki.FI> wrote:

> I personally like penguins, but I seem to be in a minority of one.
>

> Linus

No, you aren't. Penguins would be fine with me.

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Jason Christian

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Oct 26, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/26/95
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In article <46isob$4...@hedunx.hedland.edu.au>,

Robert Hart <ha...@hedunx.hedland.edu.au> wrote:
>Patrick J. Volkerding (go...@magnet.mednet.net) wrote:
>
>
>: Sure thing -- The Linux platypus! :^)
>
>As an antipodean Linux user, I vote a resounding "YES!" for a platypus
>logo.

... wouldn't the Wombat make a decent mascot for Bill Gates' shop?


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Craig Maloney

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Oct 26, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/26/95
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Linus Torvalds (torv...@cc.Helsinki.FI) wrote:
: In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.951022041333.321C-100000@rlyeh>,

: BOFH <smu...@earthlight.co.nz> wrote:
: >On 16 Oct 1995, Christopher Choi Chung wrote:
: >> Hi,
: >> Here's a silly question. Does Linux have a unofficial Mascott?
: >
: >If I remember correctly it's a Platypus.

: Well, the platypus is certainly one of the unofficial ones. There are


: other ones: some people advocated the seagull (it can be found on some
: of the logos floating around), and others liked the 3D shark-logo
: somebody made.

: I personally like penguins, but I seem to be in a minority of one.

: Linus

How about a penguin in an daemon suit? :)

David Thomas Richard Given

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Oct 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/28/95
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In article <46dar1$3...@klaava.helsinki.fi>,
Linus Torvalds <torv...@cc.Helsinki.FI> wrote:
>Well, the platypus is certainly one of the unofficial ones. There are
>other ones: some people advocated the seagull (it can be found on some
>of the logos floating around), and others liked the 3D shark-logo
>somebody made.
>
>I personally like penguins, but I seem to be in a minority of one.

I like the one with a seagull *and* a shark... :)

Maybe the mascot should be a picture of someone trying to decide what
mascot to use?

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Oct 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/28/95
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In <46npbu$9...@deneb.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> Anselm Lingnau

<lin...@tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> writes:
>
>In article <46dar1$3...@klaava.helsinki.fi>,
>Linus Torvalds <torv...@cc.Helsinki.FI> wrote:
>
>> I personally like penguins, but I seem to be in a minority of one.
>>
>> Linus
>
>No, you aren't. Penguins would be fine with me.
>

Ditto. Anyone else?

ant
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Yoo Chul Chung

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Oct 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/28/95
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Me, too!

(Sorry for a "me too" post. ;)

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Matt Welsh

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Oct 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/28/95
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In article <46dar1$3...@klaava.helsinki.fi>,
Linus Torvalds <torv...@cc.Helsinki.FI> wrote:
>Well, the platypus is certainly one of the unofficial ones. There are
>other ones: some people advocated the seagull (it can be found on some
>of the logos floating around),

For the O'Reilly Linux books, originally we were going to adapt the
storm petrel (seagull). Then it was decided that the Linux books should
start a new series, not part of the Nutshell books. So cowboys it was.

>I personally like penguins, but I seem to be in a minority of one.

LINUS TORVALDS ANNOUNCES HE IS A PENGUIN. FILM AT ELEVEN.

mdw

Ender Wiggin

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Oct 29, 1995, 2:00:00 AM10/29/95
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>>Linus Torvalds <torv...@cc.Helsinki.FI> wrote:
>>> I personally like penguins, but I seem to be in a minority of one.

Works for me.
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S. Keeling

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Oct 30, 1995, 3:00:00 AM10/30/95
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In article <46u2v7$l...@sindri.cs.cornell.edu>,
Matt Welsh <m...@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
>In article <46dar1$3...@klaava.helsinki.fi>,

>Linus Torvalds <torv...@cc.Helsinki.FI> wrote:
>
>>I personally like penguins, but I seem to be in a minority of one.
>
>LINUS TORVALDS ANNOUNCES HE IS A PENGUIN. FILM AT ELEVEN.

He said he *likes* penguins, not that he *is* one. I like
girls [women/womyn/eligible females, ...], but I can pretty well
guarantee that they look nothing like me.

Oh, yeah... My vote is for the storm petrel/seagull. Nothing
describes these newsgroups (c.o.l.*) as well as does a circling cloud
of seagulls.

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B. James Phillippe

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On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, Tom Goodale wrote:

> In article <46snuc$q...@sun330.snu.ac.kr>


> wa...@power3.snu.ac.kr "Yoo Chul Chung" writes:
>
> > plu...@ix.netcom.com (A. Anthony Castillo ) wrote:
> > >In <46npbu$9...@deneb.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> Anselm Lingnau
> > ><lin...@tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> writes:

> > >>In article <46dar1$3...@klaava.helsinki.fi>,
> > >>Linus Torvalds <torv...@cc.Helsinki.FI> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I personally like penguins, but I seem to be in a minority of one.
> > >>>

> > >>> Linus
> > >>
> > >>No, you aren't. Penguins would be fine with me.
> > >
> > > Ditto. Anyone else?
> >
> > Me, too!
>

> Count me in. 8-)
>
> Tom.

Someone (Linus?) said there was a shark logo? I'd be interested in
seeing that one if anyone knows where I can find it. I think that it
would be cool to have a special Linux logo. Something to draw on
bathroom stalls and stuff, 'ya know? =]

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Jose Manuel Cerqueira Esteves

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Nov 1, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/1/95
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Yes, I am also in the "penguins minority" (a "cool" choice?).

JM

Robert Hart

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Jacob C Kesinger (n914...@rowlf.cc.wwu.edu) wrote:
: I don't know if I like platypusses as a logo for Linux; they're nice animals
: but do we really want Linux to be associated with an animal evolution forgot
: 60 million years ago? There's a reason monotremes only live in Australia...

Hmm - I am tempted to retort that the reason there are no monotremes in
the USA is because the Yanks shot them all...but that would be unfair,
now, wouldn't it <grin>.

An interesting point about the platypus is that it is (as far as I know)
the only mammal that is venomous. This could make for an interesting
logo, with a platypus spiking it's venom into a logo we all know and love...

: Now emus. Emus are nifty.

Agreed - and they also move at considerable speed, like Linux!

Jay Belanger

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In article
<Pine.LNX.3.91.95110113...@titania.cc.fc.ul.pt> Jose
Manuel Cerqueira Esteves <est...@titania.cc.fc.ul.pt> writes:
>
>
> Yes, I am also in the "penguins minority" (a "cool" choice?).
>
> JM
Yeah, pretty cool.
The first time I took a ride on a helicopter (well, the only time)
the pilot told me where the name "whirlybird" came from. (I make
no claims about his accuracy.) He said that people had always said
that penguins couldn't fly, but that actually they will swim quite
fast and then take off from the water and soar. When helicopters
came about (he said), people said they wouldn't fly, but lo and
behold, they soared. Hence, the "bird" in "whirlybird" is a
penguin. (Again, he said.)
Anyhow, I suppose if some people had originally said that Linux
wouldn't fly (figuratively speaking), then penguin seems an
appropriate mascot.

Jay

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Robert Hart (ha...@hedunx.hedland.edu.au) wrote:

: : Now emus. Emus are nifty.

: Agreed - and they also move at considerable speed, like Linux!

How about a cheetah?

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Jay Belanger (bela...@vh207a.nemostate.edu) wrote:
> He said that people had always said
> that penguins couldn't fly, but that actually they will swim quite
> fast and then take off from the water and soar.

Penguins are *OFTEN* described as "flying" through the water, because of
their speed, grace, and maneuverability below the surface.

They are also fun to watch as they play on ice floes (they act like little
kids as they slide on the ice).

How about an Emperor penguin as a mascott 'cause their not afraid of
anything (but then again they have no predator to fear). They are also
colourful (black, white, and orange).

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Agris Taurins

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In article <46snuc$q...@sun330.snu.ac.kr>,

Yoo Chul Chung <wa...@power3.snu.ac.kr> wrote:
>plu...@ix.netcom.com (A. Anthony Castillo ) wrote:
>>In <46npbu$9...@deneb.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> Anselm Lingnau
>><lin...@tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> writes:
>>>In article <46dar1$3...@klaava.helsinki.fi>,
>>>Linus Torvalds <torv...@cc.Helsinki.FI> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I personally like penguins, but I seem to be in a minority of one.
>>>>
>>>> Linus
>>>
>>>No, you aren't. Penguins would be fine with me.
>>
>> Ditto. Anyone else?
>
>Me, too!

As long as we're voting, the penguin party get's my vote.

But the question then becomes, what species of penguin?


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Warwick Allison (war...@cs.uq.edu.au) wrote:
: Linux:
:
: 1. It's small.
: 2. It's fast.
: 3. It's in every home where there's cold pizza.
: 4. You don't have to pay to get it.
: 5. It can survive anything.
: 6. You can stomp on it and knock half its guts out and
: it'll just keep running.
:
: So the mascott should be a cockroach!
:
<laugh>

Umm...An ant is the same way.=)

"Atom Ant for Linux" =-)


BENJAMIN A LINDSTROM

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df...@belvdere.vip.best.com wrote:

: Robert Hart (ha...@hedunx.hedland.edu.au) wrote:
:
: : : Now emus. Emus are nifty.
:
: : Agreed - and they also move at considerable speed, like Linux!
:
: How about a cheetah?
:
Umm...Over used...I should know..=) I've used it on 5 different projects
(not my choice!!)


Peter Kukla

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In article <46opf6$j...@mark.ucdavis.edu>,

Jason Christian <ja...@primal.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>
>... wouldn't the Wombat make a decent mascot for Bill Gates' shop?
>
>(...eats roots and leaves...)


I like the platypus for Linux. However, I think that the Wombat
would be a little too flattering for Gates. How about a hyena? They
prey upon the weak and defenseless, when they go after live food at all.

Peter


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Nov 13, 1995, 3:00:00 AM11/13/95
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Peter Kukla (pku...@coil.com) wrote:
: In article <46opf6$j...@mark.ucdavis.edu>,

: Jason Christian <ja...@primal.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
: >
: >... wouldn't the Wombat make a decent mascot for Bill Gates' shop?
: >
: >(...eats roots and leaves...)


: I like the platypus for Linux. However, I think that the Wombat
: would be a little too flattering for Gates. How about a hyena? They
: prey upon the weak and defenseless, when they go after live food at all.

...having been to Australia and spent a goodly amount of time touring
around there when I was there, I never once saw a Wombat even though I
was told I couldn't miss hitting one somewhere on the road. Even the
ones in the zoo I visited (well, you just *have* to pet the kangeroos)
were hiding so well that nobody could find them. From this, I have
determined that the wombat is a figment of the australian imagination.

...but I do like the platypus. After all, we're the odd creature that
is surviving quite nicely, thank-you-very-much-mr-gates... Besides,
Platipuseseseseseses are cute...

cde

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A Shelton

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emer...@cps.msu.edu (Carl D Emery) writes:

>...having been to Australia and spent a goodly amount of time touring
>around there when I was there, I never once saw a Wombat even though I
>was told I couldn't miss hitting one somewhere on the road. Even the
>ones in the zoo I visited (well, you just *have* to pet the kangeroos)
>were hiding so well that nobody could find them. From this, I have
>determined that the wombat is a figment of the australian imagination.

>...but I do like the platypus. After all, we're the odd creature that
>is surviving quite nicely, thank-you-very-much-mr-gates... Besides,
>Platipuseseseseseses are cute...

Yeah, the platupus is Okay. I liked one guy's suggestions of the
cockroach..but we need something constructive rather than destructive.
I vote for an Ant.

Metallic rendered, in sunglasses.

(And let's just forget about penguins).

On the other hand, the concept of a whole menagerie of mascots may be
even more Linuxy...or so say the linux users of the gilded ant :)

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Andrew Shelton s940...@yallara.cs.rmit.edu.au
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