Brandenburg Concertos..
Aloysia
Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
concertos? I got a harmonia mundi box set with the Akadamie für Alte
Musik Berlin, but even my roommate agrees that the horns sound a little
obnoxious at times...especially in the first mvt of the first
concerto...=)
Aloysia
HellSpree
Trevor Pinnock and the English Concert on Archive. You get the four Orchestral
Suites along with all six Brandenburgs on three disks for about $30. These are
probably the most healthy renderings of the Brandenburgs I've heard on period
instruments.
John Edwards
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> Hey,
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
> concertos?
1. English Concert / Pinnock on Archiv. This is one of the few HIP
recordings I actually enjoy listening to. Very athletic performances and
surprisingly free of vinegar.
2. If you want very stylish, non-HIP performances, try the ECO / Britten set
in the London "Double Decker" series. Britten is more subdued than Pinnock,
but also more graceful.
3. A historic recommendation would be the Busch Chamber Players, available
on Pearl. Be aware, of course, that the sound quality is very much of its
period (mid-30s), and that piano (played by Rudolf Serkin) is used instead
of harpsichord in the continuo.
4. And, finally, cross your fingers that maybe someday Goberman's set with
the New York Sinfonietta may see the light of day on CD.
---
John Edwards
jedw...@iag.net
Jaime Jean
quite "obnoxious" too.
Jaime
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> Hey,
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
> concertos? I got a harmonia mundi box set with the Akadamie für Alte
Simon Roberts
: Trevor Pinnock and the English Concert on Archive. You get the four Orchestral
: Suites along with all six Brandenburgs on three disks for about $30. These are
: probably the most healthy renderings of the Brandenburgs I've heard on period
: instruments.
Most conventional, perhaps. Is that what "most healthy" means?
Simon
Thomas Deas
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Don't you find HIP strings sound a little wheezy at times?
van...@my-deja.com
Regards
In article <38537BB8...@excite.com>,
Aloysia <alo...@excite.com> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach
Brandenburg
> concertos? I got a harmonia mundi box set with the Akadamie für Alte
> Musik Berlin, but even my roommate agrees that the horns sound a
little
> obnoxious at times...especially in the first mvt of the first
> concerto...=)
> Aloysia
>
>
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Before you buy.
Marc Perman
>I'm wanting to obtain the Gramophone Disc of the Year: being Rusalka on Decca
>with Renee Fleming;Czech Phil & Mackerras. Has anyone recently purchased this
>opera at a brilliantly cheap price?
>Cheers,
Your use of the terms "brilliantly" and "cheers" seems to place you
out of the jurisdiction of BMG music club in the US, where the Rusalka
with shipping costs around $21.
Marc Perman
Marc Perman
>>
>>Hey,
>>
>> Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
>>concertos? I got a harmonia mundi box set with the Akadamie für Alte
>>Musik Berlin, but even my roommate agrees that the horns sound a little
>>obnoxious at times...especially in the first mvt of the first
>>concerto...=)
>>Aloysia
>>
>
>Trevor Pinnock and the English Concert on Archive. You get the four Orchestral
>Suites along with all six Brandenburgs on three disks for about $30. These are
>probably the most healthy renderings of the Brandenburgs I've heard on period
>instruments.
I believe Simon recently listed several HIP Brandenburg
recommendations, all of which are probably superior to Pinnock. One of
these I can confirm: Il Giardino Armonico. The Pinnock is also
saddled with his dreary set of the Suites. Perhaps the original
poster doesn't care for period sound, in which case a modern
instruments set like the Britten would be the way to go.
Marc Perman
mif
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>
> About 4 years ago I was given the Brandenburg concerti by the Philharmonia
> Slavonia Orchestra under Karel Brazda. I can't say that they are the best
> thing since penis-enlargement but neither can I say that they are
> worthless. They are just one more recording; an introduction to the works.
> I would recommend them only if one's budget is extremely limited.
>
> A few weeks ago I was watching a CBC documentary about music publishing
> and a blue-suit from New York was saying that there are many recordings on
> the market currently that are attributed to non-existent orchestras and
> conductors. The suit gave as examples the Philharmonia Slavonia
> Orchestra, the Thessalonika Symphonic Ensemble, Karel Brazda and Alberto
> Lizzio. If this is so, then how do I go about finding out who the hell is
> actually playing and conducting my recordings?
I can't help you with that question, but I will note that these guys and
their mates seem to be responsible for at least 75% of what's currently
being offered in eBay's classical CD listings!
--
Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
My main music page --- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
"Compassionate Conservatism?" * "Tight Slacks?" * "Jumbo Shrimp?"
Matthew B. Tepper
sell the Karajan _La Boheme_ on Decca, with Pavarotti and Freni, asking
an opening bid of $19.99, and claimed that it was "rare" and "hard to
find."
What was really amusing was that at the same time there were two other
sellers offering the exact same recording, one at a minimum of $9.99 and
the other at $10.00!
Tony Vella wrote:
>
> That's very true. And what sasses me more than anything else is the way
> the CDs are represented by some vendors: rare, exceptional, historic,
> must-have. I mean, for some people Carlotta Iglesias and Vanessa-Mae are
> must-have. And now, to add insult to injury, there are occasions when one
> cannot be sure that the performers listed even exist !!! About a month
> ago I started being rather careful what to bid on at eBay.
> --
> tony....@sympatico.ca
>
> Matthew B. Tepper <o...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:38545458...@earthlink.net...
pharben
with Renee Fleming;Czech Phil & Mackerras. Has anyone recently purchased this
opera at a brilliantly cheap price?
Cheers,
Paul
HellSpree
>
I don't see how *healthy* suggests conventional (although if you want to call
these performances conventional, so be it); I would think healthy would more
immediately bring to mind energetic, athletic, vigorous, etc.
Simon Roberts
: >Most conventional, perhaps. Is that what "most healthy" means?
: >
: >Simon
Yes, but Pinnock's isn't any of those things.
Simon
Sol L. Siegel
>Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach
>Brandenburg concertos?
My usual suspect: Leonhardt on Sony Seon (2fer) or Essential
Classics (2 separate discs, same price. Go figure.) Since
hearing this I've never been satisfied with modern
instruments.
-Sol Siegel, Philadelphia, PA
---------------------------------------------------------
"The worst thing about Y2K is that we'll wake up on Jan. 1 and find that
nothing has changed."
(Remove "junkfree" from the end of my e-mail address to re
Tony Vella
Slavonia Orchestra under Karel Brazda. I can't say that they are the best
thing since penis-enlargement but neither can I say that they are worthless.
They are just one more recording; an introduction to the works. I would
recommend them only if one's budget is extremely limited.
A few weeks ago I was watching a CBC documentary about music publishing and
a blue-suit from New York was saying that there are many recordings on the
market currently that are attributed to non-existent orchestras and
conductors. The suit gave as examples the Philharmonia Slavonia Orchestra,
the Thessalonika Symphonic Ensemble, Karel Brazda and Alberto Lizzio. If
this is so, then how do I go about finding out who the hell is actually
playing and conducting my recordings?
Aloysia <alo...@excite.com> wrote in message
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> Hey,
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
HellSpree
>
>Simon
>
I beg to differ; then again, that's just what I hear.
Orhan Yenen
Britten/ECO (London). I also recommend Baumgartner/Festival Strings
Lucerne (Eurodisc). You will also get the bonus of the Orchestral
Suites 1-4 (total of 3 CDs) at $15 or so.
Orhan Yenen
Aloysia <alo...@excite.com> wrote in article
<38537BB8...@excite.com>...
Tony Vella
CDs are represented by some vendors: rare, exceptional, historic, must-have.
I mean, for some people Carlotta Iglesias and Vanessa-Mae are must-have. And
now, to add insult to injury, there are occasions when one cannot be sure
that the performers listed even exist !!! About a month ago I started being
rather careful what to bid on at eBay.
--
tony....@sympatico.ca
Matthew B. Tepper <o...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Tony Vella wrote:
> >
> > About 4 years ago I was given the Brandenburg concerti by the
Philharmonia
> > Slavonia Orchestra under Karel Brazda. I can't say that they are the
best
> > thing since penis-enlargement but neither can I say that they are
> > worthless. They are just one more recording; an introduction to the
works.
> > I would recommend them only if one's budget is extremely limited.
> >
> > A few weeks ago I was watching a CBC documentary about music publishing
> > and a blue-suit from New York was saying that there are many recordings
on
> > the market currently that are attributed to non-existent orchestras and
> > conductors. The suit gave as examples the Philharmonia Slavonia
> > Orchestra, the Thessalonika Symphonic Ensemble, Karel Brazda and Alberto
> > Lizzio. If this is so, then how do I go about finding out who the hell
is
> > actually playing and conducting my recordings?
>
Johan van Veen
Aloysia wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
> concertos? I got a harmonia mundi box set with the Akadamie für Alte
> Musik Berlin, but even my roommate agrees that the horns sound a little
> obnoxious at times...especially in the first mvt of the first
> concerto...=)
> Aloysia
If you want HIP, Leonhardt gives a very good performance, with excellent
players in his ensemble (Sony/SEON). Very unconventional, as always, is
Musica antiqua Köln (DG Archiv).
In case you prefer - or don't mind - modern instruments, I would recommend
the HIP-influenced Combattimento Consort Amsterdam - in fact a lot more HIP
than some real HIP-performances. All information about this recording, with
extracts to listen to, is on http://www.cddiscovery.com/ccbracon.html.
Interesting is the recording of the early versions of these concertos by
the Academy of Ancient Music on Decca/l'Oiseau Lyre - not first-class
performances, though.
--
Johan van Veen
Utrecht (Netherlands)
jvv...@casema.net
ubi deus ibi pax
Delius (alan)
HellSpree wrote:
> >
> >Hey,
> >
> > Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
> >concertos? I got a harmonia mundi box set with the Akadamie für Alte
> >Musik Berlin, but even my roommate agrees that the horns sound a little
> >obnoxious at times...especially in the first mvt of the first
> >concerto...=)
> >Aloysia
> >
>
> Trevor Pinnock and the English Concert on Archive. You get the four Orchestral
> Suites along with all six Brandenburgs on three disks for about $30. These are
> probably the most healthy renderings of the Brandenburgs I've heard on period
> instruments.
I second this vote. Great tempi, good sound. The best all-around intro to the
BConcerti.
delius
Delius (alan)
Marc Perman wrote:
> hell...@aol.com (HellSpree) wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Hey,
> >>
> >> Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
> >>concertos? I got a harmonia mundi box set with the Akadamie für Alte
> >>Musik Berlin, but even my roommate agrees that the horns sound a little
> >>obnoxious at times...especially in the first mvt of the first
> >>concerto...=)
> >>Aloysia
> >>
> >
> >Trevor Pinnock and the English Concert on Archive. You get the four Orchestral
> >Suites along with all six Brandenburgs on three disks for about $30. These are
> >probably the most healthy renderings of the Brandenburgs I've heard on period
> >instruments.
>
> I believe Simon recently listed several HIP Brandenburg
> recommendations, all of which are probably superior to Pinnock. One of
> these I can confirm: Il Giardino Armonico. The Pinnock is also
> saddled with his dreary set of the Suites. Perhaps the original
> poster doesn't care for period sound, in which case a modern
> instruments set like the Britten would be the way to go.
>
> Marc Perman
I've got both Pinnock and Il Giardino (along with several other versions). Il
Giardino is a bit too muscular for Bach, IMHO. They're great with Vivaldi and the
other Italians, and although I do enjoy their Brandenburg recording, it pales next
to Pinnock's.
Delius
Norman Schwartz
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
> concertos? I got a harmonia mundi box set with the Akadamie für Alte
> Musik Berlin, but even my roommate agrees that the horns sound a little
> obnoxious at times...especially in the first mvt of the first
> concerto...=)
> Aloysia
Try Winschermann/Deutsche Bachsolisten on 2 Laserlight CDs;14131 and 14132,
(Orchestral Suites 1 and 2 included on the former). Inexpensive, with very
good sound and performances.
Norman
David R L Porter
from Johan van Veen <jvv...@casema.net> contains these words:
> Interesting is the recording of the early versions of these concertos by
> the Academy of Ancient Music on Decca/l'Oiseau Lyre - not first-class
> performances, though.
Maybe not first class -- but I have found them consistently enjoyable
since buying them over a year ago. They have been a constant delight,
recapturing the feelings I had when I first heard these concertos all
those years ago. I bought them after putting up with the Linde
Consort's set, about which I've moaned a bit here -- to my ears it's
very bland -- but have played them far more than I ever played the Lindes.
I also have Pommer's Leipzig set (splendidly obnoxious horns!) on
cassette, which I also enjoy very much, but lately have been thinking
that as both these sets are the early versions I really need to get a
CD set of the conventional editions as well. After following this
thread with great interest I think I'm going to go for Pinnock.
I might, on the other hand, do what I've done with the unaccompanied
violin sonatas; as I have several recordings of these on tape and LP,
I decided, when looking for CD versions, to split between van Dael
and Podger, getting one CD each from their respective sets.
Do any of you have any suggestions for such a split re the
Brandenburgs, and which players would you recommend for particular
concertos? I'm very tempted by 3 x Koln and 3 x Pinnock - but which 3
in each case? (I'm assuming that the sets are available as separate
CDs, of course, and in view of the way the harpsichord gets
short-changed in these early versions I shall want something rather
special in No. 5.).
--
Best wishes,
Ramon Khalona
That's a good one, but even better (for my taste, anyway) is
Ristenpart's with the Saar Chamber Orchestra on Accord CDs (from
France). After all these years (and gigabytes of Brandenburg
listening), no recording has quite managed to be as enjoyable.
--
Ramón Khalona "La razón no sirve para la existencia"
Carlsbad, California - Ernesto Sábato -
Philip Peters
Norman Schwartz wrote:
Slightly off topic:
I just happened upon a very cheap 5 CD Philips set with 13 cantatas by
Winschermann featuring such singers as Giebel, Ameling, Cotrubas, Souzay, Prey
and others. I wasn't familiar with W. before but I must say this was something
of a revelation. The same applies to the cantatas of another conductor I habe
got to now only recently, Fritz Werner. Great stuff (but probably not available
on CD?). Anybody familiar with these?
Philip
EM
wrote:
>Hey,
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
>concertos? I got a harmonia mundi box set with the Akadamie für Alte
>Musik Berlin, but even my roommate agrees that the horns sound a little
>obnoxious at times...especially in the first mvt of the first
>concerto...=)
My very first classical lp was a 2nd hand Supraphon box (containing
also a beautifully illustrated book) with the 6 Brandenburg Concertos
played by the Ars Rediva Ensemble Prague under Milan Muncliner.
Occasionally I play this treasure and I wonder whether it has ever
been transferred to cd.
Eltjo M.
Marc Perman
>I am not a HIP fan. For no HIP I second the others who recommended
>Britten/ECO (London). I also recommend Baumgartner/Festival Strings
>Lucerne (Eurodisc). You will also get the bonus of the Orchestral
>Suites 1-4 (total of 3 CDs) at $15 or so.
I disagree on the Baumgartner. I found them to be sluggish and
occasionally out of tune.
Marc Perman
Norman Schwartz
<van...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8317ft$ih$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Forget the periods. Try ECO/Leppard on Philips DUO.
The BC on the Philips Duo I have (438 317-2, ADD) are performed by I
Musici/Andre, Ayo, Bruggen, Gazzelloni, Garatti, and Holliger are very
nice, save for some rolled-off high frequency sound. Is there another
Philips Duo containing the BC?
Norman
FC
> Hey,
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
> concertos?
the most exciting of them all: Musica Antiqua Koln, led by R. Goebel,
on Archiv (2CDs). And cheap, too.
Martha & Russ Oppenheim
EM wrote:
>
> On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 02:40:57 -0800, Aloysia <alo...@excite.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hey,
> >
> > Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
> >concertos? I got a harmonia mundi box set with the Akadamie für Alte
> >Musik Berlin, but even my roommate agrees that the horns sound a little
> >obnoxious at times...especially in the first mvt of the first
> >concerto...=)
>
> My very first classical lp was a 2nd hand Supraphon box (containing
> also a beautifully illustrated book) with the 6 Brandenburg Concertos
> played by the Ars Rediva Ensemble Prague under Milan Muncliner.
> Occasionally I play this treasure and I wonder whether it has ever
> been transferred to cd.
>
> Eltjo M.
Yes, Supraphon 11-1875-2 coupled with the 4 Suites. See
www.supraphon.cz.
HTH
----------------------
Russ Oppenheim
mopp...@ix.netcom.com
----------------------
michael Osoffsky
set recorded in the early '70s still stands up well to today's
competition, though the playing has been technically surpassed by many
new comers. Koopman's set on Erato, also mid priced, is also very
good. Some may object to Koopman's sometimes busy continuo
contributions in several of the concertos. Pickett's set on Oiseau-Lyre
(Decca) is very well played and the textures are very clear. Perhaps my
favorite is Saval's set on Astree. Saval goes more for a darker or
denser sound texture than most. The bass lines are deep and rich. The
playing is wonderfully idiomatic and spirited. The balance on the 5th
concerto isn't ideal.
I have heard some of MAK's Brandenburgs. IMHO stylish as MAK's readings
are they seemed too pressed--too fast.
Michael
Aloysia wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
> concertos? I got a harmonia mundi box set with the Akadamie für Alte
> Musik Berlin, but even my roommate agrees that the horns sound a little
> obnoxious at times...especially in the first mvt of the first
> concerto...=)
> Aloysia
mif
recorded it three times) and Tafelmusik. Do they compare with those
already mentioned? I haven't heard either of them.
Simon Roberts
: Two recordings I haven't seen mentioned are Harnoncourt's (I believe he
: recorded it three times) and Tafelmusik. Do they compare with those
: already mentioned? I haven't heard either of them.
I think there are only two Harnoncourt recordings, though the digital set
is so often repackaged that it can easily seem as though there are more
than that. His first set is completely sabotaged by the dreadful trumpet
playing in 2, and both, while interesting in their different ways, are far
too ruminative (or just plain slow) and legato for my taste. Tafelmusik
as usual offers lively, clean, crisp playing, a sort of updated version of
Pinnock's -- a good choice for someone wanting a "central" HIP recording.
Simon
Tony Movshon
si...@dept.english.upenn.edu (Simon Roberts) writes:
> Tafelmusik
> as usual offers lively, clean, crisp playing, a sort of updated version of
> Pinnock's -- a good choice for someone wanting a "central" HIP recording.
I'm not willing to endorse the notion that there is yet such a thing as
"central HIP".
--
Tony Movshon mov...@nyu.edu
Center for Neural Science New York University
mif
Goebbels recording at various prices. The record company issues it at
full price, then reissues it and offers the earlier version at a lower
price so both versions are on the shelf side by side at two different
prices. I suppose I should have bought it when the cheaper set was on
the shelf but apparently someone beat me to it. The set the store is
offering now is $35 which is full price. The earlier on was about $20
if I recall. I assume they can't "remaster" a DDD set so what's the
story here? Currently I have Jonathan Rees/Scottish Chamber Ensemble
and Pinnock. Also Britten/ECO but it's on LP. It's my favorite. I never
bought the MAK because Penguin scared me away. (They said the players
were asked to play so fast it was laughable.) That was before I
discovered rmcr. So it goes.
MIF
In article <38568678...@toronto.edu>, flo...@vis.toronto.edu
(Florin) wrote:
> > try Musica Antiqua Koln, led by R. Goebel, on Archiv.
> Extremely exiciting.
Bruce Frumker
> concertos? I got a harmonia mundi box set with the Akadamie für Alte
> Musik Berlin, but even my roommate agrees that the horns sound a little
> obnoxious at times...especially in the first mvt of the first
> concerto...=)
> Aloysia
My wife and I just spent several evenings together listening to 1 minute
chunks of many many different recordings of Brandenburg Concertos and
Suites on Amazon. A fascinating experience (although more than 1 minute
per movement would have been lots better). But you really can pick up a
sense of style and approach in these brief excerpts. We actually
reached a surprising agreement - Winschermann. Neither of us had ever
heard of him before, but he is consistenly musical. These are
delightful recordings - full of life, and devoid of the mannerisms that
affect several of the other performances. No overdone duple phrasing,
no "running changes" with no apparent human intervention. Just a really
musical performance, very nicely ballanced. Only then did I discover
that these CDs are mostly on Laserlight, and are *very* inexpensive. Do
give these recordings a listening - they're worth trying.
Bruce Frumker
bfru...@cmnh.org
Simon Roberts
: si...@dept.english.upenn.edu (Simon Roberts) writes:
: > Tafelmusik
: > as usual offers lively, clean, crisp playing, a sort of updated version of
: > Pinnock's -- a good choice for someone wanting a "central" HIP recording.
: I'm not willing to endorse the notion that there is yet such a thing as
: "central HIP".
OK; sit down and listen to the Brandenburg recordings by Pinnock, OAE,
Tafelmusik, Pickett, Pearlman, Goodman, Kuijken (leaving aside his use of
a horn in 2), Hogwood (leaving aside the edition he uses), Camerata of the
18th C, Parrott and perhaps Koopman, and then listen to Harnoncourt,
Savall, MAK, Giardino Armonico and La Stravaganza. The latter group have
little in common, the former all strike me as being cut from much the same
cloth and to represent a sort of central consensus, a "mean" of sorts.
Simon
Simon Roberts
: My local store has had various incantations (right word?) of the MAK/
: Goebbels recording at various prices. The record company issues it at
: full price, then reissues it and offers the earlier version at a lower
: price so both versions are on the shelf side by side at two different
: prices. I suppose I should have bought it when the cheaper set was on
: the shelf but apparently someone beat me to it. The set the store is
: offering now is $35 which is full price. The earlier on was about $20
: if I recall. I assume they can't "remaster" a DDD set so what's the
: story here? Currently I have Jonathan Rees/Scottish Chamber Ensemble
: and Pinnock. Also Britten/ECO but it's on LP. It's my favorite. I never
: bought the MAK because Penguin scared me away. (They said the players
: were asked to play so fast it was laughable.) That was before I
: discovered rmcr. So it goes.
What's particularly amusing to me about their dismissive comments about
MAK (they make me smile, but not for the same reason) is that in recent
editions they heap praise on La Stravaganza's recording, which is, if
anything, more extreme than MAK's. They really should listen to MAK again
and see what they think now.
Simon
Johan van Veen
mif wrote:
> My local store has had various incantations (right word?) of the MAK/
> Goebbels recording at various prices. The record company issues it at
> full price, then reissues it and offers the earlier version at a lower
> price so both versions are on the shelf side by side at two different
> prices. I suppose I should have bought it when the cheaper set was on
> the shelf but apparently someone beat me to it. The set the store is
> offering now is $35 which is full price. The earlier on was about $20
> if I recall. I assume they can't "remaster" a DDD set so what's the
> story here?
DG has done very strange things with some of the older recordings on Archiv.
Originally the Brandenburg Concertos were released on LP, together with the
'Tripelconcerto'. Later on they were reissued on CD. According to the newest DG
catalogue it is still available as such. I have never seen it in record shops
over here, though. Then there are bargain editions: the concertos 1 - 3 and the
first Overture, the concertos 4 - 6 with the Overture nr 4. Buying these means
that you miss the 'Tripelconcerto' as well as the Overtures 2 and 3. The edition
with the 4 Overtures also included a 5th Overture, which in fact is probably
composed by Wilhelm Friedemann Bach. That is left out as well. The set with the
5 Overtures doesn't appear in record shops here as well.
Like I said, DG does strange things. René Jacobs made two excellent recordings
with cantatas by Vivaldi and Bononcini. They were reissued on CD together, but
that means that one cantata from the Vivaldi recording and two of Bononcini's
cantatas have been left out. These have never been released on CD. That's the
way DG just throws away valuable recordings.
canticle
know if it has been transferred to CD. Great performances and wonderful
recordings.
mif <sfrost2...@nycap.rr.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:00372b38...@usw-ex0101-006.remarq.com...
> Two recordings I haven't seen mentioned are Harnoncourt's (I believe he
> recorded it three times) and Tafelmusik. Do they compare with those
> already mentioned? I haven't heard either of them.
>
Tony Movshon
"canticle" <franci...@email.msn.com> writes:
> I have always liked Karl Ristenpart's Brandenburgs on Nonesuch LP. Don't
> know if it has been transferred to CD. Great performances and wonderful
> recordings.
This is one of my favorites also. It appeared on CD in France on
Accord, which is difficult to find in the US. Even more irritatingly,
Accord's catalog now lists volume 1 of the set, but not volume 2.
Andy Evans
Chamber Orch/Munchinger. Both a blast from the past, but both vigorous and
musical. ECO/Britten is nice but not quite the same energy.
Bruce Frumker <bfru...@cmnh.org> wrote in message
news:bfrumker-20CD95...@news.cmnh.org...
> > Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
> > concertos? I got a harmonia mundi box set with the Akadamie fr Alte
Margaret Mikulska
>
> EM wrote:
[...]
> > My very first classical lp was a 2nd hand Supraphon box (containing
> > also a beautifully illustrated book) with the 6 Brandenburg Concertos
> > played by the Ars Rediva Ensemble Prague under Milan Muncliner.
> > Occasionally I play this treasure and I wonder whether it has ever
> > been transferred to cd.
>
> www.supraphon.cz.
Good to know that Ars Rediviva with Munclinger is on CDs. And speaking
of nostalgia - because basically that's what we are talking about here -
does anybody know the name of the East German ensemble which recorded
the Brandenburgs in 1960s on period instruments for the ETERNA label?
(This one too had a very nice illustrated booklet.) It was one (two, to
be precise) of my first LPs, but I just can't retrieve the name from my
memory. Does it ring a bell with anybody here? It would be nice if
Berlin Classics re-issued this album on CDs. (Do they have a web site?)
-Margaret
Dan Koren
>Hey,
>
> Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
>Musik Berlin, but even my roommate agrees that the horns sound a little
>obnoxious at times...especially in the first mvt of the first
>concerto...=)
>Aloysia
My favorite set of Brandenburgs is by Wendy Carlos on East Side
Digital ESD 81422 (it's a 4 CD set that contains some other Bach
pieces). IMHO this is the most exciting absolutely stunning and
perfect realization of the Brandenburgs. Desert island discs if
there ever were any. Not easy to find in record stores, but yuo
can order them from Amazon.
Merry Christmas!
dk
Dan Koren
>Ristenpart's with the Saar Chamber Orchestra on Accord CDs (from
>France). After all these years (and gigabytes of Brandenburg
>listening), no recording has quite managed to be as enjoyable.
Forget Ristenpart.
After 40+ years of listening to Brandenburgs, the one performance
worth keeping and taking into the next century (and the only one I
will keep) is the set by Wendy Carlos and the "Moog Orchestra". No
other interpretation comes close to the variety and richness of its
"orchestral" colors, the perfect delineation of voices and layering
of harmonies, the rightness of tempi, the fluency of its phrasing,
the joy and excitement it communicates. This is the work of a great
genius, the ultimate, perfect interpretation of Bach's music forever
(not to mention its superb sonics :)) ).
Recently reissued by East Side Digital in a 4-CD set including other
Carlos performances - ESD 81422.
dk
Dan Koren
Florin <flo...@vis.toronto.edu> wrote:
>
>> try Musica Antiqua Koln, led by R. Goebel, on Archiv.
>
>Extremely exiciting.
Try Wendy Carlos for excitement.
dk
Dan Koren
>Aloysia wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> Anyone have a recommendation for a complete set of Bach Brandenburg
>> concertos?
>
>on Archiv (2CDs). And cheap, too.
Doesn't hold a candle to Wendy Carlos.
dk
Dan Koren
Tony Movshon <to...@cns.nyu.edu> wrote:
>
>si...@dept.english.upenn.edu (Simon Roberts) writes:
>> Tafelmusik
>> as usual offers lively, clean, crisp playing, a sort of updated version of
>> Pinnock's -- a good choice for someone wanting a "central" HIP recording.
>
>I'm not willing to endorse the notion that there is yet such a thing as
>"central HIP".
How about "low HIP" and "high HIP"?
:)
dk
Dan Koren
mif <sfrost2...@nycap.rr.com.invalid> wrote:
>My local store has had various incantations (right word?) of the MAK/
>Goebbels recording at various prices. The record company issues it at
>full price, then reissues it and offers the earlier version at a lower
>price so both versions are on the shelf side by side at two different
>prices. I suppose I should have bought it when the cheaper set was on
>the shelf but apparently someone beat me to it. The set the store is
>offering now is $35 which is full price. The earlier on was about $20
>if I recall. I assume they can't "remaster" a DDD set so what's the
Quite the contrary, digital recordings can be (re-)processed as many
times and in as many different ways as one can imagine.
dk
Max Schmeder
> Doesn't hold a candle to Wendy Carlos.
For God's sake, you made your point already!
Max
salty dog
<sfrost2...@nycap.rr.com.invalid> wrote:
>Two recordings I haven't seen mentioned are Harnoncourt's (I believe he
>recorded it three times) and Tafelmusik. Do they compare with those
>already mentioned? I haven't heard either of them.
Havn't seen them mentioned previously. I only know of 2 (probably the
earliest of the 3); the first I have as Telefunken vinyl and it is my
personal fave. The second vinyl set, also I believe Telefunken, was
an early digital recording that sounds, charitably, as if done in a
cavern. It is a sonic disaster, to be avoided at all costs. How
anyone could have thought it an improvement over the earlier version
is beyond imagining.
About 12-14 yrs ago I saw a PBS broadcast of what I believe were the
earlier of those performances, or at any rate of equal quality;
performed and taped in an appropriate room I assume was period for the
music. Would love to find that video.
For a number of years I purchased Brandenburg sets when I ran across
them either at a bargain or was curious for one reason or another.
Must have at least a dozen, and none are in the same league with the
late 60's or early 70's Harnancourt.
Admittedly I have not (yet) heard quite a few of those referenced in
this thread, which are almost entirely more recent performances than
those I have, but in some cases look forward to doing so.
Tom Davenport
website admin, M&A
http://www.musicandarts.com
salty dog
wrote:
>
>"canticle" <franci...@email.msn.com> writes:
>> I have always liked Karl Ristenpart's Brandenburgs on Nonesuch LP. Don't
>> know if it has been transferred to CD. Great performances and wonderful
>> recordings.
>
>This is one of my favorites also. It appeared on CD in France on
>Accord, which is difficult to find in the US. Even more irritatingly,
>Accord's catalog now lists volume 1 of the set, but not volume 2.
As one of the neo-Luddites on this list, I'm compelled to comment that
this set is one which tends to be pretty available on vinyl in used
record stores around major metropolitan areas.
mif
synthesyzer (sp) or on musical instruments? If instruments, did she
have a particular "name" orchestra?
DavidDGable
Yes, Ristenpart on Accord is sensational!
-david gable
Simon Roberts
: Yes, Ristenpart on Accord is sensational!
It doubtless helps that Bach's greatest contemporary plays the first
violin.
Simon
Tony Movshon
Yeah. Too bad Accord can't spell his name right on the label.
George Murnu
>
> Yes, Ristenpart on Accord is sensational!
>
And sensationally hard to find!
Regards,
George
David Samuel Barr
>
> I beg your pardon, but is this "Switched-on-Bach" played on a
> synthesyzer (sp) or on musical instruments? If instruments, did she
> have a particular "name" orchestra?
"Switched-On Bach" was played entirely on synthesisers.
roy mock
Just a minor correction ...... it is CREATED with synthesisers and only
played or performed through anyone else's speakers. :-)