Respect For Freebanders
Twistedhed
I am posting here because of some of the nasty things I have read in this
group and in QRZ discussions regarding freebanders. We who use the frequencies
from 27.405 to 28.000 have more in common with hams than you might think.
We are good operators and have knowledge of propagation and skip conditions.
We use Yasus, Kenwoods and Icomm radios just like you do, so we know technical
issues as well or better. However, the attitude of some hams toward us is
rude and condescending. We are treated like 2nd class citizens. This should
not be. We have the same rights under the constitution as legal hams do.
For those that do not wish to be under Uncle Sam's thumb, freebanding is
a viable alternative to getting a ham radio license. What I am saying is
that maybe the next time you meet a freebander it might be wise to talk with
him before you condemn him.
I am QRT and standing by. (No flames answered. Please reply via email)
Unit 2711, Florida
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enough to know, head is spelled with an "A" in it!
Your operation is against the law. You aren't citizens you are 3rd class SCUM!
If you are so technically inclined why aren't you smart enough to get the license.
The bottom line is that you're too stupid and don't know enough.
May all your coax be shorted!!!!!
Crawl back under your rock.
Jim Jerzycke
You do not deserve respect.
Eddie Haskell
of the equipment your trying to use. You know MORE than the HAMS that
legally got their licenses? I doubt it. If you knew so god-damn much you
would/could go get your licenses and operate (and take advantage) of being a
HAM radio operator.Keep up your freebanding activities and your equipment
will wind up on the scrap heap (where it belongs) with it's clipped out
audio limiting diodes, your stupid echo mikes and all your dumb noisemakers.
HAMS will not accept you ever, your despised, a bad example..one of the best
cases of "dont let this happen to you" I have ever seen. Your on the same
level as a burger flipper at McDonalds and the illegal aliens living in a
garage near you....
M. van Wijk
However, the attitude of some hams toward us is
rude and condescending.
Dear freebander,
From the first reactions on this list I see that your remark is correct
unfortunately.
Pity that no amateur yet has the courage to pick you up and act as an elmer.
They are right about you being illegal though, but in your case I would get
in contact with any serious ham in your neighbourhood. He can show you what
this wonderfull hobby might bring you, and perhaps he will even share his
"old freebander experience".
It is soooo easy to condemn people and yell about "civil rights and
obligations", especially via a medium like this. Please moderate each others
words and actions and think how you can help instead of flaming only.
' 73 Mark, PA5MW (that is Europe)
Dwight Stewart
>
> We are good operators and have knowledge
> of propagation and skip conditions.
First of all, to be a good operator, one has to obey the radio rules
and regulations. Since "freebanders" don't do that, it is absolutely
impossible for them to be "good operators."
> We use Yasus, Kenwoods and Icomm radios
> just like you do, so we know technical
> issues as well or better.
Technical knowledge doesn't come from the radio you own. By the
way, the correct spelling is "Yaesu" and "Icom."
> However, the attitude of some hams toward
> us is rude and condescending. We are
> treated like 2nd class citizens.
When you openly violate the law, you deserve nothing more than
rudeness from those who understand the value of those laws. And
people who violate the law are generally treated as 2nd class
citizens, so if you want something more than that, don't violate the laws.
> We have the same rights under the
> constitution as legal hams do.
And you also have the same responsibilities as everyone else has -
the responsibility to obey the laws of this land. If you don't like a
law, you're free to advocate it's change. However, you're never free
to violate it without suffering the consequences. One of those
consequences is the very loss of respect you claim is shown to "freebanders."
> For those that do not wish to be under Uncle
> Sam's thumb, freebanding is a viable alternative
> to getting a ham radio license.
In a country of 280 million people, laws are required to maintain
order. That is not just the government's position, Twisted. Those
people, who realize the alternative would be madness, demand it. And
that (maintain order) is exactly why the radio regulations were
written. Your alternative, the use of whatever frequency suits your
fancy at the moment, is madness. Likewise, your use of the "freeband"
frequencies deprives those who have a legitimate need for those
frequencies of their use. And that can have serious consequences -
for example, one common "freeband" frequency is assigned as a Coast
Guard Hurricane operations frequency.
> What I am saying is that maybe the next time
> you meet a freebander it might be wise to
> talk with him before you condemn him.
Yes, it would be good to talk to him - anything to convince him that
his behavior is both wrong and potentially harmful. However, many of
us have tried that in the past, and are simply tired of trying to
convince the village idiot that his behavior is harmful to this
community of radio operators.
> I am QRT and standing by. (No flames
> answered. Please reply via email)
Twisted, what kind of scam are you trying to run? You've posted
this messages several times before, each time asking Hams to contact
you via email. What happens to those poor souls that actually do
contact you via email?
Dwight Stewart (W5NET)
James
these frequencies is illegal as all get out, not to mention that the radios
are just as illegal too. the fines and penalties are steep and not worth it.
dont be fooled that you are not being watched, the FCC does monitor the band
and does keep records and pinpoint locations. I know this for a fact and
have witnessed it. the fact is that the freq.'s from 27.000 to 28.000 are
monitored more extensively then the ham bands. most of us are self
controlled with minimal interaction from the FCC, only when it gets to a
point that major enforcement has to be injected is when you hear the stories
about the FCC stepping in.
allot of hams will flame you for this post and that's to be expected, you
opened a can of worms here. I haven't read all the replies yet but I do see
a boat load of them and I am sure that 99% of them are going to be harsh and
nasty.
I do not condone your usage but I do agree that the fun is there. the fact
remains that most of the "freebanders" come into the ham bands just to
irritate others with malicious intent, this is the main cause of the
resentment towards these people, not to mention that the band is full of
people that get off on being jerks and starting trouble by either jamming or
cursing others out just for there own amusement.
personally I would like you and those you chat with take the opportunity to
get your ham license and go for the gusto. like most of us in the olden days
have derived from the 11 meter band and I know most have also run the upper
freq.'s out side the legal band limits, but just because this has been done
by most it still does not make it right or legal.
you make the statement that you want to be out from under the watchful eye
of the FCC, well I have to ask you what is it you are doing that would
justify them to watch and take action? running the freq.'s alone is
reasonable cause to raid your home and take you and everything you own,
again I have seen it happen many times. if you are conducting yourself
properly and show respect to those that are on the band then why do you not
want to make the next step?
the way I see it is that everyone has something to offer to the radio
community no matter what mode or band you run, but to do it just for the
thrill of the possibility of being caught is just foolish..if you steal
candy from a store and get away with it, does it make it legal? does winding
up in prison and becoming someone's play toy sound like fun and worth the
excitement?
you may choose to ignore me or tell me to screw myself, that's ok, I dont
get upset over trivial issues, but if you wish to have some advice and
direction to bettering yourself I would be happy to "Elmer" you.
there are allot of modes out there to use and play with other then HF, I
personally have a love for Amateur Television. to top that off all you need
is a no code tech license to get on ATV. I set up the camera and transmitter
in the car and go up mountains or just drive to and from my destinations
around the city.
I also use ATV for the Red Cross for damage assessment, this is a valuable
tool for us to determine the extent of recourses that are needed.
and just like the CB world, we all get together and shoot the bull and drink
beer and have as much fun as the rest. feel free to visit my website to view
the pictures from the last annual pig roast we had last December to prove my
point. {I am the one in the brown shirt in the first 3 pix}
you have been to the QRZ site and know that the practice tests are there,
take a shot at it, I bet you will be suprised on how well you do, the tech
section is mostly rules and regulations, and I dont think you are stupid and
know the difference between right and wrong..go for it!
P.S.: I still remember my 11 meter license and unit # from 20 years ago.
KBLP-3273
Unit - 125
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"Twistedhed" <twist...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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SSSSSMMMMM
> For those that do not wish to be under Uncle Sam's thumb, freebanding is
> a viable alternative to getting a ham radio license.
If you want to call it "under Uncle Sam's thumb", you are under his thumb in
either case whether it be freebanding or Ham. There are rules and
guidelines for Ham and for the frequencies you are currently operating. You
are breaking the law and that is it.
Respect is something that is earned. No one deserves disrespect. But when
that person is breaking the law, then they don't deserve the respect.
If you feel you are that that knowledgeable, then go take the test.
Your story below follows that of the person who is caught speeding. The
speeder broke the law, but they are mad at the police officer who caught
them. What they are mad about is that they got caught. If you speed and
get caught, face the real truth, you were breaking the law and have to pay
the fine for what you did. Take responsibility for your actions, and quit
blaming everyone else for what you do.
I am not sure why you just want responses to be personal emails, but it
sound like you want to voice your opinion, but yet you don't want anyone
else to be able to speak out. I am going to exercise my freedom of speech,
just as you did, and post in the newsgroup. Or could it be that you are
doing a research paper and want reaction from the Ham community????
"Twistedhed" <twist...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Leland C. Scott
"Dwight Stewart" <stew...@sccoast.net> wrote in message
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> Twisted, what kind of scam are you trying to run? You've posted
> this messages several times before, each time asking Hams to contact
> you via email. What happens to those poor souls that actually do
> contact you via email?
This is some spill over from a rash of forged posts that have been occurring
on the CB Radio news group, and a few others, for some time now. Somebody
just wants to stir up the pot a little bit. I would just ignore it.
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Leland C. Scott
KC8LDO
Saw this on a Tee-shirt:
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Barry D
5/9 on the Troll o meter!!
AB2HR
wrote:
What you do NOT have in common with Hams is:
1. The legal right to use the frequencies you are utilizing
2. A common high regard for proper operating practices and properly
maintained and adjusted equipment.
Those are just for starters...
73 de
Ray / AB2HR
SysOp: The Lost Chord BBS
607-733-5745
telnet: 24.95.131.236 port 6000
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/9257/lostchrd.html
Twistedhed
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First of all, I did not write the above, Dwight, and you of all people
should be aware of that, since you also post in the only ng I post in.
Are you now fostering problems on behalf of these ignorant 3 Dwight,
just because you and I disagreed on an issue before? Check the headers.
The only group I ever post in is the cb group. Myself, along with
countless others, have been forged repeatedly by a small group of
licensed amateurs seeking to cause problems. These hams have been
identified as
Leland C. Scott KC8LDO aka "punisha of kecl...@cotse.com"
Doug Adair N8WWM "too many to list"
Glenn Sparks "Sparky" KI5GY AKA "Antikeyclown" and "twistietweaker"
among others
A licensed amateur (thank you) kindly brought this matter to my
attention. I invite anyone who wishes, to visit the cb ng (rec.radio.cb)
and see for themselves the animosity caused by these certain hams.
Better yet, do a deja search of the nics. And watch the headers. Thank
you all and have a good day.
Twistedhed
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aren't smart enough to know, head is spelled with an "A" in it!
Your operation is against the law. You aren't citizens you are 3rd class
SCUM!
If you are so technically inclined why aren't you smart enough to get
the license.
The bottom line is that you're too stupid and don't know enough.
May all your coax be shorted!!!!!
Crawl back under your rock.
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Leland C. Scott
> Check the headers.
> The only group I ever post in is the cb group.
You lie Twisted You posted in this news group just now. Or is this just
another forged post with your name attached?
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Leland C. Scott
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James
and ip addresses of the post and it is a forge, the first post was from a
non web tv IP or ID..
had i known the forge i would have passed it up, but i have done the
footwork now and i am convinced..
so lets just drop it and play nice...
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"Leland C. Scott" <no-...@junk-mail.net> wrote in message
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Leland C. Scott
"James" <KB7...@QSL.Net> wrote in message
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> the ham this person was talking about is me, i have now fully dug out the
id
> and ip addresses of the post and it is a forge, the first post was from a
> non web tv IP or ID..
Probably the same person(s) that have been tormenting him for weeks now on
the CB Radio news group. It has been mentioned that even the real Twisted
has forged posts too. It's at the point now where nobody is sure who is who.
It's so easy to get multiple accounts, and post from them that even checking
the message headers is not a reliable method for detecting who posted what
anymore. I don't even bother with it now. The only thing the header can tell
you is the domain the post came from. It can't always tell you the exact
account that was used in that domain since many accounts use dynamic IP
address, which change every time the person using the account logs in. To be
sure you need the records from the ISP showing what account was active when,
and using what IP address to match up with the postings made. Fat chance of
calling up an ISP and getting detailed info like that unless you have a
badge with a warrant to go with it. Of course Twisted can't figure that out.
He thinks if the post came from the same domain, it must have come from the
same person. The concept that two or more people can be using the same ISP,
and the ISPs news server never seems to cross his mind.
>
> had i known the forge i would have passed it up, but i have done the
> footwork now and i am convinced..
That was the mistake I made, and that was all it took to get on his hit
list. Good luck.
>
> so lets just drop it and play nice...
Too bad Twisted hasn't gotten it yet. He thinks everyone is out to get him.
I don't feel any particular need to cut him any slack so as long as he has
me on his revenge list. Twisted has one or more people playing head games
with him, and to date he still doesn't have a clue who it is, or who they
are, so he just attacks anyone and everyone. I don't know who it is and I
don't care. If "they" keep stomping on his tail till the day he drops in to
the grave is fine with me.
WildCat
Thanks Twistedhed. Just one thing. Can you clarify for us...
a) Are you a freebander?
b) Do you agree or disagree with the essential points of the "forged" post?
Dwight Stewart
>
> First of all, I did not write the
> above, Dwight, and you of all people
> should be aware of that, since you
> also post in the only ng I post in.
> Are you now fostering problems on
> behalf of these ignorant 3 Dwight,
> just because you and I disagreed
Sorry, I don't always check the headers of each message I see here.
However, if you didn't write that (and I see no reason not to believe
you), then I do apologize for identifying you in the reply.
SSSSSMMMMM
sent, best to check the header. Just can't trust people I guess to say who
they really are.
Scott
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