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Ansermetniac

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Mar 22, 2003, 10:18:18 PM3/22/03
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I first heard of him via the great Schumann Koncertstuck with George
Barbetou on Nonesuch, the best available. I also have him on CD doing Hadyn
Symphonies 31 and 85. They are really quite good. The 85 is second only to
Ansermet. If I did not have the Ansermet the Ristenpart would do very well.

So why is he unknown, neglected etc.

Abbedd


Brian Cantin

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Mar 22, 2003, 11:18:40 PM3/22/03
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Can't answer the question, but I can chip in with a Nonesuch
lp set of the Brandenburg Concertos. Ristenpart gets superb
sonorities out of the Chamber Orchestra of the Saar.

--
Brian Cantin
An advocate of poisonous individualism.
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Matthew B. Tepper (posts from uswest.net are forged)

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Mar 23, 2003, 4:06:10 AM3/23/03
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"Ansermetniac" <anserm...@optonline.net> appears to have caused the
following letters to be typed in news:_H9fa.172386$b8.37235699
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> I first heard of him via the great Schumann Koncertstuck with George
> Barbetou on Nonesuch, the best available. I also have him on CD doing
> Hadyn Symphonies 31 and 85. They are really quite good. The 85 is second
> only to Ansermet. If I did not have the Ansermet the Ristenpart would do
> very well.

There is an excellent transfer of that Schumann LP on ReDiscovery.

> So why is he unknown, neglected etc.

Because he wasn't signed to one of the """major""" labels?

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Ramon Khalona

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Mar 23, 2003, 4:56:37 AM3/23/03
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"Ansermetniac" <anserm...@optonline.net> wrote

>
> So why is he unknown, neglected etc.

He is not.

RK

Delmarva LaPoule

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Mar 23, 2003, 5:12:35 AM3/23/03
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Brian Cantin wrote:
> "Ansermetniac" <anserm...@optonline.net> writes:
>
>>I first heard of him via the great Schumann Koncertstuck with George
>>Barbetou on Nonesuch, the best available. I also have him on CD
>>doing Hadyn Symphonies 31 and 85. They are really quite good. The 85
>>is second only to Ansermet. If I did not have the Ansermet the
>>Ristenpart would do very well.
>>
>>So why is he unknown, neglected etc.
>
>
> Can't answer the question, but I can chip in with a Nonesuch
> lp set of the Brandenburg Concertos. Ristenpart gets superb
> sonorities out of the Chamber Orchestra of the Saar.
>

Ditto the orchestral suites. Does anyone remember his Eroica and
Schubert 1 and 2 which were released on Nonesuch's premium label?

Longevity and the worldwide dearth of conducting talent turned Gunter
Wand into a superstar. He and Ristenpart were featured on many
recordings licensed from small European labels in the sixties. I wonder
whether Ristenpart would have achieved similar cult status if he had
lived longer.

Steve Hehr

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Mar 23, 2003, 7:07:08 AM3/23/03
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On 22 Mar 2003 20:18:40 -0800, Brian Cantin <bca...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>"Ansermetniac" <anserm...@optonline.net> writes:
>> I first heard of him via the great Schumann Koncertstuck with George
>> Barbetou on Nonesuch, the best available. I also have him on CD
>> doing Hadyn Symphonies 31 and 85. They are really quite good. The 85
>> is second only to Ansermet. If I did not have the Ansermet the
>> Ristenpart would do very well.
>>
>> So why is he unknown, neglected etc.
>
>Can't answer the question, but I can chip in with a Nonesuch
>lp set of the Brandenburg Concertos. Ristenpart gets superb
>sonorities out of the Chamber Orchestra of the Saar.

Likewise for Bach's "Kunst der Fuge" (Art of the Fugue) with the same
orchestra, also on Nonesuch LP's.

--
Steve Hehr

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REG

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Mar 23, 2003, 11:08:00 AM3/23/03
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Now much of a live performance career did he have? I don't remember seenig a
lot of pirates with him, and wonder whether the Chamber Orchestra of the
Saar was a pick-up group.

"Steve Hehr" <stev...@outfi.net> wrote in message
news:fn8r7vkmpeqldgnnq...@4ax.com...

Praetorius

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Mar 23, 2003, 2:17:01 PM3/23/03
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REG wrote:
> Now much of a live performance career did he have? I don't remember seenig
a
> lot of pirates with him, and wonder whether the Chamber Orchestra of the
> Saar was a pick-up group.

The Chamber Orchestra of the Saar (Saarländische Kammerorchester)
appears to have been an ensemble of the Saarland Radio in Saarbrücken.
The Saarland Radio 2 web site (SR 2 Kulturradio)
http://www.sr-online.de/programm/index.jsp?dir=17)
indicates that there is a sound archive of the Ristenpart directing the
"Rundfunk-Kammerorchester Saarbrücken (presumably another name
for the same group) (see listings at links "Das Karl Ristenpart-Archiv des
SR mit Wolfgang Korb" at
http://www.sr-online.de/programm/index.jsp?dir=17&aufklapp=75&akt=183&sonder
Desc=980&archiv=true&sonderDesc=980

Also, see "Karl Ristenpart und das SR-Kammerorchester" at
http://www.asta.uni-sb.de/asta/champus/online/0402/kultur/rso.html
(including, "Karl Ristenpart kam 1953 an die Saar. Als Studio diente ein
muffiger
Wirtshaussaal am Kleinen Markt in Saarlouis. Dort, zwischen umgefallenen
Biergläsern, dem Wochenmarkt vor den Fenstern und einem blechernen Pissoir
vor der Tür, entstand das Saarländische Kammerorchester." - my rough
translation:
"Karl Ristenpart came to the Saar in 1953. A musty pub hall at the small
market in
Saarlouis served as studio. There, between fallen-down beer glasses, the
weekly
market before the windows and a tin pissoir before the door, the Chamber
Orchestra of the Saar emerged/arose].") Antonio Janigro took over after
Ristenpart's death in 1967, until 1971. The Chamber Orchestra seems to have
been merged into the "Sinfonie- und Kammerorchester des SR" in 1971 when
Hans Zender took over.


Frank Decolvenaere
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the things that annoy you."
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David7Gable

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Mar 23, 2003, 3:17:53 PM3/23/03
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Don't know why Ristenpart is comparatively little known, and I can't imagine
better performancs of the Brandenburg's than his.

-david gable

Edward A. Cowan

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Mar 24, 2003, 7:26:17 AM3/24/03
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I seem to recall that Karl Ristenpart conducted an LP of two Bach
cantatas with Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau on DG Archiv, a recording that
has been reissued on CD in the "Originals" series. One DG recording does
not signify "penetration of the majors", but it is at least something...

--E.A.C.

Matthew B. Tepper (posts from uswest.net are forged) <o...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

> "Ansermetniac" <anserm...@optonline.net> appears to have caused the
> following letters to be typed in news:_H9fa.172386$b8.37235699
> @news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net:
>
> > I first heard of him via the great Schumann Koncertstuck with George
> > Barbetou on Nonesuch, the best available. I also have him on CD doing
> > Hadyn Symphonies 31 and 85. They are really quite good. The 85 is second
> > only to Ansermet. If I did not have the Ansermet the Ristenpart would do
> > very well.
>
> There is an excellent transfer of that Schumann LP on ReDiscovery.
>
> > So why is he unknown, neglected etc.
>
> Because he wasn't signed to one of the """major""" labels?


--E.A.C.

david gideon

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Mar 25, 2003, 12:39:36 PM3/25/03
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In article <3E7D889...@verizon.net>, Delmarva LaPoule
<vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Does anyone remember his Eroica and
> Schubert 1 and 2 which were released on Nonesuch's premium label

The Schuberts are available at our website. We have an entire section
of the catalog devoted to Ristenpart, with more to come shortly.

dg

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Matthew B. Tepper (posts from uswest.net are forged)

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> In article <3E7D889...@verizon.net>, Delmarva LaPoule
><vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone remember his Eroica and
>> Schubert 1 and 2 which were released on Nonesuch's premium label
>
> The Schuberts are available at our website. We have an entire section
> of the catalog devoted to Ristenpart, with more to come shortly.

I very much enjoy the Schumann disc!

david gideon

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Mar 25, 2003, 11:54:31 PM3/25/03
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In article <Xns934980322B8...@129.250.170.81>, posts from

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> I very much enjoy the Schumann disc!

Thank you sir. My favorite of the ones we've done so far is the Haydn
"Morning" "Noon" and "Evening".

Ramon Khalona

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Mar 26, 2003, 10:05:46 AM3/26/03
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"Matthew B. Tepper (posts from uswest.net are forged)"

>

> I very much enjoy the Schumann disc!

The artwork on the cover of the original LP is priceless!

RK

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