Slighty OT - Drivers Licenses
Spewman
I was watching the local Tulsa, Oklahoma news last night (Sunday - January
26, 2003) when they mentioned a story about Oklahoma state drivers licenses.
Apparently - according to the news story - Oklahoma is only 1 of 4 states
left that still issue plastic laminated drivers licenses. Oklahoma plans to
switch over to a "credit card" style drivers license complete with magnetic
strip and digital barcode late this year (2003). Speaking from experience,
this is a good idea. While recently in Canada I had a hell of a time
getting into bars and clubs with friends up there with my OK license card.
Several times the doormen had to ask other people and look over the card for
about 5 minutes, very rediculous (Ontario, Canada has had the "credit card"
style license for quite some time now). I even went so far as to pull out my
Tulsa library card to prove that I do indeed live in Tulsa, OK and I'm not
some "punk teenager" trying to confuse the doormen with a fake ID.
Anyways, getting to my point, if Oklahoma is indeed only 1 of 4 states left
still issuing plastic laminted drivers licenses, can someone identify the
other 3?
Thanks
Jesse Whidden
>
>Anyways, getting to my point, if Oklahoma is indeed only 1 of 4 states left
>still issuing plastic laminted drivers licenses, can someone identify the
>other 3?
>
phasing out our laminated drivers licenses this spring. The Nebraska
DMV has more information (and pictures of the new licenses/ID cards)
at: http://www.dmv.state.ne.us/nddl
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John R Cambron
Maryland might be one, as I just looked at mine and the front is
laminated to a plastic card wirh the magnetic strip only no bar
code.
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Matt
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Sam Smith
> Anyways, getting to my point, if Oklahoma is indeed only 1 of 4 states left
> still issuing plastic laminted drivers licenses, can someone identify the
> other 3?
>
I think they've changed it by now, but Utah's licenses used to look
notoriously fake....I still have an old-style one. I'm under 21,
though, so I've not had any opportunity to get carded with it.....
Smith
Slo
>Apparently - according to the news story - Oklahoma is only 1 of 4 states
>left that still issue plastic laminated drivers licenses. Oklahoma plans to
>switch over to a "credit card" style drivers license complete with magnetic
>strip and digital barcode late this year (2003).
Tennessee has the credit card style license, but without the magnetic strip or
barcode.
Safe truckin' !
Slo
Brian Polidoro
"John R Cambron" <*camb...@Chesapeake.net*> wrote in message news:v3b3ugo...@corp.supernews.com...
|
|
| Spewman wrote:
| >
| > Hey Folks:
| >
| > I was watching the local Tulsa, Oklahoma news last night (Sunday - January
| > 26, 2003) when they mentioned a story about Oklahoma state drivers licenses.
| >
| > Apparently - according to the news story - Oklahoma is only 1 of 4 states
| > left that still issue plastic laminated drivers licenses. Oklahoma plans to
| > switch over to a "credit card" style drivers license complete with magnetic
| > strip and digital barcode late this year (2003). Speaking from experience,
| > this is a good idea. While recently in Canada I had a hell of a time
| > getting into bars and clubs with friends up there with my OK license card.
| > Several times the doormen had to ask other people and look over the card for
| > about 5 minutes, very rediculous (Ontario, Canada has had the "credit card"
| > style license for quite some time now). I even went so far as to pull out my
| > Tulsa library card to prove that I do indeed live in Tulsa, OK and I'm not
| > some "punk teenager" trying to confuse the doormen with a fake ID.
| >
| > Anyways, getting to my point, if Oklahoma is indeed only 1 of 4 states left
| > still issuing plastic laminted drivers licenses, can someone identify the
| > other 3?
|
| Maryland might be one, as I just looked at mine and the front is
| laminated to a plastic card wirh the magnetic strip only no bar
| code.
|
My Maryland license has a barcode on the front. Could that be because mine is more recent. It was issued at the end of 2000.
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Brian Polidoro
"Matt" matt....@verizon.net wrote:
| New Jersey is one of them.
| "Spewman" spamm...@spam.com wrote:
|
| > Anyways, getting to my point, if Oklahoma is indeed only 1 of 4 states
| left
| > still issuing plastic laminted drivers licenses, can someone identify the
| > other 3?
| >
Yep I used to have one. But this will change soon. The new law will be signed tommorrow (01/28/03) by Gov McGreevey. There will
be a major overhaul of the New Jersey Department of Motor Vehicles some of which has already begun:
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/press/2003releases/010203.htm
See NJDOT for more:
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/
Also is NJ the only state to issue non-photo drivers licenses? Although this may go away with the changes to come.
Article is as follows:
"Fix DMV" reforms approved by State Senate
TRENTON, NJ - The Senate Budget and Appropriations Committee voted on Thursday to adopt comprehensive reforms that will allow the
Division of Motor Vehicles to implement initiatives to address lapses in security and improve customer service.
The "Fix DMV" bill, officially known as the Motor Vehicle Security and Customer Service Act, was introduced to the Senate last
November. The bill now moves from the Budget and Appropriations Committee to a House vote on Jan. 23. The bill is expected to be
adopted and signed into law by Gov. James E. McGreevey. The Assembly approved the bill a couple of months ago.
"We are extremely pleased and relieved by the Senates actions," said Acting Transportation Commissioner Jack Lettiere. "Today's vote
brings us a step closer to making DMV more secure and customer-friendly."
"We can now proceed with our plans to reverse more than a decade of neglect at DMV," said DMV Director Diane Legreide. "Eliminating
the distressing lapses in security and improving the customer service at our agencies will not happen overnight. However, we are
very confident that the legislation provides us with a comprehensive, detailed plan for improvement."
The legislation will increase the annual motor vehicle registration fees by $7 to fund the reform measures. The DMV Commission will
not have the authority to raise future DMV fees or state bonding.
The new legislation also requires background checks for all new motor vehicle agents who also must meet specific educational and
experience qualifications.
The bill was amended after weeks of negotiating with members of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.
Legreide said she is eager to replace DMVs 20-year-old computer system, which inhibits employees from working in an efficient and
effective manner. The legislation will also provide DMV with the ability to improve its identification verification process of
motorists, especially when the Digitized Driver License system is implemented this summer.
The legislation will allow DMV to establish a greater police presence and install new security cameras, alarms and locks in every
agency to thwart corruption and fraud.
In the past six months, nearly 90 people including 14 DMV employees - have been arrested for using fraudulent documents to obtain
New Jersey driver's licenses at DMV agencies.
DMV has already begun its customer service initiatives, including the first phase of DMV-mandated customer service training and the
issuance of employee nametags.
"Customer service training and document fraud training for DMV employees will be ongoing and continuous," Legreide said.
Today's actions will allow DMV to implement plans to open agencies on Saturdays, create a new telephone information center and
expand online services.
"Fixing DMV was never a political issue. Its a people issue, Legreide said. We will soon provide our employees with the tools to
better serve the people of this state. Now, the real work begins."
Sherman Cahal
Kentucky did until 2002. I am using the old format laminated card, and I got
my license in 2001.
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goddfather40
laminated. I know here in California, we have had laminated licenses
for at least 8 or 9 years. A friend of mine (wink, wink) had a fake
Florida license when he was underage a few years back. It was laminated
, even though Florida's weren't laminated at the time, and it had the
color scheme all wrong. It worked every time but once.
Pooing Is Cool
>Anyways, getting to my point, if Oklahoma is indeed only 1 of 4 states left
>still issuing plastic laminted drivers licenses, can someone identify the
>other 3?
Kentucky switched over about a year ago.
The real issue is the damn barcodes invading our privacy. As soon as I
got my license renewed, I took a cigarette lighter and burned off part
of the barcode.
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Pooing Is Cool
>Tennessee has the credit card style license, but without the magnetic strip or
>barcode.
I guess Tennessee still has a Bill of Rights.
Chris Lawrence
> Also is NJ the only state to issue non-photo drivers licenses?
> Although this may go away with the changes to come.
No, Tennessee does; my grandfather has a license without a photo.
Not really sure why, but there you go...
Chris
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Chris Lawrence
> Anyways, getting to my point, if Oklahoma is indeed only 1 of 4 states left
> still issuing plastic laminted drivers licenses, can someone identify the
> other 3?
Both my last TN license and my current MS license are plastic
laminated (or in my case, de-laminating due to a horrible lamination
job; it's been peeling since the day I got it); AFAIK MS still is
plastic laminated, but I don't know about Tennessee.
However, my school IDs (grad student and staff) are credit-card style.
Frank Curcio
<matt....@verizon.net> writes:
>New Jersey is one of them.
Not onl that, but it's still possible to get a New Jersey Drivers License
without a photo. I had one for years which used to drive the clerks at
out-of-state car rental agencies batty. Girl at Salt Lake Airport agency
stared at my license for what seemed like 10 minutes - she had never seen a
photoless-license.
But both will change. There's a push for DMV reform here. Seems New Jersey
drivers licenses have become so easy to get, several of the Sept. 11 terrorists
and the D.C. sniper acquired one as id.
Regards,
Frank (who recently got a photo license to help bpard airplanes)
Matt
Yes, it is really amazing how they can make a radio transmitter that
small these days!
> As soon as I got my license renewed, I took a cigarette lighter and burned
> off part of the barcode.
Ah, what a brilliant way to short-circuit the monitoring system!
But you know, that just means they'll have secret agents following you
around now, instead of just electronic monitoring...
Chuckdogg1979
the "credit card style" license, with the magnetic strip in the back.
The current Arizona license has a barcode and magnetic strip in the
back. Under 21 ID's are vertical, with the picture in the bottom left
corner, while 21 and over have a more conventional (horizontal) ID.
This website shows picutes of the current AZ ID:
http://www.servicearizona.com/
As far as a photoless license, I'm surprised they are still available
anywhere. If you look different from your ID picture you can get
hassled in some places, can't imagine what it's like without a
picture.
Chuckdogg1979
look like in each state? Is there a link available to view a photo?
arga...@my-deja.com
> Anyways, getting to my point, if Oklahoma is indeed only 1 of 4 states left
> still issuing plastic laminted drivers licenses, can someone identify the
> other 3?
Kansas was one of them when I had my license renewed in late 1999.
However, the laminated plastic blank is the same size as a credit card
and the printout which is put under the clear top layer is digitally
produced. The plastic blank also has a magnetic stripe (no barcode)
and the clear layer has a golden hologram (consisting of a square with
"KANSAS" written vertically down the left side) which is visible when
the card is viewed at oblique angles.
My Bodleian card, however, is unlaminated with my picture and student
status details thermally adhered to the surface of the card. Much the
same has been true of the last generation of American university
identification cards I have received, except that I appear in full
color on the American ones and in black-and-white on the British one.
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> | Spewman wrote:
> |
> | > Anyways, getting to my point, if Oklahoma is indeed only 1 of 4 states left
> | > still issuing plastic laminted drivers licenses, can someone identify the
> | > other 3?
> |
> | Maryland might be one, as I just looked at mine and the front is
> | laminated to a plastic card wirh the magnetic strip only no bar
> | code.
> |
>
>
> My Maryland license has a barcode on the front. Could that be because mine is more recent. It was issued at the end of 2000.
Actually, the way to tell if your license is of the type he's talking
about is to look at its edges. If the license has a "border" of clear
plastic extending beyond the card, it's a laminated card of the type
he's talking about. These licenses, AFAIK, have *neither* magnetic
strips *nor* bar codes.
AFAIK, the newer credit-card-style licenses with magnetic strips (and
bar codes) also have a laminated front surface, but the laminate is
bonded to the card itself rather than to another layer of laminate
behind the card (as it is on the older licenses). The laminate layer on
my Pennsylvania license bears a holographic design consisting of the
state name in a calligraphic typeface floating over a background of
repeating text listing the names of the state's 67 counties.
New Jersey is another state that still issues the old double-laminated
licenses. I've heard that it too is issuing new licenses soon.
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> As long as we're talking about licenses, what does the current license
> look like in each state? Is there a link available to view a photo?
While not a state, British Columbia changed from
laminated to credit-card licenses a few years ago.
Mine has a rather pretty shot of the sunset with
mountains and some clouds in the background, a
reflective B.C. coat of arms that changes colour
with the angle, a really scary picture of me, and
a mag stripe and random-dot stereogram on the back.
When I was at school a couple of years ago my Ontario
license was similar, except that it had a picture
of a real trillium flower, not the stylized trillium
logo the province has used for so long.
My UofT student card had yet another really bad
picture and was a smart card - you could charge
it up with money and buy things on campus. All I
ever used it for was photocopying and microfilm
prints.
The less said about my passport the better. If you
look like the picture on your passport, you really
*do* need a holiday...
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Luke W
licence (magnetic strip but no barcode) in December last - or more
correctly in selected registries in December, more generally "early
[this] year". Not sure about other Aust. states but they're probably
doing a similar thing.
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John R Cambron
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> > |
> > | Spewman wrote:
> > |
> > | > Anyways, getting to my point, if Oklahoma is indeed only 1 of 4 states left
> > | > still issuing plastic laminted drivers licenses, can someone identify the
> > | > other 3?
> > |
> > | Maryland might be one, as I just looked at mine and the front is
> > | laminated to a plastic card wirh the magnetic strip only no bar
> > | code.
> > |
> >
> >
> > My Maryland license has a barcode on the front. Could that be
> > because mine is more recent. It was issued at the end of 2000.
Mine was issued in 1998
> Actually, the way to tell if your license is of the type he's talking
> about is to look at its edges. If the license has a "border" of clear
> plastic extending beyond the card, it's a laminated card of the type
> he's talking about. These licenses, AFAIK, have *neither* magnetic
> strips *nor* bar codes.
>
> AFAIK, the newer credit-card-style licenses with magnetic strips (and
> bar codes) also have a laminated front surface, but the laminate is
> bonded to the card itself rather than to another layer of laminate
> behind the card (as it is on the older licenses). The laminate layer on
> my Pennsylvania license bears a holographic design consisting of the
> state name in a calligraphic typeface floating over a background of
> repeating text listing the names of the state's 67 counties.
>
> New Jersey is another state that still issues the old double-laminated
> licenses. I've heard that it too is issuing new licenses soon.
>
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james
> still issuing plastic laminted drivers licenses, can someone identify the
> other 3?
I've heard this 1 out of 4 statistic as well...and it boils down to:
New Jersey, Oklahoma, Washington State and I think Utah.
Though some states, such as Kentucky and Rhode Island have switched
over only very very recently, and so there are still a lot of the old
style laminate licenses in the wild.
New Jersey is switching over, as quickly as they can, they claim this
summer, but I would be surprised if it works out for em before 2004.
In the United States, New Jersey and Vermont still issue non-photo
licenses (though NJ is gonna phase em out with the new ditigized
license.) In Canada, New Brunswick and Quebec still issue non-photo
licenses, Saskatchewan phases them out this summer. (And what I mean
here is "on-demand"...it's entirely your choice if you want a photo on
those licenses or not.) I happen to have seen the statistics for
Quebec, and approximately 15% of licensed drivers there decline the
photograph. Photo licenses in Canada are still a pretty new thing,
even Ontario didn't really start it until the early to mid 1990's.
Most US states were on board by 1985.
*All* US and Canadian provinces are required to issue non-photo
licenses to those with objections to being photographed for a license
(which is how I suspect the individual's grandfather in TN has such a
license.) Many states have codified relgious objection statutues, and
therefore routes and procedures on how to get non-photo religious
objections licenses, other states do not and you essentially have to
fight them on the task.
Pooing Is Cool
>*All* US and Canadian provinces are required to issue non-photo
>licenses to those with objections to being photographed for a license
Do any states allow you to have a license that lacks a magnetic strip or
barcode if you have an objection to that?
Chris Lawrence
> *All* US and Canadian provinces are required to issue non-photo
> licenses to those with objections to being photographed for a license
> (which is how I suspect the individual's grandfather in TN has such a
> license.) Many states have codified relgious objection statutues, and
> therefore routes and procedures on how to get non-photo religious
> objections licenses, other states do not and you essentially have to
> fight them on the task.
Nope, he's just a grumpy old man; we have photo albums filled with
pictures of him. Now, he may have claimed a religious objection (I'd
have to ask him), but he doesn't have a position opposing "graven
images" (after all, he's a good Methodist, the home of the Ten
Suggestions; if he did claim a religious objection, he'd be the first
Methodist in recorded history to do so).
(Not really an important issue, but I thought I'd clarify things...)
james
> On 29 Jan 2003 21:43:32 -0800, vam...@innocent.com (james) said:
>
> >*All* US and Canadian provinces are required to issue non-photo
> >licenses to those with objections to being photographed for a license
>
> Do any states allow you to have a license that lacks a magnetic strip or
> barcode if you have an objection to that?
Good question. I have not heard of anyone who has tried, nor do I know
of any precedence on it.
Some states do limit the type of machine readability elements that a
license can have, or require that the data be encrypted. As of yet, I
know of no state that entirely prohibits it or allows for an out
clause, or a state DMV allowing an individual not to get a machine
readable license.
I guess it has yet to be tried, and I would like to see it, because I
think there's some interesting ground to break there.
I've started introducing the idea here in Ohio of eliminating machine
readibility (not just on privacy grounds, but also on fraud grounds as
well. Machine readability is a fraud disaster waiting to happen.) So
maybe we'll get some legislation in the next five years or so.
Pooing Is Cool
>Good question. I have not heard of anyone who has tried,
I'm gonna try.
Alan Hamilton
>I've started introducing the idea here in Ohio of eliminating machine
>readibility (not just on privacy grounds, but also on fraud grounds as
>well. Machine readability is a fraud disaster waiting to happen.) So
>maybe we'll get some legislation in the next five years or so.
How is it, moreso than the human readable part?
How about if the information was printed on the license in a font that
could easily be machine read?
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> From what I'm reading, it seems as if every state is going to go to
> the "credit card style" license, with the magnetic strip in the back.
Speaking of magnetic strips, anyone had their license swiped by a bar
bouncer yet?
I was in one of the gayborhood bars a few weeks back, and the bouncer
that night -- a retired cop who knows me well -- was talking about some
of the things the city (or perhaps the PLCB) was requiring bars to do to
keep underage drinkers out.
He pulled out a small terminal that was about the size of a Palm PDA,
only much, much thicker. He then swiped my driver's license through the
reader, and showed me how my age -- 44 -- appeared in big numbers on hie
display.
Pete from Boston
> Chuckdogg1979 wrote:
> > From what I'm reading, it seems as if every state is going to go to
> > the "credit card style" license, with the magnetic strip in the back.
>
> Speaking of magnetic strips, anyone had their license swiped by a bar
> bouncer yet?
>
> I was in one of the gayborhood bars a few weeks back, and the bouncer
> that night -- a retired cop who knows me well -- was talking about some
> of the things the city (or perhaps the PLCB) was requiring bars to do to
> keep underage drinkers out.
>
> He pulled out a small terminal that was about the size of a Palm PDA,
> only much, much thicker. He then swiped my driver's license through the
> reader, and showed me how my age -- 44 -- appeared in big numbers on hie
> display.
I don't normally go to bars that are big enough, commercial enough, or
swamped with college kids enough for this sort of thing. But about a
year and a half ago I went to Boston Billiards on Brookline Ave., and
had my ID swiped through this. I was totally taken aback -- I asked
the bouncer what the hell he was doing (as politely as possible). He
assured me no record was being made of it, nor would I end up on
anyone's mailing list, etc.
About a month later, a Boston Billiards promotional mailing showed up
in my mailbox. I can't say for certain that I never got one before,
but I certainly don't remember getting anything before then. I called
up and asked to be removed from their list and never got anything
again. That doesn't mean my info isn't still in their database
somewhere.
LJ Johnson
> laminated.
I think Nevada made the switch to the credit card style sometime in
the first half of 2002.
The new licenses are oriented vertically for anyone under 21. In the
upper half, there is a colored band under the state name which
indicates the day the license holder turns 21. There may be a similar
band for the day they turn 18.
-LJ
Stanley Cline
<smi...@pobox.upenn.edu> wrote:
>Speaking of magnetic strips, anyone had their license swiped by a bar
>bouncer yet?
I have heard of convenience stores in California (or was it Arizona?
I know it was a Western state...) swiping the licenses of those buying
alcohol (and *recording the license numbers*!), but not bars.
One interesting variation: Backstreet (the 24-hour, mostly gay
"private club" here in Atlanta -- which received a 30-day liquor
license suspension from Mayor Franklin on Wednesday :( , which
Backstreet is appealing) scans and stores images of the fronts of
DLs/state IDs (they use a business card scanner, IIRC) when one
"applies for" a membership. :)
>He pulled out a small terminal that was about the size of a Palm PDA,
>only much, much thicker. He then swiped my driver's license through the
>reader, and showed me how my age -- 44 -- appeared in big numbers on hie
>display.
What do they do about out-of-state/Canadian/etc. licenses? (They sure
couldn't do anything with my GA license, as GA licenses/state IDs have
a bar code on the back which contains a digitized fingerprint, but NO
mag-stripe.) I'd be concerned that the extensive use of "swiping"
could lead to out-of-state licenses being rejected for bars/alcohol
purchases/etc., as is the norm in certain Northeastern states whose
names start with the letter "M". :(
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james
> On 30 Jan 2003 19:12:54 -0800, vam...@innocent.com (james) wrote:
>
> >I've started introducing the idea here in Ohio of eliminating machine
> >readibility (not just on privacy grounds, but also on fraud grounds as
> >well. Machine readability is a fraud disaster waiting to happen.) So
> >maybe we'll get some legislation in the next five years or so.
>
> How is it, moreso than the human readable part?
>
> How about if the information was printed on the license in a font that
> could easily be machine read?
The tendency is that, if a human has a machine to scan the license,
they will only do the photograph to face comparison, ignore the
information on the front of the license, scan the license, and believe
whatever the computer says.
So, it is not uncommon for people to remagnetize the magnetic stripe
with new information.
1-d and 2-d barcodes can be redone, though in a more difficult way,
clearly. (However, if you know the license is going to be scanned, you
can probably make a piss-poor counterfeit license, knowing that the
important thing in the long run is that the scanning computer delivers
the right information.)
Machine readable fonts would be overall better...if machine
readibility was felt that requisite. It also has the advantage that no
secret information can be hidden, so the card's machine readibility
potential is limited, and that does have a privacy advantage
(Passports have machine readable fonts for apparently this reason.) On
the other hand, I think the social engineering component is still
there (whatever the machine says goes. So just make sure the fonts
look right, the document will get scanned, and no one will really care
about the vague authenticity details of the document.)
Sean Lyons
> In article <b13op8$f...@dispatch.concentric.net>, Spewman wrote:
> > Anyways, getting to my point, if Oklahoma is indeed only 1 of 4 states left
> > still issuing plastic laminted drivers licenses, can someone identify the
> > other 3?
>
> Both my last TN license and my current MS license are plastic
> laminated (or in my case, de-laminating due to a horrible lamination
> job; it's been peeling since the day I got it); AFAIK MS still is
> plastic laminated, but I don't know about Tennessee.
The first Ohio Drivers license I got, back in 1994, was still
laminated and peeled like crazy, especially after putting it through
the wash a few times. Then after getting my wallet ripped off at
school, I got the new credit-card style license with the magnetic
strip in back. This was in 1995.
Like the Nevada license, minors have their information printed
vertically, where the "over 21" people have normal licenses. Does
anyone know the reason why Ohio's licenses have two "mugshots" on
them?
Sean Lyons
http://www.angelfire.com/oh5/toluwohwys
A Refreshing Change in NW Ohio Road Coverage
james
> anyone know the reason why Ohio's licenses have two "mugshots" on
> them?
>
Yes...though the reason is absurdly stupid, at least, today.
Remember that the Ohio digitized license was introduced in May 1995.
Prior to that time, a fraudster, in order to create a fake license,
actually had to use a real photograph and stick it into the laminate.
So the thinking was that fraudsters would continue to use negative
based photographs in faking the new licenses. By having a second and
identical photograph on the document, which was identical in content
to the main photograph, but differently sized with a different
contrast ratio, the hope was that this would add another block in the
way of counterfeiters...who would be forced to play around with
photograph copying in order to get the shadow photograph just right.
Was this a reasonable concept? Perhaps it was in May 1995, but today
it's so absurd that it's become offensive. Microsoft Paint can
decrease an image by 40% and its contrast by 30% (dunno what the true
figures are...but I did hear em once.)
Your 2nd generation digitized licenses either don't have shadow
photographs on them, or they have really tiny shadow
photographs...which I suspect are just an aesthetic gimmick (which
composes a lot of state driver's license security features.)