Jon Carmack: dooming society?
Stanley Feinbaum
classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
gaming on PC's.
Now stop for a moment and think… What would have happened if Albert
Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is
unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to
create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack
could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
simply sits around coding violent computer games.
Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
yes.
Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
Doom. It's always the same story… Troubled youth plays doom or quake,
he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has
happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only
wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing
the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?
Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human
being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made
millions of dollars getting people hooked on psychotic games where
they compete on the internet to see who can dismember the most people.
I believe there is something morally wrong when millions of people
have computerized murder fantasies, and we have Jon Carmack to thank.
Carmack has used his superior intellect to create mayhem in society.
Many people play games such as quake so much that their minds are
permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
after he lost a ‘death match' and became catatonic.
It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man
has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has
wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and
warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process
and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one
day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack
somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence
to wreak havoc on society.
Sincerely,
Stanley Feinbaum
Eep²
I do agree with your implied attitude towards mindlessly violent games as a whole: developers need to grow up and mature as a whole.
bob stewart
Stanley Feinbaum trolled mindlessly:
<big snippage>
> Jon has
> wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and
> warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process
> and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide.
>
> Sincerely,
> Stanley Feinbaum
duh, Stanley, that's the American way.
Hedgehog
DemilinX
> Lets talk about Jon Carmack. Jon is the legendary programmer of such
> classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
> 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
> genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
> Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
> as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
> accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
> gaming on PC's.
There's so many errors in that paragraph I'm inclined to believe you're
being facetious. Not knowing for sure though I'll just not touch it.
> Now stop for a moment and think. What would have happened if Albert
> Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
> the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is
> unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to
> create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack
> could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
> simply sits around coding violent computer games.
Instead the military adapts his technology to their needs (research Marine
Doom and Marine Quake) so both the economy and the military
benefit -wonderful!
> Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
> yes.
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
> contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
> main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> Doom. It's always the same story. Troubled youth plays doom or quake,
> he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has
> happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only
> wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing
> the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?
Hundreds of times? Are you being facetious again, sir? Additionally
blaming Doom et al. for violence in youth is too easy yet invalid. Doom at
its time was amongst one of the best selling PC games ever. If a person
played PC games a few years ago chances were they had or did play Doom.
Projecting the idea that Doom was responsible is just plain silly as their
is no substantial link (look up the Surgeon General's report on PC game
violence, released over a year ago). The majority of these people who
play(ed) Doom are your average law-abiding citizen and not crazed killers.
> Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human
> being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made
> millions of dollars getting people hooked on psychotic games where
> they compete on the internet to see who can dismember the most people.
> I believe there is something morally wrong when millions of people
> have computerized murder fantasies, and we have Jon Carmack to thank.
> Carmack has used his superior intellect to create mayhem in society.
> Many people play games such as quake so much that their minds are
> permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
> after he lost a 'death match' and became catatonic.
>
> It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man
> has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has
> wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and
> warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process
> and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one
> day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack
> somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence
> to wreak havoc on society.
>
> Sincerely,
> Stanley Feinbaum
Beautiful post Feinbaum. I'm leaning to believe you're just out to heckle
people, but I'll leave what I wrote because I do not feel like deleting what
is there. :p
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np:
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intercede
after he lost a 'death match' and became catatonic."
Symptom of Parkinsons Disease. It would be impossible to say simply playing
a game put him in a catatonic state.
Perhaps if Einstein created the first Pong, we wouldn't be living in a
nuclear world. But he did, Carmack makes games and people are still dying of
hunger.
Carmack works for military, creates guidance system for ICBM and wipes out
an entire city. Or he makes video games...where's the evil?
So video games were single-handedly involved in all school shootings and
youth releated violence. They all came from functional, loving homes and
Quake3 was their downfall. Kids didn't pick on them, parents didn't neglect
them, teachers didn't ignore them and none had any symptoms of a sociopath.
I hope this letter was a joke, pulled late on saturday night after a few
beers and some light conversation, because the research sucks and I didn't
see one piece of your rhetoric backed up by any fact, statistic or even
simply explained in depth.
Sincerly,
Jon-Patrick Tanis
PS: Is this really John Romero?
"Stanley Feinbaum" <mister_fe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com...
> Lets talk about Jon Carmack. Jon is the legendary programmer of such
> classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
> 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
> genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
> Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
> as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
> accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
> gaming on PC's.
>
> Now stop for a moment and think. What would have happened if Albert
> Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
> the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is
> unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to
> create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack
> could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
> simply sits around coding violent computer games.
>
> Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
> yes.
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
> contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
> main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> Doom. It's always the same story. Troubled youth plays doom or quake,
Schrodinger
"Stanley Feinbaum" <mister_fe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com...
> classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
> 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
> genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
> Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
> as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
> accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
> gaming on PC's.
>
A well written, if innacurate (especially the first paragraph above, which
is just plain wrong technically), TROLL.
If it isn't a troll, then you really need to get a life.
Papa Lazarou
We've already got enough four-eyed scientist brainiacs coming up with new
ways of collecting sand on distant planets - I say more fun, blood and death
computer games !!
OscartheGrouch
inane paper you submitted on John Carmack and his alleged contributions the
the downfall of society. In fact I am recommending that you not be allowed
to graduate with the rest of the class until you are able to submit a paper
that does not give such a new definition to the term "mongoloid reasoning".
In fact, Mr. Feinbaum, I find your so called "composition" to be a complete
waste of the paper it was printed on rendering it fit only for use in the
latrine. Kindly apply yourself when next you take my class, and you will
will take it again, to doing some actual research and then applying the
scientific method to your analysis of said research, instead of your
unfortunate tendency herein scribbling down whatever thoughts pass through
what you have that passes for a brian after spending a weekend huffing
airplane glue because I saw you. I do hope you will take to heart this
little contructive review of your work. Now run along. I am giving some,
err, special help to a young coed in my office next with her pert,
succulent, dripping..oh never mind, get out. (door slams)
"What an ass hole".
Gerhard W. Gruber
Feinbaum) in comp.games.development.programming.misc with
<c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com>
Don't feed the troll!
>Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
Sure. JC created D3D and MS created OpenGL. :))
>the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is
>unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to
>create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack
>could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
>simply sits around coding violent computer games.
It's not "simply sitting around" it's hard work. Go and create something great
while "simply sitting around".
>Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
>yes.
Idiot. So its better to work for military than for entertainment? You are
really sick.
>Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
>contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
Sure. He is 666.
>main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
>Doom. It's always the same story… Troubled youth plays doom or quake,
Stupid prick! I always hate it when people spout such nonsense! Games don't
make murder, people do that. Furthermore there is not even a hint in research
that shows a relation between violent games and violent people.
>he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has
>happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only
>wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing
>the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?
I bet he is sleeping better than idiots like you who thinks he can blame his
personal deficencies on others.
>Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human
>being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made
:)))
>permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
>after he lost a ‘death match' and became catatonic.
Poor one. If this were true then he should investigate why he can't make a
difference between real world and a game. But I think that this "cousin of
yours" doesn't even exist and is only the creation of the spammer that you
are.
>It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man
>has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has
Yes. Greed, violence, injustice, etc. Things you really worked hard for.
>warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process
>and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one
Isn't that the american way of live? To trample poor people in order to get
rich? If so, then he would be the Perfect American and you should be proud of
him.
>Sincerely,
I hate this phrase from people like you, because everbody (including you)
knows that this "sincerely" just means "I hope I could inflame you with my
unjustified nonsense and put a little bit more chaos and hate into the world".
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Wertsachen KOSTENLOS und UNPROBLEMATISCH.
Philip A. Marshall
(Stanley Feinbaum) wrote:
>Lets talk about Jon Carmack. Jon is the legendary programmer of such
<snip>
blaming the downfall of society on one person or one event never gets
anywhere near the truth.
Brett
joking right?????
Jan Gruetz
Never_Again
came forth to alt.games.doom and thus spake unto all:
>Lets talk about Jon Carmack. Jon is the legendary programmer of such
>classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
>3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
>genre known as the first-person-shooter.
[more garbage toasted]
Does anyone know if it's possible to plonk by "Organization:" field?
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<snip>
> Carmack
> could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
> simply sits around coding violent computer games.
> Not only is Jon carmack not
> contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall.
So, how could JOHN Carmack make the world a better place by working for the
military?
> What was the
> main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> Doom. It's always the same story. Troubled youth plays doom or quake,
> he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates.
<snip.>
By this stupid statement alone (and let's not mention the cross-posting
because it is always a dead give-away), it is obvious that this is a lame
attempt on trolling. Sad...
Please don't feed the troll
Annie K.
(Stanley Feinbaum) wrote:
:What was the
:main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
:Doom.
ROFL!
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"Stanley Feinbaum" <mister_fe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com...
> classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
> 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
> genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
> Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
> as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
> accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
> gaming on PC's.
>
> Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
> the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is
> unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to
> create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack
> could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
> simply sits around coding violent computer games.
>
> Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
> yes.
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
> contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
> main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has
> happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only
> wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing
> the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?
>
> Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human
> being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made
> millions of dollars getting people hooked on psychotic games where
> they compete on the internet to see who can dismember the most people.
> I believe there is something morally wrong when millions of people
> have computerized murder fantasies, and we have Jon Carmack to thank.
> Carmack has used his superior intellect to create mayhem in society.
> Many people play games such as quake so much that their minds are
> permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
> after he lost a 'death match' and became catatonic.
>
> It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man
> has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has
> wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and
> warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process
> and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one
> day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack
> somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence
> to wreak havoc on society.
>
> Sincerely,
> Stanley Feinbaum
The problem with Columbine incident was not Doom, but rather a seriously
mentally disturbed teen, that could just have likely been watching the dirty
dozen (the non porn version) and done the same thing.
Parents responsibility, they lacked in it, and should have or be held
responsible for their teens action.
I've read the reports, violent video games promote violence - Only with
people that dont have moral value of some sort, or are mentally disturbed
enough to do such a thing.
I play FPS every now and then, and I guarentee I dont want to go shoot
people at work.
During my youth I played games like Astroids, did I want to go blow up my
school no! I played games that involved shooting every concievable object,
but I didnt open fire at anyone.
It's all about parenting.
Jon has nothing to do with it other than he was involved in some successful
games that mentally disturbed teens played. They certainly didnt get the
idea to shoot their classmates from it, though they may have or are using
that to bolster a defence.
Wally
jealous that you can't be that creative?
And your arguement that Doom caused the Columbine "massacre" doesn't hold
water for a second. That tired old arguement has been thoroughly beaten
into submission.
Why don't you spend more time worrying about yourself, your family and
friends, and your god than what a computer programmer chooses to do with his
life!
"Stanley Feinbaum" <mister_fe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com...
> Lets talk about Jon Carmack. Jon is the legendary programmer of such
> classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
> 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
> genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
> Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
> as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
> accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
> gaming on PC's.
[snip]
Andrew R. Gillett
> Now stop for a moment and think… What would have happened if Albert
> Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
> the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is
> unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to
> create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack
> could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
> simply sits around coding violent computer games.
>
> Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
> yes.
Actually, Carmack is working on a flying machine in his spare time:
cr88192
> I play FPS every now and then, and I guarentee I dont want to go shoot
> people at work.
>
I have been working on an os for a while, and am now considering going back
to working on a cad program (as my os effort is lagging...). luckily it
should just be a few source mutations to merge my os source into my cad
program...
maybe I should finish the persistent store while I am at it, as just
working on the userspace version should be a lot less of a pain...
EvilBill[AGQx]
Besides, we all know that it's Bill Gates that's set on world domination! ;)
(Non-gaming NG snipped from crosspost)
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Since the dawn of civilization, humankind has known nothing but war.
The only reason there weren't any world wars before 1914 is because
transportation and communication technology wasn't good enough to wage
a world war. Then what happened after World War 2? People started
watching TV. After that, no more world wars – and that's no
coincidence. Entertainment and technology have made life more
enjoyable, which makes us less willing to die. What else is so
different about us now, as opposed to 60 years ago? Even if there
wasn't a fear of nuclear power, never again in a million years will
you see Germany invade France, or Japan attack Pearl Harbor for no
good reason.
SuperTech®
"Gerhard W. Gruber" <spar...@gmx.at> wrote in message
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> On 29 Jun 2002 22:56:03 -0700 wrote mister_fe...@hotmail.com (Stanley
> Feinbaum) in comp.games.development.programming.misc with
> <c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com>
>
> Stupid prick! I always hate it when people spout such nonsense! Games don't
> make murder, people do that. Furthermore there is not even a hint in research
> that shows a relation between violent games and violent people.
>
I really like this part.
You know more acts of inhumanity have been done by religious fanatics than
gaming fanatics. I think you should really look at the underlying traits of the
individual and realize his choice of recreational actives makes little
difference on the acts he commits. Or are you ready to condemn religions as
well? Think about it!
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I feel your pain...and THANKS for the free frag!!
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la culpa de los asesinatos, habria cerca de dos mil millones de asesinos en
serie en el mundo, y sin duda yo sería el más sanguinario de todos, no es
así?
Por favor, no mezclemos politica con diversion, porque son dos cosas que
no tienen ABSOLUTAMENTE nada que ver.
Butcherr.
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"Stanley Feinbaum" <mister_fe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com...
> 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
> genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
> Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
> as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
> accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
> gaming on PC's.
>
> Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
> the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is
> unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to
> create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack
> could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
> simply sits around coding violent computer games.
>
> Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
> yes.
No, it is Jons place in history to be involved with entertainment rather
than more practical applications of his expertise. NASA for instance most
likely already has people of Jon's programming ability on their payrole.
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
> contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
> main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> Doom. It's always the same story. Troubled youth plays doom or quake,
> he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has
> happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only
> wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing
> the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?
Rediculous claim. Millions of people play the game and don't suddenly decide
to go kill people. The distrubed people who go and kill their fellow humans
are just defective products of society...it can't be blamed on the games
they played.
>
> Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human
> being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made
> millions of dollars getting people hooked on psychotic games where
> they compete on the internet to see who can dismember the most people.
How are they trying to dismember the most people? If the game was linked to
robots that did actually go and kill their opponents then maybe you could
make this claim, but as it is its not valid. They are just playing at war
online...surely that is much better than them actually being are war killing
real people which people don't do? Its escapism that lets people do things
in a virtual setting that they would never dream of doing in real life for
the sake of experiencing something new.
> I believe there is something morally wrong when millions of people
> have computerized murder fantasies, and we have Jon Carmack to thank.
> Carmack has used his superior intellect to create mayhem in society.
> Many people play games such as quake so much that their minds are
> permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
> after he lost a 'death match' and became catatonic.
Evidence that this happened? More likely is that he suffered from some kind
of brain disorder that was affected by flashing patterns that could easily
happen watching TV or something instead.
>
> It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man
> has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has
> wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and
> warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process
> and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one
> day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack
> somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence
> to wreak havoc on society.
In conclusion, you are an idiot who's view is coloured by ignorance and
misinterpretation of facts.
--
Blade ICQ#27537648
Why do people insist on trying to compare me to others? Don't they realise
no one can compare to me?
Change .con to demon<dot>co<dot>uk to send mail.
mackrune
LOL!
mackrune
thumper
awhile I had some of the most delightful, rendolent gas. Does that count
for anything? :-)
BTW - Stanley, Mr. Carmack didn't have anything to do with the game of
"Unreal." I'd advise you to get your facts straight too (like that Mr.
Michael Beselles (or however it's spelled?), the other prick who wrote that
recent book about gun control that was found to be chock full of fabricated
lies) before you write something again, but I guess for the media people of
today sticking to the truth when trying to get a point across is too much to
ask.
"Gerhard W. Gruber" <spar...@gmx.at> wrote in message
news:dhethu48onc5prv44...@4ax.com...
> On 29 Jun 2002 22:56:03 -0700 wrote mister_fe...@hotmail.com
(Stanley
> Feinbaum) in comp.games.development.programming.misc with
> <c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com>
>
SuperTech®
> Hey, I'm ready to condem religions. Where do I go to sign up?
>
> --
> "Women sense my power and they seek the life essence.
> I do not avoid women, Mandrake. But I do deny them my essence."
>
>
Hehe I said condemn NOT condom. Big difference. =P
Stephen Howe
JOHN CARMACK
> Jon is the legendary programmer of such
> classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d
Duke Nukem 3D? - Wrong!!!
>, Quake 1, 2, and 3, unreal,
Unreal? - Wrong!!!!
> and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
> genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
> Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format...
What a load of crap. You have that backwards. OpenGL is not a MS format,
DirectX is.
And John some time back put his weight behind OpenGL because it was easier
to program in ( and evidence that it was faster, at the time).
> Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
> contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
> main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> Doom.
You don't know that. There was probably several factors not one.
Only stupid people blame the _ONE_ factor (and then try in their stupidity
to convince others that their _ONE_ factor analysis is correct).
Stephen Howe
Ice
much.
"Stanley Feinbaum" <mister_fe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com...
> Lets talk about Jon Carmack. Jon is the legendary programmer of such
> classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
> 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
> genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
> Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
> as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
> accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
> gaming on PC's.
>
> Now stop for a moment and think. What would have happened if Albert
> Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
> the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is
> unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to
> create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack
> could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
> simply sits around coding violent computer games.
>
> Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
> yes.
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
> contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
> main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> Doom. It's always the same story. Troubled youth plays doom or quake,
> he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has
> happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only
> wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing
> the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?
>
> Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human
> being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made
> millions of dollars getting people hooked on psychotic games where
> they compete on the internet to see who can dismember the most people.
> I believe there is something morally wrong when millions of people
> have computerized murder fantasies, and we have Jon Carmack to thank.
> Carmack has used his superior intellect to create mayhem in society.
> Many people play games such as quake so much that their minds are
> permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
> after he lost a 'death match' and became catatonic.
>
> It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man
> has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has
> wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and
> warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process
> and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one
> day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack
> somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence
> to wreak havoc on society.
>
> Sincerely,
> Stanley Feinbaum
Silent-Scope
like to say that you are rediculous. Almost everyone knows the
diffrence between games and real life. Just becasue so people have had
bad influences by there parents dont mean the games they play are.
Most gamers play for fun and to make new friends. I cant believe a
game that a genious created can be put down so bad, Without him there
would be allot more kids that do other things like drugs. I dont know
how many good friends ive made over the years and have been taught
better than to go steel someones gun and go crazy. Its not the games
its that kill people its the people around them so please dont put
down people that are more skilled than you, your just jelous that the
best game you made was solitare with barney happy looking cards!
Collin Whyte
Stanley Feinbaum Trolled:
> Lets talk about Jo[h]n Carmack. Jo[h]n is the legendary programmer ...
> single handedly created the genre known as the first-person-shooter. He
> has also ... redefined gaming on PC's.
>
This I agree with.
>
> Now stop for a moment and think… What would have happened if Albert
> Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
> the theory of relativity?
We would know him as Albert "The Wizard" Einstein. He was a genius and
would have made it into the record books no matter what he did. Only his
interests were in relativity not pinball.
>
>
> Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
> yes.
>
According to you. [shrug] Life must be so much different to you from
within that little black book of yours.
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jo[h]n carmack not
> contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
> main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> Doom. [snip]
[sarcasm] Yes you are absolutely right. It was the games these youths were
playing that caused them to go and shoot numerous people. But don't forget
that it was the Asians who put the gun powder in their hands. And religion
for creating war like spirit to put into these cold youngsters.
[/sarcasm]
>
> Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human
> being that .... has made millions of dollars...
> It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how ... this man ...
> got rich ... and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide....
Amen
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Stanley Feinbaum
Thank you Stan for that informative little tidbit to brighten my day.
Cheers
Coltman
P.S. Yes I know that I should not feed the Trolls, But they are so sad and
I feel bad for them. ; - ]
Nitz Walsh
"Stanley Feinbaum" <mister_fe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com...
> Lets talk about Jon Carmack. Jon is the legendary programmer of such
And as the troll proves again, one is indeed born every minute.
Judging by the number of hooks this bait caught, more like one born every
second.
The Steel Wolf
mister_fe...@hotmail.com (Stanley Feinbaum) scripsit:
>Lets talk about Jon Carmack.
<snip enumeration of games that Jon Carmack has worked on, etc.>
>Now stop for a moment and think… What would have happened if Albert
>Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
>the theory of relativity?
<snip>
>Carmack could have been working for NASA or the US military, but
>instead he simply sits around coding violent computer games.
Why do you necessarily think that Jon Carmack is on the same level as
Albert Einstein? Also, why do you seem to think that his particular
talents would necessarily transfer well to applications that you would
deem more important to humanity? The man has a talent for coding
games. The same would not necessarily transfer to space program or
military applications, contrary to what you seem to imply.
>Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
>contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall.
What makes you you think that entertainment does nothing to contribute
to society?
>What was the main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in
>columbine? Doom. It's always the same story… Troubled youth plays
>doom or quake, he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his
>classmates.
I am sorry, but if you truly believe this then you are a truly
gullible individual who is in dire need of a clue.
>This has happened hundreds of times in the US alone.
Yet even though the same games are available all over the world, you
don't hear about these computer games causing epidemics of violence
elsewhere. Do you ever wonder why that might be? Could it be that
the cause of these incidents is not related to the games at all?
>Carmack is not only wasting his talents and intelligence; he is
>single-handedly causing the deaths of many young men and women.
Yes, because apparently the people who actually *KILLED THEM* had no
choice in the matter--they were automatons who were programmed to kill
by computer games, and as such cannot possibly be held responsible for
their own actions. I'm amazed you can say that with a straight face.
>How does he sleep at night?
How do *you*, when you spread all this utter rubbish?
>Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human
>being that is bent on total world destruction.
Adolf Hitler.
Joseph Stalin.
Osama bin Laden.
John Carmack.
Somehow I just don't think that works.
>I believe there is something morally wrong when millions of people
>have computerized murder fantasies, and we have Jon Carmack to thank.
We had murder fantasies long before computers or Jon Carmack. Nihil
novum sub sole.
>Many people play games such as quake so much that their minds are
>permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
>after he lost a ‘death match' and became catatonic.
Forgive me if I think that you're blatantly lying.
>Perhaps one day the US government will see the light and confine Jon
>Carmack somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his
>intelligence to wreak havoc on society.
Fortunately for those of us here in the U.S., the First Amendment
protects people like us from those such as yourself who would see us
stripped of our rights to free expression.
--
"I stood naked in a dark & bleak eternity & filled it with my
exultation." -- William Wynn Westcott
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Alan B
first-person-shooter. He
No he didn't, not by a long shot.
DemilinX
Har har. *knee slaping* Oh wait that was neither funny nor clever..
--
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www.northwestconcerts.com
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"I hate when lanes end."
Simon Foster
"Nitz Walsh" <some...@nitz.com> wrote in message
news:nBRT8.28916$YlV1....@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Of course he did. I thought s/he was quite funny in his/her portrayal of the
zealot who will find/make up facts to suit their opinion, and there was an
element of inviting the reader to share the joke. However, I was more
disappointed by the amount of people who took him/her seriously, or didn't
take it seriously but instead used the piece of nonsense as a soap box to
express views which they thought they were the first to ever think up.
Simon Foster
Kaito Fett
All to often some horrible thing happens and we as a society are quick
to blame some media but not ourselves. I truly feel sorry for those
that were killed in that school, but to blame a video game is just
like finding a quick scape goat. Those two boys were feeling alot of
stress and had more problems then you think. They tried to get help
but were ignored by the ones that were supposed to be there for them.
The flags were there but everyone's back was turned. After the fact
everyone wanted to blame something but themselves. Well those kids
played Doom so that had to be it right? Wrong. That game didnt give
them the will to kill. I have played alot of computer games and have
yet to find one more violent then a child's imagination. Ever played
pretend when you were a kid? Children come up with far sicker violent
images in their heads then any game or movie can. Personally I dont
like doom. I think its a pointless game. But blaming it is just as
pointless.
And your little analogy of Albert Einstien needs some work. Albert did
discover great things and thanks to his discoveries we got things like
atom bombs that killed more kids then all the high school shootings
combined. But I dont see you complaining about old Al huh? Thanks to
Albert our war machines grew in power and damage. So you can attribute
alot of what Albert discovered to alot more deaths. Maybe if old Al
sat on his rear and worked on pinball machines then alot of Japanese
kids would have grown up have kids of their own instead of dying of
horrible radiation diseases. And yes even a few American kids might
have known there american soldier fathers that never returned from
countless battles if Albert had thought of a better way to "tilt" a
machine.
Blaming a discovery or a thing is futile. There is no point to it.
Everyone felt D&D was evil and part of the reason a famous serial
killer had a copy of the rule book in his car. He also had a pair of
tennis shoes in his car but I dont see any religious groups picketing
tennis courts do I?
People like you cant admit the fact that humans are flawed and
whenever something bad happens you try to find someTHING to blame
instead of yourself. This is the main problem with our society. You
want to think of humans as benevolent and kind but in facts humans by
our own nature are predators plain and simple. So stop blaming things
and blame people.
Jon Carmak didnt cause that to happen. The only ones to blame are the
two boys and the people that saw they were hurting and did nothing for
them. Blame yourself before you blame someone who had absolutely
nothing to do with it.
Kaito Fett
F r e e
He started in a certain degree a (boring) genre..ok.... żbut would you go
frenzy about old bicycles?...me not...
Unreal was and is much more intelligent.
--
F r e e
Alan B
He's a game engine writer, and I don't think anyone would argue that
those engines are the best technically. The quality of the games built
on them is another thing entirely.
Gerhard W. Gruber
comp.games.development.programming.misc with
<HoJT8.11549$eF5.4...@twister.austin.rr.com>
>difference on the acts he commits. Or are you ready to condemn religions as
>well? Think about it!
Personally I do. Though I rather think that education (or rather the lack
thereof) is responsible for religious fanatics.
--
Bye,
Gerhard
Entsorgungsbetriebe GmbH. - Wir entsorgen Ihre
Wertsachen KOSTENLOS und UNPROBLEMATISCH.
Gerhard W. Gruber
<rune420_r...@start.no> in comp.games.development.programming.misc with
<afo23h$4lv$1...@troll.powertech.no>
>This guy has to be a troll. I can't believe how many people fell for it!
>LOL!
Maybe he is a troll, but the underlying opinions in his post do affect laws.
If you consider the recent happening here in Germany where afterwards every
politicion knew for sure that "violent games" are the source of all evil and
they hurredly passed a law that becomes active, I think in a few months, then
you would understand it.
Ixnei
military programmer on various "invasion of privacy" 'need-to-know'
dark ops! Instead, he merely makes all our children into violents!
And, just think if Einstein hadn't pushed his 'agenda' - we wouldn't
have nuked two Japanese cities, full of women and children, to 'high
hell'! Good thing, we must breed the hate!!!
PS - loved the x-posting (or maybe that's simply a forged header by
initial poster - always used to get baited by those 'types' - and then
the "top posting" flamage would ensue...).
On 29 Jun 2002 22:56:03 -0700, mister_fe...@hotmail.com
(Stanley Feinbaum) wrote:
>Lets talk about Jon Carmack. Jon is the legendary programmer of such
>classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
>3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
>genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
>Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
>as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
>accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
>gaming on PC's.
>
>Now stop for a moment and think… What would have happened if Albert
>Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
>the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is
>unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to
>create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack
>could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
>simply sits around coding violent computer games.
>
>Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
>yes.
>
>Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
>contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
>main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
>Doom. It's always the same story… Troubled youth plays doom or quake,
>he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has
>happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only
>wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing
>the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?
>
>Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human
>being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made
>millions of dollars getting people hooked on psychotic games where
>they compete on the internet to see who can dismember the most people.
>I believe there is something morally wrong when millions of people
>have computerized murder fantasies, and we have Jon Carmack to thank.
>Carmack has used his superior intellect to create mayhem in society.
>Many people play games such as quake so much that their minds are
>permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
>after he lost a ‘death match' and became catatonic.
>
>It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man
>has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has
>wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and
>warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process
>and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one
>day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack
>somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence
>to wreak havoc on society.
>
>Sincerely,
>Stanley Feinbaum
Ixnei
LOL.
Gavin
anointment utensil, Stanley Feinbaum <mister_fe...@hotmail.com>
poots forth...
> A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
>after he lost a 租eath match' and became catatonic.
That's a great ad line for Doom III, right there.
--
sprinkling the dust of the Grand Wazoo, I remain,
Gavin Smith
--
Nitz Walsh
"DemilinX" <demi...@juno.com> wrote in message
news:sPUT8.245995$6m5.2...@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
> > Judging by the number of hooks this bait caught, more like one born
> > every second.
>
> Har har. *knee slaping* Oh wait that was neither funny nor clever..
It wasn't intended to cause side-splitting guffaws, rather to point out what
should be patently obvious - it's a troll.
Seeing as you fell for it and actually took time to respond to in _detail_,
I can understand how your embarrassment would translate into vindictive for
anyone who would draw attention to your extreme gullibility.
Nitz Walsh
"Simon Foster" <si...@imageer.force9.co.uk> wrote in message
news:85VT8.12337$xU5.812984@wards...
> disappointed by the amount of people who took him/her seriously, or didn't
> take it seriously but instead used the piece of nonsense as a soap box to
> express views which they thought they were the first to ever think up.
You've just described probably ~90% of Usenet gaming threads. :)
mackrune
|| On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:56:41 +0200 wrote "mackrune"
|| <rune420_r...@start.no> in
|| comp.games.development.programming.misc with
|| <afo23h$4lv$1...@troll.powertech.no>
||
||| This guy has to be a troll. I can't believe how many people fell
||| for it! LOL!
||
|| Maybe he is a troll, but the underlying opinions in his post do
|| affect laws. If you consider the recent happening here in Germany
|| where afterwards every politicion knew for sure that "violent games"
|| are the source of all evil and they hurredly passed a law that
|| becomes active, I think in a few months, then you would understand
|| it.
||
A troll is a troll, you shouldn't let the things he write get to you, he's
only looking to p*ss people off for a good laugh.
mackrune
Roger Christie
> On 29 Jun 2002 22:56:03 -0700 wrote mister_fe...@hotmail.com (Stanley
> Feinbaum) in comp.games.development.programming.misc with
> <c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com>
>
>
> >Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
>
>
> >the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is
> >unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to
> >create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack
> >could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
> >simply sits around coding violent computer games.
>
> while "simply sitting around".
>
> >yes.
>
> really sick.
>
> >Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
> >contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
>
>
> >main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> >Doom. It's always the same story… Troubled youth plays doom or quake,
>
> make murder, people do that. Furthermore there is not even a hint in research
> that shows a relation between violent games and violent people.
>
> >he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has
> >happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only
> >wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing
> >the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?
>
> personal deficencies on others.
>
> >Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human
> >being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made
>
>
> >permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
> >after he lost a ‘death match' and became catatonic.
>
> difference between real world and a game. But I think that this "cousin of
> yours" doesn't even exist and is only the creation of the spammer that you
> are.
>
> >It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man
> >has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has
>
>
> >warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process
> >and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one
>
> rich? If so, then he would be the Perfect American and you should be proud of
> him.
>
> >Sincerely,
>
> I hate this phrase from people like you, because everbody (including you)
> knows that this "sincerely" just means "I hope I could inflame you with my
> unjustified nonsense and put a little bit more chaos and hate into the world".
Another fish reeled in.
Gerhard W. Gruber
comp.games.development.programming.misc with
<q7v0iucl44sp0nbc1...@4ax.com>
>Can you Germans yet purchase the Wolfenstein game (with swastikaz)?
>LOL.
The nice thing is that it doesn't affect game play, so there is no difference.
Since I'm an Austrian I'm allowed to buy the original version, but I'm living
here in Germany now and so it's forbidden. I have played both and there is no
difference. The changes to get rid of all symbols are so nicely done that you
don't even notice it. :)
McGrandpa [AGQx]
took it.
McG.
"Stanley Feinbaum" <mister_fe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com...
> Lets talk about Jon Carmack. Jon is the legendary programmer of such
> classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
> 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
> genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
> Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
> as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
> accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
> gaming on PC's.
>
> Now stop for a moment and think. What would have happened if Albert
> Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
> the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is
> unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to
> create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack
> could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
> simply sits around coding violent computer games.
>
> Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
> yes.
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
> contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
> main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> Doom. It's always the same story. Troubled youth plays doom or quake,
> he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has
> happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only
> wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing
> the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?
>
> Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human
> being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made
> millions of dollars getting people hooked on psychotic games where
> they compete on the internet to see who can dismember the most people.
> I believe there is something morally wrong when millions of people
> have computerized murder fantasies, and we have Jon Carmack to thank.
> Carmack has used his superior intellect to create mayhem in society.
> Many people play games such as quake so much that their minds are
> permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
> after he lost a 'death match' and became catatonic.
>
> It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man
> has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has
> wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and
> warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process
> and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one
> day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack
> somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence
> to wreak havoc on society.
>
> Sincerely,
> Stanley Feinbaum
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Nitz Walsh
> Maybe he is a troll, but the underlying opinions in his post do affect
laws.
Wow. That's some political system you've got there!
Nod TuGud
"Stanley Feinbaum" <mister_fe...@hotmail.com> glibbly managed to
troll and catch in his message....
troll...trolll...troll....
Nod TuGud =AGQx=
3DGuy
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> On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:01:58 +0200, 3DGuy
> <3DGuy....@zeelandnet.nl> posted:
>
>
>>Indeed, And Quake3 is OpenGL not MS's Direct3D as well..
>
>
> Er? Don't you guys know a troll when you see one?
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> It wasn't intended to cause side-splitting guffaws, rather to point
> out what should be patently obvious - it's a troll.
Sorry about my post. I think someone pissed in my cereal that day. ;) I
get in weird funks sometimes.
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I didn't write that HE affects laws but the opinions he expressed because they
are shared by many others, especially politicians who have to win an election
by eradicating the source of all evil, which we by now know. Maybe Gerhard
Schroeder should pass a prohibition for Carmack so that he is not allowed to
enter Germany and Germany will be the only place on earth where true peace
will be (apart from Taliban controlled regions of course).
Erik Max Francis
> Maybe he is a troll, but the underlying opinions in his post do
> affect
> laws.
Don't kid yourself; lawmakers all over the world are starting to get it
into their heads that there is a direct link between violent games and
violent behavior, that there is one between violent television and
violenet behavior, etc.
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disregard this then...oops, too late..da%$!
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Nitz Walsh
"Erik Max Francis" <m...@alcyone.com> wrote in message
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> Nitz Walsh wrote:
>
> > Maybe he is a troll, but the underlying opinions in his post do
> > affect
> > laws.
>
> Don't kid yourself;
No, I didn't write that. Please quote correctly.
Nitz Walsh
> Sorry about my post. I think someone pissed in my cereal that day. ;) I
> get in weird funks sometimes.
No problem. :)
Stanley Feinbaum
> Stanley deliberately munged the facts. This story is bait. You all
> took it.
> McG.
I take offence to you claiming my post was a troll. I was simply
trying to bring up some important facts relating to doom and jon
carmack. It is important that these facts be given the proper light
with the quake/doom community.
I find that starting a new topic simply to attack me was done to
incite a flamewar. Please do not use me or references to my posts to
needlessly troll the quake community.
TekVideo
"Stanley Feinbaum" <mister_fe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Lets talk about Jon Carmack. Jon is the legendary programmer of such
> classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
> 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
> genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
> Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
> as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
> accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
> gaming on PC's.
Oooh.. I smell bacon. Do you smell bacon?
Gropo-Six
"Nitz Walsh" <some...@nitz.com> wrote in message
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Seeing as I've gotten entangled in this thread :
IMO - Games, movies, etc have little effect on behaviour.
While growing up I was exposed to:
Mother Goose & Fairy tales like
Three little pigs, Little Red Riding Hood, etc.
Cartoons like
Tom & Jerry, The Road Runner etc.
Movies included
Westerns, WW2, Crime, Sci-Fi, etc.
From grade school until I got married, I always had access
to guns & ammo, but inspite of the above, I never went nuts.
As far as I know, nor did any of the kids I grew up with.
IMO the three main causes of the current violence problems:
1: Too many people living too close together
We're tribal & territorial by nature & don't like over crowding
2: News reporting that sensationalizes the violence
This is the most likely source of ideas to copy
3: Bleeding-heart liberals that love to come up with any
"reason" that excuses the action of these ass-holes
Example: the guy that started this stupid thread !
F r e e
you are, mixed up with mesianic shit ;-)
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Nitz Walsh
> >> Maybe he is a troll, but the underlying opinions in his post do affect
> >laws.
> >
> >Wow. That's some political system you've got there!
>
> I didn't write that HE affects laws but the opinions he expressed because
they
> are shared by many others,
I realize that, I was having a little fun - which the troll you replied to
was doing as well.
Nitz Walsh
> I take offence to you claiming my post was a troll.
Well, guess you're not a troll then! That settles it!
Fish elsewhere kid.
asnagrim
"Stanley Feinbaum" wrote>
>Carmack
>could have been working for NASA or the US military, >but instead he
>simply sits around coding violent computer games.
yes i know you are a troll but....you do realise that the US military are
developing violent video games right?
I'll leave it up to you to speculate what john carmack would be doing for
the US military..........
NightSky 421
>
<snip>
>
> It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man
> has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has
> wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and
> warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process
> and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one
> day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack
> somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence
> to wreak havoc on society.
>
> Sincerely,
> Stanley Feinbaum
I think I speak for most people when I say that the vast majority of society
are able to differentiate fantasy (video games and computer games) from
reality. Killing a person or creature on a computer screen is a heck of a
lot different than the idea of doing it for real. It's convenient to
condemn the gaming industry for "warping" this country forever and "causing
the deaths of innocent children" when in fact there could - and is - a slew
of other reasons why there is violence in society. Have you ever watched
television? You don't have to look very long before you encounter a show
featuring some sort of violence, yes sometimes with weapons. Also, there
are other factors. Violence and fighting have been around long before the
invention of games and television. I like to think that most parents are
good and responsible parents who teach their kids good values, but there are
always a percentage of people who simply aren't good parents for whatever
reason.
Anyone care to add anything further?
Erik Max Francis
> Have you ever watched
> television? You don't have to look very long before you encounter a
> show
> featuring some sort of violence, yes sometimes with weapons.
I think it's rather ironic that you're defending violence in games by
pointing at violence on TV as the real problem ...
thumper
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He'd probably be on CQ right now...
mackrune
|| "McGrandpa [AGQx]" <mmccol...@NOThouston.rr.com> wrote in message
|| news:<ll1U8.21896$q53.5...@twister.austin.rr.com>...
||| Stanley deliberately munged the facts. This story is bait. You all
||| took it.
||| McG.
||
|| I take offence to you claiming my post was a troll. I was simply
|| trying to bring up some important facts relating to doom and jon
|| carmack. It is important that these facts be given the proper light
|| with the quake/doom community.
Let it go, troll. I think you've squeezed the last laugh out of this thread
by far now.
mackrune
[tKm]SepulchralŽ
You contributed to this thread 8 times at last count and now you've drawn me into it! Crossposting no less! Whoo-hoo!
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"I have come to the conclusion that my
subjective account of my own motivation
is largely mythical on almost all occasions.
I don't know why I do things."
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| "DemilinX" <demi...@juno.com> wrote in message
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| > > Judging by the number of hooks this bait caught, more like one born
| > > every second.
| >
| > Har har. *knee slaping* Oh wait that was neither funny nor clever..
|
| It wasn't intended to cause side-splitting guffaws, rather to point out what
| should be patently obvious - it's a troll.
|
| Seeing as you fell for it and actually took time to respond to in _detail_,
| I can understand how your embarrassment would translate into vindictive for
| anyone who would draw attention to your extreme gullibility.
|
|
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I don't know why I do things."
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"Stanley Feinbaum" <mister_fe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:c0cc9e07.02070...@posting.google.com...
ZuBsPaCe
Carmack to Einstein??? Einstein was a great scientist, no doubt, but not all
of his inventions helped mankind. How about Hiroshima, the Cold War, or even
Tschernobyl ???? And U think, if a boy kills 20 peoples in an school
masacre, it's because of Unreal Tournament? CRAP! That's a f@ē!n problem of
our society and not of computer games. They play just a small part in our
downfall! Why are those games so popular? Think about it. Is Bin Laden
playin Wolvenstein 3D in his bunker? Think about it. What about the shotgun
lying downstairs in your cellar? Yeah, guess.
Serve La
"Gropo-Six" <grop...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> IMO - Games, movies, etc have little effect on behaviour.
> While growing up I was exposed to:
> Mother Goose & Fairy tales like
> Three little pigs, Little Red Riding Hood, etc.
> Cartoons like
> Tom & Jerry, The Road Runner etc.
> Movies included
> Westerns, WW2, Crime, Sci-Fi, etc.
>
> From grade school until I got married, I always had access
> to guns & ammo, but inspite of the above, I never went nuts.
> As far as I know, nor did any of the kids I grew up with.
It's pretty clear to me now, if you saw all these movies EXCEPT Mother
Goose, you probably would've become a mass murderer.
I can already see the headlines
"Mother Goose saves hundreds of people!"
"Mother Goose saves war!"
sven
i firmly believe in the freedom of choice, given that jour choices do
not hurt somebody else.
thus john can make more games and what i do with them is my very own
personal responsability only.
easy.
sven
Stanley Feinbaum wrote:
>
> Lets talk about Jon Carmack. Jon is the legendary programmer of such
> classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
> 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
> genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
> Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
> as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
> accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
> gaming on PC's.
>
> Now stop for a moment and think… What would have happened if Albert
> Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
> the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is
> unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to
> create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity. Carmack
> could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
> simply sits around coding violent computer games.
>
> Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
> yes.
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
> contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
> main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> Doom. It's always the same story… Troubled youth plays doom or quake,
> he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has
> happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only
> wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing
> the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?
>
> Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human
> being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made
> millions of dollars getting people hooked on psychotic games where
> they compete on the internet to see who can dismember the most people.
> I believe there is something morally wrong when millions of people
> have computerized murder fantasies, and we have Jon Carmack to thank.
> Carmack has used his superior intellect to create mayhem in society.
> Many people play games such as quake so much that their minds are
> permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
> after he lost a ‘death match' and became catatonic.
>
Krud
>
> Now stop for a moment and think. What would have happened if Albert
> Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
> the theory of relativity?
We would all be speaking Japanese now.
> Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
> yes.
His mother probably said the same thing until he bought her a new house.
> Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
> contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
> main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> Doom. It's always the same story. Troubled youth plays doom or quake,
> he arms himself to the teeth, he kills his classmates. This has
> happened hundreds of times in the US alone. Carmack is not only
> wasting his talents and intelligence; he is single-handedly causing
> the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?
Wow, if he had become a nuclear physicist all those kids would designing
nuclear bombs. Thank God he became a game designer!
> Carmack is a classic example of a very talented and intelligent human
> being that is bent on total world destruction. Incredibly, he has made
> millions of dollars getting people hooked on psychotic games where
> they compete on the internet to see who can dismember the most people.
If he wanted total world destruction he probably would have thought of a
better way, like starting a global religious war by terrorizing innocent
people across the globe. Wait..... the Arabs and Muslims already thought of
that. Never mind.
> I believe there is something morally wrong when millions of people
> have computerized murder fantasies, and we have Jon Carmack to thank.
> Carmack has used his superior intellect to create mayhem in society.
> Many people play games such as quake so much that their minds are
> permanently warped. A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
> after he lost a 'death match' and became catatonic.
Lets hope it runs in the family, you fucking twit.
> It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man
> has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has
> wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and
> warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process
> and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one
> day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack
> somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence
> to wreak havoc on society.
Move over Satan, there's a new kid in town!
-Krud
Krud
> Glaring unfactual information abonded when Stanley Feinbaum wrote:
> > Lets talk about Jon Carmack. Jon is the legendary programmer of such
> > classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
> > 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3. Jon has single handedly created the
> > genre known as the first-person-shooter. He has also popularized the
> > Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
> > as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
> > accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
> > gaming on PC's.
>
> being facetious. Not knowing for sure though I'll just not touch it.
Ding! You win a cookie!
-Krud
Skeksis
news:c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com:
> Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
> contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall. What was the
> main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> Doom.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahaha
And WHERE were the parents???? They would have had to havebeen completely
blind or totally self absorbed not to notice that something was wrong, Nice
try at taking a swing at the currently fashionable target, but at best it is
a strike out. No home run for you.
Skeksis
Krud
"The Chronic" <bla...@inorbit.com> wrote in message
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> John Carmack creates entertainment, and entertainment prevents war.
> Since the dawn of civilization, humankind has known nothing but war.
> The only reason there weren't any world wars before 1914 is because
> transportation and communication technology wasn't good enough to wage
> a world war. Then what happened after World War 2? People started
> watching TV. After that, no more world wars - and that's no
> coincidence. Entertainment and technology have made life more
> enjoyable, which makes us less willing to die. What else is so
> different about us now, as opposed to 60 years ago? Even if there
> wasn't a fear of nuclear power, never again in a million years will
> you see Germany invade France, or Japan attack Pearl Harbor for no
> good reason.
They had a good reason?
-Krud
Skeksis
> Personally I do. Though I rather think that education (or rather the
> lack thereof) is responsible for religious fanatics.
One could argue that lack of education makes for fanatics, not just
religious ones.
Skeksis
Krud
"NightSky 421" <nightsky4...@excite.com> wrote in message
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> "Stanley Feinbaum" <mister_fe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com...
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > It is unfortunate that most people do not realize how much this man
> > has damaged all the things we have worked hard for in America. Jon has
> > wasted his intelligence, caused the deaths of innocent children, and
> > warped this country forever. To top it off, he got rich in the process
> > and is revered by millions of computer users worldwide. Perhaps one
> > day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack
> > somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence
> > to wreak havoc on society.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Stanley Feinbaum
>
>
> I think I speak for most people when I say that the vast majority of society
> are able to differentiate fantasy (video games and computer games) from
> reality.
So why are so many people on this newsgroup taking this guy's post seriously?
-Krud
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Serve La
"Krud" <au...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> > I think I speak for most people when I say that the vast majority of
society
> > are able to differentiate fantasy (video games and computer games) from
> > reality.
>
> So why are so many people on this newsgroup taking this guy's post
seriously?
My theory (and that of others) is that people love to nitpick and correct
small mistakes people make. You offend some people and make some mistakes in
the process, always a success. I mean, who cares besided mr Carmack and your
local tax collector if it's Jon or John, come on.
Here's my absolute favorite a little while back in alt.religion.kibology
(ah, that's why christian teens is in here).
> You have been trolled, unfortunately. April 29th, also known as April
Fools
> Day, is a date that only occurs on leap years.
Holy crap, what planet are you from.
Maybe you are thinking of February 29th for leap year and the 1st of
April as Fools day.
A lot more people replied there, it was good fun!
BTW, don't you think that with all these christian sex scandals that
christian-teens have "a bit of an undertone"?
Jim Beam
> Lets talk about Jon Carmack.
First of all, his nameis John Carmack.
> Jon is the legendary programmer of such
> classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
> 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3.
He didnt code Unreal.
> Jon has single handedly created the
> genre known as the first-person-shooter.
It wasnt Carmack alone. The blood and gore was contributed by a talented
designer named John Romero.
> He has also popularized the
> Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
> as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
> accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
> gaming on PC's.
Microsoft is not to "blame" for OpenGL. And GLQuake was the first
accelerated version of Quake.
> Now stop for a moment and think… What would have happened if Albert
> Einstein had worked creating amazing pinball games instead of creating
> the theory of relativity? Humanity would suffer! Jon carmack is
> unfortunately doing JUST THIS, using his gifts at computer coding to
> create games instead of furthering the knowledge of humanity.
ROFL. Comparing Carmack to Einstein is quite funny.
> Carmack
> could have been working for NASA or the US military, but instead he
> simply sits around coding violent computer games.
Yes I'm sure the world will benefit from Carmack working for the US
Military... damn, you doin' drugs?
> Is this a waste of a special and rare talent? Sadly, the answer is
> yes.
Special and rare? He is in fact the big cheese in 3D gaming - and thats
about it.
> Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Not only is Jon carmack not
> contributing to society, he is causing it's downfall.
How about you look in the mirror? (see end of reply).
> What was the
> main reason for the mass murder of dozens of people in columbine?
> Doom.
Of course its Doom - not. Its that sick and fucked up society you got there
in the US with its gloryfication of violence, and that isnt just because of
Doom. What about those nifty TV shows? The funny Movies? The low moral
profile?
> he is single-handedly causing
> the deaths of many young men and women. How does he sleep at night?
How do you sleep at night? You blame one man for all the worlds problems
and accuse him of murder. You need help.
> A cousin of mine has been in therapy for 6 months
> after he lost a ‘death match' and became catatonic.
You might want to blame his family - they obviously failed raising him
properly.
> Perhaps one
> day the US government will see the light and confine Jon Carmack
> somewhere with no computers so he can no longer use his intelligence
> to wreak havoc on society.
Nazi tactics.
> Sincerely,
> Stanley Feinbaum
However, browsing through all this garbage leads to the conclusion that you
are just a troll trying to stir up some shit.
Vinster
"SuperTech®" <F#%$@SPAMSCREWED.COM> wrote in message
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> >
> > Hey, I'm ready to condem religions. Where do I go to sign up?
> >
> > --
> > "Women sense my power and they seek the life essence.
> > I do not avoid women, Mandrake. But I do deny them my essence."
> >
> > Steve ® Inglo
> >
>
> Hehe I said condemn NOT condom. Big difference. =P
>
>
> --
> Mark
> SuperTech
> For all those players with dial_up modems and packet loss - riddled
connections.
> I feel your pain...and THANKS for the free frag!!
> --
>
>
Gerhard W. Gruber
comp.games.development.programming.misc with <3D20B9B0...@alcyone.com>
>Don't kid yourself; lawmakers all over the world are starting to get it
>into their heads that there is a direct link between violent games and
>violent behavior, that there is one between violent television and
>violenet behavior, etc.
Since you seem to know more then everybody else, maybe you could share the
source of your insight and/or maybe cite a link or something that supports the
"direct link between violent games and violent behaviour". I'm looking really
forward to your response and I'm sure that every decisionmaker might also be
of eternal gratefulness toward you by providing hard facts for that statement.
--
Bye,
Gerhard
Entsorgungsbetriebe GmbH. - Wir entsorgen Ihre
Wertsachen KOSTENLOS und UNPROBLEMATISCH.
Niall Kavanagh
> blah blah blah blah
I can't believe you're all responding to this! As trolls go, it was pretty
entertaining, but still glaringly obvious. Sounds like something Something
Awful (http://www.somethingawful.com) would do.
--
dev
Jim Beam
> Since you seem to know more then everybody else, maybe you could share
> the source of your insight and/or maybe cite a link or something that
> supports the "direct link between violent games and violent behaviour".
> I'm looking really forward to your response and I'm sure that every
> decisionmaker might also be of eternal gratefulness toward you by
> providing hard facts for that statement.
Es spielt keine rolle ob es beweise gibt, tatsache ist dass
entscheidungstraeger genau das denken - siehe Erfurt und die bpjs (der
politische druck der auf die bpjs ausgeuebt wurde). da kommt noch was auf
euch zu in deutschland. und sicher auch bald auf die amerikaner wenn
erstmal ein anwalt anfaengt die spiele industrie zu verklagen und damit
eventuell auch noch erfolg hat.
Gropo-Six
"Skeksis" <n...@na.com> wrote in message
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Playing Doom etc. is much less likely to produce killers etc. than
being educated by religious groups - I doubt the men envolved in
9/11 did it because they'd been raised on violent video games !
And how about the Catholics & Protestants in Ireland ?
Joe62
wrote:
>There's so many errors in that paragraph ...
None as big as your error in thinking that the post was serious. ;-)
thumper
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"Krud" <au...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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DemilinX
Heh. I'm naive to believe in giving everyone a chance to speak. ;)
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> mister_fe...@hotmail.com (Stanley Feinbaum) wrote in
> news:c0cc9e07.02062...@posting.google.com:
>
>> Lets talk about Jon Carmack.
>
> First of all, his nameis John Carmack.
>
>
>> Jon is the legendary programmer of such
>> classic PC games as Wolfenstein, Doom, Duke nukem 3d, Quake 1, 2, and
>> 3, unreal, and the upcoming doom3.
>
> He didnt code Unreal.
>
>
>> Jon has single handedly created the
>> genre known as the first-person-shooter.
>
> It wasnt Carmack alone. The blood and gore was contributed by a
> talented designer named John Romero.
>
>> He has also popularized the
>> Direct3d 3d format over Microsoft's competing Opengl format, as well
>> as caused public interest in 3d cards when he first released
>> accelerated quake for the s3 virge chipset. Jon carmack has redefined
>> gaming on PC's.
>
> Microsoft is not to "blame" for OpenGL. And GLQuake was the first
> accelerated version of Quake.
Excuse me for being an ass for a second when I make a slight correction.
VQuake was the first accelerated version of Quake and it ran on the
Rendition Verite 1000 series of 3D accelerators. GLQuake came a little bit
later. Again, I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude but just want to point
out a slight mistake in that statement. :)
NokNokMan
They ported HexenII to Verite, too. Nice...
Gavin
>Nitz Walsh wrote:
>
>> Maybe he is a troll, but the underlying opinions in his post do
>> affect
>> laws.
>
>Don't kid yourself; lawmakers all over the world are starting to get it
>into their heads that there is a direct link between violent games and
>violent behavior, that there is one between violent television and
>violenet behavior, etc.
I read "lawmakers" as "lawnmowers" at first. And I got very scared.
Jim Beam
news:eNsU8.220915$R61....@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net:
>> Microsoft is not to "blame" for OpenGL. And GLQuake was the first
>> accelerated version of Quake.
>
> Excuse me for being an ass for a second when I make a slight
> correction. VQuake was the first accelerated version of Quake and it
> ran on the Rendition Verite 1000 series of 3D accelerators. GLQuake
> came a little bit later. Again, I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude
> but just want to point out a slight mistake in that statement. :)
Yes, you're obviously right. I forgot about that less than useable version
(I wonder why there was a GL patch for Verite cards...), although Carmack
hyped the Verite parts like there's no tomorrow ...