Comments on these Dreamcast games?
Scott H
Dreamcast's lifetime, and I was wondering if maybe the reviewers were
exaggerating one problem or another for the bad rating, as they all have
comments about unique or otherwise refined gameplay mechanics in the reviews
too. Did anybody play these games, and if so what did you think about them?
Death Crimson OX
Demolition Racer: No Exit
Formula 1 World Grand Prix
Gundam Sidestory: 0079
Industrial Spy: Operation Espionage
Kiss: Psycho Circus
Ooga Booga
Soldier of Fortune
Surf Rocket Racer
Trickstyle
Urban Chaos
Wild Metal
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Scott H wrote:
>
> These are some games that I never even bothered to play during the
> Dreamcast's lifetime, and I was wondering if maybe the reviewers were
> exaggerating one problem or another for the bad rating, as they all have
> comments about unique or otherwise refined gameplay mechanics in the reviews
> too. Did anybody play these games, and if so what did you think about them?
>
> Death Crimson OX
It's no Confidential Mission or House of the Dead 2, but it's an alright
gun shooter, especially compared to Death Crimson 1 and 2. Get it if you
can find it cheaply; I paid under $20 for it new and don't really regret
it, but i can't say I've been compelled to play it all the way through, either.
> Demolition Racer: No Exit
A great game, by yourself or with others. Supposedly this was way better
than the PSX game that preceeded it. It's (fairly obviously) not a
standard racer, but is great fun once you realize you need to not merely
place high in the race, but need to damage the other cars enough to win.
There's also a mini game that uses the gun.
The game is great fun with friends (well, one friend at a time; it only
supports 2 players at a time) since it combines the joys of racing and
beating on each other; or just beating on each other if you play in the
demolition derby mode "No Exit".
> Ooga Booga
A great game, but with someone else. It's good for killing some time by
yourself, but is kinda limited. It played well online; I haven't checked
recently to see if the servers were still up at all, but they were
pretty vacant last I checked in January. It also suffered from having
vets who would play all the time and destroy everyone who wasn't a vet,
meaning no one else could get any better, helping to kill off the servers...
Brian Pipa
> Trickstyle
>
Not bad, but I found it difficult to play so didn't get very far.
> Urban Chaos
>
SUCKS. Played it for maybe 5 minutes and realized how bad it sucks.
> Wild Metal
>
I like Wild Metal. Fun tank game.
Brian
Shawn & Nichol
"Scott H" <Weapo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> These are some games that I never even bothered to play during the
> Dreamcast's lifetime, and I was wondering if maybe the reviewers were
> exaggerating one problem or another for the bad rating, as they all have
> comments about unique or otherwise refined gameplay mechanics in the
reviews
> too. Did anybody play these games, and if so what did you think about
them?
>
> Death Crimson OX
My least favorite gun game on the Dreamcast. I don't think that it is as
horrible as some state, but it certainly wasn't memorable for anything
either. I think that any other gun game is a better choice on the system.
> Demolition Racer: No Exit
The best game on your list. I would recommend this game to anyone that
likes racing or demolition derbies. Actually, in this case, a combination
of both. A great 2-player game that I spent a lot of time playing.
> Formula 1 World Grand Prix
One of the few games on the system that I didn't really play much. I would
have no basis for an opinion.
> Gundam Sidestory: 0079
If you're a Gundam fan, this isn't a bad game. However, there are much
better Gundam games out there, even on the Dreamcast (if you're willing to
import). It kind of plays like a FPS/action game. I had some trouble with
the controls, particularily turning around :)
> Industrial Spy: Operation Espionage
If you're into graphics, this is not your game. They are very primitive and
drab. However, I liked the style of the game. It was a rather unique
strategy/stealth/whatever kind of game with RPG elements. You get to
upgrade your teams abilities as you progress through the missions. It takes
more thought than dexterity to play the game. Definitely a niche title, but
I love niche titles :)
> Kiss: Psycho Circus
One of the worst FPS's on the system. The control was terrible. Why would
you want to play this game, when you could play a better FPS on the system
that actually supports the mouse and keyboard? I'm rather torn on this. I
didn't give the game much of a chance because of the control options. It's
odd that I will only play FPS's on the Dreamcast with the mouse and
keyboard, but I love using the controler for Halo on Xbox.
> Ooga Booga
A fun light-hearted action/death match kind of game. I had fun playing it,
but quickly lost interest in the single player game. With friends, this
game is definitely more fun to play. However, we'd rather play powerstone 2
if we're in the mood for fun group fighting.
> Soldier of Fortune
A very good FPS, if and this is a big if, you can get past the load times.
The load times ruined the whole flow of this game for me. Beyond that, it
was fun and one of the only FPS's on the system with an actual story for the
single player game (which is all this game has).
> Surf Rocket Racer
I went into this game hoping for some wave race style gameplay. I didn't
get it. It's not a bad game, but much like Death Crimson above, it is
unremarkable in every way. A very average racing game on water.
> Trickstyle
The game looked good when it came out, but the control needed some work. I
imagine that if you're willing to put in the time, you can get a better grip
on it than I did. It just didn't keep my interest long enough for that to
happen. I'd rather play Tony Hawk.
> Urban Chaos
I really tried to like this game. I got past the poor graphics. I managed
with the poor control. I kept playing until I got to a mission that I have
failed to many times to count. I attribute it partly to my lack of skill,
partly to poor game design, and partly to poor control. I'm to frustrated
to ever load this game again.
> Wild Metal
The only game on your list that I have never played at all. I'll have to
rectify that :)
Dave Oldridge
> These are some games that I never even bothered to play during the
>Dreamcast's lifetime, and I was wondering if maybe the reviewers were
>exaggerating one problem or another for the bad rating, as they all have
>comments about unique or otherwise refined gameplay mechanics in the reviews
>too. Did anybody play these games, and if so what did you think about them?
>Death Crimson OX
One of the best lightgun games for the Dreamcast, but only by default.
If you don't have Confidential Mission, House of the Dead, and probably Virtua
Cop 2 already, get them first. If you already have them and want to keep your
light gun, get DC OX then.
>Gundam Sidestory: 0079
One of the best games of its type released for its time. Instead of
being a brawler like the Virtual On series, it's more of a mech simulator
(oxymoron alert), where you work with a team of Gundams to complete various
military missions.
>Industrial Spy: Operation Espionage
Dc.ign.com described it as "if being a spy were this boring, James Bond
would have become an accountant". The games quick trip to the discount bin, and
the complete lack of enthusiasm over this game in the newsgroups and from other
reviewers gave me all the reason I needed to give this title a pass.
>Kiss: Psycho Circus
Very lame FPS which was hyped as a very great FPS, based on what I've
read from others.
>Ooga Booga
Great with friends, mediocre for solo play. Kind of like Chu Chu Rocket
in that respect, although not as good for solo play.
>Wild Metal
Never tried this, but based on what others have said on the title, I'd
own it if I could find it at a reasonable (for a DC title) price.
pat
> Dreamcast's lifetime, and I was wondering if maybe the reviewers were
> exaggerating one problem or another for the bad rating, as they all have
> comments about unique or otherwise refined gameplay mechanics in the
reviews
> too. Did anybody play these games, and if so what did you think about
them?
>
> Demolition Racer: No Exit - Played it non-stop for a couple of weeks.
Really a lot of fun in the same twisted way as Burnout 2.
> Formula 1 World Grand Prix - ...
> Gundam Sidestory: 0079 - ...
> Industrial Spy: Operation Espionage - ...
> Kiss: Psycho Circus - not horrible, but generally a pretty blah FPS
> Ooga Booga - seemed fun in my limited experience with it (came out when I
was vaccuming up DC titles; I have it, but haven't really gotten to it).
> Soldier of Fortune - pretty good FPS. What they say about the egregious
load time is true. Eh...just switch over to TV for a minute while a level
is loading...you can tell it's done when your DC stops screaming.
> Surf Rocket Racer - ...
> Trickstyle - Same as Ooga Booga comment.
> Urban Chaos - ...
> Wild Metal - Absolutely reamed by the professional review sites, which I
do find the most reliable. But I love this game. Very methodical shooter.
Lots of strategy, and every level, to some degree is a puzzle (that is
multiple way to attack, but some that are really advantageous). I got it
for like 5 dollars, but in retrospect I would have paid $50.
eternal drift
instantly liked it. If it wasnt for the demo play I probably would
never have thought of getting it. Its not perfect but is VERY
satisfying to play. Smooth and fast graphic display, uses the dc's
capabilities good, crop dusting airplanes fly overhead while racing on
the country hills levels, big air jumps (perfect for landing on cars),
decent music, good opening fmv, it delivers where you want it to. I'd
give it an 8.5 for those with passing interest, personally it's a 9.0
Soldier of Fortune- violence, much violence! The loading is bad, even
worse than what I had read about it. But it's just about worth the
wait, good levels, nice weapons to flip through. The graphics are dark
and not quake quality but they are ok, the sound is good particularly
the shotgun, it sounds like a doomsday cannon when you let it loose.
8.0
Tiger
Of your List, I'd say Gundam Side story is highest on the replay/fun scale.
Requires a lot of practice to be good enough to beat the game & getting extra
items like the beam rifles make life a lot easier. The rest of the list are
rather forgettable titles. SOF was OK, and if you really like F1 racing then
buy that too.
Scott H
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> Scott H wrote:
>
> > These are some games that I never even bothered to play during the
> > Dreamcast's lifetime, and I was wondering if maybe the reviewers were
> > exaggerating one problem or another for the bad rating, as they all have
> > comments about unique or otherwise refined gameplay mechanics in the
reviews
> > too. Did anybody play these games, and if so what did you think about
them?
> >
> > Death Crimson OX
> > Demolition Racer: No Exit
> > Formula 1 World Grand Prix
> > Gundam Sidestory: 0079
> > Industrial Spy: Operation Espionage
> > Kiss: Psycho Circus
> > Ooga Booga
> > Soldier of Fortune
> > Surf Rocket Racer
> > Trickstyle
> > Urban Chaos
> > Wild Metal
>
scale.
> Requires a lot of practice to be good enough to beat the game & getting
extra
> items like the beam rifles make life a lot easier. The rest of the list
are
> rather forgettable titles. SOF was OK, and if you really like F1 racing
then
> buy that too.
>
Cool deal, then Gundam is challenging. One of the reviews made it sound
like it could be beaten in a day or something.
Scott H
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>
>
> Scott H wrote:
> >
> > These are some games that I never even bothered to play during the
> > Dreamcast's lifetime, and I was wondering if maybe the reviewers were
> > exaggerating one problem or another for the bad rating, as they all have
> > comments about unique or otherwise refined gameplay mechanics in the
reviews
> > too. Did anybody play these games, and if so what did you think about
them?
> >
> > Death Crimson OX
>
> It's no Confidential Mission or House of the Dead 2, but it's an alright
> gun shooter, especially compared to Death Crimson 1 and 2. Get it if you
> can find it cheaply; I paid under $20 for it new and don't really regret
> it, but i can't say I've been compelled to play it all the way through,
either.
A user review on Gamefaqs says that it's unique because you get powerups
from having to shoot a bunch of bugs or butterflies, kinda like a mini-game,
and that there is more variety in the enemies than most gun games have. Is
that all it's got going for it, aside from moderate graphics?
> > Demolition Racer: No Exit
>
> A great game, by yourself or with others. Supposedly this was way better
> than the PSX game that preceeded it. It's (fairly obviously) not a
> standard racer, but is great fun once you realize you need to not merely
> place high in the race, but need to damage the other cars enough to win.
> There's also a mini game that uses the gun.
> The game is great fun with friends (well, one friend at a time; it only
> supports 2 players at a time) since it combines the joys of racing and
> beating on each other; or just beating on each other if you play in the
> demolition derby mode "No Exit".
This game sounds awesome, I can't believe I haven't played it yet.
>
> > Ooga Booga
>
> A great game, but with someone else. It's good for killing some time by
> yourself, but is kinda limited. It played well online; I haven't checked
> recently to see if the servers were still up at all, but they were
> pretty vacant last I checked in January. It also suffered from having
> vets who would play all the time and destroy everyone who wasn't a vet,
> meaning no one else could get any better, helping to kill off the
servers...
Is it two or four player multiplayer when you aren't online?
Scott H
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> I have commented below.
>
> "Scott H" <Weapo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8mjIa.8743$Cd1....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> > These are some games that I never even bothered to play during the
> > Dreamcast's lifetime, and I was wondering if maybe the reviewers were
> > exaggerating one problem or another for the bad rating, as they all have
> > comments about unique or otherwise refined gameplay mechanics in the
> reviews
> > too. Did anybody play these games, and if so what did you think about
> them?
> >
> > Death Crimson OX
>
> My least favorite gun game on the Dreamcast. I don't think that it is as
> horrible as some state, but it certainly wasn't memorable for anything
> either. I think that any other gun game is a better choice on the system.
I'm sure, but what's really wrong with it? Is it just that the graphics
aren't good, or does the game give you dodgy control somehow?
> > Demolition Racer: No Exit
>
> The best game on your list. I would recommend this game to anyone that
> likes racing or demolition derbies. Actually, in this case, a combination
> of both. A great 2-player game that I spent a lot of time playing.
Apparantly, literally everybody has commented that this one is great, not
just good.
> > Formula 1 World Grand Prix
>
> One of the few games on the system that I didn't really play much. I
would
> have no basis for an opinion.
> > Gundam Sidestory: 0079
>
> If you're a Gundam fan, this isn't a bad game. However, there are much
> better Gundam games out there, even on the Dreamcast (if you're willing to
> import). It kind of plays like a FPS/action game. I had some trouble
with
> the controls, particularily turning around :)
Hmm
> > Industrial Spy: Operation Espionage
>
> If you're into graphics, this is not your game. They are very primitive
and
> drab. However, I liked the style of the game. It was a rather unique
> strategy/stealth/whatever kind of game with RPG elements. You get to
> upgrade your teams abilities as you progress through the missions. It
takes
> more thought than dexterity to play the game. Definitely a niche title,
but
> I love niche titles :)
It sounds totally unique, I'll have to check this one out sometime.
> > Kiss: Psycho Circus
>
> One of the worst FPS's on the system. The control was terrible. Why
would
> you want to play this game, when you could play a better FPS on the system
> that actually supports the mouse and keyboard? I'm rather torn on this.
I
> didn't give the game much of a chance because of the control options.
It's
> odd that I will only play FPS's on the Dreamcast with the mouse and
> keyboard, but I love using the controler for Halo on Xbox.
Yeah, see, I never play FPS with a Mouse/KB, I just hate it. I liked
Doom with a control pad or joystick, then when FPS went 3D and enemies on
screen went down to one or two, I got bored, then years later I heared that
they got popular, but nobody used controllers, wacky. KISS is claimed to
have over ten enemies on screen all at once and focuses on melee attacks.
Swarms of enemies are why I like Halo above all else, so I'm interested in
seeing how this game actually is.
> > Ooga Booga
>
> A fun light-hearted action/death match kind of game. I had fun playing
it,
> but quickly lost interest in the single player game. With friends, this
> game is definitely more fun to play. However, we'd rather play powerstone
2
> if we're in the mood for fun group fighting.
Cool
> > Soldier of Fortune
>
> A very good FPS, if and this is a big if, you can get past the load times.
> The load times ruined the whole flow of this game for me. Beyond that, it
> was fun and one of the only FPS's on the system with an actual story for
the
> single player game (which is all this game has).
Have you played many PS2, or heck even PS1, games? The load times on
SoF aren't worse than standard fair PS load times, it's just that the
majority of DC games loaded in 3-6 seconds. Just in case any Sony fans are
out there, yes, I realize that many PS1-2 games load faster than 15-20
seconds, but far too many of them load that long or longer.
> > Surf Rocket Racer
>
> I went into this game hoping for some wave race style gameplay. I didn't
> get it. It's not a bad game, but much like Death Crimson above, it is
> unremarkable in every way. A very average racing game on water.
Hmm, sounds like a consensus then on this one.
> > Trickstyle
>
> The game looked good when it came out, but the control needed some work.
I
> imagine that if you're willing to put in the time, you can get a better
grip
> on it than I did. It just didn't keep my interest long enough for that to
> happen. I'd rather play Tony Hawk.
Yeah, many of the reviews claim that it's very precise once you learn
the controls, and that the anti-grav physics are why it feels funky to begin
with. The fact that they just didn't make it control like a snowboarding
game makes me want to give it a second look. I think I literally overlooked
this one because of it getting high marks in reviews, and not impressing me
right away.
> > Urban Chaos
>
> I really tried to like this game. I got past the poor graphics. I
managed
> with the poor control. I kept playing until I got to a mission that I
have
> failed to many times to count. I attribute it partly to my lack of skill,
> partly to poor game design, and partly to poor control. I'm to frustrated
> to ever load this game again.
How is the control poor though? Is it sluggish, not accurate, or
somehow glitchy, or is it just hard to get used to?
> > Wild Metal
>
> The only game on your list that I have never played at all. I'll have to
> rectify that :)
It's supposed to be very good for what it is.
Scott H
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> On Thu, 19 Jun 2003 14:00:36 GMT, "Scott H" <Weapo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > These are some games that I never even bothered to play during the
> >Dreamcast's lifetime, and I was wondering if maybe the reviewers were
> >exaggerating one problem or another for the bad rating, as they all have
> >comments about unique or otherwise refined gameplay mechanics in the
reviews
> >too. Did anybody play these games, and if so what did you think about
them?
>
> >Death Crimson OX
>
> One of the best lightgun games for the Dreamcast, but only by default.
> If you don't have Confidential Mission, House of the Dead, and probably
Virtua
> Cop 2 already, get them first. If you already have them and want to keep
your
> light gun, get DC OX then.
So it's not a bad lightgun game, just not as good as the other ones somehow?
I'm just trying to figure out what it does differently that makes it bad, it
really sounds like it wasn't liked because it came out so late in the
system's life.
> >Gundam Sidestory: 0079
>
> One of the best games of its type released for its time. Instead of
> being a brawler like the Virtual On series, it's more of a mech simulator
> (oxymoron alert), where you work with a team of Gundams to complete
various
> military missions.
So it does have teamwork involved. It's only one player though right?
> >Industrial Spy: Operation Espionage
>
> Dc.ign.com described it as "if being a spy were this boring, James Bond
> would have become an accountant". The games quick trip to the discount
bin, and
> the complete lack of enthusiasm over this game in the newsgroups and from
other
> reviewers gave me all the reason I needed to give this title a pass.
Yeah, apparantly it plays from a position that you're the guy that's
coordinating the heists you're pulling off, and you just watch each of the
characters, which are actually well set up and diverse, do what you tell
them to. Combine the abstract gameplay with below average graphics, and
most people aren't going to like it. I think it sounds different enough to
be worth looking into, kinda like being the leader of a team like in the
first Mission Impossible or something.
> >Kiss: Psycho Circus
>
> Very lame FPS which was hyped as a very great FPS, based on what I've
> read from others.
Yeah, I just haven't heard why. I've read that it focuses on melee
attacks, and has tons of enemies on screen, and fairly good level design,
but that it still sucks somehow. Kinda sounds more like hype backlash, and
rejection for not being a death match game, to me. I wish somebody had
actually played it.
> >Ooga Booga
>
> Great with friends, mediocre for solo play. Kind of like Chu Chu Rocket
> in that respect, although not as good for solo play.
Cool deal.
> >Wild Metal
>
> Never tried this, but based on what others have said on the title, I'd
> own it if I could find it at a reasonable (for a DC title) price.
Yeah, I remembered that I actually have played it. It's a pretty good
little game, mission based tank stuff with good gameplay and dull textures.
Scott H
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>
> "Scott H" <Weapo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:8mjIa.8743$Cd1....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> > These are some games that I never even bothered to play during the
> > Dreamcast's lifetime, and I was wondering if maybe the reviewers were
> > exaggerating one problem or another for the bad rating, as they all have
> > comments about unique or otherwise refined gameplay mechanics in the
> reviews
> > too. Did anybody play these games, and if so what did you think about
> them?
> >
> > Death Crimson OX - ...
>
> > Demolition Racer: No Exit - Played it non-stop for a couple of weeks.
> Really a lot of fun in the same twisted way as Burnout 2.
Cool deal.
> > Formula 1 World Grand Prix - ...
>
> > Gundam Sidestory: 0079 - ...
>
> > Industrial Spy: Operation Espionage - ...
>
> > Kiss: Psycho Circus - not horrible, but generally a pretty blah FPS
Is it just repetition that causes it to be boring, or what?
> > Ooga Booga - seemed fun in my limited experience with it (came out when
I
> was vaccuming up DC titles; I have it, but haven't really gotten to it).
Heh.
> > Soldier of Fortune - pretty good FPS. What they say about the egregious
> load time is true. Eh...just switch over to TV for a minute while a level
> is loading...you can tell it's done when your DC stops screaming.
Hmm.
> > Surf Rocket Racer - ...
>
> > Trickstyle - Same as Ooga Booga comment.
> > Urban Chaos - ...
>
> > Wild Metal - Absolutely reamed by the professional review sites, which I
> do find the most reliable. But I love this game. Very methodical
shooter.
> Lots of strategy, and every level, to some degree is a puzzle (that is
> multiple way to attack, but some that are really advantageous). I got it
> for like 5 dollars, but in retrospect I would have paid $50.
Yeah, I actually had planned on buying this one after renting it, but
got RedDog instead. Totally different types of games that tend to get
compared to eachother too much, Wild Metal was a good little mission game.
Scott H
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> Demolition Racer: No Exit , I first played this on a demo disc and
> instantly liked it. If it wasnt for the demo play I probably would
> never have thought of getting it. Its not perfect but is VERY
> satisfying to play. Smooth and fast graphic display, uses the dc's
> capabilities good, crop dusting airplanes fly overhead while racing on
> the country hills levels, big air jumps (perfect for landing on cars),
> decent music, good opening fmv, it delivers where you want it to. I'd
> give it an 8.5 for those with passing interest, personally it's a 9.0
The one game everybody has recommended, sounds like it should turn out
pretty well.
> Soldier of Fortune- violence, much violence! The loading is bad, even
> worse than what I had read about it. But it's just about worth the
> wait, good levels, nice weapons to flip through. The graphics are dark
> and not quake quality but they are ok, the sound is good particularly
> the shotgun, it sounds like a doomsday cannon when you let it loose.
> 8.0
Sounds like it's worth a look.
Ted
Scott H wrote:
>
> "Ted" <nospam...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > Scott H wrote:
snip
>
> A user review on Gamefaqs says that it's unique because you get powerups
> from having to shoot a bunch of bugs or butterflies, kinda like a mini-game,
> and that there is more variety in the enemies than most gun games have. Is
> that all it's got going for it, aside from moderate graphics?
I find that it being a gun game is a big plus for me. It has a couple of
modes (bullet mode and mission mode in addition to story mode). But
yeah, it doesn't really have many things going for it.
snip
> >
> > > Ooga Booga
snip
> Is it two or four player multiplayer when you aren't online?
1, 2, 3, or 4.
Shawn & Nichol
> "Shawn & Nichol" <speter...@bis.midco.net> wrote in message
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> > I have commented below.
> >
> > "Scott H" <Weapo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8mjIa.8743$Cd1....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> > > These are some games that I never even bothered to play during the
> > > Dreamcast's lifetime, and I was wondering if maybe the reviewers were
> > > exaggerating one problem or another for the bad rating, as they all
have
> > > comments about unique or otherwise refined gameplay mechanics in the
> > reviews
> > > too. Did anybody play these games, and if so what did you think about
> > them?
> > >
> > > Death Crimson OX
> >
> > My least favorite gun game on the Dreamcast. I don't think that it is
as
> > horrible as some state, but it certainly wasn't memorable for anything
> > either. I think that any other gun game is a better choice on the
system.
>
> I'm sure, but what's really wrong with it? Is it just that the
graphics
> aren't good, or does the game give you dodgy control somehow?
I didn't think that the graphics were bad, and in fact I think that the game
controls better than confidential mission (I can never seem to properly
calibrate with that one). I need to point out that I am not claiming that
the game is bad, it just wasn't as much fun to play as the other gun games.
If I had to nail down a reason as to why I thought it was less fun (and this
is digging since I haven't played it in a while), I would attribute it to
story, game flow and enemy design. I just couldn't 'get into' this game
like I could the others. As someone else stated, if you have the gun
controller and can get this game cheap, go for it. However, I wouldn't buy
this game if you didn't already have a gun or the other gun games first.
>
> > > Demolition Racer: No Exit
> >
> > The best game on your list. I would recommend this game to anyone that
> > likes racing or demolition derbies. Actually, in this case, a
combination
> > of both. A great 2-player game that I spent a lot of time playing.
>
> Apparantly, literally everybody has commented that this one is great, not
> just good.
A consensus on usenet...the end is near :)
>
> > > Formula 1 World Grand Prix
> >
> > One of the few games on the system that I didn't really play much. I
> would
> > have no basis for an opinion.
>
> > > Gundam Sidestory: 0079
> >
> > If you're a Gundam fan, this isn't a bad game. However, there are much
> > better Gundam games out there, even on the Dreamcast (if you're willing
to
> > import). It kind of plays like a FPS/action game. I had some trouble
> with
> > the controls, particularily turning around :)
>
> Hmm
If you import games, you definitely should play Gundam E.F.F. vs Zeon
(Federation vs. Zeon) & DX. I liked this game a lot more than 0079. As
always, your mileage may vary, I just happen to like the faster pace and
control better.
>
> > > Industrial Spy: Operation Espionage
> >
> > If you're into graphics, this is not your game. They are very primitive
> and
> > drab. However, I liked the style of the game. It was a rather unique
> > strategy/stealth/whatever kind of game with RPG elements. You get to
> > upgrade your teams abilities as you progress through the missions. It
> takes
> > more thought than dexterity to play the game. Definitely a niche title,
> but
> > I love niche titles :)
>
> It sounds totally unique, I'll have to check this one out sometime.
I got mine at www.hitmenow.com. They have 3 left that are new for $8.04
(they have some odd pricing coventions) Anyway, here is a link:
http://www.hitmenow.com/product.detail.hmn?ProductID=695537000168
I haven't dealt with them a lot, but I have always had a good experience.
>
> > > Kiss: Psycho Circus
> >
> > One of the worst FPS's on the system. The control was terrible. Why
> would
> > you want to play this game, when you could play a better FPS on the
system
> > that actually supports the mouse and keyboard? I'm rather torn on this.
> I
> > didn't give the game much of a chance because of the control options.
> It's
> > odd that I will only play FPS's on the Dreamcast with the mouse and
> > keyboard, but I love using the controler for Halo on Xbox.
>
> Yeah, see, I never play FPS with a Mouse/KB, I just hate it. I liked
> Doom with a control pad or joystick, then when FPS went 3D and enemies on
> screen went down to one or two, I got bored, then years later I heared
that
> they got popular, but nobody used controllers, wacky. KISS is claimed to
> have over ten enemies on screen all at once and focuses on melee attacks.
> Swarms of enemies are why I like Halo above all else, so I'm interested in
> seeing how this game actually is.
If you like using a controller, you may enjoy this more than some, at least
more than me. Other than control, my other problem was with design. The
levels all looked the same and the detail on the enemies was severly lacking
(well except for maybe the fat clowns). Is it just me, or did some of the
enemies look like texture mapped ships from descent...
>
> > > Ooga Booga
> >
> > A fun light-hearted action/death match kind of game. I had fun playing
> it,
> > but quickly lost interest in the single player game. With friends, this
> > game is definitely more fun to play. However, we'd rather play
powerstone
> 2
> > if we're in the mood for fun group fighting.
>
> Cool
>
> > > Soldier of Fortune
> >
> > A very good FPS, if and this is a big if, you can get past the load
times.
> > The load times ruined the whole flow of this game for me. Beyond that,
it
> > was fun and one of the only FPS's on the system with an actual story for
> the
> > single player game (which is all this game has).
>
> Have you played many PS2, or heck even PS1, games? The load times on
> SoF aren't worse than standard fair PS load times, it's just that the
> majority of DC games loaded in 3-6 seconds. Just in case any Sony fans
are
> out there, yes, I realize that many PS1-2 games load faster than 15-20
> seconds, but far too many of them load that long or longer.
Actually, I have played many playstation 1 and 2 games, and the only other
game in recent memory with load times as bad was X-Men: Next Dimension on
PS2. We're talking about make a sandwich and walk the dog load times in
both. Not to get off topic, but has anyone else played X-Men: Next
Dimension on PS2? Didn't you find it funny that it took forever just to
load the menu after a game? I finally tried out the Xbox version and am
much happier with the loading times. It's almost like a new game.
>
> > > Surf Rocket Racer
> >
> > I went into this game hoping for some wave race style gameplay. I
didn't
> > get it. It's not a bad game, but much like Death Crimson above, it is
> > unremarkable in every way. A very average racing game on water.
>
> Hmm, sounds like a consensus then on this one.
Not another consensus :)
>
> > > Trickstyle
> >
> > The game looked good when it came out, but the control needed some work.
> I
> > imagine that if you're willing to put in the time, you can get a better
> grip
> > on it than I did. It just didn't keep my interest long enough for that
to
> > happen. I'd rather play Tony Hawk.
>
> Yeah, many of the reviews claim that it's very precise once you learn
> the controls, and that the anti-grav physics are why it feels funky to
begin
> with. The fact that they just didn't make it control like a snowboarding
> game makes me want to give it a second look. I think I literally
overlooked
> this one because of it getting high marks in reviews, and not impressing
me
> right away.
I'd agree with those reviews.
>
> > > Urban Chaos
> >
> > I really tried to like this game. I got past the poor graphics. I
> managed
> > with the poor control. I kept playing until I got to a mission that I
> have
> > failed to many times to count. I attribute it partly to my lack of
skill,
> > partly to poor game design, and partly to poor control. I'm to
frustrated
> > to ever load this game again.
>
> How is the control poor though? Is it sluggish, not accurate, or
> somehow glitchy, or is it just hard to get used to?
I wouldn't call it glitchy, it just seemed to lag. Personally, I got the
impression that they were pushing to much geometry in the game world or
something. I suppose you could call it sluggish. Between that and an
apparently low frame rate it just didn't respond very quickly. This made
things frustrating, since it never felt like you could respond accurately
enough to some situations. By the way, thanks for the topic, this is the
most I've seen posted to this group in a while. It's nice to relive some of
these titles.
Scott H
>
> > > "Scott H" <Weapo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:8mjIa.8743$Cd1....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> > I'm sure, but what's really wrong with it? Is it just that the
> graphics
> > aren't good, or does the game give you dodgy control somehow?
>
> I didn't think that the graphics were bad, and in fact I think that the
game
> controls better than confidential mission (I can never seem to properly
> calibrate with that one). I need to point out that I am not claiming that
> the game is bad, it just wasn't as much fun to play as the other gun
games.
> If I had to nail down a reason as to why I thought it was less fun (and
this
> is digging since I haven't played it in a while), I would attribute it to
> story, game flow and enemy design. I just couldn't 'get into' this game
> like I could the others. As someone else stated, if you have the gun
> controller and can get this game cheap, go for it. However, I wouldn't
buy
> this game if you didn't already have a gun or the other gun games first.
Well, yeah, that sounds like about the story with this one. It's a gun
game, but that's about all it's got going for it.
> >
> > > > Demolition Racer: No Exit
> > >
> > > The best game on your list. I would recommend this game to anyone
that
> > > likes racing or demolition derbies. Actually, in this case, a
> combination
> > > of both. A great 2-player game that I spent a lot of time playing.
> >
> > Apparantly, literally everybody has commented that this one is great,
not
> > just good.
>
> A consensus on usenet...the end is near :)
Heheh, that made me laugh out loud.
> > > > Gundam Sidestory: 0079
> > >
> > > If you're a Gundam fan, this isn't a bad game. However, there are
much
> > > better Gundam games out there, even on the Dreamcast (if you're
willing
> to
> > > import). It kind of plays like a FPS/action game. I had some trouble
> > with
> > > the controls, particularily turning around :)
> >
> > Hmm
>
> If you import games, you definitely should play Gundam E.F.F. vs Zeon
> (Federation vs. Zeon) & DX. I liked this game a lot more than 0079. As
> always, your mileage may vary, I just happen to like the faster pace and
> control better.
Wait a minute, isn't Gundam: Federation vs. Zeon a PS2 game? Faster
pace is always a plus for me.
> > > > Industrial Spy: Operation Espionage
> > >
> > > If you're into graphics, this is not your game. They are very
primitive
> > and
> > > drab. However, I liked the style of the game. It was a rather unique
> > > strategy/stealth/whatever kind of game with RPG elements. You get to
> > > upgrade your teams abilities as you progress through the missions. It
> > takes
> > > more thought than dexterity to play the game. Definitely a niche
title,
> > but
> > > I love niche titles :)
> >
> > It sounds totally unique, I'll have to check this one out sometime.
>
> I got mine at www.hitmenow.com. They have 3 left that are new for $8.04
> (they have some odd pricing coventions) Anyway, here is a link:
> http://www.hitmenow.com/product.detail.hmn?ProductID=695537000168
>
> I haven't dealt with them a lot, but I have always had a good experience.
Cool link, thanks!
> > > > Kiss: Psycho Circus
> > >
> > Yeah, see, I never play FPS with a Mouse/KB, I just hate it. I
liked
> > Doom with a control pad or joystick, then when FPS went 3D and enemies
on
> > screen went down to one or two, I got bored, then years later I heared
> that
> > they got popular, but nobody used controllers, wacky. KISS is claimed
to
> > have over ten enemies on screen all at once and focuses on melee
attacks.
> > Swarms of enemies are why I like Halo above all else, so I'm interested
in
> > seeing how this game actually is.
>
> If you like using a controller, you may enjoy this more than some, at
least
> more than me. Other than control, my other problem was with design. The
> levels all looked the same and the detail on the enemies was severly
lacking
> (well except for maybe the fat clowns). Is it just me, or did some of the
> enemies look like texture mapped ships from descent...
Yeah, if it's pacing and level/character designs are really that boring, I'd
probably hate it too.
> > > > Soldier of Fortune
> > Have you played many PS2, or heck even PS1, games? The load times
on
> > SoF aren't worse than standard fair PS load times, it's just that the
> > majority of DC games loaded in 3-6 seconds. Just in case any Sony fans
> are
> > out there, yes, I realize that many PS1-2 games load faster than 15-20
> > seconds, but far too many of them load that long or longer.
>
> Actually, I have played many playstation 1 and 2 games, and the only other
> game in recent memory with load times as bad was X-Men: Next Dimension on
> PS2. We're talking about make a sandwich and walk the dog load times in
> both. Not to get off topic, but has anyone else played X-Men: Next
> Dimension on PS2? Didn't you find it funny that it took forever just to
> load the menu after a game? I finally tried out the Xbox version and am
> much happier with the loading times. It's almost like a new game.
Hmm, then we're not talking about 20-30 second load times huh? Yikes,
that *is* bad. The Half Life CDR floating around has 20-30 second load
times every time the PC loaded from the HD, and that was enough to throw me
off of it, combined with it eating an entire VMU for saves. That's pretty
scary there.
> > > > Surf Rocket Racer
> > >
> > > I went into this game hoping for some wave race style gameplay. I
> didn't
> > > get it. It's not a bad game, but much like Death Crimson above, it is
> > > unremarkable in every way. A very average racing game on water.
> >
> > Hmm, sounds like a consensus then on this one.
>
> Not another consensus :)
We are all truly doomed.
> > > > Trickstyle
> > >
> > Yeah, many of the reviews claim that it's very precise once you
learn
> > the controls, and that the anti-grav physics are why it feels funky to
> begin
> > with. The fact that they just didn't make it control like a
snowboarding
> > game makes me want to give it a second look. I think I literally
> overlooked
> > this one because of it getting high marks in reviews, and not impressing
> me
> > right away.
>
> I'd agree with those reviews.
Sounds like a keeper then.
> > > > Urban Chaos
> > >
> > > I really tried to like this game. I got past the poor graphics. I
> > managed
> > > with the poor control. I kept playing until I got to a mission that I
> > have
> > > failed to many times to count. I attribute it partly to my lack of
> skill,
> > > partly to poor game design, and partly to poor control. I'm to
> frustrated
> > > to ever load this game again.
> >
> > How is the control poor though? Is it sluggish, not accurate, or
> > somehow glitchy, or is it just hard to get used to?
>
> I wouldn't call it glitchy, it just seemed to lag. Personally, I got the
> impression that they were pushing to much geometry in the game world or
> something. I suppose you could call it sluggish. Between that and an
> apparently low frame rate it just didn't respond very quickly. This made
> things frustrating, since it never felt like you could respond accurately
> enough to some situations. By the way, thanks for the topic, this is the
> most I've seen posted to this group in a while. It's nice to relive some
of
> these titles.
Sounds like a lot of slowdown then. Yeah man, I'm always looking for a good
topic on these groups, I love these systems!
Scott H
>
>
> > > Scott H wrote:
>
> snip
> >
> > A user review on Gamefaqs says that it's unique because you get
powerups
> > from having to shoot a bunch of bugs or butterflies, kinda like a
mini-game,
> > and that there is more variety in the enemies than most gun games have.
Is
> > that all it's got going for it, aside from moderate graphics?
>
>
> I find that it being a gun game is a big plus for me. It has a couple of
> modes (bullet mode and mission mode in addition to story mode). But
> yeah, it doesn't really have many things going for it.
> snip
Hmm, well, that sounds good at least.
> > > > Ooga Booga
> snip
> > Is it two or four player multiplayer when you aren't online?
>
> 1, 2, 3, or 4.
Awesome.
Shawn & Nichol
> "Shawn & Nichol" <speter...@bis.midco.net> wrote in message
> news:vf6uhh7...@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > > > "Scott H" <Weapo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:8mjIa.8743$Cd1....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
>
> > > > > Gundam Sidestory: 0079
> > > >
> > > > If you're a Gundam fan, this isn't a bad game. However, there are
> much
> > > > better Gundam games out there, even on the Dreamcast (if you're
> willing
> > to
> > > > import). It kind of plays like a FPS/action game. I had some
trouble
> > > with
> > > > the controls, particularily turning around :)
> > >
> > > Hmm
> >
> > If you import games, you definitely should play Gundam E.F.F. vs Zeon
> > (Federation vs. Zeon) & DX. I liked this game a lot more than 0079. As
> > always, your mileage may vary, I just happen to like the faster pace and
> > control better.
>
> Wait a minute, isn't Gundam: Federation vs. Zeon a PS2 game? Faster
> pace is always a plus for me.
>
>
Yes, it is also on the PS2. I believe it came out on the Dreamcast first,
but never made it out of Japan. If you've played the PS2 version, it
wouldn't pay to get the Dreamcast one. Beyond the obvious perks, like an
english translation and 2-player support, the PS2 version has an expanded
single player game.
Dave Oldridge
>"Dave Oldridge" <david.old...@rogers.com> wrote in message
>news:djd4fv4a57bap66ao...@4ax.com...
>>
>> One of the best lightgun games for the Dreamcast, but only by default.
>> If you don't have Confidential Mission, House of the Dead, and probably
>Virtua
>> Cop 2 already, get them first. If you already have them and want to keep
>your
>> light gun, get DC OX then.
>
>So it's not a bad lightgun game, just not as good as the other ones somehow?
>I'm just trying to figure out what it does differently that makes it bad, it
>really sounds like it wasn't liked because it came out so late in the
>system's life.
Mediocre graphics, and not really anything you haven't seen in most
other shooters in gameplay. Inconsistent lvels of difficulty through the game
as well, based on what I've heard. Never played it myself though.
>> >Gundam Sidestory: 0079
>>
>> One of the best games of its type released for its time. Instead of
>> being a brawler like the Virtual On series, it's more of a mech simulator
>> (oxymoron alert), where you work with a team of Gundams to complete
>various
>> military missions.
>
>So it does have teamwork involved. It's only one player though right?
One player only, but your actions have a direct impact on the AI
controlled members of your squad. It features good graphics and great voice
acting for the game as well. Not too much left over once you beat the game
though.
>> >Kiss: Psycho Circus
>>
>> Very lame FPS which was hyped as a very great FPS, based on what I've
>> read from others.
>
> Yeah, I just haven't heard why. I've read that it focuses on melee
>attacks, and has tons of enemies on screen, and fairly good level design,
>but that it still sucks somehow. Kinda sounds more like hype backlash, and
>rejection for not being a death match game, to me. I wish somebody had
>actually played it.
Plenty of spiders on screen, with occasional cameo appearances by other
enemies. Graphics weren't exactly up to par with similar titles on the DC
either, and I don't believe it offered compatibility for the DC mouse or
keyboard either, unlike other FPSs available for the console.
Nicholas Andrade
> Gundam Sidestory: 0079
I am not a Gundam fan, but I enjoyed it. A bit like Terra Nova for the
PC if you ever played that. I thought the difficulty was decent and
liked how you needed to work as a team.
Adios,
~Nick
pat
> "pat" <LordsOfThund...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:XkuIa.14072$3o3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > "Scott H" <Weapo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:8mjIa.8743$Cd1....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> > > Kiss: Psycho Circus - not horrible, but generally a pretty blah FPS
>
> Is it just repetition that causes it to be boring, or what?
>
I took another look at this...and it felt like punishment. The technology
is not impressive, regardless of the number of enemies on screen...they're
mostly small and lame (like the little spider-like enemies). Apart from the
spiders (thought they only have four legs, they do look like spiders), there
are also fire breathing dogs and fat, flying, fart-mutants on pretty much
every level I've seen. The graphics are often quite muddy. It looks like
Quake 2 level geometry, but the textures are often pretty bad. There are
certainly melee attacks, but how many spiders can you chop up? You will NOT
get the same satisfaction using Kiss melee atacks are you will in Halo.
They're also weak. A guy that took a pile of slashes to kill with the claw
melee weapon, fell to one blow from the whip. The weapons are
underwhelming. I think only the melee weapon changes between the Kiss
characters. This game would have been good 5-7 years ago, not today, or 2
years ago (when it was released). It does control well, however. :oP
Scott H
Heh, that doesn't sound all too interesting after all. But at least it
controls well. ;)