SkyRide.com
Jan Meyer
first time jumper that made a jump appointment through them.
Thanks
Chris Whitley
pops up when you search our DZ or City
If you don't use .com
Their prices are too high and they tell people they represent your DZ even
though they don't.
they also make statements about safety and gear that are totally untrue in
that they don't have a clue what type of safety record you have or
what condition your gear is in, nor do they know anything about the
instructors on your staff. .
all of the business we have gotten from them is business we would have
gotten if they were not using un ethical and deceitful tactics
to steal business. all they provide is an inflated price and a bad taste
when the customer realizes that the tandem next to them payed $100 less for
the same tandem and video.
just my 2 cents
Chris
"Jan Meyer" <aerosoftwareNO_S_P_A_M@N_O_SPA_M_MakeItHappen.com> wrote in
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CSpenceFLY
Skydive Greene County
national skydiving "spam".
It probably works for the skydive ride owners, but it works for no one else!
Sorry to say that I believe the DZ's that are saying it is a good thing,
welllllll, all I can say is do your own advertising as we do, and you would
not need to fill skyride owners pockets with more "spam money".
DZ's can do the same marketing on their own, why pay asc? Why would you
take less money for someone to spam your DZ and then deduct your bottom
dollar just to fill their spam pockets?
We would not want a student to drive from Cleveland, Rittman, Pa, W.VA,
Indy, Ky and think that we were the best or the closest just because we
subscribe to their "spam" service. or the best price just because they
brought them to us? We loose money on their jumps because we have to pay
skyride their commission. The student could possibly drive 3, 4, 5, 6
hours, past other great dropzones to arrive at our DZ and later to find out
their were a lot of DZ's closer, and just as good as ours!
I would not like to explain that to our students.
I do believe when you are "out of this area" you should refrain from buying
.com address's. It is very misleading for young skydivers searching the
www. It can also be a black eye for skydiving centers that perpetrate this
scam.
"Rant off"
Lee
Skydive Greene County
since 1961
http://www.skydiveohio.com
"Chris Whitley" <douw...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Chris Whitley
search engines
they use strong arm tactics to get you to use them they will send customers
100 miles out of the way and bad mouth your DZ if you dont aggree to their
fees.
also they start reducing your fee after they fell they have sent you a large
amount of business.
Chris
Danny
have any problems. I had a great time and it was worth every penny!
I even went back for an AFF skydive but didn't use SkyRide for that
because they just took the reservation right there at the DZ when I
jumped. I am going to go back again as soon as I have enough money,
but am worried now because the gear might not be safe. Is it okay to
jump there? I thought this was a USPA drop zone. That is what they
told me. Doesn't that mean their instructors are qualified? I am
sorry if these are stupid questions but I am confused now. Should I
go back?
JimBo
>From: runner...@yahoo.com (Danny)
>I did a tandem skydive at Skydive Elsinore using SkyRide, and didn't
>have any problems.
>but am worried now because the gear might not be safe. Is it okay to
>jump there? I thought this was a USPA drop zone. That is what they
>told me. Doesn't that mean their instructors are qualified?
Elsinore is one of the best USPA drop zones in the US ..No need to worry.
Jim D-10154
funjumper ...retired hoe
Man small... why fall ? Skies call... thats all.
Danny
> first time jumper that made a jump appointment through them.
>
> Thanks
I jumped near Elsinore California. Is this place safe to jump?
Skydive Greene County
safe skydive!!!!!!
The saying is "you can do everything right and still DIE ! "Warning,
skydiving is a dangerous sport and can result in death or serious injury at
a non USPA DZ or a USPA DZ,
Skydive Greene County
since 1961
NON USPA
Skydiveride.com (leach's to the real world of professional skydivers and
skydiving Drop Zones
SGC
since 1961
http://www.skydiveohio.com
"Danny" <runner...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Danny
> first time jumper that made a jump appointment through them.
>
> Thanks
Is this working? I keep posting but don't see anything. I need to
know if the place that I jumped before is a safe place to go back to.
It is close to LA. If anybody sees this please let me know.
Thank you
Danny
Danny
says Elsinore but when i choose it that is not the place i went. It
was another one. I am sorry my English is not better. I have been
taking classes. I need to know if the place that I went is safe to
skydive. My wife helps me rite sometimes but she went to bed now
because she is sick. I do not know if I am doing this rite because I
keep trying to rite and do not see anything. If anyone sees this
please tell me if the place that I went to with the Skyride ticket is
safe. My wife will worry about this if I can not find out.
ynotssor
> I did a tandem skydive at Skydive Elsinore using SkyRide, and didn't
> have any problems.
How very odd that you should travel all the way from an ISP served out of
Atlanta GA. to make a tandem in southern California.
You're not fooling anybody with your red herring tactics.
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Frank Holland
1800SkyRide franchise allowed me and members of my family to get jump
certificates for family members who live near different skydiving centers,
while still allowing them the flexibility to make their jumps together. Most
of us jumped in together this summer. Two out of the group could not make it
and may, or may not have jumped at the center near them. There are a few
companies doing this national offer but SkyRide has the best customer
support.
"Jan Meyer" <aerosoftwareNO_S_P_A_M@N_O_SPA_M_MakeItHappen.com> wrote in
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LORD OF THE SKY
> I did a tandem skydive at Skydive Elsinore using SkyRide, and didn't
> have any problems. I had a great time and it was worth every penny!
> I even went back for an AFF skydive but didn't use SkyRide for that
> because they just took the reservation right there at the DZ when I
> jumped. I am going to go back again as soon as I have enough money,
> but am worried now because the gear might not be safe. Is it okay to
> jump there? I thought this was a USPA drop zone. That is what they
> told me. Doesn't that mean their instructors are qualified? I am
> sorry if these are stupid questions but I am confused now. Should I
> go back?
Tony , Rev,..
Is this post from someone closer to California or Georgia?
Jan Meyer
gee Danny
You posted from
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.19.13.217
That's BellSouth in Atlanta
http://dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=68.19.13.217
Pretty amazing...
Jan Meyer
>
> Any experience that we have had could be characterized as "GOOD". The
> 1800SkyRide franchise allowed me and members of my family to get jump
> certificates for family members who live near different skydiving centers,
> while still allowing them the flexibility to make their jumps together. Most
> of us jumped in together this summer. Two out of the group could not make it
> and may, or may not have jumped at the center near them. There are a few
> companies doing this national offer but SkyRide has the best customer
> support.
Cary are you still in New Jersey???
posted from 24.99.96.105
http://dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=24.99.96.105
BTW, you really should change your writing style - it is VERY easy to
recognize it now.
CRWMike
Less is sometimes more.
Michael
"Danny" <runner...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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ynotssor
news:bout2...@enews4.newsguy.com
> Is this post from someone closer to California or Georgia?
Typical Cary tactics. He (and his mindless minions) are childishly
attempting to change the subject by diverting the topic to the safety of a
very well-renowned California DZ, and trying to get the conversation away
from themselves, because they *know* that the only responses will be
unfavourable to their deceptive business practices. We can expect to see any
number of other such posts in any thread that concerns his operation.
One-off disposable email addresses, no record of any other Usenet postings
in any newsgroups whatsoever, and as Jan mentioned an easily-recognizable
"style" of writing are obvious dead-giveaways.
The technical stuff is definitive.
Jan Meyer
>
>
> It probably works for the skydive ride owners, but it works for no one else!
>
I realize that most people do not understand what is going on with this
SkyRide thing.
The comments over at the other place certainly indicate that.
USPA HQ has been sending DZOs complaining about SkyRide my way all
summer long.
I have a long list of experiences, first hand from the DZOs.
I put together this page to explain:
SkydiverRick
> please tell me if the place that I went to with the Skyride ticket is
> safe.
Did you survive the jump?
Mike Spurgeon
>>Subject: Re: SkyRide.com
>>From: runner...@yahoo.com (Danny)
>
>
>>I did a tandem skydive at Skydive Elsinore using SkyRide, and didn't
>>have any problems.
>
>
>>but am worried now because the gear might not be safe. Is it okay to
>>jump there? I thought this was a USPA drop zone. That is what they
>>told me. Doesn't that mean their instructors are qualified?
>
>
> Elsinore is one of the best USPA drop zones in the US ..No need to worry.
Exactly. The people he delt with the first time aren't...
CRWMike
"Jan Meyer" <aerosoftwareNO_S_P_A_M@N_O_SPA_M_MakeItHappen.com> wrote in
Hehehe. One of the satisfied DZO's is none other than ...Buzz Fink! (who
would have thought? ;)
---------------------------------------------
I agree. We participate in the 1800skyride program and are very happy. They
perform their own marketing at their own expense, they pay for the overhead,
they pay for the phonelines, accounting, office rent, etc. They sell the
jumps at a price which recovers their expenses and makes them a profit.
That's business and it was a good idea someone had. If they severely
overcharged their customers, the customers would not pay.
There are far more important things in skydiving to get upset about.
Buzz Fink
Skydive San Diego, Inc.
------------------------------------
Dave Littlewood
> "Danny" <runner...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5c2e6da0.03111...@posting.google.com
>
> > I did a tandem skydive at Skydive Elsinore using SkyRide, and didn't
> > have any problems.
>
> How very odd that you should travel all the way from an ISP served out of
> Atlanta GA. to make a tandem in southern California.
>
> You're not fooling anybody with your red herring tactics.
Is it not possible that he is accessing the internet from his
companies WAN that then shoves the traffic out somewhere else other
that where he is sitting?
I am not interested in whether Danny is for real or not. I am just
questioning your ability to pin-point where someone is physically
sitting via their IP address.
Dave
ynotssor
news:48c31dc3.03111...@posting.google.com
> Is it not possible that he is accessing the internet from his
> companies WAN that then shoves the traffic out somewhere else other
> that where he is sitting?
>
> I am not interested in whether Danny is for real or not. I am just
> questioning your ability to pin-point where someone is physically
> sitting via their IP address.
A person claiming Usenet ignorance and incompetence has no reason to be in
southern California and "shoving" their traffic out through an ISP in the
Atlanta Georgia area, headquarters to the subject of this thread.
A person located somewhere else in the country has no reason to be "shoving"
their traffic out through an Internet trunk located in Atlanta Georgia,
headquarters to the subject of this thread, while at the same time changing
said Subject: line to gain more advertising for their operation.
Cary is well-known for his deceptive business advertising and Usenet posting
practices; he is only fooling himself. He hasn't the strength of character
to stand on his own two feet and honestly address the concerns of others
regarding his business practices. He habitually hides behind sham identities
to attempt to glorify his own ends, just as he's doing in this thread.
I have justified my analyses as an expert witness in criminal cases; I don't
need to justify them to you. Suffice it to say that the network segment for
your posting is owned by Knipp Medien und Kommunikation GmbH in Germany,
specifically Experteam AG "Kompetenz für IT und Management".
It doesn't matter to me if you are sitting at your desk there or have ssh'd
in from Caracas Venezuela, the original Carnegie library in Cedar City Utah,
or Atlanta Georgia. If it looks like a Littlewood, acts like a Littlewood,
and talks and walks like a Littlewood, it's a Littlewood.
The Subject: of this thread is a request for DZOs and jumpers who have
honest experiences to share them with the OP. "runner_danny" is attempting
to change the subject, and is verifiably a bogus poster.
tony
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me
> "Jan Meyer" <aerosoftwareNO_S_P_A_M@N_O_SPA_M_MakeItHappen.com> wrote in
> message news:3FB30AE6.6744C04E@N_O_SPA_M_MakeItHappen.com...
> > USPA HQ has been sending DZOs complaining about SkyRide my way all
> > summer long.
> > I have a long list of experiences, first hand from the DZOs.
> >
> > I put together this page to explain:
> >
> > http://FunJumper.com/skyride
>
> Hehehe. One of the satisfied DZO's is none other than ...Buzz Fink! (who
> would have thought? ;)
Probably has Hawkes as a big fan too. They all make good bed fellows no?
Kevin O'Connell
Mike Spurgeon
> Is it not possible that he is accessing the internet from his
> companies WAN that then shoves the traffic out somewhere else other
> that where he is sitting?
>
> I am not interested in whether Danny is for real or not. I am just
> questioning your ability to pin-point where someone is physically
> sitting via their IP address.
Dave, you gotta know the players first before making posts that
make you look like an idiot...
If it's about where the traffic comes from, and Tony says it,
it's most likely true.
What's your interest in this scam?
Capt. hook
shit way funny o~;->
"Fit Via Vi"
Cuirtan Mheadhon Oidhche
skydiver
great amount of work that you have done on this skyride thing. You
must have too much time on your hands. This ip tracking thing that you
think you can do is either a fabrication or possibly you are merely
ignorant. As for the anonymous postings with one off email addresses,
I agree with you. Not many people would want to be public with a post
against you once they realize how much free time your must have and
see the fanatical effort that you will put into your little vendetta.
I don't know what you have against the skyride people but I work for
one of the largest dz's in the country and am a BIG fan of the skyride
company as is the owner. We had at least 60 people last month alone
from a magazine ad that they ran. These people may have never had the
idea to skydive but saw the ad and came out. Several of them are or
have gone through student progression. Our drop zone has really
benefited from our skyride involvement.
Try to be a little more open and please do not get so falsely abusive
to those who feel it is right for skyride and the companies like them
to help us all.
Since I do not agree with you, I must be wrong right? This is where
you say that I am a fake, or maybe that I am stupid, delusional, or
whatever hateful thing that comes to your mind right?
If you do not like their service, do not use it. Painting a negative
picture of those who do may only paint and accurate picture of who you
might be turning into. I guess some people are just happy or look for
unhappiness. Do not be one of them.
> > Jan Meyer <aerosoftwareNO_S_P_A_M@N_O_SPA_M_MakeItHappen.com>
Dave Littlewood
As Tony pointed out I reside in Germany, so the scam does not affect
me directly. I am watching with interest though, I would not like to
see something like that occur over here.
I don't know Tony personaly, but all his post's on usenet lead me to
believe he is a very competent and respectable person.
I was just curious about how sure he could be concerning the physical
location of an individual based on an IP address.
Tony is right, he does not need to explain or justify anything to me.
Honestly, I was not trying to defend runner_Danny or Cary or who ever
they are. I was just interested in how certain one can be in deciding
the physical location of a poster based on an IP address.
From what I have read about SkyRide, this is not a trivial little
problem amongst skydiver's. Just think how many Tandems, one jumps,
aff courses etc are made in the US a year. Then multiply that by the
money that Skyride is creaming of the top. We our now getting into
serious sums of money.
Again to Tony, I apologise if I offended you, that was not my
intention.
regards
Dave
Capt. hook
>Jan, you are way off on this one
>I work for one of the largest dz's in the >country and am a BIG fan of the
skyride
>company as is the owner. We had at >least 60 people last month alone
>from a magazine ad that they ran
>Since I do not agree with you, I must be >wrong right?
or else in Georgia somewhere close to Atlanta HAHAHAHAHAHA shit wayyy to funny
;)P
Capt. hook
>Mike
>What's your interest in this scam?
>
>As Tony pointed out I reside in Germany, >so the scam does not affect me
directly.
> I am watching with interest though, I >would not like to see something like
that >occur over here.
Glad to see American skydivers are not alone when it comes to dishonest
policy...ASC coming to Barvaria soon, say yew krauts got used car salesmen over
there also? Doom Cough Swinehausen peckerwood git a fukking job and quit
skeeming ways to rip the public off! ;)P
Dave Littlewood
>making posts that make you look like an idiot...
You are an idiot if you take something at face value from someone you
have never seen or spoken to.
Dave
me
[snip]
> Our drop zone has really benefited from our skyride involvement.
The concern seems to be more about the customer here, not the DZ,
with possibly a small nod to the sport as a whole.
Kevin O'Connell
Capt. hook
wisdom and been in the sport long enuff to have compaititve value and know
right from wrong...even if he is still a old Tandem bitch o~;)P
Capt. hook
>Our drop zone has really benefited from our skyride involvement.
>[snip]
>
> The concern seems to be more about the customer here, not the DZ,
>with possibly a small nod to the sport as a whole.
>
>
>
> Kevin O'Connell
>
>
>
just proves my point on where the USPA has gone, this is over the top GM style
activity and sooner or later it will kill the goose that laid the golden egg,
we gotta saddle up and night ride to save the pilgrims. This dave guy is proll
about ready to git his coaching ticket and smells a buck, thats why he's
throwing in with the bad guys <eg>
JDub
> Jan, you are way off on this one. I looked at your site and see the
> great amount of work that you have done on this skyride thing. You
> must have too much time on your hands.
The amount of time she's put into exposing ASC/Cockroaches scams pales in
comparison to the amount of time Cary has put into decieving people.
Funny how the only defenders of ASC are anonymous or completely fictitious.
Hmmm....
-Josh
SkydiverRick
Pretty good speach from the anonymous person.
Dave Littlewood
"Capt. hook" <to...@aol.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:20031114074859...@mb-m13.aol.com...
ahhh but no, you are the idiot old man.... MS can have been in the sport for
as long as he likes, but that does not give him the wisdom to know if an IP
address can truely pin point the physical location of the poster. And that
my dear fellow, that is all that I was questioning.
Capt. hook
>making posts that make you look like an >idiot...You are an idiot if you take
>something at face value from someone >you have never seen or spoken to.
>Dave
>ahhhh but no, your the idiot youngster....MS has lived long enuff to gain
>some wisdom and been in the sport long >enuff to have compaititve value
>"Fit Via Vi"
>ahhh but no, you are the idiot old man.... MS can have been in the sport for
>as long as he likes, but that does not >give him the wisdom to know if an IP
>address can truely pin point the physical >location of the poster. And that
>my dear fellow, that is all that I was >questioning.
He's also on the west coast and has acess to the best and brightest of Silcon
Valley...fuk the old buzzard prolly knows bill gates. You on the otherhand are
just another young idiot that thinks he knows it all, I'll make my stand with
the Lodi man
ya novice bitch ;)P
Tom B
> I am not interested in whether Danny is for real or not. I am just
> questioning your ability to pin-point where someone is physically
> sitting via their IP address.
>
> Dave
You can't track them. It is the implants in their heads that we can track.
Tom B
Capt. hook
>> questioning your ability to pin-point where someone is physically
>> sitting via their IP address.
>>
>> Dave
>
>You can't track them. It is the implants in their heads that we can track.
>
>Tom B
>
>
computer skill's, shit I gotta wait for a school bus to stop and let kids out
along the farm market road when my computer or DVD is having a bad day just to
git them back on line...the little 5th grade sharpies
even know where the modem is in this thing and how to take it out but just to
be safe...I'm gonna star wearing a tin foil helment to disguise my location
frum yew big city geeks....
SkydiverRick
> just to be safe...I'm gonna star wearing a tin foil helment to
> disguise my location frum yew big city geeks....
>
>
>
> "Fit Via Vi"
> Cuirtan Mheadhon Oidhche
Stealth trips to the montrose?
Capt. hook
>
>> just to be safe...I'm gonna star wearing a tin foil helment to
>> disguise my location frum yew big city geeks....
>>
>>
>>
>> "Fit Via Vi"
>>
>
>
>
Tom B
you don't know Jan, or you know her and are doing an endaround to slam her
because you don't have the balls or brains to do it face to face. Jan has
done an incredable job as a USPA director, letting the membership know what
is really going on in the background. She is as qualified as just about
anyone I know skydiving.
You on the other hand are some nameless prick, unwilling to challenge your
betters in an open forum where people can judge your experience and use that
known experience to value your statements.
Jan has put more time in trying to improve this sport than most people have
in the sport total.
Tom B
"skydiver" <skydi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Skydive Greene County
The person you responded to does NOT have a clue!
Jan Meyers has done more and will continue to do more for our wonderful
sport than you could ever hope to accomplish!!
Lee West
"Tom B" <d16...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Skydive Greene County
Lee
"Skydive Greene County" <in...@skydiveohio.com> wrote in message
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BVAskydive
>Hmmm....
>-Josh
Want to bet it's Cary himself plugging away from his 100+ email addresses? :-)
Blue Skies
Billy Vance
RUSSELL HAYSLETT
"BVAskydive" <bvask...@aol.com> wrote in message
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BVAskydive
>From: "RUSSELL HAYSLETT" russell....@worldnet.att.net
>What? No one told you yet, your sources failing you?
That was a joke, obviously you didn't get it.
Billy
Jerry K.
A metal collander does the job just as well and is sportier.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
>>Capt. hick wrote:
>>
>>> just to be safe...I'm gonna star wearing a tin foil helment to
>>> disguise my location frum yew big city geeks....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Fit Via Vi"
>>>
>>
>>Stealth trips to the montrose?
>>
>>
>nahhhh Jerry K ain't my main squeeze anymore!
Never was. Besides, you'd like it too much and can't afford it.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jan Meyer
>
> Jan, you are way off on this one.
Be careful that you don't shoot the messenger.
I looked at your site and see the
> great amount of work that you have done on this skyride thing. You
> must have too much time on your hands.
I wish I had a lot of time on my hands. Altho, it would be nice to let
you think I did a lot of work on those 4 files, I'd rather you know it
took less than an hour. Not bragging - just trying to let you know how
easy it is. The list of domain names is in a select list. THat list
primarly was a copy & paste from http://www.whois.sc/AlSkydiving.com (or
any one of their domains in there). If you click on the link that says
'339 websites', it will give you the first hundred. The nearly second
hundred came from just pattern recognition and domain lists that Billy
has listed here over a year ago. Regular expressions work wonders.
The top frame is filled by one of Cary's sites.
The bottom frame is http://www.whois.sc/domain, where domain is
substituted in from the selected index value.
[I don't know if you thought those were pages I did.]
The one pager explanation took 20 minutes of that hour. A few more
minutes throwing some simple html around it.
When you hear and read the same story over and over again for more than
a year, it's pretty easy to summarize it.
This ip tracking thing that you
> think you can do is either a fabrication or possibly you are merely
> ignorant.
That ip tracking is publically available information.
You can try it yourself at dnsstuff.com
Type in an ip addy or domain & it'll go look up the info.
GeekTools.com also has a cool little Windows app that does the same
thing.
I was ignorant of this at one time. I did my homework. Tony Ross was my
tutor.
I can't really tell if you are spoof-posting from Costa Mesa - mainly
because I haven't searched the list of anoymonous public proxies for
your IP address of 216.133.166.97
http://dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=216.133.166.97
As for the anonymous postings with one off email addresses,
> I agree with you. Not many people would want to be public with a post
> against you once they realize how much free time your must have and
> see the fanatical effort that you will put into your little vendetta.
> I don't know what you have against the skyride people but I work for
> one of the largest dz's in the country and am a BIG fan of the skyride
> company as is the owner. We had at least 60 people last month alone
> from a magazine ad that they ran. These people may have never had the
> idea to skydive but saw the ad and came out. Several of them are or
> have gone through student progression. Our drop zone has really
> benefited from our skyride involvement.
>
I am really glad that someone is benefiting from this. My post is more
informational than anything. A lot of people think SkyRide is a simple
booking agent. [There is nothing wrong with a booking agency.] It is far
from that.
Beyond what I wrote on my website, there is also another aspect of this
that was related to me by yet another DZO about a year ago. This past
week I heard the identical 'speculation about the future' from a
different DZO from a different part of the country.
The speculation goes like this:
SkyRide makes the DZs happy by recruiting tandems for them. After a year
or two, SkyRide has made its name in the whuffo public. It has branded
itself in the minds of one-time jumpers. Skydive Detroit, Skydive
Sacramento, Skydive Philiadelphia, Skydive Knoxville etc etc dominate
the public's awareness. Someone that does a jump through SkyRide today,
meets someone a couple of years from now and highly reccomends SkyRide.
Only thing is, a couple of years from now - the scene may be very
different. One day, a couple of years from know, SkyRide opens its own
DZs across the country - nearly simultaneously. At this instant,
referrals to all of the real DZs (that we know today) are cut off from
SkyRide. SkyRide saves up other people's money to buy a fleet to support
the operations. It's much better to use OPM than your own, right?
SkyRide is run by DZOs. That's a significant difference than an airline
booking agency run by people that would not know much about starting an
airline. It's kind of strange that it is working at all. Can you imagine
one DZO saying to his neighboring DZO - 'Hey I'll take care of
advertising for both of our DZs. We'll split the customers.' Maybe the
SkyRide long term plan might be realized by 'competing' DZOs and they
may do cooperative adverting in their area with their branding. One can
only hope that DZOs realize how good Cary's advertizing is.
There is a big picture here that many people do not see.
Think of Cary and Ben's new twin otter with the SkyRide logo paint job
flying into an airport near you.
If you think this is far-fetched, go look at this url that someone sent
me yesterday.
http://www.fineliving.com/fine/back_to_basics/episode/0,1663,FINE_1408_22185,00.html
> Try to be a little more open and please do not get so falsely abusive
> to those who feel it is right for skyride and the companies like them
> to help us all.
'Falsely abusive' - yeah right!
Why don't you contact Paul Osbourne in Australia and ask him about Cary
stealing his web site design and graphics?
Why don't you ask 1800soaring about Cary ripping off their contact list?
Why don't you ask Brent Finely about them using his photographs without
permission?
Why don't you ask PilotShack about Cary ripping off their site? [The NSA
site is the old PilotShack web design and content.]
Why don't you ask me why I am in a 'staff' picture on Los Angeles
Skydiving?
Only four people in that picture live in S. Cal. - Two of them don't
jump any more.
You might recognize who's who in the large version:
http://brentfinley.com/images/mi/mi-1001.jpg
Why don't you contact DZOS that have been complaining? [You'll have to
find them on you own. They were sent to me by HQ or emailed directly.]
Why don't you search a bit over the past couple of years on r.s. Many
DZOS have publically stated what has happened.
Why don't you read the reviews on DZ.com about ASC?
>
> Since I do not agree with you, I must be wrong right? This is where
> you say that I am a fake, or maybe that I am stupid, delusional, or
> whatever hateful thing that comes to your mind right?
You are just un-informed is all. There is a quick remedy for that.
Cary is counting on the "what's in it for me?", short term thinking.
Jan Meyer
>
> Tom posting because the following is hardly worth reading. Skydiver, either
> you don't know Jan, or you know her and are doing an endaround to slam her
> because you don't have the balls or brains to do it face to face. Jan has
> done an incredable job as a USPA director, letting the membership know what
> is really going on in the background. She is as qualified as just about
> anyone I know skydiving.
>
> You on the other hand are some nameless prick, unwilling to challenge your
> betters in an open forum where people can judge your experience and use that
> known experience to value your statements.
>
> Jan has put more time in trying to improve this sport than most people have
> in the sport total.
>
> Tom B
Thank you.
Chris Whitley
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>frum yew big city geeks....
>A metal collander does the job just as >well and is sportier.
>
>...bsrp
uh uh, ain't fooling me city slick... the three leg prongs sticking up attract
lighting
Tom B
> OOps, not meaning you Tom, but the idiot you were responding to.
>
That gets to be a problem when you have more than one idiot in a post. :)
Tom B
Mike Spurgeon
> What? No one told you yet, your sources failing you?
You should really drop out of this thread, Russell.
You're making yourself out to be a bit retarded.
Jerry K.
>>I'm gonna start wearing a tin foil helment >to disguise my location
>>frum yew big city geeks....
>
>>A metal collander does the job just as >well and is sportier.
>>
>>...bsrp
>
>uh uh, ain't fooling me city slick... the three leg prongs sticking up attract
>lighting
So does living under trees and besides, none of the alien and
governement technologies can accurately triangulate position when the
ions are up so you can actually take if off then and give the inside a
wipe with no fear of being located.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>uh uh, ain't fooling me city slick... the >three leg prongs sticking up
>attract lighting
>So does living under trees
The foundation is on rubber tires, did you forgit I live on wheels?
Jerry K.
>>A metal collander does the job just as >well and is sportier.
>
>>uh uh, ain't fooling me city slick... the >three leg prongs sticking up
>>attract lighting
>
>>So does living under trees
>
>The foundation is on rubber tires, did you forgit I live on wheels?
Then there should be no worries about the three prongs attacting
lightning should there?
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>>>attract lighting
>So does living under trees
>
>The foundation is on rubber tires, did you >forgit I live on wheels?
>Then there should be no worries about the three prongs attacting
>lightning should there?
>
I pee on a tree outside ;)P
Jerry K.
>>uh uh, ain't fooling me city slick... the >three leg prongs sticking up
>>>>attract lighting
>
>>So does living under trees
>>
>
>>The foundation is on rubber tires, did you >forgit I live on wheels?
>
>>Then there should be no worries about the three prongs attacting
>>lightning should there?
>>
>
>I pee on a tree outside
Technically, peeing your pants while leaning against a tree is not
actually peeing on a tree.
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>Technically, peeing your pants while >leaning against a tree is not
>actually peeing on a tree.
>
Thats whats great about living this far out
I kin go outside without my pants...don't have to wear shoes either....Dunno
how you city people make it all jammed up together down there in Harris County
SkydiverRick
> Thats whats great about living this far out
> I kin go outside without my pants...don't have to wear shoes
> either.... ;)P
> "Fit Via Vi"
> Cuirtan Mheadhon Oidhche
Explains the bigfoot sightings.
Jerry K.
>>I pee on a tree outside
>
>>Technically, peeing your pants while >leaning against a tree is not
>>actually peeing on a tree.
>>
>
>Thats whats great about living this far out
>I kin go outside without my pants...don't have to wear shoes either....Dunno
>how you city people make it all jammed up together down there in Harris County
Hell, I can go outside with out pants too and shoes aren't required
either. The thing is, I can go outside and piss on a tree *with*
pants and while pissing the tree, miss the pants.
...bsrp
...jlk
Jerry K.
And leprecauns - you know, the wee folk.
...bsrp
...jlk
RUSSELL HAYSLETT
JDub
> Only retards make clames they can't backup.
That would explain your claims about no aircraft accidents or cloud jumps at
ASC.
-Josh
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all jammed up together down there in Harris
>Hell, I can go outside with out pants too and shoes aren't required
>either. The thing is, I can go outside and piss on a tree *with*
>pants and while pissing the tree, miss the pants.
>
>jlk
kinda uncoordinated for a skydiver ain't you kid?
Mike Spurgeon
> Only retards make clames they can't backup.
The downside to that is they can't spell...
Jerry K.
I dunno about that, I mean - I'm coordinated enough to not have to
completely remove my clothing just to pee..
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>I dunno about that, I mean - I'm >coordinated enough to not have to
>completely remove my clothing just to >pee..
ya got a problem grasping concept don't ya city slick? I don't bother to put
them on
unless I gotta go to Livingston or Woodville
Ain't much out here most of the year but me and the wild critters...I know
thats a hard concept for suberban kids to grasp.
But their are places in Texas that ain't crowded. ;-*
Jerry K.
>>kinda uncoordinated for a skydiver ain't >you kid?
>
>>I dunno about that, I mean - I'm >coordinated enough to not have to
>>completely remove my clothing just to >pee..
>
>ya got a problem grasping concept don't ya city slick? I don't bother to put
>them on
>unless I gotta go to Livingston or Woodville
So, whadya do when you get back from Livingston or Woodville and have
to go? I mean, it ain't rocket science to unzip and do your business
one after another but if you gotta keep the pants off for easy (and
less soggy) access, sure - fine by me but I suppose if you gotta chew
gum or something you wait until *after* the walk and spit it out
before you go. I gotcha.
>Ain't much out here most of the year but me and the wild critters...I know
>thats a hard concept for suberban kids to grasp.
>But their are places in Texas that ain't crowded.
So, do the locals use effigies of you sans pants to keep the deer out
of the corn or do they just contract you. The Peta geeks would be
shocked but then, I suspect our Department of the Interior would feel
kinda nauseated about the whole idea as well
...bsrp
...jlk
Capt. hook
>I dunno about that, I mean - I'm >coordinated enough to not have to
>completely remove my clothing just to >pee..
>ya got a problem grasping concept don't >ya city slick? I don't bother to put
>them on
>unless I gotta go to Livingston or >Woodville
>So, whadya do when you get back from >Livingston or Woodville and have
>to go?
Take yesterday, I went into town to git gas
50 miles round trip a long way for old kidneys...luckly I'm hung like a horse
and it ain't got cold enuff for bib ovehauls yet.
I just dropped it out the bottom of my coach shorts and took a leak while
filling up....I'm an artist at peeing straight down and not hitting my feet, ya
gotta know how to position the car at the pumps and what door to leave open
though You city boys gotta run in and squat every time ya need to pee? Thats
what yew git for putting yer shorts on backwards! o~;->
Jerry K.
>>kinda uncoordinated for a skydiver ain't >you kid?
>
>>I dunno about that, I mean - I'm >coordinated enough to not have to
>>completely remove my clothing just to >pee..
>
>>ya got a problem grasping concept don't >ya city slick? I don't bother to put
>>them on
>>unless I gotta go to Livingston or >Woodville
>
>>So, whadya do when you get back from >Livingston or Woodville and have
>>to go?
>
>Take yesterday, I went into town to git gas
>50 miles round trip a long way for old kidneys...
I suppose the truckers were kinda amused seeing this weird fuck
driving around without his pants. Any takers?
>luckly I'm hung like a horse
I'll bet you say that to all the truckers.
>and it ain't got cold enuff for bib ovehauls yet.
>I just dropped it out the bottom of my coach shorts
Oh, you were wearing shorts. I gotcha. You doing a polyester
doubleknit stretch hotpants kinda thing. Truckers dig that, eh?
>and took a leak while
>filling up....
Oh yeah - nothing like a little public urination on private property
to keep the trucker's interest, I guess.
>I'm an artist at peeing straight down and not hitting my feet,
So, after you've left your marker, do the truckers pick up on that and
follow the scent or do they get fooled when unsuspecting innocents
unknowingly walk in your urine and obscure the trail?
>ya
>gotta know how to position the car at the pumps and what door to leave open
I'll keep that in mind the next time I decide to urinate while filling
the car up with gas.
>though You city boys gotta run in and squat every time ya need to pee? Thats
>what yew git for putting yer shorts on backwards!
Hell, I've written my name in the snow and left spore under a rock in
mountain passes two and a half miles up and in the woods a hundred
miles from the nearest portacan but I have to admit, I've yet to leave
a pool of urine in a public place where anyone might end up walking
through it. Aside from respect for other people's health and
property, I think there are laws which prohibit such selfish behavior.
...bsrp
...jlk
Tom B
Tom B
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