How Long Before Philips drops +RW?
Philip
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As I have often stated Philips have made quite substantial loses in
recordable DVD technology, this is now in the report above, although they
are careful not to pin-point +RW as the cause. Pioneer in comparison has
been making money on recordable DVD.
The division for +RW is basically being disbanded in Europe and moving to
Taiwan, even though they are still concentrating on the European market.
Could +RW be set to go the same way as CD-i, Digital Cassette Tape and
V2000?
Regards
Philip
pothole
>Hi
>
>http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=3143
Philips announces plan to strengthen optical storage activities, do
you understand what strengthen means.
>
>As I have often stated Philips have made quite substantial loses in
>recordable DVD technology, this is now in the report above, although they
>are careful not to pin-point +RW as the cause. Pioneer in comparison has
>been making money on recordable DVD.
Could we see the link to the pioneer site as well or are you bias, as
you say no pin point to +RW so your point is.
This was clipped form the article "focusing on DVD+RW where margins
are profitable and improving as the standard becomes established, and
at the same time significantly reducing fixed costs" How many
companies have significanly reduced costs by moving to Taiwan, Marks
and Spencers is one that springs to mind.
>
>The division for +RW is basically being disbanded in Europe and moving to
>Taiwan, even though they are still concentrating on the European market.
>
>Could +RW be set to go the same way as CD-i, Digital Cassette Tape and
>V2000?
I am sure you would like to think so, as when DVD-R/RW was introduced
some thought it would be the end of DVD-Ram but you say not.
But this is the type of article I would have expected you to post a
link to,
Try this link
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=3082
Philips unveils its high performance 4X DVD+R/+RW PC drive at Comdex
2002
Tuesday, 19 November 2002
Royal Philips Electronics will unveil its latest DVD+R/+RW data drive
that offers a faster writing speed on DVD+R media. This DVD+R/+RW 4x
data drive is the latest offering to emerge from Philips? integrated
roadmap of high performance DVD+RW products
>
>Regards
>
>Philip
>
>
Pothole.
Chimp
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> Could +RW be set to go the same way as CD-i, Digital Cassette Tape and
> V2000?
It almost certainly will, I just hope that for the people who have purchased
+ only machines that the discs will be made for some time to come
Keep cool
>
> http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=3143
>
> As I have often stated Philips have made quite substantial loses in
> recordable DVD technology, this is now in the report above, although they
> are careful not to pin-point +RW as the cause.
In fact it takes great pains to point out the exact opposite.
"The turnaround of POS Data will be achieved by eliminating
unprofitable product lines based on more mature technologies, focusing
on DVD+RW where margins are profitable and improving as the standard
becomes established, and at the same time significantly reducing fixed
costs."
> Pioneer in comparison has
> been making money on recordable DVD.
>
> The division for +RW is basically being disbanded in Europe and moving to
> Taiwan, even though they are still concentrating on the European market.
That is not what the article says. The move affects PC storage systems
- it mentions nothing about set-top recorders.
Try to use a little judgement here. Would you disband an activity
where "margins are profitable and improving as the standard becomes
established"?
Well, would you?
> Could +RW be set to go the same way as CD-i, Digital Cassette Tape and
> V2000?
Could +RW go the way of the audio cassette, the CD and CD-R, some of
the other Philips products you failed to mention?
Given what they are saying about the trend in the business, I'd say
Philips are on to a very good track.
> Regards
>
> Philip
Jes
>On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 17:56:46 -0000, "Philip" <nom...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi
>>
>>http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=3143
>
>Philips announces plan to strengthen optical storage activities, do
>you understand what strengthen means.
>>
>>As I have often stated Philips have made quite substantial loses in
>>recordable DVD technology, this is now in the report above, although they
>>are careful not to pin-point +RW as the cause. Pioneer in comparison has
>>been making money on recordable DVD.
>
>Could we see the link to the pioneer site as well or are you bias, as
>you say no pin point to +RW so your point is.
>
>This was clipped form the article "focusing on DVD+RW where margins
>are profitable and improving as the standard becomes established, and
>at the same time significantly reducing fixed costs" How many
>companies have significanly reduced costs by moving to Taiwan, Marks
>and Spencers is one that springs to mind.
You must be joking.
Most of the media and most of anything comes out of Taiwan.
Ever wondered why the US is so eager to defend it against China?
It's because there are zillions of US based companies over in Taiwan.
>>
>>The division for +RW is basically being disbanded in Europe and moving to
>>Taiwan, even though they are still concentrating on the European market.
>>
>>Could +RW be set to go the same way as CD-i, Digital Cassette Tape and
>>V2000?
>
>I am sure you would like to think so, as when DVD-R/RW was introduced
>some thought it would be the end of DVD-Ram but you say not.
>
>But this is the type of article I would have expected you to post a
>link to,
>
>Try this link
>http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=3082
>
>Philips unveils its high performance 4X DVD+R/+RW PC drive at Comdex
>2002
> Tuesday, 19 November 2002
>
>Royal Philips Electronics will unveil its latest DVD+R/+RW data drive
>that offers a faster writing speed on DVD+R media. This DVD+R/+RW 4x
>data drive is the latest offering to emerge from Philips? integrated
>roadmap of high performance DVD+RW products
What has to be a worry is that Sony has dropped their Sony dvd+r/+rw
units as they have been a sales disaster. Sony recently went for the
dual unit and that has more problems which many people have poste
throughout the news groups.
Sony has hoped that the dual unit will prolong the dvd+r/+rw that they
have invested in. dvd plus media sales are not going to well across
the globe. Only ricoh and a handful of businesses make dvd+r/+rw
media. HP and Sony get theor media from Ricoh as do many others then
there is branding on the media. A sony drive is basically a ricoh
unit.
Then compare the many dvd-r/-rw brands of mmedoia out there. Some come
from the one manufacter but there are many manufactures from within
the US, Taiwan and even some in Korea. This is why dvd-r-rw media is
so much cheaper. It's all to do with supply and demand.
There isn't the demand for dvd plus media so most manufacterers
don;t even bother with it. They would be chopping their own heads off
if they started dvd plus mediaas they don;t sell very well as it is
and it would mean causing more confusion in the market place which
means people hold off which again is bad for business.
DVD-R has been around at leat 5 to 6 years.
DVD+R media has only been out about 18 months if that.
KH
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The more that "Philip" slings this this sort of mud at all things Philips
and DVD+RW I begin to wonder what position he has within the Pioneer
organization???........
Well you never know...he could be!.Anyone can post on here.
Someone with this amount of knowledge has to be involved in the industry
somewhere either as a manufacturer,journalist,retailer.....or I could be
wrong..maybe just an enthusiast?? I presume that he is the same "Philip"
that is a moderator on DVD-Info.net forum?
Over to you Philip me old fruit!
KH
Jeff Wildman
Philips has a long track record for abandoning things they start and
will likely be out of the DVD business within the next few years. To
what extent other manufacturers will want to carry the +RW torch is
unknown. Sony seems to like aligning themselves with orphan formats
that have been initiated by others.
Villu
While being owner of Philps +RW drive I try not to argue and protect my
buying decision... but I just want to point out that in a 2 years there may
be +RW driver as common in every PC then CDR drives now and that is not
because of DVD video stuff ... but just because a CDR replacement with more
capacity has been needed and long waited. And +RW is better for pure data
purposes and PC markets can't be compared with DVD markets.
And because of all other things it's capable, it can also write DVD videos,
it's future is argued on this forum. I bought it data archiving in mind and
the DVD video capabilities is a free extra.
What concerns prices, it changes in a weeks - likely DVD rewritable will be
as cheap as CDRW now.
So future is that many people will have +RW data drives in they computers,
while others still gather in this forum and keep arguing what is better ...
villu
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Philip
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Pioneer or some other related to the DVD Forum. Are you an employee of
Philips?
With the lack of advertising and marketing by Pioneer and other companies
involved with the DVD Forum formats, do you really think they would go to
the trouble of having someone like me posting in a forum that probably is
read by far less than 1% of the general public.
Lol
Regards
Philip
Philip
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> > Hi
> >
> > http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=3143
> >
> > As I have often stated Philips have made quite substantial loses in
> > recordable DVD technology, this is now in the report above, although
they
> > are careful not to pin-point +RW as the cause.
>
> In fact it takes great pains to point out the exact opposite.
>
positive as possible without being misleading to share-holders and the like
to avoid them getting into trouble. Philips could have said they were
closing everything for good but still would have found something positive to
say ;-)
Of course they do say they are making money on consumer products, e.g. PC
drives and set-top recorders, but it doesn't take a genius to know what is
happening.
Philips buys its PC Drives OEM from Ricoh, where Ricoh are forced to sell
these products at a low price (too low to make a decent payback?) due to
competing formats dictating market price. Ricoh then screws its suppliers
of servo's, lasers, LSI's etc due to making slim or no margins, and those
suppliers have to supply at this lower rate as competing formats dictate
they do to remain competitive, else the format dies. What sort of company
would make losses on selling these parts? A company that hopes the
popularity of the format will take off before they go out of business, as
they are the ones to receive royalties. Which company is this, Philips of
course who have posted losses on its optical components!
What goes around comes around. The likes of Pioneer and Panasonic have had
the advantage of sales of their drives at much higher prices for several
years ahead of +RW, which has meant expensive R&D has been recouped and
production lines are already operating at top efficiency.
It was always going to be an up-hill struggle for Philips coming into the
came so late.
They also state they will move to manufacturing "emerging standards" so if
DVD-RW, DVD-RAM, and DVD-R are seen as profitable you bet that is what the
optical divison will start making parts for. This could lead to the drying
up of +RW specific components which would make Philips decision easier to
drop the format.
Regards
Philip
pothole
<dril...@removethis.lineone.net> wrote:
>
>The more that "Philip" slings this this sort of mud at all things Philips
>and DVD+RW I begin to wonder what position he has within the Pioneer
>organization???........
>
>Well you never know...he could be!.Anyone can post on here.
>Someone with this amount of knowledge has to be involved in the industry
>somewhere either as a manufacturer,journalist,retailer.....or I could be
>wrong..maybe just an enthusiast?? I presume that he is the same "Philip"
>that is a moderator on DVD-Info.net forum?
>
>Over to you Philip me old fruit!
>
>KH
Yes I have mentioned this before but he denies it well he would, he
said he had never been in retail, but he had as one of his posts on
the DVDplus forum pointed out, could never understand why he posted in
there. I still maintain he used to work for Philips at some time and
is a disgruntled employee, how could anyone hate a company as he
obvously does.
Pothole.
Philip
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> Hello!
>
> And +RW is better for pure data..
With all due respect this is nothing more than marketing and is why a lot of
people do not trust the RW Alliance who are promoting this format. It is
also why a lot of people are buying it!
The aspects of +RW that make it better for data have not been introduced on
any shipping +RW PC Drive to date!
Regards
Philip
pothole
>With the lack of advertising and marketing by Pioneer and other companies
>involved with the DVD Forum formats, do you really think they would go to
>the trouble of having someone like me posting in a forum that probably is
>read by far less than 1% of the general public.
>
>Lol
>
>Regards
>
>Philip
>
Less than 1% of the general public thats being very, very generous,
but I suppose 0.0000000001% is less than 1 ;-)
pothole
>What goes around comes around. The likes of Pioneer and Panasonic have had
>the advantage of sales of their drives at much higher prices for several
>years ahead of +RW, which has meant expensive R&D has been recouped and
>production lines are already operating at top efficiency.
Then you would have thought if this was the case, they could have
dropped the price well below anything Philips could had manufactured.
I had said before, have they got a marketing department.
>
>It was always going to be an up-hill struggle for Philips coming into the
>came so late.
Just look at the amount of standalone recorders that are Philips on
sale in the high street in the UK, they may have been late but great
marketing and now a TV advertisement. To the man in the street the
only company that makes standalones DVD recorders is Philips.
>
>They also state they will move to manufacturing "emerging standards" so if
>DVD-RW, DVD-RAM, and DVD-R are seen as profitable you bet that is what the
>optical divison will start making parts for. This could lead to the drying
>up of +RW specific components which would make Philips decision easier to
>drop the format.
Is this as well as TDK, Verbatim and Ricoh.
>
>Regards
>
>Philip
>
>
Pothole.
KH
>
> Yes I have mentioned this before but he denies it well he would, he
> said he had never been in retail, but he had as one of his posts on
> the DVDplus forum pointed out, could never understand why he posted in
> there. I still maintain he used to work for Philips at some time and
> is a disgruntled employee, how could anyone hate a company as he
> obvously does.
>
> Pothole.
Still hasn't answered the question has he??
KH
KH
They've progressively lost most of their customers for their drives in the
PC industry,so much so there is only Apple left. Sony and NEC will be using
their own drives when the boom time for DVDR occurs next year.As for the
others, they all use DVD+ drives apart from Gateway(RAM) and emachines(yet
to make their mind up?)
KH
Philip
You guys crack me up and I did answer the question although probably too
sarcastically for you to get the answer :-) I am in no way connected with
any industry remotely involved with DVD Players or recorders. I do not work
in retail (although have but way before DVD Recordable was born) or for any
other organisation or company selling these products.
Regards
Philip
Philip
Hi
This information is readily available, just go to their website (Pioneer)
and check their financial reports to see how they are doing.
Do you not think that selling DVD PC Recorders at around £3000.00 each when
they were launched didn't help with payback on R&D costs? Newcomers with a
new format that has had to be designed then hit the market place with
already competitive prices set are in for a hard struggle. No mystery, that
is how it is.
Regards
Philip
Keep cool
> "Keep cool" <ano...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "Philip" <nom...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > > Hi
> > >
> > > http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=3143
> > >
> > > As I have often stated Philips have made quite substantial loses in
> > > recordable DVD technology, this is now in the report above, although
> they
> > > are careful not to pin-point +RW as the cause.
> >
> > In fact it takes great pains to point out the exact opposite.
> >
> Well it is a press release worded very carefully to try and remain as
> positive as possible without being misleading to share-holders and the like
> to avoid them getting into trouble. Philips could have said they were
> closing everything for good but still would have found something positive to
> say ;-)
This is your "spin" on what is a very clearly worded announcement.
They say "margins are positive and improving" on DVD+RW products.
There is very little room for interpretation on this, and certainly
not the 180 degree turn you are trying to place on it.
>
> Of course they do say they are making money on consumer products, e.g. PC
> drives and set-top recorders, but it doesn't take a genius to know what is
> happening.
>
> Philips buys its PC Drives OEM from Ricoh, where Ricoh are forced to sell
> these products at a low price (too low to make a decent payback?) due to
> competing formats dictating market price. Ricoh then screws its suppliers
> of servo's, lasers, LSI's etc due to making slim or no margins, and those
> suppliers have to supply at this lower rate as competing formats dictate
> they do to remain competitive, else the format dies. What sort of company
> would make losses on selling these parts? A company that hopes the
> popularity of the format will take off before they go out of business, as
> they are the ones to receive royalties. Which company is this, Philips of
> course who have posted losses on its optical components!
Pure speculation. Provide evidence:
i) that Ricoh sells it drives to Philips at deliberately deflated
margins
ii) that Ricoh sources its optical drive components primarily from
Philips
iii) that there are no alternatives to Philips components at similar
costs
iv) that Philips' optical components division's margins derive
primarily from DVD components
Unless you can do all four of the above, you're not just deliberately
misinterpreting the article, you're creating an issue where none
exists.
As an element of my own speculation, I would guess that Philips'
optical components business still has substantial production capacity
in CD drive components. The trend away from CD to DVD and the weak PC
market are likely to be making things difficult for CD drive
components, prompting a restructuring of the business. I'd say this is
a much more straight forward and likely explanation of the
announcement than your long winded transfer cost theory.
> What goes around comes around. The likes of Pioneer and Panasonic have had
> the advantage of sales of their drives at much higher prices for several
> years ahead of +RW, which has meant expensive R&D has been recouped and
> production lines are already operating at top efficiency.
This is voodoo economics. Prices are determined by what the market
will bear, available production and competition. They are not
determined by sunk costs such as R&D (which in any case are unlikely
to have been as large as for DVD-RAM for example). As for factory
efficiency, unless you have inside knowledge, what you state here is
again pure speculation which is certainly not backed up by the article
you produced.
I would speculate that production capacity for DVD products is still
being ramped up and optimised at all of the companies you mention, and
that it is not a barrier to entry. If factory optimisation was that
big of an issue, there would only be one DVD player manufacturer - the
most efficient.
BTW I could just as easily claim that factory efficiency at Pioneer
has low and that DVDR production is being cross-subsidized by
Matsushita's components business. I'd be making it up, just as you're
doing.
> It was always going to be an up-hill struggle for Philips coming into the
> came so late.
>
> They also state they will move to manufacturing "emerging standards" so if
> DVD-RW, DVD-RAM, and DVD-R are seen as profitable you bet that is what the
> optical divison will start making parts for. This could lead to the drying
> up of +RW specific components which would make Philips decision easier to
> drop the format.
And other optical components makers can make parts for Philips
products. The components and final product markets are related, but
distinct. That is precisely why your attempt to "blend" the two
together is IMO unsubstatiated propaganda.
> Regards
>
> Philip
Peter
its activity to Taiwan).
Already the bigger OEMs have seen the potential of +RW over -RW and are
promoting + or are switching from - to +
E.g. Dell, NEC and HP (also Compaq before the merge with HP), Mac is
seriously looking into it, Microsoft has announced full +RW and MRW support
(think next generation Xbox), Sony is concentrating on +RW as well (looking
for a way to slowly move from - to + without losing face). A few more
examples come to mind ...
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"Philip" <nom...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Gav
> > > As I have often stated Philips have made quite substantial loses in
> > > recordable DVD technology, this is now in the report above, although
> they
> > > are careful not to pin-point +RW as the cause.
> >
> > In fact it takes great pains to point out the exact opposite.
> >
> Well it is a press release worded very carefully to try and remain as
> positive as possible without being misleading to share-holders and the like
> to avoid them getting into trouble. Philips could have said they were
> closing everything for good but still would have found something positive to
> say ;-)
>
> Of course they do say they are making money on consumer products, e.g. PC
> drives and set-top recorders, but it doesn't take a genius to know what is
> happening.
Yep, you are having paranoid fantasies about conspiracies and
double dealing behind consumer appliances. Worrying for you as a
person, but amusing to the rest of us.
> Philips buys its PC Drives OEM from Ricoh, where Ricoh are forced to sell
> these products at a low price (too low to make a decent payback?) due to
> competing formats dictating market price. Ricoh then screws its suppliers
> of servo's, lasers, LSI's etc due to making slim or no margins, and those
> suppliers have to supply at this lower rate as competing formats dictate
> they do to remain competitive, else the format dies. What sort of company
> would make losses on selling these parts? A company that hopes the
> popularity of the format will take off before they go out of business, as
> they are the ones to receive royalties. Which company is this, Philips of
> course who have posted losses on its optical components!
Shock, horror! A manufacturer screws its suppliers for the lowest
prices on component parts. A sure sign of a conspiracy, as normally
manufacturers like to support their suppliers by paying as much as
they can afford. Well spotted there, Philip.
> What goes around comes around. The likes of Pioneer and Panasonic have had
> the advantage of sales of their drives at much higher prices for several
> years ahead of +RW, which has meant expensive R&D has been recouped and
> production lines are already operating at top efficiency.
Clue: There's realtively very little difference between the innards
of a DVD+ burner and a DVD- burner. How do you think that Sony can
make a machine that offers cutting edge performance in BOTH formats
for the same price as a single-format burner?
> It was always going to be an up-hill struggle for Philips coming into the
> came so late.
It was certainly going to be a struggle to get the format accepted,
but so far they seem to be doing a good job.
> They also state they will move to manufacturing "emerging standards" so if
> DVD-RW, DVD-RAM, and DVD-R are seen as profitable you bet that is what the
> optical divison will start making parts for. This could lead to the drying
> up of +RW specific components which would make Philips decision easier to
> drop the format.
Which parts exactly do you think are +RW specific then? In reality
it's just the controller chipsets which are really different, the
interfacing, mechanism and head assembly of a DVD+ drive are
remarkably similar to a DVD- drive. So similar that we are now seeing
drives that do both formats but which are priced on a par with the
regular single format drives.
Gav
Philip
Hi
What isn't speculation on this newsgroup?
You are just speculating that I am speculating. Then you try and speculate
that I have insider information because you think I am really a Pioneer
employee, just speculation.
Tell you one thing, I have been involved in the writing and the putting of
positive spin on various types of texts similar to Philips recent press
release and I know to read between the lines :-)
Regards
Philip
KH
>
> Do you not think that selling DVD PC Recorders at around £3000.00 each
when
> they were launched didn't help with payback on R&D costs?
A bit like the Philips DVD1000 and DVDR1500 which were £1500 when launched a
year ago.
KH
Philip
Yep and quickly fell in price upsetting many first time adopters, especially
considering the technical problems and +R support had to waited for.
Pioneer's 7000 sells for around the same price it did at launch. Not to
mention Pioneer and Pansonic having sold first and second generation
recorders in Asia for a few years before Philips 1000 ever saw the light of
day.
Many more billions of media have been sold at higher prices too, with
Pioneer getting royalities for each disc sold, again several years before +
media hit the shelves.
Regards
Philip
Keep cool
Top ten reasons why Philip hates Philips:
10. Blatant trademark infringement on the "Philip" brand.
9. Believes he invented the the CD in school workshop class but had
idea stolen by Philips.
8. What do a bunch of tulip growers and dyke finger pokers know about
electronics anyway?
7. Holland just way too flat to be a decent country.
6. Still not over the fact his vinyl collection was made obsolete by
CD's.
5. Philips have lots of money and get all the good-looking girls.
4. Tried to emulate Dutch dyke hero by inserting fingers into a
Philips tape deck. Got stuck and had to call fire brigade.
3. Philips are the evil spawn of satan. Nuf sed.
2. Realised those Dutch guys all smoke cannabis - legally!
and the number one reason Philip hates Philips:
1. Tired of hearing "Philip, Let's make things better" from his
girlfriend.
:o) :o) :o)
Keep cool
A statement like "margins are positive and improving" on DVD+RW
products.
> You are just speculating that I am speculating. Then you try and speculate
> that I have insider information because you think I am really a Pioneer
> employee, just speculation.
No. I said that unless you have insider information, you're making
things up. Since I also think you're making things up, I actually
think you're not a Pioneer employee or for that matter anyone with a
knowledge of component pricing or factory efficiency. But that's just
pure speculation on my part :o)
> Tell you one thing, I have been involved in the writing and the putting of
> positive spin on various types of texts similar to Philips recent press
> release and I know to read between the lines :-)
So have I and so do I. However, there is a difference between reading
between the lines and making whole chunks up as you go along. :o)
> Regards
>
> Philip
KH
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Philip
> If Philips are about to drop +RW this is a strange announcement.
>
> http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=3167
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Not really, maybe it is one last attempt to get some support from other
manufacturers before they pull the plug. Funny how this announcement from
Philips about reference machines and one-stop solutions for manufacturers
keep appearing every few months!
Makes me laugh how they try and make-out they are so wonderful for being the
first manufacturer to have such a solution. Considering *they are the only*
manufacturer that makes these +RW machines (and not very reliably judging by
the threads over at dvdplusrw) it comes as no surprise they can provide a
one-stop solution.
Incidentally, if Philips machines were such a success and they taking over
the market share league table as you like to think, then why would they
encourage competition against their own models from other manufacturers by
providing a cheap solution? If you have a successful product you do not
give away all your trade secrets to the competition do you. Because the
whole format is choking to death as a VCR replacement due to the problems,
bugs, numerous firmware updates, and all the disc errors users report.
Philips are not interested in making and selling +RW set-top recorders, but
just raking in royalties, and until that happens they have to try and
promote the format themselves and keep it alive by marketing and selling
under their own name. The only chance the format has is if other
manufacturers can take the system and make it work better through further
investment and R&D. Any takers yet?
Regards
Philip
KH
> manufacturer that makes these +RW machines (and not very reliably judging
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> the threads over at dvdplusrw) it comes as no surprise they can provide a
> one-stop solution.
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> Regards
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> Philip
WHY do you CONTINUE to ignore the fact that such a large proportion of US
PC makers have decided to support +RW .This is not just about Philips!
If a large number of Americans have a +RW drive in their PC a fair few of
them will want the same format in their set top box be it made by Philips or
some obscure Chinese make sold in Wal-mart!
KH