Open letter to 4Kids Productions...
The Eternal Lost Lurker
Hubius Maximus
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I request context.
-Matt/Pickle/Jew-Pac
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Chris Mattern
> No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
>
>
>>http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
>
>
> I request context.
>
give us a taste of what lies in store, they have already
announced that the US release will be named "Hollywood
Mew Mew."
chris Mattern
The Eternal Lost Lurker
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> I request context.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
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The Eternal Lost Lurker <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote:
> "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
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> > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
> >
> > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> >
> > I request context.
> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
He obviously doesn't credit children with much intelligence, or else he
hasn't heard that anime has a following amongst the young. Why else would
some companies go to such extents as to dress American productions as
anime, for example Teen Titans? Obviously Kahn is a moron, or at very
least he has less contact with his audience than is good for a person in
his line of work, IMO.
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>In article <b%zTb.183$H82.11...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> The Eternal Lost Lurker <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote:
>
>> "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
>> news:bvmd1v$b2q$2...@news-int2.gatech.edu...
>> > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
>> >
>> > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
>> >
>> > I request context.
>
>> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
I like this quote:
Coleman will not confirm or deny rumors that one of Nickelodeon’s
strangest series will soon be out on DVD, but does say flat out that
there are no plans for Invader Zim to resume production of original
episodes.
-Galen
Anthony D Baranyi
"The Eternal Lost Lurker" <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote in message
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Remember - you and I aren't the target market. They don't give a shit if we
like what they do or not. They only want to sell ad time on Saturday
mornings.
I don't even care for "Tokyo Pew Pew", (I'd rather see "Dr. Rin" brought
over) but it's the approach in general by 4Kids that is offensive.
Good work anyway -
Dave Baranyi
Fuchsia Wonder
> "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
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> > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
> > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> >
> > I request context.
>
> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
I really wish Fox would just give up on licensing anime. They seem to
not be able to accomplish anything with what they get their hands on.
They cut and patched Escaflowne to hell and back, and didn't use Slayers
correctly. They either need to stop grabbing titles altogether, or fire
everyone in the division and bring in people that can make these
acquisitions work.
-Matt/Pickle/Jew-Pac
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> "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
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> > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> >
> > I request context.
>
> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
I really wish Fox would just give up on licensing anime. They seem to
not be able to accomplish anything with what they get their hands on.
The company they hired to deal with Escaflowne cut and patched it to hell
and back, and Fox also didn't use Slayers correctly. They either need
Steve Harrison
<musb...@xtn.net> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
>
> I like this quote:
>
> Coleman will not confirm or deny rumors that one of Nickelodeon's
> strangest series will soon be out on DVD, but does say flat out that
> there are no plans for Invader Zim to resume production of original
> episodes.
Wait...but....hasn't Mediablasters already confirmed they've got the
rights, and have the release sked already up, and..and....
(and I'm still surprised Paramount/Viacom leased the license...I mean, Zim
was 'troublesome' unlike that market-friendly (or is that marketing?)
Spongebob....*sigh*)
Oh, wait...TV Executive...that's right, information control and all that....
Nevermind... :)
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Kyle Thomas Pope
>Wait...but....hasn't Mediablasters already confirmed they've got the
>rights, and have the release sked already up, and..and....
More than confirmed. There's a trailer for Invader Zim on Twelve
Kingdoms #4.
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SukiyakiSushi82
>don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
It's not 1995...
Chris Sobieniak
wrote:
>>http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id>>=4584
>localize the programs kids don't even know they're
>from Japan anymore."
Such a facist corporate statement!
>He obviously doesn't credit children with much
>intelligence, or else he hasn't heard that anime has
>a following amongst the young.
I pick the first.
"Kids don't know what they want, that's why they're kids, because their
STUPID!!!" (Roger Meyers Jr. on The Simpsons)
>Why else would some companies go to such
>extents as to dress American productions as
>anime, for example Teen Titans? Obviously Kahn
>is a moron, or at very least he has less contact
>with his audience than is good for a person in his
>line of work, IMO.
>--
> //\ // Chika
Makes you wish FUNimation had the chance to get this show instead.
From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak
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Chris Sobieniak
(Anthony D Baranyi) wrote:
>"The Eternal Lost Lurker" <os...@raspberry.hv>
>wrote in message
>news:k6wTb.157$F75.97...@newssvr11.new>s.prodigy.com...
>>http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenlett>>er.jpg
>They don't give a shit if we like what they do or
>not. They only want to sell ad time on Saturday
>mornings.
Surprised "Saturday Morning" still exist in America these days. Nothing
like it was in the 80s mind you, but close.
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> In article <b%zTb.183$H82.11...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> The Eternal Lost Lurker <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote:
>
> > "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
> > news:bvmd1v$b2q$2...@news-int2.gatech.edu...
> > > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
> > >
> > > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> > >
> > > I request context.
>
> > http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
>
> Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>
> He obviously doesn't credit children with much intelligence, or else he
> hasn't heard that anime has a following amongst the young. Why else would
> some companies go to such extents as to dress American productions as
> anime, for example Teen Titans? Obviously Kahn is a moron, or at very
> least he has less contact with his audience than is good for a person in
> his line of work, IMO.
>
Maybe he means kids don't care if it's anime or not.
Like the Applejacks cereal, they just like what they like.
If it looks/tastes good to them, they like it.
If that "it" happens to be anime, then they like it,
though they couldn't care less that it's anime.
They just know they like it. ;-p
As for children's intelligence, explain Spongebob being
the highest rated children's show on US TV, not just cable.
Is that what you're looking for? ;-)
Laters. =)
Stan
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> In article <hdmt10d6osn0enn80...@4ax.com>, Galen Musbach
> <musb...@xtn.net> wrote:
>
> > >
> > >> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
> >
> > I like this quote:
> >
> > Coleman will not confirm or deny rumors that one of Nickelodeon's
> > strangest series will soon be out on DVD, but does say flat out that
> > there are no plans for Invader Zim to resume production of original
> > episodes.
>
> Wait...but....hasn't Mediablasters already confirmed they've got the
> rights, and have the release sked already up, and..and....
>
> (and I'm still surprised Paramount/Viacom leased the license...I mean, Zim
> was 'troublesome' unlike that market-friendly (or is that marketing?)
> Spongebob....*sigh*)
>
IIRC, a Media Blasters rep said they managed to
convince Nick to license Zim to them as an experiment.
I think if Zim's sales do well, then Nick may be more prone
to license out their cult hits, or even release themselves.
So Zim is the prototype. ;-)
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
> > "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
> > news:bvmd1v$b2q$2...@news-int2.gatech.edu...
> > > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
>
> > > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> > >
> > > I request context.
> >
> > http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
>
> I really wish Fox would just give up on licensing anime. They seem to
> not be able to accomplish anything with what they get their hands on.
Fox has nothing to do with this Tokyo Mew Mew deal.
It's all 4Kids, who leases and runs the Fox Box block.
> The company they hired to deal with Escaflowne cut and patched it to hell
> and back, and Fox also didn't use Slayers correctly. They either need
That would be Saban, who used to run Fox Kids.
> to stop grabbing titles altogether, or fire everyone in the division and
> bring in people that can make these acquisitions work.
It seems you misunderstand how their system works.
There wouldn't be anyone to fire in that division
because that division doesn't exist.
Fox doesn't do these acquisitions themselves.
Fox basically just makes a deal with whoever wants to run
these kiddie blocks (Saban, 4Kids), then pretty much
leaves it out to them on what they want to show
(within their BS&P guidelines of course).
And I doubt 4Kids are about to fire themselves. ;-p
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
>
> "The Eternal Lost Lurker" <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote in message
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> >
> > =+=
> >
> > The Eternal Lost Lurker
> > www.lurkerdrome.com
>
> Remember - you and I aren't the target market. They don't give a shit if we
> like what they do or not. They only want to sell ad time on Saturday
> mornings.
And merchandise licenses.
So unless merchandise producers see a TMM market for grown-ups,
they won't be buying licenses to manufacture
TMM apparel for grown-ups anytime soon. ;-)
>
> I don't even care for "Tokyo Pew Pew", (I'd rather see "Dr. Rin" brought
> over) but it's the approach in general by 4Kids that is offensive.
>
Yeah, but they're only putting to words what's already
being practiced in the real world in the first place. ;p
The Wanderer
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Chika wrote:
>> Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs
>> kids don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
> Maybe he means kids don't care if it's anime or not.
No, I think he means that they do such a complete job of removing or
concealing all Japan-specific elements ("localizing", in their parlance)
that once they're done there's no way to tell it's from Japan.
He appears to think that this is a good thing.
--
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A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them.
Chris Sobieniak
wrote:
>Maybe he means kids don't care if it's anime or
>not. Like the Applejacks cereal, they just like what
>they like. If it looks/tastes good to them, they like
>it. If that "it" happens to be anime, then they like
>it, though they couldn't care less that it's anime.
>They just know they like it. ;-p
Still I thought it tasted like apples! (though I grew up in the
generation that "believed" whatever TV said to us anyway) I do hate the
later Apple Jacks ads that feel they have to go that route.
>As for children's intelligence, explain Spongebob
>being the highest rated children's show on US TV,
>not just cable. Is that what you're looking for? ;-)
>Laters. =)
> Stan
"The whole society's going to Hell in a handbasket" might not be an
overlooked term here. :-)
AstroNerdBoy
Dear ELL,
Now amount of screaming, begging, pleading, or the like will keep us
from raping "Tokyo Mew Mew" to death. Then, we will rape the carcass
repeatedly, aided by the latest in domestication technology. What
makes cartoons from Japan good is our domestication. Otherwise people
will be confused. And besides, we all know that while discrimination
against other races is bad, we feel that discrimination against
Japanese folks is still good.
Thanks for you concern. If we have our way, we will have the license
to all of your favorite Japanese cartoons and will rape them for your
pleasure. And you don't have to thank us because we enjoy it so much.
Sincerly,
Al Kahn
4Kids CEO and Chief Raping Officer
AstroNerdBoy
> In article <b%zTb.183$H82.11...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> The Eternal Lost Lurker <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote:
>
> > "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
> > news:bvmd1v$b2q$2...@news-int2.gatech.edu...
> > > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
> > >
> > > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> > >
> > > I request context.
>
> > http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
>
> Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>
> He obviously doesn't credit children with much intelligence, or else he
> hasn't heard that anime has a following amongst the young. Why else would
> some companies go to such extents as to dress American productions as
> anime, for example Teen Titans? Obviously Kahn is a moron, or at very
> least he has less contact with his audience than is good for a person in
> his line of work, IMO.
Hmmm...this is reminding me of "Battle of the Planets", the 1978 raped
version of "Gatchaman". I guess the only limits on 4Kids licensing
agreements is that they couldn't insert new animation, thus giving the
evil 7-Zark-7 a 2nd life.
The Eternal Lost Lurker
"Chris Sobieniak" <chrism...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:2871-401...@storefull-3134.bay.webtv.net...
>Makes you wish FUNimation had the chance to get this show instead.
FUNimation would do a better job with it, to be sure. Even though they'd
probably have their voice cast pronouncing Ichigo "ITCHY-GO".
They'd also need to hire a few new actresses, because they've got what,
three ladies in the talent pool?
But then, that'd still be preferable to what's likely to happen with
Hollywood Mew Mew.
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"S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <sta...@cif.rochester.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Maybe he means kids don't care if it's anime or not.
Which isn't true.
> If that "it" happens to be anime, then they like it,
> though they couldn't care less that it's anime.
Also not true...
The Eternal Lost Lurker
"Chika" <miy...@spam-no-way.invalid> wrote in message
news:4c7aa1fe...@no.spam.here...
>
> hasn't heard that anime has a following amongst the young. Why else would
> some companies go to such extents as to dress American productions as
> anime, for example Teen Titans? Obviously Kahn is a moron, or at very
> least he has less contact with his audience than is good for a person in
> his line of work, IMO.
He's an ignorant, Japan-hating bastard, is wot he is.
Ethan Hammond
>
> >Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> >don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>
> It's not 1995...
I am in concurrance and I wonder why he thinks it matters if the kids
know it is from Japan or not. Which based on the kids I have talked
to when I worked at Best Buy, they do know.
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Ethan Hammond
> Fox basically just makes a deal with whoever wants to run
> these kiddie blocks (Saban, 4Kids), then pretty much
> leaves it out to them on what they want to show
> (within their BS&P guidelines of course).
> And I doubt 4Kids are about to fire themselves. ;-p
So does 4Kids get anything out of it besides putting
the shows on the air? Do they get any advertising
revenue or any other perks?
Ethan Hammond
>
> Thanks for you concern. If we have our way, we will have the license
> to all of your favorite Japanese cartoons and will rape them for your
> pleasure. And you don't have to thank us because we enjoy it so much.
Good times, good times.
AstroNerdBoy
Um...that should have bee "No amount..." Bloody keayboardd...yeaha,
thast' the ticket. *shakes head*
Megane
sp...@astronerdboy.com (AstroNerdBoy) wrote:
The spaying! You forgot to mention the spaying!
cuteswan
> Surprised "Saturday Morning" still exist in America these days. Nothing
> like it was in the 80s mind you, but close.
Hmm, we need a new version of "SuperFriends" with Sailor Moon, Astroboy,
Mew Mew Strawberry, Dr. Rin, Tsubasa/Hikaru (Figure 17), and Yuri (Alien
9). For the sidekicks, we'd have TAKINO Tomo (Azumanga Daioh), Kuu
(recently graduated from Haibane Renmei), and the animal would be Ebichu.
;)
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> Fox has nothing to do with this Tokyo Mew Mew deal.
> It's all 4Kids, who leases and runs the Fox Box block.
>
> It seems you misunderstand how their system works.
> There wouldn't be anyone to fire in that division
> because that division doesn't exist.
>
> Fox doesn't do these acquisitions themselves.
> Fox basically just makes a deal with whoever wants to run
> these kiddie blocks (Saban, 4Kids), then pretty much
> leaves it out to them on what they want to show
> (within their BS&P guidelines of course).
> And I doubt 4Kids are about to fire themselves. ;-p
I figured I probably didn't have the system down correctly. But when
_two_ shows with built-in fan bases can't succeed on a broadcast
network, one might start to think that Fox is jinxed when it comes to
running anime. At the very least, they've got bad luck with it, and
might want to consider very carefully who they bring in to run their
cartoon programming blocks. Saban was obviously a bad choice (see their
Sailor Moon concept), and 4Kids sounds like it doesn't have many fans
of their work either.
-Matt/Pickle/Jew-Pac
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> "The Eternal Lost Lurker" <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote in message
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Thanks a lot for the absolute sincerity, Al Kahn.
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Chris Sobieniak
(AstroNerdBoy) wrote:
>Hmmm...this is reminding me of "Battle of the
>Planets", the 1978 raped version of "Gatchaman".
>I guess the only limits on 4Kids licensing
>agreements is that they couldn't insert new
>animation, thus giving the evil 7-Zark-7 a 2nd life.
Heh, I had that same feeling going through my head as well.
Chris Sobieniak
(The Eternal Lost Lurker) wrote:
>"Chris Sobieniak" <chrism...@webtv.net> wrote
>in message
>news:2871-401...@storefull-3134.bay.we>btv.net...
>>Makes you wish FUNimation had the chance to
>>get this show instead.
>FUNimation would do a better job with it, to be
>sure. Even though they'd probably have their voice
>cast pronouncing Ichigo "ITCHY-GO".
There's always going to be those sacrifices. Sure they probably
wouldn't be able to get it on TV, at least they care enough to release
it on video (still think "Fruits Basket" could work on some feminine
network or so).
>They'd also need to hire a few new actresses,
>because they've got what, three ladies in the talent
>pool?
Wonder what kind of talent is left in the Ft. Worth/Dallas area?
>But then, that'd still be preferable to what's likely
>to happen with Hollywood Mew Mew.
Really!
Chris Sobieniak
(Ethan Hammond) wrote:
>I am in concurrance and I wonder why he thinks it
>matters if the kids know it is from Japan or not.
>Which based on the kids I have talked to when I
>worked at Best Buy, they do know.
I assume this probably varys from town to town over what kids do know.
In my city, the kids I do happen to meet and talk to sometimes know it,
but they tend to aqaute it to what they do see on TV like Pokemon, DBZ,
etc. (being too small to buy tapes at the store and all) Some tend to
be rather clueless when I bring out an issue of "Shonen Jump", since
they haven't seen it before. Would've felt the infiltration of
anime/manga would be at an all-time high by now, but perhaps not for the
10 and under set.
5parrow
>
> Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>
I cannot believe this man's jingoism. He sounds like a villian straight
out of a (conjectural) sequel to Otaku no Video.
Where'd you get the quote?
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Shez
way.invalid> said:
>> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
>
>Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
>don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
The trouble is that for most broadcasters anime is nothing to do with
culture, it's simply a way of making TV shows on the cheap, the same as
companies outsourcing their call centres to India but telling the
Indians to speak in English accents and pretend they're from Britain (or
the US or wherever the client company is). Buying anime is simply the
next step down the line from having your Simpsons cartoons animated in
Korea. The important thing is to conceal from your audience that the tv
show they're watching was made by dirty heathen foreigners.
-Shez.
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AstroNerdBoy <sp...@astronerdboy.com> wrote:
> Hmmm...this is reminding me of "Battle of the Planets", the 1978 raped
> version of "Gatchaman". I guess the only limits on 4Kids licensing
> agreements is that they couldn't insert new animation, thus giving the
> evil 7-Zark-7 a 2nd life.
Name the devil not! I have some episodes from BotP on DVD, so I have
reminded myself exactly how bad Zark, Rover and Susan get. What really
shows it up are the few Zark clips where a member of the team visits. Not
good!
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Chika
Shez <UseRepl...@nospam.invalid.uk> wrote:
> In the faraway land of rec.arts.anime.misc, Chika <miyuki@spam-no-
> way.invalid> said:
> >> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
> >
> >Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> >don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
> The trouble is that for most broadcasters anime is nothing to do with
> culture, it's simply a way of making TV shows on the cheap, the same as
> companies outsourcing their call centres to India but telling the
> Indians to speak in English accents and pretend they're from Britain (or
> the US or wherever the client company is).
True, but then by masking off the origin, they still incur the extra cost.
Like I said before, when other shows are being shown in original format,
and some American product is apeing anime production values, this extra
cost seems like extravagance.
> Buying anime is simply the next step down the line from having your
> Simpsons cartoons animated in Korea. The important thing is to conceal
> from your audience that the tv show they're watching was made by dirty
> heathen foreigners.
And if this really is the case, all it does is shows up folk like this
particular guy not just as out of touch or misguided, but as a total
bigot. Not good.
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// \// The second ZFC coming <crashnet.org.uk/zedeffcee>
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Chika
5parrow <mail....@gtg692n.edu> wrote:
> Chika wrote:
> >
> > Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> > don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
> >
> I cannot believe this man's jingoism. He sounds like a villian straight
> out of a (conjectural) sequel to Otaku no Video.
> Where'd you get the quote?
The quote was part of the report. See
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584 towards the bottom of
the first paragraph. It's followed by the quote "Kahn stated that he felt
that labels such as 'anime' are for adults and mean nothing to children."
This guy appears to be able to give Carl Macek a run for his ego!
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Andrew Hollingbury
>On Tue, Feb 3, 2004, 9:39am (EST+5), esha...@worldnet.att.net
>(Ethan Hammond) wrote:
>>I am in concurrance and I wonder why he thinks it
>>matters if the kids know it is from Japan or not.
>>Which based on the kids I have talked to when I
>>worked at Best Buy, they do know.
>
>I assume this probably varys from town to town over what kids do know.
>In my city, the kids I do happen to meet and talk to sometimes know it,
>but they tend to aqaute it to what they do see on TV like Pokemon, DBZ,
>etc. (being too small to buy tapes at the store and all)
They're still anime - just because it's the hardcore position to look down
on them doesn't mean they're not anime ^_^
Andrew H
Chris Sobieniak
wrote:
>In article
><7e562e8e.04020...@posting.googl>e.com>, AstroNerdBoy
><sp...@astronerdboy.com> wrote:
>>Hmmm...this is reminding me of "Battle of the
>>Planets", the 1978 raped version of "Gatchaman".
>>I guess the only limits on 4Kids licensing
>>agreements is that they couldn't insert new
>>animation, thus giving the evil 7-Zark-7 a 2nd life.
>Name the devil not!
God no!!!
>I have some episodes from BotP on DVD, so I
>have reminded myself exactly how bad Zark, Rover
>and Susan get.
Still Susan's lines are rather quite sexy! At times it makes me wanna
think that the "phosdic" is the male robot equivilent to an animal
penis. I can't believe they got away with such innuendo at 4PM on
channel 24!
>What really shows it up are the few Zark clips
>where a member of the team visits. Not good!
>--
> //\ // Chika
Don't forget the Ready Room sequences! Much worse than that! They all
are cycling the same routines while talking, never breaking out of it to
do something else (like LEAVE!). ^_^
5parrow
> In article <bvoktr$m2a$1...@news-int.gatech.edu>,
> 5parrow <mail....@gtg692n.edu> wrote:
>>Chika wrote:
>>>Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
>>>don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>>I cannot believe this man's jingoism. He sounds like a villian straight
>>out of a (conjectural) sequel to Otaku no Video.
>>Where'd you get the quote?
> The quote was part of the report. See
> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584 towards the bottom of
> the first paragraph.
Ah.
> It's followed by the quote "Kahn stated that he felt
> that labels such as 'anime' are for adults and mean nothing to children."
Labels are labels, but covering over the entire origin of a series is
something totally other...
> This guy appears to be able to give Carl Macek a run for his ego!
Naw, Macek had the excuse of living in an age where virtually no one
Stateside knew what anime was. This guy's ego is worse.
I still think Kahn sounds like a stereotypical villian in that quote...
all you need to add is evil laughter at the end of it.
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
>
> "S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <sta...@cif.rochester.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.GSO.4.58.0402030001340.5104@roundtable...
> >
> > Maybe he means kids don't care if it's anime or not.
>
> Which isn't true.
>
> > If that "it" happens to be anime, then they like it,
> > though they couldn't care less that it's anime.
>
> Also not true...
>
True here. I take care of kids a lot
and thus get to hang out with them and their friends.
They couldn't care less if it's anime.
They just like what they like, anime or not.
They don't particularly go out of their way
to look for anime neither.
They just want "cartoons," wherever it's from.
Anime to them is just a term for cartoons from Japan.
My anime DVDs displayed on shelves are nothing special to them.
Laters. =)
Stan
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S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> "S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <sta...@cif.rochester.edu> wrote in message
> >
> > Fox doesn't do these acquisitions themselves.
> > Fox basically just makes a deal with whoever wants to run
> > these kiddie blocks (Saban, 4Kids), then pretty much
> > leaves it out to them on what they want to show
> > (within their BS&P guidelines of course).
> > And I doubt 4Kids are about to fire themselves. ;-p
>
> So does 4Kids get anything out of it besides putting
> the shows on the air? Do they get any advertising
> revenue or any other perks?
>
Yes, as lessee, they are responsible for their own ratings
and thus get to charge ad rates.
They also earn revenue from merchandise licenses
based on their shows.
So, the more popular they can make their shows,
the more the ad rates and the licenses are worth.
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> No puedes tocar esto, S.t.A.n.L.e.E!
>
> >
> > Fox doesn't do these acquisitions themselves.
> > Fox basically just makes a deal with whoever wants to run
> > these kiddie blocks (Saban, 4Kids), then pretty much
> > leaves it out to them on what they want to show
> > (within their BS&P guidelines of course).
> > And I doubt 4Kids are about to fire themselves. ;-p
>
> I figured I probably didn't have the system down correctly. But when
> _two_ shows with built-in fan bases can't succeed on a broadcast
> network, one might start to think that Fox is jinxed when it comes to
> running anime. At the very least, they've got bad luck with it, and
> might want to consider very carefully who they bring in to run their
> cartoon programming blocks. Saban was obviously a bad choice (see their
> Sailor Moon concept), and 4Kids sounds like it doesn't have many fans
> of their work either.
>
Well, 4Kids is doing OK.
(I forgot their exact 2003 earnings report,
but I do recall they earned a modest profit.)
They're not blazing the ratings or anything,
but they're so far surviving.
Anime doesn't cost them too much to produce (just ADR),
so they save their money that way, by filling their block
with anime along with one or two domestic shows.
And they're still earning a lot from Pokemon and Yugioh licenses.
So, their base is steady enough to build up from,
as they try to establish their brand and inventory stock.
That means they won't be a fly-by-night operation for awhile.
Fox already gets paid rent no matter what 4Kids does.
Fox Kids was more a split Fox/Saban operation,
but Fox Box is guaranteed rent money for Fox.
So Fox doesn't really care too much about it.
Antonio E. Gonzalez
>Date: 2/3/2004 3:14 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <bvp9uo$mjm$1...@news-int2.gatech.edu>
>
>Chika wrote:
>> In article <bvoktr$m2a$1...@news-int.gatech.edu>,
>> 5parrow <mail....@gtg692n.edu> wrote:
>>>Chika wrote:
>>>>Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
>>>>don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>>>I cannot believe this man's jingoism. He sounds like a villian straight
>>>out of a (conjectural) sequel to Otaku no Video.
>>>Where'd you get the quote?
>> The quote was part of the report. See
>> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584 towards the bottom of
>> the first paragraph.
>
>Ah.
>
> > It's followed by the quote "Kahn stated that he felt
>> that labels such as 'anime' are for adults and mean nothing to children."
>
>Labels are labels, but covering over the entire origin of a series is
>something totally other...
>
>> This guy appears to be able to give Carl Macek a run for his ego!
>
>Naw, Macek had the excuse of living in an age where virtually no one
>Stateside knew what anime was. This guy's ego is worse.
>
>I still think Kahn sounds like a stereotypical villian in that quote...
>all you need to add is evil laughter at the end of it.
>
So . . . who will be the James Bond that will finish him off?
- Vaughner
- "Well, thanks to the internet, I'm bored with sex."
- Philip J. Fry, "Futurama"
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> In article <7e562e8e.04020...@posting.google.com>,
> sp...@astronerdboy.com (AstroNerdBoy) wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear ELL,
> >
> > Now amount of screaming, begging, pleading, or the like will keep us
> > from raping "Tokyo Mew Mew" to death. Then, we will rape the carcass
> > repeatedly, aided by the latest in domestication technology. What
> > makes cartoons from Japan good is our domestication. Otherwise people
Damn repeating, ANB! It's lo-ca-li-za-tion! ;p
> > will be confused. And besides, we all know that while discrimination
> > against other races is bad, we feel that discrimination against
> > Japanese folks is still good.
"We're not racists! We hate everybody equally!
We don't even like the Frog cowards;
that's why we didn't even consider Paris Mew Mew!" ^_^
>
> The spaying! You forgot to mention the spaying!
>
Damn right! Don't forget your domesticated pets, folks! ^_^
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> Chika <miy...@spam-no-way.invalid> wrote in message news:<4c7aa1fe...@no.spam.here>...
> > In article <b%zTb.183$H82.11...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> > The Eternal Lost Lurker <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
> >
> > Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> > don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
> >
> > He obviously doesn't credit children with much intelligence, or else he
> > hasn't heard that anime has a following amongst the young. Why else would
> > some companies go to such extents as to dress American productions as
> > anime, for example Teen Titans? Obviously Kahn is a moron, or at very
> > least he has less contact with his audience than is good for a person in
> > his line of work, IMO.
>
> Hmmm...this is reminding me of "Battle of the Planets", the 1978 raped
> version of "Gatchaman". I guess the only limits on 4Kids licensing
> agreements is that they couldn't insert new animation, thus giving the
> evil 7-Zark-7 a 2nd life.
>
Maybe you haven't heard of one of the Pokemon movies? ^_^
(IIRC, they commissioned new animation to be suffixed.)
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> In article <0+PnMKBK...@zerex.nospam.co.uk>,
> Shez <UseRepl...@nospam.invalid.uk> wrote:
> > In the faraway land of rec.arts.anime.misc, Chika <miyuki@spam-no-
> > way.invalid> said:
> > >> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
> > >
> > >Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> > >don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>
> > The trouble is that for most broadcasters anime is nothing to do with
> > culture, it's simply a way of making TV shows on the cheap, the same as
> > companies outsourcing their call centres to India but telling the
> > Indians to speak in English accents and pretend they're from Britain (or
> > the US or wherever the client company is).
>
> True, but then by masking off the origin, they still incur the extra cost.
>
Not if it only involves dubbing tweaks (or just leaving it out)
and minor editing, both of which they'd have to do anyway.
We're not talking Power Rangers here,
where they re-shoot scenes locally.
Lord Craxton
"Chika" <miy...@spam-no-way.invalid> wrote in message
news:4c7aa1fe...@no.spam.here...
> In article <b%zTb.183$H82.11...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> The Eternal Lost Lurker <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote:
>
> > news:bvmd1v$b2q$2...@news-int2.gatech.edu...
> > > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
> > >
> > > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> > >
> > > I request context.
>
> > http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
>
> Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>
> hasn't heard that anime has a following amongst the young. Why else would
> some companies go to such extents as to dress American productions as
> anime, for example Teen Titans? Obviously Kahn is a moron, or at very
> least he has less contact with his audience than is good for a person in
> his line of work, IMO.
>
When I used to see anime on Nickelodeon way back when, I hadn't the
slightest idea it was from a foreign country- I recognized the
similiarities, but I thought it was that they were all from the same studio,
like Loony Toons or something.
-Lord Craxton
Ethan Hammond
Ethan Hammond
>
> The spaying! You forgot to mention the spaying!
That's good advice. Abstinance is the only way to prevent the
feline AIDS.
Lord Craxton
"The Wanderer" <inverse...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:yuKdnft_Q9G...@comcast.com...
> S.t.A.n.L.e.E wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Chika wrote:
>
> >> Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs
> >> kids don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>
>
> concealing all Japan-specific elements ("localizing", in their parlance)
> that once they're done there's no way to tell it's from Japan.
>
> He appears to think that this is a good thing.
>
You can make a case that it is. Art, by it's very nature, is meant to be
communicative, and part of that communication is knowing how to speak to
your audience. This is why we look at films from back in the fourties and
call them racist, sexist, insensitive to foreign cultures, etc. It can be
argued that the aim of proper localization is to erase or transcend cultural
boundaries so that the audience can see the message, rather then the surface
cultural differences.
-Lord Craxton
Ethan Hammond
endorsement from Al Gore!!!! WOOP DEE
DOOP DEE DOO!!!!
Ethan Hammond
>
> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584 towards the bottom of
> the first paragraph. It's followed by the quote "Kahn stated that he felt
> that labels such as 'anime' are for adults and mean nothing to children."
>
> This guy appears to be able to give Carl Macek a run for his ego!
But does he have Joementum?
Ethan Hammond
> and thus get to charge ad rates.
> They also earn revenue from merchandise licenses
> based on their shows.
> So, the more popular they can make their shows,
> the more the ad rates and the licenses are worth.
Aha now I see how it is different from syndication.
The Eternal Lost Lurker
"Ethan Hammond" <esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:xqYTb.52448$6O4.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> I know what to do. Start an online petition. *THUMBS UP*
You do that, Ethan. The rest of us will be physically mailing real
paper-and-ink letters to 4Kids.
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ELL>paper-and-ink letters to 4Kids.
And you expect them to take seriously grown men who watch this show
which, at least by their reckoning, is a show for little girls?
Arthur Levesque
AstroNerdBoy>1978 raped version of "Gatchaman".
You people really need to stop throwing around the word "rape" so
lightly.
Abraham Evangelista (afedaken)
Gonzalez) wrote:
>>From: 5parrow mail....@gtg692n.edu
>>>>Chika wrote:
>>>>>Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
>>>>>don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>>I still think Kahn sounds like a stereotypical villian in that quote...
>>all you need to add is evil laughter at the end of it.
>>
>
> So . . . who will be the James Bond that will finish him off?
>
>
> - Vaughner
>
If there's any justice, the Blue Knight will do the job. :-) He's
bishie enough for the role. :-)
Vince Lamb
> "The Eternal Lost Lurker" <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote in message
> news:k6wTb.157$F75.97...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
> > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg> Remember - you and I aren't the target market. They don't give a shit if we
> like what they do or not. They only want to sell ad time on Saturday
> mornings.
I wonder if the stated "non-distribution after licensing" disclaimers
for fansubs will be as effective for Tokyo Mew Mew as it's supposed to
be for other shows when word of this gets out.
> I don't even care for "Tokyo Pew Pew", (I'd rather see "Dr. Rin" brought
> over) but it's the approach in general by 4Kids that is offensive.
And to think I was actually looking forward to watching Tokyo Mew Mew
with my daughter, who is an avid reader of the manga, when it was
licensed.
> Good work anyway -
Same here.
> Dave Baranyi
Vince "Professor Plum" Lamb
"Washuu has crabs!"
Lord Craxton
"Arthur Levesque" <b...@boog.orgy> wrote in message
news:La_Tb.464$CE5...@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
> AstroNerdBoy>Hmmm...this is reminding me of "Battle of the Planets", the
> AstroNerdBoy>1978 raped version of "Gatchaman".
>
> You people really need to stop throwing around the word "rape" so
> lightly.
I quite agree, and I'll add that "butchery" is also used too frivolously.
-Lord Craxton
AstroNerdBoy
> "AstroNerdBoy" <sp...@astronerdboy.com> wrote in message
> >
> > Thanks for you concern. If we have our way, we will have the license
> > to all of your favorite Japanese cartoons and will rape them for your
> > pleasure. And you don't have to thank us because we enjoy it so much.
>
> Good times, good times.
Yeah, I thought so.
The Eternal Lost Lurker
"Arthur Levesque" <b...@boog.orgy> wrote in message
> ELL>You do that, Ethan. The rest of us will be physically mailing real
> ELL>paper-and-ink letters to 4Kids.
>
> And you expect them to take seriously grown men who watch this show
> which, at least by their reckoning, is a show for little girls?
And precisely whom REALLY purchases the merchandise?
5parrow
>>I still think Kahn sounds like a stereotypical villian in that quote...
>>all you need to add is evil laughter at the end of it.
>>
>
>
> So . . . who will be the James Bond that will finish him off?
>
Kubo, of course ^_^
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> S.t.A.n.L.e.E>Anime to them is just a term for cartoons from Japan.
>
> That is what anime is.
> --
Yep.
It just doesn't have any more special signficance to them.
To us, it does.
Chibi-Light
<os...@raspberry.hv> wrote:
>
>"Arthur Levesque" <b...@boog.orgy> wrote in message
>news:V9_Tb.463$CE5...@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
>> ELL>You do that, Ethan. The rest of us will be physically mailing real
>> ELL>paper-and-ink letters to 4Kids.
>>
>> And you expect them to take seriously grown men who watch this show
>> which, at least by their reckoning, is a show for little girls?
>
>And precisely whom REALLY purchases the merchandise?
That would be parents.
CL
Jule
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2004, 10:25pm (EST+5), miy...@spam-no-way.invalid (Chika)
> wrote:
> >>http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id>>=4584
> >localize the programs kids don't even know they're
> >from Japan anymore."
>
Surprised?
>
> >He obviously doesn't credit children with much
> >intelligence, or else he hasn't heard that anime has
> >a following amongst the young.
>
> I pick the first.
It doesn't seem like a smart thing to say either way.
8-Bit Star
> You can make a case that it is. Art, by it's very nature, is meant to be
> communicative, and part of that communication is knowing how to speak to
> your audience. This is why we look at films from back in the fourties and
> call them racist, sexist, insensitive to foreign cultures, etc. It can be
> argued that the aim of proper localization is to erase or transcend cultural
> boundaries so that the audience can see the message, rather then the surface
> cultural differences.
It's odd that these "Cultural differences" have never hampered our
understanding
and enjoyment of anime before. Quite the opposite, actually. In fact
American
products often incorperate foreign (often oriental) elements into
their storylines just for this purpose. Star Wars, The Karate Kid,
Teenage Mutant
Ninja Turtles...
In any case, what 4Kids is doing is NOT "transcending cultural
boundaries."
In fact, it's quite the opposite.
8-Bit Star
I agree. There's a more accurate term: "bowdlerization."
Ethan Hammond
>
> > I know what to do. Start an online petition. *THUMBS UP*
>
> You do that, Ethan. The rest of us will be physically mailing real
> paper-and-ink letters to 4Kids.
The rest of us meaning you by yourself. Make sure to tell
them how old you are in the letters to add to your credibility.
Ethan Hammond
>
> >> And you expect them to take seriously grown men who watch this
show
> >> which, at least by their reckoning, is a show for little girls?
> >
> >And precisely whom REALLY purchases the merchandise?
>
> That would be parents.
But then you have to say, why do they purchase it.
Ethan Hammond
>
>
> That is what anime is.
Well actually anime is just the Japanese word for animation.
What it is!!!! ^_-
Blade
news:4c7b18f4...@no.spam.here:
> In article <bvoktr$m2a$1...@news-int.gatech.edu>,
> 5parrow <mail....@gtg692n.edu> wrote:
>> Chika wrote:
>> >
>> > Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the
>> > programs kids don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>> >
>
>> I cannot believe this man's jingoism. He sounds like a villian
>> straight out of a (conjectural) sequel to Otaku no Video.
>
>> Where'd you get the quote?
>
> The quote was part of the report. See
> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584 towards the
> bottom of the first paragraph. It's followed by the quote "Kahn
> stated that he felt that labels such as 'anime' are for adults and
> mean nothing to children."
>
> This guy appears to be able to give Carl Macek a run for his ego!
The fact that he's perfectly correct means nothing, I suppose.
And Tokyo Mew Mew is a kid's show. It makes sense that they're packaging
it for kids. Just like Pokemon, and Digimon (despite how many older fans
like it), and Yu-Gi-Oh, and Medabots (despite how many older fans, or at
least me, like it).
Blade
*******
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It Somewhere"
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http://www.bladeandepsilon.com/kaliashrine.htm
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>
> "Arthur Levesque" <b...@boog.orgy> wrote in message
> news:V9_Tb.463$CE5...@nwrddc03.gnilink.net...
>> ELL>You do that, Ethan. The rest of us will be physically mailing
>> real ELL>paper-and-ink letters to 4Kids.
>>
>> And you expect them to take seriously grown men who watch this
>> show
>> which, at least by their reckoning, is a show for little girls?
>
> And precisely whom REALLY purchases the merchandise?
That really depends, doesn't it?
If it's like Sailor Moon or DBZ, kids.
If it's like most anime on TV, nobody.
Blade
Also, "fascist". (Or "facist", in this thread.) Also, "censorship".
Also, "bigotry". Also, quite a few other fanboy buzzwords.
Galen Musbach
wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:25:13 +0000 (GMT), Chika
><miy...@spam-no-way.invalid> wrote:
>
>>In article <b%zTb.183$H82.11...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
>> The Eternal Lost Lurker <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote:
>>
>>> "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
>>> news:bvmd1v$b2q$2...@news-int2.gatech.edu...
>>> > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
>>> >
>>> > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
>>> >
>>> > I request context.
>>
>>> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
>
>I like this quote:
>
>Coleman will not confirm or deny rumors that one of Nickelodeon’s
>strangest series will soon be out on DVD, but does say flat out that
>there are no plans for Invader Zim to resume production of original
>episodes.
>
>-Galen
Invader Zim DVD 1 (D)
Age Rating - 13+
Date Available - May 11 2004
Format - Dubbed in English
Media - DVD
Product Availability - Preorder - Not Yet Shipping
Publisher - MEDIA BLASTERS
Retail Price: $24.95
Item: awdvd0417
-Galen
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
> "Chibi-Light" <chibiw...@YUM-SPAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > >> And you expect them to take seriously grown men who watch this
> show
> > >> which, at least by their reckoning, is a show for little girls?
> > >
> > >And precisely whom REALLY purchases the merchandise?
> >
> > That would be parents.
>
> But then you have to say, why do they purchase it.
>
Though technically, parents are supposed to watch
the show with their kids (which people here advocate).
So if parents find a show objectionable,
they're (supposed to) not gonna buy its toys.
Isn't that parenting (and the root of edits)?
Wouldn't it be better w/o it but buy whatever kids say? ;)
Ethan Hammond
>
> Though technically, parents are supposed to watch
> the show with their kids (which people here advocate).
> So if parents find a show objectionable,
> they're (supposed to) not gonna buy its toys.
> Isn't that parenting (and the root of edits)?
> Wouldn't it be better w/o it but buy whatever kids say? ;)
The more you know.
Chibi-Light
<esha...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>"The Eternal Lost Lurker" <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote in message
>>
>> > I know what to do. Start an online petition. *THUMBS UP*
>>
>> You do that, Ethan. The rest of us will be physically mailing real
>> paper-and-ink letters to 4Kids.
>
>The rest of us meaning you by yourself. Make sure to tell
>them how old you are in the letters to add to your credibility.
And anime fans wonder why we're looked down upon by other nerds and
geeks.
CL
Arthur Levesque
Chibi-Light>nerds and geeks.
I don't wonder. I look down on several of you myself.
Chibi-Light
wrote:
>Chibi-Light>And anime fans wonder why we're looked down upon by other
>Chibi-Light>nerds and geeks.
>
> I don't wonder. I look down on several of you myself.
LOL. Good answer!
CL
Lord Craxton
"8-Bit Star" <nes_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4327cb6c.04020...@posting.google.com...
That's because we've seen enough to be used to the cultural differences, or,
to take a more cynical view, because we don't give a flark about meaning and
are interested specifically in the differences, like carnival-goers gawking
at the sideshow.
> In any case, what 4Kids is doing is NOT "transcending cultural
> boundaries."
> In fact, it's quite the opposite.
I know bridging boundaries between cultures isn't their top priority, but
how do you figure it's the exact opposite? 0_o;;;;;;
And hey, where were you when I called for you? These n00bs STILL need
training if they're going to get anywhere...
-Lord Craxton
Ethan Hammond
> >them how old you are in the letters to add to your credibility.
>
> And anime fans wonder why we're looked down upon by other nerds and
> geeks.
We are? I shake my fist at all who look down at Ethan!!!!
I think live action role players are looked down upon the
most though.
The Eternal Lost Lurker
> > And anime fans wonder why we're looked down upon by other nerds and
> > geeks.
>
> We are? I shake my fist at all who look down at Ethan!!!!
> I think live action role players are looked down upon the
> most though.
You're half-right. The group that's looked down on ABSOLUTELY the most are
VLARPers. God, the complaints I've heard from A-Kon attendees about the
VLARPers inflicting their roleplay on people who just didn't want to be
involved...
Chika
Arthur Levesque <b...@boog.orgy> wrote:
> Chibi-Light>And anime fans wonder why we're looked down upon by other
> Chibi-Light>nerds and geeks.
> I don't wonder. I look down on several of you myself.
So it seems. Now get off that chair so I can clean it!
--
//\ // Chika <zvl...@penfuarg.bet.hx. - ROT13>
// \// The second ZFC coming <crashnet.org.uk/zedeffcee>
... Every little BYTE helps
Dale
> In article <b%zTb.183$H82.11...@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
> The Eternal Lost Lurker <os...@raspberry.hv> wrote:
>
> > "Hubius Maximus" <pic...@gehennom.net> wrote in message
> > news:bvmd1v$b2q$2...@news-int2.gatech.edu...
> > > No puedes tocar esto, The Eternal Lost Lurker!
> > >
> > > > http://www.lurkerdrome.com/image/4kidsopenletter.jpg
> > >
> > > I request context.
>
> > http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
>
> don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>
> some companies go to such extents as to dress American productions as
> anime, for example Teen Titans? Obviously Kahn is a moron, or at very
> least he has less contact with his audience than is good for a person in
> his line of work, IMO.
You know stuff like this has appeared on this newsgroup and many other
newsgroups time and time again. Some company acquires the rights to an
anime, comic book, book or something else and then massacres it. Fans
go on a rant and rave about how Hollywood types aren't very
intelligent, arrogant, underestimate the audiences inteligence, etc.
However the Industry people are still six and seven figure salaries
plus benefits, while we just type away on the Net with our complaints.
They must be doing something right. Otherwise their changes would
cause something to loss money and they would loose their jobs. I think
that the fandom community seriously underestimates the buisness acumen
of the powerplayers and decision makers in Hollywood. They have one
responsibility: to generate profit and they seem to do a good job at
it.
Dale
> wrote:
> >Maybe he means kids don't care if it's anime or
> >not. Like the Applejacks cereal, they just like what
> >they like. If it looks/tastes good to them, they like
> >it. If that "it" happens to be anime, then they like
> >it, though they couldn't care less that it's anime.
> >They just know they like it. ;-p
>
> Still I thought it tasted like apples! (though I grew up in the
> generation that "believed" whatever TV said to us anyway) I do hate the
> later Apple Jacks ads that feel they have to go that route.
>
I never ate Applejacks that much. My parents rarely allowed sugar
cereals into the house and my favorite was Corn Pops anyway. Still I
like the newer Applejacks ads. I like the way the gently poke fun at
the way adults don't understand the zen of kid logic ("It is because
it is")The on-line comic stip Ozy and Millie once had a strip where
the punchline was "I never knew that stupidity was so Zen" This
happened after a popular kid explained something is cool because it is
cool, no other reason is needed. I am amused by that sort of reasoning
in popularity.
Dale
> In article <0+PnMKBK...@zerex.nospam.co.uk>,
> Shez <UseRepl...@nospam.invalid.uk> wrote:
> > In the faraway land of rec.arts.anime.misc, Chika <miyuki@spam-no-
> > way.invalid> said:
> > >> http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/article.php?id=4584
> > >
> > >Quoth Al Kahn, CEO of 4Kids; "By the time we localize the programs kids
> > >don't even know they're from Japan anymore."
>
> > culture, it's simply a way of making TV shows on the cheap, the same as
> > companies outsourcing their call centres to India but telling the
> > Indians to speak in English accents and pretend they're from Britain (or
> > the US or wherever the client company is).
>
> True, but then by masking off the origin, they still incur the extra cost.
> Like I said before, when other shows are being shown in original format,
> and some American product is apeing anime production values, this extra
> cost seems like extravagance.
>
> > Buying anime is simply the next step down the line from having your
> > Simpsons cartoons animated in Korea. The important thing is to conceal
> > from your audience that the tv show they're watching was made by dirty
> > heathen foreigners.
>
> And if this really is the case, all it does is shows up folk like this
> particular guy not just as out of touch or misguided, but as a total
> bigot. Not good.
I don't think is being a bigot, just a buisnessman. I think he is
being a condescending, culturally insenstitive buisnessman but it
isn't intentional racism because he hates Japanese people. If the show
was named London Mew Mew or Paris Mew Mew, he would probably try to
change the location as well. He wants the kids to be able to relate to
the show more and he thinks that changing the location would do that.
I will say it again, he makes lots of money putting anime on TV and we
don't. If fans ran the anime on TV Market, it would not make any money
because it would end up being aired in raw Japanese because we
couldn't agree on the subtitle translations. We are fans, we bitch and
moan about shows not being treated properly. He is a buisnessman, he
cares about making money not pleasing the Otaku.
Obviously the Japanese creators don't care much about the localization
because they got a nice, big sum on of money.
8-Bit Star
I think it's just that some of us find foreign cultures interesting, and that's
why shows like Jonny Quest almost never stay in America.
>
> > In any case, what 4Kids is doing is NOT "transcending cultural
> > boundaries."
> > In fact, it's quite the opposite.
>
> I know bridging boundaries between cultures isn't their top priority, but
> how do you figure it's the exact opposite? 0_o;;;;;;
"Transcending" cultural boundaries would mean the message gets through
DESPITE the foreign barrier--like how Star Trek spoke on the issues of
the day despite taking place centuries in the future and in a society
far removed from our own. 4Kids simplifies the message by pretending
the barrier doesn't exist (yet they keep a main character with an
obviously Japanese name...)
> And hey, where were you when I called for you? These n00bs STILL need
> training if they're going to get anywhere...
... Excuse me?
Lord Craxton
The thing about that is, though, if you're watching just for the cultural
stuff, you're missing the message. Or, at best, the message has become
secondary.
> >
> > > In any case, what 4Kids is doing is NOT "transcending cultural
> > > boundaries."
> > > In fact, it's quite the opposite.
> >
> > I know bridging boundaries between cultures isn't their top priority,
but
> > how do you figure it's the exact opposite? 0_o;;;;;;
>
> "Transcending" cultural boundaries would mean the message gets through
> DESPITE the foreign barrier--like how Star Trek spoke on the issues of
> the day despite taking place centuries in the future and in a society
> far removed from our own. 4Kids simplifies the message by pretending
> the barrier doesn't exist (yet they keep a main character with an
> obviously Japanese name...)
>
Alright, that's a fair assertion. Art should be universal. But, assuming
that it fails to be thus, is it better to preserve the surface details
instead of the message, or vice-versa?
> > And hey, where were you when I called for you? These n00bs STILL need
> > training if they're going to get anywhere...
>
> ... Excuse me?
Damnation! Do I have to do EVERYTHING around here?! >_<
-------
> In case you haven't noticed, we've been complaining about quite a great
deal
> more than that. But, wait, I'm sorry. I forgot. The only reason you're
> bothering to post here at all is because you want to start a fight with
me,
> and don't particularly care what it's over, and so can't be arsed to delve
> into all the details.
>
There ARE no details. That's the point. There was plenty of details in that
press release worth getting mad at: 4Kids' head honcho talked about seeing
his properties as merchandizing jump-offs, about localizing until the
culturally-specific aspects disappear, about ignoring mature demographics in
favor of younger ones, and so on, and everyone's fixated on "OMG THEY
CHANGED THE TITLE! BUTCHERS! BUTCHERS! BUTCHERS!" Jesus Christ, don't you
people know how to stir things up anymore? 8-BIT STAR! Dust off your R. Lee
Emry impression and get over here, these n00bs need to be taught how to act
like purists!
--------
-Lord Craxton
Chris Sobieniak
>chrism...@webtv.net (Chris Sobieniak) wrote in
>message
>news:<2871-401...@storefull-3134.bay.we>btv.net>...
>>up in the generation that "believed" whatever TV
>>said to us anyway) I do hate the later Apple
>>Jacks ads that feel they have to go that route.
>I never ate Applejacks that much. My parents
>rarely allowed sugar cereals into the house and my
>favorite was Corn Pops anyway.
I luckily grew up in a family that tolerated so-called "low sugar"
varieties. While I hated Cherrios and Corn Flakes, I did however pour
extra sugar on my soggy Life (I liked it that way), and took a long time
to pour milk on Rice Krispies (to hear them sing their song!), and I
also had Fruit Loops and Lucky Charms which was the best I could put up
with. Whenever it was possible, I got to have a few luxeries like
Fruity/Cocoa Pebbles, Coco Puffs and Sugar Pops (I still like to say
"sugar" a lot).
I do hate to admit I never had Cookie Crisp in my life! I assume my mom
drew the line there when it comes to the dreadful fact that it was
literally having cookies for breakfast!
>Still I like the newer Applejacks ads. I like the way
>the gently poke fun at the way adults don't
>understand the zen of kid logic ("It is because it
>is")The on-line comic stip Ozy and Millie once had
>a strip where the punchline was "I never knew that
>stupidity was so Zen" This happened after a
>popular kid explained something is cool because it
>is cool, no other reason is needed. I am amused
>by that sort of reasoning in popularity.
If that was true, then I really hate those kids that still like to wear
their pants below their waists (nice that boxer shorts are still
around). I just never understand kids anymore. First time I actually
saw that goes back to my high school drama class 10 years ago, and it
was one guy who sat close to me who would do that, he hid his shame
thankfully by wearing a jacket (my school didn't have a dress code yet,
so everyone still wore obscene shirts then).
From the Master of Car-too-nal Knowledge...
Christopher M. Sobieniak
--"Fightin' the Frizzies since 1978"--
Adam Haun
>You know stuff like this has appeared on this newsgroup and many other
>newsgroups time and time again. Some company acquires the rights to an
>anime, comic book, book or something else and then massacres it. Fans
>go on a rant and rave about how Hollywood types aren't very
>intelligent, arrogant, underestimate the audiences inteligence, etc.
>However the Industry people are still six and seven figure salaries
>plus benefits, while we just type away on the Net with our complaints.
>They must be doing something right. Otherwise their changes would
>cause something to loss money and they would loose their jobs. I think
>that the fandom community seriously underestimates the buisness acumen
>of the powerplayers and decision makers in Hollywood. They have one
>responsibility: to generate profit and they seem to do a good job at
>it.
I had thought that was obvious. Making profit has nothing to do with
pleasing fans and everything to do with selling loads of tripe to
people who are only too willing to buy it. Quality, taste, and respect
mean nothing -- money is God, and when God talks, people listen.
I don't know if I'd say they do a "good" job, unless it's in the sense
that one refers to a "good" con artist.
--
Adam Haun
ad...@mail.rit.edu
In Shoujo Russia, Sempai confesses to YOU!
Steve Harrison
ad...@mail.rit.edu (Adam Haun) wrote:
And don't forget, that 6 and 7 and 8 figure income might only last a year
or so....Hollywood is a hungry beast, and if you stop being the 'flavor of
the month' you're out on your ear...so you spend a *lot* of time lining up
your next job!
Which means the promotion is more important than the production, so why
give a s**t, right?
(yet *every single success* in Hollywood is due to someone having an
unstoppable *passion* to do their project...not caring only produces
mediocrity)
Friend of mine went into the Belly of the Beast....he did a lot of
'kneepad and lip balm' (metaphor, not actual) to get on projects,
eventually I think he got to direct some cartoons you might have heard of,
got reasonably high up(within the tiny little power pool of the animation
arm, which was *nothing* as far as 'The Studio' was concerned...)..was
*constantly* told "Oh, sure, we'll look at YOUR stuff, but here, do
this...."...and then the studio was closed, bye-bye don't let the door hit
you in the a** on the way out...and lo and behold, a year later they
opened a new studio and had all new staff, wonders of wonders..
Sad thing is, he came away from that, totally sold his soul to the
Hollywood Beast way of thinking...shucking and jiving, everything is 'the
deal', a handshake means nothing and contracts take forever unless it's
all his way....*sigh*
another friend was with him, he got out with his soul intact...it almost
got him, but he woke up....I think it was the cats that protected him.....
:)
--
Steve Harrison-Yamato Guru
.sig got lost!
tochiro-at-ixdotnetcomdotcom..sorry to spoof, death to spammers!
Dale
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2004, 10:31am (EST-3), Shado...@aol.com (Dale) wrote:
> >chrism...@webtv.net (Chris Sobieniak) wrote in
> >message
> >news:<2871-401...@storefull-3134.bay.we>btv.net>...
> >>Still I thought it tasted like apples! (though I grew
> >>up in the generation that "believed" whatever TV
> >>said to us anyway) I do hate the later Apple
> >>Jacks ads that feel they have to go that route.
> >I never ate Applejacks that much. My parents
> >rarely allowed sugar cereals into the house and my
> >favorite was Corn Pops anyway.
>
> I luckily grew up in a family that tolerated so-called "low sugar"
> varieties. While I hated Cherrios and Corn Flakes, I did however pour
> extra sugar on my soggy Life (I liked it that way),
I got to have Life cereal. Usually my parents got Honey Nut or Apple
Cinammon cereals with occasional forays into Crispix or if I was lucky
Frosted Flakes. My mom made Pancakes a lot though and Eggo Waffles
were acceptable.
and took a long time
> to pour milk on Rice Krispies (to hear them sing their song!), and I
> also had Fruit Loops and Lucky Charms which was the best I could put up
> with. Whenever it was possible, I got to have a few luxeries like
> Fruity/Cocoa Pebbles, Coco Puffs and Sugar Pops (I still like to say
> "sugar" a lot).
I never like choclate cereals. They always tasted weird to me.
>
>
>
> If that was true, then I really hate those kids that still like to wear
> their pants below their waists (nice that boxer shorts are still
> around).
What do you think about girls who wear low rise pants so you can see
their panties?
It is pretty much the same concept.
Dale
> "Lord Craxton" <cra...@erols.com> wrote in message news:<402314d0$0$8370$61fe...@news.rcn.com>...
> > "8-Bit Star" <nes_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:4327cb6c.04020...@posting.google.com...
> > > "Lord Craxton" <cra...@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:<402053c3$0$8384$61fe...@news.rcn.com>...
> > > > "The Wanderer" <inverse...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:yuKdnft_Q9G...@comcast.com...
>
> I think it's just that some of us find foreign cultures interesting, and that's
> why shows like Jonny Quest almost never stay in America.
> >
Still, I wouldn't call Haji a great showing of an Indian character. In
the old and new versions of Johnny Quest he is pretty stereotyped.
Actually most of the time JQ showed a foreign culture it was
stereotyped.
Kyle Thomas Pope
>I don't think is being a bigot, just a buisnessman.
Then he's a very bad businessman. If he's been paying any attention
he'd know that anime and manga are huge right now. He'd do better for
his bottom line by leaving the anime intact so he can tie in a nice
merchandizing deal with TokyoPOP's release of the Tokyo Mew Mew manga.
Not to mention all that Tokyo Mew Mew merchandize they could bring
over from Japan. I would have thought that anime had proven its
viability in the US market by now.
-----
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