FIBS - dealing with droppers
Arve Bersvendsen
anything relevant in Google Groups.
After going back to fibs after a long break, I suddenly remembered
one of the things that made me stop playing backgammon online in the
first place: droppers.
After having a discussion with a fellow player, I think I've found a
way to solve this, without rewriting the entire fibs protocol:
It shouldn't be too hard [1] extending the fibs code to store who
dropped/disconnected from a particular game.
Then it would simply be a matter of creating new/alternative who,
whois and rawwho commands, and create a "set whostyle" command aswell.
The default who, whois, rawwho commands would show info the old way,
keeping compatibility with old clients, and newer clients could take
advantage of extended information, and calculate drop-rating for any
user.
This way, users who have many games they have dropped, could have far
greater difficulties getting anyone to play them
___
[1] This is ofcourse a wild guess. Perhaps Andreas or anyone
else responsible for/familiar with the fibs server code have anything
to say about this?
--
Arve - zxspectrum on fibs
http://www.bersvendsen.com/ http://www.liksom.net/
Played games: http://randomtox.dyndns.org/backgammon
Patti Beadles
Arve Bersvendsen <arve....@VALIDbersvendsen.com> wrote:
>It shouldn't be too hard [1] extending the fibs code to store who
>dropped/disconnected from a particular game.
Unfortunately, Andreas isn't currently developing the FIBS code base.
At least for now, we're working with what we have.
-Patti
--
Patti Beadles |
pat...@gammon.com |
http://www.gammon.com/ | MCSE: technology's version of
or just yell, "Hey, Patti!" | an ambulance chaser.
Arve Bersvendsen
wrote:
> Unfortunately, Andreas isn't currently developing the FIBS code base.
> At least for now, we're working with what we have.
What kind of license is FIBS covered under? If it isn't open-source,
perhaps Andreas could be convinced to release it as open-source? This way,
the protocol could be extended and improved as needed.
Patti Beadles
Arve Bersvendsen <arve....@VALIDbersvendsen.com> wrote:
>What kind of license is FIBS covered under? If it isn't open-source,
>perhaps Andreas could be convinced to release it as open-source? This way,
>the protocol could be extended and improved as needed.
Andreas owns the source code to FIBS, and has in the past been
extremely reluctant to release it. I know that some people are
attempting to persuade him to do so, but it seems unlikely to
happen.
I'm almost dead certain that he won't release it as open source.
There's a slight chance that he'll hand the code over to one or
two developers.
-Patti
--
Patti Beadles | This is the fabulous thing about
pat...@gammon.com | America: You can always find someone
http://www.gammon.com/ | willing to embarrass the hell out of
or just yell, "Hey, Patti!" | their religion. --Mark Morford
Kees van den Doel
Patti Beadles <pat...@mauve.rahul.net> wrote:
>>What kind of license is FIBS covered under? If it isn't open-source,
>>perhaps Andreas could be convinced to release it as open-source? This way,
>>the protocol could be extended and improved as needed.
>Andreas owns the source code to FIBS, and has in the past been
>extremely reluctant to release it. I know that some people are
>attempting to persuade him to do so, but it seems unlikely to
>happen.
>I'm almost dead certain that he won't release it as open source.
>There's a slight chance that he'll hand the code over to one or
>two developers.
What a jerk. Can't we just steal it?
Kees (Behold and make big red circle made from the scholars at your
admiration for yourself willl continually make any thing and such
thing.)
Patti Beadles
Oh, I don't know. You spend hundreds of hours of your life developing
something, why don't you? Then I can call you a jerk because you
choose not to give it away.
Alef
> perhaps Andreas could be convinced to release it as open-source? This way,
> the protocol could be extended and improved as needed.
A group of Fibsters have recently written to Andreas specifically asking him
about sharing the code to allow others to help FIBS. He says he will
consider our proposals. You can read our letter to him and his reply at:
http://homepage.mac.com/alefrosenbaum/fibs/projects/andreasletter.html
> After going back to fibs after a long break, I suddenly remembered
> one of the things that made me stop playing backgammon online in the
> first place: droppers.
There's been an attempt to solve this problem from within the community
itself using the non-playing bot called RepBot. Essentially it tells you how
many saved games any opponent has, as well as that person's reputation as
voted by Fibsters at large. It won't guarantee you against droppers by any
means, but it's a clear warning system against the worst offenders. Tell
RepBot 'help' to see a list of its features.
Although FIBS has stagnated at the source for many years there are various
independent projects to improve things:
http://homepage.mac.com/alefrosenbaum/fibs/projects/
-Alef
Peter Schneider
[Talking about Andreas Schneider, the FIBS creator:]
> What a jerk.
Don't offend people you don't know, you might hit the wrong ones more often
than the right ones, like in this case.
[Talking about the FIBS source code]
> Can't we just steal it ?
Ah, thanks for shading some light onto your character.
Regards,
Peter aka the juggler
TJ JOE
and take care of it ourselves.
This is basically the same way I found out if I liked Snowie. Downloaded a
copy of it off the internet, made several copies and gave it to all my
backgammon buddies as christmas gifts. They all thought I was rich and I
saved my self over $1500.00.
"Alef" <alefro...@nospamthankyou.mac.com> wrote in message
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Patti Beadles
TJ JOE <TJ...@EARTHLINK.net> wrote:
>I have to agree with Kees van den Doel. It would be easier to just steal it
>and take care of it ourselves.
And how exactly are you going to get the source code? Break into
Andreas's house? And would you even know what to do with it once you
got it?
-Patti
--
Patti Beadles |
pat...@gammon.com |
http://www.gammon.com/ | Dammit! I've got a date tonight
or just yell, "Hey, Patti!" | and I can't find my rope.
otaku
>
> A group of Fibsters have recently written to Andreas specifically asking him
> about sharing the code to allow others to help FIBS. He says he will
> consider our proposals. You can read our letter to him and his reply at:
> http://homepage.mac.com/alefrosenbaum/fibs/projects/andreasletter.html
fat frickin' chance
>
>> After going back to fibs after a long break, I suddenly remembered
>> one of the things that made me stop playing backgammon online in the
>> first place: droppers.
>
> There's been an attempt to solve this problem from within the community
> itself using the non-playing bot called RepBot. Essentially it tells you how
> many saved games any opponent has, as well as that person's reputation as
> voted by Fibsters at large. It won't guarantee you against droppers by any
> means, but it's a clear warning system against the worst offenders. Tell
> RepBot 'help' to see a list of its features.
>
bwa ha ha
what a royal joke
"voted by Fibsters at large".... repbot is a worthless piece of garbage
otak-poo
otaku wrote:
>
> "voted by Fibsters at large".... repbot is a worthless piece of garbage
me thinks someone is running scared now :)
Terrorists don't like light shining in their cave.
Keep making noise otaku, please!
Kees van den Doel
Patti Beadles <pat...@mauve.rahul.net> wrote:
>>What a jerk. Can't we just steal it?
>Oh, I don't know. You spend hundreds of hours of your life developing
>something, why don't you? Then I can call you a jerk because you
>choose not to give it away.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Anyways I helped an old lady cross the street in the late 70-ies so I'm
above criticism now.
Kees (It should month's calendar, since there I'd love you missed the
musicians went wild.)
Bob Ebbeler
and petty censors like alef, zorba, et al are so dissatisfied with FIBS,
create your own place to play.
Bob
"Kees van den Doel" <kvan...@xs2.xs4all.nl> wrote in message
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Bob Ebbeler
to your shouts easily leads one to conclude you'd impose your own brand of
censorship.
I've also emailed Andreas urging him to NOT release the code; it would
simply put it in the hands of a few self-appointed Big Brothers intent on
monitoring the activities of the Winston Smiths of FIBS 24/7.
If you and your pals are smart enough to re-work the FIBS code, you're smart
enough to create your own site where you can play to your hearts' delights
with priests, nuns and other saints who, no doubt, would gravitate there.
Bob
"Alef" <alefro...@nospamthankyou.mac.com> wrote in message
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otaku
Bob,
I'm sure that the allusion to Orwell will go right over the collective
heads of the Party (alef/don/burper et al).
Fortunately, Andreas does understand the implications of releasing
the code, and he will not do so, despite the pipe dreams of
the Party.
Shalom.
Dfranc2
:-)))) I
Kees van den Doel
Patti Beadles <pat...@mauve.rahul.net> wrote:
>>I have to agree with Kees van den Doel. It would be easier to just steal it
>>and take care of it ourselves.
>And how exactly are you going to get the source code? Break into
>Andreas's house?
I guess we were sort of hoping you could help us out here.
Kees (Mijn in 20min in Americas homicide rates for NO qwuestions Aksed
mo$$nE$$$Y$$$ BACK guarantee isnit it weren't for cursing morons.)
Zorba
> Why don't you just enjoy a free place to play BG ?
Because it's full of droppers and other rating cheaters like you
(NIHILIST plus dozens of other nicks), Biggles, etc. who also feel
the need to fill the shout area with their fascism and racism despite
a MOTD asking you not to.
Things like that make FIBS less enjoyable than it could be. Of course
a ban might help.
--
_
/
_ orba
Patti Beadles
Kees van den Doel <kvan...@xs2.xs4all.nl> wrote:
>I guess we were sort of hoping you could help us out here.
The problem is that I don't have the source code, and never have.
I've only ever seen about ten lines of it in my life, and that's
the module that prints out the version number.
-Patti
--
Patti Beadles |
pat...@gammon.com |
http://www.gammon.com/ | I'm not a bitch...
or just yell, "Hey, Patti!" | I'm just nice impaired.
Kees van den Doel
Patti Beadles <pat...@mauve.rahul.net> wrote:
>>I guess we were sort of hoping you could help us out here.
>The problem is that I don't have the source code, and never have.
>I've only ever seen about ten lines of it in my life, and that's
>the module that prints out the version number.
That's a start. What did the 10 lines you saw look like?
Perhaps you know where he keeps the rest of the code? In an old sock
under his bed perhaps? With such a diverse population on FIBS there are
bound to be a few professional burglars we can ask to help out.
Kees (Getting rid of n-grams, where Joseph Askew for Car-theft?)
Zorba
> Why don't you offer your specifics of HELPING or IMPROVING FIBS ?
Alef did that long ago already, but apparently you weren't interested,
unlike many other FIBSters. Anyway it's easy to find for anyone
interested.
But you already shouted on FIBS that you don't care about the whole
server or the people there (is there actually anything in life you
care about except yourself?).
> Listening
> to your shouts easily leads one to conclude you'd impose your own brand of
> censorship.
Better than the default NIHILIST/Biggles
"STFU"-or-just-offensive-and-personal- remarks-at-anyone kind of
censorship that rules FIBS right now sometimes, I'd say.
Yeah, banning NIHILIST seems more attractive every day! Perhaps he
could start a new server for himself, together with don maybe?
> I've also emailed Andreas urging him to NOT release the code; it would
> simply put it in the hands of a few self-appointed Big Brothers intent on
> monitoring the activities of the Winston Smiths of FIBS 24/7.
Boy you sound scared all of a sudden.
But there's nothing Big Brother about it. It's just about basic
politeness, manners and behaving like a guest. With your immature and
offensive behaviour you'd be thrown out of many bars and restaurants
too and there'd be nothing Big Brother about that. It's just that you
as a single person mamange to annoy a huge majority of other FIBS
players, and it's questionable whether that should be tolerated.
Freedom is great, but Bob NIHILIST Ebbeler is taking away other
people's freedom to play backgammon on FIBS in a friendly, non-racist
atmosphere.
> If you and your pals are smart enough to re-work the FIBS code, you're smart
> enough to create your own site where you can play to your hearts' delights
> with priests, nuns and other saints who, no doubt, would gravitate there.
You don't have to be religious to behave yourself, Bob Ebbeler.
Perhaps instead of trying to divert the issue, you'd better
concentrate on improving your own behaviour, or finding another
server.
--
_
/
_ orba (who knows about 500 players on FIBS who all are sick and tired
of you)
Patti Beadles
Zorba <zo...@chello.nl> wrote:
>Freedom is great, but Bob NIHILIST Ebbeler is taking away other
>people's freedom to play backgammon on FIBS in a friendly, non-racist
>atmosphere.
Oh bullshit. I'm no fan of Bob's, but "toggle silent" is your friend.
Bob Ebbeler
writings.
Bob
P.S. I still love you, Patti
"Patti Beadles" <pat...@mauve.rahul.net> wrote in message
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Alef
>> Freedom is great, but Bob NIHILIST Ebbeler is taking away other
>> people's freedom to play backgammon on FIBS in a friendly, non-racist
>> atmosphere.
> Oh bullshit. I'm no fan of Bob's, but "toggle silent" is your friend.
>
> -Patti
Just because Zorba is fed up with one particular bully you're recommending
he "toggle silent" (turn off shouts/public chat) and cut himself off from
everyone else? Surely the most appropriate command here is simply "gag
[user]".
What I find most remarkable about FIBS is that despite its many years of
neglect and anarchy (in the negative sense) there remains a hardcore group
of shouters who are extremely friendly, fun and a pleasure to listen to. For
every sad dropper or bully mentioned here on r.g.b there are at least ten
others who have kept many of us from giving up on the public chats over the
years. A few names that spring to mind are cyan, mookie, socksey, Dutchie,
jasonj, webrunner, DDEEBBZZ, stacy, Tygger, MacMom...
I'm very much hoping that Andreas will either return to help improve things,
or better yet find another individual or small group he can trust to bring
new energy and enthusiasm to FIBS development.
Let me present one idea of how RepBot could provide a better service if
integrated: offer players the option to sign into filters.
"repbotfilter 0"
This would leave things just as they are now. An ideal setting for those who
love listening to absolutely anyone and who hate RepBot.
"repbotfilter 1"
This would add a gag/blind to only those who achieve the most extreme of
negative reputations, those who usually end up banned by Patti.
"repbotfilter 2"
A medium screen set at a threshold to not hear or play those who've achieved
a fairly bad rep.
"repbotfilter 3"
An option for the truly thin skinned who still want to keep the shouts on
but don't mind missing out on those who engage in, say, controversial
political debate or bad taste humour and have achieved a mildly negative
reputation.
Perhaps a further option would be setting these filters to create just gags
or blinds or both. The most controversial aspect of this system would be
choosing the default setting for new players. I'd argue for "repbotfilter 1"
since extreme droppers often prey on those with low experience.
With such options in place to automatically ignore others I would personally
want to see a complete end to all bannings. Instead I'd expect that those
deserving of a ban would simply get ignored to the point of giving up and
leaving on their own.
I'm not claiming this is a perfect system by any means, but I think
something like this would be a drastic step forward for FIBS. Constructive
criticisms are always appreciated!
By the way, I recently posted that RepBot would be adjusted to not allow
bots to votes. RepBot's current owner and programmer has decided against
this, arguing that RepBot is working fine as it is. I certainly acknowledge
that distinguishing between bots and players is a problem, and also the
attempted attack on me and others just forced more players to be aware of
RepBot. So thank you, otaku!
-Alef
Bob Ebbeler
THINGS is to take actions to restrict the speech of those who YOU find
personally objectionable.
Patti's solution is simple, yet brilliant; USE THE GAG COMMAND you already
have available to you.
I personally find your shouts to be largely moronic; I find Zorba's to be
both moronic and insulting. But I wouldn't ban either of you or suggest to
Patti or Andreas that they take actions to single you out for some unique
punishment. I would simply gag you or toggle silent.
I actually find some merit in your FILTERS suggestion. I propose that we
also create a JAGOFF FILTER and a CRYBABY FILTER specifically for people
like you and zorba who are entirely too stupid to simply enjoy a free place
to play backgammon.
Bob
"Alef" <alefro...@nospamthankyou.mac.com> wrote in message
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Steve Bortnyck
This is a free service, and y'all, or at least some of y'all, are unhappy
with aspects of it?
Some of you are advocating things up to and including stealing someones
intellectual property?
Others are demanding that someone else (who owns code/runs site) spend hours
fixing something that is "wrong"?
I am not a particualar fan of Patti or FIBS, but if y'all don't like
it...... DON"T PLAY THERE!!!
Pay gamesgrid, or sign up for free on other servers, its not that
complicated.
Steve
Zorba
> In article <8e504b59.02112...@posting.google.com>,
> Zorba <zo...@chello.nl> wrote:
> >Freedom is great, but Bob NIHILIST Ebbeler is taking away other
> >people's freedom to play backgammon on FIBS in a friendly, non-racist
> >atmosphere.
>
> Oh bullshit. I'm no fan of Bob's, but "toggle silent" is your friend.
Well, you may not have seen the source code of FIBS, but as an admin
one would think you'd know the "toggle silent" command does:
- not remove NIHILIST's racist shouts from FIBS (not reading the
newspaper doesn't mean there is no news)
- not end his abuse of the ratings system.
- not end his general abuse of FIBS, like offending newbies and
creating multiple nicks that drop matches to each other to screw the
rating system even more
What it does is making it impossible to read shouts from all of the
other, mostly all friendly and polite people on FIBS, most of which
find NIHILIST an annoyance factor of the first degree on FIBS.
So I'm sorry to say but this answer of yours makes no sense at all.
A ban is your friend Patti. FIBS would be happy and might even attract
some new players. Right now many of these leave immediately after
seeing that FIBS has become the place of immature racist shouters and
system abusers, one of which NIHILIST without any doubt is.
The real question is not why ban him. The question is why NOT ban him?
You've banned many people before (so they say... not much public
information there...) for much less, it seems.
--
_
/
_ orba (who thinks that once you start banning, NIHILIST should be on
the top of your list)
Zorba
[friendly FIBSters]
> A few names that spring to mind are cyan, mookie, socksey, Dutchie,
> jasonj, webrunner, DDEEBBZZ, stacy, Tygger, MacMom...
Hey, don't forget my secret Canadian connection, maman_Eve!
And my Las Vegas correspondent cowgirl!
And what about NYC gargoyle maria, bavarian Biermaedel LisaS, legal
alien vegasvic, guitarist and general rocker jonnyray, the turbulent
and contemporary season autumn, and, and... :o)
Zorba
> Am I missing something here?
>
> This is a free service, and y'all, or at least some of y'all, are unhappy
> with aspects of it?
Yes. The fact that something is free, doesn't mean one can't criticise
it. In fact, one of the reasons f.i. GNUBG is such a great program is
because of the large group of people who VOLUNTEER to offer their
criticism, ideas, solutions, suggestions, etc.
It's really a shame that there's no such thing possible on FIBS (there
IS a group of people VOLUNTEERING to improve it, but they have little
means and unfortunately get very little co-operation so far), and that
a supposed admin even seems to protect "people" like NIHILIST that try
to make this into some kind of offensive chatbox where strong
insulting and offensive language is the norm and racism has become
normal (thanks to NIHILIST and Biggles).
The gag or toggle silent command is clearly the wrong way to address
the problem. It's like saying those ghettoblasters your neighbours
play loud at 4am are no problem if you just wear earplugs.
I'm not complaining about NIHILIST's shouts just because I personally
don't like them. I'm complaining because they're racist, and thereby
offensive for whole groups of people, especially non-Americans.
And further, this person intentionally screws the rating system big
time, just like droppers do, which in itself should be enough reason
to ban him.
What good is there in allowing someone to play on FIBS who does
nothing than abuse the rating system and offend people (especially
newbies)? Perhaps Patti would care to explain, as she apparently
banned other players on FIBS.
Bob Ebbeler
rating system, that tung/BSGUN/sue/casas/etc/etc had about 10 nicks dumping
to each other simultaneously and you never posted one word of complaint
here. Instead, you'd shout gleefully about an obvious cheat putting 5 nicks
in the FIBS top 20.
Contrary to your ravings, I do NOT have multiple nicks dumping games to each
other to "screw the rating system." I challenge you to produce evidence
supporting your claim.
I have no problem with Patti examining the shout logs to look for the
constant racism and newbie abuse you talk about. I'm confident she'd find
that it's you who picks the fights when we're logged in at the same time.
Using the GAG command would solve your problems; you'd never see a single
shout of mine but still be able to read shouts " from all of the
other, mostly all friendly and polite people on FIBS "
Finally, if you're so dissatisfied with FIBS under Patti's watch, create
your own site.
Bob
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Murat Kalinyaprak
Patti Beadles wrote arkr9k$3nc$1...@blue.rahul.net
> Unfortunately, Andreas isn't currently developing the FIBS
> code base. At least for now, we're working with what we have.
I suppose "code base" must be a hip newphemism inspired
by and used as opposed to "data base"...??
Even then, the term "developing" implies a new product. One
just doesn't "develop" an old product over and over. Why not
use more accurate (if not more humble) expressions...??
> Andreas owns the source code to FIBS, and has in the past
> been extremely reluctant to release it.
He never released it...! But your saying "...has been extremely
reluctant to release it" implies that he released it reluctantly at
times... Why don't you stop trying to be eloquent with language
beyond your limitations and not misinform/mislead people...?
> I'm almost dead certain that he won't release it as open source.
You mean he isn't quite as benevolent as we thought he was...?
I guess there are different definitions of "benevolence"...? I like
the ones such as Khalil Gibran's "...like the cow gives its milk"...
> There's a slight chance that he'll hand the code over to one or
> two developers.
By "code" you must mean the "code base"...? :) But "developers"
still doesn't fit... :((
MK
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Patti Beadles
Murat Kalinyaprak <mu...@compuplus.net> wrote:
>I suppose "code base" must be a hip newphemism inspired
>by and used as opposed to "data base"...??
>Even then, the term "developing" implies a new product. One
>just doesn't "develop" an old product over and over. Why not
>use more accurate (if not more humble) expressions...??
No, not at all. "Code base" or "codebase" is a fairly common
software engineering term, and has in fact been in use for at
least a couple of decades.
A database and a codebase are two entirely different things.
One contains data, and one is the software that maniuplates
the data. Actually, the word codebase has a slightly different
set of connotations than that, but this simplification works
nicely for purposes of this discussion.
Developers are people who write software. Programmers, if you
prefer. Software engineers.
If you're going to be critical, I'd recommend that you spend a
little bit of time understanding what it is that you're
criticizing. Otherwise, you just make yourself look like even
more of a fool than you already do.
-Patti
--
Patti Beadles |
pat...@gammon.com |
http://www.gammon.com/ | If it wasn't for the last minute
or just yell, "Hey, Patti!" | I'd never get anything done!
Murat Kalinyaprak
Alef wrote BA03BB79.11CC%alefro...@nospamthankyou.mac.com
> A group of Fibsters have recently written to Andreas specifically asking
> him about sharing the code to allow others to help FIBS. He says he will
> consider our proposals. You can read our letter to him and his reply at:
> http://homepage.mac.com/alefrosenbaum/fibs/projects/andreasletter.html
It sounds like he may consider the consideration and that with him a little
peck on the ass may not be enough... You may have to stick your tongue
out and lick... :))
Bob Ebbeler
Bob
"Patti Beadles" <pat...@mauve.rahul.net> wrote in message
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Steve Bortnyck
Yes, a well intentioned idea put forth in support of software or a site can
be very beneficial. That would fall into my defiinition of "critique" not
criticism, but I will grant they are the same to most.
The thing I am missing, and it may just be that it has been years since I
played on FIBS, is that no one is asking/allowing the "helpers" to help.
So....doesn't it beg the question? Who is doing what, and for whom?
By that I mean, no one seems to want to open the code up to others, and no
one seems to want to answer your (the collective you, not you personally)
complaint. Isn't that a hint as to how much your input is valued?
If I try to volunteer my time at a church, and they keep trying to run me
off, am I really being helpful? Or just a pain?
Poor analogy I know, but it is "their ball" and if they want to keep it
instead of letting everybody use it and enjoy it, then let them. Not our
call what others want to do with their time and money. Right?
Like I said, FIBS and Patti may not be my favorites, but that doesn't mean
they have to let everybody into "their playground".
Steve
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<rebb...@attbi.com> wrote:
>
> Contrary to your ravings, I do NOT have multiple nicks dumping games to each
> other to "screw the rating system." I challenge you to produce evidence
> supporting your claim.
>
An examination of IPs shows that nihilist has played as tung_cheats,
mgnu_stfu, and mgnu_pleasestfu. The sole purpose of these nics was to
cheat. tung_cheats has been banned. A whois of the other two still
shows that they last logged in from nihilist's IP.
Ang...@singh.com
If you gag someone, it only lasts until they disconnect. They can
however re-connect and they will no longer be gagged (or blinded).
If they continue to be ignorant you will have to gag them again.
This sometimes spurs the ignorant person on to keep disconnecting and
reconnecting no matter how many times you gag them, just so they can
annoy the crap out of you.
If you want to beat them at their own game, cut & paste a text message
saying something like
"tell xxxxxxxx (where xxxxxxx is the annoying person) you are a stupid
MORON, if i could get a hold of you i would SMASH YOUR FUCKING BRAINS
OUT you shit kicking, poo jabbing, chocolate donut stabbing, pillow
biting fuckwit !!!!!!!!!!!
Then all's you have to do in rapid succession is press Ctrl + V then
enter (pastes and sends the text you had in memory).
Keep doing this for several minutes, thereby flooding their screen,
and giving them the shits.
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 13:50:40 GMT, "Bob Ebbeler" <rebb...@attbi.com>
wrote:
Zorba
> An oldie but still a goodie...........
> [...]
> If you want to beat them at their own game, cut & paste a text message
> saying something like
> "tell xxxxxxxx (where xxxxxxx is the annoying person) you are a stupid
> MORON, if i could get a hold of you i would SMASH YOUR FUCKING BRAINS
> OUT you shit kicking, poo jabbing, chocolate donut stabbing, pillow
> biting fuckwit !!!!!!!!!!!
Now that's the spirit! You play backgammon or you don't. ;^)
Zorba
(NIHI is still unble to quote)
>Contrary to your ravings, I do NOT have multiple nicks dumping games
to each
>other to "screw the rating system."
Sure you have; you were so upset about <B>tung<B> being FIBS #1
(instead of you...), that you logged in under various nicks like
"tung_CHEATS" etc. creating an articial high rating by droppping
matches to ...yourself. Oh well, one wouldn't expect anything else
from you.
Zorba
Right.
This advanced player is completely obsessed with trying to be FIBS #1.
Bob Ebbeler
NIHILIST.
Bob
"Zorba" <zo...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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Kees van den Doel
Bob Ebbeler <rebb...@attbi.com> wrote:
>Balls ! I haven't created ANY nick that I've used to dump points to
>NIHILIST.
What about Oeroeboeroe?
Kees (Als 1 tmcg...@tcd.ie Toman MacGinley 98 02:54:18 BST Message-Id:
950517125...@armitage.cyb To: 24 20:41:08 2000 07:18:01 GMT
X-Complaints-To: ab...@home.net X-Trace: 1018689310
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EBOEROEOEROEBOEROEOEROEBOEROE OEROEBOEROEOEROEBOEROEOEROEBO is
supposed to lift.)
Patti Beadles
>An examination of IPs shows that nihilist has played as tung_cheats,
>mgnu_stfu, and mgnu_pleasestfu. The sole purpose of these nics was to
>cheat. tung_cheats has been banned. A whois of the other two still
>shows that they last logged in from nihilist's IP.
And examination of logs shows that NIHILIST has not played against
any of the accounts that you mention. So, they may or may not be
owned by him, but he isn't using them to throw matches to himself.
-Patti
--
Patti Beadles | He's a brilliant lunatic and you can't tell
pat...@gammon.com | which way he'll jump... you can't dissect him,
http://www.gammon.com/ | predict him-- which of course means he's not a
or just yell, "Hey, Patti!" | lunatic at all. [From the musical Chess.]
Zorba
> In article <251120021551137785%x...@gte.net>, xor <x...@gte.net> wrote:
> >An examination of IPs shows that nihilist has played as tung_cheats,
> >mgnu_stfu, and mgnu_pleasestfu. The sole purpose of these nics was to
> >cheat. tung_cheats has been banned. A whois of the other two still
> >shows that they last logged in from nihilist's IP.
>
> And examination of logs shows that NIHILIST has not played against
> any of the accounts that you mention.
No, but Bob Ebbeler played himself on these accounts.
> So, they may or may not be
> owned by him, but he isn't using them to throw matches to himself.
Yes he is. "Himself" is still Bob Ebbeler, no matter which nick he
uses that day. He owns all these accounts, and manipulates the rating
system even more than he already did and does. That's clearly against
the FIBS rules. What are you gonna do about it, sysadmin?
Zorba
> Zorba,
>
> Yes, a well intentioned idea put forth in support of software or a site can
> be very beneficial. That would fall into my defiinition of "critique" not
> criticism, but I will grant they are the same to most.
>
> The thing I am missing, and it may just be that it has been years since I
> played on FIBS, is that no one is asking/allowing the "helpers" to help.
> So....doesn't it beg the question? Who is doing what, and for whom?
Well, that's untrue. There's many players on FIBS who'd like to see
improvements, and the improveFIBS group is quite large already and
growing.
Complaints about droppers on FIBS, solutions etc. have been subject of
debate here on r.g.b. over and over again in the eight years I've been
reading this group. People outside of FIBS have done the most, if not
all, to combat this problem, which unfortunately is very real for some
players. It would be nice if FIBS itself co-operated more with these
enthiousiastic volunteers, I think.
To answer your last question: Regulary FIBSters, who know lots of
other FIBSters too, are trying to find ways to improve FIBS and they
are doing that for all enthousiastic FIBSters who care about this
server, including themselves.
> By that I mean, no one seems to want to open the code up to others, and no
> one seems to want to answer your (the collective you, not you personally)
> complaint. Isn't that a hint as to how much your input is valued?
I see lots of discussion here actually, and on FIBS itself there's
also lots of discussion. Furthermore there's a very active mailinglist
discussing improvements of FIBS and many people (including Paul
Ferguson aka fergy, the programmer of the excellent MacFIBS software)
participate there, volunteering their time.
I guess you might not be well informed about FIBS' state if you don't
play there, like I've been doing for over eight years?
Patti Beadles
Prove it, please.
>Yes he is. "Himself" is still Bob Ebbeler, no matter which nick he
>uses that day. He owns all these accounts, and manipulates the rating
>system even more than he already did and does. That's clearly against
>the FIBS rules. What are you gonna do about it, sysadmin?
Explain to me, please, how he's using multiple accounts to manipulate
the ratings system.
-Patti
--
Patti Beadles |
pat...@gammon.com | I have come to think that
http://www.gammon.com/ | maybe you are not usual.
or just yell, "Hey, Patti!" | That is likely a good thing!
Zorba
> Balls ! I haven't created ANY nick that I've used to dump points to
> NIHILIST.
Sure. But that's not the subject. You wrote:
>>>> Contrary to your ravings, I do NOT have multiple nicks dumping
games to
>>>> each other to "screw the rating system"
^^^^^^^^^^
Now that's a lie. You created multiple nicks that dumped matches to
each other (not to your nick NIHILIST).
Multiple nicks is against FIBS rules, and dropping matches to yourself
is clear manipulation of ratings and should be reason for a ban IMO.
You're guilty as charged. Here's the proof:
> > > An examination of IPs shows that nihilist has played as tung_cheats,
> > > mgnu_stfu, and mgnu_pleasestfu. The sole purpose of these nics was to
> > > cheat. tung_cheats has been banned. A whois of the other two still
> > > shows that they last logged in from nihilist's IP.
--
_
/
_ orba
Bob Ebbeler
over RGB with demands to ban tung/BSGUN/sue/casas/etc, a known cheat who WAS
dumping to himself. Patti nuked most of his accounts, but didn't site ban
him and he's back in action, up to his old tricks.
Your phony indignation and outrage is nothing but a smokescreen attempting
to make a personal animosity between the two of us into something larger.
Give it a fucking rest !
Bob
"Zorba" <zo...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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Murat Kalinyaprak
Bob Ebbeler wrote LxjE9.133374$QZ.22797@sccrnsc02
> Finally, if you're so dissatisfied with FIBS under Patti's
> watch, create your own site.
The only thing you have said that is worth anything...! You
and Patti are among the most prominent figures of FIBS
and thus among the most defining components of FIBS,
which make it the "shit-pit" that it continues to be... :((
I don't see anybody standing up for you, except "Patti"...
And I don't see as many people expressing gratitude for
Patti's efforts as they used to do either... Obviously you
are not well liked at all and Patti is less and less so... :((
What I find to be really sad is that this place is full of dumb
ass-kissers who are not capable of starting an alternate
server and keep kissing the ass of false-benevolents like
"Marvin"(?)...
What about the guy who runs "NOBS" (or whatever the
name of the server altenative to FIBS)...? I had offered
him help a couple of years ago and he was receptive to
the idea but I have been too much of a lazy-ass to follow
up on my own offer...
Now, there seem to be an entire team of capabe people
who are kissing "Marvins" ass to improve FIBS... What's
so sacred about the "shit-pit"...? Why can't you just flush
it down where Jellyfish has gone and see if it floats up to
the surface under a different name...?
In the meantime, why don't you put your efforts towards
**developing** and alternative to FIBS... **Developing**
something from scratch invariably results in something
much better than trying to fix an old piece of junk...
And while at it, please do away with that fart-ass rating
formula also, will you...
Murat Kalinyaprak
Patti Beadles wrote arsu1p$mnu$1...@blue.rahul.net
> In 3de1...@post.newsfeed.com Murat Kalinyaprak wrote:
>>I suppose "code base" must be a hip newphemism inspired
>>by and used as opposed to "data base"...??
>>Even then, the term "developing" implies a new product. One
>>just doesn't "develop" an old product over and over. Why not
>>use more accurate (if not more humble) expressions...??
> No, not at all. "Code base" or "codebase" is a fairly common
> software engineering term, and has in fact been in use for at
> least a couple of decades.
Prove it to me...!
Are you or have you ever been a sofware engineer...? I got my
first paycheck as a computer programmer in January of 1980...
I've never heard or used such a term while I worked for others
or developed software of my own until well into the mid 1990's.
(Neither after that but I can't be sure of its usage since I myself
wasn't much involved in software development anymore)...
In fact, the term "database" itself (which broke away from the
conventional concepts) wasn't widely used until the late 1980's
or even early 1990's...
Please post a reference here showing "common usage" of
the term "code base" going back "a couple of decades" or
forever suck on my big toe...
> A database and a codebase are two entirely different things.
Phluse spare educating me anymore...
> One contains data, and one is the software that maniuplates
> the data.
Ok, fine, if you insist... What is "data"...??
> Actually, the word codebase has a slightly different set of
> connotations than that, but this simplification works nicely
> for purposes of this discussion.
"Set of connotations"...? In plural...?? Patti, it's dripping down
from your chin... Wipe it off please...
> Developers are people who write software. Programmers,
> if you prefer. Software engineers.
Programmers or software engineers can do more than just
"develop" software. For example, once they develop software,
they can then keep on "maintaining" it (i.e. fix the promised
but misfunctioning features) or "enhance" it (i.e. add new
features to it), etc...
Until version 1.00 of a software is released, you can call it
"developing", but releasing version 1.01 can no longer be
called developing... Get it...?
> If you're going to be critical, I'd recommend that you spend
> a little bit of time understanding what it is that you're criticizing.
> Otherwise, you just make yourself look like even more of a
> fool than you already do.
My criticizing your terminalogy (i.e. your using big words that
don't fit even in your huge mouth) was really secondary to my
trying to make the point that your and the ass-kissing herd's
idol "Marvin" is must be a false benevolent...
With the level of your intelligence and knowledge, how could
you miss this and focus on some terminology about software
development, which is obviously not your domain of expertise...?
Murat Kalinyaprak
Angela wrote hrg6uuc0peddqff1g...@4ax.com
> If you want to beat them at their own game, cut & paste a text
> message saying something like "tell xxxxxxxx (where xxxxxxx
> is the annoying person) you are a stupid MORON, if i could
> get a hold of you i would SMASH YOUR FUCKING BRAINS
> OUT you shit kicking, poo jabbing, chocolate donut stabbing,
> pillow biting fuckwit !!!!!!!!!!!
> Then all's you have to do in rapid succession is press Ctrl + V
> then enter (pastes and sends the text you had in memory).
> Keep doing this for several minutes, thereby flooding their
> screen, and giving them the shits.
May I suggest a better way of "giving them the FIBS"...? More
and more we hear espressions like "eat FIBS and die" instead
of "eat shit and die"...
So, how about a command that simply says "FIBS XXXX"...?
To be more specific, instead of doing all what you suggest
above, one would simply type "FIBS angel" and FIBS would
do the rest by sendin the message "angel you are a stupid
MORON, if i could get a hold of you i would SMASH YOUR
FUCKING BRAINS OUT you shit kicking, poo jabbing,
chocolate donut stabbing, pillow biting fuckwit !!!!!!!!!!!".....
..... until "angel" shouts "uncle!!!" and "fucks off!!!"... Think
about how many keystrokes all shit-pit users would save... :))
Murat Kalinyaprak
Apparently Patti and Bob Ebbeler himself admit that he played
under differents identities and even against himself under some
of those identities but not involving his NIHILIST identity... What
a pity...! :(
I have been not just personally but site-banned from the shit-pit
for over two years for having multiple accounts and/or playing
against myself using multiple accounts...
My reason for doing so was far more noble than NIHILIST's...
Imagine that there are three players John, Jack and Jim with
ratings of 1400, 1600 and 1800 respectively. Suppose that
I'm a 1700 rated player myself. Now imagine that these three
guys allow me to use their usernames and passwords to play
in the shit-pit for a while and that I play 50 matches of 5 points
against all 1900 rated opponents...
Since regardless of whose identity I assume, I am the same
player of the same stregth, the results should be the same as
if a 1700 rated player played 3x50=150 matches of 5 points
against 1900 rated opponents, right...?
Well, maybe not...! Based on my own silly experiments, I came
to believe and I'm willing to demostrate to you that in the shit-pit
players win in proportion to what whould be closely expected
from their ratings...
The reasons for this may be to curb cheating, smooth rating
fluctuations, validate a fart-ass rating system, etc...
But the real point is that 90% of the dumb fuckers on this bg
planet are probably too much of an ass-kisser and not smart
enough to even conceive and conduct such a test...
Even though I declared here openly several times that I was
not after attaining a meaningless high rating in the shit-pit to
brag about, I was still site-banned for using multiple accounts
in trying to conduct the above described test for example...
Many times it was Bob Ebbeler (who appeared to spend half
of his time obcessively tracking who logged on from what ISP,
etc.) to tip off Patti and he was self-admittedly proud of it...
Anyway, surely the shit-pit doesn't deserve this much of my time
but maybe what I write will encourage people who are trying to
improve it to change their minds to put their efforts towards
creating an alternative to it instead... To that end, if nothing else,
I would be glad to contribute my free advice benevolently... :)
Bob Ebbeler
concept.
Bob
PS The only thing I admitted to was NOT dumping matches to myself
"Murat Kalinyaprak" <mu...@compuplus.net> wrote in message
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Bob Ebbeler
unhappy with the free opportunity to play BG under Patti's watch, and have
the programming skills they claim, let them create their own server.
I can tell you most players on FIBS, including myself, are grateful for
Patti's tireless efforts. It is unfortunate that too often she must play
babysitter to a bunch of jagoffs who don't know how good they have it, and
who can't simply STFU and play BG.
Bob
"Murat Kalinyaprak" <mu...@compuplus.net> wrote in message
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Zorba
> After reading your last few posts I'm even more astonished you weren't all
> over RGB with demands to ban tung/BSGUN/sue/casas/etc, a known cheat who WAS
> dumping to himself.
Just like you, you mean?
--
_
/
_ orba (who wonders what Bob is trying to defend here...)
Bob Ebbeler
more about blowing your personal animosity toward me out of proportion.
Bob
"Zorba" <zo...@chello.nl> wrote in message
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Volsano
> Are you or have you ever been a
> sofware engineer...? I got my
> first paycheck as a computer
> programmer in January of 1980...
I am, and have been; and got my first paycheck for IT (aka DP) work a decade
earlier than you. And before that I was studying the subject for a couple of
years. I feel qualified to comment.
Murat:
> I've never heard or used such a term
> while I worked for others or developed
> software of my own until well
> into the mid 1990's.
I don't know when "codebase" first surfaced as a common term. But I've been
happy with it for a long while. A Google Groups advanced search for "codebase"
"code-base" and "code base" shows it appearing in print the PC world mid 1980s
-- that's decades (one and a half). It may have existed in the mainframe world,
or just verbally, for longer.
Murat:
> In fact, the term "database" itself (which broke
> away from the conventional concepts)
> wasn't widely used until the late 1980's
> or even early 1990's...
I was working on databases in the 1970s. Though I think we called them DBMSes
(Database Management Systems) back then. CODASYL's IDMS and IBM's IMS/DB/DC
spring to mind.
In any event, you are nit-picking on words rather than following Patti's line
of reasoning. (If I wanted to nitpick, I might, for example, point out that
software has a T in it).
Colin.
Zorba
> Your failure to do it proves my point that you care less about cheats, and
> more about blowing your personal animosity toward me out of proportion.
Have you checked your RepBot standing lately? This is not "personal
animosity"--you manage to annoy lots of people...
No wonder. You cheat, you lie, you offend and you're racist.
--
_
/
_ orba (I thought you were proud of it too, Bob?)
Zorba
> I can tell you most players on FIBS, including myself, are grateful for
> Patti's tireless efforts.
Yes, that includes all improveFIBS members too. But there's lots of
room for improvement, as also many FIBSters will agree.
You have a weird way of showing your gratitude to Patti: logging in
under dozens of nicks, which is not allowed; dropping matches between
your various nicks in an obvious frustrated attempt to regain FIBS #1
position (how pathetic can one get...); shouting offensive racist
remarks which is also against FIBS motto and screwing around with the
rating system year after year.
Maybe if you're so grateful to FIBS, you could try to behave more like
a guest than as if you were the owner of FIBS?
Zorba
> Your phony indignation and outrage is nothing but a smokescreen attempting
> to make a personal animosity between the two of us into something larger.
Nothing personal about it. You're hated by most of the FIBS' crowd,
which is understandable given your regular offensive remarks, your
continuous screwing of the rating system, your abusement of multiple
nicks and your racist shouts.
Your RepBot rating shows pretty well what other FIBSters think of you.
You're worse than most droppers.
--
_
/
_ orba (who wonders what happened to Bob's pride about being an
offensive cheat)
Steve Bortnyck
I probably didn't explain myself very well, maybe why I am never that
persuasive. I am not questioning the time, dedication, and willingness of
the FIBS community to help in any way they can. I am saying that the ones
who "control" FIBS don't seem to want to respond to your issues in a manner
that you find satisfactory. Which is perhaps why there is so much
discussion in the first place. You can have a million volunteers, but the
owners/operators have to be willing to let you help before any real good can
come of it, right?
So, since it seems that there is so little being done to address your
issues, it "begs the question" of whether you are actually helping. And
perhaps, "Why?"
Not questioning your motives, just wondering why you are trying so hard to
change something that the owners/operators don't seem to want to change?
Steve
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Murat Kalinyaprak
Bob Ebbeler wrote 4drF9.165595$QZ.27078@sccrnsc02
> Playing against yourself and dropping losing matches ?
> Now there's a noble concept.
I talked about only playing against myself. "Playing against
myself and dropping losing matches" is what you fabricated
and falsely attributed to me...
If I'm playing against myself, I am at the same time the loser
and the winner...!! Why would I drop losing matches against
myself...?? Making such arguments clearly expose your IQ...
Why don't you confine yourself to angling in the shit-pit and
spare us here in this newsgroup...??
Bob Ebbeler
games the last two times we played. So much for your nobility.
Bob
"Murat Kalinyaprak" <mu...@compuplus.net> wrote in message
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Patti Beadles
Murat Kalinyaprak <mu...@compuplus.net> wrote:
>Prove it to me...!
I can't, but I can give you anecdotal evidence. I just turned to
a friend who has been a software engineer for the last 25 years,
and asked him when he first heard the term codebase. "Hmm. It
was certainly in active use in the early 80s, and I'm pretty sure
I'd heard it long before that."
>Are you or have you ever been a sofware engineer...? I got my
>first paycheck as a computer programmer in January of 1980...
For something approaching 20 years, yes. I've been a software
engineer, a system administrator, a QA manager, and director of
operations, among other things. I started writing software in
around 1980, give or take a year, and started doing it professionally
a few years after that.
>In fact, the term "database" itself (which broke away from the
>conventional concepts) wasn't widely used until the late 1980's
>or even early 1990's...
I certainly remember the term database being in use in the late
70s. A Google search of newsgroups turns up quite a few hits between
May and November of 1981-- and it was used in a casual manner, as
though it was a well-known term. The first hit for dbase (remember
Dbase II for CPM?) occured in early 1982... if database software had
gotten to micros by then, it was certainly in use in the mini and
mainframe world long before that.
-Patti
--
Patti Beadles |
pat...@gammon.com |
http://www.gammon.com/ | "I trust you. It's just
or just yell, "Hey, Patti!" | that I'm scared of you."
Zorba
> So, since it seems that there is so little being done to address your
> issues, it "begs the question" of whether you are actually helping. And
> perhaps, "Why?"
>
> Not questioning your motives, just wondering why you are trying so hard to
> change something that the owners/operators don't seem to want to change?
Ah, now that is an interesting point. Why do people want to improve
FIBS? Well, maybe because they care about FIBS, play there, meet
friends there, have nice chats, etc. FIBS is techincally speaking
pretty bad by nowadays standards, because hardly anything has improved
since the first years. Worse, especially over the last months, FIBS is
worse than it has probably ever been.
Now, isn't the goal of the FIBS server to make it possible for people
to have a good time there? Then if a bunch of people want to improve
FIBS, why not co-operate with them?
So, I think the question should be answered by Patti: why is FIBS in
such a neglected state and is communication with her so difficult? If
Patti has no time or not the dedication to improve FIBS and
communicate a little better, I think she might consider letting
someone else run FIBS? It's great was she has been doing for FIBS for
many years, but I can't help thinking that she's lost her interest in
it some time ago already.
The last years have seen lots of (good) player's leave FIBS, lots of
lag and downtime, a couple of crashes that deleted information in
player's accounts, more droppers and worse behaviour by racist people.
I think any sysadmin would be concerned about that, and be grateful to
volunteers who'd like to help.
Bob Ebbeler
like RACIST around carelessly. BTW, I doubt Patti would be thrilled by your
derision of gays, something I've witnessed in shouts quite often.
Your hypocrisy never ceases to astound me. You claim concern for cheaters
who screw up the rating system, but never posted one word about tung, who
had at least 5 nicks in the top 20 before Patti nuked him. You've castigated
me here for having "dozens" of nicks, which is horseshit, ( feel free to
itemize these 24+ nicks ) but, again, not a word about other multiple-nick
FIBSters.
Worst of all, you DARE to accuse anyone of racism when your shouted
jew-baiting on FIBS is some of the worst garbage imagineable.
The most laughable part of this entire thread is that your readers are
supposed to jump to the conclusion that you and your fellow book-burners are
much better suited to replace Patti in the administration of FIBS.
Get your own BG site. To use your analogy, when you OWN the bar, you can ban
anyone you want.
You aren't there yet, asshole.
Bob
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Zorba
> I doubt she'd be grateful for self-appointed cops like you who throw words
> like RACIST around carelessly.
I'm just human, and calling you racist is 100% accurate.
> BTW, I doubt Patti would be thrilled by your
> derision of gays, something I've witnessed in shouts quite often.
I admit you're funny at times. I can't help it I'm not overly
enthiousiastic when you shout "suck Arafat's cock", but I don't mind
you being excited about those ideas.
> Your hypocrisy never ceases to astound me. You claim concern for cheaters
> who screw up the rating system, but never posted one word about tung, who
> had at least 5 nicks in the top 20 before Patti nuked him.
Well he's nuked now, so let's move on to FIBS Biggest cheater:
NIHILIST and his other nicks, all owned by you Bob Ebbeler. Time to
ban you, according to your own logic.
> You've castigated
> me here for having "dozens" of nicks, which is horseshit, ( feel free to
> itemize these 24+ nicks ) but, again, not a word about other multiple-nick
> FIBSters.
That's because you're the worst case on FIBS for many years already,
according to many FIBSters.
> Worst of all, you DARE to accuse anyone of racism when your shouted
> jew-baiting on FIBS is some of the worst garbage imagineable.
Maybe to you, but as you might like to know I've got many jewish
FIBS-friends, many of which you've personally offended often, either
on FIBS or here on rgb. So if you don't mind I won't take you
seriously (who can...).
> The most laughable part of this entire thread is that your readers are
> supposed to jump to the conclusion that you and your fellow book-burners are
> much better suited to replace Patti in the administration of FIBS.
Not at all, but it seems like there's more people who are not entirely
happy with the state which FIBS is in, so trying to improve things
makes sense.
And Bob Ebbeler is certainly for a big part responsible for the bad
state FIBS is in, by screwing around the ratings system year after
year and personally offending all sorts people almost daily,
especially newbies.
--
_
/
_ orba (who has no interest in book burning, just in a nice BG site)
Murat Kalinyaprak
Volsano wrote 20021128162102...@mb-cp.aol.com
> I am, and have been; and got my first paycheck for IT (aka DP) work
> a decade earlier than you. And before that I was studying the subject
> for a couple of years. I feel qualified to comment.
Hi Patti, :))
Go ahead, I wouldn't know the difference anyway... :)
> I don't know when "codebase" first surfaced as a common term.
Yet, you still take the liberty to bullshit at the expense of RGB...??
> A Google Groups advanced search for "codebase" "code-base"
> and "code base" shows it appearing in print the PC world mid
> 1980s -- that's decades (one and a half).
I don't think Google archives go as far back and recent articles
referring to past don't constitute evidence from the past. Please
specify which articles you are talking about...!!??
> It may have existed in the mainframe world, or just verbally, for
> longer.
Yes, probably even longer in the academic circles, as it is often
the case...
> In any event, you are nit-picking on words rather than following
> Patti's line of reasoning. (If I wanted to nitpick, I might, for example,
> point out that software has a T in it).
And all you did was respond to my nitpicking...!! :((
I understand... :)) It was easier than tackling the issue of whether
"Marvin" is a true "benevolent" or not...
Murat Kalinyaprak
Bob Ebbeler wrote gfJF9.168576$NH2.11110@sccrnsc01
> Excessive dropping got you banned from FIBS, asshole.
Let me start by reiterating that you are a largely disliked,
filthy-mouthed (and not just pretending at it, like some of
us do) apparent cheater who is among the most defining
elements/fixtures of FIBS that makes it a SHIT-PIT...!!!
Or we could call FIBS alternate names like NIHILIST-PIT,
if it would satisfy your ego any better...??
> You've dropped losing games the last two times we played.
The only time/s I played against you was 4-5 years ago and
I had won and I had mocked at you. Since then, you mave
done quite well detecting my logging in under different user
names, reporting to Patti and of course, declining all of my
invitations...
> So much for your nobility.
The nobility in my actions is in the fact that I announced them
ahead of time... Furthermore, I shoved it deep in FIBS's ass
by using the same nicknames like "JEESPSY", to repeat the
same experiment and to re-prove my case twice in about two
years...
I got time and I got beer... You shit-pitters wanna fuck...? We
will fuck...!!
Bob Ebbeler
dropped and, as your parting words, said SAY HI TO ALL THE OTHER SICK
BASTARDS. This phrase might have a familiar ring to it among regular readers
of your RGB "contributions."
You logged in several minutes later with a shiny new nick, invited me,
dropped again when losing, and said something similarly unintelligible.
The fact that I may be disliked doesn't change the fact that Patti bans you
every time she sees you because of your demonstrated trait of dropping when
about to lose, which is quite an often occurrence with you.
Finally, what point did you hope to prove by your grand experiment ? That
you could drop every time you were about to lose a match ?
On the ZORBA SCALE, I'd say you've screwed up the FIBS rating system to a
much larger degree than I have.
Bob
"Murat Kalinyaprak" <mu...@compuplus.net> wrote in message
news:3dec...@post.newsfeed.com...
Zorba
> In article <8e504b59.02112...@posting.google.com>,
> Zorba <zo...@chello.nl> wrote:
> >No, but Bob Ebbeler played himself on these accounts.
>
> Prove it, please.
Well, if you have access to FIBS IP-logs, I think the best proof is if
you check this yourself. Various people have witnessed Bob Ebbeler (or
at least someone playing from his regular IP-address) playing himself
and dropping match after match, achieving a 2200+ rating in no time.
The goal seemed to be to regain the FIBS #1 position, as one of these
nicks was "tungcheats" or something like that.
> >Yes he is. "Himself" is still Bob Ebbeler, no matter which nick he
> >uses that day. He owns all these accounts, and manipulates the rating
> >system even more than he already did and does. That's clearly against
> >the FIBS rules. What are you gonna do about it, sysadmin?
>
> Explain to me, please, how he's using multiple accounts to manipulate
> the ratings system.
By dropping matches between these nicks. As soon as one of these nicks
plays someone else (i.e. not Bob), the rating system is being
manipulated, just like other droppers manipulate it.
More importantly though, using multiple nicks from opne IP-address
throwing matches to each other seems enough reason in itself to at
least give someone a warning and if he continues, just ban him? I
can't see any point in allowing these cheaters on to FIBS, however I'd
rather see them change their behaviour than being banned.
Patti Beadles
Zorba <zo...@chello.nl> wrote:
>Well, if you have access to FIBS IP-logs, I think the best proof is if
>you check this yourself. Various people have witnessed Bob Ebbeler (or
>at least someone playing from his regular IP-address) playing himself
>and dropping match after match, achieving a 2200+ rating in no time.
As a matter of fact, I *have* checked logs-- I've just gone back to
November, 1999, and looked at a listing of every match that NIHILIST
has ever finished. I see absolutely no evidence of what you suggest.
If you have evidence that suggests otherwise, please give me
specifics-- times, dates, handles. Otherwise, I'll be forced to
believe what my own logs tell me, rather than your unsubstantiated
allegations.
-Patti
--
Patti Beadles |
pat...@gammon.com | Never ever argue with a clown.
http://www.gammon.com/ |
or just yell, "Hey, Patti!" | The clown ALWAYS wins.
Peter Schneider
you are ridiculing yourself in front of the whole [bg] world, with as little
wit as and even less style than Murat K.
To read your posts is wasted time.
You have just tunneled the potential wall of my kill filter.
Peter aka the juggler
Zorba
> In article <8e504b59.02120...@posting.google.com>,
> Zorba <zo...@chello.nl> wrote:
> >Well, if you have access to FIBS IP-logs, I think the best proof is if
> >you check this yourself. Various people have witnessed Bob Ebbeler (or
> >at least someone playing from his regular IP-address) playing himself
> >and dropping match after match, achieving a 2200+ rating in no time.
>
> As a matter of fact, I *have* checked logs-- I've just gone back to
> November, 1999, and looked at a listing of every match that NIHILIST
> has ever finished. I see absolutely no evidence of what you suggest.
>
> If you have evidence that suggests otherwise, please give me
> specifics-- times, dates, handles. Otherwise, I'll be forced to
> believe what my own logs tell me, rather than your unsubstantiated
> allegations.
It's not about NIHILIST, but about Bob Ebbeler as I wrote, or more
specificly his IP-address. From this address several nicks were
created, dropping each other matches to achieve a new FIBS #1 rating.
xor wrote about this earlier:
>An examination of IPs shows that nihilist has played as tung_cheats,
>mgnu_stfu, and mgnu_pleasestfu. The sole purpose of these nics was to
>cheat. tung_cheats has been banned. A whois of the other two still
>shows that they last logged in from nihilist's IP.
I assume xor means "Bob Ebbeler" where he writes nihilist. If you
banned tung_cheats, I guess it should be easy to find out from the
logs which IP-addresses we're talking about here. I don't have them
here, but I witnessed this tung_cheats log in from the same domain
NIHILIST logs in (Jacksonville blah blah if I remember correctly).
Patti Beadles
So you're assuming everyone in Jacksonville is Bob? I'm not.
Perhaps that is where our difference lies.
-Patti
--
Patti Beadles | This is the fabulous thing about
pat...@gammon.com | America: You can always find someone
http://www.gammon.com/ | willing to embarrass the hell out of
or just yell, "Hey, Patti!" | their religion. --Mark Morford
Murat Kalinyaprak
Bob Ebbeler wrote YK5H9.222582$1O2.14465@sccrnsc04
> Sorry, we recently played 2 1-pointers. You used the nick
> kissmyfibs.
Hahh hhaaa... I have a feeling that this will be my last reply
tonight in this newsgroup as I can't imagine anything that
can top this one...
You actually played against somebody with a nickname that
said "kissmyfibs"...?? And not even once but twice...???
I really would not have guessed you to be that stupid but the
real question is: "Did you kiss his fibs"...?? :))
> You dropped and, as your parting words, said SAY HI TO
> ALL THE OTHER SICK BASTARDS. This phrase might
> have a familiar ring to it among regular readers of your
> RGB "contributions."
How did you conclude that it was me...?? He may be some
poor soul impersonating me and trying to take advantage
of my popularity and "trademarks"... :))
Patti stood up for you, arguing that everybody who logged
in from Jacksonville (or wherever) didn't necessarily have
to be you... So, now, let's have her back you up on this
argument that anybody who says: "Hi there sick bastards!"
must be me... :)) Hah hahhh... My ass is about to bust from
laughing so hard...
What is even more noteworthy is the fact that you remember
"kissmyfibs" told you "SAY HI TO ALL THE OTHER SICK
BASTARDS"... This is remarkable... In an environment like
the shit-pit where you have no idea who is who from one day
to the next and among the thousands of private and/or public
messages, you try to keep track of who said what...? Woww!
I guess you may be much more anal-obsessive than I could
ever begin to suspect...??
The only positive I can wish for you is that I hope I'm the only
one you are obsessed with... :)) Did I ever hurt your feelings
so badly...? :((
> The fact that I may be disliked doesn't change the fact
> that Patti bans you every time she sees you because of
> your demonstrated trait of dropping when about to lose,
> which is quite an often occurrence with you.
Patti site-banned me over two years ago... Apparently she
doesn't think that everybody logging in from Jacksonville is
Bob Ebbeler but perhaps she thinks that everybody logging
in from Polson - Montana is Murat...?? :))
Actually I don't blame her for thinking that there wouldn't be
2 Murat's in a small town of 5000 in the armpit of USA but
principles and fairness are just what they are (even if Patti
and the shit-pit lack them)...!!
> Finally, what point did you hope to prove by your grand
> experiment ? That you could drop every time you were
> about to lose a match?
I think I sufficiently explained what my experiment was about.
If you dumb fuckers would like it better, you can take a more
consistent player like a robot (may I suggest "gnudung"?:))
make it play 1000 matches each against similar opponents
and under 3-4 different id's starting at different ratings like
1100, 1400, 1700 and 2000 for example, and let's us know
about the results/statistics...
> On the ZORBA SCALE, I'd say you've screwed up the
> FIBS rating system to a much larger degree than I have.
Personally, I don't believe that an arbitrary fart-ass rating
system can be screwed up any more than what it is...
But, off al the people, it's most amuzing to hear you say
anything about screwing up the shit-pit's rating system... :)
Thanks for making my day... And I hope somebody else
(perhaps Zorba??:)) will make your day for you...
Bob Ebbeler
an earlier post you stated I alerted Patti every time you logged in with a
new nick. Your ISP is a dead giveaway, and since Jeepsy ( another of your
nicks ) had logged out, immediately followed by kissmyfibs logging in from
the same address, it was an easy conclusion to draw.
I'll bet if Patti checked, she'd find she nuked this nick of yours back to
zero for your usual antics.
Finally, if anyone cared to read your later post in this thread, they'd see
another instance of your usage of the phrase SICK BASTARDS.
Coincidence ? I think not.
Bob
"Murat Kalinyaprak" <mu...@compuplus.net> wrote in message
news:3def...@post.newsfeed.com...
Zorba
> In article <8e504b59.02120...@posting.google.com>,
> Zorba <zo...@chello.nl> wrote:
> >I assume xor means "Bob Ebbeler" where he writes nihilist. If you
> >banned tung_cheats, I guess it should be easy to find out from the
> >logs which IP-addresses we're talking about here. I don't have them
> >here, but I witnessed this tung_cheats log in from the same domain
> >NIHILIST logs in (Jacksonville blah blah if I remember correctly).
>
> So you're assuming everyone in Jacksonville is Bob? I'm not.
If the "blah blah" part is the same, and it's the same IP-address as
xor stated, then yes, it's very likely we're dealing with Bob Ebbeler
here. Bob, creating multiple nicks in an attempt to regain the #1
position on FIBS by throwing matches from one nick to the other... a
little pathetic and abusive, isn't it?
Zorba
> I invited kissmyfibs knowing it was you, jizzbag, and knowing you'd drop
That's pretty stupid?
Dfranc2
that frick nihilbot and maybe other otaku bots have banned from FIBS; If so
kudos for Patti!
otaku
I was logged in under a couple of my various nics monitoring my bots
just today.
As a matter of fact, I played you using 1 of my nics....
Dfranc2
profile: drops when losing, then registers a complaint, against me, on
repbot.
otaku
Actually, that doesn't fit my profile. Contrary to the myths that you
are spreading, I'm not a dropper. And I very rarely use repbot to
register complaints.
I do love to jerk the chains of pathetic wastes of flesh like you
and burper, however. Apparently, you're unable to take the heat.
Is Zorba one of your nicks?
Murat Kalinyaprak
Bob Ebbeler wrote 9_HH9.243830$QZ.37645@sccrnsc02
> I invited kissmyfibs knowing it was you, jizzbag, and
> knowing you'd drop.
Sounds like a pretty self-destructive, stupid thing to do
even if you could have known it was me...
But, of course, I know that you wouldn't have accepted
it if you knew it was me... :)
BTW, have you noticed that I don't even bother to call
you names...? Unfortunately people like you and your
filthy mouths is half of what defines FIBS as a shit-pit...
> In an earlier post you stated I alerted Patti every time
> you logged in with a new nick. Your ISP is a dead
> giveaway, and since Jeepsy (another of your nicks)
> had logged out, immediately followed by kissmyfibs
> logging in from the same address, it was an easy
> conclusion to draw.
My ISP has been site banned for over two years...!
I did log on through a nationwide ISP for a short time
as Jeepsy for a specific purpose but the rest sounds
like someobody else was impersonating me to fool
around with you folks...? :)
> I'll bet if Patti checked, she'd find she nuked this
> nick of yours back to zero for your usual antics.
I bet not but I would be curious to know. So let's ask
her...?
> Finally, if anyone cared to read your later post in
> this thread, they'd see another instance of your
> usage of the phrase SICK BASTARDS.
> Coincidence ? I think not.
Considering that I probably used that expression more
like a few hundred times by now :) your detective skills
are less than impressive... :((
All in all, the overly apparent special attention that you
had and are still paying to me makes me feel good...
Thanks... :))
Zorba
> In article <8e504b59.02120...@posting.google.com>,
> Zorba <zo...@chello.nl> wrote:
> >I assume xor means "Bob Ebbeler" where he writes nihilist. If you
> >banned tung_cheats, I guess it should be easy to find out from the
> >logs which IP-addresses we're talking about here. I don't have them
> >here, but I witnessed this tung_cheats log in from the same domain
> >NIHILIST logs in (Jacksonville blah blah if I remember correctly).
>
> So you're assuming everyone in Jacksonville is Bob? I'm not.
>
> Perhaps that is where our difference lies.
Yes, it seems that you rather assume everyone from uunet is an abuser.
There must be some difference indeed, as this makes no sense at all
Patti, given your answer above to me a few days back.
Maybe it's time you give the real explanation for why you are
protecting Bob Ebbeler?
Bob Ebbeler
Marvin asking him to release the source code to FIBS. You did this under the
guise of "improving FIBS."
I don't doubt the sincerity of Alef and a few others in their desire to
improve, mainly, technical aspects, ie, resolving dropped matches.
My concern, and you have validated it repeatedly, is that others in your
group, with you at the head of the line, would use the code to ban users
simply for not conforming to your ideas of speech and behavior.
You claimed early on to have this huge concern about cheats, but never wrote
a word about the most obvious cheat on FIBS. Rather than making your case on
principle, you have chosen to make it a personal vendetta. The obvious
question becomes, IF IT'S ME TODAY, WHO IS IT TOMORROW ?
Now you're taking Patti on without the slightest clue as to why she took the
severe action she did. Once again, instead of asking her motivations and the
source of the problem, you've chosen to personalize it.
You have probably done more to damage Alef's sincere efforts to use the code
in a reasonable and non-personal manner than I would have thought possible.
You are the absolute worst advocate possible, and, judging by Alef's recent
conversation with me, he's ashamed that his name appears with yours on the
original email to Marvin.
Shalom.
Bob
"Zorba" <zo...@chello.nl> wrote in message
news:8e504b59.02121...@posting.google.com...
Kees van den Doel
Bob Ebbeler <rebb...@attbi.com> wrote:
>This whole discussion started because you, and some of your friends wrote
>Marvin asking him to release the source code to FIBS. You did this under the
>guise of "improving FIBS."
Are u talking to me?
>Shalom.
>
>Bob
>
>"Zorba" <zo...@chello.nl> wrote in message
>news:8e504b59.02121...@posting.google.com...
>> pat...@mauve.rahul.net (Patti Beadles) wrote in message
>news:<asmopl$8ic$1...@blue.rahul.net>...
>> > In article <8e504b59.02120...@posting.google.com>,
>> > Zorba <zo...@chello.nl> wrote:
Oh, I guess not.
Pots your reply below the pots you react to, Ebberel.
Kees (While I again priviliged to invent a right here, why Netscape het
genre van Babylonische proporties heersen.)
Don Hanlen
Droppers
I've been following this thread for a while and I see a lot of unrealistic
suggestions for improving FIBS and a lot of flames. What a surprise! I've
decided to break up some of my comments up into new threads so that those who
want to flame me may do so based on my individual points.
But here's a couple of simple points for early starters:
Like it can't be remotely fair to ban a site based on a single individual's
behavior, unless the policy extends to banning, say, earthlink or AOL. In
fact, AOL is a common abuser because they make it so easy for anyone to
anonymously create new IDs there.
Like it might make sense to nuke, for example, known multiple IDs on FIBS on
general principles. If Patti knows of multiple Bob's, say, she should get rid
of them. Or if she knew of a user with a name Biggles-two who was playing
rather than affect the ratings of Biggles, acquired using the NIHI-method...
Like how about nuking people who make racist remarks?
I suspect that most of the flames I've just generated can be responded to with
a direction to the March/April posts on this news group, but if you've got
something new... flame away!
Meanwhile, see:
Let's All Reprogram FIBS!
FIBS -- A final Solution
--
don
Don Hanlen
This problem of updating the FIBS source code to handle droppers has been
hashed and rehashed over the years. The earliest solution I can find that I
like (if you check it out you will see why) is available via google (See URL
at end of this message). It's basically the play-one-move every time you
login method, and game/match goes to the last player to move at time-out. I
can think of lots of variations to handle the many problems created but it
seems more wieldy than any "integration" of RepBot into FIBS.
But when you get right down to it, it's easier to advise modification of FIBS
source code by a person (say marvin or Patti) or a group (ROFL) than it is to
actually get it done. Consider that a simple recompile under a new OS, no
changes, may result in new bugs in a 10-year-old program. Now any of you
programmers out there, imagine going BACK to that program after 10 years, no
matter HOW good a job of modularity and documentation you did at the time.
It's obvious that people who flame back and forth about the derivation of
"data base" and "code base" and such haven't a clue anyway. These are the
folks who want marvin to make his work available to the world for no reason
and for free, and/or want to hack it away from him. What a joke.
--
don
-> old 1996 google newsgroup r.g.b.URL:
http://www.google.com/groups?q=droppers+solution+%22one+move%22+group:rec.games.backgammon&hl=en &lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&as_drrb=b&as_mind=12&as_minm=5&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=10&as_maxm=12&as_max y=2002&selm=5f9524%243lg%40news.owt.com&rnum=2
Don Hanlen
I value highly the anarchy of FIBS but sometimes things seem to get out of
hand, at least according to what I read here and hear on FIBS. Perhaps we
should borrow a bit from alef's FIBS-by-committee page. It's obvious that
Patti has enough to do simply keeping FIBS going (kudos for Patti) so how
about an official committee to take care of all the gripes?
I envision a semi-public court on FIBS.com that receives and disposes of
complaints. The FIBS supreme court would be presided over by 7 or 9 judges
who are dedicated FIBSters and have the power to issue warnings and nuke
accounts, subject to the approval of the actual nuker (Patti). Complaints
would be referred to the court and posted, along with judges' discussions and
votes. It's not to hard to picture a web page with levels of access for
complainers, the public, and judges.
For judges, I'd recommend anyone BUT Patti, since the point is to relieve her
of the hassle. I'd like to be one, counterbalanced by, say, Bob Ebeller! Any
of the moms on FIBS'd be OK, and marvin and kitwoolsey if they wanted to make
the effort.
Just an idea...
--
don
:-)
Of all the jibberish you've ever posted this has to take the biscuit.
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rebbeler
I suppose your recent banning, of record duration, gives you some kind
of EXPERT WITNESS status, but, to me, having you suggest guidelines
for banning FIBS abusers is about the same as having Charles Manson
rewrite the California death penalty statute.
The "semi-public" court you envision is a bit better than the star
chamber of Alef, zorba and the rest of that crybaby contingent, but
it's ludicrous nonetheless.
The most laughable part is your shameless admission that you'd like to
be one of the judges. Well, I guess the fuck you would ! The thought
of getting some payback after having your ass tossed off FIBS for 6
months must have given you your first erection in years.
Thank you for nominating me to be a judge, but to accept would mean
that I'm prepared to impose my set of values on other FIBSroids. I
don't want that done to me, and I won't do it to others. I trust
Patti's good judgement in these matters and suggest you should too.
With rare exception, the most outrageous stuff I see on FIBS falls
under the category of TASTELESSNESS not racism, fascism, or any other
ism that's tossed around too loosely. When the Supreme Court outlaws
tastelessness, assuming it can define it, give me a call.
Bob
dha...@oneworld.owt.com (Don Hanlen) wrote in message news:<at6sqh$utb$2...@news.owt.com>...
rebbeler
for others to flame you. It is also a tacit admission that you really
are a moron and expect to be jeered and hooted at for your
suggestions. I congratulate you for finally admitting your mental
defects to yourself. This is a big first step toward your recovery.
In your first point you suggest it would be ok to site-ban AOL because
" AOL is a common abuser because they make it so easy for anyone to
anonymously create new IDs" at FIBS.
Try to grasp this; AOL isnt abusing jackshit. I'd be willing to wager
that AOL doesn't even know that FIBS exists, so it's absurd to suggest
that it knowingly plays any part at all in multiple-nick abuse at
FIBS. Since you yourself subscribe to the doctrine that GUNS DON'T
KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, you might ascribe the same rationale
to your point about AOL.
To your next point, that it might be ok to nuke known multiple IDs on
FIBS, I would remind you that you'd be one of those banned for your
use of the nick Pythagoras to get around Patti's original banning of
you.
To your final point, racist remarks, I have no problem with this
except that the word RACISM gets tossed around too easily on FIBS.
I've been accused of racist statements for shouting about having my
pocket picked in Italy.
Bob
dha...@oneworld.owt.com (Don Hanlen) wrote in message news:<at6qsu$tt4$1...@news.owt.com>...
Patti Beadles
Arve Bersvendsen <arve....@VALIDbersvendsen.com.INVALID> wrote:
>Banning is supposed to be an extreme measure, taken by responsible
>administrators for repeatedly abusing the servers resources. Not to
>resolve personal conflicts.
Thank you! You have described *exactly* why I implemented the brief
uunet ban-- this person has been banned on and off for the last five
years due to extreme abuse of the system.
It was *not* a personal vendetta.
-Patti
--
Patti Beadles |
pat...@gammon.com | Failure is not an option.
http://www.gammon.com/ | It comes bundled with
or just yell, "Hey, Patti!" | your Microsoft product.
:-)
>multiple-nick abuse at
>FIBS
On line BG is not real BG, it's a loose community. No one will ever
lose their shirt. Multiple nicks are all part of the scene.
If don had 27 nicks he'd still be recognizable as a dick 27 times.
FIBS has brought us many wierd and wonderful beings. Relax, enjoy and
remember if it wasn't for the dons of this world you'd have nothing to
gugue your own sanity by.
Zorba
>My concern, and you have validated it repeatedly, is that others in
your
>group, with you at the head of the line, would use the code to ban
users
>simply for not conforming to your ideas of speech and behavior.
Why is that a concern?
Oh wait, all FIBS users know: you don't behave yourself since you
think you own FIBS.
You ignore the MOTD asking you to refrain from racist shouts, you
create multiple nicks to cheat, you drop matches, you abuse the rating
system.
Yes, you're right. An improved FIBS might be a FIBS withOUT Bob
Ebbeler. However, none would really care about you missing on FIBS,
just as you don't care about FIBS and the other people on there.
You're just getting what you deserve Bob. How does it feel?
>You claimed early on to have this huge concern about cheats, but
never wrote
>a word about the most obvious cheat on FIBS.
I wrote often about you.
>Rather than making your case on
>principle, you have chosen to make it a personal vendetta. The
obvious
>question becomes, IF IT'S ME TODAY, WHO IS IT TOMORROW ?
Biggles, perhaps? Another cheater.
>Now you're taking Patti on without the slightest clue as to why she
took the
>severe action she did.
I've got lots of clues actually, I inform myself before I post unlike
you.
> Once again, instead of asking her motivations and the
>source of the problem, you've chosen to personalize it.
Not at all, Patti already gave her motivations and the source. It's
just that her actions make no sense at all.
Perhaps you might wanna read rgb before posting more nonsense. Getting
informed makes you look better, didn't you know?