Earth Crisis Riot last night
Diego Hadis
Anyone heard about it?
My friend was there. He said that someone threw yougurt at them,
and someone threw a can of beer at them. They said it was real immature,
and that they would gladly discuss it "maturely" after the show. Later,
this kid ran on stage in a fur coat. The bass player threw off his bass
and began to get rough. The kid in the fur coat took off, but it caused
quite a ruckus.
D
Nj Hooligan
WHAT!!???!! i was there last night and NOTHING happened....everyone sat
around and sand folk songs and all was swell.......
NUEGYN
the accused fur coat bandit is supposedly also a vegan the only difference
is that he can recognize other peoples views and accept them unlike the no
sense of humored Smurf Crisis
Jumble
I would have to say that anyone who wears a fur coat and calls themselves
a vegan is quite the hypocrite. I too was at the show last night and was
amazed at the utter stupidity and heartlessness of those people who threw
things at EC and tried to start a fight with them later in the show. Now
when I read accounts of EC fighting members of the audience at shows, I
will know what kind of idiots they have to deal with and understand that
they are defending themselves. As to the guy in fur...what did he think
would happen? Are people so afraid of what EC have to say that they want
to stop them from saying it? Maybe if you own a slaughterhouse I could
understand.
-Jonny
XMRigidx30
I have mixed fellings about the happenings last night. I thought that the
yogurt throwing and the beer can throwing was absolutely ridiculus. That
is the type of ignorant, "immature" things that you would see at a Green
Day show. This was a hardcore show and what those people were thinking
was not hardcore at all. If they didn't like Earth Crisis, than they
should have left. Not only was the yogurt ignorant but it made a complete
mess. That was completely uncalled for.
As for the kid in the fur coat, you would have to ask him what he
expected. Many of these people spend their whole lives for Animal
Liberation, and running on stage while an "extremely" Vegan band was
playing was not the smart thing to do.
But for some reason I think the kid wanted to get beat up. He would not
have done something that radical unless he wanted to prove how seriously
Earth Crisis takes things. But that kid should not have done something
like that to get his point across, Or maybe he did. Sometimes the only
way to get a point across is to do something radical. And sometimes I
agree that you have to be as Milititant as Earth Crisis to get your point
across about the struggle to save lives.
I heard many things during the set after the numerous verbal scuttles and
the one time when the fur kid got the supreme beatdown. I think that
something like that was neccesary to sever the tension that surrounded the
show.
I heard many kids shout: HARDCORE, then VEGAN.
I heard another say: HARDCORE! VIOLENCE! (but i think he was joking)
I am not Vegan, but I do appreciate what it does for the world and I have
many friends who are Vegan/Vegetarian. However,We have to determine what
comes first. Hardcore-is a style of music and a lifestyle. Veganism is
only a lifestyle (yet it may come to being a style of music). But right
now HARDCORE comes first.
I'm sure I contradicted myself many times in the above, but it was
neccessary to show the Two Sides of the story.
Stay Truexxx
xmartinx
SoundViews
Damn, I knew I should've gone to the show. I wonder if Bill Florio had
anything to do with it...
never surrender,
lee sound views
Amy Pursel
The fur coat was fake and the kid indeed was vegan...however...earth
crisis is so called militant but they play shows rather than go to the
animal rights march in DC and that fight was the only actions that i have
ever seen them do. i guess talk is cheap...
James Nofsinger
E.C. is not what I would call militant...they express exstremist views
and that's it they EXPRESS them. I want to know how many people have been
beat down by any of those wussies in E.C.? They talk lots of shit but
they don't seem to back up their words. Another problem I have with E.C...
they are in such great physical condition from living so pure?...they
are about the most weak malnutrition bunch of morons i have ever seen
queen of tarts
all i have to say on this is that i do so love the 314 boys for
having the fucking humour to throw beer and YOGURT (oh sean and justin, i
love you so) at earth crisis. and for the fools to beat up a *vegan*
with a sense of humour wearing a FAKE FUR coat only goes to show their
initial response to everything is violence, which is never very bright,
is it?
selena, crazy moon goddess
Tobias A. Carroll
Actually...as far as I know, Karl from EC was talking to some people
quietly and maturely aftyer the show...I think that the throwing of
non-vegan and non-SXE food on stage was pretty fucked up, especially the
yogrt that hit mike Olender (Endeavor vocalist) in the chest and got all
over his chest...personally, I thionk that if you disagree with a band
like Earth Crisis, you should talk to tyhem or form your own band or do a
zine or something, not piss off a bunch of people and have them hold you
in contempt...but maybe it's just me...
-Toby
Joanie
In article <4r7fgr$1n...@usenetz1.news.prodigy.com>
QVK...@prodigy.com (James Nofsinger) writes:
> I want to know how many people have been
> beat down by any of those wussies in E.C.? They talk lots of shit but
> they don't seem to back up their words. Another problem I have with E.C...
> they are in such great physical condition from living so pure?...they
> are about the most weak malnutrition bunch of morons i have ever seen
I don't agree with most of what Earth Crisis says but also think this
shit about people throwing yogurt, milk and beer at them is completely
ridiculous. Do you want them running around trying to kick the morons'
asses, being as mindless as everyone else?
Joanie
crazy moon goddess
duh. sean mccabe and justin moulder, both of 314 philly fame,
were the culprits of said yogurt and beer tossing. i personally find it
vaguely amusing. and as for the kid in the "fur" coat, it was FAKE fur,
and incidentally, he has been vegan for five years and just happens to
have a sense of humour.
love
selena, crazy moon goddess
Frank Roberts
i think the kid who ran out in a fur coat is an asshole. fur is not a
joke, even if it was fake. as long as people are buying fake fur people
will be buying real fur so he is part of the problem. and that was just a
stupid thing to do and from what i saw he got his ass beat pretty bad, and
i am glad he did. it wrecked earth crisis' set and i wish those kind of
assholes would just stay the fuck home.
ryan
Zaxaroplasteion
Frank Roberts <nj...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>i think the kid who ran out in a fur coat is an asshole. fur is not a
>joke, even if it was fake. as long as people are buying fake fur people
>will be buying real fur so he is part of the problem. and that was just a
>stupid thing to do and from what i saw he got his ass beat pretty bad, and
>i am glad he did. it wrecked earth crisis' set and i wish those kind of
I'd think E.C. would probably've done a pretty good job of that
themselves, just by showing up to play. Yecch. To hell with their
politics, their music is a crime against all life.
Z>
adam london
Frank Roberts <nj...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>i think the kid who ran out in a fur coat is an asshole. fur is not a
>joke, even if it was fake. as long as people are buying fake fur people
>will be buying real fur so he is part of the problem. and that was just a
>stupid thing to do and from what i saw he got his ass beat pretty bad, and
>i am glad he did. it wrecked earth crisis' set and i wish those kind of
>ryan
>
people that buy real fur know that fake fur exists, yet choose not to buy
it. And nobody, NOBODY deserves to get pummeled for wearing fake fur.
HOw would you like it if everyone that had different ideologies than you
decided to beat the piss outta you? Bet you wouldn't like that too much,
would you? Who wrecked Smurf Crisis' set? The kid in the fur or the
fuckheads that beat him up? You tell me.
greg
fuck earth crisis. they deserve to be fucked with. any band who sings
about killing people deserves what they get. personally, i am just going
to wait until earth crisis plays down here so i can sneak in for free,
stand in the back, and yell "shut up and play firestorm".
greg
Troy
While I agree that Earth Crisis shouldn't have beat that kid up, what he
did was stupid. He was the one not respecting them. If he didn't like
what Earth Crisis had to say he shoulda gone home. And if he wanted to
be funny he should try to get on Saturday Night Live. An Earth Crisis
show is about music, and everyone knew how they'd react. The kid did
what he did to get a rise out of them. I think he knew exactly what
would happen, and that's what he wanted.
fuckup
nue...@aol.com (NUEGYN) wrote:
The kid isn't vegan if that fur coat was real. What's with all this
accepting other people's views shit too? I mean if you're vegan how
the fuck can you accept someone killing animals? I don't know. Maybe
it's just me...No, it's not.
- Neil
"Jesus Christ is a reality and so is...that other guy."
- Charlie Manson
"And I put the, put my, knife up over his neck and told him
'now you motherfucker, you.' See what I'm sayin'? So, uh, I
had to get that knife back on him to lock him up, dig?"
- CM
"When I stand on a mountain and say I 'do it' it gets
done. If it don't get done then I'll move on it and that's
the last thing in the world that you want me to do." - CM
SoundViews
I'm just curious why, if they are so "militant", why they would play a
club that serves alcohol?
Adam Hartnett
Wait till ya hear about the Boston show baby!
fuckup
WMurphy837
man, that was some classic stuff. That little display was a rebirth of my
HC pride. We DON"T have to accept everything that they tell us. By the
way, I personally know that our fake fur friend is vegan.
Robw
JU>I would have to say that anyone who wears a fur coat and calls themselves
JU>a vegan is quite the hypocrite. I too was at the show last night and was
JU>amazed at the utter stupidity and heartlessness of those people who threw
JU>things at EC and tried to start a fight with them later in the show. Now
JU>when I read accounts of EC fighting members of the audience at shows, I
JU>will know what kind of idiots they have to deal with and understand that
JU>they are defending themselves. As to the guy in fur...what did he think
JU>would happen? Are people so afraid of what EC have to say that they want
JU>to stop them from saying it? Maybe if you own a slaughterhouse I could
JU>understand.
JU>-Jonny
At middlesex county college, right. That show was pretty good.
Mouthpiece and Floorpunch kicked ass
/x
David Koenig
Damn shame I left early and missed the whole thing. Bands who put
themselves up on a soapbox deserve whatever they get. If you can't take
the heat, get out of the kitchen. By the way, weren't people leaving in
droves after Mouthpiece (then Floorpunch, heh, heh!) were done? Does
anybody really care about Earth crisis anymore? David K./Hardware
ski...@cnj.digex.net
>
> As for the kid in the fur coat, you would have to ask him what he
> expected. Many of these people spend their whole lives for Animal
> Liberation, and running on stage while an "extremely" Vegan band was
> playing was not the smart thing to do.
>
you know what? I'm sick and tired of people thinking earth crisis has been advocating animal rights for "their whole lives." Karl has only been vegan for 5 years,
and when they released Firestorm, he had only been vegan for about 3 years, so EC are really just putting up this big front about being big time animal rights
people when they are just little whiney new jacks from farm country who have their parents buy them harvest burgers. Some people have to worry about their
own survival before they can worry about what food to eat.... very simply they are happy just to have food.
later,
----Dan
> But for some reason I think the kid wanted to get beat up. He would not
> have done something that radical unless he wanted to prove how seriously
> Earth Crisis takes things. But that kid should not have done something
> like that to get his point across, Or maybe he did. Sometimes the only
> way to get a point across is to do something radical. And sometimes I
> agree that you have to be as Milititant as Earth Crisis to get your point
> across about the struggle to save lives.
Not really. Indecision from Brooklyn are sxe vegan and they are far from as millitant as earth crisis, yet they actually get me thinking by listening to them, where
as when I'd listen to Earth Crisis, I just want to wring their elitist little necks.
You have to remember, if you try to shove something down someone's throat, they usually puke on you.
>
> I heard many things during the set after the numerous verbal scuttles and
> the one time when the fur kid got the supreme beatdown. I think that
> something like that was neccesary to sever the tension that surrounded the
> show.
>
> I heard many kids shout: HARDCORE, then VEGAN.
> I heard another say: HARDCORE! VIOLENCE! (but i think he was joking)
>
> I am not Vegan, but I do appreciate what it does for the world and I have
> many friends who are Vegan/Vegetarian. However,We have to determine what
> comes first. Hardcore-is a style of music and a lifestyle. Veganism is
> only a lifestyle (yet it may come to being a style of music). But right
> now HARDCORE comes first.
>
In many people's cases, hardcore changed and maybe even saved their lives. Because of that, I think people owe more allegance to that, so I'd have to agree
with you.
later,
----Dan
ski...@cnj.digex.net
> Frank Roberts <nj...@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> writes:
> i think the kid who ran out in a fur coat is an asshole. fur is not a
> joke, even if it was fake. as long as people are buying fake fur people
> will be buying real fur so he is part of the problem. and that was just a
> stupid thing to do and from what i saw he got his ass beat pretty bad, and
> i am glad he did. it wrecked earth crisis' set and i wish those kind of
> assholes would just stay the fuck home.
> ryan
>
>
>>>>
actually, those types of people are what made punk and hardcore and those types of people will be what keeps it going, so I encourage all of those kinds of
people to go to ALL shows, even if they have conflicting beliefs with me.
later,
---Dan
ski...@cnj.digex.net
> jum...@aol.com (Jumble) writes:
> I would have to say that anyone who wears a fur coat and calls themselves
> -Jonny
>
>>>>
It was a fake fur coat smart guy.
later,
----Dan
Rose Chagnon
you all confuse me
if u hate the band so much why give them your money
don't bother going to the shows and let the kids who like them enjoy the
show.
David Koenig
Excuse me but Earth Crisis weren't the only band playing that day. I was
there to see MOUTHPIECE and sell records. And it did seem that a lot of
people were there to see MOUTHPIECE because many left after they played.
David Koenig
Dan Donahue
ski...@cnj.digex.net wrote:
I was at the Earth Crisis as well. I was standing up against the
stage and I actually got elbowed in the eye(as Karl Buechner threw him
off the stage) by the idiot wearing the fur coat claiming to be vegan.
If this kid is vegan, he has been reading too many PETA magazines. We
live in the USA, not Europe, where wearing a fur coat is considered a
protest. The coat was real, I got hit by it, I would know. Also,
what kind of vegan statement is being made by throwing yogurt around?
Sharon Katz
this slab rox you ugly slob, Vacuum & Ebullition will have some soon if
they don't already so snap it up. if yer not familiar w/ these bands
Dystopia are indescribably original & utilize elements of sludge w/
cathcy totally dischordant walking basslines inbred w/ wicked
futuristic alien effects & manic seething raw as fuk vocals from hell
w/ genius lyrics to match. Scaven are a great black crust band from Oak
Town & also totally fucking shred, incredible live! fuk all these
bullshit new york jockore & wimpy emo bands, get this you chump...
HUMANURE
David Koenig
Controversy!!!! I love it. Don't you people have a sense of humor? Those
guys were just trying to liven up a boring band's set. Get with it. David
Koenig Hardware
Frank Roberts
what the hell? a sense of humor? running onto the stage with a fur coat
just to piss people off is not my idea of fun. that asshole got the
beatdown he deserved for that though. and earth crisis isn't boring. if
you don't like them then fucking leave. why the fuck are people such
assholes and they ruin other people's fun? i like earth crisis and they
don't come to nj too often so i wanna see them play. i don't wanna see
some idiot run onto the stage with a fur coat, although i will admit that
it was funny watching that guy get beat up.
ryan
ShelfLife3
>Dystopia are indescribably original & utilize elements of sludge w/
>cathcy totally dischordant walking basslines inbred w/ wicked
>futuristic alien effects & manic seething raw as fuk vocals from hell
>w/ genius lyrics to match.
I must agree. Dystopia are one of the best of these type of bands. Very
intricate, great buildup, great lyrics. Everyone must check them out. -Max
OutOfStep7
there were many people at fault for what happened and ignorance certainly
was in the air. one of the few intelligent things I saw happen was Karl
screaming "Get the fuck off the guy!" while a bunch of violence inclined
dimwits were beating the shit out of another dimwit in a fur coat. if you
don't like them leave, unless you are mature and human enough to watch
them and then "debate" with them after the show which I did. what's the
sense of not hurting animals if you take pleasure in hurting other people?
violence, in any form is wrong. beating someone for their stupid actions
is lowering yourself to their stupid level.
John (I don't like Earth Crisis)
adam london
Wouldn't it be FUN if every time you did something that others didn't
necessarily agree with, they'd kick the shit outta you? Wouldn't that be
SWELL? The kid in the (fake) fur coat is a fucking VEGAN. Take your
fucked-up, toughguy jock mentality back to the football field and OUTTA my
scene.
Keith.
david eisenberg
right on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frank Roberts
listen, i am not trying to be tough at all. i hate tough guys too, but
when you fuck with people like that, you gotta expect to get beat up. why
would you do this? why would you challenge the beliefs of vegans
especially if you are vegan? people say earth crisis is full of shit and
that guy tested their militant stance, and they proved that they are true
to what they say by beating the piss out of that asshole. if you don't
like earth crisis that is fine, but why don't you fucking leave? and i
don't know what you meant when you called it your scene but that was
pretty stupid.
adam london
This whole fucking argument is absolutely ridiculous. Hardcore has always
been a forum; a way for kids to discuss and debate different issues
without the hindrances of mainstream society. When you say "when you fuck
with people like that, you gotta expect to get beat up," well that makes
me want to scream. Wearing a fake fur is "fucking with somebody?" That
sort of intolerance and stupidity makes these so-called "sensitive, caring
vegans" no better than nazi boneheads that used to fuck up all the
hardcore shows back in the day. That sort of reactionary,
you-fuckin-with-me-i'll-beat-yer-ass attitude has absolutely NO PLACE in
ANY scene that associates itself with hardcore. Fuck Earth Crisis if they
support this moronic violence. Maybe now you have a bit of an idea what
"my scene" is about. Tell me which is more stupid.
adam london
>have to put up with crap like that all the time. People constantly
>question them and put them down. They don't have to play music for us,
>they choose to and we should respect them whether we like them or not.
>The have the right to express themselves at that time because that's what
>they're hired to do. They shouldn't have to deal with some asshole who
>doesn't want to listen to their message. I agree that EC is a little
>militant, and being militant only pushes people to the other side,
>however they have should be allowed to express their opinion. There are
>better ways to express your objections that throwing yogurt and beer on
>the band (were the people that did this vegan?) and running out on stage
>in a fur coat (fake or not, the wearing of fur, whether trying to be
>funny or not, just purpetrates the myth that its okay to do that; it's
>okay to kill animals for your own pleasure, and purposes). And if you
>really don't like it, leave. It's as simple as that. If you don't like
>it, leave.
>
>Troy
>
You're the one who's new to hardcore right? And you're advocating
violence towards those who choose to express themselves differently?
"they shouldn't have to deal with some asshole who doesn't want to deal
wiht their message?" Yes i guess it sucks that the whole fucking hardcore
scene doesn't bow down to the mighty Earth Crisis and kiss their asses and
vow to destroy the carnivores of the world. Take this fucked-up stance
with you when you get tired of hardcore and move on to the next trend,
please. Thanks.
Troy
shouldn't of beaten that kid up. And I don't think that we should
destroy all the carnivores of the world, I never said that. I simply
said that we should listen to what they have to say, and then make a
decision, and what ever our decision is, we should respect their
opinions. You can discuss things with them, and try and get them to
change their opinion, but messing around with their show isn't cool.
Lots of people wanted to see them play, and a few assholes ruined it for
em.
I repeat they shouldn't of beaten that kid up. Violence isn't an answer.
Oh and by the way, about me being a trend jumper, I just wanna say "Fuck
you!" I don't need that shit from some holier-than-thou hardcore god who
feels that anyone trying to discover something new is just a poseur.
Your the type of dicks that keep people from accepting some hardcore
attitudes, and hardcore itself. Sorry for the rant but what you said to
me was totally assholish.
Troy
Troy
Troy
Oops, I meant shouldn't. Not should. Shouldn't, that's what I meant.
I'm sure that I'm going to get posts that I'm an asshole now, because I
condone the beating up of that guy.
Troy
Troy
>violence towards those who choose to express themselves differently?
>"they shouldn't have to deal with some asshole who doesn't want to deal
>wiht their message?" Yes i guess it sucks that the whole fucking hardcore
>scene doesn't bow down to the mighty Earth Crisis and kiss their asses and
>vow to destroy the carnivores of the world. Take this fucked-up stance
>with you when you get tired of hardcore and move on to the next trend,
>please. Thanks.
>
are sorrily mistaken. If I was trend jumping right now based on what's
'cool' in my town I should be sitting here in cowboy boots and tight ass
jeans, and a No Fear shirt tucked in, with the sleeves rolled up a bit.
Also, I wouldn't be in this newsgroup, I'd be in alt.music.Garth_Brooks.
Or I could be into that 'underground' stuff like Green Day or Offspring,
or maybe I could really get hard and listen to Fat Wreck Cords, but that
probably be a little far for my town. That or I could follow MTV and
listen to Hootie and the Blowfish, or maybe Alanis. Oasis and Bush would
be cool too.
I'm going to tell you about my town. It's a small town (about 1900
people) in Saskatchewan, Canada. I'm considered a freak because of the
way I dress and the music I listen to (most of the people in town who've
heard it consider it satanic, and they were hearing like SNFU, I should
let em hear Submission Hold). In this town for people like me there is
my best friend and our little brothers. There is a little contingent of
punks growing that are about five years younger than me, however, most of
em are Fat Wreck Cords kids, and they're fucked up on drugs.
I go into a Regina probably an average of once every two weeks for a
show. The biggest shows we've had here recently have been Lagwagon and
Strung Out. Both of which are heavily attended by jocks there to mosh.
They wreck the whole thing. The best shows are the hardcore shows I
attend (I Spy, and . . .But Alive kicked so much ass). These shows
average probably about fourty people. I've attended shows (Mexican Power
Authority, Bucko, etc.) that had about a dozen people at them. Actually
in the basement (we have shows in these guys basement because they can't
afford a real venue) for MPA there were maybe eight people.
I hope you have a sense of what we go through for a show and some good
music. I'm not trend hopping, I'm hopping away. Thanx for your time.
Troy
P.S. I meant shouldn't of. . .
david eisenberg
Troy <ihd...@harrier.sasknet.sk.ca> wrote:
>david eisenberg <CL...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>is this some kind of joke?????.....earth crisis doesn't have to play music
>>for us?????....well, gee, i'm so glad they have, cause they have changed
>>my life considerably....do you think it's an honor or something that those
>>narrow-minded militant assholes play music for us....give me a
>>break....besides, they're not playing for "us" i think it's more of a
>>money issue....but anyway....why the fuck should we respect them???? just
>>because they play music???? that is by far the dumbest thing i've heard
>>in while....so what if they play music....a lot of fucken people play
>>music....does that mean we should respect them??? what if i raped your
>>mom and kicked the shit out of your dad and tied you up so you had to
>>watch, and then when i was done, i took out a guitar and played a nice
>>little tune for you....would you respect me???? would you be my
>>friend...after all i didn't have to play music for you...i chose
>>to.....right?????
>>
>I was simply saying that Earth Crisis chooses to play, and you can choose
>to listen. If you don't want to listen then fuckin leave, don't fuck
>around with them. It's not an open forum for expression of your beliefs.
> It's a fuckin concert. If you wanna oppose them, either talk to em,
>maybe start a zine and cut them down, or you could start your own band
>(maybe call em Earth Crisis Sucks). Don't use their shows as a place to
>air your grievances with the band. Plus, I didn't say that you should
>respect them cause they play music, I said respect their opinion. I
>disagree withe white supremecissits, but I respect their right to an
>opinion. I guess that's really what I meant, you should respect their
>right to voice an opinion. They have that right as a free thinking human
>being. I guess that really others have the right to publicly air their
>disagreements in an idiotic and disruptive way, however, if this
>infringes on my right to watch a band that I paid to watch play then I
>can air my grievances in whatever manner I wish. You seem like a
>disrespectful person who's really pissed off at the world for some
>reason. You immediatelly called me down, when I was simply putting up a
>post with my opinion. I don't need your crap. It seems to me that
>people like you are the reason that fights start, cause someone jumps to
>a conclusion hastily and then tempers flare and punches start flying.
>
>Troy
>
>P.S. I don't give a shit what others say, Earth Crisis has a message to
>get across. I'm gonna listen. I'll then choose to agree or disagree.
>However, they will still have the right to their opinion whatever my
>decision on their message. I'm not gonna try and take that away from
>them. If I disagree maybe I'll try to get them to see my point of view,
>however, I won't treat them like crap and fuck around with them. You
>can't force other to do what you want (which is one bad part of their
>message. Getting militant doesn't solve problems, it only pushes people
>away). You must change their mind.
>
>"You can rearrange my face, but you can't rearrange my mind!"
> -Propagandhi
>
>
look, i wasn't even at the fucking show, and that is because i think they
suck...i don't know why you thought i was there, but i wasn't...you said
everyone should respect ec cause they play music, and i said that was
fuckin' moronic...yeah, so i imediately "called you down"...it's my choice
to call you down and i have the right to do that, right? so why not
respect that right? isn't that what your preeching anyway...so don't say
i'm being disrespectful because i'm voicing my opinion and my opinion just
happens to be that what you said was the dumbest thing i've heard in a
while....also, if you don't need my crap, than don't take it...i didn't
force you to read this, you chose to....get a clue!!!
david eisenberg
is this some kind of joke?????.....earth crisis doesn't have to play music
for us?????....well, gee, i'm so glad they have, cause they have changed
my life considerably....do you think it's an honor or something that those
narrow-minded militant assholes play music for us....give me a
break....besides, they're not playing for "us" i think it's more of a
money issue....but anyway....why the fuck should we respect them???? just
because they play music???? that is by far the dumbest thing i've heard
in while....so what if they play music....a lot of fucken people play
music....does that mean we should respect them??? what if i raped your
mom and kicked the shit out of your dad and tied you up so you had to
watch, and then when i was done, i took out a guitar and played a nice
little tune for you....would you respect me???? would you be my
friend...after all i didn't have to play music for you...i chose
to.....right?????
>I agree that Earth Crisis should of beaten up that guy, however, they
ski...@cnj.digex.net
The yogurt wasn't thrown by that kid, other smart guy.... it was those kids from philly.... and that was pretty fucking funny.
and why do you think some kid would spend close to a thousand dollars on a fur coat just to piss off earth crisis? PLEASE!!!!
what do you think he borrowed his mom's fur coat. "yeah, mom, I'm gonna go to earth crisis wiht your $800 fur coat to piss them off.... it might get ruined, but I'll be a
scenester so that's okay."
If I punched you in the face and I was wearing a ring, could you tell if the ring was real gold? (that was a joke)
and I don't live in europe, what the hell are you talking about. I was born in JFK hospital in Edison, NJ, less than 20 miles from Middlesex County College, and I currently
reside in MOnroe, NJ. To get to Middlesex CC from my house take 18north to 1north (at the intersection in New Brunswick). Follow 1 north to the light where there is a big,
worn out mack truck sign. Make a right there. Middlesex is down the road. Now that I'm done making my point, I live 20 minutes from middlesex in NJ, not 20,000 miles
away in europe.
later,
----Dan
Tobias A. Carroll
okay....a "money issue"? Come on...this doesn't make any sense to me.
If I was in a band and wanted to rake in money, I wouldn't be on an
ndependent label and playing shows at colleges and VFW halls & stuff...I
would be on Roadrunner or Sony or something like that playing arenas with
Metallica or White Zombie or something. (And that's probably not even a
guarantee of anything...Into Another opened up for White Zombie on a few
dates, and I don't see them buying mansions or anything). I don't think
that Earth Crisis, either in terms of message or musical style, is going
to be making massive amounts of money.
-Toby
PS-that is not a crack on XecX...just an observation. I am simply saying
that I don't think that their music is something that the majority of
American record-buyers are going to go for...but that's probably not a
bad thing.
Troy
david eisenberg <CL...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>is this some kind of joke?????.....earth crisis doesn't have to play music
>for us?????....well, gee, i'm so glad they have, cause they have changed
>my life considerably....do you think it's an honor or something that those
>narrow-minded militant assholes play music for us....give me a
>money issue....but anyway....why the fuck should we respect them???? just
>because they play music???? that is by far the dumbest thing i've heard
>in while....so what if they play music....a lot of fucken people play
>music....does that mean we should respect them??? what if i raped your
>mom and kicked the shit out of your dad and tied you up so you had to
>watch, and then when i was done, i took out a guitar and played a nice
>little tune for you....would you respect me???? would you be my
>friend...after all i didn't have to play music for you...i chose
>to.....right?????
>
Troy
david eisenberg <CL...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>suck...i don't know why you thought i was there, but i wasn't...you said
>everyone should respect ec cause they play music, and i said that was
>fuckin' moronic...yeah, so i imediately "called you down"...it's my choice
>to call you down and i have the right to do that, right? so why not
>respect that right? isn't that what your preeching anyway...so don't say
>i'm being disrespectful because i'm voicing my opinion and my opinion just
>happens to be that what you said was the dumbest thing i've heard in a
>while....also, if you don't need my crap, than don't take it...i didn't
>force you to read this, you chose to....get a clue!!!
>
someone else has an opinion that may contradict those that fit into your
little world. Well, I'm sorry that I'm not just like you. Go start your
own little newsgroup where everyone must agree with you, and if they
don't, you get to kill them or something. Oh no wait, no violence, you
just get to call them down until maybe they cry.
Troy
Chuck Booher
You know, people are always going to be disrespecting you if you get up on stage
and say something of pertinence, but you should deal with it in a non-violent way,
people will respect you more. All the kids out here in so cal who defend EC's right to
say somethin' without being harassed are/were always the same kids who gave Unashamed
crap for talking about christianity. These kids do all kind of stupid things like throw
pennies at them and just plain harass them. Censorship sucks and we should respect what
people are saying or at least their right to asay it regardless if we agree or not. If
Earth Crisis doesn't like getting crap from people, they shouldn't give crap to other
people either. If you don't respect someone elses right to an opinion then why should
they respect yours.
Ricch
The Philadelphia Rebel Alliance
By the way, I'm the one who threw the yogurt. my roomate justin threw
the beer and unplugged the amps. philadelphia kids are crazy. we dont
like something, we fuck it up. oops.
Distribution:
Tobias A. Carroll (tac...@is.nyu.edu) wrote:
: okay....a "money issue"? Come on...this doesn't make any sense to me.
: If I was in a band and wanted to rake in money, I wouldn't be on an
: ndependent label and playing shows at colleges and VFW halls & stuff...I
: would be on Roadrunner or Sony or something like that playing arenas with
: Metallica or White Zombie or something. (And that's probably not even a
: guarantee of anything...Into Another opened up for White Zombie on a few
: dates, and I don't see them buying mansions or anything). I don't think
: that Earth Crisis, either in terms of message or musical style, is going
: to be making massive amounts of money.
: -Toby
: PS-that is not a crack on XecX...just an observation. I am simply saying
: that I don't think that their music is something that the majority of
: American record-buyers are going to go for...but that's probably not a
: bad thing.
: >
: break....besides, they're not playing for "us" i think it's more of a
: > money issue....but anyway....why the fuck should we respect them???? just
: > because they play music???? that is by far the dumbest thing i've heard
: > in while....so what if they play music....a lot of fucken people play
: > music....does that mean we should respect them??? what if i raped your
: > mom and kicked the shit out of your dad and tied you up so you had to
: > watch, and then when i was done, i took out a guitar and played a nice
: > little tune for you....would you respect me???? would you be my
: > friend...after all i didn't have to play music for you...i chose
: > to.....right?????
: >
: > >I agree that Earth Crisis should of beaten up that guy, however, they
: > >have to put up with crap like that all the time. People constantly
: > >question them and put them down. They don't have to play music for us,
: > >
: >
: >
david eisenberg
it makes plenty of sense....i you're in a hardcore band and you want to
make money where do you go???...moo cow?? ...council??? ...inchworm???
..no, you got to new revelation, VICTORY, etc...a label that sells cd's
for $11 7" for $4 and has their releases in every fucking chain store in
america is raking in the dough....got it???
Nj Hooligan
SOON, IT WON'T MATTER WHAT HAPPENED, WHO'S TOUGH, WHO'S VEGAN, WHO LIKES
EARTH CRISIS, WHO DOESN'T, WHO MAKES MONEY, WHO'S LEFTY, WHO'S RIGHTY,
WHO'S MAN....CAUSE WHEN MY BARE ASS ASCENDS UPON THE EARTH, IT WILL WREAK
ALL KINDS OF HAVOC AND PEOPLE WILL DIE AND I WILL BE THE ONLY ONE LEFT
STANDING AMONG THE SHIT HEAP THAT I HAVE MADE!!!!!...oh wait nevermind,
the world(hardcore scene included) is already going to shit, if it ain't
there already..................
David Koenig
Christ, I've been away for a while. Did I start all this nonsense? You
people are still talking about this show? I wonder how long it will go on
after the Chatam show... David Koenig/Hardware
NewXschool
My computer breaks and I miss all the funny shit. I don't know it must be
hard hating people who wear fur and leather. I meen thats like the what
the majority of the population. Hell rasist at least hate only a certian
part of the population, but to just hate all kinds people thats, got to be
hard.
carl NewXschool